Apple Cinema Display Price Cut

[MacRumors]

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Alongside PowerMac upgrades (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2005/04/20050427090437.shtml), Apple has reduced prices on their Cinema Displays.

The new pricing is as follows:

20-inch Cinema $799
23-inch Cinema HD $1499
30-inch Cinema HD $2999

[JRM PowerPod]

I said it first no fair

[aswitcher]

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Alongside PowerMac upgrades (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2005/04/20050427090437.shtml), Apple has reduced prices on their Cinema Displays.

The new pricing is as follows:

20-inch Cinema $799
23-inch Cinema HD $1499
30-inch Cinema HD $2999

Good to see some price drop but its still lagging some others enough to make me think its not enough... Dell 24" for example is mid way cost between the Apple 20 and 23.

Shame 20 isn;t HD as well.

And no 17"...surely we need one of those.

[Bobak]

yes sadly the dell screens are still better value for money, but at least apple have lowered the price a bit, it will stop scaring away buyers.

[uv23]

Did the price on the 23 even drop? The only one I notice is the 20, which used to be $1249CDN and is now $999CDN. Very tempting. I would have also hoped for a drop in the price of the 23 though.

[Spock]

wow people can almost Afford the things now.

[nagromme]

Yes, a 15-17" widescreen, maybe with only a USB hub and not FW to cut cost, would be a nice option for the Mini--as well as PowerBook owners and even some PowerMac people who are spending the max on performance and have to cut corners on display cost.

Anyway, the 30" hasn't dropped in price directly--but it's $450 cheaper now if you get the top PowerMac and don't want the costly 6800 Ultra upgrade. You no longer need that upgrade: the stock GPU (Radeon 9650) will now handle the 30" :)

[Sox]

I'm having kittens. I just bought my 20" on Saturday, from the Towson store. There's no way I can retroactively get some money back. Is there?

[aricher]

mmmm Cinema Display goodness. Good thing I have my IT department prepped to buy a new Dual G5 and ACD in Q2. Looks like Dell has been lowering their prices on displays as well. I know Apple wants to charge a premium but from what I've been reading Dell's quality is comparable. I'll still have my company but the Apple display just on principle.

[Bear]

I'm having kittens. I just bought my 20" on Saturday, from the Towson store. There's no way I can retroactively get some money back. Is there?Go in with your receipt, they should have no issues with adjusting the price. Just do it in the next couple of days or so.

[Hugin777]

Did the price on the 23 even drop?As far as I know the 23" was $1800 before ?

[Bear]

mmmm Cinema Display goodness. Good thing I have my IT department prepped to buy a new Dual G5 and ACD in Q2. Looks like Dell has been lowering their prices on displays as well. I know Apple wants to charge a premium but from what I've been reading Dell's quality is comparable. I'll still have my company but the Apple display just on principle.If you will buying buying AppleCare for the system, getting the display from Apple with the system makes sense as it will be covered by the AppleCare.

[Yes I know eeverybody has an opinion on AppleCare - go find an AppleCare thread if you want to discuss its merits. I did say If.]

[iGary]

The 23-inch is now 1299.00 EDU.

Must. Not. Buy.

*throws wallet into river*

[zelmo]

The 23-inch is now 1299.00 EDU.

Must. Not. Buy.

*throws wallet into river*

*dives into Severn River after wallet hoping there is $1300 cash inside for shiny new 23" ACD*

[classic009]

It is true that the Dell screens are 1/2 the price, but the quality is not comparable. I have a 20" Apple Cinema and a 20" 2005 Widescreen Dell hooked up side by side on my G5. The Cinema has a very smooth image without any pixels or descreening showing. Even though they both feature similiar specs, in reality the Apple is the true winner. When I bought the Dell for 500$ I thought I would try it out, and hopefully sell my Apple and then purchase a 2nd Dell. The 2005fpw Dell is a great substitute and is def only worth its price.

I just use the Dell as a palettes monitor.

[zelmo]

mmmm Cinema Display goodness. Good thing I have my IT department prepped to buy a new Dual G5 and ACD in Q2. Looks like Dell has been lowering their prices on displays as well. I know Apple wants to charge a premium but from what I've been reading Dell's quality is comparable. I'll still have my company but the Apple display just on principle.


aricher, that burger King head freaks me out.

*looks at own avatar and smirks*

[Fredstar]

Dell 20" £389 vs Apple £550 (can get for £500 with discount)
The Dell may be v comparable performance or exactly the same but the Apple display is just so gorgeous compared to the Dell that the extra £150 odd (with edu) is worth it i think, good move Apple.

[macbaseball]

That's awwesome. I know what I'm buying: A dual 2 GHz and a 20 inch display.

[iPodMechanic]

I bought the 20 inch when it was $1299 and I feel ripped the hell off. :mad:

[iGary]

*dives into Severn River after wallet hoping there is $1300 cash inside for shiny new 23" ACD*

This new update is killing me. It's EXACTLY what I wanted, but was hoping to put it off until the end of the year.

3400.00 gets me a Dual 2.0 and a 23-inch display.

Yummy.

[RobDeep]

The 23" is certainly attractive now, but the standard 1 year warranty is still a deal breaker for me, when the rest of the industry offers 3 without having to buy a warranty extension or an entire computer.

[azdude]

Wow... Cinema Display-gasm!!!

Looks like I'll be getting myself that 20" I've always wanted for my Powerbook... at the extremely nice EDU price of $699!!!

[RobDeep]

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[Mokona]

Nooooo! I just bought a 20"- cinema display three weeks ago!

[proglife]

*dives into Severn River after wallet hoping there is $1300 cash inside for shiny new 23" ACD*

I'm not sure a dip in the Severn is worth $1300 bucks right now. It's chilly!

[Lacero]

The 20" ACD is nearly half the price of the 23". Why would anyone want to buy the 23" ACD for just a few pixels more?

[berkleeboy210]

If I didn't already have a Dell 2005fpw 20" Widescreen, I'd be first in line for Apple's 20" - $699 w/ edu discount. can't beat that.

[anthonymoody]

It still completely baffles me why anyone would buy the 23" Apple over the 24" Dell. Besides *still* being much cheaper (plus there are easy to find discounts which makes it - yes - MORE cheaper :D) the Dell is bigger, and of higher quality than the Apple. Color uniformity, brightness, contrast ratio, response time, etc. all are better on the Dell.

My buddy had a 23" Apple HD he brought over to compare to my 24" Dell ($1000 using a coupon code) and he immediately put his 23"er on fleaBay and ordered the Dell. Side by side there was really no comparison.

It may have been true once upon a time that Apple's LCDs were generally superior to what else is out there, but not in the case of the 24" Dell.

TM

[Mr. Anderson]

About time :D

But I'm really happy with my dell and probably still would have bought it instead of the 23" Apple. But that 30" is still a bit pricey....

D

[Kerry Sanders]

It is true that the Dell screens are 1/2 the price, but the quality is not comparable.

Thanks for this post. It helps me in making my decision, especially now that the 20" Cinema display has dropped in price by $200. :)

[840quadra]

The one I want STILL costs double what I paid for my powermac.

I can't justify that cost at this point in time. :(

[cruci]

It is true that the Dell screens are 1/2 the price, but the quality is not comparable. I have a 20" Apple Cinema and a 20" 2005 Widescreen Dell hooked up side by side on my G5. The Cinema has a very smooth image without any pixels or descreening showing. Even though they both feature similiar specs, in reality the Apple is the true winner. When I bought the Dell for 500$ I thought I would try it out, and hopefully sell my Apple and then purchase a 2nd Dell. The 2005fpw Dell is a great substitute and is def only worth its price.

I just use the Dell as a palettes monitor.

They have more than similar specs, they are the same panel - check out Anandtech's review of both. Dell vs Apple 20 inch (http://www.anandtech.com/displays/showdoc.aspx?i=2400)

[Lacero]

The price of the 30" ACD has not moved at all since it's introduction. Or well not since the last price cut last January. I'll wait for the price to drop $1000 before I buy 2 of them. :D

But the 20" looks to be the best deal.

[mpopkin]

Yeah actually you should be able to get the difference back, most stores have a 30 or 14 day price policy that if the price dropped they will give u the difference, i am not sure what the Apple Stores is but I imagine it is something along those lines,
Good Luck


I'm having kittens. I just bought my 20" on Saturday, from the Towson store. There's no way I can retroactively get some money back. Is there?

[R.Youden]

I suppose this aint exactly teh right place but I have just seen a fantastic set up on monitors at a friends house. He had a 20" Apple LCD I think and a second LCD monitor. Now normally people go for two of the same size or two big monitors but he went for a little 12" LCD. He uses it for email, safari and MSN whilst freeing up the LCD for work and other stuff that 'needs' a big screen. It was so damn cool I thin I will do the same when I can get enough money together. I will try and get pics for you.

[StarbucksSam]

Oh my God I am INSANELY excited because the 20" display is only 699 with the education discount. Now my master plan for August.

PowerBook G4 w/ RAM Upgrade (12" 1.5, 768) = $1,467
Apple Cinema Display 20" = $699

Total = $2166

Minus $1500 (parental grant for new computer in August)
Minus $350 (approx value of my iMac around August)

= $316 What I end up paying.

Oh my God I can afford this.

[mpopkin]

you are a fool if you actually think that the Dell is better, Dell's panels or LCD parts are made by 2 or 3 different manufactures while Apple gets only the best from Samsung, while the 24" dell is a better value(Apple has never had the better value anything) the color saturation, quality and color accuracy on the 20, 23, or 30 Apple displays is better by a margin of up 200% over the dell 24", i use the 23 inch and some friends of mine have the 24" and 20 inch from dell and it is a good monitor, low price, but in terms of color accuracy and quality, i wouldnot trade my monitor for a brand new bmw.or the dell for that matter. One problem that has been noted and seems to be a major problem with Apple LCD's is the calibration of the monitors upon recieving them and software recalibration does not always work that well, i used hardware recalibration(eye-one display recalibrator) and it works great, i use my computer for Final Cut and Adobe, both applications which really take advantage of the color accuracy, what i love now is the fact that they lowered the price on the monitors(does not help me though, but i may buy a 30) and that is a good factor, couple the fact that they look good, are stable and reliable with fast response times and good quality, i would buy the apple display over the dell, Samsung makes the best panels and that is not in dispute.


It still completely baffles me why anyone would buy the 23" Apple over the 24" Dell. Besides *still* being much cheaper (plus there are easy to find discounts which makes it - yes - MORE cheaper :D) the Dell is bigger, and of higher quality than the Apple. Color uniformity, brightness, contrast ratio, response time, etc. all are better on the Dell.

My buddy had a 23" Apple HD he brought over to compare to my 24" Dell ($1000 using a coupon code) and he immediately put his 23"er on fleaBay and ordered the Dell. Side by side there was really no comparison.

It may have been true once upon a time that Apple's LCDs were generally superior to what else is out there, but not in the case of the 24" Dell.

TM

[Machead III]

Hates to drag this off topic, but this being the second product announcement today, is it unlikely we will see iMacs very soon?

[nomore]

you are a fool if you actually think that the Dell is better, Dell's panels or LCD parts are made by 2 or 3 different manufactures while Apple gets only the best from Samsung, while the 24" dell is a better value(Apple has never had the better value anything) the color saturation, quality and color accuracy on the 20, 23, or 30 Apple displays is better by a margin of up 200% over the dell 24", i use the 23 inch and some friends of mine have the 24" and 20 inch from dell and it is a good monitor, low price, but in terms of color accuracy and quality, i wouldnot trade my monitor for a brand new bmw.or the dell for that matter. One problem that has been noted and seems to be a major problem with Apple LCD's is the calibration of the monitors upon recieving them and software recalibration does not always work that well, i used hardware recalibration(eye-one display recalibrator) and it works great, i use my computer for Final Cut and Adobe, both applications which really take advantage of the color accuracy, what i love now is the fact that they lowered the price on the monitors(does not help me though, but i may buy a 30) and that is a good factor, couple the fact that they look good, are stable and reliable with fast response times and good quality, i would buy the apple display over the dell, Samsung makes the best panels and that is not in dispute.

I agree. I have the older 20" Apple Cinema Display at home. I use a 19" TFT at work which has very similar 'specifications' on paper, but the Apple display is vastly superior. Especially with dark areas of images. The Apple display has very smooth graduation of colour and great contrast. The TFT at work is very poor at displaying dark images.

In a magazine recently, there was a roundup of large screen TFTs. The Dell's were not that impressive next to the Apple screen according to the review... all despite what the specs say.

[Mokona]

The 20" ACD is nearly half the price of the 23". Why would anyone want to buy the 23" ACD for just a few pixels more?


Lets do the math shall we? If we look at the number of pixels the 20" acd has a resolution of 1680x1050 = 1,764,000 pixels. The 23" has a resolution of 1920x1200 = 2,304,000

So. By shelling out an extra 87.6% you gain 30,61% screen real estate or 540,000 pixels. Not that bad actually. The marginal efficiency of that screen estate is definately worth it if you're working with graphics.

[Lacero]

I bought the 20 inch when it was $1299 and I feel ripped the hell off. :mad:
You didn't feel that way when you bought it, so your point?

[fixyourthinking]

Dell 20" £389 vs Apple £550 (can get for £500 with discount)
The Dell may be v comparable performance or exactly the same but the Apple display is just so gorgeous compared to the Dell that the extra £150 odd (with edu) is worth it i think, good move Apple.


Dell's displays are OEM from Sharp

Apple displays are OEM from Samsung and Philips LG

If you want a compareable (picture wise) display with no usb or firewire hub but a rotating display (that doesn't work in OSX) - get a Samsung.

If my customers don't want an Apple Display or CRT - I recommend Samsung displays the most.

[cruci]

you are a fool if you actually think that the Dell is better, Dell's panels or LCD parts are made by 2 or 3 different manufactures while Apple gets only the best from Samsung,

Do some research, the Dell and Apple 20" LCDs are using the exact same screen. They have different backlights, but the panel itself is exactly the same, from the same factory - the LG.Philips LCD LM201W01.

I make no claims as to which is better, just thought there were some facts that needed clearing up...

[ImAlwaysRight]

It is true that the Dell screens are 1/2 the price, but the quality is not comparable.I have a Dell 19" LCD, and it has so many more features than the Apple monitors. The Dell pivots 90 degrees for portrait mode (XLR8YOURMAC.com reported OS 10.4 is to support portrait mode) , and it has a 4-port USB 2.0 hub. Not to mention the Dell can be raised or lowered to different heights, all things the Apple displays cannot do (Apple has 2-port USB hub, I believe).

As for monitor comparisons, my PowerBook G4 Al 15" screen is not nearly as bright as my Dell screen hooked up to my Power Mac. Side-by-side, the Dell 19" monitor looks a lot better than my PowerBook screen. Yet even my Powerbook screen looks nice by itself and serves me well.

So, yes, even though the Apple 20" may look better than the Dell 20" side-by-side, for twice as much money, it just isn't worth it, IMHO. I'd go for the Dell monitor any day, especially considering the extra features. After coupons and such, I think you can get the Dell 20" for between $350-375.

Apple used to competitive with their displays when they dropped their prices. When they first dropped their 17" LCD from $1k to $600, that was as cheap as any other player in town, not to mention a better LCD. But now Apple has dropped their prices maybe to match Dell's list price, but ANY consumer (not just EDU) can get Dells at half off. Most consumers can't save but Amazon's $5 off an Apple LCD. Apple LCDs just are not a good value, and people will project that over to Apple Power Macs as well, shipping with 2x256MB RAM and a Radeon 9600 for a $2/2.5/3K computer.

[Lancetx]

They have more than similar specs, they are the same panel - check out Anandtech's review of both. Dell vs Apple 20 inch (http://www.anandtech.com/displays/showdoc.aspx?i=2400)

Thanks for the link. I can verify that the Dell 2005FPW 20" widescreen flat panel is of excellent quality. I picked up one on sale from them last week for only $384 and it arrived with no dead pixels whatsoever and their service was excellent. As much as I like Apple, I also have to give Dell full props on their displays too.

[Fender]

Crap! They didn't lower the 30" price in Canada. The one I want gets no price cut... how typical. I'd get two 23" ACDs for the same price as 30" but with all the color problems that isn't really an option.

[Spectrum]

So how much did they previously cost? Did they all drop in price or not?

[ZildjianKX]

These monitors are still way too pricey...

20" Dell widescreen is about $380 now with coupons.
24" Dell LCD is about $850 with coupons.

About half the price in both cases.

As someone else mentioned, the 20" Dell and Apple displays both use the same panel, with the Dell having more inputs and picture in picture.

The 24" Dell LCD has a better pixel response time and contrast, not to mention component, composite, S-video and VGA inputs compared to the Apple 23".

Please don't be blinded by the Apple logo people... just because it's Apple doesn't always mean it's better... but it does mean it's overpriced sometimes.

[JackSYi]

Ok, I cannot really decide now; I was planning on the 20" for sure, but now that the 23" is cheaper, I am not too sure. While the 20" is like half the price, the 23" is 1080i HD. What would you guys recommend, for use with my 15" PowerBook; I am also buying with my student discount, which would make the prices $699, and $1299. Is the 23" worth it?

Oh, and while the Dell moniters are great deals and all; I, being a hardcore Apple fan, refuse to put my PowerBook next to anything other than an Apple Cinema Display. Thanks.

[dongmin]

My main complaint with the Apple monitors is that they have ONLY ONE INPUT for video source. The Dell beats out Apple handily in this department with the VGA, DVI, s-video, and composite all included.

For a $1499 monitor, you should be able to hook up more than one computer (or TiVo, X-Box, etc.). Personally, that's the dealbreaker for me.

[patseguin]

The 23" is certainly attractive now, but the standard 1 year warranty is still a deal breaker for me, when the rest of the industry offers 3 without having to buy a warranty extension or an entire computer.

The 23" is a piece of crap, stay FAR away from it. There are literally hundereds of posts on it in the Apple support forums. There are uneven backlighting and pink cast issues. Seemingly normal 23" displays get worse over time and develop the problems. I bought one and returned it in with an hour. Everything white looked pink and everything grey look purple. There are few reports that recent builds have solved the pink cast but there are still problems with uneven backlighting. The 20" and 30" have none of these problems.

[swissmann]

yes sadly the dell screens are still better value for money, but at least apple have lowered the price a bit, it will stop scaring away buyers.

I bought one of those Dell monitors and am quite impressed with it. I got a 20" model for under $500. I still think the Apple monitors are too much. Plus I really like how I can switch between DVI, S-Video, and Composite video on my Dell. Hate to say I bought a Dell but it is a good monitor.

[SiliconAddict]

Looks OK. They still are a tad overpriced. The 20" is still $300 and change more expensive then Dell's 20" And the 23" is $500 more expensive then Dell's 24"

*shrugs* I'm going to wait until I can double up on a Dell coupon Deal and get the 24" for around $800 which is a steal.

[ZildjianKX]

Looks OK. They still are a tad overpriced. The 20" is still $300 and change more expensive then Dell's 20" And the 23" is $500 more expensive then Dell's 24"

*shrugs* I'm going to wait until I can double up on a Dell coupon Deal and get the 24" for around $800 which is a steal.

I agree, I'm buying the Dell as soon as it drops below $800. The reviews on the monitor have been amazing, and it seems to have a super low dead pixel rate. The fact that it has component inputs is just awesome.

[Object-X]

mmmm Cinema Display goodness. Good thing I have my IT department prepped to buy a new Dual G5 and ACD in Q2. Looks like Dell has been lowering their prices on displays as well. I know Apple wants to charge a premium but from what I've been reading Dell's quality is comparable. I'll still have my company but the Apple display just on principle.

The power of Dell. At work I use the 20" wide Dell monitor with my Powermac and it's image quality is actually better than my 20" Apple Cinema (1Gen). It's enclosure is not as nice, but for the price I think it's worth it. Another nice thing about the Dell is that you can plug more than one computer into it since it has DVI and VGA; so I can have my Mac on one and my FreeBSD on the other. :) Add a USB switch and there you go.

I figured this was going to happen when they didn't offer a 17", too bad these prices weren't offered to begin with.

[jobberwacky]

I have a Dell 19" LCD, and it has so many more features than the Apple monitors. The Dell pivots 90 degrees for portrait mode (XLR8YOURMAC.com reported OS 10.4 is to support portrait mode)
I tried the portrait mode as a default at work for two days (connected to an XP machine). My eyes got sore. After switching back on day 3 things were ok again. That obviously wasn't much of a decent experimental setting, but I'm pretty sure the effect was due to the rotated screen. My guess is that pixel layout is optimized for the standard landscape setting.

I haven't googled for any tests, but if anyone has any evidence at hand supporting my assumption or not, please do post it.

Andreas

[octoberdeath]

That's awwesome. I know what I'm buying: A dual 2 GHz and a 20 inch display.


With my Edu discount or Student Developer Discount I will be getting exactly that; 2GHz Power Mac with 20" screen!!! But I have to wait until the end of June so I can save up enough money!

[virividox]

its still out of reach...shouldnt have taken that vacatioN!!!

[shawnce]

The 23" is a piece of crap, stay FAR away from it.
My Apple 23" display has been working perfectly (had since about 1 month after initial release IIRC) and looks darn good (even lighting, etc.). It looks a lot better, cleaner, and smaller packaging then the 20" HP LCD that it replaced (cannot recall model now).

I have it attached to my HP laptop doc. The screen is better then the two prior generation 23" Apple displays I have attached to my PowerMac G5.

[dornoforpyros]

whoo nice price drop on the 20" I must say. The $1200+ canadian it was b4 was a bit much to swallow. But $999 is a bit closer to a realistic purchase in the future...assuming I get this job I'm interviewing for today :D

[GilGrissom]

This news got me excited again as I am thinking about getting one, 20" probably. But this Dell you guys mention sounds good too!!...I may take a look!!

But these displays just look fantastic!!! Flush and simple. Many displays have USB and firewire hub in them?!

Is it possible for the 20" to become HD??...or is the pixel rate or ratio all wrong or sumit??!! You cleverer people out there are gonna call me stupid over that question and prove me all wrong!!

[larryfi]

Nooooo! I just bought a 20"- cinema display three weeks ago!

Hee-hee - me too! :rolleyes: Well, six weeks ago, and I did manage to get it for £600 instead of £699, so the new £550 price point doesn't sting too much...

Stings a bit, though... half way to an iSight... :o

[1macker1]

The 20" is already HD. If you want to do 720p. Even more..the 17" iMacs are HD.
This news got me excited again as I am thinking about getting one, 20" probably. But this Dell you guys mention sounds good too!!...I may take a look!!

But these displays just look fantastic!!! Flush and simple. Many displays have USB and firewire hub in them?!

Is it possible for the 20" to become HD??...or is the pixel rate or ratio all wrong or sumit??!! You cleverer people out there are gonna call me stupid over that question and prove me all wrong!!

[larryfi]

Is it possible for the 20" to become HD??...or is the pixel rate or ratio all wrong or sumit??!! You cleverer people out there are gonna call me stupid over that question and prove me all wrong!!

There's no way you can make a 20" Cinema Display become HD - it's lacking about 50px on the horizontal, so you'd just lose them. Having said that, don't let it put you off getting one - the picture quality is just amazing. I'm just a little miffed I bought mine 6 weeks ago, way before this price drop! :rolleyes:

[ipacmm]

Nice price cuts, I wish they dropped the price some on the 30", because im thinking about buying that one for myself and giving my dad my 23". but i might just buy him another 23".

[1macker1]

The 720p video resolution is 1280 X 720 pixels, which gives 921,600 total pixels and the 1080i video resolution is 1920 X 1080, which gives a whopping 2,073,000 pixels.
There's no way you can make a 20" Cinema Display become HD - it's lacking about 50px on the horizontal, so you'd just lose them. Having said that, don't let it put you off getting one - the picture quality is just amazing. I'm just a little miffed I bought mine 6 weeks ago, way before this price drop! :rolleyes:

[QCassidy352]

I bought the 20 inch when it was $1299 and I feel ripped the hell off. :mad:

I also bought it at $1299. I've been enjoying it for a long time now (8 months?) and I'm glad that I didn't wait all this time to buy. You never know what updates or price cuts are coming, and you have to buy at some point. Were you happy with your display when you got it? Well, it's not like this price cut did anything to either what you have or what you paid...

[BwanaZulia]

It has been hell (Dell) deciding between four options.

1) 30" Apple LCD (probably refurbed)
2) 23" Apple LCD (new)
3) 24" Dell

Or... crazy...

4) 2 x 24" Dell

I couldn't do the 30", because when I measure the spot in my desk, it would just not fit so at that point it was between the Dell and Apple.

While the features, size and price are all winners on the Dell, I just don't trust them.

The Apple price drop, combined with my corp discount made the 23" down around $1300 which was worth it for me for Apple look and feel, Firewire ports, one cord and Apple Quality. Since I bought it with a G5 and Apple Care it is covered for the 3 years (plus more with an Amex Card).

I will probably wait a year or two and throw on a second 23" used or refurbed.

BZ

[Rower_CPU]

http://anandtech.com/displays/showdoc.aspx?i=2400

This article is a great breakdown on the tech inside each display and how each performs in real world tests. With the price drop on the Dell, I think I'm going to snatch one up.

[ZLurker]

Oh my God I am INSANELY excited because the 20" display is only 699 with the education discount. Now my master plan for August.

PowerBook G4 w/ RAM Upgrade (12" 1.5, 768) = $1,467
Apple Cinema Display 20" = $699

Total = $2166

Minus $1500 (parental grant for new computer in August)
Minus $350 (approx value of my iMac around August)

= $316 What I end up paying.

Oh my God I can afford this.
And if you wait till september i think you will be able to pick up the next generation PowerBook!
Odds are they will be introduced at WWDC in june or in september :)
I am thinking in the same direction, allthough i would like a 15"PB.
If they introduce new gen PB during this summer it will be a PB plus 20" Display, otherwise ill keep my iBook and by a PM 20" display.

[JGowan]

I bought the 20 inch when it was $1299 and I feel ripped the hell off. :mad:Thems the ways it be, brother. Imagine when the 23" HD first came out at $3499 and then in a single day came down to $1999. What about those people who bought at the high price.

The only way Apple is able to sell the 20" now for $799 is because it has made enough money to justify the reduction. Competition plays a part. Lack of sales (perhaps) plays a part.

People on the fence about a whole new system will most likely jump on down from there now with new specs on the G5 and these price reductions.

Even the monster 30" will eventually come down to a more reasonable level -- those that bought at $3299 will just have to deal with it. They were not "ripped the hell off". No one put a gun to their head. They bought a product that they felt was a fair price at the time. And it was. It is one of the best displays on the market (if not the best).

Feel good about being a first adopter and knowing you've enjoyed your monitor longer than most people getting 20" displays now.

As my mother used to say:

:mad:

"Get glad in the same pants you got mad in"

:)

[JGowan]

The 23" is a piece of crap, stay FAR away from it. There are literally hundereds of posts on it in the Apple support forums. There are uneven backlighting and pink cast issues. Seemingly normal 23" displays get worse over time and develop the problems. I bought one and returned it in with an hour. Everything white looked pink and everything grey look purple. There are few reports that recent builds have solved the pink cast but there are still problems with uneven backlighting. The 20" and 30" have none of these problems.Where are some links to the forums? I just checked the first page of the forms and saw nothing indicating such a response. I've owned the 22", the old 23" and now the new 23" and it is by far the best monitor I've had. There is nothing wrong with it in any way. Just a few links would ease my mind about what you're saying.

[whenpaulsparks]

i dont know why everyone is complaining about the 20" "not being HD". 720p, which is higher percieved quality than 1080i (and 1080p isnt fully supported yet) can be edited on even the 20", actually even the old 17" 4:3. heck, my powerbook g4 15" at 1280x854 can view 720p HD video with pixels to spare if it wanted to (but i dont have any HD content). 1080p is another story, but chances are that if you're needing to edit 1080i or 1080p content and 720p isnt enough for you, and in that situation, you can probably afford a $5000 HD camera to shoot 1080 content with, and a $3000 powermac g5, then you can probably afford a $1500 23" or two or get a dell. stop complaining. the 20" is a great monitor, and apple isnt going to change the DPI, when 1080i on a 20" monitor wouldn't look that great anyways. sorry, had to rant.

but this is great news about the price drops. the 20" is becoming more and more of a reality for me to afford. and i'd be more than happy with 1680x1050 pixels.

[Eevee]

The 23-inch is now 1299.00 EDU.

Must. Not. Buy.

*throws wallet into river*

How much was it before the price drop EDU? $1499? Just curious if the price dropped by $100 or $200.

Must.Buy.Now. Aww................

[MacSA]

Here in the UK the price of Apples 20" display is now the same price as Dells 20" widescreen.......now there's no reason for anyone in the UK to buy a Dell :D :D

[TheAnswer]

How much was it before the price drop EDU? $1499? Just curious if the price dropped by $100 or $200.

Must.Buy.Now. Aww................

yesterday, the 23" was $1599 edu I believe.

[GilGrissom]

i dont know why everyone is complaining about the 20" "not being HD". 720p, which is higher percieved quality than 1080i (and 1080p isnt fully supported yet) can be edited on even the 20", actually even the old 17" 4:3. heck, my powerbook g4 15" at 1280x854 can view 720p HD video with pixels to spare if it wanted to (but i dont have any HD content). 1080p is another story, but chances are that if you're needing to edit 1080i or 1080p content and 720p isnt enough for you, and in that situation, you can probably afford a $5000 HD camera to shoot 1080 content with, and a $3000 powermac g5, then you can probably afford a $1500 23" or two or get a dell. stop complaining. the 20" is a great monitor, and apple isnt going to change the DPI, when 1080i on a 20" monitor wouldn't look that great anyways. sorry, had to rant.

but this is great news about the price drops. the 20" is becoming more and more of a reality for me to afford. and i'd be more than happy with 1680x1050 pixels.

Err sorry, I wasn't complaining about the 20" not being HD!! I was just simply asking if people thought it would ever happen and explain to me the technicals behind it!! Which people have! (Thumbs up guys!! :D ) Im actually wanting a screen so no convincing needs to be done on me!! I won't use HD anyway and dont mind that it isnt, just a curious question!
Im still torn between the Apple 20" and the Dell one, mmm, want Apple, but the Dell seems more logical!! Do I follow my heart or my head?!! Also, do people think the 23" would be worth the extra dosh for the extra vrooom?!!
(Linking to future 12" PB here for home office (ie: bedroom!) desk use!!)
But ye, great news on the price drops!!..the previous price drops first got me thinking about buying one, and with another one things are looking good tho!! Want a TV tho aswell, cant have TV and screen (space and money!!) hence why the dell lcd tvs are looking good and cheap!....Gutted!! if only I cud find a scart to DVI adapter to plug my digital set top box into the display!!!! :p
Ta!!

[JGowan]

The price of the 30" ACD has not moved at all since it's introduction.Not true. It originally was $3299 and has dropped $300 since then.

Something sticking in my craw is an item everyone has conveniently overlooked as they continue to piss and moan about price/value of the new G5 PowerMacs that came out today. The top of the line now comes with the video card needed to support one 30" display, essentially putting $599 back into your wallet (unless you need two 30" displays.)

[GilGrissom]

Not true. It originally was $3299 and has dropped $300 since then.

Something sticking in my craw is an item everyone has conveniently overlooked as they continue to piss and moan about price/value of the new G5 PowerMacs that came out today. The top of the line now comes with the video card needed to support two 30" displays, essentially $599 back into your wallet.

Ye I noticed that too!! Ye I know the main specs cudve been updated more, but its these little things that do help and help make Apple the Apple we love. I truely hope tho that they do release something bigger and cheaper soon, I'm getting worried to say the least!

[Dahl]

I'm just glad prices are going down. :)
(Apple, please make that happen more often)

btw. I have also read poor Apple 23 inch reviews, but maybe the newer models are better.

[Freg3000]

Not true. It originally was $3299 and has dropped $300 since then.

Something sticking in my craw is an item everyone has conveniently overlooked as they continue to piss and moan about price/value of the new G5 PowerMacs that came out today. The top of the line now comes with the video card needed to support two 30" displays, essentially $599 back into your wallet.

Since you didn't take the time to fully quote him, I will:

The price of the 30" ACD has not moved at all since it's introduction. Or well not since the last price cut last January. I'll wait for the price to drop $1000 before I buy 2 of them. :D

But the 20" looks to be the best deal.

[pieshopUK]

Got mine 3 weeks ago too, but paid the full £699. How'd you get it for £600.

I'm a bit gutted.


Hee-hee - me too! :rolleyes: Well, six weeks ago, and I did manage to get it for £600 instead of £699, so the new £550 price point doesn't sting too much...

Stings a bit, though... half way to an iSight... :o

[~Shard~]

Nice to see prices going down - now people can actually start affording these things! I won't be needing a new monitor until next year though, so hopefully by then the 30" is about $1000... :eek: ;)

[rockthecasbah]

my liquid video LCD monitor is over a year old, and is already breaking. It randomly tints windows blue and goes back to normal after about 5 seconds. I can't afford a new monitor though, let alone a cinema display :( . I envy those of you who can and or have already purchased Apple's lovely monitor.

[mac512pbg4]

Maybe I'm not seeing it, but I don't see any note in Dell tech specs that 24" LCD is HD capable.

Wouldn't that make the price difference reasonable?

I need to know because I want to use Eye TV HD recorder.

Anybody out there that can educate me on the issue?

Thanks.

[shawnce]

my liquid video LCD monitor is over a year old, and is already breaking. It randomly tints windows blue and goes back to normal after about 5 seconds. I can't afford a new monitor though, let alone a cinema display :( . I envy those of you who can and or have already purchased Apple's lovely monitor.

Are you sure your video cables are well connected, pins aren't dirty, etc.?
It could also be the video adapter.

I often find folks thinking the LCD is bad when instead it is something wrong with the cable or connection.

[rockthecasbah]

Are you sure your video cables are well connected, pins aren't dirty, etc.?
It could also be the video adapter.

I often find folks thinking the LCD is bad when instead it is something wrong with the cable or connection.
Thanks for the tip, I tried fiddling with the cables, but there is a possibility its not the monitor and could be caused by that since I only tried for about a second...haha :) . Either way, it rarely happens, and im just gonna suck it up for 3 years until i get my PB for college :) .. Hopefully it doesn't die by then if my LCD is funked up...

[AppleFoussa]

Nooooo! I just bought a 20"- cinema display three weeks ago!

Same here :mad:

[AppleFoussa]

Nooooo! I just bought a 20"- cinema display three weeks ago!
I like how the iBooks come with 512 of ram. I know this is a forum for displays but whatever. It's about time they put everything to 512. next maybe the Mac Mini...

[Rower_CPU]

20" Dell widescreen is about $380 now with coupons.

Can you add coupons to the already discounted price of $486? I've tried a couple already and nothing has taken.

If I can get that display for $380 I'm getting one ASAP.

[borgobello]

http://www.intel.com/personal/desktop/dualcore/index.htm?iid=HPAGE+up_feat_05ww17&

:confused: :( :mad:

[SiliconAddict]

http://anandtech.com/displays/showdoc.aspx?i=2400

This article is a great breakdown on the tech inside each display and how each performs in real world tests. With the price drop on the Dell, I think I'm going to snatch one up.


Honestly I would stay the hell away from the 2005FPW. I went through three replacements. It breaks down as such.

Display one: Flawless display. No bad pix. The backlight was horrid. Bottom right of the screen the bleed was as big as my fist. (I have an average size fist.) Along with a bleed in the upper right and in the dead center. Playing a dark movie with the lights out it looks like the Milkyway on the screen. But when its a normal display displaying your typical desktop its the most beautiful display I've ever seen.

Display Two: Worse backlight then the first. 6 dead pix on screen.

Display Three: Nearly flawless backlight. 12 dead pix in the center of the screen. At that point I said screw it and shipped everything back to Dell and I’m still waiting on the refund from the final screen.

The 2005FPW is an OK display unless you are picky like I am. All I know is going from a 20.1" flat panel back to my 17" CRT is painful to say the least. I miss my baby. But frankly whatever my next display is going to be its got to last me until OLED's become mainstream which means at least another 2-3 years minimum.


PS- Portrait rocks. Let me find me previous pic… http://home.comcast.net/~jonnormand/Portrait.jpg
The picture doesn’t do it justice. Someone was complaining about possible stress on the eyes. Check the brightness and contrast settings. Dell's 2005 has almost twice the contrast ratio of Apple's and the 2405 is bright enough to burn out your retinas at 1000:1 ratio. :eek: OK so maybe not burn out but definitely you need your sunglasses if you don’t do some tweaking to the monitor settings.

[savar]

yes sadly the dell screens are still better value for money, but at least apple have lowered the price a bit, it will stop scaring away buyers.

I'm just going to end up getting a Dell and putting an Apple sticker on it...I thought maybe the price drops would be competitive this time. Alas...

[JGowan]

Since you didn't take the time to fully quote him, I will:Fine... but his second sentence completely contradicts his first. He said that the price hadn't moved since the introduction of the product. WRONG. Why he bothered posting is a mystery to me. At least my post was informative, Frog3000.

Besides, he didn't bold that second sentence. You did. If he had, I might've just skipped it, but I had already hit the Reply button before even reading 2nd sentence. I continued to reply anyway for the benefit of the skimmers who problem would've missed his 2nd sentence, too.

[wdlove]

Price drops are always a good thing. The 30" certainly looks very appealing.

After reading the prior post, I just had to go back to apple.com. Because I thought that I had misread the information. The higher priced card is still required.

$2,999.00

Estimated Ship: Same business day
Free Shipping
30-inch (29.7-inch viewable)
2560 x 1600 optimal resolution
16.7 million colors
DVI Display Connector
2 port USB 2.0 Hub
2 FireWire 400 ports

VESA mount compatible

Requires NVIDIA GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL Card

[Freg3000]

Fine... but his second sentence completely contradicts his first. He said that the price hadn't moved since the introduction of the product. WRONG. Why he bothered posting is a mystery to me. At least my post was informative, Frog3000.

Besides, he didn't bold that second sentence. I had already hit the Reply button before even reading 2nd sentence. I continued to reply anyway for the benefit of the skimmers.

I typed a whole response to this about how replying for the benefit of skimmers is foolish and seems like a cover for jumping the gun, yet I deleted it all, as there really is no purpose in continuing this discussion in this thread.

If you have anything else to say please PM me.

As for the displays themselves, I've ordered a 20" display for my dad as an early Father's Day present. After seeing how it is I'll probably end up with one myself. :)

[Zigster]

Dell is spanking everyone in LCD monitors right now, Apple included. A 24" jaw dropper for less than 900 bucks?

I think the pm upgrades were so mild it still makes sense to buy a used one.

[sinisterdesign]

[crogety old man voice]
back when i bought my Cinema Display, it cost 4,000 smackeroos. you kids don't know how good you have it with your low cost, high def, aluminum enclosed gadgetry! now GET OFF MY LAWN!!
[/crogety old man voice]

thank god i had my employee discount (-$1k right there) and the dot.com i was heading to work for picked up the rest. i may actually cry when that monitor dies. i shudder at the thought of shelling out that kind of money from my own pocket b/c i KNOW i'll want the 30" by then...

[GilGrissom]

I like how the iBooks come with 512 of ram. I know this is a forum for displays but whatever. It's about time they put everything to 512. next maybe the Mac Mini...

The iBooks come with 512Mb RAM?? :confused: Where'd you find this??!! Do tell!!!!! :p :rolleyes: ;)

I do think Apple are relying too much on their superb 30" model. Anyone else no of anyone else who sells one??...Even Dell beaten on this one?? (***stands back and waits for the onslaught of pro Dell posters with more information than he!!!***) By making something so spectacular the price tag is somewhat justified, (although lowering it is an eternal consumer hope!!) although the others are still a bit out. Getting closer mind you, but as a lot of you have pointed out the Dells are doing pretty darn good themselves and not doing Apple any favours!

[patseguin]

Where are some links to the forums? I just checked the first page of the forms and saw nothing indicating such a response. I've owned the 22", the old 23" and now the new 23" and it is by far the best monitor I've had. There is nothing wrong with it in any way. Just a few links would ease my mind about what you're saying.

http://discussions.info.apple.com/webx?14@424.A6Swa4vdZan.0@.68992154

[Rower_CPU]

Honestly I would stay the hell away from the 2005FPW. I went through three replacements. It breaks down as such.
<chomp>

How recently was this? The AnandTech review alluded to some early QC issues but they seemed to think the current batch was A-OK.

I'm willing to take a shot on one, even if I have to do one return to get a good one. I'm used to dealing with Dell. ;)

[Bear]

Price drops are always a good thing. The 30" certainly looks very appealing.

After reading the prior post, I just had to go back to apple.com. Because I thought that I had misread the information. The higher priced card is still required.Actually the 6850 can also drive one 30" Display (and one regular display). They just forgot to update the information on the display page.

[DavidCar]

Actually the 6850 can also drive one 30" Display (and one regular display). They just forgot to update the information on the display page.

an ATI 9650 can drive a 30" display, according to a press release today. I believe it adds only $50 above the standard card in a G5 at the Apple store. I'm trying to figure out if it can do Core Image, as it is not among the listed cards, or is it a version of a 9600 XT which is listed?

http://apps.ati.com/ir/PressReleaseText.asp?compid=105421&releaseID=702019

[cruci]

Maybe I'm not seeing it, but I don't see any note in Dell tech specs that 24" LCD is HD capable.

Wouldn't that make the price difference reasonable?

I need to know because I want to use Eye TV HD recorder.

Anybody out there that can educate me on the issue?

Thanks.

Any screen that can do high enough res can do HD right? so you need at least Xx1080 to do 1080I/p

I'm pretty sure the 24" does that

[puuukeey]

ok so whats the difference between an HD TV and a monitor? whats the deal with all this....

[gugy]

Price drops are always a good thing. The 30" certainly looks very appealing.

After reading the prior post, I just had to go back to apple.com. Because I thought that I had misread the information. The higher priced card is still required.


The 30" cinema display DID NOT drop in price according to Maccentral.com.

[SiliconAddict]

How recently was this? The AnandTech review alluded to some early QC issues but they seemed to think the current batch was A-OK.

I'm willing to take a shot on one, even if I have to do one return to get a good one. I'm used to dealing with Dell. ;)

Mine was late March. Rev 01.

Here is my previous post. Dell 2005FPW Impressions (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=116076&page=3&pp=25&highlight=monitor)

I just returned mine this week. The screen is (Scratch that) WAS fantastic until you start playing dark games/movies or have some black screensaver. My 2005FPW had a backlight bleed problem in the lower left about the size of my fist and the upper right about the size of a small cellphone. Again it was only with black screens and the lights turned low where the "issue" is viewable. I'm REALLY picky about my display and had it replaced by Dull twice. The first had 6 bad pixels. The second....well...never got the second before 21st day deadline for returning the thing came up. I wasn't willing to gamble that much money on a screen. I've done a lot of research on the 2005FPW and honestly. You aren't going to get a screen without some moderate backlight bleed...period. From what I've read the actual display type is different from those used in the 2405 model hence the reason the 2405 has little to no backlight bleed.
My biggest complaint about Dull is their customer support. In my life I have NEVER...EVER had support as completely and totally horrid as theirs. The magic spell I learned (too late to be useful as it turns out...21day return thing again.) was to used support via e-mail and instant chat. Under no circumstances call Dell. Both times I called them I got some Indian that was only slightly more comprehensible then white noise. The first call I did took 2 hours to get them to ship me a new monitor. The second call I did I simply hung up on them. I'm sorry but trying to get a mailing address from someone who has a accent that is thicker then pea soup was causing me to want to gnaw off my arm in frustration.
Again if you need to do returns send it to: US_CTS_Desktop_Support@dell.com

or simply using Dell's web based chat utility (That prob doesn't work on Macs )

Again for the price the monitor was fantastic. I think I'm just overly sensitive to that backlight bleed thing and it doesn't help that I'm a big fan of space based games (Read: Lot of black on screen.)
All I know is I'm going to wait for the next deal from Dell and get a 2405FPW instead. I've heard almost no complaints about that screen. The thing is I'm not willing to spend more then 900 on a monitor so I'm going to have to wait for one of Dell's uber deals to creep up.

[wdlove]

Wasn't the original price of the 30" $3299 and now it $2999? If so that would be $300.

[R.Youden]

In the UK the Dell 20" monitor is more than the Apple 20" (OK with education discount the montior is £475) the dell in £490 I think. OK I am not going out of my way to find the Dell 20" at an education discount.

[Eevee]

Price drops are always a good thing. The 30" certainly looks very appealing.

After reading the prior post, I just had to go back to apple.com. Because I thought that I had misread the information. The higher priced card is still required.

The higher priced card is not required if you have the new PBs with Radeon 9700 w/ 128MB card. :D

I have the $$ for one! Unfortunately, I have the Rev C PB so I can't get a 30"

[cheekyspanky]

Just in case anyone wants to know - the Higher Edu prices in the UK are shown in these screen grabs.

[SiliconAddict]

you are a fool if you actually think that the Dell is better, Dell's panels or LCD parts are made by 2 or 3 different manufactures while


Bull. You are the fool if you haven't done a comparison between the two. I can tell you from practical experience that the Dell 24" Blows away Apple's 23" ACD. I've got a friend that ordered a 24" Dell with his tax return to replace his 23" ACD. He's got a dual system setup G5 PowerMac 2Ghz/Alienware.
He got it last week and I can tell you RIGHT NOW that there is NO comparison the Dell wins on everything other then looks and for $500 cheaper a fugly bezel is well worth it. Put aside your all Apple all the time no matter what attitude and go out and see one of these displays before you make BS assumptions like oh my it has parts made by different manufacturers. Oh no. :rolleyes:

[gugy]

Wasn't the original price of the 30" $3299 and now it $2999? If so that would be $300.

It was the original price, then Apple had a drop in price I think 4 or 5 months ago and the 30' display went to $2999. Too bad, I was looking for another drop.

[aswitcher]

It was the original price, then Apple had a drop in price I think 4 or 5 months ago and the 30' display went to $2999. Too bad, I was looking for another drop.


I wonder if the drops are price rationalisation or/and if a new line will be out in the next 2-3 months and so Apple are trying to clear the inventory...

[Lacero]

The history of price cuts on the Aluminum Cinema Displays. US Dollars.

http://www3.telus.net/poojja/acdprices_01.jpg

[bankshot]

With all this talk of the Dell LCDs, I went on over to their site today. This image just struck me as funny - you think they were trying to copy something? :rolleyes: I guess some things never change... :D

http://img.dell.com/images/global/statichome/di_3F01463E.jpg

Anyway, that 2005FPW does sound enticing at such a low price. I've been looking for something around that price range to possibly buy (see thread here (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=122090)) but never really thought about a new display. Would be kinda nice, as my current LCD (a 15" EIZO bought 5 years ago when they were still almost $1000 - coincidentally purchased from Dell :p) is looking as great as ever but the 1024x768 is starting to feel cramped. What a step up a 20" would be.

Too bad apparently the sale ends today, as I'd like to see one of these babies in action before committing to anything. Probably means I won't do it and I'll end up keeping the iPod instead. But either way I win! ;)

[mpopkin]

Apple Displays are only purchased from Samsung(exceptions may be the iMac) but for PBook, Ibook, Apple cinema they are definetely Samsung, Sharp Displays are considered the bottom end of the top 5 manufacturers in quality and reliability and they are also among the cheapeset. Figures dell would use the cheapest


Dell's displays are OEM from Sharp

Apple displays are OEM from Samsung and Philips LG

If you want a compareable (picture wise) display with no usb or firewire hub but a rotating display (that doesn't work in OSX) - get a Samsung.

If my customers don't want an Apple Display or CRT - I recommend Samsung displays the most.

[mpopkin]

That is funny, when i opened my display, and since i am a known tinkerer it said Samsung on the back, if you want me to read you the panel id sometime feel free to ask, but unless Samsung is owned by Lg Phillips, i believe that is incorrect


Do some research, the Dell and Apple 20" LCDs are using the exact same screen. They have different backlights, but the panel itself is exactly the same, from the same factory - the LG.Philips LCD LM201W01.

I make no claims as to which is better, just thought there were some facts that needed clearing up...

[mklos]

Price drops are always a good thing. The 30" certainly looks very appealing.

After reading the prior post, I just had to go back to apple.com. Because I thought that I had misread the information. The higher priced card is still required.


The new high end PowerMac ships with an ATI Radeon 9650 Graphics Card that has (1) Dual Link DVI port on it which will power a 30" display. This card is a $50 option on the two lower models. So for $50, any new PowerMac G5 can handle a 30" display no problem. Keep in mind that it only has one dual link DVI port so you can't power 2 side by side, but heck, who has $6,000 to blow on display anyways! :D

[mklos]

Apple Displays are only purchased from Samsung(exceptions may be the iMac) but for PBook, Ibook, Apple cinema they are definetely Samsung, Sharp Displays are considered the bottom end of the top 5 manufacturers in quality and reliability and they are also among the cheapeset. Figures dell would use the cheapest

The 20" iMac G5 uses the old 20" Apple display that was in the plastic case. I have a 20" iMac G5 and it has a stunning display on it. Very crisp and extremely bright. I have to turn my brightness down sometimes. I have 1 dead pixel, but its in a spot where you never notice it so it doesn't bother me at all.

[oskar]

So if you buy one 23" ACD at $1499.99 you get a total of 2,304,000 pixels each costing $0.000651.
If you buy two 20" displays for a total of $1599.98 you get 3,528,000 pixels each costing $0.0004535. a difference of 30% in cost/pixel.

Buy paying 6.25% more (for two 20" displays) you get 34.7% more pixels than a 23" display. So if it's pixels you want, 2 displays are better. But...

The drawback is really that you don't have an HD image which is why the 23" and 30" are that much more expensive, not so much because of the amount of pixels you get. If you definitely need a high definition image (for final cut actual size playback for example) the 23" display is the best choice.
The same rules apply with getting two 23" or one 30". (Except for the HD part). With the same money you can either get millions of pixels in two displays or just one amazing amount of pixels in one display. The important thing is that if you need to display a 30" image on your screen you obviously need to buy the 30" instead of the two smaller monitors.


Lets do the math shall we? If we look at the number of pixels the 20" acd has a resolution of 1680x1050 = 1,764,000 pixels. The 23" has a resolution of 1920x1200 = 2,304,000

So. By shelling out an extra 87.6% you gain 30,61% screen real estate or 540,000 pixels. Not that bad actually. The marginal efficiency of that screen estate is definately worth it if you're working with graphics.

[Morky]

I bought the 20 inch when it was $1299 and I feel ripped the hell off. :mad:

I just bought mine in January for $1300 and now it's $800. That's just the way things go in the electronics market. I remember not wanting to buy a
Vic20 because I heard something better was coming, and the salesman said "if you think like that, you'll never buy a computer". He is still right.

Love the monitor.

[gugy]

The history of price cuts on the Aluminum Cinema Displays. US Dollars.

http://www3.telus.net/poojja/acdprices_01.jpg


Thanks Lacero,

It makes me sad not to see at least a $300 price drop for the 30" display.
I heard speculation of a possible 40"+ cinema display coming soon. That could possibly make the 30" cheaper.

[oskar]

i dont know why everyone is complaining about the 20" "not being HD". 720p, which is higher percieved quality than 1080i (and 1080p isnt fully supported yet) can be edited on even the 20", actually even the old 17" 4:3. heck, my powerbook g4 15" at 1280x854 can view 720p HD video with pixels to spare if it wanted to (but i dont have any HD content). 1080p is another story, but chances are that if you're needing to edit 1080i or 1080p content and 720p isnt enough for you, and in that situation, you can probably afford a $5000 HD camera to shoot 1080 content with, and a $3000 powermac g5, then you can probably afford a $1500 23" or two or get a dell. stop complaining. the 20" is a great monitor, and apple isnt going to change the DPI, when 1080i on a 20" monitor wouldn't look that great anyways. sorry, had to rant.

but this is great news about the price drops. the 20" is becoming more and more of a reality for me to afford. and i'd be more than happy with 1680x1050 pixels.

I wasn't one of the complainers, but as you're saying yourself: you can view 720p footage on your 15" PB, as can I. But editting is a different story...
Unless you're using two screens, you cannot edit while seeing the "actual size" of the footage on ANY PowerBook, unless you're talking about cutting and pasting with quicktime. In fact a 20" display with the actual-sized 720p footage would leave you a bare 400 H and 330 V pixels left for panels and the like, which wouldn't be all that much comfortable.
The HD monitors are great for a double monitor set-up where you are viewing your output source when editting in its true size. The 20" is an excellent monitor for that as well.
People who complain about the 20" not being HD probably just don't want the letterbox or something...

EDIT: Just read another reply. No one was actually complaining about the 20" not being HD.

[wildmac]

I can tell you from practical experience that the Dell 24" Blows away Apple's 23" ACD. I've got a friend that ordered a 24" Dell with his tax return to replace his 23" ACD. He's got a dual system setup G5 PowerMac 2Ghz/Alienware.
He got it last week and I can tell you RIGHT NOW that there is NO comparison the Dell wins on everything other then looks and for $500 cheaper a fugly bezel is well worth it. Put aside your all Apple all the time no matter what attitude and go out and see one of these displays before you make BS assumptions like oh my it has parts made by different manufacturers. Oh no. :rolleyes:

Well, I've heard good things about the Dell 24", and heard this comparison go both ways, but I'd like to hear from any graphic artists out there that are using the Dell 24". Anyone?....

[wildmac]

you can get the dell 24" for $999

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/ProductDetail.aspx?sku=320-4221&c=us&l=en&cs=04&category_id=6198&brandid=56&first=true&page=productlisting.aspx

it's making my credit card get jumpy...

[savar]

If I put a Dell flat panel on my G4, will it support portrait mode?

[ravenvii]

If I put a Dell flat panel on my G4, will it support portrait mode?

Nope. But I hear Tiger supports swivel screens, so maybe it will circa this Friday :)

Damn, $699 (EDU) for a 20"... I would actually pay that to get one... Sell my Dell 19" and buy that 20"... But the 19" is only two months old...

I think I'll go put on the straitjacket now...

[BWhaler]

These threads are so painfully predictable.

"I have no life and did the math and Dells are cheaper"

"Yeah, but Dells suck and you get what you pay for. Maybe you can't tell the difference."


Once and for all people: YOU'RE BOTH RIGHT.


Some people pay for the very best, including components on the inside. Some buy the cheapest thing which serves 90% of the utility. You're both right, you're just different types of shoppers.

[adamjay]

gee, i wonder if this means pricecuts on the forthcoming iMac G5 updates
even $100 off would be welcome.

would make sense. Kill the eMac, keep the Mini, iMacs at $1199, $1399, and $1799

time will tell...

[foofan]

I love Apple products, but why would I buy a 30 inch monitor for $2999 when I can buy a Dell 42" HDTV built-in Plasma TV? Not only can I use it for a computer, but also have the luxury of watching tv on it too.


Apple should have added tv tuners to all displays

[bellis1]

Better hurry to get in on this steal at ebay...
(and it's used)

[florio]

ok... i need help, i just purchased the 20 inch widescreen and took delivery on it 3 days ago. Can i bitch to apple? and get the price reduced? Or else I will return the monitor and repurchase. I have not connected it yet. Just opened it to look at it... what is the chance that they would help me.

Thanks,
Florio

[ravenvii]

ok... i need help, i just purchased the 20 inch widescreen and took delivery on it 3 days ago. Can i bitch to apple? and get the price reduced? Or else I will return the monitor and repurchase. I have not connected it yet. Just opened it to look at it... what is the chance that they would help me.

Thanks,
Florio

Apple gives 10 days (I think) of price protection. So you just call Apple and they'll credit you the difference.

[macux]

I love Apple products, but why would I buy a 30 inch monitor for $2999 when I can buy a Dell 42" HDTV built-in Plasma TV? Not only can I use it for a computer, but also have the luxury of watching tv on it too.


Apple should have added tv tuners to all displays

Sure, buy the plasma and have 1024x768 resolution stretched out over 42".

[Multimedia]

If you must have the fixed aluminum frame without an elevator and pivot capability, the price may be worth the extra $300 over the Dell UltraSharp 2405FPW 24" WideScreen (1920 x 1200) that was $1,019.15 this past week. It's a plastic frame, but it has an elevator and the whole screen can pivot (supported in Tiger) 90°. So yes the price drop is a good thing. But I think that Dell's Monitors are still a better choice even now. List is only $1,199 and Dell puts it on the 15% discount block regularly.

I also chose a Dell UltraSharp 2001FP 20.1-inch 1600x1200 monitor that has the same stand features for only $561.75 after a 25% discount off $749 list. I won't miss the other 80 pixels wide that Apple's 20" wide has (1680) as much as I will be glad I have a full 1200 pixels of height instead of only 1050. Now that the OS finally - after far too many years - supports portrait mode, I am really glad I bought both these Dells. :p

[surfsofa]

I love my 20" ACD so much that I'm really glad I paid Apple an additional £150 for 2 months' use. A bargain for such crisy colourness.

Apple kit is in danger of becoming cheap and nasty. I want sky high prices back again. Stevie and the others deserve more of my hard earned cash. Please stop lowering prices Apple and devaluing the brand! Your products are worth more I tell you, MORE!

:p

[Multimedia]

Regarding Dell UltraSharp 2405FPW 24" Wide (1920x1200) Monitor
Quote:
Originally Posted by mac512pbg4
Maybe I'm not seeing it, but I don't see any note in Dell tech specs that 24" LCD is HD capable.

Wouldn't that make the price difference reasonable?

I need to know because I want to use Eye TV HD recorder.

Anybody out there that can educate me on the issue?

Thanks.

Any screen that can do high enough res can do HD right? so you need at least Xx1080 to do 1080I/p

I'm pretty sure the 24" does that
Yes it does. Moreover, in addition to analog VGA and DVI computer inputs, it has component, composite and s-video inputs. For TRUE HD on a flat panel you need MINIMUM 1920 wide. The 1080i high is less than the 1200 high that the Dell is. The Dell is the best kept secret in the video editing - TV watching world. I just bought the Dell specifically after studying the EyeTV 500 HD specs and requirements.

And it PIVOTS which is now supported in Tiger's Displays Preference Panel. Imagine, 1920 HIGH by 1200 WIDE for poster design work.

[MacWhispers]

LCD displays are impacted by three different major performance factors: the panel, the driver circuitry, and, the backlight. While the widescreen Dells and the Apple displays use the same panels, each company uses its own unique driver circuitry, and their own CCFL backlights. And frankly Apple's utterly smokes the junk driver system in the Dell displays.

I bought one of the 20-inch Dells and have compared it side by side with both 20 and 23 inch Apple units. There are a variety of subtle but quite noticeable differences between the two. The colors are more washed out on the Dell. The contrast and black depth are visably inferior. Max brightness is lower on the Dell. All of these differences are, admittedly, very subtle on brand new units. However, the price differences between the Apple and Dell displays aren't from Dell's charity or Apple's stupidity. The prices reflect extreme cost cutting decisions that Dell made in the design of their product.

In economics, there is an age old principle that goes, "There Is No Such Thing As A Free Lunch." Anybody silly enough to think that they are getting a "deal" on one of these Dell displays is just being irresponsible with their cash, similarly to people who think they are getting a "bargain" when buying a $39 DVD player at Wal-Mart. Brand new performance is okay. But, you look back 2 or 3 years later and wonder how you could have been so stupid to have tried to save those few dollars... as you recall the day your "bargain" spit its guts out and died... or, as you suffer with horribly degraded performance.

In electronics products, there is a reason why premium brands charge premium prices, and junk brands charge junk prices. I would have thought anyone experienced enough to be participating on this forum would have long since learned that lesson.

When I invest in an LCD display (and, personally and through my company, I own about 20 of them), I expect to enjoy top notch performance from that product for several years into the future. My Apple displays have reliably delivered on that expectation.

Spend your money any way you wish. But, for the love of Pete... please realize the trash you are buying when you spend it on a junk price product from a discount brand like Dell.

[stephenli]

20" being as cheap as this price, less and less ppls are expecting a cheaper 17 inch widescreen, right?
so will apple still plan to produce 17"? i doubt.

anyway i like ADC. i still think that it is the worse designed monitor ever in Apple's history.

[Johnny Psycho]

Wow this is totally amazing, I have been thinking of getting four 30" Cinema Displays for me and my girlfriends studio, (to complement my powermac G5 (dual 2.3)) so I have just placed my order on the apple site :cool:
God I'm so happy, but how do you hang them all on the wall ? Don't the stands get in the way or do they fold up behind ? I guess I'm going to scrap that 20" Apple display now, maybe ebay if anyone fancies it...
See ya, I'll keep you updated when I get them !

John

[Platform]

Good they needed to cost less, since the mini's...but still more than the computer...... :rolleyes:

And also still Dual 23" for one 30" :o

[JGowan]

Wow this is totally amazing, I have been thinking of getting four 30" Cinema Displays for me and my girlfriends studio, (to complement my powermac G5 (dual 2.3)) so I have just placed my order on the apple site :cool:
God I'm so happy, but how do you hang them all on the wall ? Don't the stands get in the way or do they fold up behind ? I guess I'm going to scrap that 20" Apple display now, maybe ebay if anyone fancies it...
See ya, I'll keep you updated when I get them !

JohnCongrats on your very first post here on this website, Johnny! Way to stir the pot! Be sure and take some neato photos of all 4 of your displays hung on your studio walls for all of us to see, drool over and be envious of...

But we won't hold our breath. :rolleyes:

[O and A]

i have the dell 20 inch wide screen and let me tell u it is a thing of beauty.

[wildmac]

But what about the 24" Dell?...


LCD displays are impacted by three different major performance factors: the panel, the driver circuitry, and, the backlight. While the widescreen Dells and the Apple displays use the same panels, each company uses its own unique driver circuitry, and their own CCFL backlights. And frankly Apple's utterly smokes the junk driver system in the Dell displays.

I bought one of the 20-inch Dells and have compared it side by side with both 20 and 23 inch Apple units. There are a variety of subtle but quite noticeable differences between the two. The colors are more washed out on the Dell. The contrast and black depth are visably inferior. Max brightness is lower on the Dell. All of these differences are, admittedly, very subtle on brand new units. However, the price differences between the Apple and Dell displays aren't from Dell's charity or Apple's stupidity. The prices reflect extreme cost cutting decisions that Dell made in the design of their product.

In economics, there is an age old principle that goes, "There Is No Such Thing As A Free Lunch." Anybody silly enough to think that they are getting a "deal" on one of these Dell displays is just being irresponsible with their cash, similarly to people who think they are getting a "bargain" when buying a $39 DVD player at Wal-Mart. Brand new performance is okay. But, you look back 2 or 3 years later and wonder how you could have been so stupid to have tried to save those few dollars... as you recall the day your "bargain" spit its guts out and died... or, as you suffer with horribly degraded performance.

In electronics products, there is a reason why premium brands charge premium prices, and junk brands charge junk prices. I would have thought anyone experienced enough to be participating on this forum would have long since learned that lesson.

When I invest in an LCD display (and, personally and through my company, I own about 20 of them), I expect to enjoy top notch performance from that product for several years into the future. My Apple displays have reliably delivered on that expectation.

Spend your money any way you wish. But, for the love of Pete... please realize the trash you are buying when you spend it on a junk price product from a discount brand like Dell.

[DickArmAndHarT]

If your goign to be buying a 3000$ powermac, the machine is half of the experience, The displauy is the other half, if u have huge power, then its useless with a crappy dispay, yes there expensive but ur spending huge money on the machine, and yes power is important but its useleess without a display.

This post is being typed as i milk wifi from some place in southstreeet seaport nyc.

Ill be purchasing a 2.3ghz and 23" about 4 gran within the year, the full deal, just got my working papers i start on monday!

[mwwlse]

Did nobody actually read the Anandtech article? Allow me to quote for those too lazy to read the entire article.

"As you can see, even though both images are conveyed over the DVI cable, there seems to be some discrepancy on the actual tones. The more muted colors of the Cinema display were slightly off according to OptiCal, and we needed to correct the curves via software."

There you have it. These sites exist for a reason, to provide objective and subjective analysis of hardware so that we need not rely upon entirely baseless speculation.

[wdlove]

Wow this is totally amazing, I have been thinking of getting four 30" Cinema Displays for me and my girlfriends studio, (to complement my powermac G5 (dual 2.3)) so I have just placed my order on the apple site :cool:
God I'm so happy, but how do you hang them all on the wall ? Don't the stands get in the way or do they fold up behind ? I guess I'm going to scrap that 20" Apple display now, maybe ebay if anyone fancies it...
See ya, I'll keep you updated when I get them !

John

Suspension of Disbelief
An elegant aluminum enclosure, advanced hinge technology and peripheral support give you flexibility to place your display anywhere and adjust it effortlessly. The optional VESA mount lets you put a flat panel in surprising new places. So you can make your Apple display a seamless part of a museum kiosk, mount it on a wall in a office lobby or swivel changes to a client via an articulating arm.


Apple has a picture of the Vesa monunt on the link below.

[URL=http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/70502/wo/B03TVo5VUETF2XSx4yIETSpk3il/0.0.13.1.0.6.23.1.6.1.3.0.0.1.0]

[Lacero]

The 30" ACDs are just beautiful! I saw it at my local reseller. One customer had the audacity to say "It's too big". I was about to slug him for that comment. My next LCD will definitely be a 30" or larger. Especially the next round of price cuts will drop the price of the 30" down to $2599.

[biohazard6969]

yes sadly the dell screens are still better value for money, but at least apple have lowered the price a bit, it will stop scaring away buyers.

how much are these dell montors? and how much WERE the apple displays? how much diod the price lower by?

[ThinkMatt]

I have been reading a lot of the banter between Dell displays and Apple displays and I am sure both have their merits.

Here's my problem. I have a credit with Apple sizeable enough to get one of two things. I can get either 2, 20" ACD's or 1, 23" ACD. My question is why should I want to get the 23 when I get TONS more desktop space with two 20's?

I realize the 23" supports HD 1080i/p in native format, but is that the ONLY reason I would want the larger single display?

My main uses are web design, video editing (non-HD currently), general apps (office/net/email), and some gaming (especially when hooked to my pc).

My main machines are a PMG5-2.5, 3Gb of RAM, 2x250Gb SATA HD, 2x250Gb LaCie FW800 HD, and a 9600xt vid card. My PC is a custom AMD64-3000+, 1Gb RAM, 80Gb SATA HD, and a Radeon x800XL vid card.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

[jobberwacky]

PS- Portrait rocks. Someone was complaining about possible stress on the eyes. Check the brightness and contrast settings. Dell's 2005 has almost twice the contrast ratio of Apple's and the 2405 is bright enough to burn out your retinas at 1000:1 ratio. :eek: OK so maybe not burn out but definitely you need your sunglasses if you don’t do some tweaking to the monitor settings.

Yes, that was me writing about getting sore eyes from portrait mode. No, I don't think it had anything to do with the contrast & brightness settings, because I didn't twiddle around with these. And once I switched back to landscape mode things were ok again. (I tried out portrait mode during two full working days and switched back on day three.)

My guess is still that this is due to pixel arrangement which is optimized for standard landscape viewing.
Andreas

[MontyZ]

Where are some links to the forums? I just checked the first page of the forms and saw nothing indicating such a response.
That is because Apple monitors on the Apple forums are deleting nearly all posts of people who are complaining about the many (yes many) problems they are having with the 23" Apple display. I've seen quite a few of them myself before they disappeared.

I bought two 23" displays and had to return them both because they were full of so many technical glitches and problems, they weren't worth the cost of the packaging they came in. Which is really too bad, because they sure look sleek and gorgeous on the outside, but, the color is very uneven, many have a pink cast to them, the ghosting gets worse and worse every day you have it, and white becomes a dingy yellow on the left and right 2" of the monitor.

It's defective equipment, and Apple shouldn't be selling that kind of crap with their logo on it.

[plastique45]

It is true that the Dell screens are 1/2 the price, but the quality is not comparable. I have a 20" Apple Cinema and a 20" 2005 Widescreen Dell hooked up side by side on my G5. The Cinema has a very smooth image without any pixels or descreening showing. Even though they both feature similiar specs, in reality the Apple is the true winner.
I just use the Dell as a palettes monitor.

Ahahahaha, that's a pretty funny statement, considering that both the Apple & Dell's 20" use the exact same LCD panel from the exact same manufacturer!

http://www.anandtech.com/displays/showdoc.aspx?i=2400

It's like the LaCie 19" CRT and NEC FP955, you are buying the EXACT same monitor from Apple or Dell.

[Multimedia]

But what about the 24" Dell?...
Just received both today. I am in LCD nirvana. Got spoiled on my 15" PowerBook for the past 18 months and finally pulled the trigger on this dynamic duo over last weekend. I can even drive the 24" at full native resolution with my Cube's old Radon 7500 TwinView.

I disagree with MacWhispers and love my new Dell monitors because they have multiple video inputs, including COMPONENT inputs on the 24" 1920x1200 native HD model and both analog VGA and DCI inputs so I can easily connect them simultaneously to different Macs and video sources to watch different things different ways. Plus they pivot which Tiger now supports.

MacWhispers may think they are junk. But I do not. They have many features that Apple displays do not that I NEED and am grateful to have. I will make sure I have long term warranties from Dell in case they go bad later. God knows I saved a ton of money going with Dell to afford their extended warranties. Plus I got a much more flexible nine source setup - 4 computer and 5 video sources. :)

[chaosbunny]

Nice to know how much they cost in the States.

Herein Europe it is different and the Dells cost not half the price of the apples at all!

20" Widescreen from Dell: 578,76 €
20" Widescreen from Apple: 819 €

I'd never pay almost 600 € for that ugly black dell monitor. For me 250 € for looks is worth the money since I'm a freelance graphic designer and working with my stuff and looking at a beautiful monitor 8 hours+ every day (while working, not counting the time when I see it standing around) for about 5 years (which is as long as such an expensive monitor should last me either way) is just worth the hard earned money. However, I can't order one right now, no money since I ordered a new 15" PB, which I can pick up later that day :D hope it will come with tiger! apple monitor maybe in august/september, maybe it will be 600 € by then.....

[FFTT]

I just talked to the Dell education rep.

2405FPW @ $899 + tax, free shipping.

I'm SO buying one!

[Multimedia]

I just talked to the Dell education rep.

2405FPW @ $899 + tax, free shipping.

I'm SO buying one!
Doh! I Didn't Know They Had An Education Store. You will be so glad you did. What was the procedure for you to get that price? :cool:

And how did you find the Education rep in the first place?

[wdlove]

Doh! I Didn't Know They Had An Education Store. You will be so glad you did. What was the procedure for you to get that price? :cool:

And how did you find the Education rep in the first place?

Here is the link at apple.com to find out if you qualify for the educational discount. It is a very good deal if you qualify.

[MacWhispers]

MacWhispers may think they are junk. But I do not. They have many features that Apple displays do not that I NEED and am grateful to have. I will make sure I have long term warranties from Dell in case they go bad later. God knows I saved a ton of money going with Dell to afford their extended warranties. Plus I got a much more flexible nine source setup - 4 computer and 5 video sources. :)

Pop off the backs, and look at the electronics and assembly. Again, these budget electronics shops slice every penny that they can slice from component grade and precision, and from mechanical design features. They specifically build the product to have big time out of box performance, and big feature lists, and intentionally and very knowingly shortchange every possible point where some care could have been invested into long-term performance and reliability. They, litterly, do not give a flip if the thing even works 3-years down the road. I know, as I deal with these exact issues every single day.

Again, you simply cannot see any performance difference when playing a standard SD DVD on a brand new Wal-Mart $39 DVD player and a brand new $299 Sony DVD player. And, for the price, I am amazed at all of the input/output and remote control options there are on those $39 machines. Use both products every day for three-years. Look at the performance then, and, at the service/performance track record.

And, please... one more time, just pop the frames out of the housings and look at the assembly and the electronics on the Apple and the Dell LCDs. Then, make up your own mind about the "value" of electronics products.

If I can find time tonight, I'll pop open the Apple and Dell 20-inchers here, take some digital photos, and post a link. "Junk" was not a word I used lightly, or from emotionalism.

Then again, I have a sister-in-law who makes it her lifestyle to simply buy the cheapest junk electronics she can find at Wal-Mart, and, just replaces any of the products, as needed. She says she's better of buying a new $59 VCR every year or two, than in buying one good one for $300 every five-years. Go figure...

[wildmac]

OK, the 20" models have been debated, but again, what about the Dell 24" versus the Apple 23"?

And I need to know from the view of a graphic artist. I'm not concerned about gaming. Color accuracy and consistency across the screen are what I am after.

[MacWhispers]

OK, the 20" models have been debated, but again, what about the Dell 24" versus the Apple 23"?

And I need to know from the view of a graphic artist. I'm not concerned about gaming. Color accuracy and consistency across the screen are what I am after.

If you're moving from a CRT, you will not be satisfied with the color depth or accuracy of either the Dell or Apple units. In fact, after using a variety of the large screen LCDs, the only one I have found that reliably lives up near top-CRT quality is the Viewsonic VP231wb. It's a few hundred dollars more than the others, but, they spent the time and money to get the driver circuitry and backlight and panel all nicely matched and engineered to work well. It's a great product for color print work.

Hope this helps.

[Cooknn]

It's a thing of beauty :p And it's PERFECT. Not one dead or stuck pixel! Picked it up at the Tiger party at CompUSA. Got the new reduced price. 'Tis the year of HD BABY :D

[Kerry Sanders]

I opted for the Apple 20" Cinema display today when I ordered my Power Mac partly due to payment options, but mostly due to the review over at Anandtech that I read today. He reviewed the 20" Cinema and the Dell 2005FPW. His pick was the Dell, but when I saw the inside of the Dell compared to the Apple and the fact that the Dell has all the venting to keep it cool and to allow dust... I decided to make mine all Apple to Apple. :D

[FFTT]

Doh! I Didn't Know They Had An Education Store. You will be so glad you did. What was the procedure for you to get that price? :cool:
And how did you find the Education rep in the first place?

Both Apple and Dell offer fantastic discounts to qualified Students, Educators, Government and certain large and small business clients.

I found the Dell education link through my community college help page.
Each school or business usually has a member number, so you'll need that information before you talk to the education reps by phone.

You may also be eligible for a small or large business member discounts.
Your company IT department should be able to help you with member information.

READ ME!
You will not find the best deals posted online, so I urge you to
speak with your rep directly!

The young lady that helped me today was fantastic! :D

If you qualify and would like a referral,

PM me for further details.

[powerbook911]

I opted for the Apple 20" Cinema display today when I ordered my Power Mac partly due to payment options, but mostly due to the review over at Anandtech that I read today. He reviewed the 20" Cinema and the Dell 2005FPW. His pick was the Dell, but when I saw the inside of the Dell compared to the Apple and the fact that the Dell has all the venting to keep it cool and to allow dust... I decided to make mine all Apple to Apple. :D

I think you made an excellent choice. I've had my cinema display, for nine weeks now, and it is fantastic. I actually mentally think "this is cool," every day.

[~Shard~]

I actually mentally think "this is cool," every day.


You actually mentally think? Wow, how else do you sometimes think? :p ;) :cool:

[Kerry Sanders]

I think you made an excellent choice. I've had my cinema display, for nine weeks now, and it is fantastic. I actually mentally think "this is cool," every day.

Thanks. It is always nice to get positive encouragement for things like this from others who have done it. 3.6 large is a lot to lay down for a system. But then again, we are getting what we pay for. :)

[~Shard~]

Thanks. It is always nice to get positive encouragement for things like this from others who have done it. 3.6 large is a lot to lay down for a system. But then again, we are getting what we pay for. :)

That's the nice thing with Apple. :)

[FFTT]

Thanks to the -$600 Sale priced Rev B 2.0 dually and my fantastic deal
on the Dell 2405FPW 24" HD display, I ended up with a great system for just over $2700.

I am SO Content!:D

[wdlove]

Thanks to the -$600 Sale priced Rev B 2.0 dually and my fantastic deal
on the Dell 2405FPW 24" HD display, I ended up with a great system for just over $2700.

I am SO Content!:D

That is really the most important thing. It is very important to be happy with the purchase that you made.

[Kerry Sanders]

I have a small question which is slightly off this topic, but it is sort of inline. I know that the 23" and 30" Cinema displays are both HD, but what about the 20"? The native resolution is 1680x1050, so it should be able to do 720p, right?

[aswitcher]

I have a small question which is slightly off this topic, but it is sort of inline. I know that the 23" and 30" Cinema displays are both HD, but what about the 20"? The native resolution is 1680x1050, so it should be able to do 720p, right?

YEP

[Kerry Sanders]

Very sweet. I was thinking that was the case, but I wanted to make sure. I do not have HD television at the moment, but I know that DVDs will look good on the Cinema display. Of course, I could have purchased a Sony Grand WEGA 60" HD flat panel for the $3600 that I spent on my system, but I would not have as much fun. :D

[YS2003]

I am interested in a 23" ACD and I am wondering if Apple and LCD maker (LG Philips?) has fixed the 23" model's color tint and other quality anomaly issues. The 20" ACD I purchased almost a month ago is perfect and I am hooked to Apple's elegant display design (there is no vent which means no dust will get inside the chassis). Since my PBs cannot run a 30", a 23" ACD should work well. I heard so many posts on many forums about problems with the 23" model; but, I have not heard if that problem has been fixed.

[Cooknn]

I am interested in a 23" ACD and I am wondering if Apple and LCD maker (LG Philips?) has fixed the 23" model's color tint and other quality anomaly issues. The 20" ACD I purchased almost a month ago is perfect and I am hooked to Apple's elegant display design (there is no vent which means no dust will get inside the chassis). Since my PBs cannot run a 30", a 23" ACD should work well. I heard so many posts on many forums about problems with the 23" model; but, I have not heard if that problem has been fixed.Well, I may be lucky but I have noticed no color tint or quality issues with my new 23" ACD this weekend. I too was apprehensive. To the point that I spent an extra $159 for the CompUSA extended warranty just in case. I'm so glad I took the step and got this monitor. I usually have several app's open at a time when working on my 360° virtual tours and the 23" wide screen really makes it nice - that space combined with expose' anyways.

[YS2003]

Well, I may be lucky but I have noticed no color tint or quality issues with my new 23" ACD this weekend. I too was apprehensive. To the point that I spent an extra $159 for the CompUSA extended warranty just in case. I'm so glad I took the step and got this monitor. I usually have several app's open at a time when working on my 360° virtual tours and the 23" wide screen really makes it nice - that space combined with expose' anyways.
Thanks for posting a feedback on your 23". I will go visit an Apple Store this week to check on its demo 23" in the store. So, it seems Apple has fixed that 23" model. I just need to make sure the one I am going to buy should be the recently stocked item (not the ones sitting at the back of the store for several weeks).

Is there a way you can check when the monitor is made?

[JackSYi]

Here (http://forums.applenova.com/archive/index.php/t-4489.html) is a great thread on High Definition on a 20" ACD.

[wdlove]

Thanks for posting a feedback on your 23". I will go visit an Apple Store this week to check on its demo 23" in the store. So, it seems Apple has fixed that 23" model. I just need to make sure the one I am going to buy should be the recently stocked item (not the ones sitting at the back of the store for several weeks).

Is there a way you can check when the monitor is made?

I think that Apple has a pretty good turnover on the 23" ACD, that you should be alright. If your are concerned, you could try asking if they would allow you to boot-up the monitor prior to purchase.

[FFTT]

The Apple 20" at education price of $699 is still a good value, but if you want that extra real estate, higher specifications, and a standard 3 year warranty, it's hard to ignore the Dell 24" for the price.

I hope all of you are taking full advantage of any possible corporate
or education discounts when you compare the Apple displays to the
Dell's.

You WILL NOT find the best prices on Dell displays without talking to
their small business and education reps directly.
Discounts will vary from 10%-35% off depending on eligibility.

Of course the Apple's are beautiful and hands down the best design,
but IF you qualify and play your cards right, you can quite literally
get TWO Dell 2405FPW 24" HD displays for the price of ONE Apple
23" HD display.

[Cooknn]

I think that Apple has a pretty good turnover on the 23" ACD, that you should be alright. If your are concerned, you could try asking if they would allow you to boot-up the monitor prior to purchase.Or he could buy it at CompUSA for the same price with a 21 Day no questions asked return policy. At least that's what they told me :p

[FFTT]

Woot! My G5 left Memphis! :D



Resumes a desperate resurrection of basement studio Hiroshima

[geeyesgee]

Just ordered a 23"er! Can't wait to make my old 21" CRT as a secondary screen.

Question for those who have a 23" Apple LCD: how long is the monitor's cord?

[Kerry Sanders]

Woot! My G5 left Memphis! :D

My G5 just got sent to manufacturing from processing! ;)

[YS2003]

I was at the Apple Store in Buffalo yesterday and picked up Tiger. I also checked on the 23" ACD to see if there is still a pink tint on the screen. The 23" ACD the store put out for store demo showed the pink tint! Maybe those display 23" ACD screens were old and are not the sample of the recently manufactured 23" ACD. But still, that pink tint really put me off.

[EANx]

Does anyone know anything about the rumor that Apple might put an hd tuner in their monitors in the future?

[Cooknn]

Question for those who have a 23" Apple LCD: how long is the monitor's cord?Without getting behind my desk to measure I would guess that it's 6'.
The 23" ACD the store put out for store demo showed the pink tint!That's interesting. I don't see a pink tint on my 23" ACD. I'm still pinching myself that I was lucky enough to get one without any dead or stuck pixels :D

[Multimedia]

Does anyone know anything about the rumor that Apple might put an hd tuner in their monitors in the future?
They don't need to. It's inside the eyeTV 500 HDTV-SDTV Recorder-Playeer. $349 (http://www.elgato.com/index.php?file=products_eyetv500) :)

[wdlove]

They don't need to. It's inside the eyeTV 500 HDTV-SDTV Recorder-Playeer. $349 (http://www.elgato.com/index.php?file=products_eyetv500) :)

I have considered EyeTV. Think that it would be a neat option on a Mac. At the moment don't have a Mac that can handle it yet. My question though would be, wouldn't the HD tuner be superior in quality and ease of use if it were done by Apple? After all according to Steve this is the year of HD.

[FFTT]

I just hooked up my new Dell 24" display today.

OH MY WOOTNESS! This is SO nice to work with.

Just watched my first WideScreen movie. I'm totally blown away!

No issues, just a beautiful display for about half the price
of the Apple 23".

I'll post photos as soon as I can.

[aswitcher]

I just hooked up my new Dell 24" display today.

OH MY WOOTNESS! This is SO nice to work with.

Just watched my first WideScreen movie. I'm totally blown away!

No issues, just a beautiful display for about half the price
of the Apple 23".

I'll post photos as soon as I can.


I am torn. End of the year I want a big screen TV and plasma or a good LCD looks like the answer, but then again if I bouth a good CRT I could get one of these Dells as well... what t do...

[Evangelion]

LCD displays are impacted by three different major performance factors: the panel, the driver circuitry, and, the backlight. While the widescreen Dells and the Apple displays use the same panels, each company uses its own unique driver circuitry, and their own CCFL backlights. And frankly Apple's utterly smokes the junk driver system in the Dell displays.

Anandtech seems to disagree with you. So, who do I believe: some random Apple-lover on some forum, or objective reviewer at Anandtech?

While the image-quality between the two seems similar (different yes, but neither is really any better than the other), the Dell-monitor does have superior inputs and lower price.

The contrast and black depth are visably inferior. Max brightness is lower on the Dell.

According to Anandtech, Dell is a bit brighter and ACD is. And while ACD has darkerk darks than Dell does, the Dell has whiter whites. All in all, the contrast was slightly better on the Dell. They mentioned that ACD looked a bit more "washed out" in movie-playback than the Dell did. So I guess it's safe to say that you are talking out of your ass.

In economics, there is an age old principle that goes, "There Is No Such Thing As A Free Lunch."

Maybe Dell simply has lower margins on their display when compared to Apple? They might cost more or less the same to make, but Apple might be trying to bring in mor profit from each unit, and that explains the higher price. It might not necessarily be due to Apple being better.

In electronics products, there is a reason why premium brands charge premium prices, and junk brands charge junk prices. I would have thought anyone experienced enough to be participating on this forum would have long since learned that lesson.

Why do I get the feeling that your way of thinking is "It's made by Apple, so it MUST be better!"?

When I invest in an LCD display (and, personally and through my company, I own about 20 of them), I expect to enjoy top notch performance from that product for several years into the future. My Apple displays have reliably delivered on that expectation.

Yes, the Apple-displays are good, and I don't think anyone here has been disputing that. Question has been whether the Dell unit is as good or better. According to reviews, the two have similar image-quality. But the Dell does have lower price and better inputs. Of course, Dell doesn't have that cool aluminium-casing, but that doesn't really make the display "better" as such.

Spend your money any way you wish. But, for the love of Pete... please realize the trash you are buying when you spend it on a junk price product from a discount brand like Dell.

Could you at least try to be a bit more objective? "It's Dell, so it must be crap! Anything Apple makes must be good!"

[Cooknn]

According to Anandtech, Dell is a bit brighter and ACD is. And while ACD has darkerk darks than Dell does, the Dell has whiter whites. All in all, the contrast was slightly better on the Dell. They mentioned that ACD looked a bit more "washed out" in movie-playback than the Dell did. So I guess it's safe to say that you are talking out of your ass.I disagree with Anandtech on these issues. I've not worked with a 24" Dell, but I do have a 20" at the office and I now have a 23" ACD at home. The ACD is definitely brighter. It's so bright in fact, that I have to turn it down a bit. He's not talking out of his ass :o

[Rower_CPU]

I disagree with Anandtech on these issues. I've not worked with a 24" Dell, but I do have a 20" at the office and I now have a 23" ACD at home. The ACD is definitely brighter. It's so bright in fact, that I have to turn it down a bit. He's not talking out of his ass :o

The Anandtech article compares the Dell 20" to the Apple 20" - comparing the 20" Dell to the 23" ACD doesn't really get this discussion anywhere.

[Cooknn]

The Anandtech article comares the Dell 20" to the Apple 20" - comparing the 20" Dell to the 23" ACD doesn't really get this discussion anywhere.My bad :o I only read the quote - not the article.

[MontyZ]

Pop off the backs, and look at the electronics and assembly.
Exactly how do you do this, and doesn't this nullify the warranty if you do? I don't think it's a good idea to ask people to do this.

[wdlove]

Anandtech seems to disagree with you. So, who do I believe: some random Apple-lover on some forum, or objective reviewer at Anandtech?

Why do I get the feeling that your way of thinking is "It's made by Apple, so it MUST be better!"?

Could you at least try to be a bit more objective? "It's Dell, so it must be crap! Anything Apple makes must be good!"

I think that the Apple display is better, to me it means quality. Why support a rival to Apple. The display also compliments the Power Mac. My experience has been that running an Apple to Apple, just works better. Still remember the problems that I had with a Sony. The connector could become very fragile at times.

[FFTT]

http://img92.echo.cx/img92/6986/g5dellg39wq.jpg

http://img92.echo.cx/img92/1874/applenovascreenshot4zv.jpg

[wdlove]

Nice pictures FFTT. The Dell not bad, but not convinced. What is the monitor next to the Dell and then the next PC?

[Cooknn]

My workspace.
I waited a year before my financial situation was right to purchase that ACD. Worth the wait ;)
http://www.listing360.com/temp/acd.jpg

[FFTT]

Nice pictures FFTT. The Dell not bad, but not convinced. What is the monitor next to the Dell and then the next PC?

The monitor to the right of my Dell is my 7 year old 17" Sony Multiscan200ES
The CPU to the right is my 7 year old beige 300 MHz G3 minitower.

[Kerry Sanders]

My workspace.
I waited a year before my financial situation was right to purchase that ACD. Worth the wait ;)

Now that is sweet! Which LCD do you have there? I ordered the 20" Cinema display with my Power Mac. It is here, but the system will not be here until Tuesday or Wednesday. :(

[fiercetiger224]

My workspace.
I waited a year before my financial situation was right to purchase that ACD. Worth the wait ;)
http://www.listing360.com/temp/acd.jpg

Woooow! That's pretty! *drools* Now I wanna buy one... :-( I'm still saving money for one...Hopefully I'll be able to buy one by next month!

And for all you folks trying to decide between a Dell and an Apple display: if you're on a budget and want extras, go for the Dell, and if you're a "professional" and an Apple loyalist, of course go for the Apple Cinema Displays! Or just make your OWN choice; don't let anyone else tell you what to buy with your own money! This is especially important if you're talking to APPLE LOYALISTS here in MacRumors. :-D Because I happen to be one of those people... :)

[Cooknn]

Now that is sweet! Which LCD do you have there?It's a 23" ;)

[FFTT]

That really is a beautiful Apple 23" setup, no doubt!

No one here can argue about the ACD's curb appeal.

I was honestly ready to go for a 20" Apple @ $699 education,
until I found out that I could get the 24" Dell WS with more features, 3 year warranty and better specifications for less than $900 shipped.

When I considered the Apple 23" @ $1499 education, I simply couldn't
justify the extra $600 for the design.

Please also consider that I'm POOR and I also just spent another $1941.00
on the G5 2.0 dually.

I tried here to show a somewhat straight on view to illustrate one good feature. At normal working distance, the edges nearly disapper into the background of your visable workspace.
I also can't wait to try the picture in picture and picture by picture features once I have the time.
http://img20.echo.cx/img20/9878/dell2405fpw8lh.jpg

Please forgive the lack of photography skills!

[Kerry Sanders]

It's a 23" ;)

Very nice. I did not have the extra money for the 23" Cinema display. That is something that I can always upgrade in the future. Since I will have the Radeon 9650 on my Power Mac, I can go for the upgrade to the 30". (as he yells to his wife about his birthday coming up Monday) :D

[wdlove]

Very nice. I did not have the extra money for the 23" Cinema display. That is something that I can always upgrade in the future. Since I will have the Radeon 9650 on my Power Mac, I can go for the upgrade to the 30". (as he yells to his wife about his birthday coming up Monday) :D

Maybe it shouldn't have been a yell to the wife. She might surprise you with something nice eon your birthday. A 30" would be awesome. Happy Birthday. ;)

[mousemd]

see the title, but seriously...I can't get it for less than $1000...are you applying certain coupons? Edu discount?

:confused:

[Kerry Sanders]

Maybe it shouldn't have been a yell to the wife. She might surprise you with something nice eon your birthday. A 30" would be awesome. Happy Birthday. ;)

The 30" display reference was a joke, unfortunately, since I just ordered the Mac last week. My 20" Cinema display is already here. It would be nice to have the 30" display, but that will have to be an upgrade goal down the road. Hopefully I can get her switched in the coming months and I can order a new machine for her. Maybe I could squeeze in that 30" display or something. :D

[FFTT]

see the title, but seriously...I can't get it for less than $1000...are you applying certain coupons? Edu discount?

:confused:

Your school or business must have a Dell membership ID#
to take advantage of Dell's discounts.
You won't see these discounted prices posted openly on thier
web pages. You'll have to call and speak with a rep by phone.

[wdlove]

The 30" display reference was a joke, unfortunately, since I just ordered the Mac last week. My 20" Cinema display is already here. It would be nice to have the 30" display, but that will have to be an upgrade goal down the road. Hopefully I can get her switched in the coming months and I can order a new machine for her. Maybe I could squeeze in that 30" display or something. :D

Luckily my wife and I came to Apple together. Actually I think she mentioned it first. Still an Apple family since 1983. Hopefully your wife will want to switch soon, can't imagine that she hasn't seen the advantages. Just think maybe the sooner she's convinced the sooner that 30" will be on the way. Good luck.

Also 37th Birthday Kerry, you are just a Spring Chicken. ;)

[MontyZ]

(photos of DELL monitor)
Wow, that Dell monitor actually looks better than I expected. Nice low-profile frame, although the base looks a bit clunky, but, otherwise, not as bad as I expected and others claim.

[MontyZ]

The "pink tint" is not the only problem with Apple's 23" displays, by the way. There are several other defects that seem to be on all of them, such as washed out edges along the left and ride sides, dingy yellow edges, color inconsistencies, banding near the center and ghosting that gets worse as time passes. It doesn't matter when the monitor was made or what the serial number is. They're all defective.

So, be wary about getting on of these monitors until Apple addresses the defects. I had two 23" ACDs. While I loved the design of the monitor itself, they do not perform as advertised at all, and I had to return both of them.

[Kerry Sanders]

So, be wary about getting on of these monitors until Apple addresses the defects. I had two 23" ACDs. While I loved the design of the monitor itself, they do not perform as advertised at all, and I had to return both of them.

Does anyone know if the 20" cinema displays have this same problem or is this only an issue with the 23" ACD?

[Cooknn]

The "pink tint" is not the only problem with Apple's 23" displays, by the way. There are several other defects that seem to be on all of them, such as washed out edges along the left and ride sides, dingy yellow edges, color inconsistencies, banding near the center and ghosting that gets worse as time passes. It doesn't matter when the monitor was made or what the serial number is. They're all defective.

So, be wary about getting on of these monitors until Apple addresses the defects. I had two 23" ACDs. While I loved the design of the monitor itself, they do not perform as advertised at all, and I had to return both of them.I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, because I was in the same camp until I got my new 23". I went through two 20" ACD's (pre aluminum) with stuck and dead pixels and got a bad taste in my mouth because of it. After all the problems I read about I was VERY apprehensive about buying another. I purposefully bought my new ACD at CompUSA so that I could have 21 days to return it if there were any problems. I even spent an extra $159 for the "insurance policy".

Got it home and as I mentioned before it's perfect. No pink tint, no washed out edges, no banding, and no dead or stuck pixels. They are not all defective, but I will say that it's a crap shoot. I got lucky.

[MontyZ]

Does anyone know if the 20" cinema displays have this same problem or is this only an issue with the 23" ACD?
I can't say from experience, but, from what I've seen on Apple's boards, there have been a LOT more problems with the 23" displays than there have been with the 20" or even the 30" displays.

[MontyZ]

Got it home and as I mentioned before it's perfect. No pink tint, no washed out edges, no banding, and no dead or stuck pixels. They are not all defective, but I will say that it's a crap shoot. I got lucky.
Yes, you did get VERY lucky. I bought two 23" displays and had them both replaced twice (so, I've had a total of 6 displays) and all were bad. Some worse than others, but, all had defects. I'm off Apple displays right now, I've had too much bad luck with them and think Apple is shirking their responsibility to fix it.

[wdlove]

Yes, you did get VERY lucky. I bought two 23" displays and had them both replaced twice (so, I've had a total of 6 displays) and all were bad. Some worse than others, but, all had defects. I'm off Apple displays right now, I've had too much bad luck with them and think Apple is shirking their responsibility to fix it.

I have heard of these problems for a while now. Surprised that Apple hasn't fixed it by now.

[YS2003]

Yes, you did get VERY lucky. I bought two 23" displays and had them both replaced twice (so, I've had a total of 6 displays) and all were bad. Some worse than others, but, all had defects. I'm off Apple displays right now, I've had too much bad luck with them and think Apple is shirking their responsibility to fix it.

It seems 23" ACD is a mixed bag, while overall consensus on 20" & 30" is very positive. Is there a way to find out if Apple's ACD manufacturer has done corrective actions to remedy the manufacturing or design flaws now? Or, is it reasonable to assume there has not been any change in manufacturing/design at the facotry for 23" ACD? I already have a 20" ACD and I am looking for a little larger wide screen ACD (so 23" ACD is a good candidate). I can go for a Dell 24"; but, I like ACD because it does not have any vent.

[Cooknn]

It seems 23" ACD is a mixed bag, while overall consensus on 20" & 30" is very positive. Is there a way to find out if Apple's ACD manufacturer has done corrective actions to remedy the manufacturing or design flaws now? Or, is it reasonable to assume there has not been any change in manufacturing/design at the facotry for 23" ACD? I already have a 20" ACD and I am looking for a little larger wide screen ACD (so 23" ACD is a good candidate). I can go for a Dell 24"; but, I like ACD because it does not have any vent.Do you have a CompUSA (http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?product_code=314280&pfp=BROWSE) in your area? My local store said they have a 21 day return policy. Take one home and see if it works for you. If you favor the ACD, I think you owe it to yourself to give it a chance.

[MontyZ]

I have heard of these problems for a while now. Surprised that Apple hasn't fixed it by now.
Me too! They dropped the ball on this one.

[MontyZ]

Is there a way to find out if Apple's ACD manufacturer has done corrective actions to remedy the manufacturing or design flaws now?
Not that I'm aware of. Apple has said nothing, even their tech reps in AppleCare pretend as though they've never heard of this problem before. Duh! Just read your own forums! But reports that are allowed to remain in the Apple forums indicate there are still people getting defective equipment.

[Cooknn]

Me too! They dropped the ball on this one.Hey, I have to come clean on something here. I just calibrated my monitor and although I didn't notice it before, I did indeed notice a push toward red/pink - which I successfully adjusted. I thought it looked great before. It looks even better now :)

[MontyZ]

Hey, I have to come clean on something here. I just calibrated my monitor and although I didn't notice it before, I did indeed notice a push toward red/pink - which I successfully adjusted. I thought it looked great before. It looks even better now :)
What about the other defects this display has -- do you see those? My 23" ACDs did not have the pink cast problem either, they both had the dingy-yellow edges (left/right) and the color fades out along the left/right, too.

How do the blue-and-white lines in iTunes Library look when you expand the window to the full width of the monitor? Is the color of the light-blue shading in the list consistent from edge to edge, or does it fade out to white or gray along the edges?

[Cooknn]

What about the other defects this display has -- do you see those? My 23" ACDs did not have the pink cast problem either, they both had the dingy-yellow edges (left/right) and the color fades out along the left/right, too.No problems on the edges with this one.How do the blue-and-white lines in iTunes Library look when you expand the window to the full width of the monitor? Is the color of the light-blue shading in the list consistent from edge to edge, or does it fade out to white or gray along the edges?The blue lines in the iTunes playlist are already pretty light, but indeed they do get a bit lighter on the extreme left side of the display. The right side is fine. For another example though, I expanded my Quicken window which also uses blue and white lines in the register, albeit a darker blue. The change is not perceptive.

My standards are pretty high and I'm extatic about this display. I could still take it back but I won't. For my eyes it's perfect and it was worth every dime.

[MontyZ]

Yes, if the problems are barely noticeable, it could be a keeper. I just hope it doesn't degrade over time, as also seems to happen. I don't mean to be a Debbie Downer, but, these displays have caused me and lots of others so much grief! I'm glad yours is much better. I wish I felt confident enough to try another 23", but, been there done that.

[pgre]

Just got my new 23inch display delivered..

No noticable pink colour mentioned by others, no dead pixels, in fact.. its..

Woooooow ! :D
Nice.. basically.

(The box was open when I go it though..strange.. although everything was still sealed etc.. the delivery guy said I better check it while he was there since he did't think there was anything in the box.. since even though the box is huge the display is really light.)

[Cooknn]

I just hope it doesn't degrade over time, as also seems to happen.That's why I bought the CompUSA extended warranty ;)

[wdlove]

Just got my new 23inch display delivered..

No noticeable pink colour mentioned by others, no dead pixels, in fact.. its..

Woooooow ! :D
Nice.. basically.

(The box was open when I go it though..strange.. although everything was still sealed etc.. the delivery guy said I better check it while he was there since he did't think there was anything in the box.. since even though the box is huge the display is really light.)

That was a lucky thing that happened in that instance. Think it would have given me a sinking feeling in the stomach at first.

Something that has been mentioned many times of the forum, is those that tend to post more often about products are those with a complaint. So it makes it very difficult t know the actual magnitude of the 23" problem. Apple has statistics, but chances are they won't release them.

[YS2003]

I just got an ACD 23" after evaluating other alternatives. I ended up with this model as I was not able to resist the design and display quality an ACD 23" provides. I am pleased to say there is no pink tint, no dead pixels, no stuck pixels, and no defects as far as I inspect closely. I think Apple has fixed those problems. My 15" PB is now connected to this 23" ACD in the clam shell mode and my 20" ACD is coupled with my 12" PB in the display spanning mode.

[abc123]

I just got an ACD 23" after evaluating other alternatives. I ended up with this model as I was not able to resist the design and display quality an ACD 23" provides. I am pleased to say there is no pink tint, no dead pixels, no stuck pixels, and no defects as far as I inspect closely. I think Apple has fixed those problems. My 15" PB is now connected to this 23" ACD in the clam shell mode and my 20" ACD is coupled with my 12" PB in the display spanning mode.
does the 12" do a good job with the 20" and have you tried it with the 23"?
i have couple of thousand dollars coming my way soon and since my overseas plans fell though i'm going to blow it on a display. only i can't decide which one.

[YS2003]

does the 12" do a good job with the 20" and have you tried it with the 23"?
i have couple of thousand dollars coming my way soon and since my overseas plans fell though i'm going to blow it on a display. only i can't decide which one.

The Al 12" PB supports 20" and 23" ACD equally well as long as it has a mini DVI port. I think the recent 12" model will come with Nvidia 5200 card which is decent for a portable notebook computer and have an ample power to support native resolutions for 20" and 23" models. The reason I am using 23" with my 15" is I am using 15" mostly at home as a desk top (even though it is sitting on iCurve off the desk). As a desktop replace, it deserves a larger screen.

My 12" model will come with me when I travel (usually 2 to 4 nights per trip); so, it will stay less time than my 15" at home. That is the only reason for coupling 12" with 20" ACD. I don't want to plug in and out too many times as I want to prevent wear and tear.

Now my desk is full and no space and I had to move my Ti PB to the next desk which is also full with 2 notebooks with all those accessories such as LaCie external hard drives. At this moment, I have reached the point I cannot buy anthing else for now unless I open up the desktop real estate.

[abc123]

excellent, i was only asking because i've heard a few reports that the 12" runs the 23" a bit choppy.
thanks for giving me such a detailed answer :)

[FFTT]

With most specifications between the Apple 23" and the Dell 24" being
relatively equal, I must be objective about one major design issue that is not
merely cosmetic.

The passive venting slots in the back of the Dell display may eventually cause
dust accumulation issues inside the display housing while the Apple displays
are virtually a sealed system.

http://img214.echo.cx/img214/4030/appleback5rp.jpg
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/images/products/mv_large/22_dp_t6133.jpg

There will be some tradeoffs between these two displays given the $600
price difference, but this is something you must decide for yourself.

[MontyZ]

Those of you who just got 23" ACDs and say there are no noticeable defects, can you post the first six characters from the serial number here? I'm curious to see when they were manufactured. But, it seems like a lot of people who claim there are no problems actually do have defective monitors and just can't see it.

[YS2003]

I just bought a 23" ACD. It is perfect. Now I can enjoy clear and crisp images on 20" and 23" for my PBs. My 23" does not have any dead pixel nor any tint. The first six digit of the serious # is 2A5042. I got it at CompUSA because of its return policy and that chain only carry a few ACDs so you can bet they have a fresh supply from Apple. You can see my both ACDs in the Picture form on this board (under PowerBook set up thread).

[YS2003]

With most specifications between the Apple 23" and the Dell 24" being
relatively equal, I must be objective about one major design issue that is not
merely cosmetic.

The passive venting slots in the back of the Dell display may eventually cause
dust accumulation issues inside the display housing while the Apple displays
are virtually a sealed system.

http://images.apple.com/displays/gallery/images/back20050427.jpg
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/images/products/mv_large/22_dp_t6133.jpg

There will be some tradeoffs between these two displays given the $600
price difference, but this is something you must decide for yourself.

I also considered that when I picked an Apple 23" ACD. I was leaning toward Dell 24" because it is cheaper. But, after comparing 23" ACD with Dell 24", I came to the conclusion I want the best design/package for my LCD. I totally agree those vents on the Dell will take a toll on the unit longevity, unless you have 10 air cleaners running in your room (I am running 3 air cleaners in my room and there is still some dust on my desk).

[Kerry Sanders]

The passive venting slots in the back of the Dell display may eventually cause dust accumulation issues inside the display housing while the Apple displays are virtually a sealed system.


Because of this, you would think that the Apple displays would get very warm, but I do not find this to be the case. I used mine for about 8 hours straight yesterday without turning it off or putting it to sleep. I felt of it right before going to bed and it was cool to the touch. Apple has definitely done something right.

[wdlove]

Because of this, you would think that the Apple displays would get very warm, but I do not find this to be the case. I used mine for about 8 hours straight yesterday without turning it off or putting it to sleep. I felt of it right before going to bed and it was cool to the touch. Apple has definitely done something right.

That is good news to hear. Again Apple represents quality.

[FFTT]

My guess is that the Apple displays use the casing as a heat sink to help with passive cooling.

This does not however justify nearly double the price tag between the Apple 23" and the Dell 24"

The Apple 23" simply should not have any quality control issues when you consider the premium you pay for their design.

In my situation, that price difference allows me to own a great 24" display with a standard 3 year warranty AND also purchase a good M-Audio 1814 F/W audio interface so I can actually soon begin to use my system for it's intended purpose.

[MontyZ]

The two 23" Apple displays I had did get quite warm when on for a few hours, they weren't what I would consider cool by any means. It is mostly a completely closed case, unlike the Dell.

[FFTT]

The Dell 24" is just slightly warm on the top rear, but nothing remarkable.

Please note that I did not post in favor of the Dell 24" to put down the
Apple 23"

The Apple 23" is beautiful, but the Dell 24' offers a considerable value
as well for those on tighter budgets.

Both displays are a pleasure to use with any Apple CPU and OSX

[MontyZ]

Both displays are a pleasure to use with any Apple CPU and OSX
I'm very close to buying the Dell, as Apple has done nothing about the 23" defects. Is the brightness a problem on the Dell? I've seen people say it's just VERY bright, even when turned down to the lowest level. How do you find it?

[JackSYi]

I will be buying a 20" by the end of this summer along with my newly traded 12" Powerbook!

[YS2003]

I'm very close to buying the Dell, as Apple has done nothing about the 23" defects. Is the brightness a problem on the Dell? I've seen people say it's just VERY bright, even when turned down to the lowest level. How do you find it?
I think Apple fixed that problem with the 23". I have a new 23" and it is a perfect LCD monitor money can buy. No dead pixel, no stuck pixel, no pink tints.

[TheGimp]

Just picked up a 23" Apple Display yesterday. $1299 edu. I'm somewhat in a state of shock, since the biggest screen I had previously owned was the 17" Apple Display (upgraded from a 15" just 1 year before). Putzing around at 1920x1200 certainly reveals the limitations of a dual 1.8 w/Radeon 9800 SE, but the HDTV 720P and 1080i content looks incredible (the latter ever so slightly shy of the broadcast 24fps). While I don't game much on a mac (have a PSP now), it was really "trippy" playing Battlefield 1942 and Halo at full resolution. Doom 3 was somewhat choppy at 1600x1200, but at least I can see now why some people consider Doom 3 "so immersive".

You know, the funny thing is that it wasn't until after owning the display for a day, when I came back from the bathroom to see Panther's built-in "cosmos" screensaver just sprawling out on my desk, that I really bonded with my new purchase.

Never thought a chump like me would get to own one of these things.

[aswitcher]

Just picked up a 23" Apple Display yesterday. $1299 edu. SNIP

Never thought a chump like me would get to own one of these things.


I really want to own a big screen like this one day. Sigh.

[FFTT]

Just picked up a 23" Apple Display yesterday. $1299 edu. I'm somewhat in a state of shock, since the biggest screen I had previously owned was the 17" Apple Display (upgraded from a 15" just 1 year before). Putzing around at 1920x1200 certainly reveals the limitations of a dual 1.8 w/Radeon 9800 SE, but the HDTV 720P and 1080i content looks incredible (the latter ever so slightly shy of the broadcast 24fps). While I don't game much on a mac (have a PSP now), it was really "trippy" playing Battlefield 1942 and Halo at full resolution. Doom 3 was somewhat choppy at 1600x1200, but at least I can see now why some people consider Doom 3 "so immersive".

You know, the funny thing is that it wasn't until after owning the display for a day, when I came back from the bathroom to see Panther's built-in "cosmos" screensaver just sprawling out on my desk, that I really bonded with my new purchase.

Never thought a chump like me would get to own one of these things.


Yes indeed, it certainly is easy to feel spoiled ROTTEN with all this screen real estate coming up from my Sony 17" CRT.
I've been playing with a few fantastic display wallpapers and it just kicks butt watching a movie hooked up through my sound console.

At least we're able to help others decide with these reviews.

In my humble opinion the 5 best choices out there for price/performance

in order of affordability are:

Dell 20" 2005 FPW ( Prices vary $400 - $550)
Apple 20" cinema display $699-$799
Dell 24" 2405 FPW HD display (Prices vary ALOT! $799-$1049)
Apple 23" HD cinema display $1299-$1499
Apple 30" HD cinema display . $2699 education

[TheGimp]

Yes indeed, it certainly is easy to feel spoiled ROTTEN with all this screen real estate coming up from my Sony 17" CRT.
I've been playing with a few fantastic display wallpapers and it just kicks butt watching a movie hooked up through my sound console.

At least we're able to help others decide with these reviews.

In my humble opinion the 5 best choices out there for price/performance

in order of affordability are:

Dell 20" 2005 FPW ( Prices vary $400 - $550)
Apple 20" cinema display $699-$799
Dell 24" 2405 FPW HD display (Prices vary ALOT! $799-$1049)
Apple 23" HD cinema display $1299-$1499
Apple 30" HD cinema display . $2699 education


Let me warn you not to watch any HDTV or h.264 clips, if you haven't done so already and plan to enjoy DVDs on your new screen. After seeing the HD movie trailers, and a 5 minute Lord of the Rings clip, I had such a headache trying to watch some DVDs. They were so blurry and pixellated. The day I bought the screen I spent the night at my gf's place since she lives near the Apple Store. The next day after I took the display home she called up complaining that something was wrong with her digital cable TV. She had only watched a handful of H.264 clips on my screen -10-15 minutes total - but I guess that was enough to recalibrate her brain to a higher definition setpoint.

As for the 23" Apple Display's value relative to competing products, I factored in Apple's high resell value (as if I would ever sell it!), due both to the name and the slick low-footprint design, into my decision to spend the extra couple hundred.

In hindsight though I probably would have been just as happy with the Apple 20" at $700 edu. 1600x1200 turns out to be where it's at for my needs. Even though I hardly ever play Doom 3, I was pleased to find out that it plays about as well at 1600x1200 on my dual 1.8/Radeon 9800se as it did at 1280x1024.

Gotta check out the "Marine Aquarium" screensaver at 1920x1200!

[wdlove]

I saw a refurb 30" listed at the Apple Store yesterday for $2299. Suppose that as long as one purchased it will a G5 Power Mac and AppleCare, what a great deal.