High School football! yeeeaaaaa!

[wake up Jobs!!!]

WOW!!!!!!!! I just got back from my 4th game in our killian cougars highschool team. I play o-line ( second string) , and I havnt played in a game yet, but tonight we played varella high, and we were beating the **** out of them 46-0 at there house, and coach was looking for me , on the sidelines, and he put me in, but on d-line! I didnt care what I was playing simply because this was the first time I had ever been in !!!!!!!!! I was so happy and overjoyed when I got in the huddle that I didnt pay attention to the play ( it didnt matter because coach said just to pass rush) , now since in practice I practice on o-line, I was not to up to pace on the d-line form , so I looked like a o-linemen playing a o-linemen until I realized that I was playing D, so I eluded my defender blocking my ( the right guard), who could not block for ****, and preceded to help gang-tackle the running-back behind the line of scrimage!!!!!!! I was so overjoyed, just to get in the game. who here remembers the first time they got in thier high school football game and there jitters. Next week is going to be a game and coach said that If I practice good , I will get to play early, possibly , start! This is because our center on o-line is injured so they will put me at guard and put the guard at center.
Post away!
P.s. MacAztec, put in your story about the first time you played this year, I think you said you were quarterback.

P.P.S. oh and I forgot tommorw is sprints, we all will probably have to run 80-30es (AZtec know what im talking about:rolleyes: )


-GaBe-O

[scem0]

When I saw o-line at the top, I thought it was a type for 'on-line' and I was like...

[job]

That's pretty harsh man.

Congrats on your game wake up..

[MacAztec]

Its great...isnt it. I play Quarterback for my team, and sometimes cornerback. We play the Palm Springs Wildcats on Friday night, I think we will nail em

We practice a lot, a lot, a LOT! Every day from 2:30 to 6:30, Saturdays from 7AM to 11AM. Hehe, I think thats why were so good. We played the Central Spartans last Thursday, and own 23-0. Our Varsity beat them at our house, 62-0!

[MacAztec]

I forgot, my first Game/Scrimmage was against Cathedral City. I was so nervous, but once I got in, I didn't think about anything, I just....did what I did. It was cool, i had a touchdown pass, few run touchdowns, and stuff like that. We won like 48-13 or something.

Jobs...I'm not sure what 80-30es are, but the worst thing we do are gasers:eek:

Everyone lines up on the sideline, and you sprint from one sideline, to the other, touch the line, sprint back, touch the line, sprint back, touch the line, and then run through the line. So its from sideline to sideline 4 times. 55 yards each way. It sucks. After one practice where someone said something too loud about the band, and the band director heard, we ran 15 gasers, did 150 up-downs, and did 8 laps around the field, in a fast moving foot, but slow running pace.

Man, thats harsh!:D

[G4scott]

Originally posted by MacAztec
After one practice where someone said something too loud about the band, and the band director heard, we ran 15 gasers, did 150 up-downs, and did 8 laps around the field, in a fast moving foot, but slow running pace.

Man, thats harsh!:D

That's right... Respect the band :cool: :p

My school's football team is ok, I guess... We lost our first three non-district games, and won our first district game. We beat the other guys 35 to 0. I don't know how we did it...

The band on the other hand, is doing just fine. We just got new uniforms in this week, and being the uniform manager, I am very busy with them, but it's fun... This Friday is homecoming, and the first game we get to wear the new uniforms... Maybe I'll post a pic of the old ones and the new ones, and ask which ones look better...

Anyways, good luck with football.

[job]

Hey, do you know anyone from the Woodlands High Band? :p

[wake up Jobs!!!]

Originally posted by MacAztec

Jobs...I'm not sure what 80-30es are, but the worst thing we do are gasers:eek:



Oh Aztec, I guess you guys dont do this, but 80-30es are 80 count them 80 30-yard sprints nonstop every thursday (day after the games ,usually) our coaches are making us all very diciplined on and off the feild. also, I dont know if you have this aztec, but we here in miami have green monday, (aka hell) were we run 20 , 100 yard sprints 100 updowns , 100 situps, pushups (in full pads) and what ever else the coaches want, also dont forget, that even though it is fall, it is still 90-plus degrees every practice:eek: . down here football is bigtime, i mean really big, just like your region aztec. (also, just to motavate you, more quarterbacks have come out of the palm springs area then any other place in the country , so keep with it) down here a U.M. representitive is at practice every day to scout , and they are looking at a couplle of our players (two o-line, qb and rb) who are all all-state. well enough with that, coach said today that Im stealling starting jobs from the o-linemen and d-line too. he said i could start this season:eek: and ive been here only 5-weeks!!!!!!!!! im working harder than people that have been here more than a year or even two. but i dont know if im ready. well see:rolleyes:

-GaBe-O

[MacAztec]

We dont do those 30s or Green Mondays, hehe.

Think 90 degrees is hot? I bet it is for your area. During hell week down here, it was about 118 degrees, every single day. And when it was cloudy, it was 110, but so humid you couldn't breathe. Lol. Now, its about 102-108 every day, so it cooled off a lil

[scem0]

I'm the only guy I know that doesn't know the rules to football. I have never watched football. Seems stupid to me, I prefer things that require more talent (I have a feeling I am going to get flamed now) such as diving (on a diving board :D), gymnastics, and things where talent is clearly shown. I guess I am just obsessed with things involving flipping, that includes Kung Fu... :D

[MacAztec]

Originally posted by scem0
I'm the only guy I know that doesn't know the rules to football. I have never watched football. Seems stupid to me, I prefer things that require more talent (I have a feeling I am going to get flamed now) such as diving (on a diving board :D), gymnastics, and things where talent is clearly shown. I guess I am just obsessed with things involving flipping, that includes Kung Fu... :D

Wow....

You are getting flamed.

Football requires the most talent out of most sports I have ever played. You have to be in tip-top shape, be physically AND mentally strong, smart, quick on the feet, and so on.

Now lets dive off a board...keep your body strait, put your arms up, toes pointed....wow

[funkywhat2]

Originally posted by scem0
I'm the only guy I know that doesn't know the rules to football. I have never watched football. Seems stupid to me, I prefer things that require more talent (I have a feeling I am going to get flamed now) such as diving (on a diving board :D), gymnastics, and things where talent is clearly shown. I guess I am just obsessed with things involving flipping, that includes Kung Fu... :D

we should meet, i feel the same way.

i used to fence foil, but that went away about a year ago. i'm hoping to get back into it, once i can pick up my grades (priorities, priorities.) as any fencer can tell you, the sport in general requires a lot in the way of stamina, more or less depending on what you fence (foil, sabre and eppe(?)), but i like it.

kung foo is great, but i watch it more so for comedy reasons (the poor dubbing, etc)

[dotcomlarry]

Yeah, well, all of us here in Miami *know* that SUNSET is the best! :rolleyes: j/k

[bousozoku]

Originally posted by MacAztec


Wow....

You are getting flamed.

Football requires the most talent out of most sports I have ever played. You have to be in tip-top shape, be physically AND mentally strong, smart, quick on the feet, and so on.

Now lets dive off a board...keep your body strait, put your arms up, toes pointed....wow

:::plays devil's advocate:::

Seems to me that, in American Football (a.k.a. Rugby with padding), the Quarterback has to be smart and fast and the blockers have to be, ummm, in the way. :D

[scem0]

Originally posted by MacAztec


Wow....

You are getting flamed.

Football requires the most talent out of most sports I have ever played. You have to be in tip-top shape, be physically AND mentally strong, smart, quick on the feet, and so on.

Now lets dive off a board...keep your body strait, put your arms up, toes pointed....wow

AHAHAHAH funniest thing I have ever heard. Look at all divers, gymnasts, and football players bodies. Some football players will be all muscle, some will have fat, but all in all they will all be different. You have to have 0 % body fat, and actually have to be in tip top shape. Being a High level Kung Fu artist requires more mental and physical stamina then any sport I know. Kung Fu experts are the strongest, most powerful, and wisest people I know. A LOT of Football players aren't 'quick on their feet'.

I took diving for about 5 years, and it requires sooooo much work. I couldn't do all the work, and keep up my grades so I quit. But it is extremely hard.... Right when I got to pre-nationals, I decided that there is no way I could do this. Diving is a very mental sport. You have to come off the board with confidence. You have to use your adrenaline to jump higher, and spin faster. You have to visualize your dive beforehand. It requires extremely strong leg, stomach, and arm muscles - not to mention a great balance. If you lined up a whole bunch of football players, and put them next to a whole bunch of divers and took a poll on who looked healthier I could guerantee you that the winner would be the divers.

Any sport requires you to be in good shape, including football. But Badmitton requires you to be in good shape too - I wouldn't call badmitton a sport that requires a lot of skill... You have to watch diving in the olympics to truly know how much mental and physical strength it takes to pull off a 3 and a half with 2 twists off a 10 meter platform.... Jumping off scares me.

Also, watch wushu kung fu tricks. Such as 720 hook kicks, butterfly kicks, moon kicks, and many more. They will stun you. A football player could only dream of doing that. No football player could ever do wushu Kung Fu with as much extra bulk as they have. A truly healthy person would have no body fat and a lot better balance and stamina.

[blackpeter]

Let's not start this debate. I don't even think Football can win over a similar sport, like Rugby, where you do most of the same things as a football player (without pads) and you run all the time, like in soccer.

BUT - if you're asking which is the best sport overall, I'd say (without a doubt) FOOTBALL!

[P-Worm]

Originally posted by tfaz1
Let's not start this debate. I don't even think Football can win over a similar sport, like Rugby, where you do most of the same things as a football player (without pads) and you run all the time, like in soccer.

BUT - if you're asking which is the best sport overall, I'd say (without a doubt) FOOTBALL!

No way, it's between Debate Team and the Chess team. Now they have muscles!

P-Worm

[scem0]

It just makes me mad that someone could think that football requires more skill then diving... You have definitely never dived b4. I played football for a year so i know..

[MacAztec]

What a sport....how exciting....

"So, what did you do yesterday?"

"Oh, I wen't to the diving competition......"

yea, right....

[MacAztec]

Originally posted by scem0


Also, watch wushu kung fu tricks. Such as 720 hook kicks, butterfly kicks, moon kicks, and many more. They will stun you. A football player could only dream of doing that. No football player could ever do wushu Kung Fu with as much extra bulk as they have. A truly healthy person would have no body fat and a lot better balance and stamina.

Thats the thing...nobody cares, or tries to do Kung Foo. No kung foo man could ever tackel a 250lb 6% strong as hell running back, could they. Maybe if they did a moon walk and jumped a flying terd at em. Maybe...

[scem0]

You see, thats the thing.... HE COULD! He wouldn't use his own body weight, he would his own momentum, the momentum of the person he is attacking, and the weight of the person he is attacking against them. It's called Judo....

You should research it, it is really interesting and fun to watch. EG a l100 pound girl knocking over a 200 pound man.

And diving is very exciting. I've been to many a diving competition that I was not participating in. I wasn't ever bored.... And nobody there was ever bored....

[Biggles]

ok, all of u guys fighting over what sport is harder are ridiculous. If you want to be the best, every sport requires the same amount of dedication and concentration.

There is no "easy" sport, or a "hard" one when you play at a high level. This is because many people can learn the sports that can be figured out quickly (like football, soccer, or baseball), but if u want to stand out, you have to become amazing at that sport. Meanwhile, in less popular sports (and im saying this very vaguely) like diving, you have a better chance of standing out due to less competition.

I personally think diving requires more skill, but that is exactly the reason why it is less popular. Therefore, less popularity = less competition.

[diorio]

First of all, while Football may be the most popular sport, it is definately not the hardest. If you are big, you can play football without being in great shape. How much shape does it take to sprint for less than ten seconds (1 play) and then stop and rest for 30 seconds? I'm not saying I don't like football, I'm just saying that numerous sports are harder. Wrestling, crosscountry, swimming, are all very demanding sports. It irritates me when at my school, the football team still gets all the recognition even though they suck. I run 50 miles a week on the crosscountry team, my team wins the meets, and yet the "big bad football team" still gets all the recognition. The football team gets new helmets, new uniforms, and we are running in uniforms from the 80's. Football is a great sport, but so are the other ones too.

[vniow]

Football sux.
Diving sux.
Sports in gereral suck.
The only REAL contests are drag competitions.

And no, I'm not talking about racing.:)

[diorio]

You're pretty freaky! So, do you go around public in drag?

[vniow]

Originally posted by diorio
You're pretty freaky! So, do you go around public in drag?


Honey, I'm more of a woman than you will ever know.:p

[diorio]

Cool, cool. :p

[scem0]

I personally think diving requires more skill, but that is exactly the reason why it is less popular. Therefore, less popularity = less competition.

True True.

Football sux.
Diving sux.
Sports in gereral suck.
The only REAL contests are drag competitions.

And no, I'm not talking about racing.

Not true, Not true.

First of all, while Football may be the most popular sport, it is definately not the hardest. If you are big, you can play football without being in great shape.

Very true.


It irritates me when at my school, the football team still gets all the recognition even though they suck. I run 50 miles a week on the crosscountry team, my team wins the meets, and yet the "big bad football team" still gets all the recognition. The football team gets new helmets, new uniforms, and we are running in uniforms from the 80's. Football is a great sport, but so are the other ones too.

I know exactly how you feel.... very irratating.

[bousozoku]

The newspaper here in Orlando barely ever runs any h.s. sports in the sports section. They're far too busy brown-nosing the professionals. The most they've cared about h.s. sports is Ty Tryon who was recently in h.s. but gone to PGA prep. skool and then there's Arnold Palmer's grandson. The fact that the newspaper co-produces a h.s. sports t.v. show doesn't seem to help the listings at all.

I've noticed that the t.v. show is more advertising than show and rarely talks about anything but Football, Basketball, or Baseball. They devote time to weightlifting which is considered a sport, but, in reality, seems to just be part of the training for a "real" sport. Other sports are dumped into a section called "The Best of the Rest" which pretty much says that they don't count.

Of course, finesse rarely counts in Orlando anyway, so it probably doesn't matter at all.

[G4scott]

Screw football and diving... Lets hear it for the marching band!!! :p

Marching band may not be as strenuous or as physically demanding as football, but having to stand straight, keep good posture, and be outside in the hot sun for 2 hours (without water!!!) can be a hard task for some football players at my school... Besides, the band also plays their instruments, which means you have to have good coordination (and I'm talking eye, hand, foot coordination, not just eye hand...)

Of course my school's football team gets tons of recognition, but other sports also get their slice of the cake... Heck, I was band freak of the week x2 this past week... Being uniform manager, and having to fit the whole band for new uniforms within an entire week 3 weeks before our big contest while we still had to practice is hard. But I got the job done... And the uniforms look "dead sexy" :eek: :p :D ;) :cool:

Of course, being a band freak is part of who I am... That, and my dad and grandpa are both band directors...

But it's up to each individual to decide which sport he/she thinks is better. They're just opinions, and we each have one, no matter how ugly or nasty they may be (just remember we all have assholes, no matter how ugly or nasty they may be :eek: :( )

[mnkeybsness]

everyone needs to hear the song "highschool football hero" by AFI

[vniow]

Band, diving, football, blah.

You've never had to spend hours in a very uncomfortable chair applying layer upon layer of makeup and making sure your eyebrows are plucked perfectly (one hair out of place can take a few points off.:eek: )

Plus you have to make sure you have absolutely NO facial hair.
(You get extra points if you trim other places though.:eek:;))

Try standing up in front of a mirrors for hours while this incredibly cute guy makes sure your dress size is right.

Try perfectly strutting across the stage in 7-inch stilleto heels while countless other contestants judge and hiss at you, pointing out that your boobs are lopsided.


Try spending hours in stores looking for that perfect wig when you discover that youre going to have to have one custom made to match your eyes.

You sports and band geeks have no idea what it takes to be a woman nowadayz.:)

[shadowfax]

rock on!

[scem0]

here here

:D lol :D

I agree that marching band is hard. My girlfriend is in marching band, and she has to devote a whole bunch of time for marching. I wouldn't want to do it... Diving is more fun :D.

[wake up Jobs!!!]

wow I a have to say is you dont know how tough or easy football is until you try it, so for all of you people who are saying football is for babys or non athletic people, why dont you go out and exercise at practice with a football team on a saturday two a day, when it is 100 degrees out!I do it, and so does MacAztec . You all have the talk , but can you walk the walk . I can respect things like marching band, because im in band (not marching, but jazz) and various other sports , but you have not endurered ANY thing until you have gone through football! I got to go , cause I am going to the gran prix americas in downtown miami!!!!!!

rock on!

-GaBe-O

[scem0]

speak for yourself. You have never dived, you don't know how hard it is... I played football, and I dived, and I can tell you that diving is harder without any hesitation. Diving is much more taxing on your body (but in some ways football is more taxing. You get sore with diving, you get broken bones with football), and it is soooooooooooo much more taxing on your mind. Sometimes you will be thinking about the lead up to your dive so much that you will just jump off the board, and forget to do the dive. It sounds dumb, but it happens a lot. I mean, there is so much that you have to keep in you mind while diving. You have to spin perfectly, you have to flip perfectly, you have to jump perfectly, you have to have your body positioned perfectly, and you have to go into the water straight. Trying to do all of that, when you are doing a handstand on the 10 meter platform, knowing you are about to let yourself fall off of the platform, from you hands, completing 3 spins, and 2 rotations and if you mess up, it will hurt. It is very hard. There are very few who can handle the mental and physical load of diving professionally.

[shadowfax]

man... you guys are apes*** hilarious. things are only as hard as you make them. history doesn't have to be confusing... if you get it from a 10 year old. try listening to a lecture from a PhD though. your understanding--ah, negatory, eh? sorry, ass. diving--well, i can dive into the water... oh, i made it! i'm a damn good diver! that wasn't so hard! compare to the reality of olympic diving--what form, what grace, what attention to the most minute detail of position! and what about football? ah, what a dumbass! he's 350 lb and he just careens into the other dumbass in front of him... who weighs only 290 lb, so the 350 lb guy has the edge--all because he eats more potato chips and pizza! football is for dummies, good god! but wait, there's more. how about the people who live football.. who watch videos of their opponents, study their strategy, learn to control that 350 lb mass like a ballerina--shifting here and there in an amazing instant.

when there is competition on anything, it becomes hard to do. you can always do something better than someone else, and it is always harder. take that to the n, and after a few increments, it gets literally impossible. to be the best at anything, that's pretty hard.

blanket statements like "diving is harder than football" or vice versa don't serve any purpose except to show how horrible you are at analytical thought. it would take years of research and a number of fairly shaky judgments, even then, to decide which waas truly harder than the other. do you really want to waste your ********** time? can't the divers just respect the football players, and the football players do the same to divers? why does everything have to be superior to be good? do you really have to compare yourself and what you do to something else? trust me, fair comparisons show you how INFERIOR you are, not how superior you are. there is always someone superior to you. the same as there is someone inferior to you.
It is very hard. There are very few who can handle the mental and physical load of diving professionally.

of course, scem0... everything is hard at the professional level... did you mean to say football wasn't hard at the professional level? man, that's hilarious. that really reeks of ETHNOCENTRISM. in fact, ethnocentrism isn't entirely bad.. normally it's just an assumption about something you are disconnected from. like the religious practices of the nepalese. you have no idea. i am sure you are making assumptions now though... and that's not bad. it's not important to you. but football... that is an integral part of american culture... you should know enough about that at the pro level to realize it is really competitive... and as i say competition makes things hard. like diving....

can you imagine studying diving and football on the atomic level and trying to get an edge on other players there? you'd have to know about science and stuff, and be a good enough logical thinker to apply that understanding in such a way to give yourself an edge. there's a lot more going on in anything than you think. and just because you can't tell it's going on, doesn't mean it's easy, or even easier than something you're familiar with.

so go have fun diving and throwing pigskins. clutch your little assumptions to your breast, harbor them, disagree with me!

as for me, if i have to choose what's hardest, i am siding with Ms. V. :D

[blackpeter]

I've played Football. I've run Cross-Country.

Trust me, Football is harder.

[shadowfax]

no you psycho, you just don't get it. just because you've done something doesn't mean you're the god of that experience.
why should we trust you? your experience with both is limited to say the least. you haven't lived an breathed either. you haven't put your mind, body, and soul into it. try doing cross country vs. an olympic gold medalist in marathon. try sifting through all the dietary habits you can use to keep yourself in shape. try excercising strenuously all day to keep your endurance up. take it to the extreme. it will get harder.... and harder.... have you had enough? LOL if not do more until you have.

you can make cross country much harder than football. and, in turn, you can make football much harder than cross country.

"sports" are intangible, till you set level of difficulty.

it's pretty easy to beat just about any game on easy. try playing them on "insane." if that's not enough for you, you can always script it to make it harder.

it's all relative. this is a many-variable equation, and you are putting in fake constants in places that are really variable. "oh, i've played football and it's only a little hard. it was pretty easy in fact for me, i just played it when i was in 5th grade."

aren't you special?

and don't anybody argue with me about how they took it to the max--did more than elementary anything. it doesn't fly until you have done the impossible at both things you are comparing. none of you is both a cross country international medalist and a professional football player.

have a preference! i like football better than civing! i think diving is boring. that's just me. that doesn't mean it's easy. how about golf? that looks pretty dumb to me. i don't understand it at all. but that doesn't cheapen how diffucult the sport is.

one day you will wake up and realize that the world doesn't revolve around you. hell, this forum doesn't even revolve around you. just because you have an opinion about something doesn't mean it's right.

[vniow]

I really don't get the point of football.
If I want to watch a bunch of hot, hunky, sweaty guys tackle each other over balls,
I'll watch gay porn.:)

[scem0]

Lol, I don't like to watch either...

What you say is true Shadowfax but not entirely. You are saying a sport is only as hard as you make it. That is true except that a lot of sports you have to try harder to make it big. In diving, there is no body type that makes you a good diver. Sure in basketball if you are 7 feet 5 inches tall you can make it to the NBA, and in football if you are 350 pounds, and can move with the slightest big of agility, you can make it to NFL. Diving, it doesnt matter if you are 4"5' or 6"5', both heights have their advantages. You have to work harder to get to a professional level of diving. Im sure football is harder at pro levels if you are Under 6 foot... and I am sure there are many NFL people who are under 6 foot, but most aren't. You were saying that people look at the strategies used in football. DO you think that people like me don't look at the strategy in diving? Well I can tell you, I had to live that strategy when I was in pre-nationals . I wasn't even to nationals or even internationals, or for that matter olympic diving. I was sooooo sore every day from diving, but I am so glad I did it, and sometimes I am mad that I dropped out. It was very hard, but I am a lot better now in Kung Fu, basketball, and basically everything else because of it. Now ask a person who broke their neck playing football what good being paralized is doing them... What i am trying to say is that it takes more practice, dedication, and skill to get to a pro level of diving, then to get to a pro level of football. So between divers and football players the divers are the more fit, the more dedicated, and have spent so much time being soaking wet that they might as well call themselves ducks and live in water...

[shadowfax]

i am not disrespecting your skill at diving, or assuming that there is no strategy in it. there can be a strategy in every sport, and a very complex strategy at that. at high levels, there HAS to be one, or you just won't get anywhere. the strategy can be a play sequence like in football or basketball, or it can be more individualistic, like a dieting/training strategy in diving or golf or gymnastics.

on the other hand, i take issue with your assumption that a 7 foot person has it made in the NBA, or that a 350 lb man has it made in the NFL. you do need agility in both of those sports, and it is still a challenge when you are hard. arguably, it is easier in a lot of ways when you are big and strong to be in those sports, but let's not forget mugsey bogues, walter payton, emmitt smith, and so on. just as in diving, being smaller has its advantages in other sports, just like being larger. you are just not seeing them, or ar ingoring them to propagate your argument.

as for taking more skill to make it big, that is irrelevant. we aren't just talking about making it big. we are talking about making it difficult. it is just as possible to make football apes*** hard like your diving as it is to make your diving so. but let's play your game, ok?

you've obviously accompished something in the sport of diving that is very laudable. don't cheapen that, man, by asserting that the sport you are dedicated to is better than another sport because it takes more dedication to make it big. for one thing, i don't think you have a good handle on that. try comparing the number of people who play football on say a high school team to those that make it to the professional level. i'll bet you good money it's a much more drastically contsrasted ratio than the number of people who do diving at some level to those that make it pro.

i think the difference between us, scem0, is that you use inductive reasoning--making generalizations from examples, whereas i use deductive reasoning--using logic to approach and backing my points up with examples.

inductive reasoning is amazingly useful. unfortunately, i don't think you can base your assumptions on a small range of examples in this case.

this is because you can't just say that one is harder than the other based on 2 little examples, 1 from each sport. you are bound to have examples of people who took greatest pain to get where they are, who had to practically sell their souls to get where they are in a sport... and then within that same sport, you will find people who just had a natural, inexplicable talent for the sport and excel in it with minimal effort.

i am drawing this evaluation of difficulty within different sports not from examples in my own life, but from other areas that i have spent a lot of time dealing with. for instance, in school there are those really REALLY smart people, who have photographic memories and get 100s in calculus without even reading the book, or rather thumbing through it once, MAYBE twice... and there are people who just don't get it and have to sacrifice themselves over the book for hours upon hours to get to a level even approaching that--just to pass in the class. and in music, i know a guy who was a fabulous clarinetist. he never practiced. when the state competitions came around, he would see all his competitors--at least fifty--practising like mad that day, even though they had spent months in preparation, learning the competition piece. 20 minutes before the competition, he thumbed through the music, played it a few times, and kicked ass at the competition, taking home like second. he wasn't dedicated, and if he had been even a little bit so, he could have easily made a successful profession of it.

all this to say, you see how the difficulty across success AND personal abilities blurs the line of how you can assess what is more difficult? there are people who work their whole lives to accomplish something that another person can accomplish in a matter of hours.

example, counterexample, thrust, parry...

please don't assume i am deriding your dedication to diving, or the difficulty inherent in such an endeavor.

i am just saying that it isn't inherently more difficult than other sports. you are just inherently predisposed to it, and have found it more challenging personally than other sports you have tried.

as for ms. V, i hope she would admit that football has at least as tenable an objective as the fashion industry. i mean, on both accounts, it's in large part sexuality, right? :D

and as far as the other aspects of them... do they really matter?

i am not a football fan myself. it's ok, but i don't even watch TV anymore, so... yeah... gay porn.. not a fan... that was disturbing. you could have at least said something like heterosexual orgy.... ummm... yeah...