G5 at MW Tokyo

[MacAztec]

I know for a fact that we will see a G5 at Macworld Tokyo. Why do you think they bumped an iMac to a G4, and almost as fast as the best G4 Tower? The G4 Tower is out of production. MW Tokyo WILL unveil the new G5. I know this for a fact.

[eyelikeart]

I think u may be right....but...

MacWorld San Francisco was just this morning....

give it a rest already wouldya?!

[ScottF]

I doubt it !
I have given up on getting excited over apple stuff.
when is MW Tokyo ??

[MacAztec]

I am about 90 percent sure of this. Just trust me...

[MacAztec]

MW Tokyo is February 7th. This is why I know the tower is dead. Apple WILL not upgrade them until Tokyo. And when they do, it will be a chip upgrade.

[kaneda]

I don't think we will see a G5 in Tokyo...maybe in NY...but not in Tokyo...all even next year. I think the imac is pretty cool, but I don't need a consumer computer. Less than a ghz is not doing it for me! it looks nice..but I need power...not style!

I want to know the address of those spymac guys...we can go all over there and beat the crap out of them!

[dizastor]

no new Power Mac Towers till next January!!!

BECAUSE...

Tokyo: Steve announces the C3P0 Gold iMac to go along with the R2D2 released today in San Fran.

New York: Steve will announce the iVac shaped like a vaccum cleaner. The Digital Hub that cleans up.

Then at MWSF 2003 the PowerMac will be announced with a dual G4 running at a whopping 933mhz. With a roadmap to break the 1ghz barrier by the Summer of 2004.

At that point the iVac will be running a 2ghz G5 which will mean that both the iVac and the PowerMac will suck...

***Im just kidding, I still love my Mac. Don't hurt me.

[MacAztec]

Dont you ever post on this site again. Anyways, back to the G5. The g4 will not be upgraded anymore, and I PROMISE that. Apple is done with the G4 tower, and now comes the G5. I have heard this and that and not till next year, but. The iMac is the G4. The Tower is not being produced anymore. Tokyo is the G5 release.

[dizastor]

so they developed the Apollo and Sahara chips for fun?

[option]

Macworld Tokyo was moved to March 21-23...

http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0110/15.macworld.php

the waiiitttinnng is the hardest part.

[Durandal7]

Apple must have developed the Sahara G3 to go in the iBooks. If the G5s come out in tokoyo then the Apollo will live on in the iMac and tiBook.

[ThlayliTheFierce]

I totally agree with you Mac_User. The new iMac, which by the way is AWESOME, I don't care what you naysayers think, competes with the powermac. Why pay $3500 for a computer without a monitor when you can get everything (and most of the power) for $1800!?!?!? I wouldn't. Now if anyone hasn't noticed, Apple DOES NOT make their computers cross into each other's territory, i.e. the iMac is not supposed to compete with the powermac. So why would Apple release it? Because the G5 is coming soon! It only makes sense. Steve probably wanted it for this Macworld, but Moto was too slow.

[slo19xxl]

Mac user is RIGHT!!!!
I don't know about Tokyo, but new G5 will come
before june this year at the latest!!
It will be in the BLACK housing, similar to G4, with silver "apples" on both sides, non-transparent black oval "handles" and chrome front end, housing three (3) front slots (unknown purpose) without speaker hole...

It will be delivered with 1 GB of RAM, 160 GB HD, Super Drive, 2 FireWire connectors, and processor speeds will be 1.2; 1.4; and 1.6 ghz
Source is anonymous...
(lives outside U.S)

[MacAztec]

Welcome to MacRumors.

[MacAztec]

C'mon guys, you all know that we are right. The G5 will come out soon enough, so stop your b*%#*ing about revolutionary. I have NEVER seen a computer as revolutionary as the iMac.

[atomwork]

The iMac2 looks really cool and i do have no comment on the rest i saw. BUT: In fact that Apple rules the design industry I was shocked not to see any new G5 models and neither to hear a comment on the new Ti Books or on the panta version 10.2

The only thing Steve Jobs was talking about was the new low end Mac, the iMac. Sure, I know its a 800 MHZ G4 chip inside. Great deal of course. But come one. There is no space for adding 1.5 GHZ RAM or a 64MB 3D graphic card and more that a professional designer need. And that ****** 15" display, sorry again for saying, is only for the middle and low end user. Basicly its for beginners they want a digital hub for fun. Sending picturs, printing out a photo album. AAGGGGR. Its so mainstream!! I was so disapointed in him. Whats for us in it now. the designers they need a faster mac for work. or 2 displays?????

I was so into the hype and hoped to see a G5 1400 and more. May be even a double processor. I need to run all the graphic apps and have no need for a nice iPhoto. I have to agree to some users here that i also lost my hope in the Macworld. This Macworld was truley only for the mainstream people. Not for the harcore users they depende on a mac for work!!!!

[tweedy7736]

Wow, that must have been hard to figure out. ;-)

The G5 has to come soon or else nobody will buy it! Same specs as the iMac, but $1000 more. Hmm... hard decision.

Apple will definitely come out w/ the G5 either this next expo, or the one after (at the latest). I think it will be intoduced @ Tokyo, then upgraded (faster) at the next expo.

[ThlayliTheFierce]

That's an interesting rumor, especially about the case design. Out of curiosity, is the slo in your handle for San Luis Obispo?

[ALPHAMATIX]

Ok first off, yes the G5 will be released soon, and no it wont be black, not at this point anyway, i have seen prototypes of the G5, and it is beige almost greenish beige, and i am not ********ting, this is direct from a friend overseas. Anyway who cares, at that point i think i will be moving out of the Mac Industry, they just are way too slow, and they are not keeping up with my needs as a designer. For One they are almost 3 years behind the PC, and it hurts me to says this, cause i hate PC's. But i will be forced to buy one shortly. My Firm cannot stick with Mac, when other firms are 3 times ahead with PC's. another thing is price. Mac spends too much time with looks and design and packing everything down. Which is nice, its great actually that they do that for the normal consumer, but what about the design industry that has brought them so far, that needs them at this crucial time, why cant they release two models, cut down on the looks and go for some power, we dont care what it looks like, i just want fast browsing and rendering. I am so upset about everything, i dont feel i need to say more, everyone can see whats happeniong, the last thing i have to say is, i checked it out for kicks, and i figured out i can build a machine almost 5 times as fast as a Mac, basically a fully loaded or (overloaded machine) for around 1700.00 Now you tell me why i would even think of buying a Mac again. Mac user for 9 years, this is heartbreaking. That such a great company can slow things up, they are making a huge mistake, and better bounce back before its too late.

[networkman]

the g4 towers are not that much faster than imac anymore but they do have the pci slots though

the price of the towers has to come down or apple has to put in a new chip like the g5 this year, let's hope

i was waiting for 1 ghz today but i think i will have to wait for tokyo or new york

[kaneda]

I am starting to believe G5 is coming out soon! Damn, just like last week about the iwalk! I noticed that Apple computer is getting smaller and smaller everyday. Could the iwalk we saw last week the next imac in development? :O)

Will that be the G5 imac? That will be revolutionary! Where no PC has gone before!! IN MY POCKET!! That is freaking awesome!

Maybe that if Steve's announced the new towers today...It will take away from the imac hyped! that he builded up before MW...It makes sense that he wait for the next MW to announce the new towers and a slight upgrade for the imac like 867 mhz?

G5 PLEAASSEEEEEEEEEE!!! TOKYO!!!!! OHIO!!!

[Omicron]

If you look at the MacWorld/upgrade stats, you will notice a pattern. They upgrade 2/3 lines at a time generally. Since the towers and cube werechanged in the last go-around, this is the time for the iMac/iBook (they cant upgrade them all!) So at the next Macworld you should see the towers revamped possibly to this g5 everyone is talking about.

[MacNut]

Today should be a wake up call for apple Intel and Amd both revealed new chips over 2 ghz and apple can only release 800mhz? what gives apple should be pushing motorola and ibm for atleast 1gig

[F/reW/re]

You may be let down once again :(

[amichalo]

Originally posted by greenmonsterman
so they developed the Apollo and Sahara chips for fun?

Or to allow room for the iMac line in the next 3.5 years til they move the G5 to it. Same time from as the G3/flovored iMacs to the G4/LCD ones.

[kaneda]

I want Apple to redesign the new towers. :O) I want to know what can they think of next! The tower designed is about 3 years old too...SO is the G5 is really a sphere...:O) Or will the new G5 design will look like my toilet. :O)

[Falleron]

Do you guys really think apple can afford to loose customers for the towers by waiting until march to update it?? I dont believe they can! So when are there oportunities to give the towers speed bumps??

[Kela]

Umm people THINK!! Apple's next move will be to replace the existing tower chips with duals. All TOWERS WILL BE DUAL PROCESSPORS. THAT WILL DIFFERENTIATE the imac witht he pro computer. THE G5 will be announced at MWNY, not just a month after the new imac is announced(at MWTokyo). Firstly I think Jonathan Ive seriously needsa a friggen holiday and secondly I think the imac needs to be digested by the public. YOU STUPID FREAKS DONT KNOW WHAT KIND OF AN AWESOME REVOLUTIONARY PRODUCT APPLE HAS UNVEILED YESTERDAY.

[atomwork]

TO KELA:

Well, call yourselfe a stupid freak. I undersand the beauty what happend yesterday. But face it too. In time Apple had no choise to stay with the G3??? So why are you so suprised that its now a super G4. From the marketing aspekt it was necessary for them. Also it brings them more people, more money and more power to be the number one.

TO THE REST:

Ok, said this. I still like to thank all users here for their thoughts. It was nice to see that still some pros are around and not only kids they need a iMac2 to play games and are happy.

For thoses they can stand it to wait for the MWNY, its a shame to think so. I cannot live with the thought to see the apple store the way it is. The pros have to pay ass money down and the iMac is supercheap for the stuff thats in there. In Fact, its redicoulus to have it up. I request that the priced come down or the better upgrade the chips in the machines. Come one. I have to pay double the money for not much more. Thats not fair.

[crassusad44]

Originally posted by ALPHAMATIX
Ok first off, yes the G5 will be released soon, and no it wont be black, not at this point anyway, i have seen prototypes of the G5, and it is beige almost greenish beige, and i am not ********ting, this is direct from a friend overseas. Anyway who cares, at that point i think i will be moving out of the Mac Industry, they just are way too slow, and they are not keeping up with my needs as a designer. For One they are almost 3 years behind the PC, and it hurts me to says this, cause i hate PC's. But i will be forced to buy one shortly. My Firm cannot stick with Mac, when other firms are 3 times ahead with PC's. another thing is price. Mac spends too much time with looks and design and packing everything down. Which is nice, its great actually that they do that for the normal consumer, but what about the design industry that has brought them so far, that needs them at this crucial time, why cant they release two models, cut down on the looks and go for some power, we dont care what it looks like, i just want fast browsing and rendering. I am so upset about everything, i dont feel i need to say more, everyone can see whats happeniong, the last thing i have to say is, i checked it out for kicks, and i figured out i can build a machine almost 5 times as fast as a Mac, basically a fully loaded or (overloaded machine) for around 1700.00 Now you tell me why i would even think of buying a Mac again. Mac user for 9 years, this is heartbreaking. That such a great company can slow things up, they are making a huge mistake, and better bounce back before its too late.

Hmmmm...
A SuperDrive is 3 yrs behind the PC? NO!
nVida GeForce 3, 3yrs behind the PC? NO! (one month before actually)
80 Gig 7200 ATA 100 HD 3 yrs behind the PC? NO!
Firewire... anyone!
USB? Wouldn't be a de facto standard if not for the iMac!
And you can build a PC 5 times faster than the iMac for 1700,-???? Now take me to your dealer, cuz you must be smoking some really goood ****! Even IF you could compare mhz by mhz (and you can't), A 4GHZ PC DOES NOT EXIST! (800 by 5, is 4000, if you flunked in math...)

Stupid!
NEVER, NEVER, post here again!

[PUSH]

Hi guys,
if you are really interested in the G4 and G5 project paths chip-wise, you should read the microelectronics sections on both the IBM and Motorola websites. It gives the current processor yields, production schedules and delivery dates. If you take time to read around the subject, i think you'll find a complete motherboard re-design is just around the corner. DDR RAM. Much larger level 2 and level 3 caches and a wider system bus.

Please don't try to tell me that you can pull a pc system together matching this that will be around the $1700 mark. Also,on a PC you simply don't have good enough hardware products to handle uncompressed 10Bit video through a AJA or DigiVoodoo card (as more and more film companies are doing). Reason? Software stability... And please dont get me started on the 'multi-threaded' travesty that is XP. I use both Mac and Windows professionally everyday and it is a constant breath of fresh air to sit in front of that little blue fruit on boot-up. The reason I mention the above is that I can only presume that the people complaining about the processor speeds in the current towers must be high-end professionals using video and 3D apps everyday, as most apps simply dont need any more speed. Processor speeds pose problems for web and print design? Surely not....

Within the last year, Apple have bought Spruce (the DVD hardware/software company) and there is persistance in the rumors of an AVID buyout. They have convinced too many post-production and film software design companies like MAYA and Discreet to port their programmes over to MAC to let them down.

As to the new iMac. Beautiful piece of industrial size? Possibly... Looks a little to similar to a slimmed down version of my 20th Anniversary Mac (the screen perched ontop of the old base unit of the 20). Revolutionary? Not especially. A great deal? You'd better believe it... Just look at the cost of the 15 inch and superdrive one month ago? Apple need to increase the market share of their OS, so they bring out another iMac which has any software and hardware a home user could ever want to use, without cluttering up deskspace in those tiny New York appartments that all Mac users live in (that is supposed to be humor by the way).

These are not the usual insane machinations of an over eager mac fan, but the practical ramblings of an unbiased Apple preferer.

Also remember Gigawire and Apples 'little" wireless everywhere project with Skycorp http://www.apple.com/scitech/stories/skycorp/index2.html.

I wouldn't be moving away from Apple just yet.

JC out....

[Marvenp]

I don't know where you guys get your information but MWT is not until March: http://www.idg.co.jp/expo/mw/
And frankly, Mac had better have the G5s ready by then or one hell of speedbump for the G4 Towers if they expect to keep it's core users happy! They may gain a larger consumer following but they will start to lose thier DTP, Content developers, and high end clients who need speed and power. Thus defeating thier purpose for going after a larger market share.

[PUSH]

hi Marvenp,

I entirely agree. As I said above, read the motorola and IBM sites, they are very informative as to the new chips production schedule and testing speeds if you are really concerned. There are high enough yields being produced to get the new motherbords chipped-up with either dual-appollos or possibly even G5s. They will probably be using the modified G3 chips in the ibooks for some time as with the new production process, they are very easy to scale to well over 1 ghz. Maybe the appollos will just be for the Tibook. There are some very interesting articles if you care to look for them.

Apple knows that the only reason its still in business is because of its loyal pro users. It is building its marketing around consumers at the moment as they are the largest core of missing business for Apple. A larger market share using the same gross margins of around 20% on any Apple product allows them to give us better products in the long run. Apple innovate, whilst other PC manufacturers stagnate. The Tibook and the ibook have been the only portables not to drop in sales since their release and this IT recession. Vaio? Down. Dell? Down.

Since iMac first went into production, we have seen some amazing products shipped. Final Cut. DVD Studio Pro. Basically removing the need for a rather pricey AVID symphony and Sonic Solutions system. Be patient with them. I promise you wont be disappointed.

JC out...

[saffron!!]

Originally posted by Marvenp
I don't know where you guys get your information but MWT is not until March: http://www.idg.co.jp/expo/mw/
And frankly, Mac had better have the G5s ready by then or one hell of speedbump for the G4 Towers if they expect to keep it's core users happy! They may gain a larger consumer following but they will start to lose thier DTP, Content developers, and high end clients who need speed and power. Thus defeating thier purpose for going after a larger market share.



I am a professional editor looking to run Maya. I had an SGI workstation Quad 550 running NT. I never want to see Dr. Watson again. I also world like to see Pixar's Renderman run on OS-X. This new system I will be purchasing will be just for me for the first time. When I ordered my SGI in January of 2000, I had to wait six months to get it and this was a system where everything was was supposedly available. The cost of a system from SGI running IRIX would be many times the cost of the current G-4. My old system without software and monitors came to over $20,000. If Apple markets a new G-5 with faster ram, processors and all the other features, it will truly be a marvel and I personally can't wait to get one.

[PUSH]

Hi Saffron,

have you run Maya with Final Cut 3 under OS X yet? Just another of the reasons to buy a tower. I'd wait until March if you can, as they are putting in DDR memory and a faster bus which, my company being in the same field as you, I know is well worth the wait.

Apple never introduce dramatically different consumer and pro models in the same expo as it gives their clients a headache. We will see better towers very soon.

JC out...

[mischief]

2 Ghz @ perhaps 2Mflops. Whoopty doo. Hey Alphamatrix- you don't happen to be using Pro-E? Blame the SW developers for limiting your options to custom built PC's when a Unix port to OS X would be relatively easy.

For the rest of the whiney idiots: if you think the new iMac is inadequate-BTO a tower and shut up. If you think Macs suck, buy a Wintel and shut up. If you want a high Hz mac with all the bells and whistles for under a grand, stop smoking crack, shut up, and **** off. If you're waiting for the Next Great Thing: Get off it. Tech changes quarterly. Don't buy in the last month before an Expo and shut up.If you think you can do better, start your own company and shut up.

[Edited by mischief on 01-08-2002 at 12:58 PM]

[nobody]

I don't get it, everyone predicts 1.4ghz apollo g4s and maybe g5s for mwsf, and apple releases nothing. So now you start predicting G5s for tokyo? I think a more realistic prediction would be the apollos at tokyo then G5s at mwny. I'm not trying to be pessimistic, I want a G5 just as much as anyone else, but I think you are all setting yourselves up for disappointment again.

[PUSH]

Not sure about the way you expressed it, but i agree with your sentiment.

JC out...

[mischief]

Sorry about the tone: I just get sick of how much airtime whiney morons get.

[mischief]

Good logic. The negativity around here mainly stems from taking the wildest speculations to heart. Keep it light and remember context and flow.

[PUSH]

have you used iPhoto yet? Its actually pretty useful for organising alone.

JC out...

[mischief]

I downloded it, then gave it to my boss via LAN cuz he's always futzing around with digital pics of his kids. He's not the quickest learning curve I've met nor even slightly Geeky, yet he was using it to library his pics in about five minutes. This may kill Apps like Cumulus and will certanly change things for Digital cameras. Very cool, easy and satisfying experience, even vicariously.

[saffron!!]

Hi Push,

I guess we'll both have to wait. Sounds like it will be worth it. I was running DPS Velocity/Reality on the SGI with Digital Fusion. I have also run a Quantel Edit Box which is many times more expensive than the SGI I had. The development cost for Maya on OS-X I was told was nearly $1,000,000. I find it hard to believe that much money would be invested if a new tower vastly superior isn't on the way.

[PUSH]

I would say it'll be particularly useful (cheap) for cataloging web graphics for clients so they can see a thumb with a name string to the right image for updating their sites, in-house.

Remind me again why people were disappointed yesterday???

JC out...

[mischief]

Go to: http://www.totalimpact.com. Look at their parallel-processing boards and the powerbox.

SGI Predators had 18 400Mhz processors doing around 1.5Mflops each in one case. If two 800Mhz G4 processors yield approx. 7.5Mflops, then 40 500Mhz G4s would be SICK.

[PUSH]

Exactly...

Also, have you looked into getting yourself a DigiVoodoo card with FCP3 for capturing and exporting un-compressed HD? Put in a copy of Combustion 2, and You'd have a one-stop post production facility that would beat any edit box under the sun for under $20000.

Do you have any work samples on line?

[saffron!!]

I am looking at Digital VooDoo as well as Cinewave capture cards. I have work up on a sight that I worked with along with my bio on http://www.trilliumteam.com under TT Studios and then you can look at editorial and 2d, 3d, web and video. I am in the process of going solo.

(bio is for Shelly)

[Marvenp]

To PUSH: thanks for the useful info. as well as others who contributed. To mischief: come on man, is that language really necessary?

It just makes since for people to want more power. Apple themselves set the wheels in motion by giving us power hungry apps like FCP 3. If you are a content designer like myself, you want to get your ideas out while they're still fresh in your head. You don't want to sit around for hours waiting for stuff to finish rendering. Even OS X is power hungry. The Aqua interface requires a lot more processing power. Not to mention now we have two systems running at once with Classic added in. More power just makes since, period.

And to expect more power after a marketing scheme like the one Apple pulled on us this week is extremely reasonable. So anyone who is upset with Apple right now, has a legitimate gripe. Cleverly market a product but don't mislead the people who support you the most. That's just plain stupid.

[mischief]

to the ignorant, it is occasionally neccesary to use their native language. Plus I wanted particular emphasis on that particular point as many here have been whining incessantly about Apple's "inadequate" speed. Asking Motorolla and IBM to make a 90 degree turn in chip design strategy for the sake of marketing would only slow down the process. That's how we got stuck at 500 Mhz for so long.

[spuncan]

Alot of u newbies and a few seniors have been pissed off at this MWSF with its suposed hype. K first Has anyone tried iPhoto its the best "i" software since iTunes.its so sweet in my opinion. and another thing the iMac well my parents and grandparents "all lowend consumers macusers said I love that and I want one so it may look like a lamp but who care the people love it and overall its the best cosumer model available which is all we can ask for. I mean 3 usb ports, 2 firewire that so cool. So this MWSF did live up to the hype in my opinion. K now to the G5s first MWTokyo is in late march its sebold thats in febuary so either of these dates are fesable an the ship times on the powerbook and powermac are already starting to rise so either of these dates look good.

[SPG]

Since it seems that there are a few other video pros in here I'll ask this question:
Anybody hear what Apple is doing with Spruce? I'm very curious to see if the next top of the line machine will have it's own MPEG hardware encoder, or maybe DVD SP2 will have it.
Avid? How did this one get started? Is there anything for Apple to really gain by buying Avid?
G5? We're all guessing soon. Apple doesn't want to steal the imac's thunder, but damnit we need a burlier machine to shut up the idiots who think that they will be better off on Wintels.

[b8rtm8nn]

I don't think the towers will wait until Tokyo, I personally believe they will arrive at Quicktime Live next month - all power users, good show-off crowd. I thought Japan was a bigger comsumer market for Apple because of the small size, not a big pro market (relatively speaking).

[Catfish_Man]

...someone mentioned 800mhz X 5 being 4000mhz. Apparently they haven't noticed that the high end tower isn't 800, it's 1600 (dual procs, remember?), same as an Athlon XP 1800+.

The Sahara is ideal for the iBook, it uses a little over half as much power as the current G3, runs at 800mhz-1ghz, and can support DDR RAM. However, until they update the TiBook to 1Ghz+, the iBook isn't going to get it. I do think we'll see at LEAST single Apollo towers at MWT. Most likely duals, given a recent comment about SMP by a high up Apple person (I forget who). G5 would be nice (understatement of the year award there), but I'm not holding my breath.

[madmac30]

Originally posted by ALPHAMATIX
the last thing i have to say is, i checked it out for kicks, and i figured out i can build a machine almost 5 times as fast as a Mac, basically a fully loaded or (overloaded machine) for around 1700.00 Now you tell me why i would even think of buying a Mac again. Mac user for 9 years, this is heartbreaking. That such a great company can slow things up, they are making a huge mistake, and better bounce back before its too late.

The new iMac is going to sell better than the first iMac and G5's are going to smoke anything on the windoze platform so you build that $1700 piece of **** then come back and cry when it doesn't perform the way you expect. You need to fire the captain of your brainship because he is asleep at the wheel. Good Luck

[GPTurismo]

Well, I don't think we will see G5's for a while. Motorola itself said Alti Vec performance isn't up to par yet when they released their up to date road map.

I believe that we will see dual gigahertz + machines at MWTKY. The Apollo is suppose to easily reach 1.2+ gigahertz.. Also, remember they had G3 towers along side the G3 iMacs for quite a while.

Also, to prove the point about the megahertz myth, AMD's 1600 megahertz chips (the 1900+ Pro) are blowing Intels 2.2 Gigahertz P4s out of the water.

[PUSH]

Originally posted by saffron!!
I am looking at Digital VooDoo as well as Cinewave capture cards.


Hi Saffron,

out of the two cards I would opt for the DigiVoodoo HD card if i were you. Not only is it 10Bit for those really perfect gradients, but it can output to SD and HD at the same time. It also allows you to view HD output on a standard monitor (i dont know about in the states, but over here you have to re-mortgage your house to be able to afford an HD monitor. It also works in combustion and after Effects. It will also be the first to release OS X native drivers.

JC out...

[spuncan]

look dont get all hyped up about the release of the G5 cuz in the end you may be suprised. So this my two cents. 1. ship times for Powermac G4 have already gone up to 10 days. 2 they stopped making G4 powermacs friday. 3. the gutted theyre powermac line by introducing the new iMac at 800mhz. 4. G5 is known not only to exist but also has 1.0ghz,1.2ghz,and 1.4ghz in good quantitys. Motorola held off G5 introduction due to lack of 1.6ghz chips and malfuntions with 1.8 ghz chips. So with all of this info I see the G5 comming out om FEB 20th. (seybold),or March 21(mw tokyo). Thankyou and remeber its just a computer

[F/reW/re]

Originally posted by GPTurismo

Also, to prove the point about the megahertz myth, AMD's 1600 megahertz chips (the 1900+ Pro) are blowing Intels 2.2 Gigahertz P4s out of the water.
********!!

http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/02q1/020107/images/cpu3.jpg

take a look at this test ->
http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/02q1/020107/index.html

[Edited by F/reW/re on 01-09-2002 at 08:26 AM]

[PUSH]

The new spec apparently runs at the following:

The GPU comes in January/February 2002, while professional boards should be available in the second quarter.
* 6 Pixel pipelines
* Core freq: 300 MHz.
* Memory: 660 MHz. (eff) ~ 10.5 GB/sec BW, assuming they stay with 128-bit data paths.
* Supports TwinView
* Supports (finally) Hardware iDCT
* More powerful T&L unit, to include a second Vertex Shader
* AA Features.
* .13u Manufacturing process
*128MB DDR RAM

Just in case you 3D or open GL hungry people out there were interested. Launch may be at Seybold. Possibly for inclusion in the new towers

JC out...

[Macmaniac]

I agree with mac user, we will see G5's at Tokyo. If they wait till NY it will be to late. But to make NY exciting I think there is a chance that we will see 10.2. Either that or we will see G4 Apollo TiBooks at 800mhz to 900mhz, the Ti Book needs a speed bump! Also some time in the fall we will see iPod 2 Wintel compatible. I think it would be a huge mistake not to go into the Wintel market, because there is nothing that compares with pod, thus apple will see a huge sales jump as greedy Wintel people buy up the iPod(Apple makes lots of money:). Also in the fall we will see G3 Sahara iBooks at 600-700mhz or G4 iBooks at 500-650mhz.
I hope!

700mhz Snow iMac
100mhz Performa

[OSUbuckeyefan]

Originally posted by PUSH
The new spec apparently runs at the following:

The GPU comes in January/February 2002, while professional boards should be available in the second quarter.
* 6 Pixel pipelines
* Core freq: 300 MHz.
* Memory: 660 MHz. (eff) ~ 10.5 GB/sec BW, assuming they stay with 128-bit data paths.
* Supports TwinView
* Supports (finally) Hardware iDCT
* More powerful T&L unit, to include a second Vertex Shader
* AA Features.
* .13u Manufacturing process
*128MB DDR RAM

Just in case you 3D or open GL hungry people out there were interested. Launch may be at Seybold. Possibly for inclusion in the new towers

JC out...

That would be sweet...I hope you're right!!

[rastalin94]

What Apple did a few days ago was something that will hopefull increase their market share. The iMac2 is very unique and is designed for the average consumer. I have begun to look at the new iMac as a consumer etlectronic device with the power of a computer. They released a product that will make people stand up and give apple a look. Now whether they will buy one is a different matter but the iMac is not just a piece of hardware. You are getting all the iSoftware for free that allows you to actually use your computer straight out of the box, something you can not do with a windows box. They give you the tools to start using a computer, they are putting more power in the hands of the consumer than a PC. Apple is selling the entire computer expereince, not just Hardware, or Software. Why does a user buy a computer, to do things. A PC will let you do things, but not out of the box, and not as easily as Mac will let you. My point is the iMac is the computer I should have bought my Mom :)

If it is obvious to us that the new iMacs are just as fast as the Towers you would think Mr. Jobs knows this also. So I would expect their to be a big change in the Towers some time in the very near fuure. The change in the towers will be needed to keep currnet users, not to increase market share. So what I beleve is that they released the iMac to make everyone go "Wow", and they will release the new towers that are a lot more powerful than the iMac to keep their high end users.

Personally I would love to see dual G5 towers. In a wintel box dual does not really make a difference. Yourspreadsheet will only load so fast. Being that Mac does a lot of digitial media you can use the pure power of dual a lot easier, rendering, photoshop filters, so it makes sense for a Mac to have dual processors.

This could be a very good year for Apple. Windows XP is not really that great, and users want what Apple gives out of the box. A user does not care what software or hardware they are using, they have goals that they want to achieve that a computer lets them accompolish. I just hope more people will give Apple a chance because the average consumer will be amazed at how easy Apple is starting to make life in the digital world. Now they can acutally do something with the digital cameras.

What sucks for me is that I work at a place that sells PC's only and I am having a hard time selling them PC's when I really feel a iMac is would be so much more fun for them to own.

[spikey]

Tomshardware has always had dodgy reviews.
Personally i dont trust any web reviewer, there is too much strongarming coming from Intel and microsoft to trust anyone.

[tw9876z]

yes the g5 is no doubt coming out, it should rock but i still want the new imac anyway, ill wait till the powerbook g5

[GadgetLover]

Originally posted by Mac_User
I am about 90 percent sure of this. Just trust me...

Oh, give it a rest!! I am so sick of false rumors that have no basis in reality -- instead of speculation and/or circumstantial evidence, why not produce material, physical evidence. Nooo? Can't do it? Thought so.

"Just trust me", said the cat to the mouse. Pleeease. Why should anyone trust you? What evidence do you have to support your unsubstantiated opinion. And yes, I read your speculative mumbo jumbo about the new iMac, and it's not that I don't agree that G5's will be released soon, just that you don't know for a "fact" anything. What if it doesn't happen until NY (July)? What happens if it happens at a non-MacWorld expo or conference? You are just blowing hot air. Yes, this is macrumors.com, so call it a "rumor" if you want to, but "I know for a fact," please! Enough! Let's just enjoy MacWorld Expo SF 2001 and savor the moment. Isn't iPhoto, new OS X apps from Adobe, etc. enough? Or are you the kind of kid that is bored with his new materialistic toys just 2 days after Materialmas (I mean Christmas).

[mischief]

Dual processor Macs do not run serial, they run PARALLEL. Which means that their Mhz ratings do not add together but are measured side by side. The Dually Macs have more processor thruput by way of increasing i/o not hotwiring two processors in series off the same feed from the bus. think of water : Pentiums move a thin, high velocity stream through a long pipe and two (in duals) sprawling, shallow tanks. G4 moves a fat, low pressure stream through a very short pipe and two spheroid vessels. Any plumber can explain the rest: The fat,short pipe will ALWAYS move more water than the thin pipe this is because water HATES changing density (which is why it's a good comparison) so it loses velocity rapidly to the long length of the pipe. The mechanism for the slowdown in processors is different but yields similar results. Pentiums are also physically larger than G4's so the data must traverse more territory, convert more of it's substance into heat and exist longer in any given place in the chip.

[GadgetLover]

Well said mischief!

" 'eh Luigi, hand me another electro-wrench, this fat-pipe's got a memory leak." :)

[jay64]

I fully agree with those who say the G5 won't come before MWNY.
After all, Apple received a working G5 only in late november, if I recall correctly. I'm no expert but it might be a mistake to rush the machine after only a quarter or so to test it. I guess Mac OS X and the G5 are not yet perfectly synchronized. Remember that Altivec is not yet fully functional on the G5. The worst thing Apple could do would be to discredit the G5 upon its release...
Besides, we know that Motorola has already produced a fair amount of G4 7460 Appollo (and is/was waiting for Apple to purchase them...).
This new chip uses a 15 micron process with SOI (versus 18 micron without SOI for the 7450).
Some said Apple was expecting some 1Ghz 7450 last summer at MWNY 2001 (but didn't receive them due to a bug occuring over 900 Mhz). If the 7450 could potentially this level, I feel pretty sure the 7460 will reach 1,2 or 1,3 Ghz. That's a 50% improvement over the 7450. Not bad for a starter...and it gives Apple/Motorola the time needed to make the G5 a real success story.

[mischief]

Bingo. Apple is cautious about new chips. They'll wait at least 6 months total to debug the design before considering it for production. Just sit back and enjoy the Apollo, which will arrive first.

[grouse]

We are getting a lot of press over here (UK) about the trouble Motorola are in. They are laying off staff left, right and centre (largly in mobile phones but it must have an impact). I just wonder (and yes I've read their website) whether they are actually diverting resources away from these chip completions and to market, 'cos they are rationalising in other areas.

And wonder too whether this has in fact caused friction between Apple and them.

Any thoughts, knowledge?

[geephore]

I am somewhat two-sided about the release time of the G5. On one hand, I believe they wouldn't come out too soon because they would draw attention away from the iMac.http://www.macrumors.com/forums/images/icons/icon13.gif On the other, the iMacs are about equivalent to a 867 G4 tower with a 15 inch studio display, but cost about a thousand dollars less. It is obvious that the pro line must be upgraded in some way pronto or they won't sell.http://www.macrumors.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif

[geephore]

Sorry about those weird URLs. I did the smileys wrong.

[MacAztec]

Originally posted by GadgetLover


Oh, give it a rest!! I am so sick of false rumors that have no basis in reality -- instead of speculation and/or circumstantial evidence, why not produce material, physical evidence. Nooo? Can't do it? Thought so.

"Just trust me", said the cat to the mouse. Pleeease. Why should anyone trust you? What evidence do you have to support your unsubstantiated opinion. And yes, I read your speculative mumbo jumbo about the new iMac, and it's not that I don't agree that G5's will be released soon, just that you don't know for a "fact" anything. What if it doesn't happen until NY (July)? What happens if it happens at a non-MacWorld expo or conference? You are just blowing hot air. Yes, this is macrumors.com, so call it a "rumor" if you want to, but "I know for a fact," please! Enough! Let's just enjoy MacWorld Expo SF 2001 and savor the moment. Isn't iPhoto, new OS X apps from Adobe, etc. enough? Or are you the kind of kid that is bored with his new materialistic toys just 2 days after Materialmas (I mean Christmas).

You are an idiot dude. Just look at the information given to us. I mean, there is NOTHING to upgrade at tokyo. A Faster tower would be stupid. Nobody would but it. A G5 would be the thing next to the iMac.

[SPG]

Sorry Macuser but Gadget's got a valid point about prefacing opinion/comment/rumor with "I know for a fact" and then later with "I'm 90% sure".
Opinions are cool and I think that you are probably right, but that is my opinion and your opinion, not fact.
Gadgetlover complaining about materialism? Irony? Sarcasm? I like it.

[Unregistered]

Originally posted by kaneda
I want Apple to redesign the new towers. :O) I want to know what can they think of next! The tower designed is about 3 years old too...SO is the G5 is really a sphere...:O) Or will the new G5 design will look like my toilet. :O)

Okay, I have a queation.

Apple has reasonably fast G3 and G4 chips right now. They allegedly have G5's popping off the press as fast as corporately possible. Both the G4 and the G5 was designed as a multi-processor chip. I presume OSX can be kludged to timeshare G3's if needed.

Why not make a Mac that is a many processor device for render farms, sitie servers and ultimate ego machines?

They just might find you all those mac zealots have buying authority within large corporations that want to buy something industrially powered. Not a 601 in a really big box with alot of drives, but a dozen 4xG4 boards in a box that processes many threads at a time.

The technology allegedly exists right now and Apple just satisfied any reasonable personal or pro user with the Imac2.

Rocketman

[networkman]

since apple inc's stock is in the toilet, why wouldn't steve jobs have mentioned the g5 at san francisco?

the g5 would be cool in tokyo and if they mentioned it as early this march, that would be cool and help apple inc in the financial arena

the economy in the us might pull out of a recession this spring but i am not holding my breath

[748s]

i've heard nothing about spruce. it was around 9 months from when apple bought astarte and turned it into DVDSP. they took spruce 7 months ago so something is due soon. the simple thing would be to bundle an mpeg-2 card with DVDSP. DVDSP for OS X is due this quarter. G5's due soon also. looking at what apple did to the iMac, could it be possible that a top end G5 comes with an Mpeg-2 card and some sort of sdi, yuv, y/c, vhs i/o card for FCP.
avid.....i've asked before, why would apple want to buy them? FCP is giving avid a belting. same with media 100. rumours around that media 100 may abandon mac when their new system pegasus gets released (possibly NAB) though they have just released the OS X version.
the only reason to buy avid would be to get protools and turn it into iMix or something. looks like we will have to wait. just hope it is as big a leap as the new iMac

[Kethoticus]

"The technology allegedly exists right now and Apple just satisfied any reasonable personal or pro user with the Imac2."

How do you figure that? Some pros, like web designers, could probably do just fine with one of the new iMacs. But for data throughput-intensive work, like 3D or video, the faster the machine, the better. Yes, you can do this stuff on an iMac, but pros in studios who do the higher-end stuff need the most power possible. An iMac ain't it. I can guarantee that when the next CGI-intensive commercial or movie comes out, it will not have been done with iMacs, 800MHz G4 or not. If nothing else, the 15" monitor's a hindrance. (Some programs, like Softimage e.g., require a very large screen.) And, when you can get maybe 3x-4x the rendering speed out of a dual-Athlon for a 67% higher price, why would you go with an iMac?

It all depends on what you want to do. The new iMacs do have a decent chip in them now, and the monitor's spacious enough for lots of graphics (and other kinds) of work. But for the high-end stuff (read: film and some video work), hi-powered towers are needed.

One bit of optimism I have for this whole thing is that Apple is usually very cautious about cannibalization. I can not see the current MTs lasting too long in their current condition. They're either going to see a major power boost or they're going to have to have a price drop. Either way, it can work toward our advantage.

Now I think Apple should have announced, at the very least, MT price cuts and/or promos this past Monday. But even if they're late, I think they'll be announcing SOMETHING soon.

[SPG]

748s, Yeah an MPEG card is a good guess, but I'm not so sure that Apple would just bundle that in every machine unless they developed a really cheap one that just took composite video and Svideo in. DVDSP does need a better encode method and a few other improvements IMO before it's truly "Pro" and that's what I'm waiting for.
I still subscribe to the belief (hope, guess) that Apple is ready or almost ready with the G5, just holding off to give the iMac a little marketing time. Once the G5 is out then they'll be able to use that as a platform to announce other news, such as DVD SP2 for X, true real time on FCP, and who knows?

[Kethoticus]

...I stopped in the Glendale Apple store this evening and hafta admit that I was very impressed. The pictures do not do the new iMacs justice. Seeing one for real, in depth and at different angles, being able to touch it and pick it up, really brings out the sweetness of its design. I still wish Apple would do the B&O thing, but hey, this ain't bad. And I actually expect the thing to sell. The only hindrance I see for good sales and for it be a tool for expanding market presence, is the the current state of the economy.

I'll tell you this much, economy or not, if Apple unleashes a dual-1.4GHz G4 or better yet, a 1.6GHz G5 within the next 60 days, I think they may actually make a dent in the MS Empire.

[Unregistered]

The manufacturing yields for the G5 via Motorola are not high enough at this time to support Apple's anticipated requirements. There are also some problems with both the g4 and g5 cache aritectures when clocked at over 900mhz. These are being worked.

Due to the low yields, Apple is in a position to negotiate with IBM to co-supply G5s.

So, in short .. you will not see an Apple product shipping with a G5 processor within the next eight to ten months. It is just not possible.

[Kethoticus]

<<So, in short .. you will not see an Apple product shipping with a G5 processor within the next eight to ten months. It is just not possible.>>

...we can expect nothing in terms of new MTs anytime soon? How do you know that Moto's having cache problems above 900MHz?

[Kid Red]

Myabe this explains the cheesy update in 2 days. A few speed bumps to tide us over until the G5 is ready.

[Onyxx]

rocketman- the technology to use many processors is not only probable but a reality. take a look at this:

http://www.totalimpact.com/G3_MP.html

not to sure how well this works, or its price /performance ratio, but it sounds something like what you ordered.

[abe]

No more G4 towers? I don't think so. G5 towers would be too expensive at the moment, especially dual machines.

The release of 3 dual G4s (Apollo) and 1 G5 model, shipping in March, is more likely...

[samy85114]

Did you read Sage Mac... or whatever... ? First, I just want to say that I'm not trusting him at all... but this guys just said something interesting... he was talking about Tokyo.. he said, tokyo is out, simply because that event is meant for compact consumer devices. so seybold seems the most likely. And as far as i know, he's right!

So no G5 till july, even next january! I'm just hoping i'm wrong

[madamimadam]

[QUOTE][i]Or

[samy85114]

What do you mean by that??? " Or "

[madamimadam]

Well, Apple are more into Fast, Faster and Fastest (total of 3 models)
Also, higher speed models are harder to make so more likely to have a low end G5 and 2 dual G4s if this was the case.

[mac15]

g5 at macworld newyork
and I thought tokyo was an expo

[madamimadam]

Originally posted by samy85114
What do you mean by that??? " Or "

Sorry, I can not reply to your earlier message. It does not add the correct tages after I press "quote" and when I added the correct ones in that is how it came out.