moreeeeeeee questions lol

[SilvorX]

i know im annoying :P lol...
but MR is basically the best place to ask any mac ? :)
i was wondering what would be the "performance" difference of getting an emac (superdrive emac) or a high end 15" imac since they are the same specs (internal wise)...such as speed, stability, etc...
i tried looking around for an hr or 2 for canadian sites that have a powermac g4 (800 mhz) for sale..but no luck so far :(
at first i was thinking either low end emac or high end emac, low end emac i could get an ipod then, and if i got a high end emac, i'dd get a larger hard drive for less...so i didnt bother thinking bout getting a low end emac anymore...
i still want a powermac ALOT..but its just just way too much money to get :( (about $2700 CDN just for the tower :()...even though im moving out in late '03...
would the emac be awesome for games/dvds (superdrive)/listening to music? cuz i'll probably be getting a dvd for xmas (hopefully "the last waltz" (music concert) or some movie lol) and i dont want to end up using my pc a majority of the time for games/movies...even tho the emac could easily kick my pc's but if it had one :) (since my puter is already 3 years old..and emac even has a better vid card than my pc...but my dvd rom drive on my pc is 16x while the dvd-rom on the superdrive is only 6-8x :()
thanx
-SilvorX
hopefully switching soon...but i cant stop thinking :(

[irmongoose]

If you're willing to spend the money on it, there is no doubt the iMac is much better than the eMac... LCD screen, moving the screen, and it just simply looks much much better. That's what I think...




irmongoose

[Megaquad]

Get that 800 mhz superdrive eMac! 17" screen is bigger then iMac's 15" and CRT is a lot better for your eyes. Those LCD monitors are still imperfect (dead pixels, darker picture in some area's).

[iwantanewmac]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Megaquad
Get that 800 mhz superdrive eMac! 17" screen is bigger then iMac's 15" and CRT is a lot better for your eyes. Those LCD monitors are still imperfect (dead pixels, darker picture in some area's). [/QUOTE

No way that crt's are better for your yes.
lcd's release far less radiation and other stuff.

[SilvorX]

Originally posted by irmongoose
If you're willing to spend the money on it, there is no doubt the iMac is much better than the eMac... LCD screen, moving the screen, and it just simply looks much much better. That's what I think...

irmongoose
i dont mind crt vs lcd, but the high end 15" seems a lil pricy when compared to the high end emac...the imac being $2,649.00 CDN (lots of computer stores have it for $2799) (while the powermac is $2699) and the emac is $2,299.00

what is the speed difference for the powermac (low end) vs emac...would it be much since the powermac has ddr ram, or would it be near the same? and is the geforce 2mx card on the emac near as good as the graphics card on the powermac?

[RBMaraman]

Didn't you say in an earlier post that your parents were getting you a Mac as a graduation present? If so, I have an idea for you.

First, don't buy anything until you graduate.
Second, get a job.
Third, save your money.
Fourth, have your parents buy you a PowerMac, you pay for the monitor, software, and any upgrades to RAM, etc...

Everyones happy, you get a great machine, and you prove that you've earned it.

[SilvorX]

Originally posted by RBMaraman
Didn't you say in an earlier post that your parents were getting you a Mac as a graduation present? If so, I have an idea for you.

First, don't buy anything until you graduate.
Second, get a job.
Third, save your money.
Fourth, have your parents buy you a PowerMac, you pay for the monitor, software, and any upgrades to RAM, etc...

Everyones happy, you get a great machine, and you prove that you've earned it.
i could TRY to do that lol...since the powermac is bout the same price as a high end 15" imac, but till then i could use the current monitor untill i can afford a new monitor, but i just cant wait till june anymore :(, i could easily wait back earlier this year, but since the first time i ever used a G4 PowerMac...i LOVED using it (ive used a pmac g3 but i forget how it was lol)

[SilvorX]

still thinking :(...i doubt i'dd be able to get the powermac tower on its own tho...
what would be the benefit (either than screen and faster drive) of getting a combo drive imac over a superdrive emac, theyre the same price, emac has larger screen (while imac has lcd screen), emac has 60 gig drive, and imac has pro speakers...how well do pro speakers run?
ill try seeing what my dad thinks (cuz hes gonna try talking to my uncle also) and i cant seem to find any optical drive cases (usb/firewire) on macwarehouse and another canadian site i go to, only hard drive cases :(...so if i wanted an extra drive...either buy a $300 CDN drive or get a powermac would be the best choice...

[vniow]

Apple's Pro speakers are pretty good for their size and price.
Not a whole lot of bass, but that's to be expected.
Since you seem to be torn between the iMac and the eMac, I'd say go for whichever one looks better in your eyes.:p
That is, unless you don't want to burn DVDs, in that case, go the eMac.:)

But if I were you, I'd try to talk your dad into getting the tower.
If he can see that it would be better in the long run, then he may go for it.

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by SilvorX

i dont mind crt vs lcd, but the high end 15" seems a lil pricy when compared to the high end emac...the imac being $2,649.00 CDN (lots of computer stores have it for $2799) (while the powermac is $2699) and the emac is $2,299.00

what is the speed difference for the powermac (low end) vs emac...would it be much since the powermac has ddr ram, or would it be near the same? and is the geforce 2mx card on the emac near as good as the graphics card on the powermac?

There is no comparring the dual 867 to any of the iMacs or eMacs in speed. The dual will more then double any of them in most areas.

On the question of which is faster the high end eMac or the middle iMac. Last months Macworld had a comparison of the two and they are almost exactly the same in all tests.

[SilvorX]

lol i got that month's macworld..forgot that for a few hrs
but i was thinking how much better a geforce 4mx would be compared to the geforce 2mx

hopefully whatever i get i'll enjoy lol
would it be good to buy in november tho?
the "free printer" deal's long gone now :(...too bad it expired last week n not at the end of nov lol

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by SilvorX
lol i got that month's macworld..forgot that for a few hrs
but i was thinking how much better a geforce 4mx would be compared to the geforce 2mx

hopefully whatever i get i'll enjoy lol
would it be good to buy in november tho?
the "free printer" deal's long gone now :(...too bad it expired last week n not at the end of nov lol

Don't get imaptient the biggest computer selling time of the year is just around the corner around Christmas. There will be more specials without a doubt.

[SilvorX]

probably lol, the good thing bout a mac is that even like a year or 2 after u buy it, its still not obsolete, while a pc it becomes obsolete in under a month...n i know ppl with 2.x ghz p4s whining that they want more....

[zarathustra]

Originally posted by edvniow

That is, unless you don't want to burn DVDs, in that case, go the eMac.:)


The eMac comes with a SuperDrive.

Click here for Info. (http://www.apple.com/emac/superdrive.html)

[SilvorX]

i have no need for burning dvds, i only like to watch em :D lol, combo drive sounds ALOT better deal compared to the superdrive

[vniow]

Originally posted by zarathustra


The eMac comes with a SuperDrive.

Click here for Info. (http://www.apple.com/emac/superdrive.html)


Oops.:o
I meant to say it the opposite way. If you DO want to burn DVDs, go for the eMac.

[SilvorX]

Originally posted by edvniow



Oops.:o
I meant to say it the opposite way. If you DO want to burn DVDs, go for the eMac.
lol its ok, i was asking someone if the powermac was a good deal to get or if i should just get an emac, and it sounds like the emac is the way to go...but im just afraid that it might be slow for games/dvds :(, and 700 mhz processor doesnt sound good :(...but then again its still faster than my pc...

[vniow]

The dual will definately be better in games, plus it's expandable so you can upgrade the card when you need more power.
If you have access to a monitor, then I'd seriously try to talk your dad into the Powermac. It's the better choice in the long run.:)

[SilvorX]

Originally posted by edvniow
The dual will definately be better in games, plus it's expandable so you can upgrade the card when you need more power.
If you have access to a monitor, then I'd seriously try to talk your dad into the Powermac. It's the better choice in the long run.:)
i do have a pc dont i? lol...i'll have to talk to him around the first week of nov, i'll be going to a mac store *hopefully* n ill test out the emac/imac/powermac n see which one i should get....
the powermac is a lil pricy tho :(..i wish there was still a cd-rw model lol

[vniow]

Originally posted by SilvorX

i'll be going to a mac store *hopefully* n ill test out the emac/imac/powermac n see which one i should get....


That't probably the single best thing you can do right now to help you figure out which one to get.
Don't always take our word for it, sometimes you just have to try it out for your self.

But I will say that I'm unimpressed with the qualty of the eMac's screen.
My 15" flat Sony CRT that I bought off of eBay a couple years ago has a sharper picture.:rolleyes:

If you do go to a store soon, remember that you can open the case of the Powermacs while they're still running so you can peek inside.;)

[SilvorX]

Originally posted by edvniow


That't probably the single best thing you can do right now to help you figure out which one to get.
Don't always take our word for it, sometimes you just have to try it out for your self.

But I will say that I'm unimpressed with the qualty of the eMac's screen.
My 15" flat Sony CRT that I bought off of eBay a couple years ago has a sharper picture.:rolleyes:

If you do go to a store soon, remember that you can open the case of the Powermacs while they're still running so you can peek inside.;)
ya, i could try going to it this weekend but its a long drive :(, so i'll wait till the beginning of next month
when i saw the 17" emac screen it looked interesting...since its flat...but my eyes were mainly on a 933 powermac...i was drooling (not literally ;) lol) when i used it with osx...its niccccce lol...i really wanted an imac till about the time i saw the 933..damn theyre sweet....

[G5orbust]

Originally posted by SilvorX

i do have a pc dont i? lol...i'll have to talk to him around the first week of nov, i'll be going to a mac store *hopefully* n ill test out the emac/imac/powermac n see which one i should get....
the powermac is a lil pricy tho :(..i wish there was still a cd-rw model lol


run xbench on all of the machines. You'll see pretty quickly which one is the best choice for you.

[SilvorX]

Originally posted by G5orbust



run xbench on all of the machines. You'll see pretty quickly which one is the best choice for you.
most of the puters probably wont be hooked up to the net, but the only computer i remember (mac) that was hooked up to the net was an imac (someone was using it) and the 933...

[8thDegreeSavage]

I say forget the eMacs and iMacs and buy a discontinued Power Mac...i have a single Processor 867 QS Power Mac and i find it to be pretty kick ass still. And you can pick one of these up for really cheap nowadays,,,,look out for the 933 that ones a beauty....just pick up a new vid card and some ram and you will have a great machine...stay away from the new DDR macs till the next rev if you really want one of those.

[SilvorX]

im trying to get ahold of a friend, seeing if hes thinking of selling his QS (he was saying he might sell his QS back in july) but no luck so far, i looked around for discontinued, but no luck so far..., i'll try phoning a local mac store soon asking if they still have any 933s or 800s...
but if no luck...emac here i come :S lol

[SilvorX]

after doing some comparisons, i looked around at compusmart.com (the place i'm going to be buying the mac cuz my dad said so lol..n he doesnt believe in buying stuff over the net) and im thinking of getting a low end emac, more ram, lacie 120 gig firewire drive, Acomdata 40X12X48 burner USB drive (mac compatible)...which would be slightly cheaper (or around the same amount) as if i got a 20 gig ipod...and if im allowed to get something else, might get a dig cam or something...

[vniow]

'bout damn time.;)
Good luck with your new Mac whatever you finally decide on.
Wish I could join you in the world of Apple.:(
Still gotta wait for ca$h so I can get my Cube.

[sparkleytone]

it needs to be a firewire drive. there is no usb2 on macs.

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by SilvorX
i have no need for burning dvds, i only like to watch em :D lol, combo drive sounds ALOT better deal compared to the superdrive

I think you're taking the wrong perspective on the DVD burner. I did this too and so do most people until it is explained to them. I personally don't think I will be burning very many DVD videos though I copied a friends trip across asia by motorcycle on video to DVD for him. The biggest reason for a DVD burner is back-up. Think about it 4.5gigs useable per disc. I recently bought 100disc for $89. Granted they don't work for DVD-Video in all but the latest players but that's 450gigs of useable back-up space for $89 and I recently saw them for under $80. That's cheap. Think about it that's less then 20 cents a gig.

[SilvorX]

Originally posted by MacBandit


I think you're taking the wrong perspective on the DVD burner. I did this too and so do most people until it is explained to them. I personally don't think I will be burning very many DVD videos though I copied a friends trip across asia by motorcycle on video to DVD for him. The biggest reason for a DVD burner is back-up. Think about it 4.5gigs useable per disc. I recently bought 100disc for $89. Granted they don't work for DVD-Video in all but the latest players but that's 450gigs of useable back-up space for $89 and I recently saw them for under $80. That's cheap. Think about it that's less then 20 cents a gig.
i dont have a camcorder or anything :P...a combo drive emac will do good...ive never had a need for a dvd burner (since i got my dvd rom drive) since i dont have a big demand for dvd related stuff...just watch a movie when im bored n thats bout it...

it needs to be a firewire drive. there is no usb2 on macs.
someone needs to beat up the company :o....it says "mac os compatible" lol

'bout damn time.
Good luck with your new Mac whatever you finally decide on.
Wish I could join you in the world of Apple.
Still gotta wait for ca$h so I can get my Cube.
i kno, its alot better deal than getting a superdrive cuz with a burner and 120 gig drive it will be about the same price

[sparkleytone]

Originally posted by SilvorX


someone needs to beat up the company :o....it says "mac os compatible" lol



well....while it is somewhat misleading, i'm pretty sure it probably is MacOS compatible...but what they don't tell you is that if you don't have USB2.0 then you are going to be stuck burning at 4x maximum. There are some great firewire drives out there. Especially the LaCie and Formac drives.

[SilvorX]

Originally posted by sparkleytone


well....while it is somewhat misleading, i'm pretty sure it probably is MacOS compatible...but what they don't tell you is that if you don't have USB2.0 then you are going to be stuck burning at 4x maximum. There are some great firewire drives out there. Especially the LaCie and Formac drives.
ya, it probably would be slow :(....i've scrapped the usb burner (40x) and thinking lacie 48x cd-rw drive now...cuz of firewire...but its $100 more..ah well lol

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by sparkleytone


well....while it is somewhat misleading, i'm pretty sure it probably is MacOS compatible...but what they don't tell you is that if you don't have USB2.0 then you are going to be stuck burning at 4x maximum. There are some great firewire drives out there. Especially the LaCie and Formac drives.

Standard USB can handle up to and sometimes over a 10x burner. That's only 1.5MB/S and USB is 2MB/S on a dedicated bus.

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by SilvorX

i dont have a camcorder or anything :P...a combo drive emac will do good...ive never had a need for a dvd burner (since i got my dvd rom drive) since i dont have a big demand for dvd related stuff...just watch a movie when im bored n thats bout it...


I hate to point this out but you missed my point. I was pointing out that you can use the DVD burner for backing up data not video. Reread my post with this in mind. At less then 20 cents a gig it's a really cheap way to backup your computer data.

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by SilvorX

ya, it probably would be slow :(....i've scrapped the usb burner (40x) and thinking lacie 48x cd-rw drive now...cuz of firewire...but its $100 more..ah well lol

External burners are such a rip-off. I just bought a 2nd internal for my tower for $57 40x12x48 Lite-on and is compatible with DiscBurner and iTunes out of the box.

[SilvorX]

Originally posted by MacBandit



I hate to point this out but you missed my point. I was pointing out that you can use the DVD burner for backing up data not video. Reread my post with this in mind. At less then 20 cents a gig it's a really cheap way to backup your computer data.
if i can find a place in canada that sells dvd-rom discs for 20-30c a gig i'll buy a dvd burner lol, the local computer store had like 50 bux for 5 dvds (4.7 gig discs)...and thats in CDN $$$$...and just checked their site and the cheapest dvd-r is $10 for one dvd :(

External burners are such a rip-off. I just bought a 2nd internal for my tower for $57 40x12x48 Lite-on and is compatible with DiscBurner and iTunes out of the box.
i know that external drives are a rip-off :(, internal drives are up to 75% less than en external drive, i could take full benefit of internal if i got a powermac...speaking of powermac, what brand of cd burner is fully mac compatible n fits perfectly in a powermac?

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by SilvorX

if i can find a place in canada that sells dvd-rom discs for 20-30c a gig i'll buy a dvd burner lol, the local computer store had like 50 bux for 5 dvds (4.7 gig discs)...and thats in CDN $$$$...and just checked their site and the cheapest dvd-r is $10 for one dvd :(


i know that external drives are a rip-off :(, internal drives are up to 75% less than en external drive, i could take full benefit of internal if i got a powermac...speaking of powermac, what brand of cd burner is fully mac compatible n fits perfectly in a powermac?

There are a few brands. The Lite-On that I'm getting fits but you have to remove the door face (on the drive not the computer) which is easy it just pops on and off.

To find more just check out www.xlr8yourmac.com and read the drive compatiblility lists.

Als to get DVDs for cheap check out.

http://www.supermediastore.com/

and

http://www.rima.com/

[SilvorX]

when u say popping off the door, does that mean the front of the tray drive?
and pretty good prices on dvd-rs..

if i was going to get a powermac..i'dd put in my 16x LG dvd-rom drive (ya ive been to xlr8yourmac.com b4)..

[sparkleytone]

just because USB is rated to handle it, there is a reason you can only get 4x drives for USB1.1 It just cannot handle it.

[SilvorX]

i might be getting a powermac, cuz i was telling my dad that the powermac is well worth the money...even tho its expensive, and that the emac isnt that great unless i didnt want to use it much, and we'll have to wait and see what happens in a month, hopefully i end up getting an emac, even if i have to use the pc monitor for it...
i'll probably just use the ram it has in there, n when i have enough money i'll get 256-512 megs more since its pretty expensive (dont want to spend too much on the computer since even $2699 CDN IS expensive)

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by SilvorX
i might be getting a powermac, cuz i was telling my dad that the powermac is well worth the money...even tho its expensive, and that the emac isnt that great unless i didnt want to use it much, and we'll have to wait and see what happens in a month, hopefully i end up getting an emac, even if i have to use the pc monitor for it...
i'll probably just use the ram it has in there, n when i have enough money i'll get 256-512 megs more since its pretty expensive (dont want to spend too much on the computer since even $2699 CDN IS expensive)


Okay this is just strange. You state that you might get the tower and that the eMac isn't that great (by the way knowing my dad saying that the other one isn't that great could really back fire on you) then you go on to say you hoep you get the eMac. I assume you mean the tower because then you state, "even if I have to use the pc monitor for it".

To your previous post about which door I was refering to. I don't want to get in your face again on this but you seem to really not read whole threads. I did state specifically the face off the CD-R drive.

Which ever you get I'm sure you will like it. Good luck. :)

[SilvorX]

Originally posted by MacBandit



Okay this is just strange. You state that you might get the tower and that the eMac isn't that great (by the way knowing my dad saying that the other one isn't that great could really back fire on you) then you go on to say you hoep you get the eMac. I assume you mean the tower because then you state, "even if I have to use the pc monitor for it".

To your previous post about which door I was refering to. I don't want to get in your face again on this but you seem to really not read whole threads. I did state specifically the face off the CD-R drive.

Which ever you get I'm sure you will like it. Good luck. :)
lol i was telling him that if i got the emac, it wouldnt be cost saving for me (cuz i'dd have to buy everything externally except ram) and i priced out an emac with some extra hardware to a powermac n they were near the same price at the end, and i was telling him that my dvd rom drive (purchased with bday money earlier this year) wouldnt go to waste....and ive used a powermac b4 and i fell in love with using them the first time i ever used one in august :)
im probably going to use the vga monitor (17") that i use with my pc since if we got a new monitor also, it would end up being $3000 CDN :(, but my dad may buy a monitor, but i dunno...
actually yes i have been reading the threads (carefully too), it just doesnt seem safe, since i paid $100-$200 CDN for a hardware device, n if i remove the face of the drive and the drive breaks...im screwed..thats y i was asking more about it...and ya i knew it was the face of the optical drive

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by SilvorX

lol i was telling him that if i got the emac, it wouldnt be cost saving for me (cuz i'dd have to buy everything externally except ram) and i priced out an emac with some extra hardware to a powermac n they were near the same price at the end, and i was telling him that my dvd rom drive (purchased with bday money earlier this year) wouldnt go to waste....and ive used a powermac b4 and i fell in love with using them the first time i ever used one in august :)
im probably going to use the vga monitor (17") that i use with my pc since if we got a new monitor also, it would end up being $3000 CDN :(, but my dad may buy a monitor, but i dunno...
actually yes i have been reading the threads (carefully too), it just doesnt seem safe, since i paid $100-$200 CDN for a hardware device, n if i remove the face of the drive and the drive breaks...im screwed..thats y i was asking more about it...and ya i knew it was the face of the optical drive

The face is meant to be removable on the drive. I'll tell you more when I receive the drive. Should be here tomorrow.

[SilvorX]

okie, when my hpee burner went dead (it was ejecting a disc) on hexpee, it wouldnt close, and i had to push the tray back in, and i noticed the door was a lil "wiggly", but i didnt know why, and i had to get the drive replaced (only had a few days left in warranty left) and got the replacement less than 3 days after i phoned them up...tonite i'll try seeing if my cd rom drive door comes off easily, if so, i wont need anymore help about how to get the door off....

[MacBandit]

I installed the Lite-On drive in my new Dual/DDR last night. It was a breeze. I'm really impressed by the new case. Everything inside it has it's own carrier so if you want to remove it you unplug the device and take a screw out and slide the carrier out. You then can install your drive or whatever in the carrier without fumbling inside the computer.

The front cover on the Lite-On just pops on and off very simply.

[SilvorX]

Originally posted by MacBandit
I installed the Lite-On drive in my new Dual/DDR last night. It was a breeze. I'm really impressed by the new case. Everything inside it has it's own carrier so if you want to remove it you unplug the device and take a screw out and slide the carrier out. You then can install your drive or whatever in the carrier without fumbling inside the computer.

The front cover on the Lite-On just pops on and off very simply.
hmm hopefully my LG does that too, i'll do some testing with an old spare cd rom drive, if it pops off, woo hooo, does the tray have to be opened to pop it off?

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by SilvorX

hmm hopefully my LG does that too, i'll do some testing with an old spare cd rom drive, if it pops off, woo hooo, does the tray have to be opened to pop it off?

Yes, I had to plug it into the computer and turn the computer on for power to eject the tray.

[SilvorX]

Originally posted by MacBandit


Yes, I had to plug it into the computer and turn the computer on for power to eject the tray.
i'll have to try that sometime soon, hopefully i dont break the drive tho lol

[MacBandit]

By the way I can now burn an MP3 or data cd in less then 2 Minutes and to complete verify and everything is less then 2.5 Minutes. This I find very impressive.

Also my CD ripping speed on my new Dual/Ghz/DDR went from a max of 24.5 near the end of a cd to 30.5 simply because of the faster read rate. Very cool.

[SilvorX]

Originally posted by MacBandit
By the way I can now burn an MP3 or data cd in less then 2 Minutes and to complete verify and everything is less then 2.5 Minutes. This I find very impressive.

Also my CD ripping speed on my new Dual/Ghz/DDR went from a max of 24.5 near the end of a cd to 30.5 simply because of the faster read rate. Very cool.
wow
i tried taking off the the drive door and it seems to be stuck there :(

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by SilvorX

wow
i tried taking off the the drive door and it seems to be stuck there :(

Don't force it. The the drive door on the Lite-On was obviously removable. You could see little catchs all the way around the inside of it were it attaches to the tray.

[SilvorX]

Originally posted by MacBandit


Don't force it. The the drive door on the Lite-On was obviously removable. You could see little catchs all the way around the inside of it were it attaches to the tray.
lol i didnt really force it, i tried for like 5 seconds (cuz i didnt want to have to get my burner replaced.....again lol) to see if i could get it off, what if its glued on tho?

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by SilvorX

lol i didnt really force it, i tried for like 5 seconds (cuz i didnt want to have to get my burner replaced.....again lol) to see if i could get it off, what if its glued on tho?

HackSaw or maybe a chainsaw. :D

Really you can pick up a fast CD burner for less then $40 that is fully compatible with iTunes and DiscBurner.

[SilvorX]

actually its a dvd rom drive lol, i can live without a 2nd drive for a while, and i'll try looking around and half a year after i get the powermac i might get a 40x burner or something....

a lil off topic question, what ever happened to the dvd ram model powermacs?

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by SilvorX
actually its a dvd rom drive lol, i can live without a 2nd drive for a while, and i'll try looking around and half a year after i get the powermac i might get a 40x burner or something....

a lil off topic question, what ever happened to the dvd ram model powermacs?

I just think that DVD-Ram wasn't as popular as the SuperDrive so they discontinued it.

[SilvorX]

hmm thats wha i thought lol, i heard stevie got apple to patent it or something...but it does seem pretty slow, theres dvd ram drives being sold on a computer store website i usually go to...but theyre like $800 CDN..pretty expensive for a dvd ram drive lol