10.4.1 Seeded to Developers

[MacRumors]

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Both AppleInsider (http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1058) and independent MacRumors sources claim that Apple has seeded the first builds of 10.4.1 to developers. The build is said to fix more than 20 bugs already reported to Apple regarding various software and hardware incompatabilities with Tiger. Key issues regarding stability and reliability of the OS as a whole are the focus, along with user issues with certain D-link networking equipment.

According to the rumor site, the forthcoming update is expected to be released mid to late-May.

[MattG]

Hopefully this will fix my issues with QT7, but I doubt it.

[t300]

Please! Now get that out to the public! Yeah!

[LEgregius]

That's one reason I'm waiting for this update before installing Tiger. I'm normally and early adopter, but I'm totally in crunch time at work and can't afford to have tons of quirky problems.

[Sky Blue]

don't have any issues with Tiger at all, but any update is a good one...i hope

[mainstreetmark]

I wonder if it'll have "improved networking with window machines" in this one.

[M@netic]

please... please please...

[muire]

Does the hideous Mail.app interface count as a bug? ;)

As a side note, Cage Fighter (http://otierney.net/cagefighter/) works wonders!

[brap]

Deadlines are fine, fixes are better. Bring it on.

[wordmunger]

How about fixing all the Mail problems?

[iriejedi]

please... please please...


Of course I feel they can always improve on graphics drivers... but 10.4 did wonders over 10.3

For one even under 'reduced' CPU setting my Marine Aquarium SS at 1920X1600 (or whatever is the highest a 23inch HD from APPLE goes) shows marked FPS improvement.

390 to 392 was on 10.3

and

430 to 435 on 10.4

Not that visually you can tell that but the numbers don't lie! :p

[buryyourbrideau]

i dont know about anyone else but my dash sorta runs funny sometimes. it says about once a day weatherdashboardclient has unexpectedly quit. thats about the only "bug for me with tiger so far

[SiliconAddict]

Anyone else think this is critically stupid? A patch released to developers within a week of the OS being released? Bitch all you want about MS but their Consumer Beta Program is a cool idea that Apple should really consider adopting because it sounds as if this release is in response to complaints post release. If Apple had a generic beta program they could probably iron out a lot more of these bugs before the OS goes GM.

[Mudbug]

I'm personally ready for iphoto to not crash after a few minutes of use. That's a little irritating...

[nsjoker]

Hopefully this will fix my issues with QT7, but I doubt it.

what issues do you have w/ QT 7? i'm having issues with it too. when i minimize a playing movie i can't reopen it from the docked window, instead i have to click on the quicktime icon rather than the actual movie. also skipping ahead during a quicktime movie causes the little timeline indicator to freeze. really hope they fix this cause qt 7 is sweet.

[tortus]

I have also noticed some strange and intermitent quirks in Safari that are very annoying. Anyone else come accross such bugs?

[bommai]

Anyone else think this is critically stupid? A patch released to developers within a week of the OS being released? Bitch all you want about MS but their Consumer Beta Program is a cool idea that Apple should really consider adopting because it sounds as if this release is in response to complaints post release. If Apple had a generic beta program they could probably iron out a lot more of these bugs before the OS goes GM.

Apple Software Engineers were under pressure to get the GM out. Remember the GM was frozen at least a month before the release date. However, all the fixes they have identified after the freeze date is rolled into this update. Don't think that this is only to address problems found after the public got it.

-Siva

[swissmann]

I'm anxious for the update. I have noticed some glitches and have had to restart a few times (or was too impatient for the computer to work itself out of a mess). QT7 impresses and discourages at the same time, nice H.264 stuff, why does it now need to flatten a movie when saving off the web?, kind of jumpy, and I hate that little launch window. The only way I am able to open anything into Adobe CS is by launching the app and then selecting the open menu. I can't double click, go from iPhoto, drag to the dock icon, etc. Overall Tiger seems nervous, being way faster at most things but then hanging and thinking for a bit way too often. I have had to quit the dock a few times. My networking seems unstable and moody. I can't print to my network printer. Oh and still since 10.2 in column view if you arrow down a list and then shift click away from where you landed it doesn't select the range. You need to click on that item and then shift click away. Also open a window and make it look like you want, close it, open it up again, it views differently (like icon view instead of column view). The best fix I have for this is open a window, change it to column view, RESIZE IT, close it before navigating, open it again and it keeps. I like dashboard but the widgets seem too stiff in a lot of ways like the Fed Ex tracker isn't wide enough to show the time of each line of info but I can't resize the window or text. Also, with a medium or small screen those widgets get very crowded very quickly, we need an expose of the widgets feature. Overall I am very impressed with Tiger though.

[peterj1967]

Amen...

I'm personally ready for iphoto to not crash after a few minutes of use. That's a little irritating...

[t300]

For most of those who say that Tiger has given them NO problems, I say this: You haven't done everything there is to do in Tiger yet, then. Because there ARE bugs. Whether or not you've encountered them is entirely due to you, but they are there. We all got the same build of Tiger shipped out to us and they do exist. Have no worries. Apple will take care of them.

[swissmann]

what issues do you have w/ QT 7? i'm having issues with it too. when i minimize a playing movie i can't reopen it from the docked window, instead i have to click on the quicktime icon rather than the actual movie. also skipping ahead during a quicktime movie causes the little timeline indicator to freeze. really hope they fix this cause qt 7 is sweet.

I tried to simulate your problems in QT7 but everything worked just fine. I tested a standard DV 30 second movie. Those H.264 movie trailers are big files and take a lot of processing I think because the most glitchyness I have seen is with them.

[scu]

This is the kind of news I look forward to hearing. A few more updates to Tiger and I will be ready to buy it. Until then everyone can just Beta test it for Apple. :D

[swissmann]

i dont know about anyone else but my dash sorta runs funny sometimes. it says about once a day weatherdashboardclient has unexpectedly quit. thats about the only "bug for me with tiger so far

I haven't had that one yet. In fact no problems with dashboard just that I have too many to fit on my screen.

[mkrishnan]

For most of those who say that Tiger has given them NO problems, I say this: You haven't done everything there is to do in Tiger yet, then. Because there ARE bugs. Whether or not you've encountered them is entirely due to you, but they are there. We all got the same build of Tiger shipped out to us and they do exist. Have no worries. Apple will take care of them.

Yeah, I totally agree. Just think that when people start threads that claim that QT7 and Tiger or not compatible at all, and that it is impossible to run QT7 on Tiger, or that Safari 2 is incompatible with Tiger.... :rolleyes:

With Panther, it seemed to take 3-4 weeks for a seeded OS dot upgrade to get finished. I say that if Apple releases a 10.4.1 in a month, bravo to them. :)

NOW, to see if I can score a month of uptime till then! :D

[nels0360]

Safari is a dog. I get that damn spinning beachball very frequently. I think it might have to so with Java Scripting. I'm going to turn that off in the preferences and see if it makes a difference.

[swissmann]

I'm personally ready for iphoto to not crash after a few minutes of use. That's a little irritating...

I'v worked fairly extensively in iPhoto and had no crashes at all. I'm using iPhoto 5.0.2.

[iMetalG5]

I'm personally ready for iphoto to not crash after a few minutes of use. That's a little irritating...

amen


other strange things are with QT7 not being smooth. But i hope this update comes soon. I'd be curious of what bugs it fixes.

[Zaty]

It looks like 10.4.1 is going to be a big update. I hope Apple can fix as many bugs as possible.

[dsharits]

QT7 is looking really, really awesome, but so far it seem to be the buggiest thing about Tiger. Other than a few little graphics bugs from time to time in Dashboard, nothing major yet.

[Sol]

Oh no, now everyone has to re-run their Doom 3 benchmark tests.
:)

[~Shard~]

This is one of the reasons why I didn't buy Tiger right away. ;) Let the initial bugs get worked out, and then grab the .1 version. Good to see Apple is addressing these so promptly (of course, they pretty much have to!)

[wookitus]

For most of those who say that Tiger has given them NO problems, I say this: You haven't done everything there is to do in Tiger yet, then. Because there ARE bugs. Whether or not you've encountered them is entirely due to you, but they are there. We all got the same build of Tiger shipped out to us and they do exist. Have no worries. Apple will take care of them.

Thats not necessarily true. I've had very few problems with two of my systems, but an older G4 tower is showing bugs all over the place. So it might depend on your configuration.

[t300]

I also don't like how the World Clock widget takes 2 seconds to load up its face for me.

[NeoMayhem]

For most of those who say that Tiger has given them NO problems, I say this: You haven't done everything there is to do in Tiger yet, then. Because there ARE bugs. Whether or not you've encountered them is entirely due to you, but they are there. We all got the same build of Tiger shipped out to us and they do exist. Have no worries. Apple will take care of them.

I have very few problems with Tiger so far, none of which are really bugs with the OS. I have tried most of the new features and use apps like Mail and QT a lot.

I had a few problems with apps compiling with GCC 4, but 3.3 is still available and using it fixed the problems.

Thats really it, all my other apps either work fine, or are not compatible with tiger yet.

[ZildjianKX]

I wonder if this will fix Virtual PC's switch problem, or if that needs to addressed by MS.

I doubt that these will ever change, but it bugs me that if I want to slideshow something, I have to do it from right clicking, and I can't do it from the file menu. I've always seen the right click menu as a subset of the file menu... maybe that's just me... then again Apple never sticks to their conventions (like how some apps close when you hit the red x, others don't, or how the mail app looks).

[sky131]

I keep getting insufficient bandwidth when trying to initiate a video chat. This is odd because I have Road Runner Premium.

Toast needs an update too. I had to try and copy a disk on the quick yesterday only to realize that Toast cannot do this yet in Tiger, but that one is not Apple fault.

I don't like the way Spotlight indexes iPhoto pictures. It should hide anything with "Original" in the name so I don't get duplicates of every silly picture I have edited in iPhoto. Also, iPhoto should give us the ability to rename files and not just titles that way we can actually use spotlight to find pictures. System preferences should not randomly turn the input volume from my iSight down. Network should find PC workgroups other than "Workgroup" as it was able to do in 10.3. I am back to using Connect to Server. Perhaps this new .Mac should work also... Oh well, I knew what I was doing getting in on the ground floor of this deal...

Other than that Tiger is decent.

[abrooks]

The only way I am able to open anything into Adobe CS is by launching the app and then selecting the open menu. I can't double click, go from iPhoto, drag to the dock icon, etc.

Now this is what I'm talking about! This is so damn annoying, even sometime going to Open With doesn't work. :mad:

[quackattack]

While I haven't had too many issues, I think we will all breath a little easier when this patch comes out!

[sorryiwasdreami]

I'm hoping graphics will be smoother in Exposé and scrolling like they used to be in Panther. Also, I get a beachball every time quicktime is needed in Safari.

[Lancetx]

Anyone else think this is critically stupid? A patch released to developers within a week of the OS being released? Bitch all you want about MS but their Consumer Beta Program is a cool idea that Apple should really consider adopting because it sounds as if this release is in response to complaints post release. If Apple had a generic beta program they could probably iron out a lot more of these bugs before the OS goes GM.

Yep. And we all know how well their beta program worked when XP SP2 was released eh? :rolleyes: Nobody had any major issues with that update right? :p

Sorry for the sarcasm, but in all seriousness, Tiger has far fewer issues than the last major Windows release did by a long shot. That being said, I'm sure we'll all feel much better once 10.4.1 comes along as there are definitely some bugs in the initial release that need to be ironed out.

[jelloshotsrule]

The only way I am able to open anything into Adobe CS is by launching the app and then selecting the open menu. I can't double click, go from iPhoto, drag to the dock icon, etc.

i had this problem several months ago, well before tiger...

reinstalling photoshop fixed it.

in any case, it's not tiger specific

[dsharits]

Yep. And we all know how well their beta program worked when XP SP2 was released eh? :rolleyes: Nobody had any major issues with that update right? :p

Sorry for the sarcasm, but in all seriousness, Tiger has far fewer issues than the last major Windows release did by a long shot. That being said, I'm sure we'll all feel much better once 10.4.1 comes along as there are definitely some bugs in the initial release that need to be ironed out.
That's a very good point. I can't wait to see how well their beta program works when (if) Longhorn is realeased. Can't you just hear the complaints already? :D

[cheapnis]

.Originally Posted by swissmann
The only way I am able to open anything into Adobe CS is by launching the app and then selecting the open menu.

I haven't been able to do this since 10.3.7 (possibly before) and can't now in 10.3.9 so it isn't a Tiger bug only. I'd reinstall CS but it's not all that big a hassle - yet.

[rdowns]

My only issue is iSync working with the Motorola v551 phone. I bought it because Apple advertised it as compatible with Tiger and it is one of the few phones that will work with Acura's bluetooth. I'm not holding my breath.

[daveL]

Anyone else think this is critically stupid? A patch released to developers within a week of the OS being released? Bitch all you want about MS but their Consumer Beta Program is a cool idea that Apple should really consider adopting because it sounds as if this release is in response to complaints post release. If Apple had a generic beta program they could probably iron out a lot more of these bugs before the OS goes GM.
This is exactly the same update schedule used for Panther; 10.3.1 came out a bit more than two weeks after Panther was released, then 10.3.2 followed a month after 10.3.1. Keep in mind that 10.4.0 was frozen for release 5 weeks ago; 10.4.1 has been in the works since then, not since last Friday.

[Klondijk]

I, too, sure hope they fix iPhoto. Beyond the crashing, if I edit a picture in any way (say, crop), iPhoto is saving the picture with over-saturated reds and highlights. I can watch it happen: I edit, then click to close the edit window or move to another photo, and just before the picture closes, the reds blow out. It makes my prints look awful, and essentially renders iPhoto's editing features unusable right now. Needless to say, this bizarre stuff wasn't happening in Panther. Anybody else seeing this? If it's widespread, it doesn't seem like an acceptable bug to ship Tiger with.

[patseguin]

I am new to the Apple Seed program. I am wondering if I install this, will I still be able to install the final 10.4.1 over that?

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

Hope 10.4.1 fixes whatever it is that's killing Firefox on my machine... I'm not in the mood for a clean install for another month or so...

[sandau]

NOW, to see if I can score a month of uptime till then! :D

18 days 17 hours for me right now....:) A few app crashes the first day (during the spotlight update I copied my entire mp3 library from an external disk and that blew the finder). other than that and 3rd party apps this is a rock.

[daveL]

I wonder if this will fix Virtual PC's switch problem, or if that needs to addressed by MS.
That's not a Tiger bug, per se. Tiger introduces a major network kext api change that breaks a lot of 3rd party network-related apps/features. That's why VPN, firewall and various other network apps are broken on Tiger. The problem is, M$ is going to take their good sweet time fixing VPC.

[yg17]

My only issue is iSync working with the Motorola v551 phone. I bought it because Apple advertised it as compatible with Tiger and it is one of the few phones that will work with Acura's bluetooth. I'm not holding my breath.

What issues are you having? I've got the v551 and I was able to sync my iCal to it, I didn't sync my contacts though

[SiliconAddict]

Curious about one thing. Those who are having problems...how did you install Tiger?

[daveL]

I am new to the Apple Seed program. I am wondering if I install this, will I still be able to install the final 10.4.1 over that?
Of course.

[patseguin]

What issues are you having? I've got the v551 and I was able to sync my iCal to it, I didn't sync my contacts though

Through bluetooth or USB? I've tried to "discover" my 551 and the bluetooth wizard won't pick it up.

[CubaTBird]

i dunno if u can say tiger has bugs.. i guess it does as did previous versions of os x always had some... i think this release of tiger has more "quirks" than anything else... :rolleyes:

[jcrowe]

I've noticed since upgrading from Jaguar to Tiger on an original 800Mhz G4 iMac that anything related to networking is almost non-functional. I have a firewall/switch connected to DSL and this is a problem only on my Mac..my PC running W2K/Linux/FreeBSD is unaffected. This was pretty disappointing to me because I had read that the user experience was greatly improved by Tiger, especially from Jaguar. Not only that, but Spotlight is not really that great on my machine. I can't find much on the Apple support site that applies either. Oh well, it gives me pause about a planned hardware upgrade as well. Dashboard is conceptually cool, but it's mostly eye candy. I guess I'll do web-browsing and email from my PClone until this gets resolved. Before this upgrade, I rarely even bothered to boot the PClone.....enough whinging, but it does give Apple a bit of a black eye, IMO :mad:

[e²Studios]

I hope it fixes this issue

http://discussions.info.apple.com/webx?128@706.ouDqawnKRa9.1@.68ad8326

In short this is how it goes..

Login with Account A, FW HD is there
Go to Login screen/Switch
Login with Account B, FW HD is there
Account B Logs-out
Log Back in to Account A, FW HD disappeared, i have to use the disk
utility to remount it

Account A never logged out, but still lost the drive mount when
Account B logged off :(

This effects ANY FW HD, its a big bummer since i share my mac with my family. HOPEFULLY it gets fixed.... *fingers crossed*

Ed

[Stella]

Hope Apple stablize Quartz 2D extreme.

Better performance, I get frequent spinning beach balls too... with 512MB ram.

Also, whilst Automator is a good app - its hell to use because it sooo slow even after only 4 or 5 items. Additionally, some commands don't work when workflows are saved as an app or plug in - yet they work fine inside Automator.

[BanditBill]

I'm glad Apple released Tiger, even if it has some issues. For those buying new machines, there is no upgrade cost at a later date (for Tiger). It also gets rid of the old stock that doesn't come with Tiger pre-loaded.

Many people have held off to install Tiger, because as with the release of any new OS there is potential for new issues. Good thinking.

Bravo Apple, for coming out with an update so soon and being public about it. Actually now that I think about it Tiger went Gold master how long ago???

I'm waiting until WWDC to make a purchase, by then Tiger will be pre-loaded. Many "issues" will be ironed out. And something cool will have to be announced.

Yahh Tiger.... Yahhh WWDC

[micvog]

My only issue is iSync working with the Motorola v551 phone. I bought it because Apple advertised it as compatible with Tiger and it is one of the few phones that will work with Acura's bluetooth. I'm not holding my breath.

Assuming your issue is that you can pair your phone for file transfer, but the option to sync it with Address Book and iCal is grayed out, then the consensus on the Apple forums appears to be that a recent software upgrade to the phone broke compatability. The particular phone software version in question is R472_G_08.18.16R_0A.

I have the exact same problem (my phone was delivered a day after Tiger was released) and am hoping that Apple fixes it in 10.4.1. The AppleInsider article specifically mentions that issues with iSync are being addressed.

May I suggest anyone with a v551 having this problem call AppleCare (if you have AppleCare) and post to the Apple forums? Making sure Apple is aware of the issue can only help.

[Makosuke]

Like SiliconAddict, I'm also curious about how the people with the biggest problems installed. I'm running Tiger on a new-ish G5 and I did a completely clean install (then moved over only the preferesces I was sure I wanted from a seperate drive), and I've only seen a few very small glitches and one semi-arcane problem (specifically that I can't get a perl module to build, not on the same level as Mail.app problems). Largely everything has worked fine, though--much smoother than 10.3.0 for me.

Beyond the crashing, if I edit a picture in any way (say, crop), iPhoto is saving the picture with over-saturated reds and highlights. ... Anybody else seeing this?
I just tested it, and no, I can't say it's doing that to me. There might be a very subtle color shift when the image is "re-rendered" (actually re-saved as a JPEG, I suppose) immediately prior to closing it's edit window, but certainly nothing destructive to the color balance or highlites.

Though I admit that I'm not a color professional, so perhaps I'm just not noticing what you're seeing as a huge change.

[micvog]

What issues are you having? I've got the v551 and I was able to sync my iCal to it, I didn't sync my contacts though

Since this is my only problem with Tiger, can you let me know what phone software version you are using? The problematic version, which is also the most recent, appears to be R472_G_08.18.16R_0A.

[Cooknn]

I haven't been able to do this since 10.3.7 (possibly before) and can't now in 10.3.9 so it isn't a Tiger bug only. I'd reinstall CS but it's not all that big a hassle - yet.If you guys did an archive and install all you have to do is copy the 'Scripting Additions' folder to 'Library' from 'Previous System'. Adobe documented the problem and the fix here (http://www.adobe.com/support/techdocs/329996.html).

[mo0805]

mid- to late-may? [expletive deleted]

[micvog]

Through bluetooth or USB? I've tried to "discover" my 551 and the bluetooth wizard won't pick it up.

That is another known issue with the v551. The workaround is suppose to be the following (I forget where I found this - apologies to the original author):

1. Remove all pairing with the Motorola V551 from your Mac.
2. Remove all references to your Mac under "device history" on your v551.
3. Make sure your V551 has bluetooh turned on, then turn your phone off.
4. Begin pairing the v551 using "PHONE". Stop before detecting available devices!
5. Turn your phone on.
6. When you see the Bluetooth icon start to flash, continue detecting devices on your Mac.

If you are having this problem, then most likely you are NOT running R472_G_08.18.16R_0A on your v551 and you should be in good shape. If you are running R472_G_08.18.16R_0A, then the option to sync with iCal and AddressBook will most likely be grayed out (i.e. you will only be able to the the v551 as a wireless modem and browse your phone via BT).

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

Curious about one thing. Those who are having problems...how did you install Tiger?Archive and install, here... and I really haven't had any (serious) problems, apart from the fact that Firefox crashes before it is finished starting up... :confused:

Only things are that Mail crashed a couple of times, until I reinstalled gpg, and Safari has "Unexpectedly Quit" two or three times (always when I use cmd-W to close a tab).

[BornAgainMac]

Excellent news. Now people have no more excuses. :)

[Lacero]

For most of those who say that Tiger has given them NO problems, I say this: You haven't done everything there is to do in Tiger yet, then. Because there ARE bugs. Whether or not you've encountered them is entirely due to you, but they are there. We all got the same build of Tiger shipped out to us and they do exist. Have no worries. Apple will take care of them.
There are varying levels of buggery among the Tiger users, and I believe it's the results of how they maintain their computer systems. I have experienced very few bugs, not to be confused with interface quirks, in Tiger since I did do a completely clean install with no third-party hacks to muck the system.

[Lacero]

This is one of the reasons why I didn't buy Tiger right away. ;) Let the initial bugs get worked out, and then grab the .1 version. Good to see Apple is addressing these so promptly (of course, they pretty much have to!)You know what's funny about your statement, if Apple heeded the masses and released 10.4.1 as the GM instead of 8A428, people would be clamoring onto the 10.4.2 bandwagon, saying exactly the same thing you are saying. The bloody Tiger would never be released in it's quest for GM perfection.

[CelticBhoy]

Lots of people are getting a "generic host process" fault. Hopefully the update will fix that as well.

[munkle]

Does the hideous Mail.app interface count as a bug? ;)

As a side note, Cage Fighter (http://otierney.net/cagefighter/) works wonders!

There's also the aptly titled Mail Fixer (http://buyicons.com/).

[anonymous161]

http://www.macrumors.com/images/macrumorsthreadlogo.gif (http://www.macrumors.com)

Both AppleInsider (http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1058) and independent MacRumors sources claim that Apple has seeded the first builds of 10.4.1 to developers.

Wait.. Macrumors has sources?

[xperton3]

man i hope 10.4.1 fixes the wireless printing probs im having.....i got an hp multifuntion on my wireless network and when i tell it to print with PAGES it crashes out my system, however before the upgrade it worked great!!

please apple fix this problem

[AoWolf]

Does the hideous Mail.app interface count as a bug? ;)

As a side note, Cage Fighter (http://otierney.net/cagefighter/) works wonders!
It really is ugly now.

[daveL]

There are varying levels of buggery among the Tiger users, and I believe it's the results of how they maintain their computer systems. I have experienced very few bugs, not to be confused with interface quirks, in Tiger since I did do a completely clean install with no third-party hacks to muck the system.
I CCC'd my Panther install to a firewire drive. Then I did a clean install of Tiger. I then ran Migration Assistant using the "from another disk partition" option to bring in all my settings, Applications and home folder contents. I haven't had any issues. I use virtually no third party hacks (I had the PDF plugin for Safari, but that's gone now). Since I updated Popcorn last night, I really have no open issues, at this point, although I'm still looking into remote X11 session problems.

[dsharits]

You know what's funny about your statement, if Apple heeded the masses and released 10.4.1 as the GM instead of 8A428, people would be clamoring onto the 10.4.2 bandwagon, saying exactly the same thing you are saying. The bloody Tiger would never be released in it's quest for GM perfection.
And if Apple waited for absolute perfection, Tiger still would be released before Longhorn! :D

[aprilfools]

I keep getting insufficient bandwidth when trying to initiate a video chat. This is odd because I have Road Runner Premium.

Toast needs an update too. I had to try and copy a disk on the quick yesterday only to realize that Toast cannot do this yet in Tiger, but that one is not Apple fault.

I don't like the way Spotlight indexes iPhoto pictures. It should hide anything with "Original" in the name so I don't get duplicates of every silly picture I have edited in iPhoto. Also, iPhoto should give us the ability to rename files and not just titles that way we can actually use spotlight to find pictures. System preferences should not randomly turn the input volume from my iSight down. Network should find PC workgroups other than "Workgroup" as it was able to do in 10.3. I am back to using Connect to Server. Perhaps this new .Mac should work also... Oh well, I knew what I was doing getting in on the ground floor of this deal...

Other than that Tiger is decent.


check this out about Toast and OSX 10.4:
http://boards.support.roxio.com/roxio/board/message?board.id=0000020&message.id=12768#M12768

[brap]

It really is ugly now.Without cage fighter, I couldn't bear to run Mail.app. No, really... in a strange way it's like looking at Eudora, or other Carbonized OS9 relics. The GUI just don't fit in, I'd have stuck with Thunderbird.

[MongoTheGeek]

It really is ugly now.

Edit the nib...

Honestly I have had more problems with this build than with the prior beta.

[matticus008]

I know it's a personal preference thing, but I don't understand how people can like Thunderbird and dislike Mail 2. Thunderbird might have more "Mac-like" icons, but I literally could not use the old Mail. The drawer was absolutely ridiculous and the whole application didn't feel particularly professional to me.

Mail 2 has a new interface. It doesn't match button styles with some other parts of OS X. But neither does IE or Thunderbird or Photoshop. Yeah, it's an Apple application and it should conform to their HIG. But it seems unfair to complain about its interface when the only thing that seems to be wrong is that there are new icons.

For me, this is a polished and professional-looking mail client instead of some toy program that happens to get email. The new compose window is better, the three-pane view is now standard with all the other mail clients (including Thunderbird). I guess I must be missing something. Someone had to stand up for Mail, though.

[dsharits]

Without cage fighter, I couldn't bear to run Mail.app. No, really... in a strange way it's like looking at Eudora, or other Carbonized OS9 relics. The GUI just don't fit in, I'd have stuck with Thunderbird.
Looks aside, the new Mail is much more solid than previous versions. I'm slowly getting used to the new GUI, but I really like the rest of the way the new version is set up, with no drawers, faster navigation, etc. It will take a little time, but I think I'll fully adjust to the whole thing.

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

Does the hideous Mail.app interface count as a bug? It really is ugly now.Am I the only one that really likes the new Mail... looks and all...??? Edit: Except matticus008... :)

PS! I miss the status line in Mail, though...

[Lacero]

I love Mail 2.0. Compared to the old Mail, it looks much more compact, smoother and suited for professional use. Thank God they got rid of the drawers. That was pretty damn ugly.

[the_ki]

i had this problem several months ago, well before tiger...

reinstalling photoshop fixed it.

in any case, it's not tiger specific

You don't even have to reinstall Photoshop:

http://www.adobe.com/support/techdocs/329996.html

[matticus008]

Am I the only one that really likes the new Mail... looks and all...???
No sir! I love it! I only wish it would implement an Automator-style interface for building filter rules (because I'm lazy like that).

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

No sir! I love it! I only wish it would implement an Automator-style interface for building filter rules (because I'm lazy like that).Yes, I saw that... and edited my post above...

I love Mail 2.0. Compared to the old Mail, it looks much more compact, smoother and suited for professional use. Thank God they got rid of the drawers. That was pretty damn ugly.Thank you... I totally agree...

I knew I wasn't alone... :D

[matticus008]

Yes, I saw that... and edited my post above...


Hehe. That wasn't necessary, but thanks :D
I was just reaffirming my love of Mail for the world (or at least the MacRumors forums...)

[cubedco]

I wonder if it'll have "improved networking with window machines" in this one.
that's a baseless comment...

windows networking is FARRR better in Tiger. it blew junks in Panther.

Try before you cry.

[tYNS]

For most of those who say that Tiger has given them NO problems, I say this: You haven't done everything there is to do in Tiger yet, then. Because there ARE bugs. Whether or not you've encountered them is entirely due to you, but they are there. We all got the same build of Tiger shipped out to us and they do exist. Have no worries. Apple will take care of them.

I agree. I have been using Tiger in a work environment. There are a lot of bugs. Apple is obviously going to fix them. I suggest people in work environments hold back from Tiger till a revision or two.. I am stuck with some rather annoying issues currently. But from all the new features that I am noticing thus far.. Apple definitely has a winner on its hands after the problems are fixed.

[Dagless]

just 20 bugs fixed? ive encountered double that so far! including DNS errors, Dashboard fading-in-positional problems, Mail crashing when it tries to reopen up unsent messages, some widgets (even official Tiger-bundled ones) crash randomly even when Dashboard isnt activated, Automator is very slow, cant get the scroll/hand tool in Preview anymore (its permanently grayed out)... i could go on given time.

i am pleased to see many things right with it though. personally im loving Mails new look, and that my Logitech V500 now scrolls horizontally without mac drivers installed. just need to work out those little bugs!

oh and some extra options would be nice, like not putting the machine to sleep if you close the lid on the portables.

[dsharits]

Am I the only one that really likes the new Mail... looks and all...??? Edit: Except matticus008... :)
I do. I had mixed feelings about it at first, but now that I've had time to work with it, I like the whole thing. It's much better that any previous versions, and it's ifinitely better than Outlook, but that goes without saying. ;)

[Dr.Gargoyle]

man i hope 10.4.1 fixes the wireless printing probs im having.....i got an hp multifuntion on my wireless network and when i tell it to print with PAGES it crashes out my system, however before the upgrade it worked great!!

please apple fix this problem
Have you tried to reinstall the printer? I had some issues right after I installed Tiger, but delete and reinstall fixed it for me.

[tYNS]

I do. I had mixed feelings about it at first, but now that I've had time to work with it, I like the whole thing. It's much better that any previous versions, and it's ifinitely better than Outlook, but that goes without saying. ;)

BCC is the greatest addition :)

The new look is sleek and justified. The previous versions had big icons.
I see what they did was basically grouped common functions together (rounded button groupings) as to distinguish them easier. as well as tighten up the wasted room.

It is easier to see the function buttons now.

Although it WOULD be nice to be able to control the size of font for the mailboxes. Why are things getting so much smaller these days.. my eyes are starting to hurt. (unless I am missing something, these fonts can't be increased)

[descarecrow]

Update can't come soon enough for me. I still can't get my PB on my wireless network. I even reinstalled Tiger, because I thought the problem might have been related to the many settings I imported, or the software I installed.

No such luck...

So until then...I must search the web tethered to the wall... :mad:

[dont24]

Will Apple release 10.4.1 in packaged Tiger software? Or will it still be 10.4 and update to 10.4.1 once it's installed?

[jragosta]

I am new to the Apple Seed program. I am wondering if I install this, will I still be able to install the final 10.4.1 over that?


If you really are part of the Apple Seed program, you shouldn't be discussing it here.

[bousozoku]

Will Apple release 10.4.1 in packaged Tiger software? Or will it still be 10.4 and update 10 10.4.1 once it's installed?

It's unlikely they'll change the package until 10.4.5, so people will have to use Software Update to download changes.

[munkle]

Although it WOULD be nice to be able to control the size of font for the mailboxes. Why are things getting so much smaller these days.. my eyes are starting to hurt. (unless I am missing something, these fonts can't be increased)

The keyboard shortcut command-+/command-(minus) still works. Another way is to customise the tool bar (View/Customise Tool Bar) and dragging the font increase/decrease button set to where you want them on the toolbar :)

[Ja Di ksw]

It'd be nice if Word didn't crash every time you tried to print wirelessly through an Airport. Didn't happen before Tiger.

[iProbot]

I hope it fixes this issue

http://discussions.info.apple.com/webx?128@706.ouDqawnKRa9.1@.68ad8326

This effects ANY FW HD, its a big bummer since i share my mac with my family. HOPEFULLY it gets fixed.... *fingers crossed*

Ed

Nope, not mine!!! It's working great here, with even 3 users logging in and out all the time, so......I'm sorry for ya though
:confused:

[PeteyKohut]

So there are issues with some D-Link items, huh? Ever since I installed Tiger, my wireless router seems to be malfunctioning. All the lights are blinking....my signal is great. Then, the lights on the router go out, I lose the connection to the network all together...then in a couple of seconds, boom, I am back on! Is this related to Tiger, or is this a coincidence? It's a DI-524.

[ksz]

Does the hideous Mail.app interface count as a bug? ;)

As a side note, Cage Fighter (http://otierney.net/cagefighter/) works wonders!
The hideous mail interface was already fixed in 10.4.0! :)

[jelloshotsrule]

BCC is the greatest addition :)


that was in mail before tiger. ;)

i have tiger but am waiting on a new hard drive to be delivered to install it on... looking forward to using it. bugs and all.

[ksz]

Am I the only one that really likes the new Mail... looks and all...??? Edit: Except matticus008... :)

PS! I miss the status line in Mail, though...
You're not the only one. I much prefer the new look of Mail.

[fabsgwu]

Just got 10.4.0 in the box from Amazon yesterday, but waiting patiently for 10.4.1 to install! :rolleyes:

[rhpenguin]

Anyone else think this is critically stupid? A patch released to developers within a week of the OS being released? Bitch all you want about MS but their Consumer Beta Program is a cool idea that Apple should really consider adopting because it sounds as if this release is in response to complaints post release. If Apple had a generic beta program they could probably iron out a lot more of these bugs before the OS goes GM.


Here here... im not a big fan of not being able to adjust my brighness on my display or my firewire drives not showing up in finder half the time. Atleast if they were to release it ahead of time so the general public or those who like being early adopters cold take a stab at it and work out some of this hooplah i might not regret purchasing/installing this OS at release. Microsoft is atleast doing it right by having somewhat open betas so the general public can tear it apart before all end users rip it up.

[xli_ne]

Guess I'll be running my airport express till this update. My dlink router will just have to sit and wait :rolleyes:

[villanova329]

There are only 2 gripes I hope they'll fix:

1) Dashboard widgets can be permanently part of the desktop instead of floating topmost

and

2) Lower requirements for 4-way iChat

[iYooper]

http://www.macrumors.com/images/macrumorsthreadlogo.gif (http://www.macrumors.com)

The build is said to fix more than 20 bugs already reported to Apple regarding various software and hardware incompatabilities with Tiger. Key issues regarding stability and reliability of the OS as a whole are the focus
According to the rumor site, the forthcoming update is expected to be released mid to late-May.

I sure hope the update will be free for those of us who just bought Tiger....Does anyone have an answer to this $$$ question?

[Lacero]

1) Dashboard widgets can be permanently part of the desktop instead of floating topmostIt's called an application.

[FlyNolJ]

This is the kind of news I look forward to hearing. A few more updates to Tiger and I will be ready to buy it. Until then everyone can just Beta test it for Apple. :D


I don't think alot of people liked this comment. I sure did. :)

[villanova329]

It's called an application.

?


What I was saying was that is the feature that Konfabulator has over Dashboard... that you could pick the level at which the widget stays (desktop, floating, topmost etc.) and its opacity

Dashboard you just drag it onto the desktop and it stays topmost.

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

I sure hope the update will be free for those of us who just bought Tiger....Does anyone have an answer to this $$$ question?All minor updates are free... :)

[Lacero]

What I was saying was that is the feature that Konfabulator has over Dashboard... that you could pick the level at which the widget stays (desktop, floating, topmost etc.) and its opacity

Dashboard you just drag it onto the desktop and it stays topmost.Well, Apple did reserve the F-13 key. Maybe you'll get your wish. ;)

[Doctor Q]

I had a kernel crash while minimizing a QuickTime 7 Player window. I reported it to Apple so I assume this update was done for me personally. Thanks, Apple. If, by chance, the update fixes other bugs that other people have had too, that's a nice side benefit.

[munkle]

I sure hope the update will be free for those of us who just bought Tiger....Does anyone have an answer to this $$$ question?

You're safe till 10.5 ;)

[wdlove]

I had a kernel crash while minimizing a QuickTime 7 Player window. I reported it to Apple so I assume this update was done for me personally. Thanks, Apple. If, by chance, the update fixes other bugs that other people have had too, that's a nice side benefit.

I have no doubt, that we are getting this 10.4.1 update, because you your report to Apple. Thank you Doctor Q and Apple. ;)

[xli_ne]

Am I the only one that really likes the new Mail... looks and all...??? Edit: Except matticus008... :)

PS! I miss the status line in Mail, though...

I never thought it was that bad.

[xli_ne]

So there are issues with some D-Link items, huh? Ever since I installed Tiger, my wireless router seems to be malfunctioning. All the lights are blinking....my signal is great. Then, the lights on the router go out, I lose the connection to the network all together...then in a couple of seconds, boom, I am back on! Is this related to Tiger, or is this a coincidence? It's a DI-524.

Same problem. Same router that I have. I haven't tried it out yet out if you shorten your computer name to less than 20 characters. I have heard this fixes the problem.

[iGuy]

Does the hideous Mail.app interface count as a bug? ;)

As a side note, Cage Fighter (http://otierney.net/cagefighter/) works wonders!

I like the clearer, sleeker look of Mail. It's a pity that you don't, but I do. I really hope they don't change it back.

~iGuy

[poundsmack]

I think they should let you choose if you want the new or the old interface to Mail. that way everyone is happy :D

[mvc]

There are varying levels of buggery among the Tiger users, and I believe it's the results of how they maintain their computer systems...
Really, I always thought it was something to do with being in the Navy :D

But maybe you have to be of English extraction to read it that way. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buggery)

[Fiveos22]

.

Originally Posted by swissmann
The only way I am able to open anything into Adobe CS is by launching the app and then selecting the open menu.
I haven't been able to do this since 10.3.7 (possibly before) and can't now in 10.3.9 so it isn't a Tiger bug only. I'd reinstall CS but it's not all that big a hassle - yet.

Do you just get a spinning beach ball when you open a contextual menu on the file to be opened? I get that and it takes a good 10 seconds before the menu shows up, however I can then open the file directly into CS.

[PeteyKohut]

Same problem. Same router that I have. I haven't tried it out yet out if you shorten your computer name to less than 20 characters. I have heard this fixes the problem.

I have news! Your tip worked!!! How...why...huh? How could something like the computer name be related to airport connectivity?? Strange. Thanks for the tip...just wanted to let you and others know that this fixes the issue. I too own a PBG4 12'' 1.33 Ghz (and a 40 GB iPod too!).

[jared_kipe]

I just want it to fix the kernel panics on my G4 ibook. I've gotten a load of them, and a freash install did not help.

[mlrproducts]

Personally I'd like an option to turn off the "you're about to open a program" dialog in Safari's download window. Also, Safari won't load any of the "free sites" (IE: free mini macs, free ipod shuffle.com, etc) until after I load them in Firefox.

[jared_kipe]

Personally I'd like an option to turn off the "you're about to open a program" dialog in Safari's download window. Also, Safari won't load any of the "free sites" (IE: free mini macs, free ipod shuffle.com, etc) until after I load them in Firefox.
yeah yeah, disable thats stupid program reminder. It does it for practically any download, even widgets.

[gandalf55]

Has anyone noticed downloading stuff (say a dashboard widget or .zip file) disappears? It completes the download via Safari & then its gone. Not on desktop. Download it again, and then it "takes". Its SUPER annoying. Happens on 2 Macs with Tiger.

[jacg]

The new mish mash of GUIs in Tiger is really annoying. The grey pills behind the Mail 2 icons were a new low (although I like many other things about the app). 'Cage Fighter' has helped - thanks for the link.

[Platform]

Good apple.......now give it to the users :D

[BWhaler]

It looks like 10.4.1 is going to be a big update.

I'm not so sure. It's only a 35MB update. And there is not mention of an update to Spotlight, which as the boards are discussing in high value, has a ton of nasty bugs.

But hope springs eternal.

[BWhaler]

I love Tiger, but the crazy number of bugs really has me bummed out.

I have been holding back writing a thread about it since I want to be optimistic. But despite all of the new coolness in Tiger, the nasty bugs make me not trust Spotlight and very frustrated with the overall product.

I am worried that the update is only 35MB. I just hope this is a really polished product.

[rdowns]

What issues are you having? I've got the v551 and I was able to sync my iCal to it, I didn't sync my contacts though

Mac recognizes the phone through BT set up but iSync option is greyed out. Upon further research it seems Motorola updated the firmware recently and older models work and newer ones don't.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[rdowns]

It'd be nice if Word didn't crash every time you tried to print wirelessly through an Airport. Didn't happen before Tiger.

Works fine for me.

[swissmann]

i had this problem several months ago, well before tiger...

reinstalling photoshop fixed it.

in any case, it's not tiger specific

I was thinking about trying that. After reading your post I will definately give it a try. Thanks.

[swissmann]

.

I haven't been able to do this since 10.3.7 (possibly before) and can't now in 10.3.9 so it isn't a Tiger bug only. I'd reinstall CS but it's not all that big a hassle - yet.

I went through the 10.3.7, 10.3.8, and 10.3.9 updates and didn't have the problem. I will reinstall Photoshop.

[swissmann]

Hope 10.4.1 fixes whatever it is that's killing Firefox on my machine... I'm not in the mood for a clean install for another month or so...

I use Firefox like crazy and haven't had any problems at all yet.

[swissmann]

Curious about one thing. Those who are having problems...how did you install Tiger?

I chose archive and install. When I get the new Final Cut Pro Suite I am doing an erase and install.

[swissmann]

If you guys did an archive and install all you have to do is copy the 'Scripting Additions' folder to 'Library' from 'Previous System'. Adobe documented the problem and the fix here (http://www.adobe.com/support/techdocs/329996.html).

Wow. Even better than reinstalling Photoshop. Thanks!

[broken_keyboard]

Has anyone noticed downloading stuff (say a dashboard widget or .zip file) disappears? It completes the download via Safari & then its gone. Not on desktop. Download it again, and then it "takes". Its SUPER annoying. Happens on 2 Macs with Tiger.

What may be happening is that it is automatically unzipping it and then putting the zip file in the trash.

[swissmann]

Have you tried to reinstall the printer? I had some issues right after I installed Tiger, but delete and reinstall fixed it for me.

I tried that but it still won't print to my HP4600 Color Laserjet. I'm sure I'll be able to figure it out but it is something I didn't want to deal with really.

[MarkCollette]

I have news! Your tip worked!!! How...why...huh? How could something like the computer name be related to airport connectivity?? Strange. Thanks for the tip...just wanted to let you and others know that this fixes the issue. I too own a PBG4 12'' 1.33 Ghz (and a 40 GB iPod too!).

There's a bug in the D-Link firmware where it can't handle host names greater than 20 characters. It's not a Tiger bug. Maybe Tiger just names computers differently than Panther?

[JzzTrump22]

As soon as the update is available, I will purchase Tiger.

[~Shard~]

As soon as the update is available, I will purchase Tiger.

Or will you then wait for the 10.4.1 bugs to be fixed and buy Tiger when 10.4.2 is out? :p :cool:

[yg17]

Through bluetooth or USB? I've tried to "discover" my 551 and the bluetooth wizard won't pick it up.


Bluetooth

My phone's version is R47_G_08.17.0FR_01. How do you update the phone's firmware?

[t300]

There are varying levels of buggery among the Tiger users, and I believe it's the results of how they maintain their computer systems. I have experienced very few bugs, not to be confused with interface quirks, in Tiger since I did do a completely clean install with no third-party hacks to muck the system.

True, I did the same and played with it for 2 days before installing anything else, besides iLife and iWork, but I still encountered some bugs. Oh well, they will be taken care of soon, I hope...

[VanNess]

What may be happening is that it is automatically unzipping it and then putting the zip file in the trash.

And for widgets, Tiger automatically moves the widget program to the widget folder in your user library.

So its all ready to go the next time you activate dashboard to add a widget.

[Mac'em X]

I doubt that these will ever change, but it bugs me that if I want to slideshow something, I have to do it from right clicking, and I can't do it from the file menu.

Bingo. That's bad UI design (i.e., Windows) when things are undiscoverable except by right-click experimentation. The main menu should always offer all possibilities.

then again Apple never sticks to their conventions (like how some apps close when you hit the red x, others don't

Well, there is a rule behind that one (though I don't know how well it's followed...)

If an app can have any number of windows (such as a browser, or the Finder), then closing the last window doesn't close the app, as zero windows is just another possible number.

If an app can only have one window (such as Calculator), closing the window closes the app. It's an app that can't have two windows, can't have zero -- it's one or it's goodbye.

Good or bad, it is at least a rule (IF developers follow it).

[Daveway]

I want:
*user switching with independant screen resolutions
*dock icons to dim when hidden
*dock magnifying glitch when contexual menu is brought up
*safari stability
*FASTER Spotlight searches. I'm on a G5 and i don't see "BOOM" :rolleyes:
*Finder resizing/sidebar separator
*Quicktime Divx compatibility
*third party app fixes
*better font smoothing!

[springerj]

I have also noticed some strange and intermitent quirks in Safari that are very annoying. Anyone else come accross such bugs?

I've had very strange behavior of scroll bars in safari. Sometimes the vertical scroll separates into pieces like the mercury in an old thermometer. Today I had a safari window with the horizontal scroll across the center of the window!

[nivfreak]

Hopefully this will fix my problems with loosing my DHCP Ip addy every so often on wireless.

[DaiKirai]

No one else has had a problem with Java apps not running at all? (and "java -version" causing a segmentation fault)

I made a thread about it a few days ago, but no one replied.

[stid]

I've had very strange behavior of scroll bars in safari. Sometimes the vertical scroll separates into pieces like the mercury in an old thermometer. Today I had a safari window with the horizontal scroll across the center of the window!

I have the same issues.

[oskar]

So there are issues with some D-Link items, huh? Ever since I installed Tiger, my wireless router seems to be malfunctioning. All the lights are blinking....my signal is great. Then, the lights on the router go out, I lose the connection to the network all together...then in a couple of seconds, boom, I am back on! Is this related to Tiger, or is this a coincidence? It's a DI-524.

I have that router and this happened to me too! Only that my router hasn't worked ever since I installed Tiger on one of the computers in my LAN, only that I didn't believe that Tiger could be the cause. Thought it was just a coincidence.
My DI-524 resets itself about every minute. Very annoying.... Maybe shortening the computer name could work as someone suggested?

[oskar]

There's a bug in the D-Link firmware where it can't handle host names greater than 20 characters. It's not a Tiger bug. Maybe Tiger just names computers differently than Panther?

I've had the D-Link router problems, too. When I installed Tiger my computer's named was "automatically" named MY FULL NAME's PowerBook G4 15". That didn't happen in Panther. This naming scheme probably is the problem...

[stephenli]

My "Preview" quit itself while enlarging view of JPEG files....
even worse, OS total crash 4 times within 2 hours while i open several app.
Tiger become heavy while doing heavy task
is it beause i am a g4?!....

10.4.1 please.....quick...... :(

[BWhaler]

My "Must Fix List" for 10.4.1


1. Dropping wireless
2. Spotlight missing tons of files
3. Buggy cut and paste in Mail
4. Bugs and hangs in Dashboard


There are thousands more annoyances, but I really need these four fixed. They impact me continually through-out the day.

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

I use Firefox like crazy and haven't had any problems at all yet.Yes, I know everybody else's Firefox works just fine... but something broke mine, and I have no idea what, and I haven't got the time for a complete clean install just yet... so I'm biting the bullet and using Safari 2 until I can get it fixed... :(

Not a totally unpleasant experience, BTW, but I miss the adblock extention (not keen on installing 3rd party "enhancers" in Safari...)

[Vanilla]

I did a clean install and so far have only experienced a few minor issues:

1. Weather widget crashes regularly
2. On occasion the performance slows down so that for example the "ripple" eye candy effect in dashboard is quite jerky and spotlight appears to be working through quicksand. I have an "ultimate" 15" PBook config so I assume this is something to do with the spotlight indexing process affecting performance in some way.
3. At first Safari appeared to be a hell of a lot snappier than I remembered. I then decided to restore my Safari settings to retrieve my bookmarks and since then it seems to have lost that initial "snappiness". In hindsight I should have simply rebuilt the bookmarks but there you go...

Apart from the above I have not to date experienced any of the other problems mentioned here. In particular I use photoshop a lot and can quite happily double-click a spotlight located file, (though initially it was set to open in Preview).

I do wonder whether this version works best with an Erase and Install? It took a while reloading all my apps and saved files but after reading this thread I'm quite relieved I chose to ignore the Archive option. If this is right I would also suggest rebuilding your Safari bookmarks rather than restoring saved settings.

Finally I must say that Spotlight is absolutely brilliant. It's quickly become THE method of locating files for me. I also like the Dictionary/Thesaurus widget a lot, though in general I find Dashboard a bit over-designed. I haven't yet approached Automator, preferring instead to wait for the magazines (my favourite being iCreate) to kick-in with walkthrough examples.

So in a nutshell I am very happy upgrading to Tiger, minor bugs notwithstanding, for Spotlight alone.

Vanilla

[kirk26]

10.4.1 seeded less than a week of 10.4's release? This has to be one of the top bad os releases since 10.1. I'll wait for 10.4.2/3 to see if they fix all the active directory issues yet.

[patseguin]

If you really are part of the Apple Seed program, you shouldn't be discussing it here.

What are you the ADC Police? My question was general and not specific about anything pertaining to the beta itself.

[JJTiger1]

10.4.1 seeded less than a week of 10.4's release? This has to be one of the top bad os releases since 10.1. I'll wait for 10.4.2/3 to see if they fix all the active directory issues yet.


I think that I'm gonna skip Mac OS 10.4 altogether.

I'm not going to waste my money beta testing software disguised as "Golden Master".

Mac OS 10.5 will be out in about a year and a half. They might have the bugs worked out by then.

By the way, it looks like Jaguar Security Update support is just about over.
=-=-=
JJ Tiger :cool:

[Applespider]

10.4.1 seeded less than a week of 10.4's release? This has to be one of the top bad os releases since 10.1. I'll wait for 10.4.2/3 to see if they fix all the active directory issues yet.

Although bear in mind that not everyone's had problems; many of those who are having trouble appear to have had plug-ins etc which have reacted oddly. And there are likely so many combinations that it wasn't going to be possible to test all of them.

The 10.3.x updates came along every couple of months with more in the early stages; why would it be any different with 10.4. With the GM being frozen at the end of March, I'd be more alarmed if they hadn't been working on 10.4.1 since then and have it ready to go.

An OS is unlikely to ever be perfect for everyone; there is a point in any project where you have to say 'it's 95% there and should be good for majority of users, let's go'. The .x updates are for increasing those %'s upwards.

[greenfluke]

No one else has had a problem with Java apps not running at all? (and "java -version" causing a segmentation fault)

I made a thread about it a few days ago, but no one replied.

There was an issue with 10.3.9 with this, and Apple released an update to fix it, also you could go back an re-install two security updates. There should still be something here (http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/javaupdateformacosx1039.html) but I haven't had any issues at all with 10.4 and Java, and I do a lot of Java development.

On the topic... I don't mind Apple's method at all. They could have made us all wait until June for Tiger, for me that would have been awful, because my finder would crash with 10.3.9 every time I tried to transfer files across D-Link wireless router, but now everything is OK. Also, the new features are really sweet. I've got a iBook G4 and have had no issues, but then again I did a dirty upgrade of all my machines. I'm just glad they are staying on point and not slacking off after the release. I guess all that iPod money is going to good use :)

[swissmann]

I want:
*user switching with independant screen resolutions
*dock icons to dim when hidden
*dock magnifying glitch when contexual menu is brought up
*safari stability
*FASTER Spotlight searches. I'm on a G5 and i don't see "BOOM" :rolleyes:
*Finder resizing/sidebar separator
*Quicktime Divx compatibility
*third party app fixes
*better font smoothing!

I can help you with the "dock icons to dim when hidden". I did this in 10.3 and it is still working for me in Tiger.

In Terminal type:

defaults write com.apple.Dock showhidden -bool yes

Hit return.

Go to Activity Monitor and quit out of the dock for the changes to take place.

- In the January 2004 Macworld.

I too wish that Quicktime would play back DIVX and every other codec imaginable. That is what I think QT8 should be. Every movie file plays back and you can save as every codec as well - Windows Media, Real, DIVX, etc. I want to have Quicktime installed and nothing else and all web pages with video content to play perfectly through quicktime.

[swissmann]

I did a clean install and so far have only experienced a few minor issues:

1. Weather widget crashes regularly
2. On occasion the performance slows down so that for example the "ripple" eye candy effect in dashboard is quite jerky and spotlight appears to be working through quicksand. I have an "ultimate" 15" PBook config so I assume this is something to do with the spotlight indexing process affecting performance in some way.
3. At first Safari appeared to be a hell of a lot snappier than I remembered. I then decided to restore my Safari settings to retrieve my bookmarks and since then it seems to have lost that initial "snappiness". In hindsight I should have simply rebuilt the bookmarks but there you go...

Apart from the above I have not to date experienced any of the other problems mentioned here. In particular I use photoshop a lot and can quite happily double-click a spotlight located file, (though initially it was set to open in Preview).

I do wonder whether this version works best with an Erase and Install? It took a while reloading all my apps and saved files but after reading this thread I'm quite relieved I chose to ignore the Archive option. If this is right I would also suggest rebuilding your Safari bookmarks rather than restoring saved settings.

Finally I must say that Spotlight is absolutely brilliant. It's quickly become THE method of locating files for me. I also like the Dictionary/Thesaurus widget a lot, though in general I find Dashboard a bit over-designed. I haven't yet approached Automator, preferring instead to wait for the magazines (my favourite being iCreate) to kick-in with walkthrough examples.

So in a nutshell I am very happy upgrading to Tiger, minor bugs notwithstanding, for Spotlight alone.

Vanilla

Clean install is the way to go with every major upgrade. It just takes so long even on a PowerMac G5, and especially if you have multiple computers. I tried an Archive and Install but will be starting over in a month with a Clean Install because I will have the new Final Cut Suite and want to start fresh with that as well. I'm sure my experience will be better. Everything will be clean, I'll have more free HD space, we'll be on 10.4.1 then, etc.

[devman]

The only way I am able to open anything into Adobe CS is by launching the app and then selecting the open menu. I can't double click, go from iPhoto, drag to the dock icon, etc.

Hmmm, I don't have that problem on my PB or PM (see sig). Same goes for a colleague on his PB12.

edit: ah, I see someone else posted the answer from adobe.

[~Shard~]

Mac OS 10.5 will be out in about a year and a half.

I doubt that. Jobs indidcated that Tiger would be the last of the "frequent" OS updates, so I think it will be quite a while before we see 10.5 being released. Panther and Tiger were both released in 1-1.5 year spans from their predecessors, so I don't think we'll see another new OS until later in 2007.

And why does it have to be 10.5? Maybe Apple will simply move to OS XI... ;)

[buggybear]

Hope 10.4.1 fixes whatever it is that's killing Firefox on my machine... I'm not in the mood for a clean install for another month or so...

Your problem could be a plug-in. Check ~/Library/Internet Plug-ins

I had tried erasing my firefox profile, and a clean install because Firefox crashed every time in mid-launching. It turned out to be the Mozilla "MRJPlugin.plugin" that must have been incompatible with a newer version of Java.

(Luckily I had backed up my profile, and was use it again with all my cookies and bookmarks)

[Platform]

I doubt that. Jobs indidcated that Tiger would be the last of the "frequent" OS updates, so I think it will be quite a while before we see 10.5 being released. Panther and Tiger were both released in 1-1.5 year spans from their predecessors, so I don't think we'll see another new OS until later in 2007.

And why does it have to be 10.5? Maybe Apple will simply move to OS XI... ;)

And since that then maby apple will give 10.4.xx updates that will bring stability and new features as well ;)

[patseguin]

Clean install is the way to go with every major upgrade. It just takes so long even on a PowerMac G5, and especially if you have multiple computers. I tried an Archive and Install but will be starting over in a month with a Clean Install because I will have the new Final Cut Suite and want to start fresh with that as well. I'm sure my experience will be better. Everything will be clean, I'll have more free HD space, we'll be on 10.4.1 then, etc.

I wonder if I made a mistake by going with archive and install over the last beta.

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

Your problem could be a plug-in. Check ~/Library/Internet Plug-ins

I had tried erasing my firefox profile, and a clean install because Firefox crashed every time in mid-launching. It turned out to be the Mozilla "MRJPlugin.plugin" that must have been incompatible with a newer version of Java.

(Luckily I had backed up my profile, and was use it again with all my cookies and bookmarks)Thanks a lot... That was exactly what was wrong... :D I had both the MRJPlugin and a JavaEmbeddingPlugin... when I removed those Firefox started just fine...

(I very ashamed of the fact that I forgot the plug-ins, specially when I deleted my profile - after copying the bookmarks ;) - in the quest for the culprit... :o)

Now I have my Fox back again... I just have to say: Thank you, once more... :D

Of course now it has to compete with Safari 2, which has some advantages, and has grown a little on me the last three days, even though I still don't like the fact that I have to kill all plug-ins (again ironic) to stop flash ads... ;)

[oldMac]

A while back, my Safari beach ball was spinning all the time.

Turned out that the culprit was lots and lots of autofill form data.

Apparently, Safari was getting hung up searching for auto-fill information on every web form. Would hope that they fixed that by now, but it's worth a shot going to "Preferences: Autofill" and unchecking or clearing out old autofill data.

[PeteyKohut]

I've had the D-Link router problems, too. When I installed Tiger my computer's named was "automatically" named MY FULL NAME's PowerBook G4 15". That didn't happen in Panther. This naming scheme probably is the problem...

Like I said in my previous post, shortening the computer name will fix the issue with the D-Link routers. At least it worked for me with my PBG4 12.1'' 1.33 Ghz with D-Link router DI-524.

[wdlove]

My "Must Fix List" for 10.4.1


1. Dropping wireless
2. Spotlight missing tons of files
3. Buggy cut and paste in Mail
4. Bugs and hangs in Dashboard


There are thousands more annoyances, but I really need these four fixed. They impact me continually through-out the day.

On number one are you referring to Bluetooth or a wireless network? My wife has a 15" PowerBook and since Tiger her wireless reception has improved. Many times all the bars are filled.

[Lacero]

In regards to Spotlight missing tons of files, I've had the opposite happen where files go missing, but they show up in Spotlight, when you do a specific search for those 'missing' files.

Case in point, doing a screen grab, the picture.png files don't show up on the desktop, but doing a search in Spotlight, and clicking on the files will make them appear on the desktop.

Seems Apple rushed out Tiger, but in due time, after maybe 2 or 3 updates, it'll be stable enough to be trusted.

[makey]

Glad to hear this. I hope some of the performance problems I have been having will be fixed.

[aegisdesign]

I love Mail 2.0. Compared to the old Mail, it looks much more compact, smoother and suited for professional use. Thank God they got rid of the drawers. That was pretty damn ugly.

Really?

That's one of the reasons I like OSX. Drawers are are very clever way of allowing you to reduce screen clutter. Many other applications still use them such as iCal, Image Capture, Pages, iDVD....

They were a step forward in interface design. The 3 pane fixed to the left list of Mail 2.0 is a step backward, consumes more space than the drawer and why the hell is it pale blue? It's just completely wrong.

[aussie_geek]

NOW, to see if I can score a month of uptime till then! :D


OK your on - my PowerBook has been up for 7 days 13 Hours. Let the competition begin!!

aussie_geek

[blybug]

The only way I am able to open anything into Adobe CS is by launching the app and then selecting the open menu. I can't double click, go from iPhoto, drag to the dock icon, etc.

This is a known issue every time you do an archive and install of OS X with the Adobe apps. Not unique to Tiger. Find the file

/Library/ScriptingAdditions/Adobe Unit Types

in your archived or old system and copy it to the same place in the new system. Then your files will open themselves up the Adobe app when you double click them like they are supposed to.

[~Shard~]

And since that then maby apple will give 10.4.xx updates that will bring stability and new features as well ;)

Hey, ya never know! :cool:

[aegisdesign]

BCC is the greatest addition :)

The new look is sleek and justified. The previous versions had big icons.
I see what they did was basically grouped common functions together (rounded button groupings) as to distinguish them easier. as well as tighten up the wasted room.

It is easier to see the function buttons now.

Although it WOULD be nice to be able to control the size of font for the mailboxes. Why are things getting so much smaller these days.. my eyes are starting to hurt. (unless I am missing something, these fonts can't be increased)

This is not true. In Mail prior to 2.0 you could use either small icons, which were the same size as 2.0 or large icons. The drawer allowed for more rows of mailboxes in it than 2.0 as it started from below the titlebar. In 2.0 it starts below the toolbar so you lose 2 lines of mailboxes.

And they've removed the status bar also, so there's less on the screen but it takes up MORE space.

The new icons are less legible than the old ones. Which came first - anaemic white arrows or the grey buttons behind them?

The fact there's now TWO tools to replace the icons when before nobody gave a monkeys about them is pretty much proof that they've goofed up this time. Mail Fixer looks very promising though as we should be able to more easily replace them with new themes that look like MacOSX buttons.

It's not entirely bad news as the mailbox pane if closed acts like a drawer anyway if you drag a mail from the list to the side of the window the pane reappears. The only problem there is that it's slower to reappear than the old drawer and it always appears on the left regardless of dragging the mail left or right.

I don't mind the different UI themes in OSX - more the better - but someone at Apple should come up with a Theme Manager tool like Shapeshifter to allow a consistent change across all applications.

I wonder if by 10.5 we'll be outraged at Apple for copying Shapeshifter's ideas just like we have in the past for Spotlight/Quicksilver, Dashboard/Konfabulator or Watson/Sherlock. PathFinder would be a good 'influence' for 10.5 too.

[AidenShaw]

Clean install is the way to go with every major upgrade.

You mean that I shouldn't still be using a system volume that started out as an NT 4.0 system in Jan of 1998? Do Mac people really need to reformat the hard drive every year?

This system's gone from NT 4 plus each of the SPn to Win2000 beta to Win2000 then plus each SPn to XP beta to XP to XP sp1 to XP sp2. (It's also gone from a 266 MHz PII to a 2.6 GHz P4, but that's a separate thread.)

I'd planned to upgrade to the Longhorn beta - do you think that a clean install would be a better idea?

[scu]

I don't think alot of people liked this comment. I sure did. :)

Look! All this talk about the bugs in OS X is like dejavu from prior updates. There will always be bugs with each new big upgrade. Most got too excited and just bought it despite the risks. I use my computer for a living so I can not afford to have serious problems. When the software I use is compatible with the new system, I will upgrade. Now had Apple released a much better G5 I would have gladly taken Tiger with the new system.

[swissmann]

You mean that I shouldn't still be using a system volume that started out as an NT 4.0 system in Jan of 1998? Do Mac people really need to reformat the hard drive every year?

This system's gone from NT 4 plus each of the SPn to Win2000 beta to Win2000 then plus each SPn to XP beta to XP to XP sp1 to XP sp2. (It's also gone from a 266 MHz PII to a 2.6 GHz P4, but that's a separate thread.)

I'd planned to upgrade to the Longhorn beta - do you think that a clean install would be a better idea?

I assume that you are being serious even though some of me thinks you are being sarcastic. No, you don't need to do a clean install with each major update. I just find that by doing so you get rid of all the garbage you have collected along the way. Things like small apps I have tried and no longer use - their preferences are still there. Then there are caches and logs etc. I find my system being a lot cleaner and smaller. Don't try to convince me that you don't have the same thing on the windows world. There have been many a time when my friends have gotten so bogged down by what I describe plus viruses, spyware, etc. that they wipe their hard drive and start over. Some of them have gotten sick of it and bought a mac and wonder how they ever put up with their PC.

[solvs]

Do Mac people really need to reformat the hard drive every year?
No more than Windows people. But with both, sometimes it is better. I've done it a couple of times on my Windows 2000 machine. The first upgrade from 98 wasn't great. I suppose the upgrade to XP or Longhorn might be smoother, but at this point I don't plan on upgrading any time soon. I've upgraded Macs from OS 9 without issue, and for a lot of people I know the 10.x upgrades all went just fine.

You shouldn't take one comment on a forum as gospel. It's the same as with Windows - recommended, but not necessary. Plus, um, you can install the new OS fresh without formatting the hard drive. Just Archive and Install.

[Swift]

My biggest problems are two: QT 7 and Firefox.

QT -- first of all, the cause of the "frozen, minimized movie in the dock bug" is DiVx 5.2.1. Downgrade to 5.1.1 and solve the problem.

Streaming videos, on a random basis, refuse to display. Apple's are fine, but others turn into a big icon and a question mark.

And Firefox just will not launch. I'm at my wit's end on that one. It bounces in the icon, then launches its callback program and exits. I've tossed prefs, reinstalled -- I just can't figure it out. :confused:

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

And Firefox just will not launch. I'm at my wit's end on that one. It bounces in the icon, then launches its callback program and exits. I've tossed prefs, reinstalled -- I just can't figure it out. :confused:I had that exact problem, and buggybear came up with the solution: dump MRJplugin.plugin (or other suspicious plug-ins I had another Java plugin there as well) from ~/Library/Internet Plug-ins (if you don't have any there check if you have any 3rd party plug-ins in /Library/Internet Plug-ins)... :)

Edit: It's actually described on the previous page of this thread... :rolleyes:

[mkrishnan]

I had that exact problem, and buggybear came up with the solution: dump MRJplugin.plugin (or other suspicious plug-ins I had another Java plugin there as well) from ~/Library/Internet Plug-ins (if you don't have any there check if you have any 3rd party plug-ins in /Library/Internet Plug-ins)... :)

Since my FF works, and I ported over my profile, I just wanted to mention that TabBrowser Extensions, AdBlock and Safarish (which are what I had installed) all work fine in Tiger without being upgraded.... I guess somewhere there ought to be a list of danger plugins for Firefox and Tiger, if there isn't already. :) I didn't see such a list anywhere, though. Maybe I'll make a thread.

EDIT: Can all the Firefox/Tiger users please take a second to add to this thread (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=125018)? Thanks! :D

[BWhaler]

On number one are you referring to Bluetooth or a wireless network? My wife has a 15" PowerBook and since Tiger her wireless reception has improved. Many times all the bars are filled.

Wireless.

You are correct reception has improved.

The problem is you lose your DHCP lease if you move around a wireless area where there is WDS set-up.

[blueflame]

Personally, i love the new mail app. LOVE IT. it is so muich more orgonized and everything. I wish the finder would take a Que from it. i hate the metal for the finder. Another thing, why the helldoes there have to be a finder in the dock? this seems pointless, the finder should be the system, not an app in it.
andreas

[matticus008]

Personally, i love the new mail app. LOVE IT. it is so muich more orgonized and everything. I wish the finder would take a Que from it. i hate the metal for the finder. Another thing, why the helldoes there have to be a finder in the dock? this seems pointless, the finder should be the system, not an app in it.
andreas

One of the big metaphors for OS X is that the Finder is just another app and not the system at all. It's also in the dock to give you quick access to a Finder window when you can't see the desktop, etc. I think that Finder is in the dock because it's always running, and it is the first icon (maybe along with the Trash) that is loaded at startup. It would be nice to be able to move it around the dock, but I don't think it's a huge problem.

If the Finder used the new "plastic" style, I'd be a happy camper, too. Maybe someone will add this ability. Or maybe it can already be done. The plastic look is available on Safari, IIRC.

[ijimk]

Kool i cant wait for this update to tiger. I have had some issues with my tablet not working after i put my CPU to sleep then come back to it. A usual restart fixes the prob. I have been shutting down now which works as well. Get us this update apple!

[bbyrdhouse]

Personally, I have not experienced any of the listed problems with Tiger.

I think that Tiger is much improved from 10.3.9 which did seem to "hang-up" often. Also in 10.3.9 About every other time I went to open Safari it would just bounce around on my dock for 60 - 120 seconds. This has not happened yet with Tiger.

[Lacero]

I don't get the spinning beach ball in Tiger, haven't had it for the 2 weeks using it. I think it's improved over Panther.

[Coach Wade]

Wireless.

You are correct reception has improved.

The problem is you lose your DHCP lease if you move around a wireless area where there is WDS set-up.

BWhaler;

You know, I WDLove's wife is right. (Hey WDLove, for $20 I'll pretend I never said that.) I just realized that since I installed Tiger I'm getting airport connectivity in my family room, which is the only place in the house I couldn't get it before.

Not bad, Apple. Another "Nice Hustle!" from Coach Wade!

~D.

[bbyrdhouse]

I know that this isn't the right thread for this question but would anybody know of a good external TV tuner either Firewire or USB for Mac

[~Shard~]

I know that this isn't the right thread for this question but would anybody know of a good external TV tuner either Firewire or USB for Mac

If you knew it wasn't the right thread, then why didn't you post it in the right thread? :p ;) :cool:

[bbyrdhouse]

Cause I thought that I could get away with it seeing how it was page 8 or so of this thread.

Man...you guys are sharp.

Anyway, I would still like to find an answer :p

It seems that the only ones I can find are for PC. :(

[~Shard~]

Cause I thought that I could get away with it seeing how it was page 8 or so of this thread.

Man...you guys are sharp.

Anyway, I would still like to find an answer :p

It seems that the only ones I can find are for PC. :(

Heh heh - well, I don't have any answers for you (just bastardly remarks) so for added feedback you may want to try posting in the "Mac Hardware" forum and seeing if anyone there can help who is more up on that sort of thing.

[iSwift]

YES! I am getting my new powerbook in the mail today and I hope that 10.4.1 comes out soon after I install Tiger so I don't run into all the problems that some people have.

[monty77]

Cause I thought that I could get away with it seeing how it was page 8 or so of this thread.

Man...you guys are sharp.

Anyway, I would still like to find an answer :p

It seems that the only ones I can find are for PC. :(

Would this do for you?

http://www.elgato.com/index.php?file=products_eyetvwonder

Adam

[bbyrdhouse]

Would this do for you?

http://www.elgato.com/index.php?file=products_eyetvwonder

Adam

This will work.

Thanks

[cosmos]

You mean that I shouldn't still be using a system volume that started out as an NT 4.0 system in Jan of 1998? Do Mac people really need to reformat the hard drive every year?

This system's gone from NT 4 plus each of the SPn to Win2000 beta to Win2000 then plus each SPn to XP beta to XP to XP sp1 to XP sp2. (It's also gone from a 266 MHz PII to a 2.6 GHz P4, but that's a separate thread.)

I'd planned to upgrade to the Longhorn beta - do you think that a clean install would be a better idea?

According to Microsoft's own whitepaper, the answer is yes:

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/deploy/upwpload.mspx

Just as I learned in my MCSE training classes... :rolleyes:

[matticus008]

According to Microsoft's own whitepaper, the answer is yes:

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/deploy/upwpload.mspx

Just as I learned in my MCSE training classes... :rolleyes:

The MCSE training apparently left out the "sense of humor" chapters :).

I think AidenShaw was being sarcastic.
But in all seriousness, congrats on the MCSE, that test is a mean bastard.

[cosmos]

The MCSE training apparently left out the "sense of humor" chapters :).

I think AidenShaw was being sarcastic.
But in all seriousness, congrats on the MCSE, that test is a mean bastard.

Apology to Aiden if the original posting was scarcasm. Due to the late hour, it did not register. Reading it again, I sense that scarcasm was most likely intended.

[Sunrunner]

For most of those who say that Tiger has given them NO problems, I say this: You haven't done everything there is to do in Tiger yet, then. Because there ARE bugs. Whether or not you've encountered them is entirely due to you, but they are there. We all got the same build of Tiger shipped out to us and they do exist. Have no worries. Apple will take care of them.


Very true... some bugs are pretty much unavoidable in a new OS... the more new features, the more bugs your likely to find. I just hop they get that Dashboard security issue fixed with this update....

[awrc]

In retrospect I think upgrading to 10.4.0 was a dumb move. My system was sweet'n'stable under 10.3.9 but I just had to have all the new fun toys in XCode 2.

So now I've got said fun toys, but the price I've had to pay has been high. Most of my peripherals are disconnected until their drivers are updated. I've yet to reinstall quite a few apps because they just plain don't work. True, I did get Deep Sleep back, which I'd lost after I put a LaCie FW800 card in the machine, but it seems to have brough all sorts of Firewire weirdness with it.

Oh, and one thing I've found is that Verify Disk lies. Claims that my system is clean as could be, but if I boot into single-user mode and run fsck_hfs on these "clean" drives, the car crash that's revealed tells a different story. I'm not sure if I've just been unlucky in the number of times I've had to hard reset the machine, or if there's something in Tiger that's actively corrupting the file system.

Al

[wdlove]

In retrospect I think upgrading to 10.4.0 was a dumb move. My system was sweet'n'stable under 10.3.9 but I just had to have all the new fun toys in XCode 2.

Al

I'm sure that you are enjoying all the new toys of Tiger. It's not dumb to want something new. Although I'm still on Panther. My wife also went to Tiger, so far nothing that bothers her.

[daveL]

10.4.1 seed 8B13 went up on ADC late yesterday. Some more bug fixes, obviously.

[MontyZ]

As a former Windows user, I learned to always wait for the .1 version (or even the .2 version) before upgrading to any software. I'm doing the same for Tiger. I waited for more than a year before upgrading to OS X, so, a few months of waiting is nothing.

[Coach Wade]

10.4.1 seed 8B13 went up on ADC late yesterday. Some more bug fixes, obviously.

Dave; where are you seeing this? Software update tells me that my system is completely up to date.

Be gentle, I'm relatively new to the Mac.

~D.

[Bradley W]

_

[Bradley W]

_

[daveL]

Dave; where are you seeing this? Software update tells me that my system is completely up to date.

Be gentle, I'm relatively new to the Mac.

~D.
ADC is the Apple Developer Connection. If you have a paid membership, you have access to development seeds that are issued for testing prior to a public release. 10.4.1 isn't available, yet, but it's progressing.

[ravenvii]

A really annoying bug has been annoying me since I installed Tiger. I even reinstalled just to see, and nope the bug's still there. I really hope 10.4.1 fixes this bug, it's starting to piss me off.

[wdlove]

A really annoying bug has been annoying me since I installed Tiger. I even reinstalled just to see, and nope the bug's still there. I really hope 10.4.1 fixes this bug, it's starting to piss me off.

You didn't explain the bug. Hopefully you sent a message to Apple. ;)