MacWorld Boston 2004

[MacRumors]

MacRumors has covered the ongoing rumors about moving MacWorld Expo from New York back to Boston... and according to BusinessToday (http://www.businesstoday.com/business/technology/mac10082002.htm), it appears to be a done deal:


Boston has beat out the Big Apple for the blockbuster 2004 Macworld show, which could pump tens of millions into the city's hard-hit economy.

Sources say IDG World Expo will bring the show back to the Hub from New York in a comeback win for Boston, which lost the show in a devastating pullout in 1998.


A press conference is expected on October 17th to publically announce the move.

[gandalf55]

excellent! i'll be able to jump on the T and visit, visit, visit ;) :p

[etoiles]

zzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZ......

[Macmaniac]

NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! Now I can't go!!!!!! I guess next year will be my last MW for awhile:( My dad won't take me all the way to Boston:( UGH!! Guess no more MW movies for macrumors. This is too bad, NY is a great place, good for getting lots of people.

[xenocytekron]

now I can go every year!!

GO BOSTON!!!

PS. sorry to all you new yorkers, you had your chance :P

[Billicus]

Originally posted by xenocytekron
now I can go every year!!

GO BOSTON!!!

PS. sorry to all you new yorkers, you had your chance :P

Makes no difference to me - I can't attend either way, because I live in the midwest. :D

[Bradcoe]

I too can just hop on the T and go (plus the small MW fee). Anyone know where this huge building is? I'd like to take a walk/ride to check it out asap.

[medea]

good for Boston, I think it should be held a different place every year like the olympics.......
actually the olympics are not held every year and it would be a horrible idea, but maybe they were looking into safty issues with the Boston move.

[mac15]

thats so far away, but MWNY sounds better than MWB

[saabmp3]

If you guys want to know where the actual building is, go on the service road out to logan (the one you would use if you were taking the ted willams tunnel to the airport). It's off to the water side of that. If you know where to look, it's really hard to miss. There's another small convention center near it where all of the college fairs are.

If you can afford to make it up to boston compared to NY, then your crazy. Boston hotel prices are cheaper (can be), travel is less (T is a buck while the metro is 1.50), and the airport is fine for getting people in and out. The airport is actually going to be closer to MW in Boston than it was in NY. I can't think of many things that go against this plan. That might just be cause I'm from the hub tho.

BEN

[Macmaniac]

I just realized that I will be 17 by that time:) That means I could drive up there by myself:) Maybe it won't be so bad after all.. Keep a eye out for and old Blue Volvo 240 DL at MWB!!!

[phillymjs]

...but I guess 2003 will be the last MacWorld I attend. Living in Philadelphia, MWNY made for a fun, low-cost day trip for me every year to see the keynote live. Traveling to Boston would be a costly, multi-day disruption to my life. I know, because I did it before, back in '95.

I don't understand why you Boston people are rejoicing, as if summer MacWorld has been held on the Moon since 1998 or something. It wasn't a hardship for me to get up super-early one day a year and take a 2-hour train ride from Philadelphia, why was hopping on an Amtrak from Boston apparently so tough for you?

~Philly

[CRMarvin42]

I've lived in mass My entire life and now that I move to Indiana for grad school Macworld moves back to Boston and I won't be able to go. This is the epitome of not cool.

But Boston "Should" have the big dig done by then.

[Billicus]

Originally posted by CRMarvin42
I've lived in mass My entire life and now that I move to Indiana for grad school Macworld moves back to Boston and I won't be able to go. This is the epitome of not cool.

But Boston "Should" have the big dig done by then.

By who's estamites, it's been going on forever!! :rolleyes:

[psxndc]

I don't understand why you Boston people are rejoicing

Well for me it's my first chance as a switcher to go to one. Now that it's in my backyard instead of a 3 hour train/car trip away, I'll totally go.

-psxndc

[Wyvernspirit]

Originally posted by phillymjs
...but I guess 2003 will be the last MacWorld I attend. Living in Philadelphia, MWNY made for a fun, low-cost day trip for me every year to see the keynote live. Traveling to Boston would be a costly, multi-day disruption to my life. I know, because I did it before, back in '95.

I don't understand why you Boston people are rejoicing, as if summer MacWorld has been held on the Moon since 1998 or something. It wasn't a hardship for me to get up super-early one day a year and take a 2-hour train ride from Philadelphia, why was hopping on an Amtrak from Boston apparently so tough for you?

~Philly

Because I can afford to go to it in Boston. Also, I do not feel safe in NY.

Just my 2 cents...

[macsurfer]

Originally posted by saabmp3

and the airport is fine for getting people in and out.

BEN

Yeah especially terrorists......Logan Airport was rated as having the worst security in the nation...one of the reasons the terrorists chose Boston...Thanks alot Boston.....

[macsurfer]

Originally posted by Wyvernspirit


I do not feel safe in NY.

Just my 2 cents...

Boo Hoo. Thanks to Boston's airport, planes were hijacked (among other reasons). Feel safe at Logan do ya?

[psxndc]

While yes, Logan has a terrible security record, let me clear something up: The hijackers boarded the planes in Maine, not in Logan. The planes stopped over in Logan but there are no security checks for anyone that stays on the plane, and that goes for all airports. Don't give me this "It's Logan's fault" ************. How ***** childish are you to point fingers over something like that? As for what the poster said about feeling safe, NY and DC were the targets of the attack. 99% of the population probably feels the same way.

[Wyvernspirit]

Originally posted by macsurfer


Boo Hoo. Thanks to Boston's airport, planes were hijacked (among other reasons). Feel safe at Logan do ya?

Don't go to logan. Besides, if they're just stealing them from here and sending them elsewhere, I'm safe...

I hate ALL cities, including Boston, but I'd rather Boston then NYC. I don't know how some many people can live in such a small area...

on a side note, the big dig should be 95% or more done by 2004 so that shouldn't be a factor.

Why are you NYers complaining, you have everything else, let us have this. Well, I guess you don't have a choice.

[macsurfer]

Originally posted by psxndc
While yes, Logan has a terrible security record, let me clear something up: The hijackers boarded the planes in Maine, not in Logan. The planes stopped over in Logan but there are no security checks for anyone that stays on the plane, and that goes for all airports. Don't give me this "It's Logan's fault" ************. How ***** childish are you to point fingers over something like that? As for what the poster said about feeling safe, NY and DC were the targets of the attack. 99% of the population probably feels the same way.

FYI smarty, let ME clear something up for YOU. ONLY TWO hijackers boarded a flight in Maine from which they THEN TRANSFERRED to AA 11. ALL THE REST of the hijackers (on AA 11 and all the hijackers who boarded UA 175) on those two flights BOARDED IN BOSTON.

Do your research.....

[penguin341]

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[macsurfer]

Originally posted by penguin341


Whoever brought 9-11 into this is an idiot.

9-11 was brought up by the people saying that "safety considerations" were one of the reasons MWNY was moving as well as the person who says they "don't feel safe in NY" anymore.

[psxndc]

Originally posted by macsurfer


9-11 was brought up by the people saying that "safety considerations" were one of the reasons MWNY was moving...

No one said this. One poster said they didn't feel safe in NY anymore and others turned it into a 9/11 issue.

As for where the hojackers came from, I'm not above admitting I was wrong. I thought they all came from maine. My apologies. Regardless, saying "It's Boston's fault" is bs. It's the US ****ty foreign policy that is to blame. That and fanatical lunatics that go against the teachings they claim to believe in.

-psxndc

[BigBurd]

I have no loyalty to either New York or Boston. In fact, travel to either city is just about equi-distant for me.

That said, I must tell you that I have been to MacWorld Expos in both cities and have found that the atmosphere in and around (especially around) the expo center (or in the case of Boston, centers) was much more stimulating in Boston. The New York expos that I attended seemed to have such a cold feeling (figuratively speaking) at the physical location of the building. (I know it was blisteringly hot, weather wise, last year!) It just felt like there was no character in that immediate area.

Anyway, I will go to New York next year and go to Boston in 2004. I just hope the new convention center in Boston has a lot of character in and around it.

Hope to see everyone there!

[macsurfer]

Originally posted by psxndc


No one said this. One poster said they didn't feel safe in NY anymore and others turned it into a 9/11 issue.

As for where the hojackers came from, I'm not above admitting I was wrong. I thought they all came from maine. My apologies. Regardless, saying "It's Boston's fault" is bs. It's the US ****ty foreign policy that is to blame. That and fanatical lunatics that go against the teachings they claim to believe in.

-psxndc


************!!! What the hell do you think those posters were alluding to? NY street crime? PLEASE. And by the way, Logan Airport, American Airlines and United Airlines all share in the responsibility of 9-11. If they were more responsible, it might have been averted.

And you were wrong......

[touchsky]

Lets see...what is Apples biggest markets, hum...lets see....umm....Graphics, Publishing....moving into Video....alway been leader in Audio....sure this makes since....of course Boston has all of these things in so much abundance...my god it is the Media capital of the world....I see why they are making the move...(They're Freakin' idots) Prediction...Attendance down...20%

NYC is much more easily accessible from DC, Philly, Boston....there is a reason that 1 8th of the the US population lives within in a 100mile radius of the City...it is the HUB. As far as feeling safe....there are more cops in NYC then any other city in the country. I have lived in NYC area most of my life and have never felt scared except for 9/11 and I think everyone in the country felt scared that day. I might be biased but I don't think any other city could have survived that day as well as NYC.

This move is based on Money plain and simple, Boston gave the better kickback. Screws most of the Mac community but hell someone is getting rich from it.

[psxndc]

And you were wrong......

Very mature of you. Anyways...

Though NY and DC were the targets of 9/11, people fearing them predates it. I specifically didn't go to NY for New Years in 2000 because if **** went down, it was going to go down there. Likewise, even if 9/11 didn't happen, and for whatever reason we were on Al Quada's ****list, NY and DC would be the primary targets due to population and cultural/political significance.

My point of "people turned it into 9/11" was because one poster said he didn't feel safe if NY. Then another poster went off about how it was Boston's fault, blah blah blah. Everyone needs to get the "it was Boston's fault" chip off their shoulder.

The posts about revenue down because of NY's population or makeup or media business importance are valid discussion points. Taking potshots at an entire city are not. I've obviously not made friends here, so until the conversation turns back to actual discussion about MacWorld instead of 9/11 and fault, don't expect replies from me.

-psxndc

[Djk515]

Well this sux! I've lived in the Boston area all my life and been interested in Macs since I got my first Peforma when I was 11. I've followed MWNY every year since then and now when Macworld finally comes to Boston I'll be down at Parris Island Marine Corps Recruit Depot for Boot Camp. That sux. What kinda luck is that? eh well.

[BigBurd]

"Prediction...Attendance down...20%"

I disagree. The Boston area is still the educational hub of America. I would guess that, just because of this fact, the Boston area has many more Mac users per capita. Therefore, I think that attendance will not be down.

Anyway, why be so bitter? This isn't the end of the world. Pack your bags for Boston. You may fall in love with the city.

Hope to see you there.

[Wyvernspirit]

I didn't mean to single out 9/11 when I said I did not feel safe. I do not feel safe in ANY city. Never have. And don't get me started on Police. All the police in the world mean nothing if all they do is eat donuts and drink coffee.

And for those of you "speculating" as to why it came back to Boston, well first: it was always meant to. NY was just a temp host till boston got a "real" expo center, and Second: the reason that is, is becuase the event planner is from Boston and has family heer.

Anyways, I'll shut up now. At least now I can go.

[scem0]

9-11 shouldn't have anything to do w/ mw boston 2004.

[macsurfer]

http://www.macminute.com/2002/10/17/appleboston


Apple will not attend Macworld Expo Boston in 2004
October 17, 2002 - 11:22 EDT__ In a statement issued to MacMinute by Apple PR, the company confirmed that it will not make the move to Boston in July 2004, and is "re-evaluating" its participation in the New York show next summer. "Today IDG announced plans to move Macworld New York to Boston in July of 2004. Apple disagrees with this decision, and will not be participating in Macworld Boston. Since IDG is no longer investing in New York, we now need to re-evaluate our participation in Macworld New York 2003. Apple will continue to participate in Macworld San Francisco in January."

[macsurfer]

Originally posted by Wyvernspirit
I do not feel safe in ANY city. Never have. And don't get me started on Police. All the police in the world mean nothing if all they do is eat donuts and drink coffee....and Second: the reason that is, is becuase the event planner is from Boston and has family heer.



Are you one of those shut-ins that won't go outside either?


Heer?

[touchsky]

Well....the Apple statement pretty much sums up what I had heard from Apple friends. They didn't agree with the move for the same reasons which I said before. Boston isn't a big enough market for what Apple is and has been focusing on and that is Media. Hope IDG doesn't P@#$ off Apple to the point they pull out of NYC also.

[BigBurd]

The announcement, by Apple, didn't state why they disagreed with the move to Boston. (Please, everyone, don't jump in and say that the reason is obvious. You'll just start more arguments.) I'll be interested to see exactly why Apple won't participate.

I just had an interesting conversation with a friend. He said that he wouldn't care if Apple participated at any of the Macworld Expos. He said that Apple will probably still make announcements regarding new products while the Expos are running, or make them immediately prior to the event. He even said that he never spent much time at the Apple booths. He spent more time at the 3rd party vendor booths.

Interesting.

[touchsky]

This was not based on speculation...this was based on information from Apple employees...pretty reliable and high ranking....

Peace.

[yamadataro]

IDG is in the trade fair business!

And moving to Boston was a pure financial decision, am I right? Any other factors ? Well then, on the other hand, Apple made a pure marketing decision not to attend Boston one.

I'm not so sure what Apple's marcketing department is thinking about, maybe the key elements would be mental images of cutting edge New York culture, the creative industry in NYC and the fact that people can do tourist thing after attending the show (like Las Vegas). I used to live in NYC and never been to Boston, so I'm not sure if qualified to say this, but I feel that Boston does not have this Las Vegas quality? Prove it to me if I'm wrong.

Are there any good reasons for Apple to do a show in Boston than in New York?
I don't know.

Are there any good reason for IDG to do a show in Boston?
Hell yeah! M-O-N-E-Y!

I personally feel that MW Expo will not be the same without Apple's attendance. I mean MW without Steve Job's keynote??? No way! Needless to say Apple's gotta go what it's gotta do.

Anyway how was it like to have a MW show in Boston back then? Does anyone care to comment?

[NicoMan]

I think Apple is understandably upset at IDG for moving the show to Boston:
1. Media/publishing/creative presence is a lot stronger in NY than in Boston.
2. MacWorld Boston doesn't feel as 'glamorous' as MacWorld NY, especially to us non-US residents. I don't mean any direspect to the Bostonians out there but just the fact that there is New York in the name gives it a special ring, as if to say it is for the whole world (anyway that's how it feels to me).
3. The fact that (i guess) people are more enclined to travel to NewYork for other reasons, so they can kill 2 birds with one stone.

That being said, i don't believe that Apple will stay away from that tradeshow: i think they are trying to renegotiate some deal with IDG and using this as a sort of threat to get what they want... In a way it backfired with IDG threatening to keep Apple out of MWSF, but then who is going to believe that IDG would do it anyway (that would be pure suicide).

All in all, i don't think that the tradeshow makes a massive difference to the Mac community. Most of us are fanatics that follow Apple's every move on the Web and through a multitude of Websites. We don't wait for tradeshows to get news.

I think Apple is trying to give its presence at those tradeshows (including SJ's keynotes) a higher profile (like when Bill gates presents his new OS or TabletPc or whatever),especially for the non-Mac users (switchers, anyone ?), and they probably believe that it is in NY and SF that this can be achieved.

My 2 cents.


Nico

[wdlove]

Originally posted by scem0
9-11 shouldn't have anything to do w/ mw boston 2004.

I agree! Charlie Greco wanted to move MW to his backyard. To him it was getting the best deal, just business!:)