DVD Player, Intermediate Codec, Pro App Support Updates

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Apple released a number of updates today related to Pro Application users, including:

Pro Application Support 3.0 (http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/proapplicationsupport30macosx104.html) (10.3.9 (http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/proapplicationsupport30macosx1039.html))
This update improves general user interface reliability for Apple’s professional applications. It is recommended for all users of DVD Studio Pro, Final Cut Pro, Logic Pro, Logic Express, Motion and Soundtrack.

Apple Intermediate Codec 1.0.1 (http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/appleintermediatecodec101.html)
Delivers improved compatibility and reliability for Final Cut Express HD and iLife ’05 uses. It is recommended fro al users of Apple Intermediate Codec 1.0 who are using QuickTime 7.0.

DVD Player 4.6 (http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/dvdplayer46.html)
DVD Player 4.6 delivers added support for DVD Studio Pro 4 authored HD DVDs. It is recommended for all users of DVD Player.
-Additional support for playing DSP 4 authored HD DVD folders from DVD discs and hard drives.
-Additional support of discs with both SD and DSP 4 authored HD content.
-Improved Global Player settings.
-Improved usage for last play and disc info dialogs.

[SpaceMagic]

Intermediate codec is in my software update

But DVD player isn't... hmm

[poundsmack]

sweeeet :D
now give us OSX 10.4.1

[iriejedi]

After 10.4 my G5 intermittently tells me blank DVDs are not usable 'Drive not supported" - well considering Apple shipped that drive INSIDE machine.... and it was under 10.3.9.... this problem seems OK now but having a blank DVD in machine upon startup still gives the error.

Machine specs see below

[d.perel]

Cool, but what do we use intermediate codec for?

[MacsRgr8]

Apple Intermediate Codec 1.0.1:

Key updates include:
-Improved export performance
-Improved playback

Maybe the HD 1080p playback requirments can be dropped a bit? ;)

[woxel1]

Maybe the HD 1080p playback requirments can be dropped a bit? ;)

Seriously. I don't want to get a G5 just so I can watch the trailer to Batman Begins in HD.

Or Do I? :rolleyes:

[neps]

Hm, I didn't see the Itermediate Codec upgrade available in my SW Update, and when I manually download it I get that I can't install it on this volume because the codec that requires updating could not be found.

I'm on a powerbook 1.5g 10.4 with iLife 05. Did a spotlight search and sure enough, no codec is installed. What's the deal?

[Freg3000]

I would think the intermediate codec will only appear if you have either iMovie HD or Final Cut Express HD.

I was asked to grant permission to a file called Qmaster or something after installin, probably because of Pro Application support. I ran a search and it looks to be associated with Shake.

i don't have Shake. :) Oh well.

[oskar]

But we're still waiting for 10.4.1

BTW. when is FC Studio being released?

[neps]

but I have iLife 05 which includes iMovie HD.

Oh, maybe it's cause I had iLife 05 installed and then did an Archive and Install on Tiger, which might have got the file lost in the shuffle. Will reinstall it tonight I guess.

[MacsRgr8]

I would think the intermediate codec will only appear if you have either iMovie HD or Final Cut Express HD.



He has iLife '05.
I have the same installed, and I did get the update.

I had to do the DVD Player 4.6 manually though.

[nate13]

could this all be the problem with quicktime lately? hopefully... i cant stAND the bugs... oh well its new and 10.4.1 will come soon enuf.... any updates are good updates ;)

[Rod Rod]

Cool, but what do we use intermediate codec for?
Apple Intermediate Codec is what HDV is transcoded to on the fly when importing in iMovie HD and Final Cut Express HD.

It's a compromise between performance and quality. It makes 720p and 1080i editing possible on relatively lowly Macs. Native HDV editing (which is coming in FCP 5) requires much more powerful hardware.

I would think the intermediate codec will only appear if you have either iMovie HD or Final Cut Express HD.

I was asked to grant permission to a file called Qmaster or something after installin, probably because of Pro Application support. I ran a search and it looks to be associated with Shake.

i don't have Shake. :) Oh well.
Qmaster is the encoding engine used by Shake and Compressor (and therefore FCP 4 and above as well as DVD Studio Pro 2 and above). IIRC, iDVD 5 now uses Compressor's encoding technology (which uses Qmaster).

[vouder17]

Sneaky avatar there Rod Rod. :rolleyes:

But yeah i have done the upgrade, but i think this upgrade only really applies to Pro usuers...i see no differences or at-least yet.....
Do many people use DVD player???? Because neither on panther nor on Tiger have i opened it yet....

[swiftaw]

Hm, I didn't see the Itermediate Codec upgrade available in my SW Update, and when I manually download it I get that I can't install it on this volume because the codec that requires updating could not be found.

I'm on a powerbook 1.5g 10.4 with iLife 05. Did a spotlight search and sure enough, no codec is installed. What's the deal?

I was in the same situation as you, but I reinstalled iDVD and iMovie HD from my CD and the codec was installed and then the update became visible in Software Update

[Doctor Q]

Apple spelled "Soundtrack" wrong.

The download page (http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/proapplicationsupport30macosx104.html) says "Sountrack".

[MacsRgr8]

Apple spelled "Soundtrack" wrong.

The download page (http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/proapplicationsupport30macosx104.html) says "Sountrack".

Ha!

Nice find :)

[peripatetic]

I have 10.4, and the two updates (iTunes and now this one) haven't showed up when I try Software Update. I have to manually download them through Apple's site. Anyone experiencing this? What can I do?

[slb]

I'd like to be able to play DVD-A discs in my DVD drive the way I can with WinDVD and PowerDVD in the Windows world. DVD Player won't do it when I try.

[swiftaw]

I have 10.4, and the two updates (iTunes and now this one) haven't showed up when I try Software Update. I have to manually download them through Apple's site. Anyone experiencing this? What can I do?

From what I understand, iTunes 4.8 and DVD player 4.6 has not appeared in Software Updates for anyone.

As for the codec, it only appears if the version 1.0 of the codec is installed on your system.

[Peel]

Qmaster is the encoding engine used by Shake and Compressor (and therefore FCP 4 and above as well as DVD Studio Pro 2 and above). IIRC, iDVD 5 now uses Compressor's encoding technology (which uses Qmaster).

Interestingly, after I installed 10.4, I checked the Software Update, and was told there was an update to QMaster (version 1.2.1). At first I thought that this was a new update, but it had the date of May 2004 on it. Funny that Panther never found this for me. Now just waiting for Shake 4 with QMaster 2, which supports queuing Maya files :D .

[j-a-x]

I'm still waiting for an iPhoto update to fix that annoying "everything turns red in tiger when you edit" bug. I hope more updates are coming soon...

[pdpfilms]

oskar But we're still waiting for 10.4.1

BTW. when is FC Studio being released?

My shipping date is "on or before 6/14/05". So far away!!!

Oh, and DVD Player 4.6 doesn't show up for me either. Pro App Support is currently downloading just fine though.

[AppleMatt]

Apple spelled "Soundtrack" wrong.


http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/appleintermediatecodec101.html
"It is recommended fro al users"

What's going on Apple, getting the work experience boy to post new downloads?

AppleMatt

[pdpfilms]

"It is recommended fro al users"


hahahaha. How come'd the yare doin thi?s

[Freg3000]

Qmaster is the encoding engine used by Shake and Compressor (and therefore FCP 4 and above as well as DVD Studio Pro 2 and above). IIRC, iDVD 5 now uses Compressor's encoding technology (which uses Qmaster).

Thank you for your explanation.

[ijimk]

kool then 10.4.1 should be really soon now guys... ;)

[bedrock22]

the only one i had in my software update was the pro support 3.0

... i should see the codec and dvd player updates too.

is there something I'm doing wrong? why wouldn't those show up?

[swissmann]

Things are kind of messed up being between 10.3 and 10.4. Some people say they see some things in Software Update and I am seeing others. I want a definitive update like 10.4.1 There is no question what this update will be for.

[bdkennedy1]

iMovie sped up noticably after I updated the Apple Intermediate Codec

[RidgeRacerType4]

Holy jee willickers Batman! With this new codec update, I can now watch you trailer (kinda in HD) comfortably! :eek:

[makey]

Seriously. I don't want to get a G5 just so I can watch the trailer to Batman Begins in HD.

Or Do I? :rolleyes:

No you don't I have seen on my iBook. All you need is QT 7.

[Rod Rod]

No you don't I have seen on my iBook. All you need is QT 7.
How's the framerate? Hit command+I (the command or Apple button and the "i" at the same time). Play the trailer. Notice how many frames are being dropped.

Thank you for your explanation.
You're welcome.

[nbs2]

How's the framerate? Hit command+I (the command or Apple button and the "i" at the same time). Play the trailer. Notice how many frames are being dropped.
not cool...i was living happy in my ignorance, thinking how nice everything looked on my screen and how wonderful this h.264 stuff was. then you suggested doing that. I'm only playing at 16 fps or so...now i'm sad. but, it still looks good and loads fast, so i really can't complain...

[SAukland]

Does anyone think that the codec and/or new DVD player will be bundled with 10.4.1?

Likely, or no?

[wrldwzrd89]

That's three updates so far that never showed up in Software Update...Java 5, iTunes 4.8, and DVD Player 4.6. What's going on?

[Ti_Poussin]

Everything is running fine except one thing, the open Video TS folder have change to open DVD media. I can't open some Video TS folder on my HD anymore?!? did Apple remove the feature? or it's a bug? anybody have the same problem?

[faustfire]

Hopefully this update will fix fcp's longstanding problem with its media manager! (crossing my fingers)

[chubad]

None of the updates appear in software update. Whats the deal? iTunes has been out for over a day and still nothing shows up. :confused:

[mkrishnan]

That's three updates so far that never showed up in Software Update...Java 5, iTunes 4.8, and DVD Player 4.6. What's going on?

Yeah, I'm really curious.... if it's a pattern that's going to continue, I'm kinda annoyed. :(

[MyLeftNut]

Same here...inconsistent lists of updates...I'll wait until this gets sorted out...

[Dagless]

Sneaky avatar there Rod Rod. :rolleyes:

But yeah i have done the upgrade, but i think this upgrade only really applies to Pro usuers...i see no differences or at-least yet.....
Do many people use DVD player???? Because neither on panther nor on Tiger have i opened it yet....

funny, ive only ever watched DVDs on my PB, never on a PC. well, apart from Matrix 1 when i first got my DVD-rom drive years back :cool:

[ravenvii]

Well add one more user that only sees the AIC update in Software Update. I know of iTunes 4.8 and DVD Player 4.6, but didn't know there's a Java update?

Damn, hope this isn't a new trend.

[freiheit]

I find it awfully silly that QuickTime 7 and this new codec are compatible with OSX 10.3, but DVD Player 4.6 is not. What could POSSIBLY be Tiger-specific in the DVD player?

[hcuar]

I'm not seeing any of the updates on my PM. I haven't even tried my PB yet... I'm assuming it's the same. ITunes still hasn't shown up on it. :rolleyes:

[mkrishnan]

I'm not seeing any of the updates on my PM. I haven't even tried my PB yet... I'm assuming it's the same. ITunes still hasn't shown up on it. :rolleyes:

I wonder if you have to have certain software installed to see the AIC update. I have iLife 05, but iMovie is not installed -- I only have iTunes and iPhoto on the HD. And I also see nothing. Lalala, I should probably stop posting gripes about this topic. :rolleyes:

[gorkonapple]

Everything is running fine except one thing, the open Video TS folder have change to open DVD media. I can't open some Video TS folder on my HD anymore?!? did Apple remove the feature? or it's a bug? anybody have the same problem?

This is GONE! I used to rip a DVD or two to a external drive and be able to watch them in DVD Player from the VIDEO_TS folder. This is gone now (in 4.6). May have already been gone in 4.5.

EDIT: It's ok. It's now Open Media file instead of open VIDEO_TS. Works fine.

[~Shard~]

DVD Player is "recommended for all users", yet it says I need 10.4 to install it - thanks Apple, I'll stick stick with my current version on my archaic Panther OS. :rolleyes: ;) :cool:

[mickhyperion]

^^^ I thought their wording was a little misleading as well. I guess this might explain why some people are seeing this update in Software Update and others are not. I downloaded it manually before seeing the 10.4 requirement in the fine print and it wouldn't install, of course, since I'm still running Panther.

[DJY]

iTunes 4.8 and DVD Player 4.6 didn't appear here in Software Update either.
The Codec one did today though.

Don't know what's going on??!?!?!
I'm running Tiger on a G4 1.5GHz PB

[wrldwzrd89]

Just to clarify, in case nobody noticed....

You need iMovie HD installed or one of Apple's professional movie editing applications installed before you'll see the AIC update, since those are the applications that use/install/require AIC.

[Applespider]

And if you did an Archive & Install, you'll need to reinstall iMovie from the DVD or it won't see the Intermediate Codec to upgrade it.

Once I did that, it showed up in Software Update. Gave up waiting for DVD player and iTunes though and just downloaded them.

[aswitcher]

I cant get the codec either.

I manually downloaded it but it wont install.

"You cannot install Apple Intermediate Codec on this volume. A version of Apple Intermediate Codec that requires updating was not found"...

WTF?

[pmd]

I cant get the codec either.

I manually downloaded it but it wont install.

"You cannot install Apple Intermediate Codec on this volume. A version of Apple Intermediate Codec that requires updating was not found"...

WTF?

Read the previous messages in this thread - there have been at least a couple of messages explaining why you could be having problems.

But, as I'm feeling nice, I'll repeat them -

The AIC update will only install if version 1.0 is on your machine, in /Library/Quicktime.

Think you should have it because you installed iLife '05? I bet you did an Archive and Install when you installed Tiger. That doesn't transfer the contents of that folder, so you won't have it any more

But, if you still have the /Previous Systems folder in your drive, dig into it and copy the codec into /Libary/Quicktime and then run the update again.

I hope that helps.

Paul

[aswitcher]

Read the previous messages in this thread - there have been at least a couple of messages explaining why you could be having problems.

But, as I'm feeling nice, I'll repeat them -

The AIC update will only install if version 1.0 is on your machine, in /Library/Quicktime.

Think you should have it because you installed iLife '05? I bet you did an Archive and Install when you installed Tiger. That doesn't transfer the contents of that folder, so you won't have it any more

But, if you still have the /Previous Systems folder in your drive, dig into it and copy the codec into /Libary/Quicktime and then run the update again.

I hope that helps.

Paul


Paul, thanks for that explanation. Yes I have iLofe 05 and yes I did an Archive & Install.

This is annoying. I just deleted my old info after backing up my new Tiger system!

I also have QT7 Pro...

Anyone know how I get the earlier Codec without reinstalling iLife05?

[~Shard~]

^^^ I thought their wording was a little misleading as well. I guess this might explain why some people are seeing this update in Software Update and others are not. I downloaded it manually before seeing the 10.4 requirement in the fine print and it wouldn't install, of course, since I'm still running Panther.

Yep, that's exactly what I did too - looked for it in Software Update, then went directly to Apple's site.

[devman]

After 10.4 my G5 intermittently tells me blank DVDs are not usable 'Drive not supported" - well considering Apple shipped that drive INSIDE machine.... and it was under 10.3.9.... this problem seems OK now but having a blank DVD in machine upon startup still gives the error.

Machine specs see below

A reboot fixed this for me on my PM. Others have said resetting PRAM fixed it for them. Others have said they clicked OK on that error message and then used force quit to relaunch finder and that fixed it.

[jayscheuerle]

What's an HD DVD? I understand that it's a high-definition DVD, but these things won't play in regular DVD players, right? What do you do with them?

[~Shard~]

What's an HD DVD? I understand that it's a high-definition DVD, but these things won't play in regular DVD players, right? What do you do with them?

HD DVD / Blu Ray are the next standards for DVDs - they're like DVDs, except in HD, far better quality. So get ready to upgrade your entire collection of soon-to-be-antiquated DVDs! ;)

And yes, you need new technology for them. Hopefully Apple will have Blu Ray in the PowerMacs for 2006...

[Platform]

Good to see.....now HD is finally comming for full :rolleyes: :D

[jayscheuerle]

HD DVD / Blu Ray are the next standards for DVDs - they're like DVDs, except in HD, far better quality. So get ready to upgrade your entire collection of soon-to-be-antiquated DVDs! ;)

And yes, you need new technology for them. Hopefully Apple will have Blu Ray in the PowerMacs for 2006...

Yeah, one more shiny disk that the less techie think should just play in any shiny disk player...

[Applespider]

Anyone know how I get the earlier Codec without reinstalling iLife05?

You don't have to completely re-install. Just do iMovie from the custom install option - it took less than 5 minutes for me.

[Lara F]

Hmm...I downloaded Intermediate Codec 1.5 (from the Apple site - being a new Mac user I didn't think of Software Update) and it seemed to install fine, but when I checked my Library/QuickTime folder the info still said version 1.0. :confused:

[Rod Rod]

What's an HD DVD? I understand that it's a high-definition DVD, but these things won't play in regular DVD players, right? What do you do with them?
Next-generation high definition DVD players should be compatible with high definition DVDs burned on present-day Macs with the upcoming DVD Studio Pro 4. Apple had a Toshiba prototype HD DVD player at their NAB booth to demonstrate this.

Because the bitrate for high definition H.264 is similar to standard definition MPEG2, two hours of quality HD material could fit onto a single layer, red-laser burned DVD. The blue laser players (HD DVD and Blu Ray) will also have red lasers in them.

"Apple is committed to both emerging high definition DVD standards—Blu-ray Disc and HD DVD." (This is from the fourth paragraph (http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2005/apr/17hd.html) of an Apple press release.)

[Rod Rod]

not cool...i was living happy in my ignorance, thinking how nice everything looked on my screen and how wonderful this h.264 stuff was. then you suggested doing that. I'm only playing at 16 fps or so...now i'm sad. but, it still looks good and loads fast, so i really can't complain...
Well, if you'd like to see that material at its full frame rate, just transcode it to DVCProHD. The resulting files will be way bigger but you won't drop any frames (or at least you'll drop way fewer frames).

[fatfish]

Next-generation high definition DVD players should be compatible with high definition DVDs burned on present-day Macs with the upcoming DVD Studio Pro 4. Apple had a Toshiba prototype HD DVD player at their NAB booth to demonstrate this.

Because the bitrate for high definition H.264 is similar to standard definition MPEG2, two hours of quality HD material could fit onto a single layer, red-laser burned DVD. The blue laser players (HD DVD and Blu Ray) will also have red lasers in them.

"Apple is committed to both emerging high definition DVD standards—Blu-ray Disc and HD DVD." (This is from the fourth paragraph (http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2005/apr/17hd.html) of an Apple press release.)

Are you sure?

The h.264 trailers I have d/l are about 6.5 Mbps for 720 and 8.5 Mbps for 1080, isn't mpeg2 about 3.6 Mbps

[t300]

I installed this on 2 of my Macs and now all DIVX .AVI's playback all choppy and have no audio...Any clues?

[aswitcher]

You don't have to completely re-install. Just do iMovie from the custom install option - it took less than 5 minutes for me.

Thanks.

[Rod Rod]

Are you sure?

The h.264 trailers I have d/l are about 6.5 Mbps for 720 and 8.5 Mbps for 1080, isn't mpeg2 about 3.6 Mbps
MPEG2 bitrates can vary, just as H.264 bitrates. Most Hollywood movie DVDs are encoded at around 7 to 8.5Mbps, which is considered high quality MPEG2. The point I was trying to make is that relative to quality, bitrates for HD H.264 and SD MPEG2 are similar if not identical.

[CubaTBird]

when is this showing up in software update? its been out for a while already...

[hob]

when is this showing up in software update? its been out for a while already...
Sometimes it just doesnt

I don't ask questions, I just manually install :p

[plonk420]

deinterlacing, dammit, DEINTERLACING!!!! ...but i don't expect Apple to even care to give it a moment's thought...