OS X 10.4.1 Now Available

[sorryiwasdreami]

Here we go with the endless "10.4.1 broke my _____ !" posts.

Everything seems to be running very well for me since the update.

[MBHockey]

search macupdate or versiontracker for TransparentDock

[sorryiwasdreami]

I run Weather and my Dashboard has never crashed. Sure it's Weather?

Never crashed for me either, and I'm running 3 instances of the widget.

[bousozoku]

I just updated my dual 800 to Tiger and 10.4.1 and I find that performance on a busy system is much less smooth than it was with 10.3.x. Hopefully, things like this will be worked out long before 10.4.9.

[spaceballl]

expose - still choppy.

-Kevin

[greenfluke]

I noticed that they still haven't enabled Quartz2DExtreme by default yet, although it does seem a little faster when enabled now. I don't notice much of a difference on my G5, but on my iBook stuff is definately faster, but the biggest improvement is that spotlight flys. It used to take as long as the old search did, but now it rocks. Solid update!

[mkrishnan]

how do you make it transparent???

They are talking about this:

http://www.freerangemac.com/TransparentDock2.html

[MacStarbird]

No issues here on my 17" PB. Works great. Tiger really is a well planned release. Solid.

[MontyZ]

FYI, 10.3.9 is still snappy! Good job Apple!!

[beatle888]

I'm disappointed that they didn't say anything about updating the iTunes Controller Widget. It barely works. Also don't see any mention of fixing the bug in iPhoto where pictures get "enhanced" when you click done after performing edits. Oh well, maybe in 10.4.2.


it works fine on an iMac 20" G5

[Applespider]

It always amazes me how most of the bug or issue posts are angry ones when you know the consequences of being an early adopter.


To be fair, there is a bit of an issue here as regards stability and bugs in early builds of 10.4. Sure, those of us upgrading know we're early adopters and to be sure to back up etc

But what about those folks who just went to buy a Mac for the first time. They're getting Macs with Tiger on it without the option of 'waiting' unless you count not having a computer. They've heard 'Macs are stable, Macs don't crash' and then they get faced with all these 'odd' quirks that are the results of OS's newness. It must be a little confusing for them - particularly when the troubleshooting answers can be 'wait and see' It's likely to reinforce their 'told you so' PC-using friend's view that Apple is a mickey mouse company.

Having said all that, I suspect that Tiger is pretty stable for the majority of people (I haven't had a panic and only one unexpected quit under .0 or .1), and hopefully the Mac newbies are still only trying the basic stuff (not SMB shares etc) and won't come across the 'buggy' areas until they've already been fixed.

[eldar_a]

Um... well although I "somewhat" agree with you, does anyone remember the
10.2.6 (or was it 10.2.8? ) debacle where Apple had to pull the update for a few days... Oh, and the 10.3.0 upgrade that screwed up Firewire drives.

Although I really do trust Apple to the core, I can't blame anyone for being cautious after these 2 screwups!

... how about firmware update that *burned* my G5 motherboard. It had to be replaced - thank God that my G5 was still under warranty.

[mrzippy]

You can choose from three font sizes in the Dictionary widget after installing this update (regular, large, and extra-large)—click the "i" button to access the Font size pop-up menu.

Extract from Apple site, does anyone see this "i" button on dictionary?

I don't.


Update.... It's there after you search a word, sorry!

[mkrishnan]

it works fine on an iMac 20" G5

Which? The iPhoto issue or the iTunes widget? The iPhoto issue seems to be pretty consistent with people running 10.4.0 and iPhoto 5.02.... However, if you have never calibrated your display, so that you are seeing the Generic RGB profile, then you would never see this issue. :)

[Diatribe]

Your choppy expose was fixed? Mine wasn't..

:(

Yeah, mine is a lot faster too. Maybe repair permissions and a nice restart?

BTW, kinda OT but thanks for the nice metal look in Adium. It is very much appreciated.

[eldar_a]

An interesting point for those yet to update:

If you have edited the World Clock widget (Library:Widgets:World Clock.wdgt:World Clock.js) to add a city which is not listed by default, you may lose this information. Point in case: I added the Canadian city Edmonton to be on the same time zone as Calgary - and upon 10.4.1 first boot it became Guatemala.

An easy fix, but back up your old World Clock.js and localizedStrings.js (in the language directory) if you've made lots of changes!

I did a same thing. I added my home town, Sarajevo :)
Thanks for the tip

[gossas]

Lucky you - it doesn't appear to have fixed anyone else's colour preferences. :( Which colour profile are you running on - System Preferences/Display?

I'm using a calibrated version of the Cinema HD Display profile.


Only one crash in 10 hours, woo-yay, Tiger is finally stable. :D

[Diatribe]

But holy moly, why act like whining crybabies?


There is a subtle difference between crying and saying that these are unnecessary bugs. An operating system should never be declared GM with SERIOUS bugs like upgrading messing up many systems, burning not possible, ichat doesn't connect over proxy, choppy av and many many more.

I know the risks of being an early adopter and I accept bugs, but c'mon it didn't have to be THAT many, now did it?


And I am not singling you out Diatribe. You were just a convenient quote.

Good, because otherwise I would think you wouldn't have read my post and the one after that correctly. :p

[mkrishnan]

I know the risks of being an early adopter and I accept bugs, but c'mon it didn't have to be THAT many, now did it?

That would be an interesting poll for MacPolls...some kind of subjective, "I had extreme difficulty, moderate difficulty, little/no difficulty upgrading to Tiger...." kind of question. It seems to me that subjectively, the vast preponderance of MR'ers have had at least moderate system instability, with only a few people reporting no issues whatsoever with Tiger....

But totally agree, I knew what I was getting into, and actually, it seems to have stabilized somewhat for me -- woo-wee, I'm almost at 5 days of uptime on 10.4.0! :D Possibly because I know what not to try now, but.... :rolleyes:

[glennsan]

I noticed that they still haven't enabled Quartz2DExtreme by default yet, although it does seem a little faster when enabled now. I don't notice much of a difference on my G5, but on my iBook stuff is definately faster, but the biggest improvement is that spotlight flys. It used to take as long as the old search did, but now it rocks. Solid update!

Can you tell me how you update this manually? A redirect to a web site would be fine. Thank you.

[maveness]

I've had very few problems with Tiger on two machines (desktop & laptop).

It's the little "add-ons" and system mods and plug-ins and so forth that seem to account for the vast majority of glitches that people report in 4.0 and 4.1.

Apple cannot POSSIBLY test for all these little mods. Tinkerers, you know who you are: do a clean install and then gradually (like, one at a time) add your favorite goodies back in. The same goes for peripheral drivers that don't use built-in OS services.

The people who buy brand-new Macs off the shelf with Tiger pre-installed are very unlikely to experience the kind of problems most people here are describing.

[mkrishnan]

Can you tell me how you update this manually? A redirect to a web site would be fine. Thank you.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=123912&highlight=quartz

Use at your own risk, natch. ;)

[mhamen]

Is this an update of an OS or an Application?


shemp - I have an app that has the X background if I install it in 10.3.8 but in 10.4 it has the background you described, I think it might be something with the OS itself not the individual file

[fps]

Well isn't it the classic scenario were one has declared that Tiger were going to be released in the 1st half of 2005 and the end of the 1st half fast approaching they decided to release a GM which maybe was not solid enough... in order to not lose face :rolleyes:
On a different note what really [expletive deleted] me off is Java 5 not supported by Apple on Panther :confused:
I need Java 5 as we upgraded a project I'm working on at work to Java 5 so I must upgrade to Tiger but I also need the Cisco VPN client which isn't working yet on Tiger :mad:

[edenwaith]

I still have yet to be convinced that Tiger is worth the upgrade, especially after hearing all of the horror stories of crashing applications. I think at least I'll wait until 10.4.3, if I upgrade at all.

I am very satisfied with 10.3.9 at the moment. Being in its 10th incarnation (versus Tiger's 2nd) means that the OS has essentially been perfected. Why would I give that up to get a buggy young OS with more flashy features?

And by the way: what is this widgets obsession anyway? Apple is acting like this is the greatest new feature of Tiger. If that's true, then thanks, but I think I'll keep my reliable Panther and my $129.


I agree with you. From what I've seen and used, Tiger seems to be the smallest jump in improvements and features from each of the previous .1 increments. Until the applications you NEED require Tiger, I'd recommend sticking with Panther, which works just fine at this time.

I'm still up in the air about Dashboard. Once again, I agree with your point. If Dashboard is one of the major features, then I think there just wasn't enough to truly advertise for Tiger, or they advertised the wrong things. Dashboard might prove useful, or it might just be a waste of resources.

[drrocky]

I also need the Cisco VPN client which isn't working yet on Tiger :mad:

Cisco has come out with an updated VPN client, compatible with Tiger. However, it requires a single-processor system. You need to get the client from the system administrator of your network.

[robshakir]

Cisco has come out with an updated VPN client, compatible with Tiger. However, it requires a single-processor system. You need to get the client from the system administrator of your network.

Or from CCO if you have access.

The VPN client's working well with a couple of different concentrators, and seems to be working fine on Tiger for other people as well. My speculation (FWIW) about the single processor thing is that Cisco wanted to get a working version out of the door, and didn't check that it was SMP safe, or introduce any kind of atomic operations, or spinlocks to make it work properly.

I imagine we'll see a new VPN client for OS X in a few weeks.

The new icon's purdy!

Rob

[fps]

Cisco has come out with an updated VPN client, compatible with Tiger. However, it requires a single-processor system. You need to get the client from the system administrator of your network.

Thanks for the info but what good is it for a powermac user :rolleyes:
Also the fact Cisco doesn't make the various releases of their client publicly available is dumb beyond belief... It's always the same pbm, having to look on the net for Windows or Linux or Mac client...

[iomar]

My finder still quits when I try to use the new spotlight search. Even when I am on finder going from one folder to another for a while sometimes it just closes or crashes for no reason and I have dig back to the folder I was. Thanks to pathfinder I am using that instead of the OS 10.4.

[Diatribe]

My finder still quites when I try to use the new spotlight search. Even when I am on finder going from one folder to another for a while sometimes it should closes or crashes for no reason and I have dig back to the folder I was. Thanks to pathfinder I am using that instead of the OS 10.4.

Try repairing permissions and/or trashing the Finder preferences.

[macmax77]

don't know , internet worked better with 10.4 and Americas Army doesn't log in or if it does it doesn't authenticate me. :confused:

[Kerry Sanders]

Everything fine on a rev. A 17" G5 iMac 1.8GHz, but I did receive the following prompt after re-booting:

I saw this not too long after rebooting. I also saw it for another application, but I cannot think of it right now.

[iomar]

Try repairing permissions and/or trashing the Finder preferences.

Well, actually I have already repaired permissions. That didn't help. I will try trashing the finder preferences I hope that helps. Thanks for suggesting that.

[jcshas]

So I guess this means that the Mac OS X Tiger Pilot phase is officially over :D

[Kerry Sanders]

Your choppy expose was fixed? Mine wasn't..
:(

Just for clarification, what is choppy about it? I have not really noticed anything on my system.

[thequicksilver]

Just for clarification, what is choppy about it? I have not really noticed anything on my system.

Speaking only for myself, under 10.4 the animation appeared to drop a few frames, so it basically stuttered its way though the window movement/resizing.

That said, 10.4.1 has fixed it here.

[j-a-x]

The iPhoto issue effects me, and I have not calibrated my display since I installed Tiger. I made sure the color profile was the apple default (color LCD) with no luck and no luck with generic RGB either. My iPhoto still turns people's skin yellow after a few edits.

-Jax

Which? The iPhoto issue or the iTunes widget? The iPhoto issue seems to be pretty consistent with people running 10.4.0 and iPhoto 5.02.... However, if you have never calibrated your display, so that you are seeing the Generic RGB profile, then you would never see this issue. :)

[Diatribe]

The iPhoto issue effects me, and I have not calibrated my display since I installed Tiger. I made sure the color profile was the apple default (color LCD) with no luck and no luck with generic RGB either. My iPhoto still turns people's skin yellow after a few edits.

-Jax

Same here, I have the same issue. I was already wondering what this is...

[Diatribe]

Well, actually I have already repaired permissions. That didn't help. I will try trashing the finder preferences I hope that helps. Thanks for suggesting that.

No problem, let me know if it helped.
You need to restart the computer after trashing the plist though.

[fatfish]

A real speed bump with X.4.1 for me. Guess X.4.0 wasn't working as it should for me, although there were no specific problems for me.

I had a few minor incompatibility issues, such as little 3rd party add-ons, but nothing major. Dashboard was a bit of trouble, but I shut down some hungry and some buggy widgets and hey all works well now.

For me Tiger was well worth it, X.4.1 just makes it better. Before Tiger I was looking forward to automator but didn't really see much use for me for spotlight. Now I have tiger, I'm a little disapointed with automator, but spotlight is worth twice the admission price for me. Smart folders have revolutionised my work flow.

[Lacero]

A real speed bump with X.4.1 for me.What does that mean? Is it faster or slower?

[whatever]

Oh no... my Titanium 1Ghz still can't switch resolution or change brightness. I thought I'd just have to wait until this update for my eyes to stop burning and so I can play games with my brother again. Come on, Apple... I *can't change my screen resolution or brightness settings and it is making it hard for me to use my computer*. Sigh..

10.1.4 fixed it on my computer.

Everything appears to be faster too.

Do people find themselves rebooting their computers often? The only time I ever reboot is for upgrades. I think I was up for 14 days with 10.4 before I rebooted this afternoon. The same is true for my Powerbook, I never have to reboot, I just put it to sleep.

[cb911]

Lacero - contrary to the real world 'speed bumps' we all know, i think he's talking about this giving the OS a speed bump in the fact that it's bumped up the speed - that it's gotten faster. :)

httpmail for hotmail (version 1.44) is broken now :mad:

Nuc

so why don't you just re-enable it? :rolleyes: i've got HTTPMail and that's what i plan to do it the update disables it.

Things I've noticed:
-"I Get Movies" and "Bittorrent" are still broken.

still broken? BitTorrent has been working fine for me. hell - i even opened up Interface Editor to remove the metal texture and that stupid little "Feeling tip-sy?" button. :D are you sure you've got the latest version?

[rog]

Well isn't it the classic scenario were one has declared that Tiger were going to be released in the 1st half of 2005 and the end of the 1st half fast approaching they decided to release a GM which maybe was not solid enough... in order to not lose face :rolleyes:


That makes no sense. They had 2 more months and would have taken that time if they needed it. They didn't. 10.4 was a completed OS. No OS is bug free, ever. Every .0 release since OS7 has been improved by subsequent updates.

[fatfish]

What does that mean? Is it faster or slower?

faster

[Lacero]

fasterBut a speed bump is meant to slow down fast moving traffic.

[wrldwzrd89]

But a speed bump is meant to slow down fast moving traffic.
"Speed bump" is being used in the computer update sense, i.e. "that Mac line got a speed bump yesterday".

[mkrishnan]

"Speed bump" is being used in the computer update sense, i.e. "that Mac line got a speed bump yesterday".

Yeah, and Americans drive on parkways and park on driveways. Don't expect us to use language in a sensible fashion! ;) :eek: :D

[Links]

Classic fails to launch, hangs during startup.
Processors just churn away.

Movies minimized to Dock get stuck there
and QuickTime has to be quit to remove it.


Removing DivX Pro 5.2.1 component from ./Library/QuickTime/
fixed both problems.
_____________________________
Dual 1.8, ATI X800 XT, 2.5 GB RAM

[ravenvii]

Well, just to let you guys know... DVD Player 4.6 has just finally appeared in Software Update for me.

[mkrishnan]

Well, just to let you guys know... DVD Player 4.6 has just finally appeared in Software Update for me.

I was actually coming to this thread to say the same thing! :D

I don't really care that it came late, don't get me wrong. I was just worried that s/u update was not working correctly.... :(

[Lord Kythe]

Well, actually I have already repaired permissions. That didn't help. I will try trashing the finder preferences I hope that helps. Thanks for suggesting that.

I noticed you are using a 900 MHz G3 B&W, which means it must have been upgraded with a third-party Processor Upgrade. Perhaps your problem is with that upgrade's compatibility with Tiger. 10.4 was optimized for G5s (64-bit processing), and although it is fully-compatible with 32-bit processing, older computers, especially upgraded ones, will have more and more problems with new OS X versions. :(

I witnessed several problems with older macs and Tiger. Although any Mac with native built-in Firewire (such as the B&W, I think it is the oldest one with built-in firewire though) should run it flawlessly, it seems early ones have key issues with the Finder's stability among others.

Your issue might also be with Firmware (although if the system allowed you to install Tiger, your firmware should be up-to-date), have you checked your CPU upgrade manufacturer's drivers/firmware since Tiger?

If all else fails, you might have a RAM problem (stability issues of this nature often point to RAM problems). Try running a Hardware Test (Extended) to diagnostic faulty memory.

Your last resort should be to re-install Tiger, but before you re-boot from the Tiger DVD, hold your "programmer's" button (the flat one beside the restart button) and make sure you got the latest firmware installed (http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=86117).

Good Luck! :)

Oh, and by the way I am running a Mirror Door G4 dual 867MHz, a Quicksilver G4 800MHz OCed to 867MHz, an iBook G4 933MHz and a Mac Mini G4 1.42GHz on 10.4.1, and all of them are running smooth. Tiger has made my Quicksilver significantly faster (couldn't say for the others as I mainly use the Quicksilver until I can upgrade to a Quad G5.. Come on Apple! DO IT!), and 10.4.1 fixed the few minor issues I was having with third-party devices (Nikon CoolPix 5100 wasn't recognized as easily as before, and a Minolta QMS laser printer was behaving strangely before the upgrade).

[matticus008]

10.4.1 broke my Automator app!
I created a workflow to connect to and mount 3 network shares at login, and it worked great until yesterday's .1 update. Now it will only mount the first share and then fail, complaining that "The server may not exist or it is not operational at this time. Check the server name or IP address and try again."

However, the server name, share name, authentication information, IP addresses, host name, and access permissions have not changed. I hope Automator updates aren't far away. If I change the order of the shares, it will mount the first one only, regardless of which one is first.

[stephenli]

usb devices unplugged always get halted
comeon....still exist in 10.4.1

[YS2003]

I donwloaded 4.1 update and seems everything is working well. I also updated DVD player. I need to check it before I can comment on any problem if any.

[Kerry Sanders]

Well, just to let you guys know... DVD Player 4.6 has just finally appeared in Software Update for me.

Finally got it this afternoon. Like a lot of others, though, my OS X 10.4.1 update was only like a 19.7 GB download. The download file from the Apple site is like 37 GB.

Any thoughts?

[mkrishnan]

Finally got it this afternoon. Like a lot of others, though, my OS X 10.4.1 update was only like a 19.7 GB download. The download file from the Apple site is like 37 GB.

Any thoughts?


Yes. I hope you mean megabytes and not gigabytes, because (and this really should be said in a Scotty from Star Trek voice) She just canna handle that kind of power, cap'n!

:eek:

[Kerry Sanders]

Yes. I hope you mean megabytes and not gigabytes, because (and this really should be said in a Scotty from Star Trek voice) She just canna handle that kind of power, cap'n!


Yes... that should have been MB, not GB. I think I need to get a few extra hours of sleep at night. :o

[mkrishnan]

Yes... that should have been MB, not GB. I think I need to get a few extra hours of sleep at night. :o

:D

I usually resist the urge to do that, so sorry. ;) FWIW mine clocks in at 19.4.... They've always been different in size, but there hardly seems to be enough other stuff that's been released since Tiger came out to justify that size difference. Maybe iTunes 4.8 and DVD Player 4.6 are in the Apple website download?

[MontyZ]

So, is Tiger what you would consider a "stable" OS release? Seems like a lot of problems. But I waited until 10.3.x before upgrading to OSX, so, can't compare it.

[mclosers]

After updating to Tiger in iTunes, everytime a song gets finnished playing it stops, and says "searching for movie data in file "Orig_0026321d.IETemp"" and then the music won't play again until I click cancel...
I didn't put any movie files into iTunes after I "up"graded... I just started playing music and that is what happened...
It also makes the whole computer slow down..
Anyone have any ideas?
should I erase the itunes library thing and force it to recreate it or something?

[Kerry Sanders]

So, is Tiger what you would consider a "stable" OS release? Seems like a lot of problems. But I waited until 10.3.x before upgrading to OSX, so, can't compare it.

It is very stable here for me, but then again, this is my first ever experience with Mac OS X. It is not my first experience with a *nix based OS, though.

I can say this for sure. I have had this Power Mac just over 6 days now. It is so exciting to be able to do something with my computer instead of for my computer.

The latest ChuckChat Technorama (http://www.chuckchat.com/php/blog.php/blog/tech/) podcast says it all tonight. He had to do the podcast on a heathen box (aka Wintel). He was talking about all the issues that he ran into with the Window box. It is funny to listen to. :)

[MontyZ]

It is very stable here for me, but then again, this is my first ever experience with Mac OS X. It is not my first experience with a *nix based OS, though.
Oh, well, good for you for switching! I made the switch about 6 years ago after having used Windows for...well, since 2.0 actually (and before that, good ole DOS). I am MUCH happier on the Mac and really love OSX.

So, did you get your Mac with Tiger pre-installed? Or did you upgrade from Panther? Just curious to see if it's the upgrading that causes the most problems. I am going to wait until 10.4.2 I think.

[bankshot]

Unless something was fixed in the kernel itself relating to this, I suppose I'll get my first 10.4.1 panic sometime in the next day or two... :(

And it's confirmed - 10.4.1 did not even attempt to fix this USB bug. 8 crashes in 16 days is waaaaay too much, so I am officially back on Panther. Glad I installed to a separate disk, so reverting was as simple as switching startup disks (I also made sure to make a backup copy of my personal Library folder, so everything is exactly as it was before Tiger).

Quite frankly, I'm very disappointed. :( Obviously this crash isn't affecting all models, and perhaps it's only my particular model (QuickSilver 2002 733 MHz G4 PowerMac). But you'd think something that causes a crash every freaking 2 days would come up in QA or beta testing. :mad:

Guess I'll be waiting to see if 10.4.2 addresses this issue, since I'm done being Apple's guinea pig!

[BWhaler]

So, is Tiger what you would consider a "stable" OS release?

No. Not even close.

Here's hoping .2 fixes hundreds and hundreds of bugs in Tiger. Not a few dozen.

[skunk]

Here's hoping .2 fixes hundreds and hundreds of bugs in Tiger. Not a few dozen.Well, to be fair, Apple do say there are over two hundred new features: they just didn't make it clear that the new features were all bugs.
:rolleyes:

[petej]

Given the timing for this update, 10.4.1 will mainly fix bugs that were known about prior to 10.4.0 shipping. This only gives more ammunition to me and all the others that say 10.4.0 should not have been released. Much as I admire Apple, if they carry on this way they will lose their gloss and I don't want that to happen. I'm just glad that I kept my Panther backup and was able to revert back. My buggy 10.4 installation was a clean install and I submitted all my bug reports back to Apple.

[BWhaler]

Given the timing for this update, 10.4.1 will mainly fix bugs that were known about prior to 10.4.0 shipping. This only gives more ammunition to me and all the others that say 10.4.0 should not have been released. Much as I admire Apple, if they carry on this way they will lose their gloss and I don't want that to happen. I'm just glad that I kept my Panther backup and was able to revert back. My buggy 10.4 installation was a clean install and I submitted all my bug reports back to Apple.

I couldn't agree more.

And it's not the bugs, although the bugs annoy me. I assume Apple needed Tiger out for Wall Street reasons or for future products which depend on Tiger. (I'm not making excuses for Apple, but there has to be a reason since they had another couple of months until the public deadline.)

But what worries me is the lack of Apple Touch in the thinking behind Tiger.

Examples:

1. To isync in Tiger across multiple devices, you now go to three different apps, and they all must be open for "Sync Now" to work. This was not the case in Panther, and is the type of thinking that comes from Redmond

2. No way to delete (easily designed for my Mom) widgets

3. Syncing and .Mac integration flat out does not work. This is a keystone feature of Tiger and it simply does not work.

4. Quartz 2D. Again, one of the 200 new features, and it's shipped turned off.

The list goes on and on. And it makes me sad.

See, I love technology. And because of the oligopoly on the PC side of the house, Apple is all we've got for excitement. And if they can't deliver, there is nowhere really else to turn.

So I hope this was a fluke, or even better, Apple has some sick products coming soon which require Tiger.

And until then, let's hope .2 has the hundreds and hundreds of bug fixes Tiger desparately needs.

[Lacero]

Much as I admire Apple, if they carry on this way they will lose their gloss and I don't want that to happen. I'm just glad that I kept my Panther backup and was able to revert back. My buggy 10.4 installation was a clean install and I submitted all my bug reports back to Apple.You'd be singing the same song, if Apple internally waited another build before releasing the GM, which would have been 10.4.1, but released under the 10.4.0 designation.

[drlunanerd]

Or from CCO if you have access.

The VPN client's working well with a couple of different concentrators, and seems to be working fine on Tiger for other people as well. My speculation (FWIW) about the single processor thing is that Cisco wanted to get a working version out of the door, and didn't check that it was SMP safe, or introduce any kind of atomic operations, or spinlocks to make it work properly.

I imagine we'll see a new VPN client for OS X in a few weeks.

The new icon's purdy!

Rob

It ain't working for me on my single G4 Power Mac. Had the previous version running on Panther fine and dandy. This new version loads and connects, but no IP address is assigned for some reason so I have no connectivity to the remote network.

[Stella]

Given the timing for this update, 10.4.1 will mainly fix bugs that were known about prior to 10.4.0 shipping. This only gives more ammunition to me and all the others that say 10.4.0 should not have been released. Much as I admire Apple, if they carry on this way they will lose their gloss and I don't want that to happen. I'm just glad that I kept my Panther backup and was able to revert back. My buggy 10.4 installation was a clean install and I submitted all my bug reports back to Apple.

Apple did the exact same thing with Panther too... a few weeks after Panther initially shipped, out came 10.3.1.

I can't remember if Panther was any more or less stable. However, I do remember I couldn't connect to Windows machines for a while.

[stephenli]

Tiger has made my Quicksilver significantly faster (couldn't say for the others as I mainly use the Quicksilver until I can upgrade to a Quad G5.. Come on Apple! DO IT!), and 10.4.1 fixed the few minor issues I was having with third-party devices (Nikon CoolPix 5100 wasn't recognized as easily as before, and a Minolta QMS laser printer was behaving strangely before the upgrade).

i am sure my MDD 1.25dual and my AGP 400 >1Ghz are both slower than before.
Tiger is a nightmare for me, MAME old version cannot launch & new version cannot recognize lots of stuff before; system update quit while install 10.4.1; quit again while updating iTunes 4.8; heavy app got slower; preview still crash......
give me back my Pantherrrrrrrrrrr

[jkeithh]

Same here, so I'm downloading it manually.

My software update found it, but crashed both times it tried to download and install it. I had to manually install it as well.

[MacSA]

Why are some people having lots of problems and others few or none at all? Frankly reading through this entire thread is enough to put off any potential switcher - Finder problems, software update crashing, unable to burn CD's (that ones a MAJOR problem i'd say) :eek: :eek:

[Lacero]

Because if you lived in a hospital, you may come to believe people are always sick. But the truth of the matter is, Tiger is amazingly stable. You'll only hear of the problems when people are in search of answers.

[jasonvaughan]

Longhorn is the name of the next version of Windoze. I must say that although it is named after a US mountain, in rather conjours up images of an old bovine creature stumbling through the dessert.

Such a a creature would also, one assumes, be riddled with bugs.

What is more, such animals are the regular prey for species high up the foodchain, such as big cats.

Longhorn has not even arrived but the Tiger is already salivating at the prospect of having it for breakfast.

[Sox]

Unfortunately, longhorn cattle are indigenous to neither the Serengeti, nor the Russian Taiga, nor the jungles of India, the three natural habitats for the world's tiger population. The only way a longhorn would come into contact with a tiger, and subsequently be torn to ribbons and devoured, is if the summer cattle drive goes past Mike Tyson's house.

[mac15]

Hopefully my Airport connection doesn't all of sudden just drop out like it has been doing I know they say they've fixed it but nobody ever seems to dig through the updates and test them out properly.

[zac4mac]

Came by here this morning to see what was up with the new DVD Player. Found it in Software Update this morning. So far no real problems with Tiger:

*Startup is twice+ as fast as Panther
*All grafix/eye candy working fine
*iTunes is fine
*Connecting to other Macs on home network FINALLY works right
*Movies running and minimized to dock no longer stuck in dock
*DOOM3 seems faster, no previous benchmarks to be sure, but bumped my settings up while keeping good frame-rates
*Improved AirPort reception<edit: add>

This is on my G5, maybe I'll play with my old G3 iBook tonite and see how it's faring. Loaded Tiger on it first and it was stable but missing the ripple effect. It has little eye-candy due to its age, at least it's got a 32MB vidcard instead of 8MB like its predecessor.

[bbyrdhouse]

I don't know about y'all, but one thing positive I have noticed is that my Powerbook "wakes up" alot faster than it used to.

[mkrishnan]

I don't know about y'all, but one thing positive I have noticed is that my Powerbook "wakes up" alot faster than it used to.

Was it slow before? Do you mean the part after the screen comes on and it's trying to acquire an airport signal, or something else? I guess that part could be faster....

[Riot_Mac]

Hopefully my Airport connection doesn't all of sudden just drop out like it has been doing I know they say they've fixed it but nobody ever seems to dig through the updates and test them out properly.

my airport express signal dropped so low i couldnt connect to it for the first time ever. It was weird. I reset my airport express and restarted my computer and everything was fine. I checked my girlfriends imac who is still running panther and she had full signal strength. not sure why that happend to my computer, dont know if it had something to do with 10.4.1 or what

[robshakir]

Thanks for the info but what good is it for a powermac user :rolleyes:
Also the fact Cisco doesn't make the various releases of their client publicly available is dumb beyond belief... It's always the same pbm, having to look on the net for Windows or Linux or Mac client...

Hi there,

I'm not sure if anyone else here is subscribed to the Cisco-NSP list, but Robert Crowe (Cisco employee) posted this to the list yesterday:


The release that was posted to CCO is for single processors only.
Conservatively we are saying 2 months for the next release.


- RC

Sounds like you're in for a bit of a wait for the upgrade, which doesn't necessarily seem to be that much of a bad thing.

Rob

[robshakir]

I don't know about y'all, but one thing positive I have noticed is that my Powerbook "wakes up" alot faster than it used to.

Is there still a delay with the PowerBooks going to sleep? I heard that there was an approx. 30 second delay with 10.4.0, which sounded annoying.

Also, on waking from sleep, does it automagically reconnect to the wireless network it was attached to before sleep?

Cheers,
Rob

[dorr]

I noticed that 10.4.0 only recognized 1 GB of my 1.5 GB's of RAM. I'm hoping that the update will fix this. Has anyone had a similar experience and does 10.4.1 fix it?

My experience in upgrading to Tiger was a bit worrisome. Over the years, I had upgraded to every new version of OS X (as opposed to "clean installs" or "archive and installs") and I think that with Tiger, my system finally reached a limit. I started having issues on a variety of fronts including:

Disk Utility: Could not use disk utility to create new disk images- the app would just close
Mail: Would not indicate that it was trying to access my mail accounts
Installer: Would not recognize my hard drive so that I could install software from CD's or DVD's
BOMA and Stuffit Expander: Neither would allow me to unzip or expand files
Airport: Erratic behavior- wouldn't always allow me to connect to my Airport Express
Bluetooth: The icon disappeared from the menu bar until I deselected the option to show it and then reselected it.
iWorkNeither Pages nor Keynote would launch. They didn't open and crash, they just wouldn't launch at all.

There were other issues, but I forget what they were- the ones listed above were among the most significant and/or most annoying

So my solution was to back-up my home folders. Perform a clean install of Tiger. Reinstall all of my apps. Copy over my home folder files.

Since then, I have had no real issues except for the one I mentioned at the beginning of this post. I highly recommend clean installs for Tiger.

With Tiger now running, I can say that this is one hell of an OS. Dashboard is useful but not revolutionary. Automator is awesome and I'm just starting to scratch the surface of what it can do. Spotlight and Smart folders have completely changed how I organize myself.

I equate the changes that Tiger brings to the following analogy. It's like taking a house and renovating it by mostly leaving it's appearance alone but then taking the underlying foundation of the house and changing it so dramatically that every other part of the house benefits from the improvements. Maybe not a good analogy, but it makes sense in my crazy mind.

[andysmith]

Is there still a delay with the PowerBooks going to sleep? I heard that there was an approx. 30 second delay with 10.4.0, which sounded annoying.

Also, on waking from sleep, does it automagically reconnect to the wireless network it was attached to before sleep?

Cheers,
Rob
My PowerBook takes around 5-10 seconds from closing the screen, to the sleep light coming on... I think it was the same in Panther.

But it now takes at least 10 seconds to wake up properly - and the mouse is usually locked while that's happening. In Panther it was almost instant from opening the screen. It's just a minor annoyance really.

[xsnightclub]

I couldn't agree more.

And it's not the bugs, although the bugs annoy me. I assume Apple needed Tiger out for Wall Street reasons or for future products which depend on Tiger. (I'm not making excuses for Apple, but there has to be a reason since they had another couple of months until the public deadline.)

But what worries me is the lack of Apple Touch in the thinking behind Tiger.

Examples:

1. To isync in Tiger across multiple devices, you now go to three different apps, and they all must be open for "Sync Now" to work. This was not the case in Panther, and is the type of thinking that comes from Redmond

2. No way to delete (easily designed for my Mom) widgets

3. Syncing and .Mac integration flat out does not work. This is a keystone feature of Tiger and it simply does not work.

4. Quartz 2D. Again, one of the 200 new features, and it's shipped turned off.

The list goes on and on. And it makes me sad.

See, I love technology. And because of the oligopoly on the PC side of the house, Apple is all we've got for excitement. And if they can't deliver, there is nowhere really else to turn.

So I hope this was a fluke, or even better, Apple has some sick products coming soon which require Tiger.

And until then, let's hope .2 has the hundreds and hundreds of bug fixes Tiger desparately needs.

Example 1: Wrong. I can sync just fine with any or all of the apps closed.

Example 2: Wrong. Since widgets are in fact tiny apps, you go to where the app is and delete it from there, similar to deleting a regular app.

Example 3: Wrong. Works great here, actually works much better than it used too with more functionality.

Example 4: See attachment,

Soooo sad to see Apple is pandering to those wall street types, releasing software that works.

[thequicksilver]

Example 1: Wrong. I can sync just fine with any or all of the apps closed.

Example 2: Wrong. Since widgets are in fact tiny apps, you go to where the app is and delete it from there, similar to deleting a regular app.

Example 3: Wrong. Works great here, actually works much better than it used too with more functionality.

Example 4: See attachment,

Soooo sad to see Apple is pandering to those wall street types, releasing software that works.

You've 100% missed the point on three of these, I'm afraid. I'll offer my views:

1. The point though is that now you sync to .mac via System Preferences, to a mobile device via iSync and to your iPod via iTunes. What if you want to sync all three at any given point? It's three apps, whereas it used to be in one - iSync.

2. You're right that you can delete from the folder, but that isn't the point. It's similar to the iTunes scenario. If you want to remove a song from your iTunes library, you hit delete, and it asks you if you want to remove it from your computer, or just remove the playlist entry. Dashboard doesn't offer this - if you remove a widget from your disk the alias in the Dashboard dock doesn't leave unless relaunched. A simple way to remove widgets and their dock entries like iTunes is called for.

3. I won't say you're wrong, but this .mac thing is a widespread issue and a known bug. To call the original poster wrong because it doesn't affect you is a little short-sighted if I may say so.

4. Quartz Extreme is not the same as Quartz 2D Extreme. Do a little research into it, they're very different things. (For a start, the requirements for Q2DE are significantly higher than those for QE - my iBook for one supports the former, but not the latter.)

I found 10.4 from retail to be a fundamentally flawed OS, which if I was anything other than a hobbyist user in the middle of exams I would have immediately removed and put Panther back on. 10.4.1 is a step in the right direction, but it's still not what it should be.

[Applespider]

My Powerbook seems to wake up slightly faster - it's pretty much instantaneous.

I've just timed it - 3 seconds from lid close to sleep light coming on.
And 3 seconds back from pushing open to cursor flashing in this box. iChat reconnected within another 2 seconds.

[dernhelm]

Was it slow before? Do you mean the part after the screen comes on and it's trying to acquire an airport signal, or something else? I guess that part could be faster....

I was wondering that as well. At work, my airport reception is lower, and it takes a while before it recognizes the signal and activates networking. At home, networking is enabled before I can even get Safari up and going - it is super-fast. I'm a relatively new apple laptop owner (just got my PB17" a week or so ago), so I'm still learning the ins and outs of these machines, but I can say this for the PBs - their sleep function simply way outperforms the sleep of the previous wintel notebooks I've used (IBM, Dell). Startup is just about immediate. When I first tried it, I wasn't sure the machine had ever actually achieved a sleep state it was so fast starting up!

Also, there is almost no perceptible battery drain (on the dell I used, if I didn't have it plugged in by noon the next morning, the battery would be dead). The PB also stays very cool while both the dell and ibm laptops I used would still get a little warm even in sleep mode. I also like the throbing white-blue light telling me if it is _really_ asleep, no other notebook I've ever used had so nice an indicator.

[camomac]

Unfortunately, longhorn cattle are indigenous to neither the Serengeti, nor the Russian Taiga, nor the jungles of India, the three natural habitats for the world's tiger population. The only way a longhorn would come into contact with a tiger, and subsequently be torn to ribbons and devoured, is if the summer cattle drive goes past Mike Tyson's house.

Thanks that was funny as hell.

[mkrishnan]

I was wondering that as well. At work, my airport reception is lower, and it takes a while before it recognizes the signal and activates networking. At home, networking is enabled before I can even get Safari up and going - it is super-fast. I'm a relatively new apple laptop owner (just got my PB17" a week or so ago), so I'm still learning the ins and outs of these machines, but I can say this for the PBs - their sleep function simply way outperforms the sleep of the previous wintel notebooks I've used (IBM, Dell). Startup is just about immediate. When I first tried it, I wasn't sure the machine had ever actually achieved a sleep state it was so fast starting up!

Also, there is almost no perceptible battery drain (on the dell I used, if I didn't have it plugged in by noon the next morning, the battery would be dead). The PB also stays very cool while both the dell and ibm laptops I used would still get a little warm even in sleep mode. I also like the throbing white-blue light telling me if it is _really_ asleep, no other notebook I've ever used had so nice an indicator.

I think when I measured this once the drain rate was approximately 3% of total capacity per 10 hours. So yes, you can definitely leave it on sleep over a weekend without worry. Which to me, at least, more or less makes up for the lack of hibernation. I've heard that sleep is much more reliable on more recent Wintels with XP, but I haven't tried it personally. I basically never do anything else. I only reboot for install/maintenance and crashes/lockups (sadly, yes, I do get some).

With respect to the network acquisition, I find that WEP is slower than WPA, but I'm not sure if that's a real pattern, or not, because the only WPA I have is my AEBS. If Safari or Mail is up though, already on screen, for me, in either place, it usually doesn't acquire so quickly that I needn't wait a second or two to update / get new mail.... But still very fast to me. This is with 10.4.0 and with Panther....

LOL, I think I'm the only moron who's still waiting to upgrade to 10.4.1 because I've just seemingly gotten over Tiger instability. After not being able to get more than 2-3 days of uptime, I am now nearly at 6! :eek: :D I think I'll hold off till the weekend! :p

[monkeyman05]

Why are some people having lots of problems and others few or none at all? Frankly reading through this entire thread is enough to put off any potential switcher - Finder problems, software update crashing, unable to burn CD's (that ones a MAJOR problem i'd say) :eek: :eek:


(as i say this keep in mind i am not counting new machines that were just bought and people that don't hack their machines.) this is because most people that post more times than not have done some kind of third party upgrades and/or some kind of hack to their computer. Then they think that updating to the most recent will be ok. They don't realize that Apple puts out these updates to run and fix the problems that the normal everyday user would have. You would think these people would use a little common sense.

yeah i do think that this would turn away a potential user if they didn't know that.

[Bern]

What is this "Recovered Files" folder that keeps appearing in my Trash everytime I restart?

I emtyp the trash, but sure enough upon next restart it's there again and the contents are different (usually unimportant stuff).

[patrick0brien]

-10.4 broke my iSync and iCal in a unique way. iSynch has issues synching with my bluetooth phone - because at the close of the sync, iSync would report the 'Device is full". Then when I'd open iCal after that, a lot of my appointments would dissapear in front of my face.

10.4.1 still hasn't solved this.

[Plymouthbreezer]

What is this "Recovered Files" folder that keeps appearing in my Trash everytime I restart?

I emtyp the trash, but sure enough upon next restart it's there again and the contents are different (usually unimportant stuff).
Others are having this... Uh, issue (it's not really an issue though) too, including me. :eek:

[Jesus]

In my opinion this is a good bug-fixing update, the right-click dock magnification thing has gone, Finder has stabalised (no longer crashes my iMac every 30 mins), my iMac no longer crashes when I plug in my iPod, software update has been fixed, so it now sees updates, etc. IMHO, this is Apple having to pay for rushing through a gold master. Was 10.3.0 as unstable as 10.4.0? :rolleyes:

BTW, I had all these problems, and I did a Clear Install! :eek:

[hcuar]

Why are some people having lots of problems and others few or none at all? Frankly reading through this entire thread is enough to put off any potential switcher - Finder problems, software update crashing, unable to burn CD's (that ones a MAJOR problem i'd say) :eek: :eek:

My opinion is that people having most of the problems are those that have "hacks" and "tweaks" to the system when they try to archive and install / upgrade their system. I prefer to run a vanilla installation of OS X to alleviate these sorts of problems. The OS seems "fine" to me... I am having an annoying 1 second chirp in my PM... Apple knows about it, and is trying to fix Tiger to stop the crickets. :eek:

[shambolic]

What is this "Recovered Files" folder that keeps appearing in my Trash everytime I restart?

I emtyp the trash, but sure enough upon next restart it's there again and the contents are different (usually unimportant stuff).
My understanding is that this is a new Tiger feature - on shutdown, applications that don't properly clean up temp files themselves have these moved to the Recovered Files folder in the trash.

In my own case it always seems to be files related to Growl and/or NewsFire.

When I first saw this, I was concerned that Tiger was doing some sort of disk check (fsck) at bootup and that these were files recovered from damaged/corrupt disk sectors. (Like the lost+found directory found on other unix operating systems)

I'm reassured, however, as:
1) Types of file appearing there are too consistent from one boot to the next, indicating it's an application issue
2) Manual fsck shows no problems
3) Others are seeing the same thing

[Applespider]

What is this "Recovered Files" folder that keeps appearing in my Trash everytime I restart?

I emtyp the trash, but sure enough upon next restart it's there again and the contents are different (usually unimportant stuff).

I was curious about this. Apparently it's where OS X is dumping temporary files once they're finished with. If your system crashed, you may find some useful stuff in there for the files you were last working on. Don't worry about it.

[Kerry Sanders]

So, did you get your Mac with Tiger pre-installed? Or did you upgrade from Panther? Just curious to see if it's the upgrading that causes the most problems. I am going to wait until 10.4.2 I think.

I ordered a new dual 2.0 GHz Power Mac the day that Tiger came out, so when I got it, Tiger was already installed.

[cgc]

Mail 2.01 won't play a new mail notification sound anymore and Safari 2 RSS won't access my college home page (for online classes). Wonderful...

[mkrishnan]

Frankly reading through this entire thread is enough to put off any potential switcher...

This is a mac user community, not a cult. Do you really want people to stop talking about their software issues just so that other people will get Macs? Please..... :(

Some of the issues being discussed are related to ported-over library content. But they definitely all aren't. This is typical of an initial release of a new operating system from Apple or anyone else.

In my case, I had a total of two "hacks" in my Panther system -- Sidetrack, which I de-installed before upgrading, and httpmail for Mail.app, which I didn't (I didn't understand I could manually delete it, so I imported my saved mail and recreated my inboxes). Okay, so my bad on httpmail. But I did an archive and install without porting users, and I didn't transfer any application preferences over except the ones for Adium, and the profile folder for Firefox.

So unless every issue I have with Tiger is from those two sets of library files, then I don't think issues I've had with my computer should just be considered the pure result of my "bad behavior." :rolleyes:

If every issue I'm having is the pure result of importing Adium's preferences and my Firefox user profile, then shame on Apple!

Besides which, I have said all along that I expected this level of problematic performance from Tiger. I'm just trying to get help solving the issues I can solve.

[wrldwzrd89]

Mail 2.01 won't play a new mail notification sound anymore and Safari 2 RSS won't access my college home page (for online classes). Wonderful...
I'm getting intermittent failures of Mail 2.01 to play the new mail sound. Selecting the sound again from the preferences fixes it temporarily.

[MontyZ]

Why are some people having lots of problems and others few or none at all? Frankly reading through this entire thread is enough to put off any potential switcher - Finder problems, software update crashing, unable to burn CD's (that ones a MAJOR problem i'd say)
So, you've obviously never gone into a Windows user forum. Because if you had, you'd probably be afraid to sit down in front of your Windows computer.

[Max_Runk]

I got this thing with Tiger pre-installed. Everything was great except iPhoto kept crashing. Now it doesn't with the update. Guess they fixed that one. No other probs so far...but what do I know..it my 1st Mac. So far so good

[monkeyman05]

So, you've obviously never gone into a Windows user forum. Because if you had, you'd probably be afraid to sit down in front of your Windows computer.


VERY GOOD Point!

[greenfluke]

I understand that some of you are having issues with Tiger, but honestly, I have had no issues. Some wierd stuff with Safari that occasionally causes it to quit but definately not more issues than I have had with my windows XP at work. There I get frequent showstoppers that cause the entire OS to stop, like divide by zero errors and others that the OS should probably catch.

So far I know an entire mac graphic production house that has upgraded and had no trouble. I have three macs, an iMac G3 500, a G5 1.6 and a iBook G4 that I did a straight upgrade on with no issues, and I am running strange stuff like JRun, Tomcat, and JBoss on the same box, all starting at the same time with a couple of shell scripts that I tied to the login, so my setup isn't entirely standard.

All in all, it starts up faster than Panther, the finder is faster, and it has been much more reliable. Spotlight in save and open dialogs is sweet. I can network to PCs over wireless now without having the finder crap out on me. Apple has addressed all of my gripes with Panther in Tiger.

I think Apple has done a great job with this, I switched in 2001 and have no intention of going back even with the eternal lag of reasonable G5 upgrades.

If everyone here had to use a windows machine for a while, after a few complete system stop and endless reboot cycles with Service Pack 2, buggy graphics drivers, crazy network drivers, poor quality hardware from unreliable overseas vendors, you'd come home and kiss your Mac every day, minor bugs and all.

[seashellz]

>>So, you've obviously never gone into a Windows user forum. Because if you had, you'd probably be afraid to sit down in front of your Windows computer.
----

yeah, except that Macs are supposed to be BETTER than M$ boxes-not simply 'as good as' thats why Macs have the limited number of models write stuff for-at least Microsoft has an excuse-they have to make sure their software works on every motherboad under the sun-tricky maneuvering.
There is really no excuse for these flubs on first release-especially if Apple wants to become more than a 5% boutique OS-

[Montserrat]

OK guys, I can't get this one to show me my daily schedule. I thought it was a bug they'd fix with 10.4.1, but clicking on the days doesn't do anything except show me the date, which is nice, but...

Anyone show me a pic of it working and what you have to do to make it work?

Cheers

[CubaTBird]

anyone notice safari crashing for them more often since this update? it seems to for me a lot more often now.

[mkrishnan]

OK guys, I can't get this one to show me my daily schedule. I thought it was a bug they'd fix with 10.4.1, but clicking on the days doesn't do anything except show me the date, which is nice, but...

Anyone show me a pic of it working and what you have to do to make it work?

Cheers

It *doesn't* do it. :( And at least for the US website, Apple took that feature off the list of 200 new features in Tiger! :rolleyes: We were discussing it in the tiger bugs thread or the dashboard thread, I think. Someone pointed this widget out, which is not perfect, but to me is better than the Apple one:

http://www.benkazez.com/icalevents.php

[MontyZ]

yeah, except that Macs are supposed to be BETTER than M$ boxes-not simply 'as good as'
Well ... they are! No one is saying Macs are "as good as" Wintel boxes.

thats why Macs have the limited number of models write stuff for-at least Microsoft has an excuse-they have to make sure their software works on every motherboad under the sun-tricky maneuvering. There is really no excuse for these flubs on first release-especially if Apple wants to become more than a 5% boutique OS-
Every motherboard under the sun? Just how many are there? I think it's the other way around. Computer manufacturers have to be sure their boxes work with MS OS.

I agree that buggy software is bad, but, despite the posts of people having problems, two friends of mine who installed Tiger the day it was released have told me it's purring along just fine for them. Also, Apple has released a major OS version AND an update already. How much longer before Longhorn arrives??

[DrNeroCF]

Hm, says the video card drivers are updated. Anyone getting any performance enhancements? I saw a ton with Tiger, notsomuch with the update.

[MattG]

My Powerbook running 10.4.1 crashed three times last night, kernel panics.

I updated my Xserve to 10.4.1...while trying to reboot...kernel panic!!!!

Seems okay now, but I'm wondering if upgrading was a bad idea.

[Mac_Freak]

So far I have no problems with 10.4.1 update :)

I know this question is off topic but I can't find the answer anywhere else.
How can I share partitions/volumes of hard drive with Tiger. I can only connect to my home directory :(

[Lara F]

The upgrade couldn't have been smoother, I don't think it took more than 5 minutes or so to do. :) Very happy. In spite of the occasional annoying Safari beachballing and not being able to open *every* audio/video file I could on Windows, I'm pretty happy with the switch.

[jefhatfield]

...and neither will anyone else

an operating system, classified and compared to any mechanical machinery with thousands of parts in the book ,os x the missing manual, is subject to problems

and in any first version, that is bound to be magnified by not having the experience of hundreds of thousands of users working with it on a daily basis

no matter how good apple inc's r&d people are, they cannot find all the glitches of their product and have to rely on us consumers/users to help fine tune the os by defining day to day problems with the product

i am just getting used to working with os x having been an os 7, 8, and 9 user for many years and i can tell already that os x is more stable and problems that we can find now with it are not as bad as the days of old with the non os x operating systems

i wonder what apple will call os x when it has gone through the osx.9 version?

[Plymouthbreezer]

...i wonder what apple will call os x when it has gone through the osx.9 version?...
Most of us think there will be noe OS 10.9.x... 10.5 or 10.6 might be the last OS X update before OS 11 (or whatever they call it).

Still no issues with Tiger... All is very well over here on my 2+ year old G4.

[jefhatfield]

Most of us think there will be noe OS 10.9.x... 10.5 or 10.6 might be the last OS X update before OS 11 (or whatever they call it).

Still no issues with Tiger... All is very well over here on my 2+ year old G4.

os 11 or os XI just doesn't have the same ring

i also wonder what microsoft will call the next major operating system in their universe? their xp's aqua like graphics (far cry from windows 98 and windows 2000) and the use of an "x" in their xp product line could have been borrowed from a company near me in cupertino, don't you think?

[~Shard~]

not being able to open *every* audio/video file I could on Windows

What players are you using to play your files? iTunes should play all things audio, and as for video, there is nothing that VLC or MPlayer cannot handle, at least that I've run across. Just make sure you have the right divx codecs installed (3vix, etc.) and you should be able to play anything and everything no sweat!

[mkrishnan]

What players are you using to play your files? iTunes should play all things audio, and as for video, there is nothing that VLC or MPlayer cannot handle, at least that I've run across. Just make sure you have the right divx codecs installed (3vix, etc.) and you should be able to play anything and everything no sweat!

I think there is a WMP10 specific codec that is not available by any means on Macs, isn't there? :( And of course DRM'd WMA is pretty much out.

[~Shard~]

I think there is a WMP10 specific codec that is not available by any means on Macs, isn't there? :( And of course DRM'd WMA is pretty much out.

If so, I wans't aware of that, nor have I encountered any files (WMP or otherwise) that I couldn;t play on my Mac. Thanks for the head's up though... As for the WMA files, yah, I guess I wasn't thinking about playing those on a Mac, but why would you want to? ;)

[Hank_Reardon]

Just updated...so far no major OH DEAR GOD I'M ON FIRE!! DAMN YOU 10.4.1!! ARGH!!

LOL. That is really funny.

[Lara F]

My issues have been with some live streams (see this thread):
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=124934

Also some "WMV3" encoded videos. VLC gave me a message saying it couldn't read these, and no other programs (including MPlayer) will open them. I did a Google search and turned up a message board thread saying Macs weren't capable of decoding them.

But I'd say 95% of what I want works, and often looks much better on my Mac than my older PC laptop. :)

[andysmith]

My issues have been with some live streams (see this thread):
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=124934

Also some "WMV3" encoded videos. VLC gave me a message saying it couldn't read these, and no other programs (including MPlayer) will open them. I did a Google search and turned up a message board thread saying Macs weren't capable of decoding them.

But I'd say 95% of what I want works, and often looks much better on my Mac than my older PC laptop. :)
I use the Flip4Mac (http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/26423) player - it's a quicktime plugin that decodes WM9/WMV3, and it works great.
The trial version only plays half the video, but the full version is only $10 (£5.80).

[Lara F]

Sounds promising - I'll give it a try once the next version (fully Tiger & QT7 compatible) comes out, which apparently should be soon.

[mickhyperion]

Well, after reading this entire thread, I'm no closer to answering the question "Should I install Tiger yet now that 10.4.1 is out?" The posts in here range from - installing it has been the biggest mistake people have ever made - to others having no problems whatsoever.

It sucks.
It's great.
It ruined my system.
I love it.
I want to go back to Panther.
This is the best thing that ever happened to me.
I hate Apple.
I want Jobs to father my next child...

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!

Is there anywhere where a person can get some sort of CONSENSUS on whether this OS and it's latest update are worth taking the risk of installing? Or is the answer so subjective and affected by so many millions and billions of factors that the only way to know is to just buy it, install it, and essentially jump off the cliff to see what happens?

[SteveC]

Well, after reading this entire thread, I'm no closer to answering the question "Should I install Tiger yet now that 10.4.1 is out?" The posts in here range from - installing it has been the biggest mistake people have ever made - to others having no problems whatsoever.

It sucks.
It's great.
It ruined my system.
I love it.
I want to go back to Panther.
This is the best thing that ever happened to me.
I hate Apple.
I want Jobs to father my next child...

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!

Is there anywhere where a person can get some sort of CONSENSUS on whether this OS and it's latest update are worth taking the risk of installing? Or is the answer so subjective and affected by so many millions and billions of factors that the only way to know is to just buy it, install it, and essentially jump off the cliff to see what happens?
Answer: Tiger is fine. :) I've been running it with no problems using all the iLife and Office apps, Spotlight, Dashboard, and so on...

Only issue I encountered was when I was copying a file from my laptop and the network connection died due to the laptop powering off. That caused the Tiger finder to give me the beach ball. No biggie though. I relaunched the finder and all was well again. :)

ZERO other problems... Most of the problems being reported are not common things you'd run into. Most common features work perfect.

[SweetFeet]

I just installed 10.4.1, hit restart, and then the G5 just buzzes it's fans every 5 or 6 seconds. No HDD spinning, no power light, no nothing. This is on a 3-week old Dual 2.0.

VERY DISSAPOINTED!!! If I wanted this, I'd use a Gates machine.

[Mac_Freak]

I just installed 10.4.1, hit restart, and then the G5 just buzzes it's fans every 5 or 6 seconds. No HDD spinning, no power light, no nothing. This is on a 3-week old Dual 2.0.

VERY DISSAPOINTED!!! If I wanted this, I'd use a Gates machine.

You mean Gate's Dual G5s that run Xbox demos :D lol

[Dave Marsh]

First off, do you have a recent G3, G4, or G4 system with at least 512MB of memory and 3-5GB of free hard disk space? Are you running standard commercial applications, along with Apple's suite, or have you installed a bunch of system/finder modifying apps to customize your Mac in some non-standard way? Have you recently run Disk Utility to Repair Permissions to assure the upgrade will have complete access to all the files it needs to replace/patch?

I've installed Tiger on a new PowerBook, a five year old Sawtooth PowerMac G4 Tower running a Sonnet 1GHz accelerator, a two year old iMac G4 lampshade, and a recent model G4 iBook, with NO problems of any kind. However, before proceeding, I repaired permissions, ran Alsoft's Disk Warrior to assure the disk catalog was pristine, ran Norton Utilities (last time, since it's not being upgraded for Tiger) to check the directories and files, and Coriolis Systems iDefrag to assure Tiger writes to contiguous blocks (not skipping around writing partial files wherever it can). That's major anal and overkill, but I'm a conservative guy when it comes to my Macs...I want them running without a hitch, so that when something does go wrong I'll have a modicum of confidence it wasn't me outsmarting myself with some system haxies or corrupted files because I hadn't been doing routine system maintenance.

Most people won't go to this trouble, nor need to. Only you can answer the question about how standard your Mac system is. At the minimum, I'd suggest repairing permissions and uninstalling any system modifiers you may have installed. After the upgrade, you can attempt to reinstall them to see if they still work. I'd bet that 80% of the time, the user having a problem with the Tiger installation has either (a) never performed any system maintenance on his Mac, so his directory/file structure and permissions are not pristine, or (b) he has installed a bunch of system modifier goodies to add additional functionality that the previous system didn't have that conflict with the new operating system.

So that's it. Only you know whether you fall into any of these categories. Good luck when you take the plunge. :eek:

[mickhyperion]

First off, do you have a recent G3, G4, or G4 system with at least 512MB of memory and 3-5GB of free hard disk space? Are you running standard commercial applications, along with Apple's suite, or have you installed a bunch of system/finder modifying apps to customize your Mac in some non-standard way? Have you recently run Disk Utility to Repair Permissions to assure the upgrade will have complete access to all the files it needs to replace/patch?...

...Good luck when you take the plunge. :eek:
Well, here's the result of my Tiger nosedive... "There were errors installing the software. Please try installing again."

From the log: "BomFatalError - cpio read error: bad file format".

10.3.9 was running perfectly...flawlessly...effortlessly (why wasn't I satisfied with this?)
Firmware up to date.
No system modifiers.
Verified and re-verified permissions and disks. Nothing to repair.
First tried upgrade, then archive & install, finally erase & install with AppleCare on the phone.
Been through 2 DVD's (bought from a third party store) and a 3rd DVD on the way from Apple.
Tried the iPod route.
Tried installing onto both hard drives, including the one which never had an OS on it previously.
Removed third-party RAM, no luck.
Removed original Apple RAM, switched with third-party... no luck.
Unplugged all unnecessary peripherals, no luck.
Tried installing about 20 times now.
Even re-installing Panther comes up with errors now, but it works (with weird anomalies).
iLife now also produces errors on installation (only in Garageband, though).

I really couldn't have been more careful about approaching the installation without being insanely anal, and if that's what it takes to get an error-free install then something is rotten in Cupertino.

I'm up and running in Panther, though things aren't right. Waiting for DVD number 3 from Apple now before I proceed.


PowerMac G4 Dual 1Ghz; Mac OS X (10.3.9); 1.25Gb RAM

[LaMerVipere]

I just installed Tiger today and immediately upgraded to 10.4.1 before I even had time to open an application for the first time.

Working great so far! No errors to report. Windows Media Player won't stream content off the interweb anymore, but that's no big deal. Well...would be nice, but who cares, into the trash it went.

[Dave Marsh]

Hi Mick, I'm sorry to hear you're having so much trouble. Have you run the hardware tools disk that came with your Mac? What especially troubles me is that you're continuing to have problems after returning to Panther. That suggests the problem lies elsewhere. The hardware configuration in your signature sounds just fine. Do you have Disk Warrior 3.0.3 or Tech Tools Pro 4.0.4 to run on your hard disk? Do NOT use Symantec's Norton Utilities anymore...it's incompatible with Tiger (it will damage the file structure if run from Panther, and will not run from Tiger at all).

During the installation process the installer runs a test of the DVD first thing. Don't skip this step. It's supposed to verify the disk was mastered correctly. If it passed this step, your DVD is probably OK. What about your DVD reader itself? Have you had any problems with it in the past? It really sounds as if some hardware is misbehaving. Either something's amiss with the file structure on your hard drive (which TTP or DW should fix), or something's amiss with the DVD code trying to be executed due to misreading the DVD. Apple's Disk Utility is fine for permissions repair and simple disk repair, but misses a lot of the more serious issues.

That read error you reported AFTER you finished the installation and were running from the hard drive is VERY troubling. If your DVD installation finished without errors, it's unlikely something is wrong with your DVD reader itself, which focuses my concern on the underlying file/catalog structure on your hard disk itself. Did Tiger startup without errors after the installation completed successfully (it takes a couple of minutes the first time, thereafter it's much faster) or was that when you got the error? You need to bring some serious utility software to bear if you believe your DVD reader itself is OK, especially since you said you did a complete erase and reinstall of everything. Something fundamental is amiss, since an erase and reinstall should normally fix all the usual file structure stuff.

Keep us informed as you work to a solution. :(

[mickhyperion]

Hi Mick, I'm sorry to hear you're having so much trouble...
Thanks Dave! :)

Others are having the same problem here: http://discussions.info.apple.com/webx?13@747.ss3iaYyHYBr.0@.68ae0327/16

No, I haven't run any hardware tools yet...

The problems I'm now having with Panther are subtle ones (fonts, etc) and are due to it's installation also being incomplete, ending in the same error message "errors installing software" (not sure what the log said on that one).

I don't have Disk Warrior 3.0.3 or Tech Tools Pro 4.0.4 or Norton Utilities.

The DVD check was allowed to run three times with the first DVD I had, then again with the second one. The DVD checks just fine but AppleCare says that it's inner hub number shows it to be on their bad batch list. They're sending me a third one in either 5-7 days or overnight (according to the conflicting info I was given). I have even attempted putting the DVD disk image on my iPod and performing the installation from there, but I get the same error in the same place (about two thirds of the way through).

No previous DVD trouble.

I have ruled out the hard drive as being the problem since I can't seem to install on my second hard drive either without receiving the same error and incomplete installation.

The Tiger installation has never finished successfully. It did have errors. That's the whole problem. The message "There were errors installing the software. Please try installing again." came DURING installation, not after a complete finish.

Interestingly after the first couple of "Upgrade" attempts, I was able to start up in Tiger without errors at startup despite the error message during installation. Even upgraded to 10.4.1. I even let Spotlight index for a few hours, added some widgets, opened iPhoto and iTunes... and all was well. (This was after the initial "Upgrade" installation attempts, before getting AppleCare involved or doing an "Erase and Install.") But I noticed that I couldn't send email (receive worked) and I couldn't log into any secure sites or access the Itunes Music Store. My entire Keychain utility app was missing. I decided that since the installation did not complete properly that I should attempt it again. When it failed again, I got AppleCare involved. Since then, after all the "Erase and Install" attempts, I am unable to restart in Tiger. It has been since giving up on Tiger that I've attempted to put Panther back. I received the same error during installation as with Tiger. Panther has started up however so I am limping through. iLife has now also given me an error during installation.