Final Cut Pro Studio Now Shipping

[MacRumors]

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Various reader reports state that early orders for Final Cut Pro Studio began being shipped out yesterday. Previous expected ship dates were estimated at early to mid-June. The new suite of applications, announced (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2005/04/20050417153716.shtml) April 17 at NAB 2005, include Final Cut Pro 5, Motion 2, SoundTrack Pro, and DVD Studio Pro 4 and retails for $1299 ($699 Edu.).

[cr2sh]

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Various reader reports state that early orders for Final Cut Pro Studio began being shipped out yesterday. Previous expected ship dates were estimated at early to mid-June. The new suite of applications, announced (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2005/04/20050417153716.shtml) April 17 at NAB 2005, include Final Cut Pro 5, Motion 2, SoundTrack Pro, and DVD Studio Pro 4 and retails for $1299 ($699 Edu.).

At least Apple ships something sooner than expected.

[Sharewaredemon]

At least Apple ships something sooner than expected.


If only I could afford it......

[~Shard~]

This is a pleasant surprise. Maybe Apple wanted this out in time for D for some reason (not sure why, but who knows...)

Although it's still fairly pricey, it's definitely a good deal for someone looking for all the tools.

[jelloshotsrule]

this is good news. i had seen earlier after the announcement that it said "shipping in may" on apple's site, so didn't understand why my order said june 15th, but figured that was a late estimate... glad to see that should be the case

though my order still says june 15

[machan]

My order for the upgrade from the Production Suite still (and has from the day I ordered it) says shipping on or before 5/31. Would be nice to get it next week now that 10.4.1 is out, though.

[kwajo.com]

Although it's still fairly pricey, it's definitely a good deal for someone looking for all the tools.

still fairly pricey? FCP has always been the best deal in pro video by a large margin.


anyway, I'm happy it's out early, maybe I'll grab a copy soon, or at least of Motion 2

[Mr. Anderson]

excellent - once I finish my current project in a week, I'm going to order this. I'm really looking forward to getting Motion (upgrade from FCP HD).

D

[hkhaskell]

...my graphics card and add more memory. My current box has the 9600XT in it, which is just not quite enough to run Motion smoothly. I'm sure that Motion 2 will crave even more juice. :D

The X800 is looking really good. I especially like the fact that it only takes up one slot and doesn't hog the adjacent space. The best deal I was able to find on it was here: ATI X800 (http://newsite.pagecomputers.com/store/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=Video+Cards+%26+Adapters&category%5Fname=33g33c201s1002&product%5Fid=702864).

Memory is fortunately much cheaper. I'll be adding another 2GB this coming week. If someone has figured out how to convince their wife that a fast graphics card is somehow a crucial thing to include in the budget, please let me know. :)

[jocknerd]

I work for a city government. I can purchase it for work for $499 but if I want to purchase it with my government employee discount outside of work, it costs me $1099. I'm going to try and get it for the same price as my employer. If not, I might have to sign up for a class at my community college and then get the educational discount price. I want this bad!

[miketcool]

mmmm, education discount. Doesn't get any sweeter then that!

[Sharewaredemon]

mmmm, education discount. Doesn't get any sweeter then that!


You're very very right.

[mangoarts]

FINAL CUT STUDIO UPGRADE FROM FCP-INT
Shipped
1 Shipped 05/16/2005
Invoice No. : XXXXXXXXX
Carrier : FED EX GROUND


Scheduled to arrive 5/18/05


Paul

[ipacmm]

It’s nice to see that it is shipping...but now I only need a new Mac before I can buy the it.

[twentyeight7]

the reason this item is shipping now is because 10.4.1 was just released which is a requirement (i dont see it on the apple site but i remember reading it before)

[Mr. Anderson]

I'm hoping some of the issues with Motion are fixed so that it runs more smoothly and renders faster.

D

[Porchland]

It's nice to see everything coming together for Tiger. Getting all the users of the newest version of FCP onto 10.4.1 will be a big boost for Apple's pro community.

I'm still holding back from Tiger for an "all clear" on operating in a SBS 2003 environment and with VPC for Mac before I Tiger up. (We still use TerdPerfect for some things.)

[SweetFeet]

Got an e-mail this morning that my edu-priced FCSuite will be delivered via FedEx Ground tomorrow, the 18th.

Interestingly, when I went to the Tiger Release Party, they had ONE retail FCSuite available, but they wouldn't give it to me for the edu price.

[jelloshotsrule]

FINAL CUT STUDIO UPGRADE FROM FCP-INT
Shipped
1 Shipped 05/16/2005
Invoice No. : XXXXXXXXX
Carrier : FED EX GROUND


Scheduled to arrive 5/18/05


Paul

just curious. when did it previously say it would ship?

[saunders45]

Oh, wow... I was right. I knew this almost 1 month ago. Of course, It didn't even get put on page 2 when i submitted it, but whatever. :rolleyes:

[sigamy]

OK, as soon as one of you get it please post some benchmarks on DVDSP's distributed encoding. What types of gains will I see if I add a 1Ghz iBook to my 1Ghz iMac?

[plastique45]

This is a pleasant surprise. Maybe Apple wanted this out in time for D for some reason (not sure why, but who knows...)

Although it's still fairly pricey, it's definitely a good deal for someone looking for all the tools.

Dude, Avid media Composer cost $200,000! FCP started a revolution. It allowed Walter Murch to edit Cold Mountain on 3 PowerMacs and 2 PowerBooks for a fraction of what ONE Avid station would have cost!

[mangoarts]

just curious. when did it previously say it would ship?


Originally it said the end of this month.

Paul

[tny]

It's nice to see everything coming together for Tiger. Getting all the users of the newest version of FCP onto 10.4.1 will be a big boost for Apple's pro community.

I'm still holding back from Tiger for an "all clear" on operating in a SBS 2003 environment and with VPC for Mac before I Tiger up. (We still use TerdPerfect for some things.)

Try NeoOffice/J on OS X with WordPerfect docs. So far I've had a lot more success with that than with WordPerfect for Mac.

[swissmann]

Mine still says before 6/15. I placed an order a while ago and then updated my credit card so had to replace an order a couple of days ago. I hope they all ship quickly. Mine is the Upgrade from the previous suite by the way.

[mangoarts]

Dude, Avid media Composer cost $200,000! FCP started a revolution. It allowed Walter Murch to edit Cold Mountain on 3 PowerMacs and 2 PowerBooks for a fraction of what ONE Avid station would have cost!


Version 5 of Avid Media Composer was $120K. Now the Adrenalin HD is 25k to 40k depending on upgrades. But, you are correct that the reason people are migrating to FCP is price and portability. Xsan and FCP 5 is going to make it hard for Avid to justify these prices, even with a better product. Another reason companies are switching is Avid has been a complete ass over the years. They never listen to the end user and EVERYTHING is propriety driven. I own both but I can't wait to ditch my Avid.

Paul

[shemp9999]

Version 5 of Avid Media Composer was $120K. Now the Adrenalin HD is 25k to 40k depending on upgrades. But, you are correct that the reason people are migrating to FCP is price and portability. Xsan and FCP 5 is going to make it hard for Avid to justify these prices, even with a better product. Another reason companies are switching is Avid has been a complete ass over the years. They never listen to the end user and EVERYTHING is propriety driven. I own both but I can't wait to ditch my Avid.

Paul

ya, but avid express pro is only slightly more expensive than FCp, and it uses existing Unity (SAN) and OMF media files. that's one reason our editors are now looking to stay with avid - and we've done a lot of work with apple to make a go of it with FCp for 24fps animated feature work. they're getting there, but avid is there.

[bbyrdhouse]

Try NeoOffice/J on OS X with WordPerfect docs. So far I've had a lot more success with that than with WordPerfect for Mac.

NeoOffice/J is slooow.

[mangoarts]

ya, but avid express pro is only slightly more expensive than FCp, and it uses existing Unity (SAN) and OMF media files. that's one reason our editors are now looking to stay with avid - and we've done a lot of work with apple to make a go of it with FCp for 24fps animated feature work. they're getting there, but avid is there.


A very specialized field. 24p feature animation. Pixar? Sony? Dreamworks? I would guess that the ATI x800 just isn't going to cut it.

Avid on the PC is better. What touble are you talking about with FCP? Have you used FCP with Shake? I could see that being a strong tool for final composites. My point is that FPC is not there but is very quickly catching up and not only in editing. Much cheaper than Discreet Logic. Although they now have Toxic. I digress. :D

Paul

[jelloshotsrule]

my order for both an upgrade from fcp, and a full version both shipped today, despite being listed as before or on 6/15/05 until now. it was ordered somewhere in early may.

both to arrive tomorrow! i'd expect most people will get them at the same time. seems like 10.4.1 was what the wait was all about

[Eniregnat]

I can't afford it, but I am looking forward to working with it at a friends house on their new dual 2.0.

[itsa]

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Various reader reports state that early orders for Final Cut Pro Studio began being shipped out yesterday. Previous expected ship dates were estimated at early to mid-June. The new suite of applications, announced (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2005/04/20050417153716.shtml) April 17 at NAB 2005, include Final Cut Pro 5, Motion 2, SoundTrack Pro, and DVD Studio Pro 4 and retails for $1299 ($699 Edu.).

Yes I ordered mine about 9:30pm lastnight when I saw it was shipping.

[xgad]

The box is huge... Lots of manuals :)

[jelloshotsrule]

The box is huge... Lots of manuals :)

i noticed it was 21 lbs! that's nearly an imac!

what's the install like? how many discs?

[xgad]

Install totals 30GB and takes about 55 minutes.
Apple recommends doing a software update before installing.
I noticed DVD Player 4.6 is also now available in the software updates as well.

7 Discs plus 2 for the tutorials

[artpease]

mmmm, education discount. Doesn't get any sweeter then that!
Except that you're only renting it until the next upgrade...Academic version is not upgradeable and you end up buying the full version eventually and loosing the rent you paid on academic. IMO, academic plus full is more expensive than full plus upgrade...seems like there should be some break for being a student learning a product you may use the rest of your career, not more expensive... :(

[Phat_Pat]

Got Mine

7 DVD's to install :eek: :eek:

jeez this auta take awhile...... one thing that does puzzle me is i can't find the Quicktime Pro key......

[shemp9999]

A very specialized field. 24p feature animation. Pixar? Sony? Dreamworks? I would guess that the ATI x800 just isn't going to cut it.

Avid on the PC is better. What touble are you talking about with FCP? Have you used FCP with Shake? I could see that being a strong tool for final composites. My point is that FPC is not there but is very quickly catching up and not only in editing. Much cheaper than Discreet Logic. Although they now have Toxic. I digress. :D

Paul

the first one. ;)

FCp 4.5 had lots of trouble cutting reels. rather large delays in the interface after 4,000 objects or so. the version 5 betas fixed a lot of those problems, but avid express pro was released in the meantime, so the momentum shifted. it's kind of a devil-you-know vs. devil-you-don't-know situation.

we're not currently using motion, so the video card isn't that important to us. i often use shake (mostly on the comandline via scripts) for deliveries/conversions/slating, but all the production work is done on linux boxes.

[xgad]

Got Mine

7 DVD's to install :eek: :eek:

jeez this auta take awhile...... one thing that does puzzle me is i can't find the Quicktime Pro key......


Final Cut Pro now unlocks Quicktime pro 7 automatically for you. No separate Serial Number is needed.

[Mr. Anderson]

Final Cut Pro now unlocks Quicktime pro 7 automatically for you. No separate Serial Number is needed.

That's a nice change - although minor. But 7 DVDs? How much of that is apps and how much is content?

D

[bishopduke]

!

[HAViK]

DVD Player 4.6 delivers added support for DVD Studio Pro 4 authored HD DVDs. It is recommended for all users of DVD Player.

Key Updates include:

Additional support for playing DSP 4 authored HD DVD folders from DVD discs and hard drives.
Additional support of discs with both SD and DSP 4 authored HD content.
Improved Global Player settings.
Improved usage for last play and disc info dialogs.


.... HD DVDs! Holy poop.

[midiman]

Except that you're only renting it until the next upgrade...Academic version is not upgradeable and you end up buying the full version eventually and loosing the rent you paid on academic. IMO, academic plus full is more expensive than full plus upgrade...seems like there should be some break for being a student learning a product you may use the rest of your career, not more expensive... :(

I think you're mistaken. I've upgraded several academic versions of apple products - FCP2-3-4, and just recently, the academic version of logic pro 6 to retail 7. You just have to purchase the retail version, and it will upgrade the academic version. There is really no difference between academic and retail, other than the splash screen and licensing agreement.

[swissmann]

It was a little bit late in the day but mine is shipping as well. Now I just need to clean off all of my projects so that I can do an update without messing up something.

[Phat_Pat]

That's a nice change - although minor. But 7 DVDs? How much of that is apps and how much is content?

D
My install took 20 GB and about 1 hour to install.

There is 3 Content DVD's, Motion, Soundtrack, DVD SP, and Studio Install (Installer) And Two tutorial Discs


The Quicktime to QTPro was a nice little feature.

Soundtrack Pro is very nice looking :)

[vibinc]

Apple site now says shipping 1-2 days. Guess I need to order now.

- vibinc

[dirteemac2]

Dude, Avid media Composer cost $200,000! FCP started a revolution. It allowed Walter Murch to edit Cold Mountain on 3 PowerMacs and 2 PowerBooks for a fraction of what ONE Avid station would have cost!

The current version of media composer, adrenalne, costs around $25,000. Putting together a final cut pro editing bay suitable for use on a feature film costs pretty close to that, not only that but even though fcp 4 was out at the time, they had to use fcp 3, because 4 was too buggy. I prefer to listen to the facts, rather than apple's clever marketing, and cold mountain was a horrible movie too.

[Lacero]

I just ordered it tonight. I'm very excited about it. I'm interested in knowing if anyone has any hands on experience with it yet. It seems like lately Apple has been releasing software with some initial bugs and that makes me nervous.

[bigandy]

now all i need is to be able to afford it. at least i get the EDU price :)

but then need a dual 2.7ghz PMG5 with 8gb ram :rolleyes:

the 1.25ghz PBG4 with 2gb isn't quite enough :rolleyes:

[Chupa Chupa]

I think you're mistaken. I've upgraded several academic versions of apple products - FCP2-3-4, and just recently, the academic version of logic pro 6 to retail 7. You just have to purchase the retail version, and it will upgrade the academic version. There is really no difference between academic and retail, other than the splash screen and licensing agreement.


I know FCP academic at least used to be upgradable, but I thought I read somewhere that Motion Academic IS NOT upgradable. Can anyone refute or confirm this?

[artpease]

I think you're mistaken. I've upgraded several academic versions of apple products - FCP2-3-4, and just recently, the academic version of logic pro 6 to retail 7. You just have to purchase the retail version, and it will upgrade the academic version. There is really no difference between academic and retail, other than the splash screen and licensing agreement.
With the "retail version" upgrade?

My daughter, a junior in collage, has Academic Production Suite (4.5). Can she upgrade to Final Cut Studio with the retail upgrade?

This certainly indicates she can't:
http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/topquestions.html
"Educational and Not-for-resale (NFR) versions do not qualify for upgrades"

It would be expensive if she opened the box and it wouldn't install!

[EANx]

Do they have them in stock at the Apple store yet?

[pdpfilms]

Do they have them in stock at the Apple store yet?

The online store says 1-2 days shipping, so I'd bet most Apple stores have been stocked.

[Performa]

My order for the upgrade from the Production Suite still (and has from the day I ordered it) says shipping on or before 5/31. Would be nice to get it next week now that 10.4.1 is out, though.

It didn't get delivered yesterday, 5/17...but the tracking information says it is in my city and looks like it is on truck for delivery. Should be any minute now.

[Performa]

still fairly pricey? FCP has always been the best deal in pro video by a large margin.


anyway, I'm happy it's out early, maybe I'll grab a copy soon, or at least of Motion 2


The normal upgrade price from FCP 4.5 to 5.0 is $399. On the Apple "Government Employee Store", you can upgrade from FCP 4.5 to the full Production Suite for $580, and you get the other 3 Applications thrown in for $181 above the normal upgrade price for FCP alone. Not bad.

The Educational Store's price to upgrade from FCP to Prod. Suite is $699. (having a government job paid off for me!)

I'll have a pretty powerful toolkit for a hobbyist, huh?

[Rod Rod]

The current version of media composer, adrenalne, costs around $25,000. Putting together a final cut pro editing bay suitable for use on a feature film costs pretty close to that, not only that but even though fcp 4 was out at the time, they had to use fcp 3, because 4 was too buggy. I prefer to listen to the facts, rather than apple's clever marketing, and cold mountain was a horrible movie too.
As long as you're listening to facts, you should get your own facts in order.

Murch and his team used FCP 3 on Cold Mountain because there was no SAN solution on OS X. They had to run FCP on OS 9, so the obvious answer was FCP 3. The only "bug" involved with their decision to go with FCP 3 on OS 9 was not bugginess in FCP 4, but rather the lack of SAN support in FCP and OS X at the time.

Anyway, your first sentence defies logic. For $25,000 you can build a pretty fully outfitted HD uncompressed 10-bit FCP system, including all hardware and software. $25,000 only buys the software on the Adrenaline / Avid side. Adding hardware (RAIDs, CPU, broadcast monitor, PCI cards, i/o boxes and so on) can easily add up to another $20,000-plus.

I'll have a pretty powerful toolkit for a hobbyist, huh?
I'd say so! :)

[Performa]

I know FCP academic at least used to be upgradable, but I thought I read somewhere that Motion Academic IS NOT upgradable. Can anyone refute or confirm this?


The Apple Gov. Store says "Upgrade from FCP to Prod. Suite - $580" I ordered it and it arrives today. I hope that the other 3 apps are not upgrades, but full versions or else I will be in trouble. Since it says "Upgrade from FCP to Prod. Suite" it appears that all you had to own previously was FCP.

The Educational Store charges $699 for the same upgrade. Not sure why Government is so much cheaper, but I'm glad since I am a Gov employee.

I'm just a hobbyist, so I sure wouldn't pay over $1000 for all those apps, but for an extra $180, why not try them out?

[jmgriff100]

Has anyone in the UK received confirmation that their Final Cut Studio order has shipped? Mine still says "on or before 1st June 05" and the UK Apple Online Store is still quoting 4-6 weeks for delivery. :confused:

[pdpfilms]

Just recieved mine.... It's flipping huge!!!

And I'm usually big fan of apple packaging, but they got way overzealous on this one....
Inital shipping box, about 2 feet long, one foot wide, and one foot tall.
Crumpled paper padding, smaler cardboard box within.
Inside the smaller box, yet another smaller cardboard box.
Within that brown box, the FCStudio Box. Take the outer sheating off the box, and you get the down-to-the-bones FCStudio box.
Open that sucker up, and there are yet two more half-boxes holding manuals and install discs.
If I counted correctly, that's at least seven individual pieces of cardboard in order to ship a single square item.
With that past us, I can't wait to get this all installed!! Soundtrack Pro sounds so amazing witht the new features... And Motion 2.... I'm jittery! Now, hopefully it plays nice with my existing FCP4.5 work...

[kingconsulting]

As long as you're listening to facts, you should get your own facts in order.

Murch and his team used FCP 3 on Cold Mountain because there was no SAN solution on OS X. They had to run FCP on OS 9, so the obvious answer was FCP 3. The only "bug" involved with their decision to go with FCP 3 on OS 9 was not bugginess in FCP 4, but rather the lack of SAN support in FCP and OS X at the time.

Anyway, your first sentence defies logic. For $25,000 you can build a pretty fully outfitted HD uncompressed 10-bit FCP system, including all hardware and software. $25,000 only buys the software on the Adrenaline / Avid side. Adding hardware (RAIDs, CPU, broadcast monitor, PCI cards, i/o boxes and so on) can easily add up to another $20,000-plus.



Thanks for pointing out the FACTS so I didn't have too! Also an Avid system at the time of editing the movie wasn't 25k. He purchased 4 editing systems for the price of what one Avid system would have cost. Plus version 4 didn't come out until they were pretty far into production. Most people wouldn't change operating systems AND a new version of software right in the middle of production.

[NickFalk]

Putting together a final cut pro editing bay suitable for use on a feature film costs pretty close to that, not only that but even though fcp 4 was out at the time, they had to use fcp 3, because 4 was too buggy. I prefer to listen to the facts, rather than apple's clever marketing, and cold mountain was a horrible movie too.

Fact 1: Apple actually recomended against Murtch using FCP for the project, they weren't entirely sure it was up for the task yet.

Fact 2: FCP 4 was still in beta, and Apple rejected Murtch's plea to get his hand on this.

The quality of the movie is of course a fairly subjective view, but it did pick up a nomination for "best editing" from the Academy...

Read "Behind the Seen" it goes into great detail about the frustrations as well as benefits of using FCP rather than Avid. Heck, Minghella even comments on the lack of official Apple support in the introduction...

[RAS admin]

Got my 20lbs. FCP Studio package!
Installing now...
9 DVD's including 2 training

[machan]

i'm starting to get ticked off now that everyone is getting their's delivered. i ordered it the day after it was announced and my order still shows as being delivered on or before 5/31. what gives? it's the upgrade from the production suite, so i don't know if that is holding it up at all.

for the people who got theirs already, did you order the full version of FCStudio or the Production Suite upgrade version?

[jelloshotsrule]

mine should've arrived today.

one full fc studio. and one upgrade from fcp.... not sure if the upgrade from fcp is different from upgrade from production suite... hope your ships soon!

[remingtonhill]

This is a pleasant surprise. Maybe Apple wanted this out in time for D for some reason (not sure why, but who knows...)

Although it's still fairly pricey, it's definitely a good deal for someone looking for all the tools.

Perhaps in time for the G5 Powerbooks?

[Ozric]

[QUOTE=pdpfilms]Just recieved mine.... It's flipping huge!!!

And I'm usually big fan of apple packaging, but they got way overzealous on this one....
Inital shipping box, about 2 feet long, one foot wide, and one foot tall.
Crumpled paper padding, smaler cardboard box within.



Mine had some nice black foam on top and bottom, easily reusable in an equipment case! What an added bonus.

[RAS admin]

I had a web order for the Upgrade from FCP saved on my account, but not placed. I called on May 11th to ask a few questions before submitting my order and the quy asked if I wanted to place my order. I said no, because I had a web order saved. He told me that if I ordered right now on the phone I would receive it quicker. So I did...
I'm not sure if it really makes a difference or not. He was probably just saying that...

[midiman]

With the "retail version" upgrade?

My daughter, a junior in collage, has Academic Production Suite (4.5). Can she upgrade to Final Cut Studio with the retail upgrade?

This certainly indicates she can't:
http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/topquestions.html
"Educational and Not-for-resale (NFR) versions do not qualify for upgrades"

It would be expensive if she opened the box and it wouldn't install!

I don't know about studio, but fcp 4 retail upgraded my fcp3 academic just fine.

[Phat_Pat]

Mine had some nice black foam on top and bottom, easily reusable in an equipment case! What an added bonus.
Yeah same here.

[Zigster]

T :) his is the best product Apple makes, hardware or softare.

[guerro]

Final Cut Pro Studio ????? or is it Final Cut Studio ? ? ? ??? ??

[Phat_Pat]

Final Cut Pro Studio ????? or is it Final Cut Studio ? ? ? ??? ??
Its called Final Cut Studio

But

Includes

Final Cut Pro 5.0

Motion 2.0

Soundtrack Pro

DVD Studio Pro


Thats alot o' pros ;)

[SPUY767]

This is a pleasant surprise. Maybe Apple wanted this out in time for D for some reason (not sure why, but who knows...)

Although it's still fairly pricey, it's definitely a good deal for someone looking for all the tools.

FCP Studio is not expensive, in fact, this is the deal of the century.

[oskar]

The main Apple page shows Final Cut Studio "Now Shipping". No one seems to be making a big deal about this or FCS for that matter. Strange... I thought people would be looking forward to this major upgrade for all the pro apps. I am. :D

[Nicky G]

The main Apple page shows Final Cut Studio "Now Shipping". No one seems to be making a big deal about this or FCS for that matter. Strange... I thought people would be looking forward to this major upgrade for all the pro apps. I am. :D

It is HUGE -- but not for the average reader of Macrumors. :)

SOMEONE PLEASE tell me if you can use the serials for three older products purchased separately -- FCP, DVDSP, and Motion -- for an upgrade version _from Production Bundle_ to the full Studio. AND, if so, do the versions have to be the most recent (pre-Studio), or can it be, like, FCPHD and DVDSP 2 and Motion, or DVDSP3 and FCP3 and Motion, or whatnot.

[Chupa Chupa]

It is HUGE -- but not for the average reader of Macrumors. :)

SOMEONE PLEASE tell me if you can use the serials for three older products purchased separately -- FCP, DVDSP, and Motion -- for an upgrade version _from Production Bundle_ to the full Studio. AND, if so, do the versions have to be the most recent (pre-Studio), or can it be, like, FCPHD and DVDSP 2 and Motion, or DVDSP3 and FCP3 and Motion, or whatnot.


There is a post on the 2pop site from a guy in Canada that called Apple and was told the three products don't have to be the previous version. However, Apple's site clearly states the products must be the previous version. I think I'd go with the web site over what a sales person says seeing how you can't return open software.

[machan]

finally. got notice from apple that my Production Suite to FCStudio Upgrade has shipped out of memphis. should show up on monday. i had read on 2-pop that other people with the same specific upgrade were still waiting til today as well. wonder why the difference in shipping times between this one and the FCP to FCStudio upgrade, though. anyway, phew!

[crpchristian]

Got my copy today (actually cames yesterday but had to sign), installed into a dual 2.3 tiger, ati x800, 2.5 gig ram and this version is the FCP UPGRADE vesion, installed all 20+ gigs of material off of a lot of discs, runnning smoth across teh board, yipee.

[lboyce]

Question: Can I use my educationally discounted software for commercial or profit use? I'm a student but I also do multimedia design as a side business. I was wondering if I can do that legally?

[machan]

Question: Can I use my educationally discounted software for commercial or profit use? I'm a student but I also do multimedia design as a side business. I was wondering if I can do that legally?

legally, no.

[itsa]

legally, no.

Why not?

[lboyce]

Why not?

Yeah...I can't find anything anywhere on the internet relating to this and saying that you can't do it. Apple and Adobe both have the most important educationally discounted software and neither of them address this question even remotely anywhere on their sites or anything.

[fener]

Yeah...I can't find anything anywhere on the internet relating to this and saying that you can't do it. Apple and Adobe both have the most important educationally discounted software and neither of them address this question even remotely anywhere on their sites or anything.


Yes you can.

Education discount just is a special pricing for education, like as for government. This question is like asking:

Can US government use their government pricing/discount for political business?

or

Can Yale use their software to research a new form of DNA and sell their data?

Answer to both questions is YES. Go ahead and use it.

[Donald V]

I just picked up my copy of Final Cut Studio from the Arizona State computing store...It was $499 plus tax...much better than on the apple store edu discount....installing it now!

Donald :)

[Nicky G]

Yes you can.

Education discount just is a special pricing for education, like as for government. This question is like asking:

Can US government use their government pricing/discount for political business?

or

Can Yale use their software to research a new form of DNA and sell their data?

Answer to both questions is YES. Go ahead and use it.

Read the license agreement -- EDU copies are NOT to be used for for-profit projects, from what I remember.

[Orlando Furioso]

Read the license agreement -- EDU copies are NOT to be used for for-profit projects, from what I remember.


You are correct Nicky. I thought I was the only one who actually read license agreements.


btw... "bzzzzzzzt" for the title, hilarious.

[lboyce]

Okay, so I checked the Adobe CS license agreement and under article 14 it says as far as academic versions as long as you acquire it legitemately (you're an actual teacher or student) than you are free to use it however you want.

Don't know about apple software though.

[itsa]

If you sell it to a school and they teach someone how to use it and charge them for teaching them.... is that not making a profit?


The only way they could hold someone to that is if they let them know up front before they ordered it.
My understanding is, there is no differents other than the price.

[wileypen]

I just picked up my copy of Final Cut Studio from the Arizona State computing store...It was $499 plus tax...much better than on the apple store edu discount....installing it now!

All right, who wants to tell this guy that he just bought the "upgrade from production suite" version, and he won't be able to install it? (Or return it, since he just opened the box?) ;)

[LethalWolfe]

If you sell it to a school and they teach someone how to use it and charge them for teaching them.... is that not making a profit?
:rolleyes:
As others have said. The Edu license agreement Apple has does not allow the to use FCP to cut commercial projects.

My understanding is, there is no differents other than the price.

Price, license agreement and upgrade path.


Lethal

[itsa]

All right, who wants to tell this guy that he just bought the "upgrade from production suite" version, and he won't be able to install it? (Or return it, since he just opened the box?) ;)

I did not want to be the bearer of bad news. :)

[jelloshotsrule]

All right, who wants to tell this guy that he just bought the "upgrade from production suite" version, and he won't be able to install it? (Or return it, since he just opened the box?) ;)

not necessarily. a lot of schools offer prices lower than the normal apple edu discount on particular software..

[James Craner]

Anyone know if they have started to ship in the UK yet. I ordered my copy today, but still quoting 3/4 weeks when I placed order (still waiting confirmation)

[japanmoran]

Dang, ordered it a week ago and was supposed to ship out in 1-2 bidness days. Now listed as 5/31.

Crap.

[Lacero]

Wow. FCP 5 has quite a few bugs. A lot of them has to do with editing HDV. Although I must say, Compressor 2 is the bomb! I love the revamped interface and integrated a.pack encoder.

[Rod Rod]

Wow. FCP 5 has quite a few bugs. A lot of them has to do with editing HDV. Although I must say, Compressor 2 is the bomb! I love the revamped interface and integrated a.pack encoder.
Thanks for the heads-up. Apparently no dot-0 FCP release has been adequately useable since version 2.0. Hopefully it won't be too long before it's updated to 5.0.1 or 5.1.

I have a two-hour travel movie shot in HDV that I've cut (using FCP 4.5) in OfflineRT and matched up timecode with the original tape, just waiting to be reconnected to HDV with FCP 5's media manager.

Does FCP 5 recognize HDV timecode? If not I'll be back to a mostly manual process.

[itsa]

Anyone know if they have started to ship in the UK yet. I ordered my copy today, but still quoting 3/4 weeks when I placed order (still waiting confirmation)

Like everything with The Apple Store there is a big delay. Most orders in the US have been pushed back until mid June.

[itsa]

Wow. FCP 5 has quite a few bugs. A lot of them has to do with editing HDV. Although I must say, Compressor 2 is the bomb! I love the revamped interface and integrated a.pack encoder.

That's not good at all. What's it doing?

[itsa]

Dang, ordered it a week ago and was supposed to ship out in 1-2 bidness days. Now listed as 5/31.

Crap.

I had my ship date pushed back two times now. I had mine pre-ordered too.

[James Craner]

Like everything with The Apple Store there is a big delay. Most orders in the US have been pushed back until mid June.

Good news (for me at least). When I placed order on Tuesday last week it said 3/4 weeks but I actually received it on Friday. Hopefully everyone will get their copy soon.

[creativeczar]

I am interested in upgrading to FCP Studio 5.0. The original disk I have is FCP 3.0 Academic. I had no problem upgrading to 4.0 but want to be sure I can use the upgrade version of FCP Studio. Has anyone upgraded from the Academic 3.0 version?
Thanks

[nathangold01]

Hi
I have a favor to ask of anyone here who is kind enough to help me out. I bought a copy of the Final Cut Studio, but i lost my serial number for it. My cleaning lady threw out the box and manuals. This is extremely frustrating because now my Studio is worthless without the serial number. I was hoping if anyone had a serial number they could give me or a generic one that will work for all copies. It would mean a great deal to me, so i won't have to buy a whole new copy and spend all that money. Thanks so much.

[wiseguy27]

Hi
I have a favor to ask of anyone here who is kind enough to help me out. I bought a copy of the Final Cut Studio, but i lost my serial number for it. My cleaning lady threw out the box and manuals. This is extremely frustrating because now my Studio is worthless without the serial number. I was hoping if anyone had a serial number they could give me or a generic one that will work for all copies. It would mean a great deal to me, so i won't have to buy a whole new copy and spend all that money. Thanks so much.

I don't know how Final Cut Studio is packaged or how the installation process works, but I really doubt if anyone on this forum would help you, since the policies of this website discourage and prohibit piracy of any kind. I'm not accusing you of anything, but sharing a license key is equivalent to piracy and members of MR may not do it. You may probably be better off calling Apple - if you have the purchase records (even your name, address, and phone might suffice), they should be able to help you out. After all, they have your money! :)

[LethalWolfe]

Hi
I have a favor to ask of anyone here who is kind enough to help me out. I bought a copy of the Final Cut Studio, but i lost my serial number for it. My cleaning lady threw out the box and manuals. This is extremely frustrating because now my Studio is worthless without the serial number. I was hoping if anyone had a serial number they could give me or a generic one that will work for all copies. It would mean a great deal to me, so i won't have to buy a whole new copy and spend all that money. Thanks so much.

Well, w/the money you've saved by pirating programs one would think you could afford a better cleaning lady.

BTW, nice first and only post.


Lethal

[~Shard~]

Hi
I have a favor to ask of anyone here who is kind enough to help me out. I bought a copy of the Final Cut Studio, but i lost my serial number for it. My cleaning lady threw out the box and manuals. This is extremely frustrating because now my Studio is worthless without the serial number. I was hoping if anyone had a serial number they could give me or a generic one that will work for all copies. It would mean a great deal to me, so i won't have to buy a whole new copy and spend all that money. Thanks so much.

Just contact Apple directly. They will have your personal information on file, along with records, invoices, etc. of your purchase. They will be able to send you a new serial code, so no need to find one anywhere else.

Let us know how you make out. :cool:

[tuartboy]

Hi
I have a favor to ask of anyone here who is kind enough to help me out. I bought a copy of the Final Cut Studio, but i lost my serial number for it. My cleaning lady threw out the box and manuals. This is extremely frustrating because now my Studio is worthless without the serial number. I was hoping if anyone had a serial number they could give me or a generic one that will work for all copies. It would mean a great deal to me, so i won't have to buy a whole new copy and spend all that money. Thanks so much.
Nice try, bud.

FYI, we're not THAT dumb...

That cleaning lady line was about a 1 out of 10 effort in originality.

[Rod Rod]

my dog ate my serial number.

I thought the serial was going to self destruct so I tossed it out my car.

I thought I was Lorena Bobbit so I tossed it out my car.

I forgot it. honest, it won't happen again.

the serial didn't work so I threw it away. then I figured out was because I was using a Cyrillic keyboard. why does Apple hate us Serbians? dammit.

[xrayzed]

You could always try:

1-AM-A-THi3F

[~Shard~]

You could always try:

1-AM-A-THi3F

Actually, the guy already responded back about a week ago, but the Mods removed his comment as it was somewhat insulting to the people who criticized his initial question. On the other hand, he thanked those who actually helped him and informed him that he should talk to Apple directly, which he did, and he received a new serial key direct from them - so his question was answered and his problem solved, no thanks to some of the people here... :cool: But this is old now, so let's just drop it...

[Nugget]

I am interested in upgrading to FCP Studio 5.0. The original disk I have is FCP 3.0 Academic. I had no problem upgrading to 4.0 but want to be sure I can use the upgrade version of FCP Studio. Has anyone upgraded from the Academic 3.0 version?
Thanks

I went from FCP 3 Academic to FCP4 full to Final Cut Studio with no problems. My retail FCP4 happily accepted my FCP3.0 Academic serial number.

[Rod Rod]

he thanked those who actually helped him and informed him that he should talk to Apple directly, which he did, and he received a new serial key direct from them
Or so he claimed. :)
But this is old now, so let's just drop it...
Agreed.
I went from FCP 3 Academic to FCP4 full to Final Cut Studio with no problems. My retail FCP4 happily accepted my FCP3.0 Academic serial number.
That's exactly what creativeczar said in the third sentence of the post you quoted. His/her question was whether FCP3 academic can be upgraded to FCP5 similarly to the FCP4 upgrade. Of course Apple states that it can't, but sometimes what Apple says isn't exactly accurate so it's worthwhile to either try oneself or ask others.

[~Shard~]

Or so he claimed. :)

Fair enough, just giving him the benefit of the doubt. :)

Of course Apple states that it can't, but sometimes what Apple says isn't exactly accurate so it's worthwhile to either try oneself or ask others.

Well put - I've run into this before myself. As a result, it's always good to confirm with other third-party sources, i.e. MacRumors members! ;)

[Nugget]

That's exactly what creativeczar said in the third sentence of the post you quoted. His/her question was whether FCP3 academic can be upgraded to FCP5 similarly to the FCP4 upgrade. Of course Apple states that it can't, but sometimes what Apple says isn't exactly accurate so it's worthwhile to either try oneself or ask others.

It sounds like creativeczar wants to do exactly what I did, so I mentioned it. I went from 3 academic to 4 to 5 with no problems. creativeczar has gone from 3 to 4 and now wants to go to 5. That's what I did.

creativeczar said: "I had no problem upgrading to 4.0" so the 4.0 serial numbers are all that will be needed when the 5.0 install is performed. Worked fine for me.

Obviously you can't jump straight from version 3 to version 5, but that's not what was asked.

[Rod Rod]

Obviously you can't jump straight from version 3 to version 5, but that's not what was asked.
It seemed to me that's what was asked, but I appreciate your confirmation that going from 3 Academic to 4 (4.5) to 5 works. I too am in the same boat. :)