WWDC 2005 Approaching

[JDOG_]

Let the out-of-focus elevator and loading dock pictures begin!

Looking forward to some upgraded iPods, a new iBook or at least a spec bump and maybe asteroid. HD dual-core Powerbooks would be pretty sweet as well...more stuff I can't afford and don't really need. :rolleyes:

[tmornini]

The weirdest thing I've seen year to date is Bonjour for windows. I still don't understand it. The idea of a wireless controller or tablet for itunes... connecting and controlling printers. I don't know what's going to happen... but I'm optimistic that this software was released for some reason.
:confused: :)

How about to support iChat AV?

H.264 video conferencing cross platform from Mac to Windows.

iChat AV would be a FANTASTIC tool with a little voip to traditional
phone system linkage.

And who wouldn't want a TV and telephone that could bring non-computer
users and environments into the picture?

[VanNess]

It looking to be kind of interesting this year. I wouldn't expect any surprise updates for existing computer hardware with the possible exception of the Xserve, which has been waiting in the wings for one of late. Other than that, almost the entire Mac line has already been updated recently - except the iBook - and it's a little too soon in the refresh cycle to announce newer faster meaner powermacs.

I wouldn't be too surprised if the main theme of the keynote is going to be mostly Tiger pumping. My gut feeling is that Apple (read: Jobs) wants OS X Tiger to be to the computer what the iPod was to digital music. In order for the iPod to be massively successful, Jobs needed the major labels and the music store. In order to achieve something similar with OS X, Jobs needs killer apps...and developers.

Thus, at Macworld 05, when Jobs demoed the dictionary widget during the Tiger all star feature parade, he typed the word "love." Right up there on the big HD screen for all to see. Just a casual spontaneous word that popped into his head? Or was it a subliminal message to all the developers who would be attending the WWDC six months later....

Everyone knows the meaning of love. You be the judge.

lol

[mainframe]

Weird, I could swear I saw one at the Tampa Apple store in Feb this year. I think it was Sony that made them....


ther sony puppy? yeah, its the only one to EVER exist on a mac, and i cant find it anywhere online aside from the american sony store, and they dont ship to australia, and they sure as hell cant be found here.
they are incredibly rare from what ive seen.
i think apple could do this REALLY well if they wanted to.

[MacQuest]

I want my Apple PowerPad tablet/wireless remote/networking interface doo-hicky to have this screen...

http://news.com.com/Photos+Samsungs+slim+TV+tech+-+page+3/2009-1041_3-5716598-3.html?tag=st.num

[xrayzed]

I wouldn't be too surprised if the main theme of the keynote is going to be mostly Tiger pumping. My gut feeling is that Apple (read: Jobs) wants OS X Tiger to be to the computer what the iPod was to digital music. In order for the iPod to be massively successful, Jobs needed the major labels and the music store. In order to achieve something similar with OS X, Jobs needs killer apps...and developers.
I'd be a little surprised in that I can't see it heating up the room much. I don't think there will be anyone in the room who isn't reasonably up-to-speed with what Tiger has to offer, at least not at the relatively superficial level of a keynote address.

Having said that this is exactly what I am telling myself to expect. That way if there is any interesting/exciting hardware news I can be pleasantly surprised.

[Platform]

isn't very very quiet on the leak front this year? I haven't seen one credible, reoccuring hint about a new Apple product soon to be released/revamped.
How do you interpret that?

What: :eek: :eek: The mac mini ;)

[IscariotJ]

I have a question. What's to stop Apple dropping in the MPC7448 into the PB range, as it's supposed to be pin compatible with the 7447A? Wasn't the 7448 due to sample this 1st half of 2005? According to Freescale's site, they are giving presentations on the 7448 and the 8641. Surely a sign they are near?

J

[gate]

Apple must release a new machine. Or should I say a killer machine. Call it whatever you want. It must be at least dual-core. Most probably two dual-core. Running at least @ 2,5 GHz. The machine definitly needs PCI express and DDR2.

I really don't get why Apple is still trying to get a big chunk in the audio and video market and the company doesn't come up with a beast that could kill the competition. Maybe that machine would not sell like hot breads but at least it would stop the fact that Windows is getting more and more popular in these two markets.

I keep my fingers crossed.

P.S. Hey Steve, I would buy such a machine!

[nms]

no-one ever really answered the recurring question.

what has been released in previous WWDCs?

[~Shard~]

no-one ever really answered the recurring question.

what has been released in previous WWDCs?

I've answered it, hmm, must have been in other threads then...

At any rate, WWDC 2003 brought us the PowerMac G5 - HUGE event, lots of good stuff at that one. Last year's wasn't as good by comparison, at least according to general consensus. The play-by-play can still be found here (http://www.macrumors.com/events/wwdc2004.html).

[w_parietti22]

agreed . soooomthing all new has to surface - beeing apexpress2 or a redesigned / compact ibook .. soooomthing pleeeeease . we havnt had anything big and "all new" since the imac .. *sigh* :rolleyes:

What about the Mac Mini? the iMac G5 came out in '04, the Mac Mini was in '05.

I hope apple pulls out both PB G5s and iBook G5s next week. that would be incredible. But Unlikely.'

[gregoryp]

..."According to Freescale's site, they are giving presentations on the 7448 and the 8641."

7448 I would say is likely...at least for the ibooks. Have yet to see ANYTHING that would indicate the 8641 is being produced or is iminent.

That being said, would it be feasible to put a dual processor 7448 in a Powerbook (or Mac Mini)? Probably less power required (20 watts) than a G5. This would ensure the PowerBook retains its performance edge until the G5 (or 8641) is ready.

[Squire]

Introducing the all new iBook mini

Is all I can leak. But this IS the "one more thing"

Enjoy.

Actually, I believe you. I've been ranting about how Apple should make one of these for 2 years now. And, as I said before, why let Sony and Fujitsu grab all the profits? In my opinion, it's a gaping hole in their product lineup that must be filled.

I also agree that there will be some Airport updates incorporating video. The AirTunes remote is also a possibility. Whether that's the same as the tablet that's been rumored, who knows? If the do release a tablet-like device, it would have to have some groundbreaking feature that really stood out. In other words, I think Apple's looking for their next big (potentially cross-platform) sensation.

Squire

[mpest]

I think one thing that will be introduced is .mac home folder sync - or at least documents folder sync, as well as desktop, music, pictures, & movies. This may not seem like a big deal to some, but documents folder syncing is the #1 feature I could ask for. All of the pieces are now in place w/ Tiger. its just a matter of online storage capacity. Currently the most additional storage you can get is 1GB, but Apple could realistically price online storage at $1/GB/yr. Also - check your iDisks - notice there is now a desktop folder?! Didn't used to be there (until 10.4.1 I think). I think and hope this is a clue to the announcement of expanded .mac sync w/ more online storage.

[kenaustus]

What is happening in the supply channels? That seems to be the best indicator of new hardware on the way - and I haven't read anything recently about a line being wound down.

Anything can happen at WWDC, which makes it interesting. The G5 PMs were introduced there and (I believe) in the consumer area the iSight was introduced at WWDC.

Personally I think it's time for IBM to deliver on an advanced G5 chip and dual cores are hitting the WinTel market these days. I'll go for top of the line dual core, with the other lines moving up a notch. The reason why I think the PM is heading for a nice bump is the drop in its sales rate. Apple would be pushing IBM very hard right now and I believe IBM will (finally) deliver.

iBooks? The back to school market is coming fast and Apple has to go with what they have, or introduce something rather fast. Book Store orders need to be taken care of as these college sales are important to Apple. I would not, however, be surprised to see a new (or upgraded) version of the iBook announced outside of WWDC. eMacs are in the same boat, but I don't think anything will happen in this line.

PBs? I'm thinking Freescale dual core chips announced in Paris. In my mind a G5 PB will come when IBM goes to 65 nm - which is why I replaced my 667 PB with a 1.5 15" when they were announced last year.

In reality Steve J has two hours to rally the troops (with good sales, market share information), go through some stuff specifically for developers, throw in a nice consumer product and deliver "one more thing". If you look back on previous WWDC Keynotes there is limited time available for new products - meaning a limited number of items to generate interest in.

[bikertwin]

What's gonna be at WWDC? Power Mac? PowerBook? iBook?

Blah blah blah. That's all ancient history. Think Different.

Back when PCs first came out, they were used exclusively for content creation. You did spreadsheets, word processing, databases, and graphics. You generally didn't view other people's work online (not very good networking back then). You saw printouts at meetings or whatnot. What was done on a computer was mostly content creation. This required big horsepower, lots of peripherals, lots of disk options.

Nowadays, it's completely different. Sure some people still do a lot of content creation, but most people (especially home users) do content consumption. You know--web surfing, reading PDFs, looking at pictures & slideshows, listenting to music, watching movies. Content consumption requires less horsepower than content creation (you can easily watch a DVD on a G4 iBook, but try creating one--it takes hours and hours of encoding time).

So . . . desktop and laptop computers have until now required lots and lots of horsepower. And they required lots of peripherals and drive types. You need monster hard disks to store DV video and gigabytes of songs; you need a CD/DVD drive to play or import music & movies. Heck, iBooks were a lot more successful than some super-thin-and-light laptops in the early 2000's because Apple put in a CD/DVD drive. Those early laptops without optical media drives were worthless.

But now it's 2005. You don't need optical drives (or zip drives or floppies) anymore. You get your data from a wireless network or a USB memory card drive. You download songs off of iTunes. (Maybe movies, too). This is content consumption. It's very lightweight computing.

So . . . maybe instead of desktops and notebooks, the home user will have one media server next to the TV/audio system, and a very lightweight "media player" for each member of the household.

The media server is where you need heavy duty processors, massive hard drives, lots and lots of connectors (audio, video, firewire, etc.), DVD burner, gobs of RAM, etc.

The "media player" is larger than an iPod, smaller than an iBook, with no optical drive or firewire ports. It probably does have a hard drive, to store your music and a movie or two. (Maybe DRM will go further--users of "media players" will check out a license for a song or movie from the media server, and then check it back in so sister Susie can use it.) Doesn't need gobs of RAM or lots of connectors; USB and Bluetooth/WiFi suffice.

This is a vision for the future. If not next week, then next year.

So, while Power Macs and iBooks will be around for a while, there will be a sea change to dedicated media servers and media players.

Media server = content creation. Heavyweight. Pricey. One per household.

Media player = content consumption. [EDIT: And lightweight content creation, like e-mail, address book, light word processing.] Lightweight. Inexpensive. One for each member of the family.

Desktops and notebooks will gradually fade away.

[dongmin]

As it has been a million times before, the WWDC is for Developers. The only hardware announcements at WWDC have been:

2004: new displays, including the 30" and geforce ddl
2003: power mac G5, iSight
2002: (no hardware announcements)

So the only 'consumer' hardware release in the last three years was the iSight which was actually a part of the iChat AV announcement. Likewise, if any new hardware is released, like an iTunes phone, I'd expect a major software initiative to go with it. So, my bets are on mostly software announcements:

1. New apps that exploit Tiger technologies like Spotlight (Office update???), Dashboard (more widgets!), Core Data, etc.

2. A major Quicktime/H.264 announcement...

3. iTunes 5.0 with Motorola phone support & possibly something about video

4. Airport Express 2 (or maybe 'Airport AV')with support for streaming video (to go along iTunes 5.0)

Yeah, the list isn't so exciting, but WWDC rarely has been for the average user. I don't think Apple is ready to drop the G5 PowerBook bomb yet. Same for dual-core Power Macs. Those are about the only major hardware announcements that are WWDC-worthy. An iBook update may happen around that time, but it'll one of those press-release updates, nothing major.

[bikertwin]

As it has been a million times before, the WWDC is for Developers. The only hardware announcements at WWDC have been:

2004: new displays, including the 30" and geforce ddl
2003: power mac G5, iSight
2002: (no hardware announcements)


Yes, but notice that major announcements at WWDC coincidentally :eek: started when Apple pulled out of the east coast MacWorld.

To cut costs, I think Apple has just replaced part of the function of MacWorld Boston with WWDC--the keynote. Mr. Jobs has to have his keynote twice a year. ;)

[crap freakboy]

I'd guess-

MacMini update, just a small speed bump and new GPU.
iSight 2.
Shuffle 2GB.
wild crazy guess would be a prototype dancing robot that streams your iTunes to whatever APE hardware is nearby, the iRobot.

Besides that it'll be 'ain't we neat', 'blah, blah, cool, blah' etc etc

[iJaz]

Hmm, the shipping for my recent order for a 2.3 GHz PM and 20" CD has been pushed to the 7th of June... Could be a sign for something new in the PM line being announced on the 6th!? ;)
A new high end PM and price drops? :eek:
(I know it's unlikely, but one can still speculate to keep the spirit up.)

[MarcelV]

The article states: "That being said, rumor sites have also been relatively silent.".
My intepretation of relatively: there are aboslutely no good leaks, not even some good ones we can speculate on. Yes, a few people try to guess in their postings, but it is just a guessing game. Much more guessing than in the last few years. There are no real rumors and it starts to be boring!!!!!!! So, just my rant!!!

[wdlove]

Apple must release a new machine. Or should I say a killer machine. Call it whatever you want. It must be at least dual-core. Most probably two dual-core. Running at least @ 2,5 GHz. The machine definitely needs PCI express and DDR2.

I keep my fingers crossed.

P.S. Hey Steve, I would buy such a machine!

That sounds awesome to me. A 2.5 for 2005, that would fit very well with the interest of numbers by Doctor Q.

Now we only have six days to wait.

[pigwin32]

I have a question. What's to stop Apple dropping in the MPC7448 into the PB range, as it's supposed to be pin compatible with the 7447A? Wasn't the 7448 due to sample this 1st half of 2005? According to Freescale's site, they are giving presentations on the 7448 and the 8641. Surely a sign they are near?

I think the 7448 is rated at 1.5GHz, kind of a backward step for the PB's.

[IscariotJ]

I think the 7448 is rated at 1.5GHz, kind of a backward step for the PB's.

According to this http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/overview.jsp?nodeId=018rH3bTdG7249 it provides more than 1.5Ghz, surely a good starting point for the 13" PB?

J

[pigwin32]

According to this http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/overview.jsp?nodeId=018rH3bTdG7249 it provides more than 1.5Ghz, surely a good starting point for the 13" PB?

Actually, if these things debuted at 1.8GHz that would provide an interim update for the PB. Unfortunately the 7448 is still hamstrung by the FSB so not a great leap forward but not the step backwards I thought. An interesting upgrade would be the single core MPC8641. This would be very telling about the near term roadmap for the PBs. There would be some serious hardware changes required to accommodate the chip, indicating intent to progress to the dual core version rather than move to the G5. Then I would have a very serious dilemma, upgrade to the MPC8641 PB or wait for the MPC8641D dual-core version.

[Val-kyrie]

Hopefully we will see high res displays on the 15" and 17" Powerbooks. The 17" should be 1920 x 1200 and the 15.4" 1680 x 1050.

Make that 15.4" 1680 x 1080 for native HD--is that possible?

[Val-kyrie]

powerbook g5... hrm.. not quite yet.. i saw mwsf 06 for that one :cool:

if it sports a Freescale 8641D.

[Apple!Freak]

When that inevitable 12" Powerbook running the Freescale processor is launched in 6 days, I will throw my 1500 one dollar bills at Apple so fast, they won't know what hit them. ;)

[nanosound]

The article states: "That being said, rumor sites have also been relatively silent.".
My intepretation of relatively: there are aboslutely no good leaks, not even some good ones we can speculate on. Yes, a few people try to guess in their postings, but it is just a guessing game. Much more guessing than in the last few years. There are no real rumors and it starts to be boring!!!!!!! So, just my rant!!!

Also, don't forget all the rumor sites being sued recently. Silence seems to be golden right now.

I'm expecting nothing new, but I am waiting until the keynote before buying a new tower and screen.

[Apple!Freak]

if it sports a Freescale 8641D.

On second thought, there is no observed spike in Freescale Semiconductors stock.

https://us.etrade.com/e/t/invest/quotesresearch?sym=FSL&quote_type=0

[arn]

the fact that macrumors told us that rumor sites are basicaly being paid off (like they are every year....but every year we get some idea before it happens anyways) and that we havent heard anyhting yet, kinda makes me think apple really wants to keep some thing a secret.....

Um.... I can't believe how people misinterpret things.

Certain mac *news* sites are being paid off.

Mac rumor sites are never sponsored by Apple.

arn

[Val-kyrie]

Xserver will get an update, do I see a PPC980 or a PPC970MP CPU?

Not until September. Another poster on another thread in the Macrumors forum mentioned his company ordering these chips from IBM for non-Mac hardware (I think servers), but were told not until January. If Apple gets to market these chips 3 to 4 months prior to anyone else, including even Big Blue, then September would be about right.

[MBHockey]

Anyone know if this will be streamed live? Or perhaps later on in the week?

I can't remember what they did last year...

[Val-kyrie]

..."According to Freescale's site, they are giving presentations on the 7448 and the 8641."

7448 I would say is likely...at least for the ibooks. Have yet to see ANYTHING that would indicate the 8641 is being produced or is iminent.

That being said, would it be feasible to put a dual processor 7448 in a Powerbook (or Mac Mini)? Probably less power required (20 watts) than a G5. This would ensure the PowerBook retains its performance edge until the G5 (or 8641) is ready.

Wouldn't this require a redesign of the motherboard? If so, this would warrant a new enclosure, something I doubt you'll see until the 8641 is ready.

[OSSfan]

Last year, they streamed the keynote a couple of hours after it ended.

[Val-kyrie]

My point being that the PB is a nice product except that the processor is throttled by the FSB and the display isn't keeping pace with the latest generation of displays.

Aren't these the TWO primary considerations for a laptop?

[bikertwin]

Certain mac *news* sites are being paid off.

Mac rumor sites are never sponsored by Apple.

arn

Yeah, wasn't it weird how MacSurfer.com (which is normally excellent) had prominent "news" links to MacObserver.com "stories" (ads, really) for WWDC? I wonder if MacSurfer.com got a cut of the ad fees.

[Rangerhall6]

I just noticed the shipping has gone up on the Airport Extreme Base Station, Airport Extreme Card, and the Keyspan Express Remote. If i recall it was recently same day shipping but is now 1-3 days. Any opinions on what this could mean?

[poundsmack]

Um.... I can't believe how people misinterpret things.

Certain mac *news* sites are being paid off.

Mac rumor sites are never sponsored by Apple.

arn

ahh, sorry my mistake.

[artifex]

Well, I just got a new coupon from Apple, expiring June 9th. When does Steve announce? :)

[groovebuster]

I just noticed the shipping has gone up on the Airport Extreme Base Station, Airport Extreme Card, and the Keyspan Express Remote. If i recall it was recently same day shipping but is now 1-3 days. Any opinions on what this could mean?
That probably means... nothing. ;)

But seriously, there are many reasons that could lead to a shipping time of 1-3 days. At this point I wouldn't interprete too much into it.

groovebuster

[dongmin]

That probably means... nothing. ;)

But seriously, there are many reasons that could lead to a shipping time of 1-3 days. At this point I wouldn't interprete too much into it.

groovebusterYes, but the recent Airport Express & iTMS ended just last week. One would deduce that Apple was getting rid of old AE stock to make ready for new AEs.

[MontyZ]

It's all about the video this year. Jobs will announce all the new video stuff that can be done with Apple's new hardware and software.

Then he'll pull out the two-button Apple Mouse and the entire room will GASP in unison.

[gedto]

I think we're to see a heck of a lot of new stuff in June... but many might not be so appealing to the average user. Friday will tell... personally I'm expecting new iBook design, Dual Core G5 for Xserve and maybe low-wattage PPC970GX embedded in portables :)

[bikertwin]

Well if there are no new rumors, we'll have to recycle some.

"A project code-named Predator, mentioned in our previous report, has had its release date pushed back to August, sources indicate." -- Think Secret: http://www.thinksecret.com/news/0503nab.html

Will this be announced at WWDC, ready to ship in August? A Photoshop killer maybe?

[shadowmoses]

Well if there are no new rumors, we'll have to recycle some.

"A project code-named Predator, mentioned in our previous report, has had its release date pushed back to August, sources indicate." -- Think Secret: http://www.thinksecret.com/news/0503nab.html

Will this be announced at WWDC, ready to ship in August? A Photoshop killer maybe?

That would be nice, to have a photoshop killer made by mac.......mmmmmm

[~Shard~]

That would be nice, to have a photoshop killer made by mac.......mmmmmm

I don't know if there is really a need for this though. Photoshop is a damn fine app, and I think lots of people are quite content with it and not screaming out for an Apple alternative. Mind you, people can't know how good/bad something is unless they have an alternative to compare it to... ; )

[greenfluke]

Apple must release a new machine. Or should I say a killer machine. Call it whatever you want. It must be at least dual-core. Most probably two dual-core. Running at least @ 2,5 GHz. The machine definitly needs PCI express and DDR2.

I'm thinking dual-core across the line, FreeScales in the iBook and PowerBooks and 970MP in all G5s. The last update was a little overclock to get rid of excess PowerMac inventory. Plus a tablet Mac :D

[cr2sh]

I'm thinking dual-core across the line, FreeScales in the iBook and PowerBooks and 970MP in all G5s. The last update was a little overclock to get rid of excess PowerMac inventory. Plus a tablet Mac :D

Why stop there? :rolleyes: :D

I think we'll get a few new ipod accessories... and maybe a new pro app... and ibooks.

We'll be here on Monday afternoon bitching, that's if the forum doesn't implode from dissapintment. :eek:

[Cooknn]

Also, don't forget all the rumor sites being sued recently. Silence seems to be golden right now.Agreed. Could it be that Apple has finally locked down the source of previous rumors? Next week should be exciting. I'm also in the camp that something blockbuster regarding Hi-Def is on the horizon and will be announced at WWDC ;)

[jwdsail]

Just my $0.02 US... Best guesses and wish list rolled together...

1. iTunes 4.9/5.0 demo... Will prob. show off the updated iPod sw (if it isn't fake) at the same time...

2. If the iTunes demo is late enough in the keynote, perhaps a "One more thing..." An ARM (Intel chip) or Cell based Auidio/Video device, iVod perhaps? A Tivo made to work like a Mac, take advantage of metadata (see a show you've recorded or ripped or bought on the iVideo Store, say "Learn more" and be shown a selection of websites w/ more info on that topic, or documents/bookmarks on the Macs in your home relating to that topic..) WiMax or 802.11n based Bonjour streaming of video/auido to other Macs running 10.4.2 or newer.. If Cell based, ability to play PS 1 and PS2 (can't imagine Sony would allow PS3) games... Built-in Bluetooth for remote and game controlers... I won't hold my breath, but this would be great..

3. AirPort updates... AirTunes now enabled for any sound source on your Mac: iTunes, iTivo/iVod, QuickTime, iPhoto, etc... Airport updated to 802.11n. 802.11n included in all iMac G5s, PowerBooks and G5 PowerMacs starting end of month... Built-in support in all AirPort sw for WiMax with Intel cards, support for WiMax via AirPort sw will work in 10.3 or 10.4... Again, not holding my breath, just major on my wish list...

4. MacOS X 10.4 optimized for use in PowerMacs equipped with the Cell as a coprocessor... drool.. sigh..wish, wish, not holding breath...

5. Xgrid for use with PS3... network your Macs with PS3 and offload any Xgrid enabled task (Video rendering, etc) to the Cell...Would be great to be able to use a PS3 to speed-up encoding in iLife and/or DVD Studio...

6. Dual-core Freescale G4 based PowerBooks, upgradeable PCI Express Graphics, HD res display, 802.11n built-in...

7. MacOS X Server for Intel x64... Possible.. This would allow Apple to sell more "Unlimited" licenses of MacOS X (A real bargain compared to M$ price range), and sell more Support packages... This would have nothing to do with any move to Intel across the board, rather, take an opportunity to get potential switchers from NT which is seeing it's support from M$ dwindle... This would allow MacOS X on Intel without requiring any 3rd parties to rewrite their sw.. (Servers have 90% of what customers will use on them out of the box, or am I wrong?) Won't compete with MacOS X on Macs, due to the price of MacOS X Server (Hint, not $129.99, still a deal compared to Windows Server offerings though.) ... Perhaps only offered on IBM or HP systems?


Just my thoughts and my wish list rolled together... It's WWDC, not MacWorld.. far-out ideas (things we may not see shipped right away) are always possible... 10.5 ideas, etc...

[wdlove]

Anyone know if this will be streamed live? Or perhaps later on in the week?

I can't remember what they did last year...

No, Apple has stopped streaming the Keynotes live. The official word is that it's due to the cost. I believe that the last live stream was MWSF 2004.

If they follow prior practice, they will release the Keynote via QuickTime later in the day.

[dongmin]

I don't know if there is really a need for this though. Photoshop is a damn fine app, and I think lots of people are quite content with it and not screaming out for an Apple alternative. Mind you, people can't know how good/bad something is unless they have an alternative to compare it to... ; )while photoshop is a powerful, indispensable tool for pros, it has become bloated in recent years. and it's fairly expensive. given core image and other imaging tech built into tiger, apple or another developer could write a stripped down and streamlined version of photoshop for relatively small development costs. something in between iphoto's editing features and photoshop. for $79. i think it'd sell.

[jwdsail]

while photoshop is a powerful, indispensable tool for pros, it has become bloated in recent years. and it's fairly expensive. given core image and other imaging tech built into tiger, apple or another developer could write a stripped down and streamlined version of photoshop for relatively small development costs. something in between iphoto's editing features and photoshop. for $79. i think it'd sell.


We have that, it's called Graphic Converter...

http://www.lemkesoft.de/en/graphcon.htm

And I'm sure he'll be glad to know that you'd be willing to pay more ;-)

[~Shard~]

while photoshop is a powerful, indispensable tool for pros, it has become bloated in recent years. and it's fairly expensive. given core image and other imaging tech built into tiger, apple or another developer could write a stripped down and streamlined version of photoshop for relatively small development costs. something in between iphoto's editing features and photoshop. for $79. i think it'd sell.

That's a fair point - "bloated" and "expensive" are also words used to describe Office, and Apple is doing something about that slowly but surely with iWork, so perhaps something similar for Photoshop is in the works - an Apple application like Elements then?

[jwdsail]

The PowerMacs were just upgraded. Apple would be shooting itself on the knees (which wouldn't feel too nice, would it?!) if they released new models already. Go ahead and buy that beast if you need it!

Also, I bought my 2x1.8 last summer and I don't feel any need for a faster one.. Oh well, sometimes rendering video could be a bit faster ;)

I could see them adding 802.11n and faster ATI cards to the PowerMacs this soon... If 802.11n equipment is announced, I think Apple will want to roll it out asap.. as far as faster ATI cards... I give Apple credit for listening to allot of us mitch and bone in the past and fix things asap.. so I hold out hope that they do this before I start ordering my PowerMac... Would love the X800 based card as a BTO option... doubt they'd change the standard equipment though. Just add the additional BTO option.

I also think we could *possibly* see either cards using the Cell as a co-processor, or Xgrid support to connect to PS3.... I can't see the Cell replacing the PPC970, 970FX, 970MP, etc.. just not what it's designed for... But the Cell as a co-processor, or Xgrid support, would be useful for HD Video content creation.... Think about plugging an iMac G5 into a PS3 and being able to run DVD Studio faster... on the other hand, maybe we won't see that... lol, may prefer you use Xgrid and a 2nd iMac, lol.

[bikertwin]

We have that, it's called Graphic Converter...

http://www.lemkesoft.de/en/graphcon.htm

And I'm sure he'll be glad to know that you'd be willing to pay more ;-)

While Graphic Converter is a very nice app, Apple certainly could come out with something considerably more ambitious with that classic Apple style. :cool:

[bikertwin]

That's a fair point - "bloated" and "expensive" are also words used to describe Office, and Apple is doing something about that slowly but surely with iWork, so perhaps something similar for Photoshop is in the works - an Apple application like Elements then?

Yes!

What to call it? Xphoto? DarkRoom? (probably already taken) Photo Express and Photo Studio Pro? (a la Final Cut)

I'm wishing more than predicting...

[~Shard~]

Yes!

What to call it? Xphoto? DarkRoom? (probably already taken) Photo Express and Photo Studio Pro? (a la Final Cut)

I'm wishing more than predicting...

How about "iPhotoshop"? I don't think Apple would get sued over that... Hell, if someone isn't getting sued over that whole PC Mini thing... ;)

[Dr.Gargoyle]

What: :eek: :eek: The mac mini ;)
I doubt it, but I heard that they might begin to produce a new portable music device....almost like a walkman... :p

[MontyZ]

while photoshop is a powerful, indispensable tool for pros, it has become bloated in recent years.
This is a bit off-topic, but, I totally agree, Adobe has dropped the ball with Photoshop and especially Illustrator over the past few years. They come out this with these expensive updates and all you usually get are a whole bunch of new bugs and some stupid feature you'll never even use anyway. Ever since Adobe started catering to the Windows market, they've gone downhill.

[Daveway]

Yeah, wasn't it weird how MacSurfer.com (which is normally excellent) had prominent "news" links to MacObserver.com "stories" (ads, really) for WWDC? I wonder if MacSurfer.com got a cut of the ad fees.

Macminute is DEFINITELY being paid off right now. :(

[poundsmack]

How about "iPhotoshop"? I don't think Apple would get sued over that... Hell, if someone isn't getting sued over that whole PC Mini thing... ;)


what i would really like ot see it something like this http://moab.eecs.wsu.edu/paint.net/ for the mac

[bikertwin]

what i would really like ot see it something like this http://moab.eecs.wsu.edu/paint.net/ for the mac

That looks interesting. Never heard of it before.

[bikertwin]

How about "iPhotoshop"? I don't think Apple would get sued over that... Hell, if someone isn't getting sued over that whole PC Mini thing... ;)

Yeah, that and the iPod Shuffle clone thing.

Where are the lawyers? :confused:

[~Shard~]

Yeah, that and the iPod Shuffle clone thing.

Where are the lawyers? :confused:

Too busy keeping the rumor sites tight-lipped? ;)

[alexeismertin]

From the many sites dealing in rumors and hearsay, I have concluded that the the following is quite possible:

OUT - Single G5 powermac

IN - Quad Powermac (2 x dual core)

The single G5 has been abandoned (or EOL'ed) by Apple, its got lower specs than an iMac and doesn't sit right with the current lineup - 80gb HD, 8x superdrive, although it does still have a modem & 9600XT (just old stock I guess). This will see price drops on the current Dual Powermacs without any changes as they were recently updated, so the Dual 2.0 is the price of the current Single 1.8. This allows something at the top end with a HD Cinema Display, which will meet the following conditions:

Year of HD, keep developers busy with dual core technologies, Chud tools reporting 2 x 2 core processors, recent display price drops allows a bigger display at the top end.

I think though that ibook & ipod updates will be filtered out to the public between July & August to keep interest up. Dual processor (not G5) powerbooks in September.

[mandis]

Just my $0.02 US... Best guesses and wish list rolled together...

3. AirPort updates... AirTunes now enabled for any sound source on your Mac: iTunes, iTivo/iVod, QuickTime, iPhoto, etc... Airport updated to 802.11n. 802.11n included in all iMac G5s, PowerBooks and G5 PowerMacs starting end of month... Built-in support in all AirPort sw for WiMax with Intel cards, support for WiMax via AirPort sw will work in 10.3 or 10.4... Again, not holding my breath, just major on my wish list...


The current line of powerbooks is the least upgradeable ever. Unlike all previews generations it does not feature an internal airport slot, meaning that the card is probably directly soldered on the motherboard and therefore it cannot be replaced with an 802.11n. They could make one for all the other powerbooks and ibooks though but i wouldn't bet on it...

[unknownfairy]

From the many sites dealing in rumors and hearsay, I have concluded that the the following is quite possible...

What rumor sites have YOU been reading? Cause as far as I can see they're not saying zip. Which is crazy, considering all the rumors we had pre-April 1st. Maybe apple are holding hostages? Editors' computers, etc?

[Platform]

I doubt it, but I heard that they might begin to produce a new portable music device....almost like a walkman... :p

Did you even read what I Quoted :confused: :confused: :(

The person said "there has not really been a big rumors this year"

And I said "Mac mini :eek: :eek: "

[denm316]

I am going to go and buy a new 20inch iMac on Saturday, I know this is the worst time to buy a new Apple product...two days before the keynote. But hopefully nothing will be updated on the iMac line.

[Piarco]

I am going to go and buy a new 20inch iMac on Saturday, I know this is the worst time to buy a new Apple product...two days before the keynote. But hopefully nothing will be updated on the iMac line.

I think its 99.99% safe to say that the iMac line won't be touched with the recent updates. I've got two work colleugues orderign Mac's this week, one of who is definately ordering the 20-incher who I've told to order whenever they want, and one torn between a Powerbook and an imac, who I've told to wait until the WWDC keynote is over.

So purchase worry-free!

[denm316]

I think its 99.99% safe to say that the iMac line won't be touched with the recent updates. I've got two work colleugues orderign Mac's this week, one of who is definately ordering the 20-incher who I've told to order whenever they want, and one torn between a Powerbook and an imac, who I've told to wait until the WWDC keynote is over.

So purchase worry-free!

I figured it would be a worry free purchase, but there is always that little bit of doubt in the back of your mind.

[Eastend]

How about "iPhotoshop"? I don't think Apple would get sued over that... Hell, if someone isn't getting sued over that whole PC Mini thing... ;)

About the sue part of this, I believe Apple is getting ready to do just that as far as the PC Mini thing is concerned, it's in the news already.

Brian

[sunilraman]

definitely :D

only shipping end of July, pre-orders from end of June (that way apple gets to book sales for this quarter) :D

well, that's my guess, and i'm sticking to it. clouded though, the future, is...

i'm hoping for the above though so that in July existing powerbook g4s go into firesale mode... yeah :D

i'll picka-me-up a Tiger'ed iLife-05'ed powerbook 1.67ghz 128mb vram mobility 9700 with 512mb ram. 80gb 5400rpm drive, sweet. combo drive only.... for CHEAP... YEAH

[drewyboy]

I think Jobs will make the announcement of the new form factor powerbooks which will be outfitted with the dual g4 proc's from freescale (which would take care of the problem of ppl saying you can't fit it in the current pb), then the the iBook will take over the current pb specs, but the case will go from the current case to sprayed white case... possibly still alum. or switch to plastic. This would only be announced but not yet available till first week of august which will be perfect timing for school. You really have to put things into perspective of the school season coming up, many sales. Otherwise...they may be planning for an october release and a second revision by next fall for the school year. Either way, dual g4 pb announced.

[swissmann]

there has to be something :rolleyes:

Here's to hoping that something is something completely new.

[wrylachlan]

I could see them adding 802.11n and faster ATI cards to the PowerMacs this soon... If 802.11n equipment is announced, I think Apple will want to roll it out asap.. Hello. Hello. This is reality calling. 802.11n won't be ratified till December of 06 AT THE EARLIEST. 2007 is much more likely. At this point its not even at the stage where you can make something close enough to the standard that it can later be ugraded. Any pre-N product is essentially guaranteed to not work with the ratified standard. No way in hell will apple go down that road.

[tdewey]

Here's to hoping that something is something completely new.

Just noted that Freescale reported the 7448 as a new product for Q2/2005.
http://www.freescale.com/files/shared/doc/selector_guide/SG1001.pdf

So, I'd lay down good money that we see a PB update with the 7448 at WWDC and an iBook update w/ the 7447B (? whatever the current chip is in the PB).

T

Current G5 = Never.
Dual-core G4 = Not yet in volume production (next PB rev if no mobile G5?)
Mobile G5 (someday)

[shadowmoses]

Introducing the all new iBook mini

Is all I can leak. But this IS the "one more thing"

Enjoy.

Id like to see what that looks like....

[jwdsail]

Hello. Hello. This is reality calling. 802.11n won't be ratified till December of 06 AT THE EARLIEST. 2007 is much more likely. At this point its not even at the stage where you can make something close enough to the standard that it can later be ugraded. Any pre-N product is essentially guaranteed to not work with the ratified standard. No way in hell will apple go down that road.


Yep, Apple would never use draft spec WiFi equipment...

http://wifinetnews.com/archives/001433.html

6 months before 802.11g was ratified...

Anyway, my post was re: a post saying that Apple would not possibly update the PowerMac G5s in any way.. I just pointed out two ways they could update the PowerMacs that would make sense... *If* Apple announced say, 802.11n equipment, they'd want to roll it out asap.. that would likely include PowerMacs..

Shrug.

[wdlove]

Hello. Hello. This is reality calling. 802.11n won't be ratified till December of 06 AT THE EARLIEST. 2007 is much more likely. At this point its not even at the stage where you can make something close enough to the standard that it can later be upgraded. Any pre-N product is essentially guaranteed to not work with the ratified standard. No way in hell will apple go down that road.

That seems surprising. Thought that they usually have the networks to be backward compatible.

[jdechko]

I dont think that Steve will say much at all about Tiger given that the past 2 keynotes have focused a lot on Tiger. But Tiger is not new news anymore. I really hope that we see some PowerBooks with updated processors (7448's @ at least 2.0GHz), I'd definitely get one, and finally switch! :) ... Dreaming about Tiger, Expose, Automator, iLife.... oh man... :D

[tdewey]

Here's to hoping that something is something completely new.

http://www.freescale.com/files/abstract/misc/FTF_PPC_JUMP1.html

Freescale has a number of sessions concerning both the 7448 and 8461D. The multi-core G4 might not be as far away as we all are thinking.

[Platform]

How about "iPhotoshop"? I don't think Apple would get sued over that... Hell, if someone isn't getting sued over that whole PC Mini thing... ;)

That would be really cool :D :D :D

[mandis]

I think Jobs will make the announcement of the new form factor powerbooks which will be outfitted with the dual g4 proc's from freescale (which would take care of the problem of ppl saying you can't fit it in the current pb), then the the iBook will take over the current pb specs, but the case will go from the current case to sprayed white case... possibly still alum. or switch to plastic. This would only be announced but not yet available till first week of august which will be perfect timing for school. You really have to put things into perspective of the school season coming up, many sales. Otherwise...they may be planning for an october release and a second revision by next fall for the school year. Either way, dual g4 pb announced.


A PLASTIC Powerbook?? No way!
I am pretty confident that the aluminium and the solid industrial look are perhaps the reasons why people buy them. If Apple was to change that i don't think people would be so attracted to them anymore. When it comes to portable equipment, looks are as important as function.

[dongmin]

http://www.freescale.com/files/abstract/misc/FTF_PPC_JUMP1.html

Freescale has a number of sessions concerning both the 7448 and 8461D. The multi-core G4 might not be as far away as we all are thinking.The 7448 is a certain bet. If not for PowerBooks, then definitely for the iBooks, eMacs, and Mac Minis. The 7448 should be able to take the G4 to 2.0 ghz which would mean the consumer line (minus the iMac) will be on the G4 for another 12-18 months.

[Daveway]

Why does everyone think the Mac mini should be upgraded? :confused: :rolleyes:

[aegisdesign]

The 7448 is a certain bet. If not for PowerBooks, then definitely for the iBooks, eMacs, and Mac Minis. The 7448 should be able to take the G4 to 2.0 ghz which would mean the consumer line (minus the iMac) will be on the G4 for another 12-18 months.

What I liked about the 7448 is that they are quoting power usages of about 10W at 1.4Ghz. The 7447A runs 21W at that speed typically.

If they do do an iBook Mini - a 1.4Ghz 10W cool little computer is easily possible. 1MB L2 cache too!


...and still with the 60x front side bus though now it's up to 200Mhz which is probably ok for a laptop.

[aegisdesign]

I think the 7448 is rated at 1.5GHz, kind of a backward step for the PB's.

Not really.

Freescale rate it at 'at least 1.5Ghz' whereas they rate the 7447A in the current powerbooks as max 1.42Ghz.

Apple has always ran processors faster than what Moto/Freescale say is the max. Also, the 7448 has twice the L2 cache and a faster FSB. They're also making play about the AltiVec engine being able to execute two instructions out of order too but I can't remember if the 7447 did also.

Either way, you couldn't call it a backward step.

[gedto]

http://homepage.mac.com/dzweben/pr/jun/pbg5.html

What about this? Looks like a leak! Powerbook G5 in August!

[feakbeak]

http://homepage.mac.com/dzweben/pr/jun/pbg5.html

What about this? Looks like a leak! Powerbook G5 in August!That is fake, it's already been brought up in other threads.

[gedto]

doh!

[gsdali]

and that is Xsan 1.1. It's been in beta for a while now and ought to be ready to roll. The main thing it brings is Petabyte volumes. An Xserve announcement would fit nicely with this but only possible if the 970mp/gx chips are available in reasnoble quantitities and they weren't for the recent G5 refresh. However time has past and Apple don't sell so many Xserves. In addition it would be good to see dual PCI-X busses in the Xserve to boost data throughput when using an Xserve as a NAS head to a SAN.

Possibly we may see the Xstation, WWDC would be the right place to announce it given NAB has been and gone, my gut feeling says no. the only glimmer would be to launch it aggressively targeting Xbox 360 developers (the existing G5 is already a development and testing platform).

I expect a lot of riffing on a theme of H.264 although I don't expect anything Cell based until after the PS3 hits the stores next year. OpenGL 2.0 and the new ways in which Tiger handles graphics should be strong theme.

What do I wish for?

I want a thin and light notebook based on the Freescale 8641D (http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/overview.jsp?code=DRPPCDUALCORE) . I won't get it the System on chip architecture is too alien to what Apple are using but it would be nice to dream that apple would do it and get the first Dual Core chip into a laptop.

As for recent Intel rumours, I don't think we'll get anything this time around but I reckon their discussions have been about XScale rather than pentium.

[Platform]

When is atcually the Keynote :confused: :confused:

[Darwin]

When is atcually the Keynote :confused: :confused:

Monday 6th June starting at 10am (Local time of course) :)

[gangst]

Not really.

Freescale rate it at 'at least 1.5Ghz' whereas they rate the 7447A in the current powerbooks as max 1.42Ghz.

Apple has always ran processors faster than what Moto/Freescale say is the max. Also, the 7448 has twice the L2 cache and a faster FSB. They're also making play about the AltiVec engine being able to execute two instructions out of order too but I can't remember if the 7447 did also.

Either way, you couldn't call it a backward step.

Even so...if the fastest current Powerbooks are running at 1.67ghz and motorola rates them at 1.42, then that means that Apple runs them 1.176x faster than moto does, if Apple runs these new 7448's 1.176x faster that still means we are only at 1.76ghz, ok they may have a bigger L2 cache and aa faster FSB (that will improve the Powerbook drastically), but other than that I don't think that makes enough change to CPU speed for Apple to only run 7448's at 1.76ghz. Anyways we'll find out next Monday.

[xrayzed]

That is fake, it's already been brought up in other threads.
The fact the story was logged "CUPERTINO, California—June 7, 2005" should have been a hint the author was messing with you. ;)

Still, we can always hope - until Monday at least, one way or the other.

[gsdali]

The bus speed of the 7448 is 200Mhz which means 2 Ghz witht he same multiplier. 200Mhz is still pretty bad. The Pentium M has an FSB of 400Mhz or 533Mhz. This is where the G4 falls down. It must spend half it's cycles drumming its fingers waiting for stuff to turn up from memory. The 8641D has dual on board 64bit DDR2 memory controllers runing at 667Mhz and that would scream. Still no chance of it happening.

[tdewey]

The bus speed of the 7448 is 200Mhz which means 2 Ghz witht he same multiplier. 200Mhz is still pretty bad. The Pentium M has an FSB of 400Mhz or 533Mhz. This is where the G4 falls down. It must spend half it's cycles drumming its fingers waiting for stuff to turn up from memory. The 8641D has dual on board 64bit DDR2 memory controllers runing at 667Mhz and that would scream. Still no chance of it happening.

Yeah, but I thought part of that was alleviated by the bigger L2 cache in the 7448. How much l2 cache does the 7447A have?

[gsdali]

7447A has 32kB L1 512kB L2
7448 has 32kB L1 1MB L2
e600 cores are the same of which the 8641D has two.

Sorry I made a really crucial error there.

[Platform]

Monday 6th June starting at 10am (Local time of course) :)

Ok Thanks.......well Mondays task = watch Keynote :p

[CmdrLaForge]

Even so...if the fastest current Powerbooks are running at 1.67ghz and motorola rates them at 1.42, then that means that Apple runs them 1.176x faster than moto does, if Apple runs these new 7448's 1.176x faster that still means we are only at 1.76ghz, ok they may have a bigger L2 cache and aa faster FSB (that will improve the Powerbook drastically), but other than that I don't think that makes enough change to CPU speed for Apple to only run 7448's at 1.76ghz. Anyways we'll find out next Monday.

or 1.8 ;)

[Mr Maui]

The fact the story was logged "CUPERTINO, California—June 7, 2005" should have been a hint the author was messing with you. ;)

Still, we can always hope - until Monday at least, one way or the other.
It was likely written that way to "hint" at an early "leak" or accidental early "post" to get people thinking it was real but not supposed to be posted till the day after the keynote was given. However, as I said in the other posts, it is terribly riddled with typos, including in the headline ("Availibility") and subhead ("Anticipitated"). Someone was looking for attention. Apple just might give it to them. :eek:

[gangst]

or 1.8 ;)

Fair enough...0.04ghz

[bikertwin]

Found this link on MacSurfer.com this morning:

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=technologyNews&storyID=2005-06-03T102059Z_01_TP335313_RTRIDST_0_TECH-TECH-TAIWAN-PORTABLE-DC.XML

Don't "negative" stories like this always appear a few days or weeks before some big new announcement? Or am I just paranoid? :D

[Peace]

Eweek has an opinion
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1823273,00.asp?kc=EWRSS03119TX1K0000594

[Dr.Gargoyle]

why not a revamped .mac?
$99/year for 250Mb is.... bad. If they dont to kill of this service they really need to do something about it.

[wdlove]

Eweek has an opinion
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1823273,00.asp?kc=EWRSS03119TX1K0000594

This Eweek article is certainly very interesting. Makes looking forward to the keynote on Monday even more exciting. If correct we may actually see the PPC 970 MP in a Power Mac. Still the PowerBook seems to be a long shot, but with Apple you never know for sure.
:cool:

[Mr Maui]

This Eweek article is certainly very interesting. Makes looking forward to the keynote on Monday even more exciting. If correct we may actually see the PPC 970 MP in a Power Mac. Still the PowerBook seems to be a long shot, but with Apple you never know for sure.
:cool:
I agree WD. I also think that no news / rumors make it very interesting too.

[rareflares]

people are saying that because there are no rumors, there must be nothing to report.

I find that very hard to believe. At a Steve Jobs keynote, there is ALWAYS something new announced (software or hardware). There are always rumors for these things.

Usually we get disappointing rumors that are then confirmed at the said event. But we rarely NEVER get any tidbit of news.


I'm hoping my reasoning is pretty accurate and that Apple really does have something in store for us.

[yvovandoorn]

Personally I don't see the new iBook until NECC at the end of June.

http://www.apple.com/education/necc/

[~Shard~]

Personally I don't see the new iBook until NECC at the end of June.

http://www.apple.com/education/necc/

Or the new iBook will already be released for said event, which means it could be announced at WWDC but not available/shipping for a couple weeks afterwards.

[maxvamp]

We had the TiBook, then the AiBook. We now present the PowerBook G5 with the new Teflon casing!!!

If your laptop is hot enough to fry eggs, at least they shouldn't stick!!!



:D :D :eek: :D

Max.

[iDeclare]

Appleinsider Predictions (http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1109) (article for those who have short-attention spans)

Well it appears that the [possible] rumors of 2 and 4gb shuffles are... reshuffling <drum roll> :rolleyes: That... and that itunes phone rumor that I wish with the white -hot intensity of a thousand suns would just die ;)

[riversky]

http://news.com.com/Apple+to+ditch+IBM%2C+switch+to+Intel+chips/2100-1006_3-5731398.html?tag=nefd.lede

WOW if this is true. Looks like Jobs believes IBM can't deliver the mobile platform. The dual core Intel Mobile's rock....Does this mean OS X on Dell!!

Wow!

[alexhazle]

WOW if this is true. Looks like Jobs believes IBM can't deliver the mobile platform. The dual core Intel Mobile's rock....Does this mean OS X on Dell!!

This would be a huge announcement for WWDC, if Jobs comes out an mentions a complete processor shift in the next few years. But I wouldnt hold my breath that Apple would ever allow its OS to run on another system. That is the major reason (maybe the only one) to own the much more expensive Apple system.

[ramuman]

Just because Apple is moving to x86 doesn't mean that OS X x86 will run on PCs. Several things could be done to prevent this. This is fantastic news imo. What would be a better laptop than a Pentium-M Apple laptop?

[Mac_Freak]

http://news.com.com/Apple+to+ditch+IBM%2C+switch+to+Intel+chips/2100-1006_3-5731398.html?tag=nefd.lede

WOW if this is true. Looks like Jobs believes IBM can't deliver the mobile platform. The dual core Intel Mobile's rock....Does this mean OS X on Dell!!

Wow!

Well, that will at least the war over which is better Wintell or OS X(on PowerPC) and it will and up on Winows vs. Mac OS X :D :) Which how it should be campered.
Also, that would mean that Apple would be in the same boat as everuone else, which might sound good now but there isn't much room for having better, faster hardware :( With IBM and PowerPC there is always a hope that of better processors than those x86

[Mac_Freak]

One more thing, why would Apple fight so hard to get as many developers to create software for their platform and then pull 180 on them with different architecture. That would certainly turn most of them away from Apple, if they had to rewrite their apps again.

[Cooknn]

I'm sure you've read the rumors that there was a secret OS X build that ran on x86. It seemed to me like Tiger was a long time coming for what we got <ducks for cover> :o My guess was always that Apple was working on Intel compatibility while OS X 10.4 was in development. I suppose that's not the case though, if news.com is correct and these new boxes don't hit 'til 2006. Should be a very interesting week coming up none the less :cool:

[Mac_Freak]

I'm sure you've read the rumors that there was a secret OS X build that ran on x86. It seemed to me like Tiger was a long time coming for what we got <ducks for cover> :o My guess was always that Apple was working on Intel compatibility while OS X 10.4 was in development. I suppose that's not the case though, if news.com is correct and these new boxes don't hit 'til 2006. Should be a very interesting week coming up none the less :cool:

I did read that story. I just feel that this switching platforms is a very risky thing to do, especially for Apple which is know for running on "alternative" hardware which is part of OS X/Apple theme. I have nothing against Intel or AMD, they both make great chips. There is something in switching to new OS and platform that is kind of exiting and surprising. At least it is how I felt when I switched about two years ago.
To be honest here I have to say that do want Apple to have the fastes hardware, but I just don't want it to be on the x86 side. Where is the fun there of being "different."

[skythefly13]

All I see coming from this is updated iBooks, new iPod shuffles w/ higher capacities, a high end photo editing software (think about it, they have video and audio, yet no image editors?), possibly updates to the Mac minis (More RAM?), and Apple will probably bring out some type of new product we arent expecting. They always seem to.

Hopefully there isnt anything new w/ powerbooks because I just got one lol.

[MontyZ]

A photo editing software would be interesting, but, I'm not sure Apple wants to pee on Adobe's shoes just yet. However, they could also take advantage of the preoccupation of Adobe with the Macromedia acquisition. Adobe just released CS2 which may also be a good way to steal Adobe's thunder.

But I wouldn't put high odds on it.

[~Shard~]

All I see coming from this is updated iBooks, new iPod shuffles w/ higher capacities, a high end photo editing software (think about it, they have video and audio, yet no image editors?), possibly updates to the Mac minis (More RAM?), and Apple will probably bring out some type of new product we arent expecting. They always seem to.

Hopefully there isnt anything new w/ powerbooks because I just got one lol.

And don't forget the little "one more thing" by Jobs which is the announcement of the switch to Intel from IBM. :eek: :cool:

[skythefly13]

A photo editing software would be interesting, but, I'm not sure Apple wants to pee on Adobe's shoes just yet. However, they could also take advantage of the preoccupation of Adobe with the Macromedia acquisition. Adobe just released CS2 which may also be a good way to steal Adobe's thunder.

But I wouldn't put high odds on it.
I've just never understood why they havent came out with an Image Editor yet, They have Garageband, Logic, iTunes, and Soundtrack mainly for Audio (I think I'm leaving one or two out)....and FCP, FCE, Not sure what is included in Final Cut Studio, iMovie and iDVD.
All there is for images is iPhoto lol what is this?

[skythefly13]

And don't forget the little "one more thing" by Jobs which is the announcement of the switch to Intel from IBM. :eek: :cool:
What is the main reasoning behind that anyways? Is it just to bump up the gHz or what?
(If it were to happen)

[~Shard~]

What is the main reasoning behind that anyways? Is it just to bump up the gHz or what?
(If it were to happen)

Feel free to read all 400+ comments here (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2005/06/20050603215703.shtml)! Great discussions going on that will answer your questions many times over - and more!

[skythefly13]

Feel free to read all 400+ comments here (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2005/06/20050603215703.shtml)! Great discussions going on that will answer your questions many times over - and more!
I'll pass lol

[~Shard~]

I'll pass lol

Aw come on, it makes for great reading! ;)

[drewyboy]

A PLASTIC Powerbook?? No way!
I am pretty confident that the aluminium and the solid industrial look are perhaps the reasons why people buy them. If Apple was to change that i don't think people would be so attracted to them anymore. When it comes to portable equipment, looks are as important as function.

I'm sorry if my explination was confusing. I ment that the new form of powerbooks would be alum, but the new iBooks might take old powerbook form, but might switch to plastic due to complaints..yada yada ya.. about wireless not being that great... also it would keep that sexy white look. Or they could just keep the alum. on which would be the new iBook line and just brush it white. But by all means.. yes the powerbooks are so sexy w/ the alum, i hope they keep it that way.

[denial]

I think the ibook will get a modest update, making it "Tiger" proof ie. 64mb Graphics card.

Apple Cinema Displays have just gone to "clearance" level at PC World (UK) making me believe that something is coming in that direction (17"? new, improved 20" and 23"?, further price falls?).

[icarus451]

I think you are right about the screens.

There's a surplus of TFTs on the market from overproduction - result is prices (both manufacturing and retail) are falling. Apple have also stopped promoting their CRT apple displays on their apple store - I think they may have gone all together!

I think there's a fair chance of Apple putting new screens in both the ibook and powerbook range. Almost certain that all new macs will become widescreen soon as apple are so committed to HD video.

Here's to 6pm GMT Monday!

[~Shard~]

I think there's a fair chance of Apple putting new screens in both the ibook and powerbook range. Almost certain that all new macs will become widescreen soon as apple are so committed to HD video.

It is the year of HD after all - this would be a welcome upgrade to both lines!

[Maxiseller]

Apple Screens are still well and truly there on the store by the way with no shipping delays, and as pricy as ever!

I think a 45" laviathon would be quite nice. To kick start the year of 'Crap, thats a big screen'.

It has some good marketing potential no?

[icarus451]

Isn't that the point of the Apple desktop anyway? Your screen is a visual representation of your desk. Documents, folder, trashcan etc.

I'm a graphic designer and I've said for years we're heading back to sitting over a drawing board. Only this time its going to be a huge screen.

Working at 90degrees to what you are working on isn't very natural anyway. The much talked about tablet is the first step.

[FFTT]

"Oh just one more thing!"

SJ turns to the crowd and reveals the All New Dual Core 64 bit

Apple iiBook! :rolleyes:

[jaw04005]

According to the .Mac member's page:

.Mac will be undergoing scheduled maintenance from 10:00 AM to 12:00 PM PST on Monday, June 6th. During this time iDisk will be intermittently unavailable. We apologize for the inconvenience.
Last Updated: 6/03/2005

Interesting that the "scheduled maintence" happens to be the same time that Steve Jobs will be delivering the WWDC keynote address.

[MontyZ]

It would be so kind if Steve Jobs would fix the Cinema Display defects first (especially the 23") before announcing any new displays.

[~Shard~]

According to the .Mac member's page:

.Mac will be undergoing scheduled maintenance from 10:00 AM to 12:00 PM PST on Monday, June 6th. During this time iDisk will be intermittently unavailable. We apologize for the inconvenience.
Last Updated: 6/03/2005

Interesting that the "scheduled maintence" happens to be the same time that Steve Jobs will be delivering the WWDC keynote address.

I'm sure it's just a coincidence... ;)

[wdlove]

According to the .Mac member's page:

.Mac will be undergoing scheduled maintenance from 10:00 AM to 12:00 PM PST on Monday, June 6th. During this time iDisk will be intermittently unavailable. We apologize for the inconvenience.
Last Updated: 6/03/2005

Interesting that the "scheduled maintenance" happens to be the same time that Steve Jobs will be delivering the WWDC keynote address.

Maybe this means that Apple is finally going to offer the larger capacity that members have been asking. The .Mac being down sounds comparable to the Store being down prior to updates. Don't think anyone will notice the downtime due to interest in WWDC.

[J-Squire]

According to the .Mac member's page:

.Mac will be undergoing scheduled maintenance from 10:00 AM to 12:00 PM PST on Monday, June 6th. During this time iDisk will be intermittently unavailable. We apologize for the inconvenience.
Last Updated: 6/03/2005

Interesting that the "scheduled maintence" happens to be the same time that Steve Jobs will be delivering the WWDC keynote address.

I am needing a reason to renew my membership again. I got a free .mac membership when i used to work at an apple reseller store, and then renewed it the year after while I was travelling overseas so i could continue to post pictures and updates of my trip to my homepage. I will be coming up to renewal again in a few months and currently have no reason to renew. There really isn't anything i use on .mac on a regular basis.

Any .mac members out there care to share with me what they find .mac handy for?

[bayol05]

Does anyone know (from past conferences) how long it will take for Apple to post a webcast of the Keynote on their website? Is there any chance that it will be available live during the keynote?

PS I'm hopin' for the 3 GHz Power Mac....ahhhhhhhhhhhh! :rolleyes:

[jaw04005]

I am needing a reason to renew my membership again. I got a free .mac membership when i used to work at an apple reseller store, and then renewed it the year after while I was travelling overseas so i could continue to post pictures and updates of my trip to my homepage. I will be coming up to renewal again in a few months and currently have no reason to renew. There really isn't anything i use on .mac on a regular basis.

Any .mac members out there care to share with me what they find .mac handy for?

I only use .Mac for email and sync services. But, I haven't been able to sync since installing 10.4. Apple assures me that they are aware of the problem, however it has been weeks and nothing has been resolved. Many other .Mac subscribers are running into the same problem with Tiger. :( I'm not so sure .Mac is worth its $99/year costs anymore, at least to me. Especially, since you can't even speak to a live person for support.

[aswitcher]

I only use .Mac for email and sync services. But, I haven't been able to sync since installing 10.4. Apple assures me that they are aware of the problem, however it has been weeks and nothing has been resolved. Many other .Mac subscribers are running into the same problem with Tiger. :( I'm not so sure .Mac is worth its $99/year costs anymore, at least to me. Especially, since you can't even speak to a live person for support.


Yeah, I am having synch problems as well. No Palm sync and weird errors with my .Mac email. I'll hang in there but its not very professional of them.

[Squire]

Any .mac members out there care to share with me what they find .mac handy for?

Hi, J-Squire,

I'd guess a lot of .mac subscribers are in the same boat. In fact, before my last renewal, I sent a "suggestion" to Apple about the amount of storage. (This was around the time Hotmail and Yahoo! accounts got a boost.) The iDisk/email space increased within a week-- purely coincidental, I'm sure.

One thing I've always enjoyed is the extras: Marble Blast, then PhotoStudio, and finally iBlog. I have a blog that my students can check out for reviewing class material. Nice but not worth a hundred bucks.

Another thing-- and I don't know if this is only available through .mac-- is the the Spotlight searching. This is worth it for me. But if you had the Mail app collect your email (ie. from another service) it would work anyway.

Finally, the learning Center is an absolute godsend for me. It was especially handy when I was newer to the system. Now, if I get the time, I'd like to check out the Tiger tutorials. (Side note: Have any of you noticed that the .mac exclusive widgets which were "coming soon" are no longer advertised on the .mac page?)

A hundred bucks/year is a lot of cash, and it becomes less and less useful the better a person gets at using the system.

Squire

[J-Squire]

(Side note: Have any of you noticed that the .mac exclusive widgets which were "coming soon" are no longer advertised on the .mac page?)
Squire

I was about to post a similar comment. I have been checking the .mac homepage every now and then to check if these "exclusive" widgets have been made available. I really hope they are still in the works, although I can't think of much that isn't simply available on dashboardwidgets.com or already available from apple's downloads area.

[bayol05]

Guys, I know I'm a newbie and its hard to take criticism from a newbie, but c'mon lets keep this discussion about wwdc and what we all want to see and have heard we will see....I'm still interested!
Thanks guys...

[~Shard~]

Hi, J-Squire,

<snip>

Squire

Is this a relative of yours Squire, or did you finally succeed in cloning yourself, my good friend? ;) :cool:

[Squire]

Guys, I know I'm a newbie and its hard to take criticism from a newbie, but c'mon lets keep this discussion about wwdc and what we all want to see and have heard we will see....I'm still interested!
Thanks guys...

We're speculating about possible WWDC .mac updates. So, although it's not as dramatic as a G5 Powerbook, it's still on topic.


Is this a relative of yours Squire, or did you finally succeed in cloning yourself, my good friend? ;) :cool:

Right on both counts ~Shard~: J-Squire is my dwarf evil twin, cloned not too long ago. We'll be featured in the new Powerbook G5 commercials.

Now that's off-topic.

Seriously, though, I just sold my house and was hoping to pick up a Mac to replace my aging iMac. If this Intel thing happens, I won't know what to do. I hope it's just the tablet rumors coming to their fruition. That would give me a nice new toy.

Squire

[~Shard~]

Right on both counts ~Shard~: J-Squire is my dwarf evil twin, cloned not too long ago. We'll be featured in the new Powerbook G5 commercials.

Now that's off-topic.

Seriously, though, I just sold my house and was hoping to pick up a Mac to replace my aging iMac. If this Intel thing happens, I won't know what to do. I hope it's just the tablet rumors coming to their fruition. That would give me a nice new toy.

Squire

Thanks for the info Squire, I appreciate it! :cool: And yah, I understand your dilemma - let's hope there's no difficult decision to be made for ya come Monday... Does your fate rest in Jobs' hands? :o

[Squire]

Does your fate rest in Jobs' hands? :o

Well, first my wife, then Jobs. ;)

My guess is that Apple is going to try and duplicate its iPod success with another must-have product. Hopefully, that's all the Intel talk is. So, here's my guess:

1) new device-- smaller than a tablet, larger than a PDA-- based on intel XScale technology, used as an AirTunes remote and stripped-down OSX handheld.

2) PowerBook G5

3) Lots of Tiger/iTunes/iPod talk.

4) Updated iBooks on Tuesday basically matching today's PB specs.

Squire

[newamiga]

It sure seems strange that we have not seen any of the usual pics of the venue.. at least the pics of the black covered banners.. are there any? I remember last year when they had the various 10.4 taunting banners aimed at MS.. I think they had them up by Sunday. So is anyone out there actually at the show and can you take a look.. post any pics of the venue at least .. or at least tell us if the posters or banners look to be there with black covers.. the lack of info is truly maddening.. :eek:

[slackpacker]

Well, first my wife, then Jobs. ;)

My
2) PowerBook G5
Squire


Oh how I wish its a Powerbook G5.... I'm Itching to spend moola.. :)


SP

[wdlove]

Does your fate rest in Jobs' hands? :o

No, my fate remains in the hand on Jesus. It's fun to follow this saga. At least we have less than 24 hours to find our future as its concerned with Apple.

[~Shard~]

No, my fate remains in the hand on Jesus. It's fun to follow this saga. At least we have less than 24 hours to find our future as its concerned with Apple.

Yep! And as I stated before (in another thread? Can''t keep them straight anymore...) it's a good thing Arn upgraded those servers when he did. I can only imagine what the load and activity will be tomorrow! :eek:

[wdlove]

Yep! And as I stated before (in another thread? Can''t keep them straight anymore...) it's a good thing Arn upgraded those servers when he did. I can only imagine what the load and activity will be tomorrow! :eek:

I imagine that arn will shut the forum down during the actual Keynote=, the same as with MWSF in January. Hopefully arn will offer the IRC chat and the real times update via MacRumors.

[~Shard~]

I imagine that arn will shut the forum down during the actual Keynote=, the same as with MWSF in January. Hopefully arn will offer the IRC chat and the real times update via MacRumors.

I would expect to see the low-bandwidth version up as well, just like last year (http://www.macrumors.com/events/wwdc2004.html).

[takao]

I imagine that arn will shut the forum down during the actual Keynote=, the same as with MWSF in January. Hopefully arn will offer the IRC chat and the real times update via MacRumors.

talking about IRC: anybody knows the server/channelname etc. and perhaps a good IRC client for panther ? (me = lazy)

[JDOG_]

I really just can't believe there's been NOTHING leaked of any sort in the past few days. I'm just thinking back to last year when there was sooo much information flying around.

I suppose its a good thing though. Last year the rumors were "meh." At least this time it'll be "Oh wow! meh."

Has anybody talked about Asteroid being introduced at this thing? I remember hearing stories of it coming out at some point in 2005, so what's a better time for it than summer?

[zap2]

WWDC happens
-iPod update
-iBook update
-PowerBook G5/duel core G4
-One computer thats runs an intel( the rest of the mac are on PPC)
-New wigets, 10.4.2??? other small stuff

[J-Squire]

I really just can't believe there's been NOTHING leaked of any sort in the past few days. I'm just thinking back to last year when there was sooo much information flying around.

I suppose its a good thing though. Last year the rumors were "meh." At least this time it'll be "Oh wow! meh."

Has anybody talked about Asteroid being introduced at this thing? I remember hearing stories of it coming out at some point in 2005, so what's a better time for it than summer?

I remember waking up at 3am to follow the macrumors live update of WWDC last year and getting to the end and just thinking "man that was a waste of time......no iMac G5s!?", as the iMac G5 was the device rumoured to be released. We got 45 minutes of core image and core audio talk, and then 15 minutes on the new displays, and that was it.

I agree that we seem to be going into this keynote blind. I have never known a keynote where there was so little speculation/suggestion/confirmation about products that were going to be launched. We have heard pretty much nothing on the rumour side for the last 2 weeks or so, and now all we have is the infamous "Intel" rumour, which we really don't know too much about, other than there is a possibility that apple will do something with intel chips.

Its going to be either a keynote full of suprises, or a dead keynote that talks about developer stuff for the whole time.

[me354]

WWDC
-updated ibooks
-Some portable device using intel(vpod?)
-dual processor powerbooks
-somthing big
-tiger 10.4.2

I'd say somthing like 3 of those will happen (hopefully) :cool:

[wdlove]

I really just can't believe there's been NOTHING leaked of any sort in the past few days. I'm just thinking back to last year when there was sooo much information flying around.

I suppose its a good thing though. Last year the rumors were "meh." At least this time it'll be "Oh wow! meh."

Has anybody talked about Asteroid being introduced at this thing? I remember hearing stories of it coming out at some point in 2005, so what's a better time for it than summer?

Apple's lawsuit against Think Secret has successfully put the damper on specific rumors this year.

Although the really big rumor going around is the affiliation with Intel. We just don't have any specifics. Steve always makes his Keynote exciting, don't think that he will disappoint.

[Squire]

WWDC
-updated ibooks
-Some portable device using intel(vpod?)
-dual processor powerbooks
-somthing big
-tiger 10.4.2

I'd say somthing like 3 of those will happen (hopefully) :cool:

I agree (especially the 2nd one). Perhaps add podcast-supported iTunes.

Squire

[Mike Teezie]

Will the keynote be streamed?

And if so, where could one watch it?

[bayol05]

Anybody think he's gunna announce a new PowerMac? If so, what do you think the updates will be? (besides 3.0 GHz of course ;) )

[iBunny]

Anybody think he's gunna announce a new PowerMac? If so, what do you think the updates will be? (besides 3.0 GHz of course ;) )

Yep! The Powermac Intel Edition! :eek: :D :D :D

[me354]

Originally Posted by bayol05
Anybody think he's gunna announce a new PowerMac? If so, what do you think the updates will be? (besides 3.0 GHz of course )

i would love to see this happen, im considering buying a Powermac in the next couple of months. It doesn't seem like its gonna happen though.....other products(ibook ect.) havnt been updated in a while I'd expect to see those come out first. :(

[amac4me]

WWDC
-updated ibooks
-Some portable device using intel(vpod?)
-dual processor powerbooks
-somthing big
-tiger 10.4.2

I'd say somthing like 3 of those will happen (hopefully) :cool:

I'd agree with you about updated iBooks and something big ... we'll just have to wait and see. Who knows what the discussions will be exactly 24 hours from now ... I can't wait

[~Shard~]

Will the keynote be streamed?

And if so, where could one watch it?

In the past, a live feed of WWDC has not been available. A complete copy of the Keynote will be made available on Apple's website shortly after it has concluded though, so you can watch it right there afterwards.

[aswitcher]

In the past, a live feed of WWDC has not been available. A complete copy of the Keynote will be made available on Apple's website shortly after it has concluded though, so you can watch it right there afterwards.


Yeah, get a chat client if you want to catch live updates.

[~Shard~]

Yeah, get a chat client if you want to catch live updates.

Or just join us here on MacRumors - I'm sure Arn will shut down the Forums and bring up the low-bandwidth version of the site as he has before for live updates.

[wdlove]

Or just join us here on MacRumors - I'm sure Arn will shut down the Forums and bring up the low-bandwidth version of the site as he has before for live updates.

I certainly hope that will be the case. That's the way that I followed MWSF. arn has shut down the forum in the past due to heavy traffic. Hopefully arn will announce something in the morning. Once he closes the forum, then he will give directions to IRC and the low bandwidth site.

[~Shard~]

I certainly hope that will be the case. That's the way that I followed MWSF. arn has shut down the forum in the past due to heavy traffic. Hopefully arn will announce something in the morning. Once he closes the forum, then he will give directions to IRC and the low bandwidth site.

I'm sure the link will be the same as last year's (http://www.macrumors.com/events/wwdc2004.html), just with 2005 instead of 2004. ;)

[MacAddict2000]

Hi, I'm new here, but let's cut to the chase...

Things I'd like to see coming up at WWDC:
- iPod photo w/ built-in camera (center button takes picture)
- Pages 2 w/ tremendous speed increases
- Updated iBooks and PowerBooks
- Eventhough it's highly unlikely, a PowerBook G5 w/ a cool (look and temperature wise) case
- Second update to Tiger, 10.4.2 w/ a more stable Finder
- Two-buttoned mouse with scroll tuchpad on the side (I have no use for this, but it would be cool. One button is superior.)
- Intel-based Macs if it promices a positive effect.

But...there is one more thing...
- The new indestry-leading 50-inch Apple Theatre HD Display
That would be awesome, but will NEVER happen. :(

[bartelby]

I agree (especially the 2nd one). Perhaps add podcast-supported iTunes.

Squire

They've already said the next version of iTunes will support podcasting...


"Apple says the next version of its iTunes music management program will give people a way to find and subscribe to podcasts, MP3 audio files online."

Link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4575075.stm)

[Squire]

They've already said the next version of iTunes will support podcasting...


"Apple says the next version of its iTunes music management program will give people a way to find and subscribe to podcasts, MP3 audio files online."

Link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4575075.stm)


I know. That was my point. I thought they might introduce it as up and running. Steve said to expect it within the next 60 days.

Hi, I'm new here, but let's cut to the chase...

Things I'd like to see coming up at WWDC:
- iPod photo w/ built-in camera (center button takes picture)
- Pages 2 w/ tremendous speed increases
- Updated iBooks and PowerBooks
- Eventhough it's highly unlikely, a PowerBook G5 w/ a cool (look and temperature wise) case
- Second update to Tiger, 10.4.2 w/ a more stable Finder
- Two-buttoned mouse with scroll tuchpad on the side (I have no use for this, but it would be cool. One button is superior.)
- Intel-based Macs if it promices a positive effect.

I think an iPod w/camera would take away from the simplicity that's made the device so popular in the first place. They'll be very careful about adding non-music functions to the iPod, I believe. As for Pages, I think they'll just keep giving free software updates until MWSF '06.

But...there is one more thing...
- The new indestry-leading 50-inch Apple Theatre HD Display
That would be awesome, but will NEVER happen. :(

People said the same thing about:
1) 17" Powerbooks (which this site scooped first, I believe), and...
2) 30" displays


Squire

[bartelby]

I know. That was my point. I thought they might introduce it as up and running. Steve said to expect it within the next 60 days.
Squire

Sorry, I mis-read your post...I hadn't had any coffee when I posted!!




Note to self: drink coffee before posting!!

[Squire]

Sorry, I mis-read your post...I hadn't had any coffee when I posted!!

No worries. After re-reading mine, I understand where you were coming from. It is I who should've had the java. (Funny, you always seem to understand your own posts, eh?)

Squire