how many countries, provinces, states have u been to? [Archive]

jefhatfield

Oct 18, 2002, 09:10 AM

Originally posted by dukestreet
A better question might be 'Have you never travelled out side your home state/country' I'm always amazed at the number of people who don't travel.

i live in a rural county just south of silicon valley and there are many people here who have never left the state

and many, many people still live in the same town they were born in, myself included...and i know a lot of the locals among the 4,400 people

when i first heard the jeff foxworthy jokes, i thought he was talking about my county...it all fit like a glove, people dating/lusting after cousins, lost dogs making the police log, etc :p ;) :D

mymemory

Oct 18, 2002, 09:17 AM

Every body need to travel here to some other country where you can't find Mac Donalds, consider that a good travel:)

jefhatfield

Oct 18, 2002, 09:23 AM

Originally posted by mymemory
Every body need to travel here to some other country where you can't find Mac Donalds, consider that a good travel:)

where would that be??

usa, japan, the uk, hawaiian islands in the middle of the ocean, canada, ...heck everywhere i have been is sure to have a mcdonald's nearby

even communist china has a mcdonald's:D

job

Oct 18, 2002, 09:24 AM

I've been to

England
Scotland
Poland
Ireland
Ukraine
Czech Republic
Hungary
Romania
Switzerland
Austria
Slovakia
Italy
Turkey
Egypt
Tunis
Greece
France
Lichtenstein
Andorra
Spain
Portugal
Germany
Belgium
Denmark
Norway
China
Malaysia
Australia
Thailand

I lived in Germany for 6 years and England for 2..

gbojim

Oct 18, 2002, 09:26 AM

Something I find kind of weird is that most people I have met seem to be at either end of the travel spectrum in that they travel extensively or hardly at all. I have travelled quite a bit - often for work - and find this to be pretty consistent throughout the world.

In answer to jefhatfield's original question - about 30 countries, all Canadian provinces and all US states except both Dakotas, New Mexico and Mississippi.

jefhatfield

Oct 18, 2002, 09:30 AM

Originally posted by gbojim
Something I find kind of weird is that most people I have met seem to be at either end of the travel spectrum in that they travel extensively or hardly at all. I have travelled quite a bit - often for work - and find this to be pretty consistent throughout the world.

In answer to jefhatfield's original question - about 30 countries, all Canadian provinces and all US states except both Dakotas, New Mexico and Mississippi.

that must be some sort of macrumors record...that's friggin amazing and may even beat out my brother and his travels...he reviews hotels and tourist activities and places to sightsee

what is it that you do?

jelloshotsrule

Oct 18, 2002, 09:42 AM

countries: germany, netherlands, croatia, bosnia, ghana, south korea, japan.

states: kansas, michigan, virginia, new jersey, new york, massachusetts, rhode island, ohio, wash. dc., pennsylvania, maryland, west virginia, south carolina, north carolina, florida, california, hawaii, arizona

guess that's it..

Mr. Anderson

Oct 18, 2002, 09:43 AM

Originally posted by mymemory
Every body need to travel here to some other country where you can't find Mac Donalds, consider that a good travel:)

Ha, that is good. I went to Fiji in 98 and was sad to see that they had 2, one in Nadi and the other in Suva. I've come to learn that they have a third now, near the University in Suva.

But I have been to a place that doesn't have a McDonalds - I went to Greenland a few years ago, and they pretty much don't have much of anything. Very cool place though, if you get a chance to go, I would recommend it.

D

robbieduncan

Oct 18, 2002, 10:02 AM

Countries: Scotland, England, France, Belgium, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Italy, Luxemburg, San Marino, Denmark, Holland, Czechoslovakia (when it was Communist), East Germany (also when it was Communist). Yugoslavia (for about 4 hours, before the war), USA and a few other minor principalities (Monaco and so on).

In the states I have only been to New York.

Mr. Anderson

Oct 18, 2002, 10:12 AM

I guess I should list them:

States:
Maine
New Hampshire
Vermont
Mass.
Rhode Island
Conn.
New York
New Jersey
Delaware
Penn.
Maryland
Virginia
West Virginia
Ohio
Indiana
Iowa
Illinois
Kentucky
North Carolina
South Carolina
Florida
Louisiana
Texas
Utah
California
Washington
Alaska
Nevada

Countries:
Canada - PEI, Ontario, Alberta, Nova Scotia
Dominican Republic
Fiji
France
Germany
Greece
Greenland
Italy
Scotland
South Africa

diorio

Oct 18, 2002, 03:14 PM

Originally posted by dukestreet
I guess I should list them:

States:
Maine
New Hampshire
Vermont
Mass.
Rhode Island
Conn.
New York
New Jersey
Delaware
Penn.
Maryland
Virginia
West Virginia
Ohio
Indiana
Iowa
Illinois
Kentucky
North Carolina
South Carolina
Florida
Louisiana
Texas
Utah
California
Washington
Alaska
Nevada

Countries:
Canada - PEI, Ontario, Alberta, Nova Scotia
Dominican Republic
Fiji
France
Germany
Greece
Greenland
Italy
Scotland
South Africa

You've been to all those states, but not Colorado!:eek: Colorado is a beautiful state, I live in Colorado (obviously), and have been to:
Utah
Nevada
New Mexico
Arizona
California
Kansas
Missouri

Never been out of the country, but I am probably going to England during spring break.

Mr. Anderson

Oct 18, 2002, 03:28 PM

On my list to visit some time soon - Oregon, Colorado, Arizona, New Mexico

Its just a matter of time, and I might even get to all the states at some point.

Shrek

Oct 18, 2002, 03:50 PM

not much of anywhere, for me. I've been in two countries (USA and Mexico), 0 Provinces, and about 30-something states (I haven't been in very many northern states and I've never been in Alaska or Hawaii. :().

Taft

Oct 18, 2002, 03:52 PM

Michigan (Upper AND Lower :))
Wisconsin
Minnisota
Illinois
Ohio
Indiana
Pennsylvania
Vermont
New Hampshire
Massachusetts
New York
North Dakota
South Dakota
Tennessee
Kentucky
Georgia
Florida
Washington, DC
Texas

I'm going to North Carolina in a few weeks.

I've been to four Canadian provinces, I believe, but I could be off on that. At least Quebec and wherever Toronto is.

Countries...
US
Canada
Mexico
Germany
Austria
Italy
Switzerland
France
The Netherlands
England

Taft

Kethoticus

Oct 18, 2002, 04:42 PM

I've never been off of US soil myself. I'd love to visit another country, though, as it's a great educational experience. Stereotypes tend to be blown away when you actually visit a given place.

But I have been around the US a bit. I lived in the NYC area most of my life (and boy do I miss it). I've visited the Cape Cod area of MA for a number of years. I've been to Miami a few times. I've visited Phoenix, San Francisco (beautiful city, if not a bit weird), San Diego, and now I live in Los Angeles. I'd like to visit Seattle and Chicago at some point, too.

Countries I'd like to visit are Egypt, Greece, some nation in southern Asia (not sure which one, perhaps Indonesia or Malaysia), Russia, and if they didn't kill Christians (not to mention other religious "dissidents"), China.

Of course, I think that any American traveling overseas is taking his/her life into their hands right now, so international trips are just going to have to wait.

Cursor

Oct 18, 2002, 05:44 PM

I have been to St. Lucia (West Indies), Canada, France, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, and Hungary. I have also visited Massachusettes, Vermont, New York, Maryland, Virginia, West Virginia, North and South Carolinas, Tennessee Georgia, Florida, and Washington.My favorite is Pennsylvania...there is no place like home!! :D

Rower_CPU

Oct 18, 2002, 06:51 PM

I'm waiting for the time/$ to start travelling more...:(

States:
California
Hawaii
Oregon
Washington
Nevada
Arizona
Utah
Idaho
Wyoming
Montana
Colorado
Massacheusetts
Rhode Island
Maryland

Countries:
US
Mexico

JamesDP

Oct 18, 2002, 07:10 PM

States:
California
Oregon
Washington
Idaho
Montana
Wyoming
Nevada
Utah
Arizona
New Mexico
Texas
Oklahoma
Louisiana
Arkansas
Missouri
Mississippi
Alabama
Tennessee
Kentucky
Illinois
Indiana
Ohio
Pennsylvania
New Jersey
New York

Countries:
Mexico

Mr. Anderson

Oct 18, 2002, 07:14 PM

Originally posted by Kethoticus
Of course, I think that any American traveling overseas is taking his/her life into their hands right now, so international trips are just going to have to wait.

If you let your fear rule you, you'll never see anything. It all depends on where you go, not all places are a problem, but there are some that you probably should avoid - just be smart. Oh, and be very careful if you go to Canada ;)

King Cobra

Oct 18, 2002, 07:40 PM

Home: New Jersey
New York
All of New England except Vermont
Penn.
MD
WV
VA
Sweden (no, Sweden in Maine, part of New England)

I might have also gone out of my mind, but I came back in a few days. :rolleyes: * LOL

job

Oct 18, 2002, 08:06 PM

Originally posted by King Cobra
Home: New Jersey
New York
All of New England except Vermont
Penn.
MD
WV
VA
Sweden (no, Sweden in Maine, part of New England)

I might have also gone out of my mind, but I came back in a few days. :rolleyes: * LOL

No overseas visits yet KC? ;) :p

DavidFDM

Oct 18, 2002, 08:26 PM

Countries: USA, England, Wales, Scotland, Ireland, France, Belgium, Netherlands, Germany, Denmark, Sweden and Norway.

States: Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Maryland, District of Columbia, Virginia, West Virginia, Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Kentucky, Tennessee, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Utah, Wyoming, South Dakota and Idaho.

Oddly enough I have never been to Canada, though I live in Maine.

Doctor Q

Oct 18, 2002, 10:33 PM

I've been to about 10 countries and 25 U.S. states.

More interesting, however, is that I once met a man who lived in the city of Lee Vining, California (http://www.leevining.com/). He told me that he had never been farther than the city of Bishop, which is only 65 miles away (see map (http://www.mapquest.com/directions/main.adp?do=rev&2n=Mono&1g=fUR4fmKN8lqXI4vFioJdEQ%3d%3d&1y=US&2s=CA&2c=Lee%20Vining&1l=5MO462Bfx3I%3d&1n=Inyo&2g=8t22b%2bLbNS6LjT56ve5pjA%3d%3d&did=1034997914&un=m&2y=US&1s=CA&1c=Bishop&2l=cspJUklpXVA%3d&go=1&ct=NA)). Never saw another state, never saw a big city, never saw the ocean! He didn't seem sad about it. Just not inclined to travel.

bousozoku

Oct 18, 2002, 10:39 PM

Japan: 5 prefectures
Canada: 1 province
Mexico: 1 state
U.S.A.: 43 states

and then, there's the state of confusion along with the state of hysteria, the state of euphoria...:D

Rajj

Oct 18, 2002, 11:12 PM

I have been to:
6 countries
38 states
310 cities;)
I don't feel like typing them out (Lazy)

I will be moving to Tokyo in two weeks:D
Most people call me a Nomad or an itinerant :mad: I just love to travel!!:D I look at it this way... Why wait until you get old and stank to travel??? When you can do it now!!! And I am only 21!!:p

scem0

Oct 18, 2002, 11:29 PM

Oh god, a lot of places:

Idaho
New York
Pennsylvania
France
England
Indonesia
Massachusettes
Mexico
New Mexico
Texas (where I live)
Canada
Yucatan Penninsula
Puérto Rico
Japan
Illinois
Oregon
Maine
Montana
Colorado
Utah
Nevada

Ummmmmm I think that's it. And I am only 15 :eek: :eek: :eek: :D .

Rajj

Oct 19, 2002, 01:50 AM

Originally posted by Doctor Q
I've been to about 10 countries and 25 U.S. states.

More interesting, however, is that I once met a man who lived in the city of Lee Vining, California (http://www.leevining.com/). He told me that he had never been farther than the city of Bishop, which is only 65 miles away (see map (http://www.mapquest.com/directions/main.adp?do=rev&2n=Mono&1g=fUR4fmKN8lqXI4vFioJdEQ%3d%3d&1y=US&2s=CA&2c=Lee%20Vining&1l=5MO462Bfx3I%3d&1n=Inyo&2g=8t22b%2bLbNS6LjT56ve5pjA%3d%3d&did=1034997914&un=m&2y=US&1s=CA&1c=Bishop&2l=cspJUklpXVA%3d&go=1&ct=NA)). Never saw another state, never saw a big city, never saw the ocean! He didn't seem sad about it. Just not inclined to travel.
I'm from the Midwest.......and most people from the Midwest (Indiana) haven't even been out of the state!!:rolleyes: :rolleyes: Pathetic if you ask me!!:cool:

strider42

Oct 19, 2002, 02:33 AM

in 19 days i drove 9250 miles and went through 33 states. I visited 6 different baseball parks and was on the radio every night calling into the Oakland A's aftergame show to tell them what we were up to. Totally fun time.

Besides those 33 states, i've been to a couple of others at various times in my life as well.

I've lived in Maryland, New york, california and canada. I've visited England and Ireland as my parents are from there.

Unfortunately I haven't seen other foriegn countries, but I have EU citizenship, so I intend on rectifiying that in the future.

bug2k

Oct 19, 2002, 05:48 AM

I live in the northern part of Norway, and I have been to Finland, Sweden and Denmark. It's expensive to travel in Norway, it costs me more to go to the capital in Norway (Oslo), than it does for ppl in Oslo to go for example US, Africa, Asia, Middle east or anyplace in Europe. I sure hate that, because I'd like to travel, but when I do, I cant afford to go further than Oslo. :(

jefhatfield

Oct 19, 2002, 06:27 AM

Originally posted by xrhajj
I have been to:
6 countries
38 states
310 cities;)
I don't feel like typing them out (Lazy)

I will be moving to Tokyo in two weeks:D
Most people call me a Nomad or an itinerant :mad: I just love to travel!!:D I look at it this way... Why wait until you get old and stank to travel??? When you can do it now!!! And I am only 21!!:p

310 cities...that's totally insane, i think

let me try ;)

EUROPE:

london, york, cardiff, bude, clovelly, brighton, oxford, cambridge, belfast, land's end,

EAST COAST USA:

bangor, richmond, washington dc, some city in montgomety county, mt vernon,

ASIA:

tokyo, kyoto, hiroshima, yokohama

PACIFIC ISLANDS:

honolulu, main city in kauai, hanlei,

CANADA:

some city in british columbia,

NEVADA:

reno, las vegas, carson city, lake tahoe,

FAR NO. CAL:

cotati, santa rosa, sebastopol, rohnert park, novato, petaluma, mill valley, san rafael, sausalito

SO. CAL:

san luis obispo, morro bay, templeton, san ardo, grover city, five cities, king city, gonzales, soledad, los osos, santa maria, nippomo, atascadero, avila beach (50 so far), shell beach,
santa barbara, goleta, carpenteria, city where westmont college is, ojai, ventura, oxnard, buellton, solvang, woodland hills, agoura hills, sherman oaks, studio city, hollywood, pasadena, reseda, los angeles, west hollywood, westwood, malibu, santa monica, long beach, san diego, del mar, san clemente, calabasas, venice beach

NO CAL:

san francisco, oakland, san jose, sunnyvale, santa clara, los altos, los altos hills, redwood city, morgan hill, city next to morgan hill, livermore, plesanton, walnut creek, cupertino...ya know, south san francisco, palo alto, berkeley, santa cruz, scott's valley, san mateo, burlingame, sacramento (100), stockton, yosemite, independence,
monterey, carmel, pacific grove, sand city, seaside, salinas, carmel valley, carmel highlands, big sur, marina, castroville, watsonville, moss landing, del rey oaks, sprekles, prundale, san juan bautista, chular, hollister, gorda, los gatos, gilroy, stinson beach

OTHERS, i forgot to categorize:

and camarillo, cambria, pacifica, bonny doon, hayward, union city, fremont, felton, boulder creek, capitola, soquel, freedom, lompoc, osaka, surrey, bristol, saratoga, anaheim, greenfield, van nuys, pasadena, pleasant hill, stanford, east palo alto (150), danville

note: i split northern and southern california somewhere in the middle of monterey county, california

off the top of my head that is 151 cities i have been to in usa & hawaii, canada, europe, and asia...some i lodged in and some i passed thru by car or bus

kiwi_the_iwik

Oct 19, 2002, 07:20 AM

I'm onto my 4th passport.

Countries visited/lived in:
New Zealand
Australia
New Caledonia
Malaysia
Thailand
United States (including Alaska, US Virgin Islands & Puerto Rico)
Canada
Mexico
Peru
Chile
Argentina
South Africa
Mozambique
Zimbabwe
Zambia
Botswana
England (Including Northern Ireland)
Ireland
Scotland
Wales
Sudan
Egypt
Israel
Italy
France
Greece
Belgium
Netherlands
Norway
Germany (East & West)
Czech Republic
Poland
Austria
Switzerland
Liechtenstein
Luxembourg
Spain
Bolivia
South Korea
Oman
Bahrain
Saudi Arabia
Jamaica

Sorry - that's all I can think of....

scem0

Oct 19, 2002, 01:41 PM

Originally posted by kiwi_the_iwik
I'm onto my 4th passport.

...

Sorry - that's all I can think of....

I see someone enjoys traveling....

topicolo

Oct 19, 2002, 01:59 PM

Here's my 2 cents:

I've been to

New York
Maine
Florida
Nova Scotia
New Brunswick
PEI
Quebec
Ontario
British Columbia
Japan
China

Rajj

Oct 19, 2002, 02:09 PM

Originally posted by kiwi_the_iwik
I'm onto my 4th passport.

Countries visited/lived in:
New Zealand
Australia
New Caledonia
Malaysia
Thailand
United States (including Alaska, US Virgin Islands & Puerto Rico)
Canada
Mexico
Peru
Chile
Argentina
South Africa
Mozambique
Zimbabwe
Zambia
Botswana
England (Including Northern Ireland)
Ireland
Scotland
Wales
Sudan
Egypt
Israel
Italy
France
Greece
Belgium
Netherlands
Norway
Germany (East & West)
Czech Republic
Poland
Austria
Switzerland
Liechtenstein
Luxembourg
Spain
Bolivia
South Korea
Oman
Bahrain
Saudi Arabia
Jamaica

Sorry - that's all I can think of....

Damn Dude.... What is your occupation?
I bet you had a lot of fun!!:D
BTW.... I a lot of those cities are on my to visit list!!:p

finchna

Oct 19, 2002, 02:24 PM

I've been to 49 states--all but Hawaii (one of these days). I've traveled along most of Hwy 1 in Canada (5 provinces) and the Yukon and Quebec, and visited a bit of Mexico. My single overseas (passport) trip was to Bogota, Colombia (and surrounding area). I'm hoping for more passport travel in the not too distant future.

Nathan

kiwi_the_iwik

Oct 20, 2002, 08:46 AM

Originally posted by xrhajj

Damn Dude.... What is your occupation?
I bet you had a lot of fun!!:D
BTW.... I a lot of those cities are on my to visit list!!:p

Well - I work as a Lighting TV Cameraman in the UK. And because of that, I get to do an awful lot of travelling. In fact, next on the list looks like being Iraq...

It's definitely the best kept secret around as far as being amongst one of the best jobs you can get. The pay's OK, and the benefits are good (as you can see). But there are downsides - one of them is standing outside the High Court - in the rain! But usually, you get to do things that people normally wouldn't do - i.e. going down 10,000 feet in a gold mine near Johannesburg, or flying Mach 1 at 65,000 feet in a jet over Wichita, Kansas.

I suppose it's sort of like being in the Army - you go interesting places, meet interesting people, and shoot them...

;)

britboy

Oct 20, 2002, 09:26 AM

To date i've been to/lived in:

England
Wales
Scotland
France
Spain
Italy
Germany
Switzerland
Hungary
Liechtenstein
Tunisia
Egypt
Yemen
U.A.E
Saudi Arabia
Oman
Jordan
Israel
Syria
Lebanon
America
Mexico
Venezuela
Finland
Norway
Sweden
Austria
Andorra
Sudan
Holland
Belgium
Denmark
Aruba

I think that's it, so far..... give me a few more years and with any luck i'll have had a chance to go east a little bit more. I've yet to see any of australasia and the far east. Soon........ ;)

elfin buddy

Oct 20, 2002, 09:41 AM

I've been to all 10 of Canada's provinces (Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, PEI, New Brunswick, Quebec, Ontario, Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Alberta, British Columbia), but neither of the territories. I've been to Maine, New York (state), and Hawaii (the big island and the island with Honolulu on it) in the USA. I've been to both the North and South islands of New Zealand. I've also been all along the East coast of Australia (I lived on the Gold Coast for 6 months), but I forget the names of its states.

jefhatfield

Oct 20, 2002, 10:57 AM

Originally posted by elfin buddy
I've been to all 10 of Canada's provinces (Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, PEI, New Brunswick, Quebec, Ontario, Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Alberta, British Columbia), but neither of the territories. I've been to Maine, New York (state), and Hawaii (the big island and the island with Honolulu on it) in the USA. I've been to both the North and South islands of New Zealand. I've also been all along the East coast of Australia (I lived on the Gold Coast for 6 months), but I forget the names of its states.

what's PEI?

Rajj

Oct 20, 2002, 11:04 AM

Originally posted by jefhatfield

what's PEI?

Prince Edward Island!!:rolleyes: :p :D

losfp

Oct 20, 2002, 08:32 PM

Pretty feeble list, but I'll give it a go.

I live in Sydney, Australia - I have done the East/South Coast of Australia, so Queensland, New South Wales, Victoria, South Australia. Oh and the ACT, if you must.

I was born in Malaysia - so I've been to the western states of the main peninsula thingie. Been to Singapore a number of times.

In January, the girlfriend and I went on one of those south pacific cruises, so visited Vanuatu and New Caledonia (Noumea, Lifou). Very cool. We're thinking of some sort of Alaskan cruise that leaves from Vancouver. 'course that will have to wait till I've saved up (PowerBook first, THEN cruise). so maybe in a year or 2.

shadowfax

Oct 21, 2002, 12:05 AM

17 years old and been to:

States:
Arizona
Arkansas
Colorado
Kansas
Louisiana
Missouri
Mississippi
New Mexico
New Jersey(airport only)
Oklahoma
Texas

Countries:
Austria
Czech Republic
Germany
Mexico
Switzerland (airport only)
USA

shadowfax

Oct 21, 2002, 12:12 AM

Originally posted by gbojim
Something I find kind of weird is that most people I have met seem to be at either end of the travel spectrum in that they travel extensively or hardly at all. I have travelled quite a bit - often for work - and find this to be pretty consistent throughout the world.
In answer to jefhatfield's original question - about 30 countries, all Canadian provinces and all US states except both Dakotas, New Mexico and Mississippi.

god man, go to northern new mexico, you are REALLY missing out. as far as MS, though, don't bother. i wouldn't know about the dakotas.

seriously, i lived 10 years of my life in southern NM; it's wonderful.. but northern new mexico, with the four seasons (seasons, not the hotel), beautiful mesas and mountains, and cool museums... i dunno, i feel tied to that place, it's the only place i have ever lived that i miss not just for the people but for the place.

buffsldr

Oct 21, 2002, 01:10 AM

But these answers are misleading, for example, some of these states i saw long enough to fill up my tank and drive through, or i just landed at the airport. And what about europe. once you are there, it can be very easy to see many countries....

I think an interesting question would be.... what continents have you been to? In my case... North America, Europe, and Asia. I would love to get to Australia.

Countries:
USA, England, West Germany (at the time it was), Italy, East Germany (at the time it was), Holland, Mexico, Greece, and Japan (going to canada this month)

States
Washington, Idaho, Oregon, California, Utah, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, Florida, Georgia, New York, Pennsylvania, Maryland, District of Columbia (not a state of course), Hawaii, Colorado, Kansas, Missouri, Virginia, Ohio, Illinois, Minnesota, Wyoming, Nevada, nebraska, kentucky

MacBandit

Oct 21, 2002, 01:12 AM

USA:
Oregon (I live here)
Washington
California
Idaho
Nevada
Arizona
Montana
Colorado
Wyoming
Utah
Tennessee
Florida
Georgia (Airport)
Minnesota (Airport)

Canada:
British Columbia
Alberta

I hope to expand the countries real soon.

I had a brother in law once who had never been more then an hour from his home (Forest Grove, OR) at the age of 30 something. He traveled with my father in law down to my parents ranch in Christmas Valley, OR once. This is about 5 hours from his home. On the way there they went across a cattle gard and it made him jump out of his pants. He had never heard or seen of a cattle gard before. To this day it makes me laugh.

groovebuster

Oct 21, 2002, 03:45 AM

Originally posted by kiwi_the_iwik

Germany (East & West)

There is no east and west anymore! ;) So it must be at least 13 years ago...

groovebuster

groovebuster

Oct 21, 2002, 03:58 AM

Hmmm.... I hope I don't forget any countries...

I'm living in Germany and travelled:

Canada
France
Monaco
Poland
Russia
Greece
Turkey
Croatia
Italy
Spain
Portugal
Belgium
Netherlands
Luxembourg
Czechia
Austria
Switzerland
Lichtenstein
Denmark
Sweden
Norway
UK
Ireland
Israel
USA
Mexico
Jamaica
Australia
Dominican Republic
Singapore
Egypt

... and more to come! :)

In the next future (hopefully) some countries in Asia or South America... Africa so far never really interested me... but maybe that will change some day... At least we have a sponsorship for a kid (girl) in Kenya through an international organisation to give her a chance for a better life.

groovebuster

kansaigaijin

Oct 21, 2002, 05:03 AM

Canada, BC, Alberta, Sask, Manitoba, Ontario, Quebec, N.W.T

USA, Washington, Oregon, Cali, Nevada, Utah, Idaho, Colorado, Montana, Wyoming, North Dakota, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Michigan, New York, New Jersey, Conneticut, RI, Mass.,

England
Scotland
France
Monaco
Italy
Spain (and Ceuta, in Africa*)
Belgium
Netherlands
Germany
Iceland
Austria
Switzerland

and Japan, Kyoto, Tokyo, Mie, Shiga, Wakayama, Osaka, Hyogo, Hiroshima( I don't count traveling through on the shinkansen as being there)

Shanghai is next!

dobbin

Oct 21, 2002, 06:12 AM

I have been all over Europe and I think a lot of British people have been to continental Europe at least once.

I've heard that fewer than 10% of Americans have ever been abroad or even own a passport. I think this is because there is a much bigger variation in culture and climate within the US and so you don't need to go abroad to see different things.

I went to Kansas City and Phoenix for 3 days each with my old job and the difference in weather was incredible.

Mr. Anderson

Oct 21, 2002, 07:47 AM

Originally posted by dobbin
I've heard that fewer than 10% of Americans have ever been abroad or even own a passport. I think this is because there is a much bigger variation in culture and climate within the US and so you don't need to go abroad to see different things.

I went to Kansas City and Phoenix for 3 days each with my old job and the difference in weather was incredible.

Ha, now there's a sampling of American culture! The midwest and the desert. But there really is so much to see in the US, huge diversity and amazing National Parks. But for really appreciating culture, its best to go to Europe where you can stay in a city that's been around for a 1000 years or more instead of one that's only been around for a couple centuries.

D

groovebuster

Oct 21, 2002, 08:33 AM

Originally posted by dobbin
I think this is because there is a much bigger variation in culture and climate within the US and so you don't need to go abroad to see different things.

I wonder how you can say something like that, when you have been all over Europe already, as you stated yourself. Where is that bigger variation in culture you are talking about? I never found it on my trips to the US. Most countries here in Europe have bigger variations in culture within the country than the US, although they are way smaller, not to mention that you just have to go a couple of kilometers to cross a border and you are in a totally different world again. Almost everywhere you go you have places that faced hundreds or sometimes even thousands of years of human history.

Of course you have nice places in the US, the landscapes are breath-taking, but we also have that here in Europe. The thing that bothered me the most when I visited the US was... no matter where you go, all the places (the cities) look somehow the same (there are some exceptions from the rule, especially old cities with an old down-town, but they are rare). The same houses, the same cars, the same malls.... also (somehow) the same language. Sometimes you couldn't tell where in the US you really are, if you wouldn't have a map telling you.

No offense, but for europeans the US don't offer a lot from a cultural point of view... Mostly the reason why I resisted to move to North America (including Canada) so far. You can travel thousands of miles and you don't even notice that you are somewhere else, before you talk to someone and maybe have problems to understand his slang, because you never heard it before... ;)
Reminds me of an old farmer I talked to in Alabama. I guess he talked something you could compare to bavarian in relation to "proper" german. ;) Jesus, that man gave me a hard time! And always when I didn't understand him he was complaining that I should have learned proper english before I came to visit the US! ... and that from someone who never went further than the next big town in his life (about 60 miles). :D

But he was nice, although he "had times when a german would have been shot right away" by him! Made me feel a bit uncomfortable the first moment, because he asked if he should show his gun to me right after... But it turned out that he really only wanted to show it to me because he was all proud of it ... :)

groovebuster

kansaigaijin

Oct 21, 2002, 08:39 AM

I think it was Harpers magazine where I saw that it was 5%! compared to 20% of Canadians.

It would be cool if the Index was searchable, I could check it.

macmax

Oct 21, 2002, 10:16 AM

14 countries

Mr. Anderson

Oct 21, 2002, 10:43 AM

Regional differences in the states aren't as profound as in Europe - because it the country is too young - the country side is more insteresting sometimes than any 'culture' you might find. I've been from Florida to Alaska, and honestly, except for the lack of palm trees, parts of anchorage look exactly like parts of Ft. Lauderdale.

Its too bad, but once in a while, its nice to know that something you're familliar with will be there were ever you go. It makes 'getting away' to another culture - Europe, Asia, etc. all the more enjoyable, more of an adventure. I just wish it wasn't as dangerous to travel more. I might be getting to Paris in the next couple months, I hope.

D

groovebuster

Oct 21, 2002, 11:14 AM

Originally posted by dukestreet
Regional differences in the states aren't as profound as in Europe - because it the country is too young - the country side is more insteresting sometimes than any 'culture' you might find. I've been from Florida to Alaska, and honestly, except for the lack of palm trees, parts of anchorage look exactly like parts of Ft. Lauderdale.

That's exactly what I meant... maybe the landscape is different, but that's about it in most cases... But most things we have here in Europe too, so there is no need to go that far to see mountains or the sea. And as a nice side-effect you almost always have to go to another country to see all these things. To imagine I would go to Portugal and the people would talk german and everything would look just like at home, except the palms and the landscape... No, I can't imagine it, it would be.... boring. I guess. But when you don't know it differently, it's just normal.

Its too bad, but once in a while, its nice to know that something you're familliar with will be there were ever you go.

Maybe... but I think this also the reason for the (sorry, when I am that direct) the ignorance of some of your US fellows. They can travel thousands of miles without any cultural change, so it makes them forget, that there is a world outside the US that is different, with other rules, other people, other values. To live almost on an "island", isolated far away from the rest of the world can be very bad sometimes for open-mindedness.

It makes 'getting away' to another culture - Europe, Asia, etc. all the more enjoyable, more of an adventure. I just wish it wasn't as dangerous to travel more. I might be getting to Paris in the next couple months, I hope.

Dangerous? I think it really depends on where you go... I don't think that travelling is any more dangerous these days compared to a few years ago. The dangerous places changed, but not the threats. There are so many places that are normally not dangerous to travel. So don't worry, just pick the right places and enjoy that you are in a different environment! :)

groovebuster

Mr. Anderson

Oct 21, 2002, 11:28 AM

Originally posted by groovebuster

Dangerous? I think it really depends on where you go... I don't think that travelling is any more dangerous these days compared to a few years ago. The dangerous places changed, but not the threats. There are so many places that are normally not dangerous to travel. So don't worry, just pick the right places and enjoy that you are in a different environment! :)

maybe I should have said more dangerous - and especially as an American. And all this going on isn't going to stop me from travelling, it just makes destinations like Egypt - some place I really want to see - not practical. South America is not a good place to be, kidnappings are a real problem because as an American the price on your head is quite high and tempting for a number of people. I have a friend who travels down to S. America regularly and she is escorted by company security every time she goes. And they have rental cars with bullet proof glass to deter car jacking. Crazy ;(

But Europe is no more dangerous than the US these days, and that's why we'll be trying for Paris soon, I hope. And on the horizen is Spain and Russia (some friends just moved there for a couple years).

D

Rajj

Oct 21, 2002, 12:15 PM

Originally posted by groovebuster

Maybe... but I think this also the reason for the (sorry, when I am that direct) the ignorance of some of your US fellows. They can travel thousands of miles without any cultural change, so it makes them forget, that there is a world outside the US that is different, with other rules, other people, other values. To live almost on an "island", isolated far away from the rest of the world can be very bad sometimes for open-mindedness.

groovebuster

I totally concur with you on this statement!!!;)

My cousin was in the Army for 13 years....and he told me when he was station in Italy, he fell in love with the people... and especially the women!!! :pHe also told if would not have been for his daughter, that he would have stayed over there!! :cool:

groovebuster

Oct 22, 2002, 01:54 AM

Originally posted by xrhajj
I totally concur with you on this statement!!!;)

Of course.... ;)

My cousin was in the Army for 13 years....and he told me when he was station in Italy, he fell in love with the people... and especially the women!!! :pHe also told if would not have been for his daughter, that he would have stayed over there!! :cool:

That's what I learned from a lot of people from the US who lived in Europe for a while. Most of them were considering to stay here after they got "their feet wet" with different european countries. I know several GIs from the time before the reunification of Germany who stayed here and still are.

My wife is from Canada (Ottawa) and she loves to live in Berlin. The only thing she is missing is the untouched nature and her own house (you have to rob a bank or to be a drug dealer to buy a house in Germany, close to a big city in a good condition and big enough for a whole family, including a nice back-yard you have to pay 400.000$ and up)... but that's about it. She still wants to go back one day (it's her home-country) but I noticed that the wish is losing it's significance over the time. But still, Canada is a great place to live. I already discussed with my wife, that if we maybe move there in a few years, the only place that would be considerable is Montreal. A very nice city, very european compared to the most other cities in North America and a rich cultural life. And at least I wouldn't have to talk english the whole day... ;)

groovebuster

MacBandit

Oct 22, 2002, 02:12 AM

Originally posted by groovebuster

But still, Canada is a great place to live. I already discussed with my wife, that if we maybe move there in a few years, the only place that would be considerable is Montreal. A very nice city, very european compared to the most other cities in North America and a rich cultural life. And at least I wouldn't have to talk english the whole day... ;)

groovebuster

I don't understand peoples desire to live in or near big cities. Maybe you could explain this to me. To me the perfect place is a place where you can step out your door and be in the wild. No people no cars nothing. Then drive 15-25 miles ot a medium sized city with everything a person could need, get what you need and go home.

groovebuster

Oct 22, 2002, 04:39 AM

Originally posted by MacBandit
I don't understand peoples desire to live in or near big cities. Maybe you could explain this to me. To me the perfect place is a place where you can step out your door and be in the wild. No people no cars nothing. Then drive 15-25 miles ot a medium sized city with everything a person could need, get what you need and go home.

Hmmm... I guess that depends on the point of view. Of course I also would prefer to live at a really nice place in the middle of nowhere... BUT:

1. When you have kids it is a lot better for them when they have access to other kids their age and not a too long way to school and other places.

2. Read above about the cultural thing. The only cultural life you have in the wilderness is the mating of the birds. For me that is not enough to stay happy. I worked as a pro musician for years and I need the diversity of a metropole. I also hope to pick up again sometimes my work as a musician one day. I need mindfood on an artistic base. Something that a small city normally can't offer. No concerts, no theaters, no jazz clubs... I would die a slow and painful mental death. Going to the weekly country night with almost always the same bad band in the town's only pub is not what I consider an appealing cultural diversity... if you know what I mean?

3. For my kind of work I doubt to get enough contracts to survive in a region that has more than 50% of it's workforce in farming or other food-production (as an example).

That's why I prefer to live near a big city. It is a compromise between different needs. I never could imagine to live in the middle of a big city again (too loud, too dirty, too fast) as well as living in the boonies. I hope I was able to explain it well enough to make you understand my point of view.

groovebuster

Mr. Anderson

Oct 22, 2002, 08:23 AM

MacBandit

Oct 22, 2002, 10:16 AM

Originally posted by groovebuster

Hmmm... I guess that depends on the point of view. Of course I also would prefer to live at a really nice place in the middle of nowhere... BUT:

1. When you have kids it is a lot better for them when they have access to other kids their age and not a too long way to school and other places.

2. Read above about the cultural thing. The only cultural life you have in the wilderness is the mating of the birds. For me that is not enough to stay happy. I worked as a pro musician for years and I need the diversity of a metropole. I also hope to pick up again sometimes my work as a musician one day. I need mindfood on an artistic base. Something that a small city normally can't offer. No concerts, no theaters, no jazz clubs... I would die a slow and painful mental death. Going to the weekly country night with almost always the same bad band in the town's only pub is not what I consider an appealing cultural diversity... if you know what I mean?

3. For my kind of work I doubt to get enough contracts to survive in a region that has more than 50% of it's workforce in farming or other food-production (as an example).

That's why I prefer to live near a big city. It is a compromise between different needs. I never could imagine to live in the middle of a big city again (too loud, too dirty, too fast) as well as living in the boonies. I hope I was able to explain it well enough to make you understand my point of view.

groovebuster

A small city that I'm talking about is 175,000 people and it is a hub for musicians and artists for the Pacific NW. Schools are everywhere here even out in the country. I'm talking about the extreme edge of the suburbs for a small city. Not in the urban sprawl because there really is none. Every house in the area I grew up had 10-50acres or more.

MacBandit

Oct 22, 2002, 10:19 AM

Originally posted by dukestreet

I can walk to everything I need and live in a older part of town that has some buildings from the 1700s (ancient by US standards). You have a sense of community and I can drive 15-30 minutes to go someplace that has wide open spaces.

Its all about personal preference. I grew up in Connecticut in a largely wooded area and it was fine, but now as a home owner, I have no desire to spend my weekends in the yard taking care of it. I'd rather do other things.

D

See that may be a difference between what people consider country on the East coast and what people consider country in the Pacific NW. You don't take care of your yard here that would be rediculous trying to maintain 16acres. You might prune an Apple tree now and then or mow right around the house. I can understand the desire to be able to walk to things but traffic and noise and everything is quite irritating. Also there is no greater since of community then there is among a bunch of country folk.

Thank you for posting your oppinions I'm just looking for something that will give me a real reason for living in or near a city. So far I haven't seen one but it doesn't mean you people don't have your own reasons for where you live that I am unable to understand.

mangis

Oct 22, 2002, 10:47 AM

In general, I only count a place if I stay there for more than 24 hours.

Airports certainly do not count.

Taht being said, I have been in 30 countries and 30 States. Most of Canada, and over 65 Japanese cities.

I also like to count countries where I have lived. The rule for me here is over one month in a country. For me this includes:

US
Thailand
Japan
Indonesia
India

5 countries and counting

Rajj

Oct 22, 2002, 10:52 AM

Originally posted by MacBandit

I'm just looking for something that will give me a real reason for living in or near a city. So far I haven't seen one but it doesn't mean you people don't have your own reasons for where you live that I am unable to understand.

One word…. Expediency!!!:D ;)

All places have their pros and cons… It really all depends on were you grew up at and what you are a custom to!! ;)

Ovi

Oct 22, 2002, 11:01 AM

jefhatfield

Oct 22, 2002, 11:56 AM

Originally posted by mangis
In general, I only count a place if I stay there for more than 24 hours.

Airports certainly do not count.

but a lot of the cute local chicks work the hertz counters at airports everywhere:p

colocolo

Oct 22, 2002, 12:45 PM

Originally posted by dukestreet

South America is not a good place to be, kidnappings are a real problem because as an American the price on your head is quite high and tempting for a number of people. I have a friend who travels down to S. America regularly and she is escorted by company security every time she goes. And they have rental cars with bullet proof glass to deter car jacking. Crazy ;(

D

By talking about South America you are talking about a superset of the problem. The real issue is that people tend to think that Colombia is a direct reflection of what happens in the rest of the continent.

Want to get kidnapped/killed over drugs? Go to Colombia.

Want to get your car stolen? Go to Paraguay.

Most countries are fairly safe, specially Chile.
In my 25 years I have only heard of 1 case of kidnapping, and that was a long time ago.

I travel a lot to the US, I've been there around 20 times as half my family lives over there, and I must say generally I feel the streets are much safer over here.. unless you go to Disney of course, or some place like that ;)

Norrkia

Oct 22, 2002, 01:10 PM

South America is not such a dangerous place. Some countries, such as Colombia i suppose are.... but you have to know where your going.... therefore you cant say that the continent is dangerous . In fact, most americans who come over here for vacations end up coming back, and some return to live. finally... what can I say... at least i can go out and get gas and not be scared im gonna be shot in the head

Norrkia

Oct 22, 2002, 01:19 PM

Mr. Anderson

Oct 22, 2002, 01:20 PM

Sorry, I was being general - and I shouldn't have. I was getting my info second hand through my friend who travels, but she's a VicePresident for her company and therefore is a higher profile or has more people worrying about her. I know that its not always the case everywhere and travelling smart avoids a lot of the problems.

D

colocolo

Oct 22, 2002, 01:47 PM

that Chile is so particularly safe due to the fact that we count with some
special defenders (http://200.54.206.87:3000/~colocolo/peleachica.mov) ....

:D :D :D

dreamlance

Oct 22, 2002, 01:50 PM

Military brat, got shipped with my dad's boots.

Lived in Germany, visited England, France, Switzerland and...Denmark (hey I was 5 at the time, I was happy to be playing in the snow).

Stateside: currently living in Louisiana. Been to TX (also lived there), GA (ditto), Mississippi, AL, FL, SC, NC, DC, VA, WV, TN, KY, OK, NE, Kansas, CO, Wyoming (beautiful), AZ, NM, SD (born there), Idaho, Minnesota (the last two being airpot stops).

Intending on visiting Japan and Australia sometime in my life. Spain too. If Cuba wasn't so hard to get into I'd go visit my dad's homeland.

Doctor Q

Oct 22, 2002, 04:24 PM

Regarding whether to live in a big city, small city, or out in the countryside...

Each has advantages and disadvantages, e.g., a million restaurants and theaters in the big city, a feeling of community in the small city, fresh air in the countryside, etc. We could debate the tradeoffs endlessly (I don't suggest we do).

I think that any well-rounded person should experience some of each. Where you decide to live can be based on which environment you want to experience most of the time. When you want the others, take your car, train, bicycle, or rocket-propelled skateboard and go there.

Of course, if you spend all day every day glued to your Mac visiting MacRumors, it doesn't matter what's outside the window! Which reminds me, I think I'll go outside for a breath of nice fresh smog. Back soon!