Steve Jobs' Commencement Speech

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Stanford has posted (http://news-service.stanford.edu/news/2005/june15/jobs-061505.html) the text of Steve Jobs' recent commencement speech from Stanford's 2005 graduation speech.

Jobs relates stories about his life, including his work at Apple as well as his public departure:

I didn't see it then, but it turned out that getting fired from Apple was the best thing that could have ever happened to me. The heaviness of being successful was replaced by the lightness of being a beginner again, less sure about everything. It freed me to enter one of the most creative periods in my life.

Jobs, of course, later returned to Apple when Apple purchased NeXT (also founded by Steve Jobs).

[~Shard~]

Wow, I didn't realize Job was doing this - would have been a great speech to hear and experience. We didn't have anything like this for our graduation. ;)

[Mac_Freak]

Ok I will be good this time. It is nice to see Jobs beign so involved with higher eductaion. He sure made getting fired sound as not a bad thing.

[DMann]

Compared to GWs speech about being a 'C' student
and becoming President -- this somewhat outdoes
that Lame Yale address, and proves a drop out can
become a true leader who truly empowers
individuals and changes lives......

[tech4all]

That part about the pancreas cancer and the doctor telling him he only had 3-6 months to live, then finding out it was actually a curable cancer was really something to read.

[runninmac]

Wow Steve is amazing, I really wish I could have been there for it but then again i dont go to Stanford.

[wwooden]

Just finished reading it. Next year is my senior year at college, man it would be sweet to have him come and talk at my school (I highly doubt it though, I go to the University of Vermont, I don't we quite have the same budget).

[QFace]

Steve's partner went to UC, Berkeley...
As a cal student, this is blasphemy!
Steve, this is unforgivable!

[SteveC]

Video clip:
http://news-service.stanford.edu/news/2005/june15/videos/51.html

[aquajet]

And Steve's return to Apple was the best thing that ever happened to the company.

[Chaszmyr]

Very strange to stand up before a graduating class and say one of the best decisions he ever made was dropping out of college lol

[Blue Moon]

Video clip:
http://news-service.stanford.edu/news/2005/june15/videos/51.html
Thank you for that. Watching it was all the more inspirational.

[mgargan1]

I like this quote...

Remembering that you are going to die is the best way I know to avoid the trap of thinking you have something to lose.

[dongmin]

Steve's partner went to UC, Berkeley...
As a cal student, this is blasphemy!
Steve, this is unforgivable!

don't be such a Weeny ;)

you can always start using windows...

[mcarnes]

Damn good speech Steve. Keep fighting the good fight.

[mgargan1]

makes me wanna go to work...

[wwooden]

After watching the video, it's strange to see Steve reading because at the Keynotes he is so smooth and passionate, this felt very rigid.

[puckhead193]

I still don't get how he could be fired from a company he started.... :confused:

[Rod Rod]

I still don't get how he could be fired from a company he started.... :confused:
That's happened to a lot of people, actually. It's not as strange as it initially seems.

[njmac]

After watching the video, it's strange to see Steve reading because at the Keynotes he is so smooth and passionate, this felt very rigid.

After seeing the clip, that was my first thought too . I assumed before I saw the speech that Steve had memorized it.

The speech was very inspirational though. He really delivered for Stanford.

[sushi]

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Stanford has posted (http://news-service.stanford.edu/news/2005/june15/jobs-061505.html) the text of Steve Jobs' recent commencement speech from Stanford's 2005 graduation speech.

Jobs relates stories about his life, including his work at Apple as well as his public departure:



Jobs, of course, later returned to Apple when Apple purchased NeXT (also founded by Steve Jobs).
Enjoyed reading his speech.

Steve makes some very good life points.

Connecting the dots... When he came back to Apple, he was hired for $1 per year. That was it. Until the BOD gave him the airplane and then other items. He was following his passion the gravy followed.

Sushi

[TheAnswer]

....shouldn't this be the iTMS free download of the week or something?

[cashmoney]

nice! it really touched my heart. :o Everything is meaningless compared to death.

[ravenvii]

Wow, damn lucky Stanford students! For 365 days a year I do NOT want to be a Stanford student, but this year it's only 364 days! :D

(Oh don't get nitpicky about leap years, you nitpicker! ;))

[Sophipod]

What a smart guy, he really deserves everything he has accomplished.

[me_94501]

Steve's partner went to UC, Berkeley...
As a cal student, this is blasphemy!
Steve, this is unforgivable!
As a fellow Cal student, all I can say is "hear, hear!"

(For those out of the loop, Stanford--or "Stanfurd," as some of us spell it--is Cal's arch-rival.)

[MacFan26]

I wonder how he was chosen to give this speech. I thought it was great though, one of the few times I've heard of him giving a speech other than something involving his companies. As for the whole memorizing the speech thing, I figure it was probably just because he really wanted to make sure he said what he wanted to, and besides, his keynotes are usually a little more laid back.

My only comment would have to be my slight annoyance with the dropping out of college thing. I know he said it to a graduating class, but really, that's the worst thing to say to a student struggling to get through college. "I'm successful and I dropped out" isn't exactly the most encouraging thing, lol.

[theROZ]

is there anything that Steve Jobs can't do??? Jeesh....

great talk....SJ blows me away.... :)

[Nicky G]

I have to say -- that was a very wise, and moving speech, and I relate to it on many levels. I have a lot of respect for Steve Jobs, and getting to catch a glimpse at a deep side of him reinforces that respect tenfold. I think he WILL go down as one of the most brilliant businessmen in tech history, and also a cultural innovator. Bravo.

[mcarnes]

I wonder how he was chosen to give this speech. I thought it was great though, one of the few times I've heard of him giving a speech other than something involving his companies. As for the whole memorizing the speech thing, I figure it was probably just because he really wanted to make sure he said what he wanted to, and besides, his keynotes are usually a little more laid back.

My only comment would have to be my slight annoyance with the dropping out of college thing. I know he said it to a graduating class, but really, that's the worst thing to say to a student struggling to get through college. "I'm successful and I dropped out" isn't exactly the most encouraging thing, lol.

Yeah, I kinda thought that too. But maybe he means it like "I dropped out and made it. You stayed in and have an even better chance than I did."

Of course there is only one Steve Jobs...

I actually went to Reed briefly back in the 90s. It is a very tough school. It's small and as "ivy league" as you get in Oregon, if that makes sense. I now live a few blocks from it.

I ditched the physics program there and went to U of O which was much cheaper and more realistic at the time.

I think they ought to clone Steve so Steve can train the youngling now. Then when he is ready to retire in 20 years his clone can take over. We have the technology, might as well use it for a good cause. :D

[Swift]

Just finished reading it. Next year is my senior year at college, man it would be sweet to have him come and talk at my school (I highly doubt it though, I go to the University of Vermont, I don't we quite have the same budget).

Don't worry about budget. He's not doing that for a speaking fee. He's got a plane he can fly to Vermont with. He might not have the time, of course. Write him a letter and ask.

[mdriftmeyer]

Steve dropped out of college, but take a guess to the percentage of college dropouts working or have ever worked for Steve, within technical areas of his companies.

[ArizonaKid]

Obviously the point is that dropping out was the best choice for Steve. This comment was just adding to his point of doing what is best for each person. But the media took this comment out of context. I sure bet a Stanford crowd could look at the speech in whole and appreciate what he meant. If Steve didn't appreciate education, he sure wouldn't be making the commencement speech...at Stanford nonetheless.

Hopefully, general idiots won't take his advice and think they are better off dropping out of school. Because the fact is a drop out makes less than a college graduate. Sure, you could show examples of dropouts that made it great (Mike Dell, Bill Gates, etc...). But those are extreme examples, and they would never have succeeded without the assistance of college graduates. Nobody shows examples of college dropouts that just tanked, probably because their so many.

Look on Apple's job postings, college requirements sure are mentioned a lot. Look at the majority of companies, and look at their executive bios. Hmm...sure seems to be many college graduates. I mean don't even think about working for Google unless you have a PhD. lol

[DaveClarkOne]

Steve's a hero, and I pick them sparingly. And I remember the Whole Earth Catalog: anyone blessed w/curiosity read this bible of information during the pre-internet days. It was a FASCINATING book.

The best speeches make you think. It succeeded. Too bad each of us can't have a near-death experience to force one's self-evaluation and reassessment. I think it was Chuang Tzu who said "The goal of action is contemplation..." Dig that!

Maybe he can put the near-death feature in the next OS...

Thanks Steve!




Enjoyed reading his speech.

Steve makes some very good life points.

Connecting the dots... When he came back to Apple, he was hired for $1 per year. That was it. Until the BOD gave him the airplane and then other items. He was following his passion the gravy followed.

Sushi

[jiv3turkey748]

if that speech was given by bill gates everyone would be talking about how it was lame and a bunch of bs

edit: iwrote that last thing before reading his speech and id just like to add that, that was a great speech and it really showed another side to jobs

[swingerofbirch]

Steve Jobs mentioned emphatically The Whole World catalog in this commencement speech, and noted its location: Menlo Park. During the WWDC keynote Jobs noted a package he had been tracking when showing off a tracker widget, and he tracked it on stage through Fed Ex. The tracking number was 697736095801. (You can still track it.) It was a 46 lb package sent to Menlo Park, California, and signed for by a secretary.

Those are some dots: anyone want to connect them?

[~Shard~]

Steve Jobs mentioned emphatically The Whole World catalog in this commencement speech, and noted its location: Menlo Park. During the WWDC keynote Jobs noted a package he had been tracking when showing off a tracker widget, and he tracked it on stage through Fed Ex. The tracking number was 697736095801. (You can still track it.) It was a 46 lb package sent to Menlo Park, California, and signed for by a secretary.

Those are some dots: anyone want to connect them?

Cool, I like conspiracy theories... tell me more... ;) :cool:

[swingerofbirch]

Cool, I like conspiracy theories... tell me more... ;) :cool:
Lol...I know no more..I probably know too much! Lol...it's pretty pathetic I pay this much attention to Mac news to notice these connections, although I did REALLY like Jobs speech, and one of my passions is following Mac news, so I'm not gonna live someone else's life and do something more normal, like not refreshing macrumors uncountable times throughout the day....ahhh..you can tell it got me thinking!

[DaveClarkOne]

Well, I owned the Whole Earth catalog. It was big and heavy, but it didn't weigh 46 lbs., even soaking wet. But maybe Oliver Stone sees a movie in here somewhere...



Cool, I like conspiracy theories... tell me more... ;) :cool:

[mcarnes]

Steve Jobs mentioned emphatically The Whole World catalog in this commencement speech, and noted its location: Menlo Park. During the WWDC keynote Jobs noted a package he had been tracking when showing off a tracker widget, and he tracked it on stage through Fed Ex. The tracking number was 697736095801. (You can still track it.) It was a 46 lb package sent to Menlo Park, California, and signed for by a secretary.

Those are some dots: anyone want to connect them?

Ah, but the package was delivered April 6th. At 46 pounds it could be a lot of things. I feel like Columbo. :D

[virus1]

i agree.. i know at least apple wasn't doing too well back before and during steve was fired. at least we have his creative juices now..

[ericssonboi]

Great speech..
Great stories to remember..
I never knew he was the CEO of Pixar but now i do..
Don't think he could have said it any better...

But it was weird seeing him read.. as he's so fluent on his keynotes... but i guess its different..
Keynotes = Like something in the back of his head
Speech = Very technical and you want to get the facts out..

[lazyrighteye]

I'm not sure how you could know this site exists and not know Steve was running Pixar.
Not picking on you (by any means), just pleasantly surprised. ;)
Just struck me as "funny" after reading a few posts earlier that some dude noticed a connection between a package Steve tracked at WWDC with a reference he made in the speech.

Good stuff.

[MontyZ]

Very good, inspiration and touching speech.

[iDrinkKoolAid]

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Stanford has posted (http://news-service.stanford.edu/news/2005/june15/jobs-061505.html) the text of Steve Jobs' recent commencement speech from Stanford's 2005 graduation speech.

Jobs relates stories about his life, including his work at Apple as well as his public departure:



Jobs, of course, later returned to Apple when Apple purchased NeXT (also founded by Steve Jobs).

Stanford gets good speakers for their graduation. When my best friend's sister graduated from there, they got Kofi Annan.

When I graduated from undergrad, I had some dude who worked at GE (I think) for twenty years and he promised us a short speech since he claimed that he didn't like long speeches. I think he spoke for an hour and guests were upset that "it was so painfully long." I wish we had someone like John Wooden speak to us, after all, our gym was named after him...

[Gorbag]

Interesting speech, or at least the small segment available.

sad that i can view the Real feed (which looks pretty good), the Windows feed (looks terrible by comparison!) but the quicktime feed won't connect!

Hope there is no irony in that.

[mac-er]

Very good speech. He was very open about things he rarely talks about..

Surprised no one mentioned that fact, that for a day, Steve thought he had 3-6 months to live.

[hansen]

nice! it really touched my heart. :

Ditto!

[iGary]

Steve's really mellowed like fine wine over the last ten years.

He's gone from a peppery 2002 merlot to a 1997 Opus One.

Very inspirational speech. :D

[840quadra]

That was a good read..

really touching actually. Thanks for the link!

[840quadra]

the video was good too, good to hear his voice, as opposed to reading it :)

http://news-service.stanford.edu/news/2005/june15/videos/51.html

:EDIT:
Nevermind.. I guess I didn't see the link posted on page 1 :)

[eric_n_dfw]

I remember a poster on the wall in high school in 1989 or so that had Job's and Woz's bio's on it (along with Bill Gates). It mentioned that they both had dropped out of college.

That really stuck with me -- maybe that's why I never finished either. :)

As for the comments about tech jobs requiring a degree, in most cases, if you have experience, it trumps the lack of a degree. I'm a 14 year software engineer at a fortune 100 company in a lead position and I have about the equivelent of a college sophomore's credits. When I interview someone to work with us, it's all about what they've done and how well they handle the questions in the interview. The degree is a nice add-on, it shows you can take on tough goals and see them through, but it plays a very small part in the hiring process from what I've seen.

Word of advice for would-be programmers: From my experience (on both sides of the interview table), corporate HR departments may use your degree status to weed out resume's - it's always best to try to find the hiring manager and get your resume to their desk directly. Head hunters can be good at that, but I've not personally used one. I have been fortunate enough to have had a friend at the different companies I've worked at who knew the right person to get my resume too. (Insider's are awesome!)

Back on topic: I guess the two Steves are somewhat of personal heros for me in a wierd way in that they are examples of success without waiting for some college to hand them a piece of paper saying they were ready for it.

[DeSnousa]

Yes that was a very inspiring speech. Made me think as a 17 yr old where i should pursue my ambitions. So much im using the quote in my sig :)

[Fabio_gsilva]

Beautiful speech... makes me wonder what in the heck I'm doing now, with 24 years old, that I didn't start something new! It's hard to remain in my chair working in a law office where you are just one more... Specially when I think that at my age he was working in a great company that he started in his own garage...

The world is sure different now, of course. But we always can start to think different and made great things.

Thanks, Steve. Strong words.

[broken_keyboard]

That's some good advice.

[JRM PowerPod]

For the whole of that speech i was waiting for the:

"And as you start your new journey today, so does Apple. Today i have something very special, something very foolish, introducing the 2.3Ghz Centrino Powerbook. I have 500 ready to be distributed for you today."

Concluding with "lets start our new journey together".

Where was the keynote coverage?

[i_am_a_cow]

Wow Steve is amazing, I really wish I could have been there for it but then again i dont go to Stanford.

haha I almost thought you were gonna say "Wow Steve is amazing, I really wish I could be him." but you didn't.

Yeah our graduation speaker (Minneapolis South High School 2005, I hope she reads this) was lame. She kept making bad jokes and talking about herself, and she wasn't important at all (the art director at Intermedia Arts?). Upon reading Jobs' speech I decided to claim it for myself instead of the wack one my high school gave me. I think it's ironic that Steve would be giving a famous (kind of?) graduation speech the same year I graduated. Of course... I graduated from high school, not college yet, but that's not what matters.

[m-dogg]

interesting speech - very good read!

am I the only one that never knew he had been adopted?

[~Shard~]

interesting speech - very good read!

am I the only one that never knew he had been adopted?

You're not alone - that was news to me too. ;)

[cloud 9]

well,

there's nothing wrong with steve mentioning dropping out of college.

His point is that you have to follow what you really really love to do, there is much more value in such a message, than 'oo, don't drop out of college!'...
btw if they are graduating, you sure hope they do it because they love it, not for any society status or money... they lack motivation, and have a higher possibility for burnout ...

and i know, 'cause this year i'm graduating too, as a master of science in psychology (option industrial psychology) :D

there is no such course as 'how to make a succesful computer company', well if that's your love, do it.

[min_t]

Great philosophy on life. Even if he wasn't the CEO of 2 successful companies, no doubt he would've been happy and successful. Fortunately for us, his love just happens to be in computing and the few of us that want to "think different", can do so.

Mr Jobs, if you're reading this, can you make sure my mac Mini with a 2ghz pentium M is ready for X-mas. Thanks. :rolleyes:

[wdlove]

interesting speech - very good read!

am I the only one that never knew he had been adopted?

It seems that you are not alone. I wasn't aware that he was adopted either. His adoptive parents did a good job.

[iGary]

It seems that you are not alone. I wasn't aware that he was adopted either. His adoptive parents did a good job.

He is actually an adopted illegitimate child, too (as am I): His biological father is a man of Egyptian descent, and his wereabouts or name are unknown.

[njmac]

He is actually an adopted illegitimate child, too (as am I): His biological father is a man of Egyptian descent, and his wereabouts or name are unknown.

Does he have a good relationship with his biological mother? I wonder when (if?) he contacted her or the other way around.

She, and his adopted parents, must be very proud.

[windmaomao]

very touchy. I wish I could drop out, but maybe I'm too old for that :D

[bankshot]

Does he have a good relationship with his biological mother? I wonder when (if?) he contacted her or the other way around.

If she knows who he is, but doesn't know him personally, I bet she's kicking herself for giving up a future billionaire son... :eek: :D

[CelticBhoy]

Good speech, was waiting for the 'and one more thing' quote but I guess this would have sounded a bit phoney given the context and the fact that 97% of those present do not use macs and wouldn't understand it.

[MontyZ]

Actually, I think I am Steve's biological father.

STEVE, CALL ME!!

:D :p

[kjr39]

Going through quite a hard time for myself (quitting a job, selling a house, moving 4 States away all of my family to place where I know no one, & trying to find another job) to pursue my dreams, I found this speech to be a great motivator!

Thanks Steve for the inspiration!

[macnogeek]

Steve's partner went to UC, Berkeley...
As a cal student, this is blasphemy!
Steve, this is unforgivable!

....or instead of being a bitch about it you could have gone and watched anyways like I did... Then go dumpster diving and dorm raiding in a giant Budget Rental moving van stealing Stanford students unwanted stuff... And yes I am a Cal student aswell.

[Wash!!]

I love his quote "If you live each day as if it was your last, someday you'll most certainly be right." and the "Stay hungry. Stay foolish"

My company just relocated me and my family, I had to sell my house and buy a new one, his speech has given the hope I was looking for for following my gut feeling and relocate and to know that I did the right thing, because, he is right most of the times your best choices in life are the ones you make when you listen to that little voice inside you....

cheers

He is my hero

[homerjward]

wow. great speech. really loved the bit about "and since windows just copied the mac, it's likely that no personal computer would have them." god, what would gates have said if he gave the commencement speech? "the easiest way to get ahead is to copy others and call it innovative. pretend different. :D"

[puckhead193]

Why did steve get fired from apple? :o :confused:

[iMeowbot]

Why did steve get fired from apple? :o :confused:
Jobs attempted to get Sculley fired while Sculley was away on a business trip arranged just for that purpose. Sculley found out, brought the issue to the board and asked them to choose, and Sculley won.

[puckhead193]

Jobs attempted to get Sculley fired while Sculley was away on a business trip arranged just for that purpose. Sculley found out, brought the issue to the board and asked them to choose, and Sculley won.

interesting....
BTW i like your 'tar

[macdad2]

I loved reading the speech - many moments spoke to me personally but I would love to see it too! For some reason I can't get the Stanford link to work? I tried a couple of times last night and agin a few times today - no luck. The link to the Stanford page where the video is posted works, I just can't see the video itself (tried Quicktime first, then WMP - I don't have RealPlayer installed). Using Tiger with QT 7.01? Any ideas? I'd really like to see it. - thanks

[stubeeef]

I too loved reading that. I wish I had read it 20 years ago, and listened to it, and followed it.
My grad speech was by Charles Curwalt and Elizabeth Dole (we all thought a fight might break out between them, my money was on Dole! :p ) I can't remember a single word either one said.

Good job Steve, and all you young'uns out there, read it again and again, and try it too.

[jefhatfield]

Steve's partner went to UC, Berkeley...
As a cal student, this is blasphemy!
Steve, this is unforgivable!

but at the time, of the inception and growth of apple computer inc, woz was yet to be a cal student

and yes, he went to cal later and got his degree, but he was already a centimillionaire from apple

[Rod Rod]

My grad speech was by Charles Curwalt and Elizabeth Dole
Charles Kuralt?

[Counterfit]

I was at Harvard this year for (part of) John Lithgow's speech. Of course, I was behind the scenes, so I couldn't hear much. Judging from the laughter and cheering, it was a pretty good speech. Then he sang about being a manatee :confused:



And later still, I hurt my should taking down a truss for one of the LED walls :(

[shazammy]

I still don't get how he could be fired from a company he started.... :confused:

Because the company went public, he didn't own it anymore (nor did he own a majority then), so the Board of Directors voted him out. It happens all the time.

[whooleytoo]

Good speech, was waiting for the 'and one more thing' quote but I guess this would have sounded a bit phoney given the context and the fact that 97% of those present do not use macs and wouldn't understand it.

:D

Considering Apple are really targeting college students with iPods, wouldn't it have made the perfect place for a product announcement! As the speech nears its end, Steve turns back and says "Oh, and one more thing!", then a big screen slides down behind him and the keynote begins to roll...

[shazammy]

Enjoyed reading his speech.

Steve makes some very good life points.

Connecting the dots... When he came back to Apple, he was hired for $1 per year. That was it. Until the BOD gave him the airplane and then other items. He was following his passion the gravy followed.

Sushi


Let's be honest here. This is completely untrue. Steve was being paid $1 for two different reasons. 1) For tax reasons. Taking a $1 salary as a CEO is something a lot of people do, because it allows them a huge tax writeoff. 2) Steve already had plenty of money. Apple BOUGHT NeXT, the company he owned as part of his coming back. Do you think he made nothing off of that? Also, the Apple board hosed him with benefits and bonuses in stock and other ways. Don't think for a second that he'd be working for Apple for $1 per year if he wasn't making something off of it. He's passionate about things, yes, but he's not an idiot.

[mac-er]

Yeah our graduation speaker (Minneapolis South High School 2005, I hope she reads this) was lame. She kept making bad jokes and talking about herself, and she wasn't important at all (the art director at Intermedia Arts?). Upon reading Jobs' speech I decided to claim it for myself instead of the wack one my high school gave me. I think it's ironic that Steve would be giving a famous (kind of?) graduation speech the same year I graduated. Of course... I graduated from high school, not college yet, but that's not what matters.

High schools don't really have the budgets for graduation speakers...so if you get one at all, don't expect anything great.

[Shaun.P]

I'd really like to contact Steve Jobs and write to him. I love Apple, I really do, and I think Steve Jobs is a facinating role model. I just find it amazing how he's pioneered three companies (NeXT, Apple, Pixar), all of which relatively successful.

If I sent a letter to 'Steve Jobs, 1 Infinite Loop, CA" etc would he get it? Do you think he, (being realistic) would reply?

Thanks.

[shazammy]

I'd really like to contact Steve Jobs and write to him. I love Apple, I really do, and I think Steve Jobs is a facinating role model. I just find it amazing how he's pioneered three companies (NeXT, Apple, Pixar), all of which relatively successful.

If I sent a letter to 'Steve Jobs, 1 Infinite Loop, CA" etc would he get it? Do you think he, (being realistic) would reply?

Thanks.


Chances are from extremely slim to zero that he'd get it. Steve has multiple assistants, all of whom go through the mail he receives. I'm sure you get some sort of a printed "form letter" response. Don't let that stop you from trying, though. I wrote a letter to Michael Eisner last year. I got the "form letter" response, but then I later heard that he enjoyed my letter. You never know.

[jefhatfield]

Don't think for a second that he'd be working for Apple for $1 per year if he wasn't making something off of it. He's passionate about things, yes, but he's not an idiot.

ok, then let's take two seconds and look at the financial picture ;)

steve jobs got millions for next and pixar didn't do him wrong either...today steve is a billionaire

so he gets paid $1 per year and owns one share of apple stock and has declined to exercise any stock options...guess what, he can afford to and if he so chose, he could work for apple for the rest of his days for free and never have to worry about where he was going to get his next meal

if i was a billionaire from next and pixar (seeing him worth between 1.7 and 2.1 billion dollars), i would also do charity work and for steve jobs, apple inc is his charity work, or his passion if you will

apple may be his most high profile gig for us on macrumors.com, but his net worth today is mostly from other sources...when he did get fired from apple, his take of the apple pie did help him have the freedom for next and pixar so it's not as if they kicked steve out the door of apple with no money ;)

[shazammy]

You've proven my point. Who gave Steve millions for NeXT? That's right, Apple did. Plus they firehosed him with additional stock and options when he came back. What I'm saying is that this whole "Look, the guy only got paid $1 for his work at Apple" isn't quite the "charity work" it looks like. He gets other financial rewards from Apple, and also scores a big tax writeoff as well.


ok, then let's take two seconds and look at the financial picture ;)

steve jobs got millions for next and pixar didn't do him wrong either...today steve is a billionaire

so he gets paid $1 per year and owns one share of apple stock and has declined to exercise any stock options...guess what, he can afford to and if he so chose, he could work for apple for the rest of his days for free and never have to worry about where he was going to get his next meal

if i was a billionaire from next and pixar (seeing him worth between 1.7 and 2.1 billion dollars), i would also do charity work and for steve jobs, apple inc is his charity work, or his passion if you will

apple may be his most high profile gig for us on macrumors.com, but his net worth today is mostly from other sources...when he did get fired from apple, his take of the apple pie did help him have the freedom for next and pixar so it's not as if they kicked steve out the door of apple with no money ;)

[Mr. Durden]

I think the bigger point about him being paid $1 is that everything he has earned from Apple since his return is based on results. Its not like he said, "I'll come back for $5million a year, and stock options and a jet..."

He gotten even more filthy rich because of the results he been getting. And being hungry and foolish.

[true777]

One thing that confused me about the speech... he talked about his love for his wife Laurene ("and today, Laurene and I have a wonderful family together"), but I thought I had read somewhere on the web that they got divorced recently? Was that just a false rumor floating around about him... or was the commencement speech his most ingenious coup de force of all, to get her back? :)

[shazammy]

I think the bigger point about him being paid $1 is that everything he has earned from Apple since his return is based on results. Its not like he said, "I'll come back for $5million a year, and stock options and a jet..."

He gotten even more filthy rich because of the results he been getting. And being hungry and foolish.

He came back because Apple agreed to buy NeXT. He didn't just go "Okay, gee. I'll come back. If I do good things, then you can pay me. If not, well then no harm done."

[jefhatfield]

He came back because Apple agreed to buy NeXT. He didn't just go "Okay, gee. I'll come back. If I do good things, then you can pay me. If not, well then no harm done."

you certainly don't have your facts straight

it's just mac zealot-blindness that guides your posts...please be nice to people who are either right, or misinformed for that matter...i have been here nearly five years and flamewar baiters only get banned from macrumors

i have been in high tech six years in silicon valley, vp of a dot.com, and we studied apple's going ons in mba school and in the real world of which i have been working for 26 years...i was an apple warranty tech, and blah blah, i can go on and on but i admit that i was a zealot at first and like many ufo fans and conspiracy theorists, i believed anything anyone told me if it idolized sj or the woz, or apple inc

the funny thing i see when i meet apple zealots is that they all agree that 1+1=3

sj made the bulk of his money from things other than apple inc...and guess what, that's no crime!!!

[Timemist]

I still don't get how he could be fired from a company he started.... :confused:

It happens a lot. The founders of Cisco, for example, were ousted. Jobs situation is inspirational because he came back and resurrected Apple.

[mcarnes]

I still don't get how he could be fired from a company he started.... :confused:

Didn't you see spider-man? It's what made the green goblin go postal.

[mcarnes]

Chances are from extremely slim to zero that he'd get it. Steve has multiple assistants, all of whom go through the mail he receives. I'm sure you get some sort of a printed "form letter" response. Don't let that stop you from trying, though. I wrote a letter to Michael Eisner last year. I got the "form letter" response, but then I later heard that he enjoyed my letter. You never know.

Eisner enjoyed you calling him a blubbering idiot? :p

[christophertin]

Yeah, Stanford always gets good commencement speakers. I had Ted Koppel for one year, and Robert Pinski (poet-laureate) another.

That said, that was a nice speech. He's right--you have to take pride in what you do, and in order to do that, you have to love what you do.

Rock on, Steve.

[wdlove]

And later still, I hurt my should taking down a truss for one of the LED walls :(

Were you part of the audi visual team for the graduation ceremony at Harvard? I hope that your shoulder injury is improved now. Did it require any medical attention?

[jefhatfield]

One thing that confused me about the speech... he talked about his love for his wife Laurene ("and today, Laurene and I have a wonderful family together"), but I thought I had read somewhere on the web that they got divorced recently? Was that just a false rumor floating around about him... or was the commencement speech his most ingenious coup de force of all, to get her back? :)

hey true777

if sj is free you should go look him up...i think he still lives in the valley ;)

[Counterfit]

Were you part of the audi visual team for the graduation ceremony at Harvard? I hope that your shoulder injury is improved now. Did it require any medical attention? I was hired help for the company that does the A/V stuff (First company to run sound for Harvard's commencement in the history of electricity!). My shoulder's still giving me crap though, I hope I didn't hurt a rotator cuff :(

[ebunton]

Mmmm, inspiring...

A visionary, out-of-the-box guy.
The world needs more people like this.

[shazammy]

What on earth are you talking about? And what facts do I have wrong? And I'm hardly a flamewar baiter. Good grief, chill out.

you certainly don't have your facts straight

it's just mac zealot-blindness that guides your posts...please be nice to people who are either right, or misinformed for that matter...i have been here nearly five years and flamewar baiters only get banned from macrumors

i have been in high tech six years in silicon valley, vp of a dot.com, and we studied apple's going ons in mba school and in the real world of which i have been working for 26 years...i was an apple warranty tech, and blah blah, i can go on and on but i admit that i was a zealot at first and like many ufo fans and conspiracy theorists, i believed anything anyone told me if it idolized sj or the woz, or apple inc

the funny thing i see when i meet apple zealots is that they all agree that 1+1=3

sj made the bulk of his money from things other than apple inc...and guess what, that's no crime!!!

[jefhatfield]

What on earth are you talking about? And what facts do I have wrong? And I'm hardly a flamewar baiter. Good grief, chill out.

note the moderators edit

[anniesdomains]

I've heard people say that Steve has a "Reality Distortion field" around him, but he truly is one of the most charismatic visionaries of our time. I read the commencement speech and I just felt really, really good about it. It was very inspiring and that's always nice.

It's also interesting to note that about 50% (so I've heard) of all the billionaires in the world never went to or simply did not finish college. Hmmm... so that's where I went wrong...

[shazammy]

note the moderators edit

There is no edit. I have no idea what you're going on about.

[jefhatfield]

There is no edit. I have no idea what you're going on about.

wintermute who is a moderator, took out some inflammatory remarks you made and that note is at the end of your post

i responded in a similar manner and he also "tidied up" my post, too :)

generally speaking, people disagree from time to time and that's ok and more recently, macrumors has just tried to keep members more civil towards each other

in the early days of macrumors in 2000 and 2001, the general conduct was not as good and bad behavior was more accepted and it was, admittedly, part of the culture of macrumors.com

but things have evolved into a kinder, gentler macrumors, that's all

and i am not the shining example who should be speaking because if you look back on some of my early posts with my friend spikey, john123, kela, or alphatech, you can find some vintage macrumors bad behavior ;)

[wdlove]

Something that my wife mentioned about the commencement address by Steve Jobs that I found interesting. That he spoke of his mortality, encouraging the students to make full use of their life ahead of them.

[~Shard~]

Something that my wife mentioned about the commencement address by Steve Jobs that I found interesting. That he spoke of his mortality, encouraging the students to make full use of their life ahead of them.

That's a very good point to stress, especially to the youth of today who in many repsects feel they are invincible, or simply do not contemplate their mortality, thinking things like cancer will never happen to them or the ones they love. Simply put, it's a good dose of reality. :cool:

[shazammy]

So, what facts do I have wrong? I never said Jobs didn't make money from things other than Apple, but a ton of his wealth came from original Apple stock, and then from NeXT which he made money on because Apple bought. I'm not making this stuff up.

you certainly don't have your facts straight

it's just mac zealot-blindness that guides your posts...please be nice to people who are either right, or misinformed for that matter...i have been here nearly five years and flamewar baiters only get banned from macrumors

i have been in high tech six years in silicon valley, vp of a dot.com, and we studied apple's going ons in mba school and in the real world of which i have been working for 26 years...i was an apple warranty tech, and blah blah, i can go on and on but i admit that i was a zealot at first and like many ufo fans and conspiracy theorists, i believed anything anyone told me if it idolized sj or the woz, or apple inc

the funny thing i see when i meet apple zealots is that they all agree that 1+1=3

sj made the bulk of his money from things other than apple inc...and guess what, that's no crime!!!

[shazammy]

Eisner enjoyed you calling him a blubbering idiot? :p

Well, while I'm not an Eisner fan, I think you'd be hard pressed to call the guy an idiot if you look at his track record. He pretty much single-handedly turned Disney around when he came on board. They were in a serious slump (check out the film and animation divisions back then) and were in constant danger of being bought out. He might not be the most popular guy on the field, but he plays a great game. Smart business guy.

[jefhatfield]

So, what facts do I have wrong? I never said Jobs didn't make money from things other than Apple, but a ton of his wealth came from original Apple stock, and then from NeXT which he made money on because Apple bought. I'm not making this stuff up.

compared to most of us, the money steve jobs made just from apple and next, a couple hundred million (a very respectable amount) is a ton of money, but pixar has garnered him nearly tens times that

though steve jobs was offered stock from apple, he gave it back (he could afford to) and he never exercised any apple inc stock options so while he has a $1 dollar salary a year and one common stock, apple inc is always willing to up that amount...fortune magazine has reported that he was to be paid 3 million dollars a year but what the heck is that when you are a multibillionaire?

when equally rich ross perot ran for president, he quoted he would not take a salary if he won (kennedy also denied pay) and also said he would easily be willing to spend $40 million on tv campaigns alone from his own pocket...people who have that much money (two billion) can literally do stuff for free or change industries or politics (he certainly had bush and clinton running for cover)

to me, apple inc has changed my life way more than pixar has but i did like toy story and toy story 2

so to put it into scale, steve jobs is not at apple inc for the money, unless, like michael jackson, he somehow spent it all and is secretly broke ;)

[wdlove]

compared to most of us, the money steve jobs made just from apple and next, a couple hundred million (a very respectable amount) is a ton of money, but pixar has garnered him nearly tens times that.

to me, apple inc has changed my life way more than pixar has but i did like toy story and toy story 2

so to put it into scale, steve jobs is not at apple inc for the money, unless, like michael jackson, he somehow spent it all and is secretly broke ;)

It just show how much Steve Jobs love's Apple and the Mac in particular. We can all feel very special to have him. Being a multibillionaire allows you to do the thing that you really love. A chance to have fun.

[jefhatfield]

It just show how much Steve Jobs love's Apple and the Mac in particular. We can all feel very special to have him. Being a multibillionaire allows you to do the thing that you really love. A chance to have fun.

in the business world of high tech, he is certainly a hero of mine and his altruistic motives have helped us all...look, we are on a macrumors site...could you imagine a dell or compaq rumors site?...the pc side simply does not have the same passion for their machines

steve jobs and steve wozniak helped make apple a lifestyle and have its users passionate about computing

though the two steves have a lot of money, i believe they do it for the love of it and to help humanity...i don't have that suspicion for the far richer bill gates or larry ellison

but i do hope bill gates does help cure aids and that ellison uses his money to somehow help humanity in an equal fashion

another thing i like about the two steves of apple is that they didn't have to ransack others to make their money and for the most part apple comes up with their own stuff in an era where one can make more copying others like that company in redmond who i won't mention ;)

EDIT: and i know people talk a lot about how apple "stole" the mouse from xerox but it wasn't a technology they wanted to pursue or dump more money into...and even if apple pulled off a predatory move against xerox, how does that compare against mr. gates' exploits?

and some say that apple didn't invent the first personal computer and that hp had a working model...one of my retired students from a computer class i taught worked on that personal computer and it weighed as much as a refrigerator and cost as much as a mercedes and he used most of his engineer's salary that year to acquire one for his home...a few months later, apple had their first personal computer at a fraction of the cost and for most of us, that was the first user friendly, cost-efficient personal computer

[true777]

hey true777

if sj is free you should go look him up...i think he still lives in the valley ;)

Jobs lives about 7 minutes from me, in midtown Palo Alto.
I took my toddler trick-or-treating to his house one year,
and Steve passed out candy himself.

I do get to drive by his house occasionally when visiting a friend who lives closeby. Hahaha... I should look him up? Would love to! Any pickup lines that might work for him? ;)

[Counterfit]

Any pickup lines that might work for him? ;)
These won't:
"computer repairman!"
"Are you an alien? Because that ass is outta this world!"
"Hi Steve, it's Michael Dell"
"Hi Steve, it's Michael Eisner."
"Trick or Treat!" (on Easter)
"Merry Christmas!" (on Halloween)
"Will you be my valentine" (anytime)
"I choo-choo-choose you!" (don't ask)

[jefhatfield]

Jobs lives about 7 minutes from me, in midtown Palo Alto.
I took my toddler trick-or-treating to his house one year,
and Steve passed out candy himself.

I do get to drive by his house occasionally when visiting a friend who lives closeby. Hahaha... I should look him up? Would love to! Any pickup lines that might work for him? ;)

remember back when all those male macrumors users were in love with you? ;) so i say you definitely have what it takes to attract macusers

he's so close to you so i am sure you will run into him from time to time and i suggest wearing some apparel item with an apple logo on it...you can find racks of that clothing at the apple company store at apple in cupertino

but he still may think you are too young for him but not all guys are concerned about big age differences...look at tom cruise and his teenage girlfriend ;)

[shazammy]

Do you know why Steve Jobs takes $1 a year in salary from Apple (and from Pixar as well)? So he gets TAXED on that amount of pay. One dollar. Who wouldn't love to be taxed as if that's all the money they were making?

Steve was given a private jet by Apple, which cost the company $90 million dollars. Did he give that back? No. In 2003 he was given $75 million in unrestricted Apple stock. Did he give that back? No. Steve Jobs would have actually saved Apple money by taking a normal executive salary.

I'm sure he loves what he does, but believe me if he wasn't making money (or was losing money), he wouldn't be at Apple. This is part of the "Steve Jobs is Christ" Mac evangelist ravings, and it's just pure misinformation.

I love the computers that Apple makes, but it's a company, just like Coca-Cola, Nike, etc.



compared to most of us, the money steve jobs made just from apple and next, a couple hundred million (a very respectable amount) is a ton of money, but pixar has garnered him nearly tens times that

though steve jobs was offered stock from apple, he gave it back (he could afford to) and he never exercised any apple inc stock options so while he has a $1 dollar salary a year and one common stock, apple inc is always willing to up that amount...fortune magazine has reported that he was to be paid 3 million dollars a year but what the heck is that when you are a multibillionaire?

when equally rich ross perot ran for president, he quoted he would not take a salary if he won (kennedy also denied pay) and also said he would easily be willing to spend $40 million on tv campaigns alone from his own pocket...people who have that much money (two billion) can literally do stuff for free or change industries or politics (he certainly had bush and clinton running for cover)

to me, apple inc has changed my life way more than pixar has but i did like toy story and toy story 2

so to put it into scale, steve jobs is not at apple inc for the money, unless, like michael jackson, he somehow spent it all and is secretly broke ;)

[christophertin]

"I choo-choo-choose you!" (don't ask)

Ralph Wiggum!

[jefhatfield]

Do you know why Steve Jobs takes $1 a year in salary from Apple (and from Pixar as well)? So he gets TAXED on that amount of pay. One dollar. Who wouldn't love to be taxed as if that's all the money they were making?

Steve was given a private jet by Apple, which cost the company $90 million dollars. Did he give that back? No. In 2003 he was given $75 million in unrestricted Apple stock. Did he give that back? No. Steve Jobs would have actually saved Apple money by taking a normal executive salary.

I'm sure he loves what he does, but believe me if he wasn't making money (or was losing money), he wouldn't be at Apple. This is part of the "Steve Jobs is Christ" Mac evangelist ravings, and it's just pure misinformation.

I love the computers that Apple makes, but it's a company, just like Coca-Cola, Nike, etc.

i will agree with you on one thing, apple inc is a company and like any company, they need to consistently make a profit

one thing i really like about apple inc, is that they consistently make great products for us computer users

in my pc and network business, i have to deal with the pc side and i can't think of a company that impresses me (on the pc side) like apple inc

what really makes me upset are when i meet pc users who look at all the colors that apple used in products from 99-01 and call them "toys"...maddening, really

the apple lear jet's pilot is a good friend of ours and was once my wife's boyfriend, but that is a whole different thread ;)

[jefhatfield]

when you live in a small, small region like coastal northern california, everybody is into everybody's business

when i read this or that about steve jobs in the wall street journal or about david packard (hp), you have to remember in carmel, pebble beach and big sur (california), these are well known local people...david packard gave the area the seed money for our local aquarium

i am sure where you live, shazammy, there are people from your area that the press gets facts wrong about all the time

when i was in my mid 20s, i had a mentor named david packard and he just happened to own a major high tech company...no big deal, everybody in my town of less than 2,000 people had some connection with him...it is hilarious to hear what outsiders (of northern california) wrote about him...pure nonsense, mostly

ask macrumors member true777 or me about steve jobs and our stories of our local hero will differ from what you may have read about what some european or east coast junior journalist has written about him

sj is not some world wide hero, really, but he is still not some dude working as a ceo of apple inc for the money

i wish if you had the time, i would gladly invite you to my house to stay and you could meet several people who know steve jobs...ex-girlfriend who was a client of mine, former business partners, and of course, his private pilot

please pm me if you want to meet and we can go check out apple inc in cupertino...not what apple believers think it is...where we are, it's really no big deal like many outsider mac users seem to make it sound

-dan

aka jefhatfield

[shazammy]

I never said Steve Jobs was a bad guy, I said he was in it for the money, and I don't think anyone can really argue with that. He's also (like pretty much every other CEO) pulled some questionable and downright evil moves at times. For some insight read Fire in the Valley (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0071358927/qid=1119838121/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-8183013-5649714?v=glance&s=books) and you'll see what I mean. This doesn't mean that Apple hasn't produced some "insanely great" products, but Steve Jobs is not a god. Do some research before you evangelize.

Also, don't you think it's a bit strange to invite someone that you don't even know to come stay at your house? I hope you'll pardon me if I pass on that offer.

One of my close friends works at Apple Corporate in Austin, but for years he was in Cupertino and I had several visits up there. It's a corporate office, pretty much like every other. The lobby is a bit nicer than some, but it's not the gates of heaven.

Apple makes great computers and other products, and I enjoy using them, but I'm not going to wear a white robe and sing the praises of Steve Jobs around town. I'm not attacking the guy, I'm just saying that you're putting him on a pedestal for no reason.


when you live in a small, small region like coastal northern california, everybody is into everybody's business

when i read this or that about steve jobs in the wall street journal or about david packard (hp), you have to remember in carmel, pebble beach and big sur (california), these are well known local people...david packard gave the area the seed money for our local aquarium

i am sure where you live, shazammy, there are people from your area that the press gets facts wrong about all the time

when i was in my mid 20s, i had a mentor named david packard and he just happened to own a major high tech company...no big deal, everybody in my town of less than 2,000 people had some connection with him...it is hilarious to hear what outsiders (of northern california) wrote about him...pure nonsense, mostly

ask macrumors member true777 or me about steve jobs and our stories of our local hero will differ from what you may have read about what some european or east coast junior journalist has written about him

sj is not some world wide hero, really, but he is still not some dude working as a ceo of apple inc for the money

i wish if you had the time, i would gladly invite you to my house to stay and you could meet several people who know steve jobs...ex-girlfriend who was a client of mine, former business partners, and of course, his private pilot

please pm me if you want to meet and we can go check out apple inc in cupertino...not what apple believers think it is...where we are, it's really no big deal like many outsider mac users seem to make it sound

-dan



aka jefhatfield

[V.A.Toss]

but things have evolved into a kinder, gentler macrumors, that's all

Thrilling these days isnt it.


Anway,

Atlast an argument on this wretched forum with a bit of passion.

There are certain cases with Steve Jobs where he appears to be a ruthless business nazi, whilst posing as a relaxed sandal shod hippy. But really the truth is that when examining a character and his or her actions, you have to put them into the context of their profession. Compared to a gay french poet, yes Steve Jobs is a bit of a ruthless ****. But compared to other CEOs, even other pseudo-techies, he is merely competitive.

Dont get me wrong, i hate Steve Jobs. Particularly after abandoning IBM and the powerPC architecture. But the truth is he does what he does with Apple for the love of it.
Very very few CEOs would go back to a company that had essentially kicked him out, and try to turn it around. That certainly shows love, or a philosophical attitude.
But you think Steve Jobs took the reins at Apple because of profit, or if you think he wouldnt do it if he wasnt being paid, then your simnply wrong. And your argument falls down in this place, If he was a salary motivated CEO, then he would Never Ever have taken over at Apple with it in the state it was in. Alot of you forget quite what a dire situation apple was in when he took over, not only was the company going down the pan but really (crucially) the world had no need for Apple at that point, there was no demand for what they were producing, and thus there was no feasible way for Apple to survive.
He took over out of love, and a fresh aspect on computing.
No CEO would have taken over that company if they were simply interested in their 1 dollar salary plus healthy benefits. Unless ofcourse they did it out of love.

Still hate the ****er for dumping IBM though. But then i still hate IBM for dumping on Kasparov.

[jefhatfield]

Dont get me wrong, i hate Steve Jobs. Particularly after abandoning IBM and the powerPC architecture. But the truth is he does what he does with Apple for the love of it.


i totally agree

being that he spends four to five days a week at apple inc. since 1997 which has yielded him a dollar a year and one share of stock, and a lear jet he says he will not use after apple inc stay and only one day a week at pixar (which has garnered him nearly two billion dollars), it's easy to really see where his love and passion is

he can definitely be ruthless and difficult and i don't see myself liking or worshipping him (or seeing him as mother teresa), but i find it incredibly honorable that he spends 80% of his working time at a company that has given him less than ten dollars since his return to apple inc (plus that one share of apple stock) and he constantly gives back of monies they send/approve to give to him

it could very well be a selfish move on his part where it would make apple inc stupid to fire a man who has cost them less than a bottle of chardonnay...on some level he may not have emotionally got over having the company he started fire him...sj is now in a financial position...thanks 99% percent to pixar...where he can leave apple inc anytime he wishes and not need to be there for the money...plus who would need any extra money when there's another company that made you a multi-billionaire ;)

[shazammy]

But you see, you DO worship the guy, and you keep going on and on about his being charitable this, spending time here that, etc. And you keep giving out the misinformation. Steve has received (and accepted, and kept) MILLIONS of dollars in stock options since returning to the company in 1997. This one share of Apple stock thing is a myth, please do some research on it.

Additionally, the one dollar salary is for tax reasons. He gets millions in other bonuses, we covered this before. In 2002 alone Steve received $75 million in stock options from the company. Couple that with a $90 million dollar jet, and Steve has cost the company some real money. That's $165 million to those of you keeping count for those two items alone.

Here's a tidbit of research I just looked up on Google, which took about 2 seconds, thanks to my Google widget.

"In 2001, Apple also provided a special compensation package for Mr. Jobs that included a Gulfstream 5 executive jet. Apple agreed to pay approximately US$90 million for Jobs' use of the jet on company business. Because the aircraft was transferred to Mr. Jobs in 2001, the amount of approximately US$43.5 million paid by the company during fiscal year 2001 towards the purchase of the plane and the related tax assistance of approximately US$40.5million was reported as income to Mr. Jobs. In fiscal 2002, approximately US$2.27 million paid by Apple towards the purchase of the plane and approximately US$1.3 million in related tax assistance was reported as income to Mr. Jobs."

He never gave any of that stock back, nor has he given the jet back, nor refused to use it. In fact, he uses that jet frequently, which continues to cost the company money for fuel and maintenance costs alone. Where are you getting this information from that he's just returned everything to the company and whistles as he skips down the road to work, patting small children on the head and handing out free iPods?

i totally agree

being that he spends four to five days a week at apple inc. since 1997 which has yielded him a dollar a year and one share of stock, and a lear jet he says he will not use after apple inc stay and only one day a week at pixar (which has garnered him nearly two billion dollars), it's easy to really see where his love and passion is

he can definitely be ruthless and difficult and i don't see myself liking or worshipping him (or seeing him as mother teresa), but i find it incredibly honorable that he spends 80% of his working time at a company that has given him less than ten dollars since his return to apple inc (plus that one share of apple stock) and he constantly gives back of monies they send/approve to give to him

it could very well be a selfish move on his part where it would make apple inc stupid to fire a man who has cost them less than a bottle of chardonnay...on some level he may not have emotionally got over having the company he started fire him...sj is now in a financial position...thanks 99% percent to pixar...where he can leave apple inc anytime he wishes and not need to be there for the money...plus who would need any extra money when there's another company that made you a multi-billionaire ;)

[wrxsti86]

http://static.thepiratebay.org/downloadtorrent/3348964.torrent/MacWorld_Boston_1997_-_Steve_Jobs_Returns..3348964.TPB.torrent

MacWorldBoston1997.mov

[true777]

remember back when all those male macrumors users were in love with you? ;) so i say you definitely have what it takes to attract macusers

he's so close to you so i am sure you will run into him from time to time and i suggest wearing some apparel item with an apple logo on it...you can find racks of that clothing at the apple company store at apple in cupertino

but he still may think you are too young for him but not all guys are concerned about big age differences...look at tom cruise and his teenage girlfriend ;)


Hahaha. Thanks. I'll invite you to the wedding :)

[pubwvj]

Wow, I didn't realize Job was doing this - would have been a great speech to hear and experience. We didn't have anything like this for our graduation.

Aye, all we got at our graduation was some drone telling us to go out and be good work bees. Boring.

[~Shard~]

Aye, all we got at our graduation was some drone telling us to go out and be good work bees. Boring.

How uninspiring. With so many excellent speakers out there who have the ability to motivate our youth and help them to succeed, and can really speak to real-word issues and such that youth need to know about, I don't know why colleges, etc. resort to having such anemic speakers - it's really a shame.