How much can I get for a TiPowerbook 867

[Jordan3824]

Interested in possibly trading my Titanium Powerbook with 867MHz G4 processor, 512mb ram, combo drive, 15" screen, OS X 10.2.8, 40 gb hdd for a 12" G4 iBook with 1GHz processor. My Powerbook has normal wear and is approximately 2.5 years old. Would this be a fair trade? How much is my PB worth? Also, I keep hearing of the 12" bad screen issue where it is extremely dim and the lighting is uneven and what not, was the 1 GHz before the screen manufacturer change, if there even was one? Thanks

[Winstonp]

not sure about the lcd, but i had mine replaced 3 months ago. Interested in my machine?

-faster bus
-faster ram/more ram
-better video card
-warranty
-usb 2.0

;)

[Winstonp]

also let me add, I'm from pittsburgh and I can travel.

[Jordan3824]

Trade for the PB 12"? If so, what do you think of the screen? The screen on my 15" is awesome I think. I was hoping to trade for something with a faster CPU, though, to make the smaller screen justified. BTW, I live near Baltimore

[Winstonp]

I have owned your exact machine with a 1ghz processor. While your screen is much larger, I don't see any difference in brightness. Is there a computer store nearby or an apple store where you can check out the monitor? It's no different at all in my experience. never heard of that.

As for the processor. It will be faster, but you probably won't notice a difference. As for a 1ghz ibook compared to yours and mine, they will probably match evenly. The ibook "g4" is nowhere near as powerfull as a powerbook.

As I stated earlier though,

you get a faster bus on the processor
better/faster/more ram
a warranty til 9-06
better video card

so...with those things should be a bit swifter.

Whats' the shape of ur machine? Dents? paint chipping? any warranty?

Interested in my offer?

[ichoosedeath]

The ibook "g4" is nowhere near as powerfull as a powerbook.


What makes the new Powerbooks more "powerful" that a G4 iBook? Other than the 33MHz bus speed difference (or 66, depending on how you look at it) and the ability to extend the desktop (okay, a little better video all around)??

I am asking this because I was looking to buy a new iBook or PowerBook, but looking at pure specs, I don't see enough of a performance hit to justify $500 for the lowest level of either machine.

[Winstonp]

I wish I knew. Perhaps someone else could explain it.

I once had a 800mhz G4 ibook. I now have the 867mhz powerbook. I notice a huge difference, especially when I was handling big processes and multitasking. The powerbook was just much faster.
The ram was equal too.

If you took a 1ghz powerbook against a 1ghz ibook, you would def notice a differnce when you pushed each machine.


I think the processor itself, in the ibooks, is simply lower quality. I bought this machine instead of a 1.2 ghz ibook. (also because I like the powerbook keyboard+design)

[ichoosedeath]

Interested in possibly trading my Titanium Powerbook with 867MHz G4 processor, 512mb ram, combo drive, 15" screen, OS X 10.2.8, 40 gb hdd for a 12" G4 iBook with 1GHz processor. My Powerbook has normal wear and is approximately 2.5 years old. Would this be a fair trade? How much is my PB worth? Also, I keep hearing of the 12" bad screen issue where it is extremely dim and the lighting is uneven and what not, was the 1 GHz before the screen manufacturer change, if there even was one? Thanks


Would you be interested in just selling your powerbook straight-up??

[trentcanuck]

As you described it, you will be trading DOWN, to a far lesser computer.
If weight and portability is an issue, then you'll find the iBook easier to haul around, but otherwise, it's inferior in just about every respect (And I say this as the owner of a 1 Ghz G4 iBook!!).
The powerbook has a bigger screen, faster system bus, and L3 cache. And it's super-easy to swap in a high-speed hard drive, which also gives big performance improvement (doing so in an iBook is very difficult).

Compare them head-to-head, and I'm certain you'll find the powerbook to be faster than the iBook. (and if the condition of the 2 computers is equal, your Powerbook is worth about $100-200 more than the iBook).

[Jordan3824]

Winstonp,

Yes, I'm interested in your offer. Is there any particular reason you want to trade your Powerbook? From what you've said, it seems like yours is a better machine with regards to speed and wouldn't seem very fair of a trade. What was the reason for the screen replacement? I've been to both the Apple Store in Towson and the CompUSA there as well to look at the powerbooks and in both places they had the screen brightness turned to max on the 12 inches and it was about half the brightness of my Ti. If I turn the brightness all the way up on mine, it just about hurts my eyes.

As for the shape of my machine, well it is 2.5 years old, so it shows some wear. There never was any issue with paint flaking on mine so the paint is in tact. I'd say it's spent about 97% of its time in desktop use. The case does "go in" somewhat under the right palm rest. Hard to explain. There are some keyboard marks on the screen that may come off if rubbed, I'll have to check. They don't make the screen unclear at all and can only be seen with the screen off and if you tilt into the light in a certain way. Mechanically, everything on it is great. I will have to inspect it more thoroughly for more cosmetic info. How about the condition of yours? When did you buy it? BTW, there is no Airport installed.

If anyone has any idea to this computer's worth, please post. Thanks.

[Jordan3824]

Also, is there a difference between Level 2 and Level 3 cache? According to Apple's web site, mine has a 1 mb Leval 3 cache and the 867mhz 12" has 256k level 2 cache. Also, it says they both have the same bus speed? Can someone calrify? Thank you

[Winstonp]

oh really, I was under the impression that the aluminum line had faster buses. It looks as if they are the same. I do know that the newer revision powerbooks have a faster bus. The ramspeed on all the aluminum models is faster, however.


I really just want a computer with more screen. I also find the tibooks sexier.

As for my LCD. The back of my 12'' suffered impact of a couple books. The screen had some white spots. Applecare replaced the LCD so there are no more white spots. You can see slight dents(on the metal back of the LCD lid)...if you could even call them dents if you look REALLY hard. I can show you pictures.

Whats the battery life like on your machine?

Do you have pics of your machine?

[ichoosedeath]

I really just want a computer with more screen. I also find the tibooks sexier.


Do you have pics of your machine?


Uh oh.. I know where this is going.. Chicka Wowwww. :D

[Jordan3824]

LOL...

Anyway, yes, I can take some pics of my PB for your "enjoyment." I'd like to see some of yours too. As to battery life, it's pretty good. I think still as good as when I got it but I mostly keep it plugged in anyway. The 12" I'm sure is better due to its smaller screen.

[Winstonp]

you've got pm

[ichoosedeath]

Not to be annoying, but, I need some opinion here. I would make this a new post, but I don't think it is worthy of it, as you all seem very smart in this realm of Apple..

I am looking to buy a decent laptop, I had an iBook G3 800.. Well, I still have it, but the logic board crapped out (and apple says too bad, they logicboard repair extension is over).. I am wondering, I was very happy with my iBook (when it worked), but I really like the older Ti-PBs. Would say a Ti 667Mhz with a G4 run better than my iBook G3 800??

[Winstonp]

with flying colors.

[mkrishnan]

FWIW, I'm pretty much sure that the supposed screen change was rumored to be a change of the 12" PB screen to match the one the 12" iBook always had, and not a change to the 12" iBook.... I have a 12" iBook, and I find the screen to be similar in quality to better non-X-Brite screens on windows laptops I have used...but some people can't stand it.

Jordan, when you say the screen of the iBook you saw at the Apple store was much dimmer than your TiBook...did you actually look at the two of them in the same room, side-by-side? Through no fault of your own, your eyes adjustment to ambient lighting can make this kind of comparison very, very unreliable unless the computers are side by side. Not only the brightness of the room overall, but the direction of the lighting, the color spectrum, and also the other nearby bright things will have a big impact on judgments like this, and I don't think you'll be accurate in making them, even if you're aware of these factors, and try to outsmart your eyes, unless you do side-by-side.... Visual perception is not my specialty in psychology, but I have studied it....

[ichoosedeath]

with flying colors.


Alright.. let's back it up a step.. What about a 500Mhz TiBook? a 400? I'm super broke so I need to save as much money as I can.. There aren't to many benchmarks out there comparing a G4 400 to a G3 800...

[Winstonp]

that i could not say. That may be close. I could be wrong though. G4's are always running faster even when they are clocked to be "slower". If anything though, the 800mhz ibook G3 has a much better video card...

I'd personally take the powerbook because its just so nice. However, don't expect the smoothest graphics.

8mb vs 32mb :confused:

[Jordan3824]

mkrishnan,
It's good to hear two people say they are happy with the screen. With all I read on Apple's Discussion forums, it seemed like the displays were total crap. But, I guess 98% of the people who post on there are complaining and not praising. When I went in, I was somewhat predisposed to thinking the displays would be bad. The Apple store is (in Towson anyway) pretty bright and white so that could make the display seem dimmer. CompUSA also had them under a bright light. With my computer, I have no problem reading it outside on a sunny day. How about you with your 12" display?
Jordan

[mkrishnan]

Hmmm... I actually rarely do that. So I'm not sure. If memory serves, it's usable, but not great. I'm definitely not saying it's the brightest LCD I've used -- it's definitely nothing compared to my desktop LCD! :eek: But it was comparable to the last Thinkpad I had....

[mrgreen4242]

What makes the new Powerbooks more "powerful" that a G4 iBook? Other than the 33MHz bus speed difference (or 66, depending on how you look at it) and the ability to extend the desktop (okay, a little better video all around)??

I am asking this because I was looking to buy a new iBook or PowerBook, but looking at pure specs, I don't see enough of a performance hit to justify $500 for the lowest level of either machine.

The main thing that is actually going to be noticed when comparing an iBook to a PB is the harddrive. A lot of the newer PBs come with 5400rpm HDDs, which does make a difference over the 4200rpm varieties, especially when working with large files.

There is also more cache on some of the PBs if I recall, which can make a difference for large processing jobs, like music conversions and image filters... anything where a similar set of instructions are being run on a large set of data.

[ichoosedeath]

The main thing that is actually going to be noticed when comparing an iBook to a PB is the harddrive. A lot of the newer PBs come with 5400rpm HDDs, which does make a difference over the 4200rpm varieties, especially when working with large files.

There is also more cache on some of the PBs if I recall, which can make a difference for large processing jobs, like music conversions and image filters... anything where a similar set of instructions are being run on a large set of data.


I guess what I don't understand is, how can that have less L2 Cache on Chip, but call it the same processor? With Intel Machines, a Celeron is basically a P4 with hardly any cache on it.. But, to help in doing away with confusion to nut jobs like me, they gave it a new processor name.

I guess in the future, this will all be cleared up, one way or another. :mad:

[madmaxmedia]

I guess what I don't understand is, how can that have less L2 Cache on Chip, but call it the same processor? With Intel Machines, a Celeron is basically a P4 with hardly any cache on it.. But, to help in doing away with confusion to nut jobs like me, they gave it a new processor name.

I guess in the future, this will all be cleared up, one way or another. :mad:

I'm pretty sure that if a PB and an iBook have the same CPU, it has the same cache. (look at Apple-history.com, great site for specs.)

What can vary is bus speed, as well as obviously CPU speed. Current PB's have 166Mhz bus, I think the iBooks are still 133. And HD speed and cache is just as important, much of the delay normal users encounter are in loading apps and files, etc. which HD speed has a big impact on.

The PowerBooks have brighter screens. Not that the iBook screen is bad, but the PB is brighter. I had a current gen 12" iBook, and now have a Rev C. 12" PB. The difference is clear. But it's not that big of a deal, the iBook screen is fine and most people run at <100% brightness while on battery power anyways.