Eating Healthy...

[MacAztec]

I know there have been a lot of threads about food recently, but I thought I would post this one.

How many of you guys eat (or try to eat) healthy? Like low fat, low sugar type foods? I have been doing a lot of it lately, I like it. I am not out of shape at all, in fact I am in awesome shape, but I like knowing that I am eating good foods.

I went to the supermarket today and bought 96% Lean Ground Beef Patties. 4.5G Fat per patty, 24G of Protein. That is awesome! I cooked up two of them, with lowfat cheese, on whole wheat buns, with tomatos, red onions, ketchup, mustard, lettuce. VERY GOOD.

Another high protein, low fat meal I eat are "protein" dogs. Get fat free hot dogs, lowfat or fatfree chili, and lowfat cheese. Make a chili dog with this stuff, put it on whole wheat bread, and you have a chili dog that is about 2G fat, 24G protein! Sweet.


What are some foods that you eat that are low fat (recipes too)?

[mactastic]

Fish fillets pan-fried in about a half-teaspoon of oil in a non-stick pan. Pan sauce is optional. Lemon juice works just as well.

Rice is always good too.

Got a great veggieburger reciepe too.. Unfortunately it's at home at the moment, but I might be persuaded to drag it out if anyone's interested.

Pasta with tomatoes during the summer is another tasty low-fat meal.

For anyone who's interested, the Moosewood Low-Fat Favorites (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0517884941/ref=pd_sxp_f/103-0027883-9367864?v=glance&s=books) cookbook is an excellent source of tasty, healthy meals.

[rainman::|:|]

i've been making efforts, and while my diet would still scare even moderately healthy people, it's nothing compared to what i used to eat. I try to avoid red meat entirely, actually i try to avoid all meat, but fish is OK and chicken is damn near unavoidable (also so much tastier than tofu in a salad). Any meat I eat has to be lean, and if I so much as see someone eating the chunks of fat, i throw a fit (i'm terribly popular at formals). But on the other hand, i stay away from artificial sweeteners-- i'll do the whole, low-fat low-sugar alternatives, until i have to consume splenda or nutrasweet or whatever. Sorry, but processed sugar wins over ????. Above all else, I eat less now than ever (if you balance out the anorexic year with the binges, it's still more food than i eat now) and it's all food that serves my body better, which is a Good Thing. The best way I can tell my diet is OK, is that i stopped exercising a few months ago (had a seizure... and never got back in the habit, tho i need to) and yet i've continued to lose fat and build muscle mass. So at least I'm allowing my metabolism to coast.

edit: i'd love that veggiburger recipe, I keep making half-assed attempts to go vegitarian, but I can't find a protein substitute that I can stand!

[CanadaRAM]

Just watch out on the commercial "low-fat" foods, often the manufacturer substitutes sugar or starch instead of the fat - because they are cheap ingredients that bulk up the food and give good mouth feel. So low fat does not necessarily equal low calorie.

Arguably, a food with some saturated fat is better than food with high sugar or starch or hydrogenated (trans-) unsaturated fat.

[Doctor Q]

My default eating habits are healthful. That way, I can "cheat" for special occasions without too much concern. Nothing will guarantee good health, but we can certainly influence our chances.

If I'm with a group at a burger-oriented restaurant, I used to eat turkeyburgers as often as the standard beef ones, until I discovered that I actually prefer veggieburgers to turkeyburgers. What's in veggieburgers, anyway? More often, I pick salads.

There are cooked vegetables I don't like (mostly the orange ones), but I like almost all raw vegetables, for which I'm glad.

I don't recommend eating any one food in massive quantities, to the exclusion of others, even if people claim something in particular is good for you. A friend of mine once ate so many carrots that her skin became tinted! I think it's best to eat a varied diet and to make sure the foods you have the most often aren't particularly high in fat and calories. I'm still not sure if the dedicated carb counters are on to something or are swaying too much too one side of the diet-fad pendulum.

[dubbz]

I have to eat fairly health, else my stomach starts to act funny, in a very bad way.


It means I actually have to avoid most low-sugar food/drink since they often contain sugar-replacements that can be unhealthy for me.

I also try to avoid fat food, but on the other hand some fat whould do me good, since I'm pretty skinny. Much of it is actually pretty repulsive to me. I've never liked it. (At least not when there's layers of pure fat. Yuck!).
I stopped using butter on my bread when I was very young. When we were visiting some relatives of her, she actually had bribe me with a comic magazine so I'd eat the buttered bread. I don't have to bribed any longer, but I still don't like it :D

As for meat, it's mostly chicken. Occationally reindeer meat (it's somewhat expensive, though), which is pretty healthy.

I eat lots of bread. I'm not really a "dinner-person".

[Lau]

I try and eat fairly healthily. But I'd rather eat decent food than some processed low fat chemical stuff, i.e. proper ice cream with cream and sugar every once in a while rather than some low fat sweetened chemically rubbish every day.

[homerjward]

A friend of mine once ate so many carrots that her skin became tinted!
lol i did that when i was really little...like 1 or something. my parents got all panicky i was turning orange before they realized it was all the carrot baby food i was eating :D
i try to eat healthy, but i'm a sucker for red meat...

[mactastic]

edit: i'd love that veggiburger recipe, I keep making half-assed attempts to go vegitarian, but I can't find a protein substitute that I can stand!

Ok, here goes.
Canned lentils can be used, though some flavor will be sacrificed. Use a 15-ounce can, drain the lentils in a mesh strainer, and thoroughly rinse them under cold running water before spreading them on paper towels and drying them, as directed in step 1 below. If you cannot find panko, use 1 cup plain bread crumbs.


3/4 cup dried brown lentils, rinsed and picked over
2 1/2 teaspoons table salt
3/4 cup bulgur wheat
2 Tablespoons vegetable oil
2 medium onions, chopped fine (2 cups)
1 large celery rib, chopped fine (about 1/2 cup)
1 small leek, white and light green parts only, chopped fine (about 1/2 cup)
2 medium garlic cloves, minced or pressed through garlic press (2 teaspoons)
1 pound cremini or white mushrooms, cleaned and sliced about 1/4 inch thick (about 6 1/2 cups)
1 cup raw unsalted cashews
1/3 cup mayonnaise
2 cups panko (Japanese bread crumbs)
Ground black pepper
12 burger buns for serving

1. Bring 3 cups water, lentils and 1 teaspoon salt to boil in medium saucepan over high heat; reduce heat to medium-low and simmer, uncovered, stirring occasionally, until lentils are just beginning to fall apart, about 25 minutes. Drain in fine mesh strainer. Line baking sheet with triple layer paper towels and spread drained lentils over. Gently pat lentils dry with additional paper towels; cool lentils to room temperature.

2. While lentils simmer, bring 2 cups water and 1/2 teaspoon salt to boil in small saucepan. Stir bulgur wheat into boiling water and cover immediately; let stand off heat until water is absorbed, about 15 to 20 minutes. Drain in fine mesh strainer; use rubber spatula to press out excess moisture. Transfer bulgur to medium bowl and set aside.

3. Heat 1 tablespoon oil in 12-inch nonstick skillet over medium heat until shimmering. Add onions, celery, leek, and garlic; cook, stirring occasionally, until vegetables begin to brown, about 10 minutes. Spread vegetables on second baking sheet to cool; set aside. Add remaining 1 tablespoon oil to now-empty skillet; heat over high heat until shimmering. Add mushrooms and cook, stirring occasionally, until golden brown, about 12 minutes. Spread mushrooms on baking sheet with vegetable mixture; cool to room temperature, about 20 minutes.

4. Process cashews in food processor until finely chopped, about fifteen 1-second pulses (do not wash food processor blade or bowl); stir into bowl with bulgur along with cooled lentils, vegetable-mushroom mixture, and mayonnaise. Transfer half of mixture to now-empty food processor and pulse until coarsely chopped, fifteen to twenty 1-second pulses; mixture should be cohesive but roughly textured. Transfer processed mixture to large bowl; repeat with remaining unprocessed mixture and combine with first batch. Stir in panko, 1 teaspoon salt, and pepper to taste. Line baking sheet with paper towels. Divide mixture into 12 portions, about 1/2 cup each, shaping each into tightly packed patty, 4 inches in diameter and 1/2 inch thick; set patties on baking sheet; paper towels will absorb excess moisture. (Patties can be covered with plastic wrap and refrigerated up to 3 days, or frozen and kept in a ziplock bag for up to 3 months. If freezing, add one tablespoon extra panko per patty you intend to freeze.)

To cook on the grill: Build medium-hot charcoal fire or preheat gas grill on high. Using tongs, wipe grate with wad of paper towels dipped lightly in vegetable oil. Grill burgers, without moving them, until well browned, about 5 minutes; flip burgers and continue cooking until well browned on second side, about 5 minutes. Serve.

To cook on the stovetop: Heat 2 tablespoons vegetable oil in a 12-inch nonstick skillet over medium-high heat until shimmering; cook burgers, 4 at a time, until well browned, about 4 minutes per side, lowering heat to medium if browning too quickly. Repeat with additional oil and burgers. Serve.

(Cooked burgers can be kept warm in 250-degree oven for up to 30 minutes.)

Now, this isn't exactly the lowest of fat items, there is 1/3 cup mayo, but it's shared among 12 patties. The texture is a little fragile, so pack these suckers tight. The taste is awesome. Apparently, both mushrooms and cashews are high in 'the taste sensation called umami' which imparts a flavor tasters describe as 'meaty'. Tasty.

[Lau]

Ok, here goes.


Now, this isn't exactly the lowest of fat items, there is 1/3 cup mayo, but it's shared among 12 patties. The texture is a little fragile, so pack these suckers tight. The taste is awesome. Apparently, both mushrooms and cashews are high in 'the taste sensation called umami' which imparts a flavor tasters describe as 'meaty'. Tasty.

They look awesome. I'll definitely try them over the weekend and let you know how it went. Mmmm.

Thanks!

[evoluzione]

I try and eat fairly healthily. But I'd rather eat decent food than some processed low fat chemical stuff, i.e. proper ice cream with cream and sugar every once in a while rather than some low fat sweetened chemically rubbish every day.


that's the way to go, definitely.

all this processed meat is actually quite dangerous too. i won't eat anything with high fructose corn syrup in it. good food is more healthy, and by that i mean get a good pint of ice cream, with cream and sugar, the way it's supposed to be, it's better in every way, the low fat stuff with anything processed is so bad for you.

it's amazing how many people think they're eating healthy, when they really are not in the slightest. just simply stay away from anything that isn't natural and you'll do so much better.

[katie ta achoo]

Ooooo... I'm a sucker for healthy, yet DELICIOUS eating. Mmmm.

Corn Salad (http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/cooking/recipe/0,,FOOD_9936_23382,00.html)
I've made that recipe twice now, and it is SO FREAKING GOOD. I added 2 limes instead of the one, and OH. YUM.
You can even omit a lot of the oil, and have it be almost no-fat.

Ohh.. it's so good, stuffed into pita bread...
Mmm, home-made corn salad, stuffed into home-made, perfectly puffed pita bread! Yum!

(Tip to perfect pitas: the dough should be sticky, yet not stick to your hands, the oven needs to be FRIGGING hot, and a pizza stone helps so much. let it preheat to 15 minutes so the pizza stone gets hot.)

Yuummmm....

[scem0]

Be wary of "low fat" foods. They are often pumped full of chemicals and who knows what else. Be wary of the processed foods that claim to be healthy. Be wary of false advertising - orange juice is a better source of calcium than milk. Modern milk is not good for you! There are lots of nutrients but our bodies have trouble absorbing them. Homogenization makes the proteins in milk not able to be absorbed by the body. Cows are fed horrible food, pumped with hormones to make them produced more milk, live in horrible conditions, and then are pumped with antibiodics when they get sick (living in those conditions, I bet that happens more often than you'd expect), and those antibiotics can be transferred into their milk. Lots of studies point to milk to causing heart disease, type 1 diabetes in children, and cancer (not to mention obesity).

"The dairy industry continues to whitewash the dangers of cow's milk," Dr. Barnard tells USA Today. "The ubiquitous "milk mustache" campaign makes misleading claims about milk preventing osteoporosis, lowering blood pressure, and enhancing sports performance. Recent studies, including the Harvard Nurses' Health Study, have shown that milk offers no protection against broken bones. And, unlike prescription drug ads, the "mustache" ads don't reveal the many unwanted 'side-effects' of milk, among them increased risk of prostate and ovarian cancer, diabetes, obesity, and heart disease. . . "The dairy industry spends hundreds of millions of dollars promoting milk as being good for you when the evidence clearly shows it is not."
source: http://www.rense.com/general3/yech.htm

Sorry to go off on a rant, but I gave up milk on a diet and people always look at me like I'm crazy and tell me that "milk is good for you", when it isn't.

I try to eat organic, I try to eat 5 small meals a day, and I try not to eat anything with an ingredient that I cannot pronounce. I don't really have a problem staying away from desserts, never been a big fan of 'em myself (however you could wake me up from the dead with a good cinnamon roll).

scem0

[iGary]

You're worst enemies are:

Artificial colors, sweeteners and preservatives.
Non-distilled water (tap or otherwise).
Any oils other than olive or expeller pressed canola.

I'm about 30 pounds overwiehgt right now, as soon as I get back on this regimen, i'll be back in shap in no time, works a charm keeping the toxins out of your body.

[scem0]

While on the subject of toxins, many processed American foods put toooooooons of toxins into your body. If you eat a lot of snack foods and junk food you are probably filled up to the ears with toxins. There are many cleansing diets that work very well and they will give your immune system and your health in general a big boost. There are all kind of detoxifying teas and what not, I'm not sure how well those work. But after a detox diet you will feel clarity in your thinking, increased stamina, and decreased allergies.

Should have mentioned toxins in my first post.

scem0

[MacDawg]

Tuna

Packed in water of course


Woof, Woof - Dawg
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[scem0]

Tuna

Packed in water of course


Woof, Woof - Dawg


Get the dolphine safe though :).

Are there any brands that aren't dolphin safe anymore, though? So many people are advocates of 'safe' tuna.

I don't know about this so I'm just going to say this objectively, but many health experts recommend not eating tuna at the moment because of recent levels of mercury in tuna and other fish. I don't know if that's something you should be worried about though. Might be an interesting thing to google and do a little research on :).

scem0

[dubbz]

Non-distilled water (tap or otherwise).

Not neccessarly true. The water quality were I live is excellent, so drinking tap water shouldn't be a problem. Of course, that might not be true for most of the world...

Unless you had some other reason for staying away from it?

[evoluzione]

You're worst enemies are:
Non-distilled water (tap or otherwise).


why's that?? i always thought distilled water contains absolutely nothing and is only really good for filling up your car radiator no?

[iGary]

why's that?? i always thought distilled water contains absolutely nothing and is only really good for filling up your car radiator no?

It's pure water...what else are you looking for?

[Artful Dodger]

One big thing for me has been going to the market now that it's nice out and getting better veggies. Since I hurt my back and can't have my garden this year it's been a lot better than the cans or frozen stuff. Something to try is using pure honey to put on that grilled chicken or fish with some other spice if you like. I mostly grill my food (taste and I know how I like it) even in the winter :)
That veggiburger recipe looks good :)

[evoluzione]

It's pure water...what else are you looking for?


is it "pure water" though? doesn't water naturally have minerals etc in it? isn't that a good part of the water?

[devilot]

is it "pure water" though? doesn't water naturally have minerals etc in it? isn't that a good part of the water?
I agree... not to mention the fluoride that the govt. puts in. We all want beautful smilies, eh? :D And most people are used to drinking water w/ some minerals in it; if you were to taste distilled water (and were unused to it) it would taste rather, um, disgusting.

it's amazing how many people think they're eating healthy, when they really are not in the slightest. just simply stay away from anything that isn't natural and you'll do so much better.
That is so true these day. Wild caught salmon versus farmed. Farmed salmon are actually fed other ground up fish/ animal parts in the form of pellets turning the salmon into a most appetizing turd-colored brown-- that bright pink/orangey color is just a lot of dye. :( Also a lot of "dolphin safe" tuna is horrible for other sea critters. Numerous sea turtles are killed, sharks are snagged, etc. etc. Go Monterey Bay Aquarium and their seafood watch (http://www.montereybayaquarium.org/cr/seafoodwatch.asp)!

[MacDawg]

OK, I guess we can't drink the water or eat anything then...

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[scem0]

Just be cogniscant of what you eat, that's all.

Just because it says "studies show that this can help you lose weight" doesn't mean that it is healthy or that it will help you lose weight *cough* yogurt *cough* yoplait *cough*. I mean, a laxitave will cause me to lose weight, it is anything but healthy. Plus, I seriously doubt the accuracy of that study in the first place.

scem0

[QCassidy352]

I've always believed in a non-scientific, "go by feel" approach to eating healthy. For the most part, we know what's good for us and what isn't (though sometimes it can be surprising). As long as you practice moderation with regard to "unhealthy" foods, even those can be fine.

I find it incredible how the body usually knows what it needs. I often just have the urge to eat certain types of food (fruits, meats, etc.), whereas if I've eaten too much of one type of food, it starts to look very unappealing.

[Jaffa Cake]

Just watch out on the commercial "low-fat" foods, often the manufacturer substitutes sugar or starch instead of the fat - because they are cheap ingredients that bulk up the food and give good mouth feel. So low fat does not necessarily equal low calorie.That's spot on. I'd never been one for going for 'low-fat' alternatives (although I did have a reasonably healthy diet), but I was diagnosed with diabetes earlier in the year so obviously now I have to pay quite close attention to what's in my food. The first time I went around the supermarket after coming out of hospital I was shocked by how much sugar they actually put in in 'healthy' food – I'd just always been under the assumption that the stuff was low in sugar as well as fat.

It was certainly an eye opener...

[kjr39]

I am turning into more and more of a healthy eater as time goes by. I typically eat a bowl of corn flaked-based cereal with a separate glass of milk and a piece of fruit for breakfast. Lunch is whatever I want. That is the one meal of the day that I don't worry about what I am eating. That being said, if I know that I am going out for dinner that evening, I will usually have a salad for lunch.

Dinner is typically a salad with a little dressing on it. I actually like the taste of a salad without any dressing on it these days.... (Then again, sometimes I feel like if I eat another salad, I am going to crap a rabbit.)

A get a cup of coffee in the morning and a soda during the day. Other sugar drinks are off limits as is anything with the words 'diet' on it. I can't stand the substitutes that they put in and figure I would rather be fat than have thoes chemicals going through my body.

Water is my best friend and ice cold Evian is a must.

I don't try to be that strict with it, because I know that if I am, I will fall off of the routine...

I will say this, if you are under 25 eat everything you can!!!!! For some reason, my ability to eat and eat died at age 25....

[evoluzione]

I am turning into more and more of a healthy eater as time goes by. I typically eat a bowl of corn flaked-based cereal with a separate glass of milk and a piece of fruit for breakfast. Lunch is whatever I want. That is the one meal of the day that I don't worry about what I am eating. That being said, if I know that I am going out for dinner that evening, I will usually have a salad for lunch.

Dinner is typically a salad with a little dressing on it. I actually like the taste of a salad without any dressing on it these days.... (Then again, sometimes I feel like if I eat another salad, I am going to crap a rabbit.)

A get a cup of coffee in the morning and a soda during the day. Other sugar drinks are off limits as is anything with the words 'diet' on it. I can't stand the substitutes that they put in and figure I would rather be fat than have thoes chemicals going through my body.

Water is my best friend and ice cold Evian is a must.

I don't try to be that strict with it, because I know that if I am, I will fall off of the routine...

I will say this, if you are under 25 eat everything you can!!!!! For some reason, my ability to eat and eat died at age 25....

be careful even so, salad dressings are so high in fat sometimes. as for cereal, again, be careful, stay away from those with BHT preservatives etc, try and go for the wholewheat, or no wheat cereals, anything overly processed like white flour isn't all that good for you. it's amazing how much hi-fructose corn syrup is in the "healthy" cereals, like Kellogg's Special K for example, you're better off eating corn flakes.

soda's even worse, so much sugar, or even worse than that, again, HFCS.

i've recently turned vegetarian, and found it surprisingly easy. i do love to eat meat, but after seeing all the processed meats and all the packaged meats you get, well, how they make that really turned me off, the AgriBusiness in this country is shocking. the pollution they cause is unreal, and the disregard for public safety is equally as shocking. i saw a program on TV, "The Nature of Things" with David Suzuki and have not eaten meat since. I will however stilll eat (not that i have yet) local, organic meat, which tastes so so much better anyway.

i also eat organic as much as possible, the taste is just incredible in comparison.

[katie ta achoo]

i've recently turned vegetarian, and found it surprisingly easy. i do love to eat meat, but after seeing all the processed meats and all the packaged meats you get, well, how they make that really turned me off, the AgriBusiness in this country is shocking. the pollution they cause is unreal, and the disregard for public safety is equally as shocking. i saw a program on TV, "The Nature of Things" with David Suzuki and have not eaten meat since. I will however stilll eat (not that i have yet) local, organic meat, which tastes so so much better anyway.

i also eat organic as much as possible, the taste is just incredible in comparison.

When I went veggie, I started feeling healthier and healthier. It was amazing! I wasn't doing anything different, exercise-wise, but I just felt like I had more energy. I mysteriously lost four pound (bleh, just a drop in the bucket, haha) and my skin cleared up a lot. ROCK!

I also saw some thing on TV, where they were talking abou thow the meat industry is trying to remove all traces of violence from meat. Apparently, that's why you don't see whole pigs to buy at the grocery store, and why the meat is in nice white, little styrofoam tubs with a blood-sopper-upper. As more and more people are exposed to the horrible practices of the meat industry, it is inevitable that they are going to go veggie. The meat corporations are probably trying to clean up the packaging to the end-user as a last resort.

Sorry, end of veggie-related post and remembrance of what I saw on TV a few months ago.. hehe.

[mac-er]

You're worst enemies are:

Non-distilled water (tap or otherwise).



I thought I saw some studies recently that basically said tap water is really no different than most bottled water..

I think the bottled water companies try to brainwash you into buying their water. Of course, they will say that tap water is bad for you.

[wdlove]

I'm lucky that my wife always watches to purchase low fat items at the store. So we eat healthy. The important thing is to increase on fruits and vegetables, at least six servings per day. Oatmeal and plain nuts are good for the lowering cholesterol. I'm going to be anxious to receive the results of the study that I just completed. My cholesterol is normal, but my high (good) cholesterol tends to run low. So it will be good to know which of the three diets was better at raising my good cholesterol.

[Nanda Devi]

Yeah, I guess I'd consider myself a bit of a health food fanatic. I eat about 95% vegetarian (I'll occasionally have chicken) and gave up fast food about 5 years ago.

I'm also a big label-reader... always checking out the calories, sugars, sodium, etc. One thing I've really been trying to avoid lately is high-fructose corn syrup. It's amazing how many things that crap is in! I just discovered it's in the 100% whole wheat bread I always buy, so now I'm searching for a new brand that doesn't have it. Seems like just about all grocery-shelf bread has it...

But anyway, I always eat lots of fish, veggies, salads... no white bread, hardly any sweets, not a lot of processed foods, try to buy mostly organic, etc. And of course 2-3 liters of good old H20 a day.

I think my worst diet downfall is probably beer... especially in the summer, I just can't resist a nice cold microbrew in the evening. I just try to limit it to the weekends.

[evoluzione]

I think my worst diet downfall is probably beer... especially in the summer,


i hear ya, i've even started to try brewing my own, with surprisingly good results!

[stubeeef]

NOT healthy, I have lost 20# in the last 35 days, all diet, no excersise. This is the worst way to do it, but I am in a pinch.

I have been counting only calories, and not eating junk, or drinking calories (other than coffee-4cal per cup).
Tons of fresh fruit, salads, tomato sandwiches(yum), lean cuisine, the occasional Edy's slow churn ice cream ( measure 1/2 cup in a measuring cup, not packed, it's 130 cal). Airpop popcorn, no salt or butter, or anything. More fruit-apples, tangerines, grapes, grapefruit, canalope, blueberries(love em), etc......
Start working out tomorrow. Was 220# on June 4th, woke up this morning exactly 200#. Want to be in 180's by mid Aug.
I am taking multivitamins, vit C, B complex, baby aspirn, and Glucosamene/condroiten (sp) every morning, as well as 2-3 fiber Choice chewables. 8 tons of water every day too.

This is the worst way to lose wieght. But I have to due to some Navy Commitments I have.
Oh yea, I don't let any food go in my mouth after 7:30pm, and I try to eat by 6:30 if at all possible.

[wdlove]

NOT healthy, I have lost 20# in the last 35 days, all diet, no excersise. This is the worst way to do it, but I am in a pinch.

This is the worst way to lose weight. But I have to due to some Navy Commitments I have.
Oh yea, I don't let any food go in my mouth after 7:30pm, and I try to eat by 6:30 if at all possible.

Sorry to hear that you have run into trouble. I remember my time in the Air Force, they were strict about weight back into 1980's as well. So I used to feel for those having trouble. Please don't hate me, but my weight was just automatically below the limit. You should try to visit with a dietician on base to get you on a proper healthy weight control diet.

[stubeeef]

I only have about 12# to go in over 41days, at the rate I have been going it should not be a problem, especially since I start excercise tomorrow. Thanks though, not real worried about it for now. just got to keep it up.

[wdlove]

I only have about 12# to go in over 41 days, at the rate I have been going it should not be a problem, especially since I start exercise tomorrow. Thanks though, not real worried about it for now. just got to keep it up.

I'm still concerned about your overall health stubeeef. The way that you eat affects you in the future. Have you checked your cholesterol?

[MacAztec]

You're worst enemies are:

Non-distilled water (tap or otherwise).
Any oils other than olive or expeller pressed canola.


I think both of those are BS. I don't know one person that drinks Distilled water. That is just nasty. You need minerals in your water. I prefer tap water actually, as long as it doesn't taste like chlorine.

And Flax Seed Oil is VERY VERY good for you. There are tons of good oils out there.

[YS2003]

Good food:
whole grain bread (such as whole wheet, multi-grain, etc)
low fat AND low sugar yogurt
Penut butter
Banana
Blueberry
Vegitable salada without dressing (those dressing in the supermarket has so much fat, calory, salt)
chicken (white meat)
Tuna (canned tuna is good enough, as long as it is in water)
Olive oil
High quality cheese

Not so good:
alcohol (even low cal beer will increase sugar in your blood and gain weight in the areas you don't want: your tummy)
Egg
Red meat
white bread
cookies, cakes, and all sweets (I avoid them all)
High sugar fruit juice
Soft drink (I don't drink them)

The worst food:
Most of foods served at fast food chains such as Macdonald, Berger King, Taco Bell, Wendy's, and etd----I only set my foot there when I need to use a men's room)
Microwave food (mostly high in bad fat and high in salt)

Basically I only eat what I listed in "good food." I can keep my weight at 130 to 134 lbs range for a 5'8" figure. I lift dumb bells to tone my muscle.

[RAS admin]

I think both of those are BS. I don't know one person that drinks Distilled water. That is just nasty. You need minerals in your water. I prefer tap water actually, as long as it doesn't taste like chlorine.

And Flax Seed Oil is VERY VERY good for you. There are tons of good oils out there.


I also recommend flax seed oil and a good water filtration system for the tap.

[iGary]

I think both of those are BS. I don't know one person that drinks Distilled water. That is just nasty. You need minerals in your water. I prefer tap water actually, as long as it doesn't taste like chlorine.

And Flax Seed Oil is VERY VERY good for you. There are tons of good oils out there.

You can't cook with flax seed oil. And soybean, corn, and most other vegetable oils ARE better than hydrogenated oils, but are far from healthy.

We're not supposed to get mineral nutrition from water, minerals come from food. Chlorine is a toxin - and even small amounts are poisonous - hello, they put it in the water to disinfect it. All sorts of other goodies like mercury, lead and PCB's are in tap water, too. I'll keep my distiller running in the kitchen, thanks.

[devilot]

We're not supposed to get mineral nutrition from water, minerals come from food. Chlorine is a toxin - and even small amounts are poisonous - hello, they put it in the water to disinfect it. All sorts of other goodies like mercury, lead and PCB's are in tap water, too. I'll keep my distiller running in the kitchen, thanks.
Why not mineral nutrition from water? It exists that way naturally, as in, before humans started polluting our sources. Yes, chlorine is best not ingested, a filtration system for tap water is a good idea, but perhaps multi-step filtration (not necessarily distillation) such as a filter that uses ceramic and carbon-based, versus only charcoal (i.e. Brita, pur). I used to sell all sorts of "health and wellness" products including air and water filtration units.

[YS2003]

Why not mineral nutrition from water? It exists that way naturally, as in, before humans started polluting our sources. Yes, chlorine is best not ingested, a filtration system for tap water is a good idea, but perhaps multi-step filtration (not necessarily distillation) such as a filter that uses ceramic and carbon-based, versus only charcoal (i.e. Brita, pur). I used to sell all sorts of "health and wellness" products including air and water filtration units.
I buy spring water in a gallon plastic bottle for my drinking water and for making coffee. I know it's a pain buying those bottles and bringing them home. But, I look at this as an un-intentional exercise. It's like killing 2 birds with one stone (ie. exercise and chemcial-free drinking water). I even used to give spring water to my pet Chinchilla (but, I stopped doing it because it's getting too much of an hassel).

[sushi]

Just watch out on the commercial "low-fat" foods, often the manufacturer substitutes sugar or starch instead of the fat - because they are cheap ingredients that bulk up the food and give good mouth feel. So low fat does not necessarily equal low calorie.

Arguably, a food with some saturated fat is better than food with high sugar or starch or hydrogenated (trans-) unsaturated fat.
I would like to add to your good advice, that one might want to look out for salt/sodium. Many low fat foods are high in salt/sodium.

Sushi

[mactastic]

For anyone who can stand the heat, hot sauce is an excellent method of upping the flavor ante of otherwise-bland foods. But do find something other than Tobasco, not that I have anything against it per-se, but there are many more interesting sauces out there - even other vinegar-based sauces. This is an exceedingly low-fat way to improve flavor - one of the major problems with low-fat cooking.

For anyone who thinks they're exceedingly brave, I'd recommend a dash of Dave's Ultimate Insanity (http://www.firegirl.com/hs1125ui.html) sauce. Just be careful with it. I've made the most macho of heat-seekers cry with this stuff. :D

For those who like less heat stick to a mild jalapeno-based sauce.

[YS2003]

For anyone who can stand the heat, hot sauce is an excellent method of upping the flavor ante of otherwise-bland foods. But do find something other than Tobasco, not that I have anything against it per-se, but there are many more interesting sauces out there - even other vinegar-based sauces. This is an exceedingly low-fat way to improve flavor - one of the major problems with low-fat cooking.

For anyone who thinks they're exceedingly brave, I'd recommend a dash of Dave's Ultimate Insanity (http://www.firegirl.com/hs1125ui.html) sauce. Just be careful with it. I've made the most macho of heat-seekers cry with this stuff. :D

For those who like less heat stick to a mild jalapeno-based sauce.

That hot source makes me remember a hot wing one of the chain restaurant in Pittsburgh PA prepares. I think it was called something like Atomic Wings or something like that. God, their hot source shocked my digestive organ and I did not even want to take a dump next morning because it was too hot (it burned my you-know-what when I needed to go that next day). Sorry for mentioning this for people who are eating now.

[devilot]

I buy spring water in a gallon plastic bottle for my drinking water and for making coffee. I know it's a pain buying those bottles and bringing them home. But, I look at this as an un-intentional exercise. It's like killing 2 birds with one stone (ie. exercise and chemcial-free drinking water).
I agree that bottled water is probably better than tap. But there are still issues; do you know for a fact when the manufacturers last changed their filters? Do you know what kind of fiiltration they use? Do you know what the shelf life of that bottle of water has been? Etc. etc. But I drink bottled water myself as I can't afford the darn units that I used to sell. Just try to avoid Dasani (which is Coke) and Aquafina (which is Pepsi) as they are essentially fancy packaging for water that hasn't been passed through particularly reliable filtration (it's the equivalent of using a Brita pitcher, so just get a Brita instead of the overpriced Dasani and Aquafina).

[YS2003]

I agree that bottled water is probably better than tap. But there are still issues; do you know for a fact when the manufacturers last changed their filters? Do you know what kind of fiiltration they use? Do you know what the shelf life of that bottle of water has been? Etc. etc. But I drink bottled water myself as I can't afford the darn units that I used to sell. Just try to avoid Dasani (which is Coke) and Aquafina (which is Pepsi) as they are essentially fancy packaging for water that hasn't been passed through particularly reliable filtration (it's the equivalent of using a Brita pitcher, so just get a Brita instead of the overpriced Dasani and Aquafina).
Yeah, I also avoid those bottled water which are marketed agressively by the companies. Mostly, the marketing angels are skewed toward "fashion" than the quality of water they market. Also, if those companies (such as Aquafina and Dasani) are spending a massive amount of money to market "water," I will worry about which part of their operations is cutting corners (I think it is the quality part they are cutting so that they can spend money on TV and media). I will just go with the store brand spring water you can buy $0.69 to $0.99 a gallon.

[devilot]

That hot source makes me remember a hot wing one of the chain restaurant in Pittsburgh PA prepares. I think it was called something like Atomic Wings or something like that. God, their hot source shocked my digestive organ and I did not even want to take a dump next morning because it was too hot (it burned my you-know-what when I needed to go that next day). Sorry for mentioning this for people who are eating now.
Haha, there's a "restaurant" in San José called, Cluck Yu or something that serves crazy wings in a "911 challenge" where if the contender can successfully finish 10 wings (meaning, keep it all in and within the time limitations) than you get a commemorative t-shirt and I think your wings will be free. You have to sign a waiver before attempting the challenge as previous challengers have ended up in the hospital. :eek: My two friends are hot sauce junkies (one is Korean and he fits the hot-sauce-loving stereotype): they attempted the challenge, and one let it all come up after 2 wings. The other guy also managed 2 wings, but decided to try to keep it down... his "lower" (uh hem) digestive track was shot for almost a week.

Oh yes, did I forget to mention that you're not allowed drinks or celery while "eating" the wings?! :p

[evoluzione]

Good food:
whole grain bread (such as whole wheet, multi-grain, etc)
low fat AND low sugar yogurt
Penut butter
Banana
Blueberry
Vegitable salada without dressing (those dressing in the supermarket has so much fat, calory, salt)
chicken (white meat)
Tuna (canned tuna is good enough, as long as it is in water)
Olive oil
High quality cheese

Not so good:
alcohol (even low cal beer will increase sugar in your blood and gain weight in the areas you don't want: your tummy)
Egg
Red meat
white bread
cookies, cakes, and all sweets (I avoid them all)
High sugar fruit juice
Soft drink (I don't drink them)

The worst food:
Most of foods served at fast food chains such as Macdonald, Berger King, Taco Bell, Wendy's, and etd----I only set my foot there when I need to use a men's room)
Microwave food (mostly high in bad fat and high in salt)

Basically I only eat what I listed in "good food." I can keep my weight at 130 to 134 lbs range for a 5'8" figure. I lift dumb bells to tone my muscle.


i disagree with some of your good foods there...and also with alcohol, red wine is good for you for example. as for whole grain breads, well, look at the ingredients, a lot have white flour high up on the list, not good. canned tuna should be eaten moderately too, high levels of mercury/heavy metals etc if i remember correctly. high quality cheese is a good point though, don't go for any of the "plastic" cheeses for example, they really taste crappy in comparison anyway. but, dairy, and wheat, should be taken in moderation, our bodies aren't the best as processing them :)

[oldschool]

It's pure water...what else are you looking for?


you really dont' want to drink distilled water. it can cause things like hypothyroidism and other things. it's really good for nothing else than filling up the radiator (like someone already mentioned) and for science experiments :D

[kjr39]

be careful even so, salad dressings are so high in fat sometimes.

Typically just a teaspoon or two of dressing for a whole salad. I prefer italian and the bit of fat is fine with me.

as for cereal, again, be careful, stay away from those with BHT preservatives etc, try and go for the wholewheat, or no wheat cereals, anything overly processed like white flour isn't all that good for you. it's amazing how much hi-fructose corn syrup is in the "healthy" cereals, like Kellogg's Special K for example, you're better off eating corn flakes.

Wheaties, Corn Flakes or Frosted Flakes (for a treat) is my normal breakfast. Add in a banana or whatever piece of fruit is lying around and that is breakfast. Oh, and a cup of coffee. (kjr has an hour drive starting at 6:00 am and without coffee, he is dangerous.)

soda's even worse, so much sugar, or even worse than that, again, HFCS.

Soda is my vice. I have about 1 20oz per day. I don't smoke, rarely drink and get regular exercise. Having tried to cut soda out of my diet over a half a dozen times, it just doesn't work and I go extreme in making bad choices...

i've recently turned vegetarian, and found it surprisingly easy. i do love to eat meat, but after seeing all the processed meats and all the packaged meats you get, well, how they make that really turned me off, the AgriBusiness in this country is shocking. the pollution they cause is unreal, and the disregard for public safety is equally as shocking. i saw a program on TV, "The Nature of Things" with David Suzuki and have not eaten meat since. I will however stilll eat (not that i have yet) local, organic meat, which tastes so so much better anyway.

i also eat organic as much as possible, the taste is just incredible in comparison.

Couldn't do it. I like my filets and chicken too much to cut out meat.

Everything in moderation when it comes to food. Overall, as long as I balance it out by eating healthy most of the time and getting good exercise, I am happy. I have gone to the extreme too many times to only fall off of the bandwagon and bounce back. As of right now, I'm on a steady decline to 200 (203 right now) from a high of 237. And, most of all, I'm happy...

[kjr39]

Haha, there's a "restaurant" in San José called, Cluck Yu or something that serves crazy wings in a "911 challenge" where if the contender can successfully finish 10 wings (meaning, keep it all in and within the time limitations) than you get a commemorative t-shirt and I think your wings will be free. You have to sign a waiver before attempting the challenge as previous challengers have ended up in the hospital. :eek: My two friends are hot sauce junkies (one is Korean and he fits the hot-sauce-loving stereotype): they attempted the challenge, and one let it all come up after 2 wings. The other guy also managed 2 wings, but decided to try to keep it down... his "lower" (uh hem) digestive track was shot for almost a week.

Oh yes, did I forget to mention that you're not allowed drinks or celery while "eating" the wings?! :p

This place used to be a challenge at a place I used to work at. If I remember right, the record was 4 for the longest time until a vegan came into the team and decided to try it. He won and I believe it was 8 of them he got down. I still have the pics of him gulp pepto and water while sitting on the floor of the bathroom.

(yes, I did say a vegan.)

[evoluzione]

not wanting to sound like i'm preaching or anything, but i figure this is as good a thread as any to post this...

ok, here's a link (http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs.asp?video=meet_your_meat ) to a video that i was emailed this morning (very shocking, so be warned). it's seeing things like this that made me go vegetarian, and make it surprisingly easy....and for those that like chicken too much for example, i did too, and yeah i miss it once in a while, but try it out, it's not as hard as you may think.

i love(d) eating meat, but i love animals more, and when i see myself supporting the disgusting AgriBusinesses that runs the meat industries in the USA, well, i find it extremely easy to not pick up that packaged meat.

please take a look at the video, watch the whole thing if you can. and yes i realise that it's biased, and edited for full effect, but even so, the images are not fake, and that's more than enough for me.

and, having seen the video, think about it, how can you consume meat that's been through the hell that those animals have...the best meat is, and has always been, meat that is from animals, that have lived a stress free and humane life, why do you think organic tastes so so much better?

thank you

[katie ta achoo]

not wanting to sound like i'm preaching or anything, but i figure this is as good a thread as any to post this...

ok, here's a link (http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs.asp?video=meet_your_meat ) to a video that i was emailed this morning (very shocking, so be warned). it's seeing things like this that made me go vegetarian, and make it surprisingly easy....and for those that like chicken too much for example, i did too, and yeah i miss it once in a while, but try it out, it's not as hard as you may think.

i love(d) eating meat, but i love animals more, and when i see myself supporting the disgusting AgriBusinesses that runs the meat industries in the USA, well, i find it extremely easy to not pick up that packaged meat.

please take a look at the video, watch the whole thing if you can. and yes i realise that it's biased, and edited for full effect, but even so, the images are not fake, and that's more than enough for me.

and, having seen the video, think about it, how can you consume meat that's been through the hell that those animals have...the best meat is, and has always been, meat that is from animals, that have lived a stress free and humane life, why do you think organic tastes so so much better?

thank you


Last summer, when I had a really unstructured job, where my internet usage was unmonitored (hehe) I browsed the interweb. (I finished my work early! so kill me!) I somehow ended up on peta, and ! I was shocked!

I officially went Veggie on July 15. I didn't wake up and say "no more meat!" it just kind of... happened.. without me noticing.


Oh, about the chicken thing? Veggie patch makes these awesome little chick'n nuggets. SO GOOD. They're cheaper compared to chicken, too! (at least where I shop) Microwave them for a minute, get out the ketchup and Mmmm...
You can even boil up some noodles, cut the chick'n into strips, put them on top of the spaghetti and sauce it up-- pretend it's chicken primavera (something like that) it's so incredibly good... and tortured-chicken-free!

it's even slightly healthy (ignore the 200g of carbs in one meal, haha)!

Rrgghh.. it's three AM and now I want some. I'll just sleep it off. :p

[Lau]

ok, here's a link (http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs.asp?video=meet_your_meat ) to a video that i was emailed this morning (very shocking, so be warned).

:eek:

I have been thinking about this for a while, and that has given me the kick up the arse I needed.


...the best meat is, and has always been, meat that is from animals, that have lived a stress free and humane life, why do you think organic tastes so so much better?


I think (because of what I said above), as I try to avoid processed stuff, that I will still eat decent fish from our amazing local fishmonger and decent meat very occasionally. Stuff you know is ok, from a local farm.

But that video has also made me think seriously about milk. I can't stand the stuff, but I do eat loads of cheese, as it is a very fabulous thing. I'll have to look into cheeses that you can verify how they were made too.

[jelloshotsrule]

not wanting to sound like i'm preaching or anything, but i figure this is as good a thread as any to post this...


oh quit crying about the "poor animals" and eat your steak/burger/shiteating poultry/etc. ;)

[kjr39]

I love animals too. They taste great.

how can you consume meat that's been through the hell that those animals have...

I find the best way is to use a fork and a good sharp knife.

grew up in a farming community...
seen animals slaughtered...
ate them later...

[dubbz]

Careful now, or this thread will turn into "Eating morally..." or something :p

[evoluzione]

I love animals too. They taste great.



I find the best way is to use a fork and a good sharp knife.

grew up in a farming community...
seen animals slaughtered...
ate them later...


and what sort of "farming community" was it? a "real" one? or was it agribusiness (where the profit comes first and the animal, and food quality come last)?

i have no problem with the former, just a huge problem with the latter


jello ... lucky you put the ;) at the end, otherwise i would've ripped you a new one :)

[MacAztec]

oh quit crying about the "poor animals" and eat your steak/burger/shiteating poultry/etc. ;)

I was just about to say that. Hell, if it keeps me alive, I will eat it.

[jelloshotsrule]

I was just about to say that. Hell, if it keeps me alive, I will eat it.

seriously brah, it's all about looking out for #1. if i'm hungry, i'll eat what i want. who gives a **** about some stupid little furballs that can't even communicate in english like us. i'm doing a favor to those cows putting them out of their misery just standing around eating grass all the time. what a ***** joke.

and so on: if i can't find the money to buy something i want, i'll take it. so what? as long as i'm all good

[mactastic]

Someone's been to see Les Miserables lately? :p

[jelloshotsrule]

i ate a big sloppy cheesesteak during it. (98% lean, lowfat cheez wiz, whole wheat bun, lettuce, tomato)

[evoluzione]

seriously brah, it's all about looking out for #1. if i'm hungry, i'll eat what i want. who gives a **** about some stupid little furballs that can't even communicate in english like us. i'm doing a favor to those cows putting them out of their misery just standing around eating grass all the time. what a ***** joke.

and so on: if i can't find the money to buy something i want, i'll take it. so what? as long as i'm all good


you ****ing serious? those cows are lucky if they even see a blade of grass you narrow minded prick. who give's ****? plenty of people, and if i ever see you on the street, well, i'll look out for myself and punch your ****ing lights out, how's that? i don't give a **** about you, so what's the difference?

don't come and act like a 5 year old in a thread that's supposed to be a serious discussion on healthy eating...i've given my views on it, and i'd expect others to do the same. i don't think you've made one worthwhile comment so far.

[mactastic]

you ****ing serious? those cows are lucky if they even see a blade of grass you narrow minded prick. who give's ****? plenty of people, and if i ever see you on the street, well, i'll look out for myself and punch your ****ing lights out, how's that? i don't give a **** about you, so what's the difference?

don't come and act like a 5 year old in a thread that's supposed to be a serious discussion on healthy eating...i've given my views on it, and i'd expect others to do the same. i don't think you've made one worthwhile comment so far.
Wow, that's a lot of anger over Jello's post... Lighten up a little.

[evoluzione]

Wow, that's a lot of anger over Jello's post... Lighten up a little.


what do you expect with the way he's acting? talk about insensitive :rolleyes:

[mactastic]

what do you expect with the way he's acting? talk about insensitive :rolleyes:

Yeah but you're the one stooping to personal insults. And knowing JLo, there's a hefty dose of sarcasm in there.

[evoluzione]

Yeah but you're the one stooping to personal insults. And knowing JLo, there's a hefty dose of sarcasm in there.


that's why i didn't have a go right away, but jeez, come on, have a little tact, i'm all for sarcasm, but it doesn't always work.

[Lau]

Just to jump in, I tried Mactastic's veggie burger recipe on the first page tonight and it was very tasty indeed. Even my meat loving boyfriend loved em. And I had the corn salad Katie Ta Achoo suggested on the side and it was also excellent.

Thanks guys!

[mactastic]

Just to jump in, I tried Mactastic's veggie burger recipe on the first page tonight and it was very tasty indeed. Even my meat loving boyfriend loved em. And I had the corn salad Katie Ta Achoo suggested on the side and it was also excellent.

Thanks guys!

Very welcome... glad you enjoyed them. I've still got about 6 of them in my freezer from that last time I made them. :)

[aboutthat]

Best solution I've found to eating healthy:

Date a vegetarian for a year!

My last boyfriend was a vegetarian and introduced me to a lot of foods I'd never really had a desire for, most notably tofu, which I usually eat a few times a week now and I've learned to prepare. It's amazing what you'll try when you're in love lol :)

Outside of that, the biggest thing I've found is to get quality, fresh products when you're cooking vegetarian/healthy, especially when fruits and veggies are concerned. Often it makes the biggest difference as to whether something is wonderful or bland is what you make it with, so go and get the good stuff if you can afford it (I'm a student, I know it's not always possible). Just my two cents!

[Lau]

Thanks Mactastic, I've also frozen 6, and have a little bit that wasn't big enough for another burger I made into two little "meatballs" to crumble over a salad tomorrow. Mmmmmm.

Aboutthat, I'm fighting against the polar opposite of a vegetarian, but when I cook, I'm in control. And I usually cook. :) And he enjoyed Mactastic's veggie burgers (TM), so there is hope! Sounds like you've got a good philosophy going on as far as the rest of what you eat goes too.

[katie ta achoo]

you ****ing serious? those cows are lucky if they even see a blade of grass you narrow minded prick. who give's ****? plenty of people, and if i ever see you on the street, well, i'll look out for myself and punch your ****ing lights out, how's that? i don't give a **** about you, so what's the difference?

don't come and act like a 5 year old in a thread that's supposed to be a serious discussion on healthy eating...i've given my views on it, and i'd expect others to do the same. i don't think you've made one worthwhile comment so far.

Two things:
#1. I think I love you. :p

seriously brah, it's all about looking out for #1. if i'm hungry, i'll eat what i want. who gives a **** about some stupid little furballs that can't even communicate in english like us. i'm doing a favor to those cows putting them out of their misery just standing around eating grass all the time. what a ***** joke.

and so on: if i can't find the money to buy something i want, i'll take it. so what? as long as i'm all good

#2. "...can't even communicate in english like us..."
What about the apes that learn sign language?
Pigs are also incredibly intelligent. (Pigs are very intelligent. This is usually a positive trait, and in fact pot bellied pigs are quite trainable, much the same as a dog (i.e. can be house trained, leash trained, and will learn a few tricks). However, their intelligence can make them a bit of a handful, too. They are curious and playful, but also head-strong and sensitive. Without appropriate stimulation, they will become easily bored, and possibly destructive. From http://exoticpets.about.com/cs/potbelliedpigs/a/pbpexpect.htm ) But since they can't speak in english, it's ok for us to kill them?
Even though the pigs may not squeal in english, anyone with ears can hear the pain, suffering, and torture they go through when they hang them upside down and stick them. (I think that's the word.. I haven't really worked in the pork industry.)

I haven't had meat in a year (minus four days) and my cholesterol reflects that. Even though I'm only 17, before I went veggie, I was a hamburger fiend. I was probably on my way to one of those horrible teenage heart attacks you see on the news sometimes. Now, I'm down to a totally sweet(and parental-jealousy inducing) 179 total cholesterol (which I attribute to healthy, cholesterol-free eating for a year.) Rock!

Whoops? What am I doing, standing on top of this soap box... Sorry!!
*crushes box with hammer* I'll just get rid of this.
(sorry, I just get worked up about my veggie-ness sometimes!)




LAU- Ohh yea, that corn is good. I can get all the ingredients from the dollar store, which makes me love it even more!!! :) :) Really, you must try stuffing it in a pita. GOOD EATS. (and cheap!!)

[Lau]

Katie - I promise. :p Though you should try a little of it cold in a bun on top of one of Mactastic's veggie burgers, is also awesome. A bit like a chutney pickle sort of thing, but fresher tasting.

As for the veggie vs meat thing - the main reason that I try and restrict meat is purely selfish. Meat where the animal is happy/isn't full of antibiotics/etc. tastes better and I think is better for me in the long run. The fact that the animals are better off is a great bonus, and I really do think it's good, but I'm not an animal lover particularly.

edit: Just to clarify what I'm blathering on about - I think we all do eat too much meat, and also decent meat is expensive, so it's more of a treat thing, hence I try not to have it all the time. And the bit about being selfish - i just mean that some say that they don't care about the animals, therefore they eat meat - I don't hugely care about the animals, but I do care what goes inside me!

[katie ta achoo]

Katie - I promise. :p Though you should try a little of it cold in a bun on top of one of Mactastic's veggie burgers, is also awesome. A bit like a chutney pickle sort of thing, but fresher tasting.

As for the veggie vs meat thing - the main reason that I try and restrict meat is purely selfish. Meat where the animal is happy/isn't full of antibiotics/etc. tastes better and I think is better for me in the long run. The fact that the animals are better off is a great bonus, and I really do think it's good, but I'm not an animal lover particularly.

Stop telling me all about this good food! I'll have to roll to and from the Apple store! (think violet in Willy Wonka. :) )

I think the meat thing is that I'm just a modern-day hippie. I'm always trying to save stray cats, I give water to dogs I see tied up in the 100+ degree Houston sun, I recycle EVERYTHING.
I wonder what it'll be like-- the first member of the FOMC to wear hemp shoes to the meeting.

/gonna get a Ph.D in economics. Oh yes.

[Lau]

Ah, but you'll be rolling having experienced Mactastic's burgers!* Which is worth it :)

And don't get me started on recycling, I'm a bit of a fiend...


* This isn't a dirty euphenism, even if it looks like it ;)

[MacAztec]

I'm sure some people will get offended by this (although I don't think they should be), but I thought of a pretty cool idea. Here it is:

You know how animal shelters put down 1000s of cats and dogs all the time, each day? Why not make those cats and dogs food for thet homeless or the starving people in third world countries?

Food for thought...

[barneygumble]

You can't cook with flax seed oil. And soybean, corn, and most other vegetable oils ARE better than hydrogenated oils, but are far from healthy.

We're not supposed to get mineral nutrition from water, minerals come from food. Chlorine is a toxin - and even small amounts are poisonous - hello, they put it in the water to disinfect it. All sorts of other goodies like mercury, lead and PCB's are in tap water, too. I'll keep my distiller running in the kitchen, thanks.

That is the biggest load of tripe i have ever read, mineral nutrition is not reliant on source at all merely quantity. There is no chlorine left at the tap and even if their is it will come out as you pour it out of the tap leave it in the fridge for 1/2 an hour and all of it will be gone. I'm not even going to bother telling you whats wrong with the metals christ you get more lead out of the atmosphere, do you have lead plumbing? if not you're fine


want to know what the healthiest water is, clear mountain streams, naturally filtered, good mineral content and bacteria, bacteria is not neccisarily bad for you build up a resistance to things, i know i seldom get sick and i grew up on it

[jelloshotsrule]

Two things:
#1. I think I love you. :p


oops, i think you meant to put that after the quote from me. ;)


#2. "...can't even communicate in english like us..."
What about the apes that learn sign language?
Pigs are also incredibly intelligent. (Pigs are very intelligent. This is usually a positive trait, and in fact pot bellied pigs are quite trainable, much the same as a dog (i.e. can be house trained, leash trained, and will learn a few tricks). ...But since they can't speak in english, it's ok for us to kill them?
Even though the pigs may not squeal in english, anyone with ears can hear the pain, suffering, and torture they go through when they hang them upside down and stick them. (I think that's the word.. I haven't really worked in the pork industry.)

I haven't had meat in a year (minus four days) and my cholesterol reflects that. Even though I'm only 17, before I went veggie, I was a hamburger fiend. I was probably on my way to one of those horrible teenage heart attacks you see on the news sometimes. Now, I'm down to a totally sweet(and parental-jealousy inducing) 179 total cholesterol (which I attribute to healthy, cholesterol-free eating for a year.) Rock!

Whoops? What am I doing, standing on top of this soap box... Sorry!!
*crushes box with hammer* I'll just get rid of this.
(sorry, I just get worked up about my veggie-ness sometimes!)


sign language isn't english is it? pigs smart? rolling around in your filth is smart? and regardless, you saw what happens at the end of animal farm..

subtlty and sarcasm do not work well on people who don't know you quite as well. where's rower and vniow and britboy when you need em?

i've been vegetarian (and various stages of vegan) for 6+ years. :confused: :eek:

[mactastic]

I'm sure some people will get offended by this (although I don't think they should be), but I thought of a pretty cool idea. Here it is:

You know how animal shelters put down 1000s of cats and dogs all the time, each day? Why not make those cats and dogs food for thet homeless or the starving people in third world countries?

Food for thought...
Well it's not really an original idea, although you put a new twist on it... Try reading this! (http://art-bin.com/art/omodest.html) :p






Remember folks, this is satire. So no one go around telling people I suggested people should eat their children please.

[katie ta achoo]

subtlty and sarcasm do not work well on people who don't know you quite as well. where's rower and vniow and britboy when you need em?

i've been vegetarian (and various stages of vegan) for 6+ years. :confused: :eek:



Damned sarcasm not working on the internet.

I propose a new font.
a better font
with regular, bold, italic, underlined, and sarcas-matic.

Get crackin' on it, Steve jobs! I'll give you a cookie once you finish!!

[vniow]

subtlty and sarcasm do not work well on people who don't know you quite as well. where's rower and vniow and britboy when you need em?


Whatever, you don't need those blokes around as long as I'm here j-lo.

[vniow]

Haha, there's a "restaurant" in San José called, Cluck Yu or something that serves crazy wings in a "911 challenge" where if the contender can successfully finish 10 wings


Oh hell yeah. I went there after a mini-conference in San Jose for the company I was doing at the time and while they were out of the 911s when I went, I tried the #6 on the hot scale out of 10 (I think) and I was ****ing burning up. There was no way I would have survived the 911 so I'm sorta glad there wasn't any left when I went!

I don't think they're called Cluck U anymore though, something else but I don't remember what...

[devilot]

Oh hell yeah. I went there after a mini-conference in San Jose for the company I was doing at the time and while they were out of the 911s when I went, I tried the #6 on the hot scale out of 10 (I think) and I was ****ing burning up. There was no way I would have survived the 911 so I'm sorta glad there wasn't any left when I went!

I don't think they're called Cluck U anymore though, something else but I don't remember what...
Haha, yeah, I wasn't there to watch those boys get burned but I'm glad I missed the show. I think the restaurant had to change the name because of a pre-existing chain from the east coast that this place ripped off. I don't know this for sure though...

[florencevassy]

not wanting to sound like i'm preaching or anything, but i figure this is as good a thread as any to post this...

ok, here's a link (http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs.asp?video=meet_your_meat ) to a video that i was emailed this morning (very shocking, so be warned). it's seeing things like this that made me go vegetarian, and make it surprisingly easy....and for those that like chicken too much for example, i did too, and yeah i miss it once in a while, but try it out, it's not as hard as you may think.

i love(d) eating meat, but i love animals more, and when i see myself supporting the disgusting AgriBusinesses that runs the meat industries in the USA, well, i find it extremely easy to not pick up that packaged meat.

please take a look at the video, watch the whole thing if you can. and yes i realise that it's biased, and edited for full effect, but even so, the images are not fake, and that's more than enough for me.

and, having seen the video, think about it, how can you consume meat that's been through the hell that those animals have...the best meat is, and has always been, meat that is from animals, that have lived a stress free and humane life, why do you think organic tastes so so much better?

thank you

Yikes, thanks for the video. I tend to eat a lot of vegetarian foods (I eat a lot of veggie burgers, beans and tofu) but I can't go completely meat free. But that is something to think about!

I was checking out the petatv site. Wow, pretty strong stuff. I can't believe that this stuff goes on.

[wdlove]

Thank you for the link evoluzione. ;) Very sad and heart wrenching indeed. I have often heard it said that if we saw our food prepared, we may not want to eat. On the optimistic side I also think that PETA has gone out to find the most outlandish examples of animal cruelty. My hope that the majority of farmers in the meat industry treat them humanly.

[GodBless]

Many people are mistaken on what is healthy and what isn't. I have a simple theory. Eat it how God designed it. I find and eat what is the very least modified from the living nature God designed things. I try to only eat raw organic fruit and vegetables along with organic whole grains and cooked free range, non-drugged, naturally fed animal meat. I only use fruit (the whole fruit without any modifications such as extracts), pure honey, pure molasses and pure maple syrup as sweeteners.

I don't eat or drink dairy products of any kind since they are loaded with toxins and cause cancer and heart disease. The reason why dairy products do this are simple. Animal and human fat stores almost all of the toxins in the body, this is why people get fat when they have an unhealthy diet. If you consume milk which has quite a bit of fat in it, it will contain anti-biotics from the cows and almost all of the toxins in the unhealthy diet that the cow was given. Homogenization causes heart disease and pasteurization causes cause colon cancer.

An interesting fact that some people don't know is that about 50% of the drugs that are sold in America are sold on the farms and fed to animals. So even if you don't take any prescriptions (although we as Americans take way too many of them) you will be drugged by your animal fat consumption.

This also it explains one of the many many reasons why people with the Atkins diet will get cancer and heart disease because if you eat animal fat your body will take in a lot of toxins but won't be able to store them in fat tissue very well since the diet doesn't help you produce fat tissue. This means that the toxins will be throughout the rest of your body and effect your main body organs and cause you major problems that will lead to cancer and other health problems (such as heart disease and gout). Also the form in which Americans eat fat is not processed well by the body because it isn't natural as the body was designed to take in fat. Therefore the fat clogs the arteries. Plus a diet with a limited amount of fruit and vegetables will not nourish your body how it was supposed to be. This is why a lot of Americans are fat and malnourished (even if they aren't on the Atkins Diet).

I stay away from chemical supplements (because they are artificial), artificial sugars, white sugar and anything else that is processed away from its natural state. These cause your body problems because your body wasn't designed to run off of them. Would you put pizza, cake, apples and oranges in your car's gas tank? Why not? Because it wasn't designed for it. Your body wasn't designed to take in unnatural things so why do people do it anyway? Isn't the body that houses your soul more important than your car?

I have a higher calorie diet than anyone I know but at about 150 pounds and 6'0' I am in great shape. (Especially for sitting in front of a computer all day and not getting enough exercise.) I have had very few health problems and I stay far far away from prescription drugs. Doctors are made to believe that drugs are the only solution to health problems. Don't be fooled by drug companies that fund medical universities and deceive students to make them believe that there are no natural solutions so when they become doctors they recommend drugs and nothing else. Think of it this way, sick people take medicines. Then why do people take drugs for the rest of their life? (You might ask.) Because they are still sick and the prescriptions don't help. The drug companies just pocket more and more money while you continue to take the drug and harm your body more and more. This is an evil crime.

Don't fall for companies that advertise their products as "healthy" or "natural" because more often than not it is a joke. People don't make products to help people. Instead people make products to make the most money possible. Can't we both win? Of course we can. Why don't companies sell good foods and make them money and benefit the consumer at the same time. This is the way to go. I hope this becomes the standard in the future. :)

[EJBasile]

Don't eat anything with "Fake Sugar" such as splenda and nuti-sweet.

In MALE lab rats many of them got bladder cancer eating Saccharin.
Also in male and female rats shrunken thymus glands, enlarged liver & kidneys, etc showed up when eating Sucralose (splenda).

If you see something that is "sugar free" like candy, cookies, ice cream, soda, etc, it most likely has an artificial sugar in it.

Even though the FDA saysit is "safe", I still think it is discusting and some of the studies say it's not safe. Use natural foods, not processed chemicals. I believe humans were not designed to eat chemically manufactured foods all the time, thats why we have plants and other animals to eat.

~Eric

[GodBless]

Don't eat anything with "Fake Sugar" such as splenda and nuti-sweet.

In MALE lab rats many of them got bladder cancer eating Saccharin.
Also in male and female rats shrunken thymus glands, enlarged liver & kidneys, etc showed up when eating Sucralose (splenda).

If you see something that is "sugar free" like candy, cookies, ice cream, soda, etc, it most likely has an artificial sugar in it.

Even though the FDA saysit is "safe", I still think it is discusting and some of the studies say it's not safe. Use natural foods, not processed chemicals. I believe humans were not designed to eat chemically manufactured foods all the time, thats why we have plants and other animals to eat.

~EricI totally agree. The FDA allows unhealthy things to pass their tests and doesn't allow healing herbs to become a common substance. If a company helps people health-wise with a beneficial natural health product the FDA will come in with guns and arrest the people who are helping people's heath.

For example look at what the government did to Kevin Trudeau by clicking here for an interesting article (http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2004/09/trudeaucoral.htm). The government is working against our health. Kevin Trudeau really knows what he is doing and I respect that he put his reputation on the line to help others. I have seen his excellent infomercials recently so he must have found a way to get around being banned from them as the article states.

Kevin Trudeau has a book called "Natural Cures They Don't Want You To Know About." I definitely recommend it even though I haven't read it. That is how authentic this guy is. He is authentic enough for me to recommend one of his books without reading it! I just know from his informercials that he is truly on top of the FDAs schemes and he knows what true health is by recommending natural remedies as alternatives to drugs. He is one of the only people I know that doesn't fall for tainted health "knowledge." (I call it tainted health deception.)

As for artificial sugars, they are all jokes and all have terrible side effects and make people fat because calories have nothing to do with weight gain. I don't know of one artificial sugar that doesn't cause cancer. If you think sucralose is safe look here (http://www.holisticmed.com/splenda/), here (http://www.mercola.com/2000/dec/3/sucralose_dangers.htm) and especially here (http://www.mercola.com/2000/dec/3/sucralose_testimonials.htm) .

[MacAztec]

I totally agree. The FDA allows unhealthy things to pass their tests and doesn't allow healing herbs to become a common substance. If a company helps people health-wise with a beneficial natural health product the FDA will come in with guns and arrest the people who are helping people's heath.

For example look at what the government did to Kevin Trudeau by clicking here for an interesting article (http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2004/09/trudeaucoral.htm). The government is working against our health. Kevin Trudeau really knows what he is doing and I respect that he put his reputation on the line to help others. I have seen his excellent infomercials recently so he must have found a way to get around being banned from them as the article states.

Kevin Trudeau has a book called "Natural Cures They Don't Want You To Know About." I definitely recommend it even though I haven't read it. That is how authentic this guy is. He is authentic enough for me to recommend one of his books without reading it! I just know from his informercials that he is truly on top of the FDAs schemes and he knows what true health is by recommending natural remedies as alternatives to drugs. He is one of the only people I know that doesn't fall for tainted health "knowledge." (I call it tainted health deception.)

As for artificial sugars, they are all jokes and all have terrible side effects and make people fat because calories have nothing to do with weight gain. I don't know of one artificial sugar that doesn't cause cancer. If you think sucralose is safe look here (http://www.holisticmed.com/splenda/), here (http://www.mercola.com/2000/dec/3/sucralose_dangers.htm) and especially here (http://www.mercola.com/2000/dec/3/sucralose_testimonials.htm) .

Alright, I can't wait any longer to respond to this.

First off, its great that you eat whole healthy foods that "God" intended for us to eat, funny though, as foods get more processed and "toxic", our civilization as a whole has become healthier.

The real reason I wanted to post a reply is because you mentioned that fraudluent Kevin Trudeau. Search his name on Google, and you will come up with COUNTLESS lawsuits against him. He found a researcher in Japan that said a "Calcium Coral" off the Japan shores could cure cancers, and Trudeau marketed this idea, without ever testing it. Well, it was tested, and proven wrong.

He is in debt for a LOT of money, and his claims are all false. People that read his book said all it says is to have a healthy diet (not 100% organic, just healthy). Readers of the book say that the book doesn't cure diseases, but rather "helps" to prevent them.

[GodBless]

Alright, I can't wait any longer to respond to this.

First off, its great that you eat whole healthy foods that "God" intended for us to eat, funny though, as foods get more processed and "toxic", our civilization as a whole has become healthier.I really hope that was sarcasm. What do you call obesity? How about heart disease? Also cancer. These are all preventable with a proper diet (obviously). The FDA has made cholesterol lowering drugs and radiation treatment the main treatments for these terrible but curable diseases. Don't be fooled by drug companies that don't care about your health. Daily more Americans die from heart disease that died on September 11th from the terrorist attacks. This is a true act of terrorism yet everyday Americans just take it as the way it should be.

The real reason I wanted to post a reply is because you mentioned that fraudluent Kevin Trudeau. Search his name on Google, and you will come up with COUNTLESS lawsuits against him. He found a researcher in Japan that said a "Calcium Coral" off the Japan shores could cure cancers, and Trudeau marketed this idea, without ever testing it. Well, it was tested, and proven wrong.Just because people are against the harmless Jesus and George W. Bush doesn't mean that they are bad either. Expect to be fought against for doing what others wished they would have dared to do. Just because it isn't popular doesn't mean that it is wrong. In fact usually the reverse is the way it goes for most things.

He is in debt for a LOT of money, and his claims are all false. People that read his book said all it says is to have a healthy diet (not 100% organic, just healthy). Readers of the book say that the book doesn't cure diseases, but rather "helps" to prevent them.Not one of his claims has been false as far as I have seen. I am excited that he is stepping out and standing up for what is right and going against the brainwashed society that the FDA has made the USA to be. Tell 'em the truth Kevin!

[MacAztec]

Hmmm...heres to Kevin...

http://www.quackwatch.org/02ConsumerProtection/FTCActions/trudeau.html
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2004/09/trudeaucoral.htm
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2004/07/trudeau.htm
http://www.dietpower.com/coralcalcium.htm
http://www.talkingtree.com/blog/index.cfm?mode=entry&entry=F2702915-50DA-0559-A08DBE75BB7792D6