New G4's?

[arn]

MacEdition's reports (http://www.macedition.com/nmr/nmr_20020114.php) on possible upgraded G4's on Jan 20th-ish:

According to the Blade’s Kleenex-wielding couchload of family therapists, that’s the date when Apple will bring the high end of the Mac clan back into the tent with new systems based on the super-gigahertz Apollo generation of Motorola’s PowerPC G4.

With claims up to 1.4ghz by Feb.

[Kid Red]

If true, I hope we get DDR and faster bus!!

[Falleron]

I really hope that they dont just update the chip. I want to see faster bus etc. I am in the market for a new computer NOW and want a decent upgrade.

[Unregistered]

2003?

[Falleron]

This year!!!

[crassusad44]

Why not the 21st, two weeks after the iMac. Why would Apple introduce something on a sunday???????

Well. anywayz I'll be the first to place an order! :)

[Falleron]

I think its a rough date. However, I am a bit sceptical because I think they will wait unitl some sort of event to release the new towers. However, if they are loosing too much money because of the new imac then just maybe we see them in about a week.

[rice_web]

A 1.4 GHz G4 might just be enough to win over a few new customers. However, if they could push it a little higher, they could bring in customers far faster. Then, plop in AMD's equation for a performance rating, and Apple could have a G4 2000 running at 1.6GHz. Oh well, 1.4GHz is a start.

But, who really believes this? I'd say that 1.2GHz is all we might see. But, we'll all just have to wait.

[menoinjun]

Anyone else think that they won't be G4's but G5's? I don't think that super-gigahertz G4s without a monitor would be that great of a deal over the new iMacs. I am betting on G5's.

-Pete

[iloveMac]

I knew something was coming up soon. Hint, Apple rebate offer on there LCD displays end January 20, 2002.

[crassusad44]

Originally posted by ptrauber
Anyone else think that they won't be G4's but G5's? I don't think that super-gigahertz G4s without a monitor would be that great of a deal over the new iMacs. I am betting on G5's.

-Pete

1.4 GHz Apollo G4 with L3 cache, 512 MB DDR RAM, 400 MHz bus speed, 4 or maybe 5 PCI slots, AGP, up to 120 GB HD (7200 RPM all the way), SuperDrive on all models.

Hum... sounds interesting enough for me!

[Falleron]

It wont be the G5!! Apple would need a large event for that launch (maybe July time). This new tower will have a speed bump, faster bus, larger hard drive, more ram etc. I think it will debut the Geforce 4 as a build to order option as well, with Geforce 3 standard. I dont think we shall see USB2, firewire 2 until the G5 comes out.

[crassusad44]

I agree with Falleron. It's too early for the G5, and Apple will not introduce a whole new chip at a «special event». Though I do belive we will see G5 this summer...

But what if nothing happens within a week???
Aaaaaraaaraaarrraaaarrrggghhhhh!!!!!!!

[Falleron]

The build time in the US is 10 days for a 867Mhz Tower!! This looks good.

[gandalf55]

a faster bus is what would make me more excited than a 1.2, 1.4 Ghz chip. whats the use if your board can't keep up? i too am waiting for a nice g4 bump. just don't know if i should wait for a g5 or not...

[IndyGopher]

Originally posted by iloveMac
I knew something was coming up soon. Hint, Apple rebate offer on there LCD displays end January 20, 2002.

Better tell Apple's webmaster.. the Apple Store still says January 31.

[Tommy!]

oooooooook, that article makes absolutely no sense. i probably would have gotten it if they had cut the ****.

[arn]

Originally posted by Tommy!
oooooooook, that article makes absolutely no sense. i probably would have gotten it if they had cut the ****.

yeah - the writing style of that column is crap. They are trying to emulate the style of MactheKnife (Macweek's old column) - but that was pretty annoying as well.

arn

[Unregistered]

I don't think anything will happen until the deal with the flat panels is over.
PLEASE WE NEED GIG power now. With the price of the new imac I don't think anyone iwth buy power macs until they are faster bigger and better

[Unregistered]

They are delaying the release of new G4's just to piss me off... the minute I finally get a used DP 533 they'll release them at a lower price.
(Dual AMD's are looking real good at the moment)

[Catfish_Man]

Originally posted by Falleron
It wont be the G5!! Apple would need a large event for that launch (maybe July time). This new tower will have a speed bump, faster bus, larger hard drive, more ram etc. I think it will debut the Geforce 4 as a build to order option as well, with Geforce 3 standard. I dont think we shall see USB2, firewire 2 until the G5 comes out.

There is no GeForce 4. There is, however, a GeForce 3 Titanium which competes with ATI's Radeon 8500 (unsuccesfully in my opinion). The GF3 Ti doesn't currently support Macs.

[BurntCalc]

A speed bumped G4 in January seems unlikely... somehow I think February would be likelier. But I wouldn't be surprised to see a speed bump before April. April is the internal deadline for the new tower design. It's supposed to enclose the G5. We prolly won't see a G5 until MWNY. Hence, a speed bump of the G4's seems inevitable.

A Jan - March speedbump fits with Apple's previous speed bumps.

Hell, who kows. Just as long as Apple keeps pissing off the Windows world, I don't really give a crap.

[Why do I wait]

I really can't see why Apple would introduce a faster G4 or G5 over the next few weeks. Wouldn't they have introduced a new line (or a faster chip) at MacWorld and then announced availability dates (Jan 20 etc..) as they did for the lower end iMacs?? :confused:

[Kid Red]

Originally posted by Catfish_Man


There is no GeForce 4. There is, however, a GeForce 3 Titanium which competes with ATI's Radeon 8500 (unsuccesfully in my opinion). The GF3 Ti doesn't currently support Macs.

There WILL be a GeForce 4 on Feb 5th. So, yea, the towers could have the GeForce as a BTO option like the guy said :rolleyes:

[obeygiant]

If I had a big web site and needed a few more hits. I might start a rumor that the upgrades we're coming too. This guy has no idea when anything is going to happen.

[Falleron]

Originally posted by Catfish_Man


There is no GeForce 4. There is, however, a GeForce 3 Titanium which competes with ATI's Radeon 8500 (unsuccesfully in my opinion). The GF3 Ti doesn't currently support Macs.

Have a look at this.

http://www.megagames.com/news/html/hardware/nvidiadelaysgeforce4.shtml

It has not been released yet, but nVida released the Geoforce 3 on the mac first so this could be debut of the Geforce 4!!

[Macmaniac]

I agree that a G5 won't come out till MWNY, I think we will see speed bumps at MWT. Also on another subject the TI book needs a speed bump bad! I think We may see that at MWT there will be iPod 2 for windows in the fall,(They will crush the competion with iPod 2)

[grouse]

It seems entirely possible that the G5 is a big revision to casing and styling and so on. Maybe titanium casing and so forth and almost certainly a few (probably two at least) months away.

From what I've been gathering informationwise, the upgraded chips, squeezing the most out of the G4's, will be a relatively low-key affair and be very close to the actual shipping date of the iMac, which has been given a good head of steam to attract a load of pre-orders and press attention. So my 2p (english sorry) is speed bumped towers announced last week Jan, 1.4, 1.6 and maybe a higher one, but unlikely, the next gen GeForce card (3) and combo drives across the board, 256MB RAM as the base standard. At about the same, or even slightly less, price point as the existing three models.

Power users, like me, will hang on for a bit, but longer than that and the switchers may re-appear (as they did before the G4 was announced first time around).

[Why do I wait]

_____________________________________________________________
If I had a big web site and needed a few more hits. I might start a rumor that the upgrades we're coming too. This guy has no idea when anything is going to happen.
_____________________________________________________________

My thoughts exactly.

[Aeolius]

With Apple releasing a high-end iMac in January, midrange in February, and entry-level in March, it makes sense that a new G4 or G5 would appear after that. A new tower would do best, if released at a time when it can stand as a contrast to an available low-end iMac. Also, Adobe may have Photoshop ready by then.

I'd like to see a G5 in March and would order one immediately. However, if a speed-bumped G4 comes out first, I will simply wait. I'm using a G3 tower (b&w) now and have a new iMac on order. That should hold me until July, depending on how well my G3 handles OS X, which I will be installing once GoLive 6 arrives.

[Unregistered]

Originally posted by crassusad44
Why not the 21st, two weeks after the iMac. Why would Apple introduce something on a sunday???????

Well. anywayz I'll be the first to place an order! :)

He said "ish" dummy

[Falleron]

www.macosrumors.com seems to be suggesting that there will be a new powermac soon! Do we believe them?

[AmbitiousLemon]

Originally posted by Falleron
www.macosrumors.com seems to be suggesting that there will be a new powermac soon! Do we believe them?

thats a pretty conservative article by macosrumors actually. they are leaning towards the g4 apollo chip over the g5 and are suggesting a wait of at least 6 weeks. the things that seem a little extreme are airport3, gigawire, ddr, 100gb hard drives.

[Falleron]

Something is definatley happening! Here is the UK the build time for a 800DP is 15 days! This update will be the G4 though, no airport though because its not compatible with existing equipment.

[rickag]

Maybe they missed the month. Feb 20th during Seybold?

[Unregistered]

there is NO G5 till summer at the earliest... it is just not ready. dont get psyched up for a letdown. there is the new G4 Appollo chip that is yet to be in a Mac.... that is the one that is above 1ghz.
even if we see a G5 in july, it probably will not be ready to ship for at least a few weeks after (unless motarolla does something amazing). in theory the G4 minitower HAS to be upgraded in the next month because in the next 2 weeks the imac will be faster than some of the G4 Pro Machines. the rumors behind the G5 also include a sexy new case that has been tweaked for some time at apple. as for that part, who knows. the current case is pretty awesome (though extra pci slots would be nice for some users). anyway, no G4 till MWNYC at the soonest... for real..... not to ruin the fun, but it really wont happen. be psyched when we get a 1.2 or better G4 Apollo.

[mischief]

Oh yeah, common sense. I think we may see a new case with Apollo chips. Remember that the blue and white G3 was a case shakedown for the G4. We may also see more streamlined LCDs. NO G5's UNTIL IBM IS DONE TESTING THEM. Eesh.

[grouse]

Although I normally agree with 110% of what you say mc...

The case isn't that old and the G5's may well be ready by NY but no sooner, (i agree with that)

Why bother with a new case for what will be end of the line for the power towers, G4 chips? - when the blaze of glory will be G5's, and Steve will give the "fastest chip on earth" speech showing it eating P4s, P5s or whatever for breakfast.

It is highly possible that the G4 towers were due to be speed-bumped at SF but supply from Motorolin'nowherefast, just wasn't up to it.

A new case, demands a show case and an unveiling at a major show. A speed bump doesn't. And there is at the moment a real hole in the Apple product price line, nothing between 1799usd and 2499usd, if we discount the overlapped and now redundant bottom of the range TowerG4.

I'm trying to deduce from the sources and get inside Apple's often fuzzy brain

[AmbitiousLemon]

Originally posted by grouse
Although I normally agree with 110% of what you say mc...

The case isn't that old and the G5's may well be ready by NY but no sooner, (i agree with that)

Why bother with a new case for what will be end of the line for the power towers, G4 chips? - when the blaze of glory will be G5's, and Steve will give the "fastest chip on earth" speech showing it eating P4s, P5s or whatever for breakfast.

It is highly possible that the G4 towers were due to be speed-bumped at SF but supply from Motorolin'nowherefast, just wasn't up to it.

A new case, demands a show case and an unveiling at a major show. A speed bump doesn't. And there is at the moment a real hole in the Apple product price line, nothing between 1799usd and 2499usd, if we discount the overlapped and now redundant bottom of the range TowerG4.

I'm trying to deduce from the sources and get inside Apple's often fuzzy brain

well said kid. seems like most of the members are pmsing today. nice to see someone around here is still thinking logically and speaking (typing) intelligently.

i'll admit it i was a die-hard "g5s soon" advocate. but ive been slowly won over by the "g4 speed bumps soon" camp. but im still holding some hope in the back of my mind that says "they [the majority] were wrong about g4s in the imac2."

thanks for keepin' it real grouse

[mischief]

Actually the structure of the case hasn't changed since the Blue and white, just the aesthetics. I don't count the new hatches on the quicksilver as a new case. A whole new case would present an adequate PR buzz to preceed rev-ing to a new chip and new colour scheme.The blue and whites were the perfect example: a new case to preceed a new chip. The preliminary case allows for testing aesthetic variables.

[AmbitiousLemon]

Originally posted by mischief
Actually the structure of the case hasn't changed since the Blue and white, just the aesthetics. I don't count the new hatches on the quicksilver as a new case. A whole new case would present an adequate PR buzz to preceed rev-ing to a new chip and new colour scheme.The blue and whites were the perfect example: a new case to preceed a new chip. The preliminary case allows for testing aesthetic variables.

some good points here. i think the next case design for the powermacs will be something really new. a lot of people are predicting narrower towers, but im guessing and hoping it will be something more revolutionary than that.

as far as a new case premiering before the g5... you have some points there regarding the blue and white g3s but i just dont see that happening again. heres my reasoning: we need a speed bumped g4 right away, which means it will premiere at a special event or tokyo. i cant see apple unveiling a revolutionary chip in a revolutionary case at some special event. maybe it will happen in tokyo (perhaps this is why tokyo was pushed back?) but more likely ny. apple will want to garner some media hype if it has a new case and/or a new chip and therefore will not do it so close to the release of the imac (perhaps why we didnt see powermacs in sf). so a new case anytime before tokyo is very unlikely as still slightly unlikely at tokyo (unless we see a g5).

some rumr sites have even been suggesting that we will get a g5 in the current quicksilver tower, and a new enclosure wont happen until the first revision. although i dont think this is likely it is another interesting possibility to consider.

[mischief]

To clarify: Yes, New G4's first THEN a new case THEN a G5 release. If the G5 is most likely a year off than this is a realistic pattern.

[Unregistered]

I'd wait for a G5 if speed-bumped G4s are coming in the towers, but what I really want is a 1Ghz+ TiPB.

I'd buy that right away, and then get a tower in a year.

Anyone think 1Ghz+ TiPB's are likely next week?

cheers,
jaxon

[Falleron]

I need to buy a new computer in the next month or so! Cant really wait until march. What should I get? I do a bit of everything from graphics manipulation to web design.

[mischief]

" Today in Cupertino a class action lawsuit was filed against Apple Computer Inc. Apparently it's high speed G4 laptops were setting people on fire when used in environments warmer than 68 degrees farenheit." :rolleyes:

[Falleron]

Look at this.

http://computers.cnet.com/hardware/0-1016.html?tag=hd_ts

There is a link to the new imac! Called, THE LEGEND CONTINUES!! I like to see this sort of thing, it can only help apple.

[samy85114]

So... according to the different sources that we all heard about in the last month... When could we easily think about his release... because, if the G4 will really come up within 5 days, I'm sure Apple might want to wait perhaps till May or even July before releasing their new processor...

I read in the forum that G5 might come up perhaps in March... around that... but where's the logic? They won't annonce a new line of G4 when they're already preparing themselves for the G5 release within 2 month.
So my thought is : if Apple annonces some new configurations on Jabuary, 20 for the tower... I'm expecting the G5 not until July...

If there's no annoncement on that day, as far as we know, this could be possible to see the thing we are all waiting for in the next 2 or 3 month....

I think my thoughts are pretty realist. Just give your opinion about them!

[dongmin]

There's a little article at MOSR that states that MacWarehouse has a RAM deal on its Tibooks (and other computers) that runs til Feb. 17 which also happens to be the first day of Seybold.

The reasons for not introducing a new G4 tower at the MWSF may be numerous but a big one I think is b/c they wanted to focus on consumer products and not steal any thunder from the new iMac.

So Seybold being the conference for publishing professionals I think is a good time to introduce a new Tower and possibly update the TiBook. Also, as others have mentioned, the Crystal Clear savings deal runs through Jan. 31 so I doubt you'll see a new revision before then. Feb. 17 seems right for various reasons. Maybe we'll even see a revision to the LCD lineup as well.

I'm hoping for a iPod revision at the MW Tokyo, which has been a good venue for announcements regarding portable computing. Since the iBook and the iMac have been recently updated, the iPod is about the only thing new that I see coming out then.

[arn]

My personal prediction for the new promacs... are dual g4 machines at Seybold. Not based on any "inside" info...

just based on what is realistic....

arn

[Unregistered]

I think we'd be lucky to see real G5s by MWNY, I honestly think they won't be ready until the next MWSF. The G5 is a very different CPU then the G4 or G3. Its 64bits, which forces Apple to redo a lot of coponents. They'll need a new Motherboard, new memory system, and they'll need to make some changes to OSX. Could the G5 be ready by MWNY? Sure. Has Apple been able to deliver on their Pro-line desktops in the past 2 years? No. I would expect Apollo-based G4s either at Seybold or MWTokyo with no new enclosure and maybe DDR memory.

[mischief]

I think the end of 2002 is realistic for G5, but I thing Apollo G4's may allow enough of a shift in spec to allow some changes in the case and motherboard to move toward G5. Apollo may serve as an interim "simulated" G5. Of course there would have to be some creative board design involved to get all the pieces to sync. We may get our 4th memory slot back, DDR, all duals and a faster HD spec (EIDE 100 or, dare I say it:fibre-SCSI). We may even see a new case- both the Apollo and the G5 run at much lower power levels so the heat handling space in the case could be significantly reduced.

[pimentoLoaf]

I finally have an excuse to replace my aging (powerMac 6100/66 DOS Compatible) hulk with something that really cooks !!

And with Blender Creator (http://www.blender3d.com/BlenderProducts/osx_general.php) finally available for osX...

Oooooooh !! :cool:

[Kid Red]

he G5 is a very different CPU then the G4 or G3. Its 64bits, which forces Apple to redo a lot of coponents. They'll need a new Motherboard, new memory system, and they'll need to make some changes to OSX.

mmm, the Apollo has a new mobo, new bus, uses DDR, possibly new PCi adn AGP. So how exactly does a new mobo make the G5 farther off? If we can expect the Apollo, I think it's just as reasonable to expect a G5.

[Unregistered]

Originally posted by Falleron
I think its a rough date. However, I am a bit sceptical because I think they will wait unitl some sort of event to release the new towers. However, if they are loosing too much money because of the new imac then just maybe we see them in about a week.

First of all, it's sKeptical, and losing. Additionally, they are not losing too much money because of the new iMac. That's an absurd remark.

[Falleron]

What I meant was that with a similar specification of the imac + powermac towers the sales of the towers must be greatly reduced because potential customers are swayed towards the imac + not the tower (towers have the higher profit margin). Afterall, the imacs are cheaper.

[mischief]

compare the required mobo specs for Apollo with those for G5. Apollo looks like a test bed.:cool:

[Mausabiest]

Hy there, everyone was talkin about the the G4s and maybe G5s coming up in SFMW. What we got war a pretty good i-Mac. But a Germanmagazin reprotet in it´s February issue about newly announced G4s with up to 1,6 GHz in SF. Pretty dumb. But I hope we see the realisation of those Powermacs soon.

[Unregistered]

from what I've heard at my design firm, apple will introduce speed bumps on the g4 until july, around the time it will introduce a g5 near 2.2 ghz with 400mhz system bus, usb2, firewire 2, and of course DDR ram. What is all this about a GeForce4? Sounds good to me

[Kid Red]

How does your design firm come about this info? They frequent the boards?

[networkman]

as of 8 am pst, nothing on apple's site about new g4s

[sparkleytone]

i want to know how many people think consumer are going to keep caring about MHz/Ghz and not about software/ease of use. I mean damn...if the g5 comes out in july at 2.2GHZ, the p4s will be around 3 already. I dont see the Itanium ever being a feasible consumer alternative, because whatever power it gives you, Windows takes away.

Will people really care about 2.2GHz vs 3GHz ??? Its really getting ridiculous. I truly hope a 2.2GHz g5 with OS X and iMovie and iTunes and iPhoto and iTools and and and and and EXACTLY. Here's to the renaissance of technology.

[networkman]

i totally agree!

the speed issue is getting ridiculous

windows xp is so "bulky" that it does negate the fast pentium 4 speed

[spikey]

Agreed sparkleytone.
Also the ease of use/stability issue with PC processors could very well get worse once cpus go 64bit. There are many compatibility issues which PCs have and Macs dont. So as the future of machines go apple is looking good.

[sparkleytone]

Originally posted by networkman
windows xp is so "bulky" that it does negate the fast pentium 4 speed

good job calling that one.

i was a beta tester coming from win2k to xp. i hated it then i liked it alot. i had been using the full pro version since late august because i still use PC for games. well...

we had a LAN party this weekend, and everyone running XP kept getting a networking ERROR 65 cant ping anything. riiiiiight. my ibook my XP machine and my roomies win98 machine worked fine.

i like my friends, because the LAN party turned into a FORMAT C: party. word. now we all have win2k again and guess what? its SO much faster and the networking issues are gone. they took a semi-passable OS, made it MORE stable, EASIER to look at, then added CLUNKY code, and ****TY networking.

thanks Bill.

[SPG]

I think a lot of people here agree that the reason we use macs is not because they are faster, but because they are better at doing what we want to do with them. The iMac looks nice and the specs are good, but where Apple should really be focusing its marketing is on how easy it is to REALLY do what you want on it using imovie, iphoto, idvd, itunes, and osX.

[Unregistered]

Originally posted by mischief
I think the end of 2002 is realistic for G5, but I thing Apollo G4's may allow enough of a shift in spec to allow some changes in the case and motherboard to move toward G5. Apollo may serve as an interim "simulated" G5. Of course there would have to be some creative board design involved to get all the pieces to sync. We may get our 4th memory slot back, DDR, all duals and a faster HD spec (EIDE 100 or, dare I say it:fibre-SCSI). We may even see a new case- both the Apollo and the G5 run at much lower power levels so the heat handling space in the case could be significantly reduced.

hello

[networkman]

since internet, email, and word processing are what i mostly do outside of fixing computers (pcs), my awful typing skills make it so that pcs and macs are plenty fast for me

...notice i don't use caps

i still type ONLY 20 wpm on average since middle school, high school, junior college, college, grad school, and 23 years in the working world, and 760+ posts as two different users on macrumors!

i like the ease of use of the mac over the pc, but i have to admit, i can't stand that the mac has not hit 1 ghz yet, as of 1-22-02, even though as a techie, i know better due to bus issues and level two cache meaning just as much

it is just for the unkonwing consumers that it's important that we, as macheads, finally join the "1 ghz club" as it is...celeron has been there for over two months or so

so far, at 3:27 pm pst, there is no powermac update to 1 ghz...maybe that will come a little later?

i did read here, somewhere, though that it will be here in a week and if that is true, tnen that is good for me

[Ifeelbloated]

All this speculating and waiting is enough to drive someone to drink. I think I'll have a scotch, a double at that. Maybe if I drink enough my computer will seem faster.

[ebound]

Originally posted by networkman

...notice i don't use caps

i still type ONLY 20 wpm on average

Liar. :D

And there won't be any new G4s today. Sorry to burst yer bubble.

[networkman]

are u sure?

7 hours and 28 minutes left in the 22nd of january of 2002, pst

but you are right most likely about the update in speed on the g4 and we will have to wait, again

[JOE40]

Well it is Jan 22nd.
Almost 8:00PM
Even 5pm Cupertino Time.
No G4 speed bump.
No G5.
No iMac_2002 confirmed shipped.

Nuttin' Honey.
'nuff said....

:p

[barkmonster]

2nd of february would be good!!

Okay, this is just something I thought I'd put in before some BS starts about that date too (it's as insignificant as January 22nd to me)...

I reckon seeing as fast RAM is 2-2-2 rated and yet fast, is not fast when it's a mac 'cos it's lame PC133 RAM not DDR like the PeeCee world have, wouldn't it be wierd if they released new powermacs with DDR ram on that date ?

okay, I'll stop talking total garbage now. at least I'm not making stuff up about 1Ghz TiBooks and stuff, just a little harmless BS I suddenly thought of before I shut my mac down for the night :p