10 and 20 gig Toshiba Drives

[arn]

Per this CNet article (http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1006-200-8501503.html?tag=mn_hd), Toshiba announced 10gig and 20gig versions of it's 1.8" drives... the 5gig version being used in the current Apple iPod (http://www.apple.com/ipod):Toshiba said it would begin shipping the 10GB drive, dubbed the MK1003GAL, in February and the 20GB unit, known as the MK2003GAH, in March. The company did not announce pricing for the new drives.

[eyelikeart]

maybe when I finally get around to ordering an iPod I'll be able to get it with a bigger hd! :p

[Unregistered]

I'm not buying one until it's at least 20gig. 5 is not enough for anyone but the casual iTunes user - there's a lot of people with at least 10gigs of music, not to mention files they'd like to store on it (for backup in case of SME (sudden Mac Explosion)), and the fact that there are tons of mp3 players on the PC side that are 20gig, and one that's now 40. Without enough space, iPod's usless no matter how small, easy, cute.

[Unregistered]

People will always feel more is better. But 5 gigs useless?
40 gigs is sweet: But remember the tradeoff:

* Big dang form factor (stick THAT in your pocket!)
* Still USB (watch the clock as you grow old waiting on transfer).

[menoinjun]

so who's gonna be the first to get a new drive and hack it into their iPod?

-Pete

[Macmaniac]

20 GB is just insane! If iPod comes out with a 20GB HD then all other players would be useless. If Apple can make 20GB work in the iPod then they should do it, I can see the selling point. iPod 4000 songs in your pocket. They could say it holds more data than wintel laptops ohhh ya! After we put 40Gb in iBook and TI book! Go APPLE!




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[jtrascap]

I will agree with the crowd here - I've been holding off on an iPod simply because 5GB isn't enough these days. I have a new iBook (well, the October edition...) and I'm looking at buying an external FireWire drive - it would be nice to kill 2 birds with 1 stone. I could keep my DiVX media and MP3s in one place (well, until I get enough green to buy a new iMac with DVD-R)

20 GB is just where the sweetspot begins...

[ThlayliTheFierce]

Apple will go to 10 and 20 whenever the price is low enough to keep the iPod at $400. Hopefully that won't be too long.

[tw9876z]

i just got my ipod and i have alot of songs but i only put ones i want to lisen to on the road on the ipod, so im fine with 5 gigs, i mean most mp3 players are alot smaller, but still, its small and has alot of space, but new ipods will come out, low model will be 5gigs at about $200,10gigs will be medium model at $400, and 20gigs will be $600. So thats what i think, but still ill just switch the hard drives around and save money, or wait for a better ipod

[Xapplimatic]

20 GB iPod by March? That'd be sweet!.. Hopefully they will upgrade the bus and Firewire on both the new Macs and a new version of the iPod to handle FireWire II by then.

[eyelikeart]

Originally posted by ptrauber
so who's gonna be the first to get a new drive and hack it into their iPod?

-Pete

actually I think someone already has hacked their iPod....wasn't it on that iPod hack site....does someone have the address?

[Six]

I believe its http://www.ipodhacks.com

[Tomasz]

Now if the price is kept reasonably the same, and a 10 or even the 20GB version is put in the iPod.... those people that think the jukebox is better will have nothing left to say. This would stop all the talk of how the amount of money people spend on the iPod is unreasonable.

Now if only it came free with every tower purchase:)

Tomasz

[davidc2182]

dang it :( i just placed a bid on an ipod on ebay and now i'm hoping someone out bids me does anyone really think they would update the ipod so soon after introduction? what is their usual timeframe for updates on new products?

[arn]

Originally posted by davidc2182
dang it :( i just placed a bid on an ipod on ebay and now i'm hoping someone out bids me does anyone really think they would update the ipod so soon after introduction? what is their usual timeframe for updates on new products?

I doubt Apple will update it so soon... besides the pricing for the 10gig and 20gig drives will likely be greater than the 5 gig ( which retails for $399 itself )

arn

[JoeCanadian]

Am I the only one who wishes the iPod had an FM tuner? No matter how many mp3's I have, sometimes I wish I could tune in a local FM station when I travel for news or local events. An iPod with FM tuner and 20gig drive would rock!

[whatever]

Give me a break. Right now I'm in a hotel room in New Orleans, with my trusty iPod plugged into an outlet and a pair of Advent computer speakers plugged into the headphone jack and let me tell you all that 5GB of hard disk space is plenty. I'm on the road on average 2 - 3 weeks a month and my iPod has been a God send. Normally I would pack about 10 cds (from my collection of well over 1,000)and rely on my laptops (not a Mac) crappy sound. Before I left to leave on Tuesday, I ripped about twenty new cd's on to my G4, created a new song list for my iPod (I have to do this because I have well over 5GB of songs on my Mac) and then sync'd it up with my iPod. End result I have 1250 songs on my iPod for this trip. I've been listening to it on shuffle since I left and I haven't heard the same song twice. Do I need a bigger hard drive. No. Do you? I doubt it. Sure if down the road I could swap in a new hard drive for like $100.00 I would, but 5GB is more than enough.

Anyway I'm willing to be that most people who claim that they would buy an iPod if it had a larger disk drive are going to be the same people who say that the iPod needs a cache larger than twenty minutes. In other words these are the people who will never buy one.

One thing to note: I've discovered that iPod is a babe magnet. No *****. This is my second trip I've taking the trusty iPod and I've had more woman walk up to me and ask me all about it. I would like to think that I'm the draw in, but it's really the iPod. How weird is that.

[mac15]

THINK OF THE PRICE
SOUNDS A BIT MUCH FOR ME
NOT I'LL BUY 3

[tw9876z]

its too soon also. its nice to think up products taht are amazing but then you have to relize that with this economy and tech stock problems, the updating an mp3 player so soon is not a good idea, also would apple like to piss of 125,000+ people, i think not, they cant make a slip up cause it could screw them over, also it just came out like 3 months ago, it would be atleast next christmas before 10 gigs is the top model. Also, the price on the 5 gig hard drive is as much as the ipod, so the 10 and 20 gig would be the price as the drive or more, with the updated hd size more ram and more battery and more everything and it would cost a whole lot of money, not a good idea for money.

[dongmin]

Sounds like a good time and plac eto update the iPod.

I say upgrading the HD capacity is a given. Maybe the 5 gigger will be $300??? Nahhhh, it's probably too much to ask. How much is Toshiba expecting to sell the 10GB and 20GB?

I'm also curious to see if they add any more functionality to the iPod. There's plenty of processor power in there...

[mac15]

maybe quicktime player

[Durandal7]

I think I'll get an iPod when they have 30gig HD/color screen and the ability to play avi and mpg video. I have a feeling we may see this in 3 years or so.

[MrMacMan]

:mad:
1.Look the ipod may be good for most of us mac users, but how many people have 40 gig's of music??? REaly I thought they went over the top with 1000 songs...
:mad:
2. iPod is not yet selling to most of the population cause... They are all PCEE users.
3. Price maybe all of you can buy gulf stream V jets... but I can't... I ipod has a great amount of space for wat it is, a mac part.

[Moby 1]

I was one of those who thought the iPod was way to expensive.

Then I bought one (OK, I got a discount) and I think it's just great!

I use it for quick (very!) backups of essential data from my PowerBook*. I also use it to set up any new Macs I bring home.

5 GB it very usefull but if they made a 10 or 20 GB drive I'd pay extra for it. I could set up everything I need on a new Mac on my lunch hour! Firewire is THE way to go folks!

* I also use it to listen to my MP3's at home or in the car (plugs right in!)

M1

[tw9876z]

most people cant/wont be able to afford a 30 gig music player with firewire, the parts are expensive and everything, so it would be at least 6-700 dollars for the new ipod, not a good idea in todays world. Also apple released airport for windows so i think itunes for windows isnt to far away, but really just pick ans choose your songs, i have an ipod and it only has around 200 songs on the 600 i have. This is because i choose what i like out of my cd and put that on my ipod, not the whole cd cause it would overfill the ipod. So the ipod is good only for the songs you will lisen to, not for the ones with dust on them. The best would be an ipod with 10 gigs in the end of '02 or the begining of '03, at best. So i would recomend that you get an ipod over auctions or one right from the store and buy the additional hard drive and put the new hard drive in the ipod and use the old hd (after you clear it) as an additional hd, 5 gigs extra cant hurt, but go to ipodhacks.com or ipodlounge.com or ipoding.com, and see what they have done before anything so you dont buy an extra hard drive for no reason. an alternative is get a cheapo 200 dollar mp3 player with lots of space but with a cheap hard drive, bigger, usb, and more difficult controls. I say the ipod is better for looks and works. Also not many mp3 players are that big, only about 4-7 are as big as the ipod hd is so dont go around complaining. Get the pod now and update it till it cant be updated anymore, thats what im doing. Also, asurace what you speak of should be a really good pda so get that when a great one comes out cause thats really not an mp3 player after all those changes. but for the me, 5 gigs is more than enough to keep me happy, also just think how much easier it is to use the ipod then all those cds.

[Buggy]

I don't think iPod is overpriced.

But I do think it is expensive.

I would love one and would pay for one if I could afford it.

But food and rent come first.


:)

I also won't be a person to buy one when they increase in size or when they get larger caches, etc. I have to save every penny just to be able to buy a new machine every 4-5 years. (I hope my 2 year old G4 400 can hang on 2-3 more years.)

[Unregistered]

You'd think if Toshiba is coming out with new HD's of the same size that the 5gb drive would go down in price. I honestly see the new HD's (at least 10gb) getting put into new iPods by the end of this year.

[Unregistered]

Thanks to the iPod, Apple is now probably the largest seller of 1.8" drives and Toshiba's largest customer. In this case, Apple can get a very good deal for all the 1.8 drives, which would probably mean in a few months: iPod budget(*) with 5Gb at a lower price, iPod standard with 10Gb at current price, and iPod Special edition with 20 Gb at a
price closer to a corporate jet :-).


(*) Despite the fact that I always to avoid speaking
of Apple and budget in the same sentence :-)

[udannlin]

Originally posted by asurace
I think I'll get an iPod when they have 30gig HD/color screen and the ability to play avi and mpg video. I have a feeling we may see this in 3 years or so.

I doubt apple would ever get into that. Those type of products have very little appeal to the digital lifestyle target audience. besides, why would they support AVI?

[udannlin]

Originally posted by ptrauber
so who's gonna be the first to get a new drive and hack it into their iPod?

-Pete

I heard that the new drives are 3mm thicker than the 5 gb version. I dont have one yet but i would assume its pretty tight inside and an additional 3mm would mean a thicker case is required....

[SPG]

A 20gig iPod is not neccessary, but neither is a 5gig iPod really. (I still want one)
A 20gig iPod would be more useful than a 5gig iPod for other files and thus as the most amazing portable HD ever created. The only people who would buy one if it were upped to 20gig that wouldn't buy the 5gig are either the "I never buy rev A stuff" people or the people who really have a lot of other files to tote around and don't want to just work on a laptop, ie graphics people who sometimes work at home.
iTunes for Wintel? IMHO not a good idea. The whole draw of buying a mac is that it comes with all these great FREE apps that make it so much more useful than a PC can be even if you buy all the available apps. Why buy a mac if you can get itunes, iphoto, idvd, and imovie software on your cheaper PC?
Apple really needs to market the fact that all the stuff BillGates claims you can do on Windows you can actually do right out of the box with a new iMac.

Has anyone noticed that in the full length XP ad there is one guy who tries to fly but can't the first three times they show him?

[grrr223]

Does anyone know about the pricing of the 10 and 20 gig hard drives? If Apple could in any way (an act of God is a perfectly reasonable way) sell maybe even just the 10 gig for the current $400 price and then offer the 5 gig version for even less, the increase in sales should more than make up for any decrease in profit margin, and then maybe offer the 20 gig for more than $400 :( wow, that's a lot of money.

Just my $.02 as my first post here. One of my pc using friends has one and he loves it, I don't have the $$$ to get one yet, and the 30 gig and growing MP3 collection on my HD is making me hesitant to by an MP3 player with only 5 gig of space on it.

[eyelikeart]

Originally posted by Six
I believe its http://www.ipodhacks.com

that's it....thanks! ;)

[Mr.Brossard]

Time to void my iPod's warranty and upgrade its hard disk!

[blackpeter]

I think it's only logical that we will see a 20 gig iPod in July. If Apple intends to support this new porduct, they'll have to hit 20 to compete with the ever-growing storage capabilities of the competition.

...perhaps with Firewire2? - depending on how much USB2 is a factor in 6 months*. If more people adopt USB2, then iPod looses the 'speed-appeal' that it now has over standard USB players.

[bunge]

I believe I read somewhere that the 10 & 20 GB drives cost 70,000 and 90,000 Yen a piece. That's about $700 or $900 USD.

That's not cheap.

[tw9876z]

check out the new drives at http://www.toshiba.com/taecdpd/products/hdd.shtml

[Unregistered]

**** an fm tuner, satellite radio would be dope as ****! (though somehow i envision a monthly fee, so forget it)

[AmbitiousLemon]

for those who think the ipod is too expensive check this out http://homepage.mac.com/toasters/humor/ipodlc/ apple has released a new LC model ipod, guess your prayers were answered.

also since we are talking about possible revisions to the ipod does anyone here remember the rumors about the extra port on the ipod. there was some sort of panel that covered up what looked to be a remote control port. also there was supposed to be an empty slot in the packaging for what people were ***uming was a remote control. any speculations along this line?

[AmbitiousLemon]

looks like its true what they say about a-ssuming

[MacKenzie999]

Hey everyone...

Is it possible to download the contents of a digital camera to an iPod? That would be extraordinarily convenient when out on shoots, and if so would be a deciding factor for making a purchase (to me).

Thanks

[SPG]

Cannon's new EOS 1D is a pretty amazing pro digital SLR that can shoot 4megapixel sequences at 8fps...that could definitely use a better storage medium than compact flash. How about iPod download after shooting? If there was a way to do that it would be a truly useful application for the iPod.
The only other good/economical alternative would be the new plastic based storage that Intel (I think it's Intel) is developing to replace silicon cards at a tiny fraction of the price.
If it's too hard to engineer a direct camera to iPod connection, then how about a comact flash reader that plugs into the iPod? That seems feasible and much cheaper to produce not to mention much more convenient since it would be way more compatible with a variety of devices.

[Xapplimatic]

USB2 on iPod.. isn't gonna happen any time soon! Two reasons:

1. Apple won't introduce USB 2.0 onto any their desktops or laptops until FireWire 2.0 is introduced (or afterwards even) because they don't want to undercut their FireWire marketing.

2. FireWire is Apple's baby. Read number 1 again.

3. Mac users are the market targetted by Apple for iPod and all iPods have FireWire. Read number 1 again.

4. Apple is trying to enforce hardware standards not embrace hardware diversity. Read number 1 again.. lol

OK, so there were 4 reasons..

[imspace2]

http://www2.ocn.ne.jp/~bbshop/ go here it's software to make skins for TiBooks, IceBooks and iPod

[eyelikeart]

I don't think that belongs in this thread....

but they are kinda cool.....just get rid of that stupid lettering on the TiBook...

[networkman]

i hear you, if there was no such thing as paying for food and rent, i would be a mac-only technician and leave the pc clients to someone else

your 2 year old g4 may start to see signs of age now that there are these dual 1 ghz machines out, but to try and stretch it for two more years, though economical, might bury you in an axiety attack of processor-envy

three years is pushing it in the year of 2002, but four or five years is what people kept their machines for in the 1980s

but the reality of paying bills is more important and since that is a reality, i am still in business

the day people keep their machines for 12 months on average is the day the techies and engineers lose their jobs...only good coders will have steady work and the "AI" people are seeing to it that even programmers will become obsolete

...but don't worry, my friend with his PhD in "AI" says we are at least 200 years away from that and even if he is half right, none of us will be around to see self-coding smart machines

[mywar2000]

The 5 and 10 gig HD's are the same size. The 20 gig is 3mm larger. No word on whether or not the 20 gig will fit, unmodified, into an ipod case.

[ThlayliTheFierce]

It probably won't without modifying the iPod. I read about the construction of them...the drives as such aren't actually screwed in, the pressure from the back plate holds them in place. So it's pretty tight in there. Maybe we'll only see a 10 gig. That'd still be great.