Bugatti Veyron = 253mph & 0-60mph in 2.5secs.! [Archive]

clayj

Sep 7, 2005, 11:19 AM

I have two words to describe this car:

In sane.

One, you can't drive 253 MPH *anywhere*, not even on the speed-unrestricted sections of the Autobahn. You'd be weaving around other cars like they were traffic cones.

Two, 0-60 in 2.5 seconds? That's (does math on fingers) an acceleration of almost 1 G... in other words, you're going to feel like you're FALLING while you're accelerating. I'd trust only a few professional drivers to be able to handle that little problem.

I own one. Nice car.Liar. ;)

mpw

Sep 7, 2005, 11:22 AM

I own one. Nice car.
Damn. I feel inadequate in my Enzo now :(

gwuMACaddict

Sep 7, 2005, 11:28 AM

hmm... thats pretty fast :eek: :D

wonder if we'll see any in the states?

mpw

Sep 7, 2005, 11:30 AM

hmm... thats pretty fast :eek: :D

wonder if we'll see any in the states?
I imagine there'll be one in every rap video next year.

gwuMACaddict

Sep 7, 2005, 11:31 AM

I imagine there'll be one in every rap video next year.

hahahaha- except they usually use cars that cost 1/4 as much... 1million euros is steeeeeap!

guess it's worth it if you can afford it... wonder what the insurance would be like!!

mpw

Sep 7, 2005, 11:36 AM

And here (http://autocar.co.uk/News_Article.asp?NA_ID=216937)'s a more significant (I hope) story from the same site, just less exciting.

Lord Blackadder

Sep 7, 2005, 12:25 PM

'Bout freaking time!

Well, we officially have a new king in the performance numbers game.

...I wonder when they'll have one on Top Gear? ;)

Anyway, this car isn't about actually going 253mph or 0-62 on 2.5sec., it's about owning something that could if you wanted to. How many people regularly take their McLaren F1 anywhere near 240? Not many - but that doesn't make it any less impressive.

aloofman

Sep 7, 2005, 01:27 PM

I'm thinking it requires some really bad-ass tires to get any kind of traction, otherwise you don't get there in 2.5 no matter how much power you have. I wonder how long those tires last! :eek:

iGav

Sep 7, 2005, 01:31 PM

As iGav is obviously busy

Believe me... you have no idea what a crap day I've had today. :(

So yeah, the 16.4... awesome numbers going down aren't they :eek: the most amazing figure is that it can reach 180mph 1 minute faster than Aston Martin's new Vantage. :eek:

A couple of concerns though, awhile ago Autocar said that to actually achieve 253mph you have to call Bugatti up, and they'll send a fella out with a set of specials tyres that allow you to reach such speeds, otherwise you're tied to sub 200 mph... :eek: does anyone know if this is still the case?

Also... it was only the other month that Autocar was carrying photo's of the Veyron at the 'Ring, and by all accounts it didn't handle (at all) with numorous spins, the brakes couldn't take the load, and the car was still experiencing high speed aero lift. :eek:

And is it just me, or is 987bhp from a 16 cylinder 8.0 litre quad turbo engine disappointing? :eek: :p hahahahaha.

If only Ferrari had homologated the FXX (http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/frame.php?file=car.php&carnum=2347)... :D

Lord Blackadder

Sep 7, 2005, 02:06 PM

I'm thinking it requires some really bad-ass tires to get any kind of traction, otherwise you don't get there in 2.5 no matter how much power you have. I wonder how long those tires last! :eek:

well, for one thing the car is AWD (it has to be with that kind of power), the tires are HUGE and are basically race tires with some minor mods for street use.

They probably wear out pretty fast too, and cost more than a BMW to replace. But if you can afford the Veyron you're not worries about cost I'd think.

I'm impressed that they were actually able to get this thing into production, since the car is essentially beyond the state of the art for road cars.

Lord Blackadder

Sep 7, 2005, 02:15 PM

Believe me... you have no idea what a crap day I've had today. :(

You and me both...I hate being sick during the summer *cough*. And working when I'm sick. :mad:

A couple of concerns though, awhile ago Autocar said that to actually achieve 253mph you have to call Bugatti up, and they'll send a fella out with a set of specials tyres that allow you to reach such speeds, otherwise you're tied to sub 200 mph... :eek: does anyone know if this is still the case?

I've heard the same thing.

Like I said before, this car is bleeding edge, so I guess the teething troubles are to be expected - but I hope the handling problems people saw were the result of prototype testing and not something we'll see on the production cars.

Don't panic

Sep 7, 2005, 02:54 PM

I own one. Nice car.
bah. I had to get rid of her. too noisy.

homerjward

Sep 7, 2005, 04:22 PM

wasn't it supposed to be 1001 horsepower? i'm disappointed...:(

just kidding! :p wow. that looks like a hell of a car--i'd be scared to ride in it :eek: much less drive it

aloofman

Sep 7, 2005, 04:23 PM

well, for one thing the car is AWD (it has to be with that kind of power), the tires are HUGE and are basically race tires with some minor mods for street use.

They probably wear out pretty fast too, and cost more than a BMW to replace. But if you can afford the Veyron you're not worries about cost I'd think.

I'm impressed that they were actually able to get this thing into production, since the car is essentially beyond the state of the art for road cars.

I don't think you can really count this as a production car, considering how few will be built. It is really a race car available to the extremely wealthy public.

Sun Baked

Sep 7, 2005, 06:19 PM

I own one. Nice car.Yes you do, and could you please tell us how much that Matchbox car cost you -- and the colors it is available in.

mad jew

Sep 7, 2005, 06:53 PM

Something for the long, straight, unlimited roads in the Northern Territory... Mmm... The 'roos and 'mus wouldn't stand a chance. :p

Abstract

Sep 7, 2005, 07:54 PM

I hope some of the technology and design used in this new Bugatti soon trickle down to the Volkswagen Golf and Polo. :p

Something for the long, straight, unlimited roads in the Northern Territory... Mmm... The 'roos and 'mus wouldn't stand a chance. :p
I think you'd slice through them like a knife, and the car would still be clean because none of the small chunks of animal carcass and blood would be able to stick onto the car at speeds like that.

Liar. ;)

If you didn't pay attention in the money and career related threads, he makes a lot of money. ;)

wrxguy

Sep 7, 2005, 07:57 PM

too much car to have in the states...not even worth the money too own in the U.S.

clayj

Sep 7, 2005, 07:57 PM

If you didn't pay attention in the money and career related threads, he makes a lot of money. ;)Yes, I know that, but the car was JUST released. Ergo, he doesn't own one. Plus, if you've paid attention to Lacero's style of posting, you'd know that every other sentence out of his mouth (or his keyboard) is sarcasm. ;)

Abstract

Sep 7, 2005, 07:58 PM

Damn, it's so hard to tell with him. Thought he was being serious.

And if he was being sarcastic, then why did YOU answer him? ;)

clayj

Sep 7, 2005, 08:00 PM

Damn, it's so hard to tell with him. Thought he was being serious.

And if he was being sarcastic, then why did YOU answer him? ;)Just because someone is being sarcastic doesn't mean you can't call them on it. :cool:

iGary

Sep 7, 2005, 08:06 PM

Car abd Driver did a nice write up on the construction of the Volkswagen...er Bugatti. :D

yippy

Sep 7, 2005, 08:07 PM

That is one hell of a car.

However if you think that is fast look at this (.pdf). (http://www.lingenfelter.com/documents/CF427TT_eprint.pdf) , 0-60 in under 2 seconds :eek: .

Abstract

Sep 7, 2005, 08:11 PM

Does it come with a free set of adult diapers?

ham_man

Sep 7, 2005, 08:19 PM

Does it come with a free set of adult diapers?
I would probably brown my Bermudas...:p

I think that the truck I will be getting when I turn 16 can top out at 100, nothing compared to this lightning quick car...:o

iGav

Sep 8, 2005, 01:05 PM

Like I said before, this car is bleeding edge,

But is it though? just to play devils advocate... :) what does the Veyron have that defines it as bleeding edge?

I'm not so sure that the Veyron moves on or redefines the supercar blueprint... in anything else other than top speed... and even then, that is a little shakey when one considers Koenigsegg.

Think of the cars that came before the Veyron and how they redefined the notion of the supercar.

Porsche 959 (twin sequential turbo, 4WD, uber-trick diff, hydraulic suspension etc)
Ferrari F40 (first car with extensive use of carbon fibre, first production car to exceed 200mph etc)
McLaren F1 (centre seating position, advanced (remote) telemetry systems etc)
Ferrari F50 (carbon fibre tub, F1 engine, engine mounted to tub etc)
Ferrari Enzo (advanced active aerodynamics, F1 driver aids, carbon brakes etc)
Porsche Carrera GT (the thing is pretty much wholly made in carbon fibre etc)

When you compare the Veyron to those cars, it's difficult to see how the Veyron really moves any of this on in any way other acceleration and top speed.

Mike Teezie

Sep 8, 2005, 01:13 PM

I own one. Nice car.

As do I.

If you have the means, I highly suggest picking one up.

It is so choice.

clayj

Sep 8, 2005, 01:19 PM

As do I.

If you have the means, I highly suggest picking one up.

It is so choice.If you say so, Ferris.

Just don't try winding the odometer back by running the car in reverse. That don't fly... although the car might. Briefly.

anonymous161

Sep 8, 2005, 01:51 PM

I honestly never thought VW would get this thing to production. What you have with the Veyron is a fascinating collection of Passat engines bolted on a common crank and surrounded by a kitschy body. The thing looks (and appears to handle like a stuffed pig). They really should have lowered the limiter from around 200 mph to about 150 because more than a few owners are going to kill themselves in this thing. I don't have a problem with a car being demanding to drive, but at some point it has to actually reward the driver and from what has been written it doesn't appear that the Bugatti is capable of that. Hopefully they have improved it from the prototypes or will at least improve them as time goes on.

VW would have been better off putting a closed cockpit on an R8.

iGav

Sep 8, 2005, 02:05 PM

What you have with the Veyron is a fascinating collection of Passat engines

hahahahahahahaha :p :p :p I love the way you pluralised that :p :p :p

anonymous161

Sep 8, 2005, 02:42 PM

Thanks iGav, flattery will get you everywhere :)

VW's engines are like Lego's. You need 16 cylinders? Just take two W8's that no one bought in the Passat and bolt them back to back. Out of W8's? Just take two VR4's from the Golf and put them side by side. By my calculations, for the price of four Golf's you should be able to buy a Veyron.

Lord Blackadder

Sep 8, 2005, 02:53 PM

But is it though? just to play devils advocate... :) what does the Veyron have that defines it as bleeding edge?

I believe it's bleeding edge in the sense that it's nominally tops but really just the sum of it's parts: on paper it is a superior car but as a package it may well be less satisfaying than all those hyper-exotics you mentioned. It is a flawed car that made some noticable compromises to put up the big numbers.

Diminishing returns; HUGE power but not an order of magnitude more than competitors, a bit of a weight problem perhaps and a top speed with an asterisk attached (if that special tires thing is still true).

It's still sensational, but it doesn't represent a new automotive paradigm, like hubless wheels.

anonymous161

Sep 8, 2005, 03:15 PM

It's still sensational, but it doesn't represent a new automotive paradigm, like hubless wheels.

Yes, sensational in a tabloid sense. VW believe that passion is something you can bolt onto a manifold. The entire car is a compromise, which is something that Bugatti's original cars never were. I take that back, I guess they had to use aluminum instead of magnesium for the production Atlantic, but that turned out okay.

mpw

Sep 8, 2005, 03:23 PM

...Porsche 959...
Ferrari F40...
McLaren F1...
Ferrari F50...
Ferrari Enzo...
Porsche Carrera GT...
My old boss had one of each of the first two in your list but died before getting the rest (I'm sure he would've) he also had at least one open wheeled Bugatti a type 31 I think I saw so probably would've had one of these too.

Lord Blackadder

Sep 8, 2005, 03:37 PM

Yes, sensational in a tabloid sense. VW believe that passion is something you can bolt onto a manifold. The entire car is a compromise, which is something that Bugatti's original cars never were. I take that back, I guess they had to use aluminum instead of magnesium for the production Atlantic, but that turned out okay.

Bugatti's original cars are so revered (sometimes slavishly so, though I can hardly disagree with the sentiment) that no "new" Bugatti will ever be good enough.

They once had a Bugatti display at the Cleveland Museum of Art; a Royale, an Atlantic and several racers. A bunch of snotty artsy-fartsy types stood around debating the artistic merits of the stlying, whereas I drooled over the prospects of driving them. Yeah, they're beautiful, but they're also purposeful. Triple digits. Bugatti racers will take you there, the Mona Lisa can't :)

That said, I liked the EB110. :o Mostly. The new car? Meh. Looks sort of bloated. I'd rather have an F40 or a Ford GT.

anonymous161

Sep 8, 2005, 03:58 PM

Bugatti's original cars are so revered (sometimes slavishly so, though I can hardly disagree with the sentiment) that no "new" Bugatti will ever be good enough.

You're right, but it would have been nice of VW to at least try to sell something other than an engineering exercise.

They once had a Bugatti display at the Cleveland Museum of Art; a Royale, an Atlantic and several racers. A bunch of snotty artsy-fartsy types stood around debating the artistic merits of the stlying, whereas I drooled over the prospects of driving them. Yeah, they're beautiful, but they're also purposeful. Triple digits. Bugatti racers will take you there, the Mona Lisa can't :)

I always thought it was a waste to put cars in art museums. Cars belong on tracks or at the very least in garages. I have never had the pleasure of seeing a Bugatti in the flesh and hopefully I never will, because I will cry or giggle like a child and that won't be a pretty sight.

That said, I liked the EB110. :o Mostly. The new car? Meh. Looks sort of bloated. I'd rather have an F40 or a Ford GT.

Did Ford ever get the cast aluminum wishbone cracking under control? It looks like a nice car with lots of brute power (from a truck motor) but for my money I would take an F430, preferably topless. Why would anyone ever pass up a Ferrari for a Ford? Oh the sounds we would make together...

stubeeef

Sep 8, 2005, 07:25 PM

Ya these are cute and nice little commuter cars, not half as fast as my last corporate vehicle, but cute. I wonder what kind of gas milage they get, and do you have to use premium?

Mr. Anderson

Sep 8, 2005, 07:51 PM

I wonder what kind of gas milage they get, and do you have to use premium?

I was wondering that too - and I'd be surprised if it wasn't a high compression engine and would do better on premium gas. But at 1,000,000 Euros - if you can afford the car, gas prices and mileage don't really matter.

D

anonymous161

Sep 8, 2005, 08:57 PM

Ya these are cute and nice little commuter cars, not half as fast as my last corporate vehicle, but cute. I wonder what kind of gas milage they get, and do you have to use premium?

Yes, but I believe the Bugatti does have the same propensity to get airborne as your last corporate vehicle, unfortunately.

stubeeef

Sep 8, 2005, 09:39 PM

Yes, but I believe the Bugatti does have the same propensity to get airborne as your last corporate vehicle, unfortunately.

Ya, just stick your arms out the window at those top speeds, and if you keep your arms the car ought to takeoff.

Lord Blackadder

Sep 9, 2005, 10:02 AM

Did Ford ever get the cast aluminum wishbone cracking under control? It looks like a nice car with lots of brute power (from a truck motor) but for my money I would take an F430, preferably topless. Why would anyone ever pass up a Ferrari for a Ford? Oh the sounds we would make together..

Yes, as far as I know. And as for the Ford's 5.4L engine, don't look at it as a truck motor in a sports car; rather, it's a sports car motor that ended up in trucks. And I would take a Ferrari over the Ford - but not just any Ferrari. F40, F50, Enzo - sure. 308, 348, 400i? give me the Ford GT.

Ya these are cute and nice little commuter cars, not half as fast as my last corporate vehicle, but cute. I wonder what kind of gas milage they get, and do you have to use premium?

I remember seeing an ad up on ebay for a Vietnam-era AH-1 Cobra helicopter. The seller was using it to commute from his (no doubt palatial) home to the corporate headquarters where he worked! :eek:

If I had tons of money to burn my commuter vehicle would be an F-86. :cool:

anonymous161

Sep 9, 2005, 10:32 AM

Yes, as far as I know. And as for the Ford's 5.4L engine, don't look at it as a truck motor in a sports car; rather, it's a sports car motor that ended up in trucks.

Actually, isn't the 5.4L a descendant of Ford's modular 4.6L that they developed for the squishy front-drive Lincoln Continental?
The Ford engine that takes the cake for me is the V12 from the Aston Vanquish that is actually 2 V6's from the Mondeo/Contour bolted end to end. :) Corporate problem solving.

And I would take a Ferrari over the Ford - but not just any Ferrari. F40, F50, Enzo - sure. 308, 348, 400i? give me the Ford GT.
Well, yeah, unless you are a Tom Selleck fan. He was dead sexy cruising around Hawaii in that 308 and flying his helicopter.