10.2.3 Update Seeded

[MacRumors]

Mac OS X 10.2.3 Build 6G14 has been seeded to developers.

Major updates in the areas of: Graphics, Printing, and Applescript.

Other updates areas include: Video, Core Audio, High Level Toolbox, Carbon, Firewire, and USB"


According to sources, final release of Mac OS X 10.2.3 should come in mid-December to early January before MacWorld San Francisco.

[crassusad44]

Apple continues to update their OS, to give us the best experience possible. This is good news!

Updates to the Printing system is still needed, so it would be good to see an update here. Wonder what graphics layers will be updated. OpenGL, Quartz, both??

[sparkleytone]

its already a huge update.

the client update weighs in at around 50MB.

the server is up to around 70MB.

i love that Apple is working mega hard on this OS.

maybe they have been given some oomph by the popularity of Jaguar.

[bousozoku]

The good news just keeps coming. :)

It's great that they're fixing all the little things that go bump in the night. I'm sure they're working on performance as well. The quicker Carbon becomes, the happier we'll be.

[blogo]

That build came on monday

[PrettyMan]

And what about JVM 14 FINAL !!!

We (developers) need it !!!

Ciao.

[asparagui]

Sparkly:

I'd say it's not so much that apple has extra umph from the release of Jaguar. This is a new age for Apple: this is the first time in a while that they are only working one OS. In recent years, they've been working on upwards of 3-5 projects at once, and as such their efforts have been diluted.

All the apple software engineers are working on one project right now: OSX.

The result? Sheer goodness. ;-)

-Brett
www.universe42.com

[fatalerror101]

Wonder if the update for the USB will mean USB 2.0 in the new powermac line that will be introduced this year?

O well we can hope that this new update will bring OSX closer to perfection.





PowerBook G4 1 GHZ 1024 RAM

[Chaszmyr]

No iChat 1.1?

[sparkleytone]

Originally posted by asparagui
Sparkly:

I'd say it's not so much that apple has extra umph from the release of Jaguar. This is a new age for Apple: this is the first time in a while that they are only working one OS. In recent years, they've been working on upwards of 3-5 projects at once, and as such their efforts have been diluted.

All the apple software engineers are working on one project right now: OSX.

The result? Sheer goodness. ;-)
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thats a nice observation. being that i have only been privy to the mac world for about a year, i never even gave that thought.

[JakeWalker]

Yet another spymac.com falsehood?

[bretm]

Originally posted by asparagui
Sparkly:

I'd say it's not so much that apple has extra umph from the release of Jaguar. This is a new age for Apple: this is the first time in a while that they are only working one OS. In recent years, they've been working on upwards of 3-5 projects at once, and as such their efforts have been diluted.

All the apple software engineers are working on one project right now: OSX.

The result? Sheer goodness. ;-)

-Brett
www.universe42.com

Curious, what projects in the past are you talking about? Apple has more software right now than it ever has. And not just iApps. They have to be working hard for the likely January release of FCP 4, future updates of DVD studio pro, whatever pro audio software they're going to release (and/or updates of audio software they purchased), all the updates of high end graphics apps they now own, their own web browser, a professional appleworks to compete with office, and the list goes on. I sure hope they're not ONLY working on OSX. In fact, I wonder how they aren't spreading themselves too thin. On the surface it doesn't seem like microsoft takes on as much. When I think microsoft I think office and other business apps, and all the flavors of windows and explorer. When I think of apple, I think of the OS, the hardware, the toys (ipod), the applications (even beyond iApps like I said) and I wonder how the heck Apple is a smaller company.

[shadowfax0]

I think he means that now they've dropped support for OS 9, now they can concentrate on just making OS X the best it can be...without updating/tweaking OS 9.

[MikeH]

Two words:

Scanner Support.

Without it I'm stuffed.

[gandalf55]

i can't wait to get this update installed. i have been really happy with jagwire... and improving upon it will be amazing. i personally don't like the iMail app very much and iChat is very primitive. But keep 'em coming Apple. We appreciate all the hard work!!

[scem0]

lol 'jagwire'... Good times good times..... :D

I hope iChat is updated, because as of now it sucks. I don't care
what anyone else says. It sucks. Yes, it has potential, and it can
be improved, but apple has not done that yet, so it sucks.:(

:D

[cspace]

i just hope they fix the issues with coreaudio...

cspace

[gairloch]

I was introduced to the Mac on OSX and switched just after Jaguar was introduced. I've been very happy, indeed, with my new working environment.

I've only two areas where I would like improvement...

1. Mail has loads of neat features, but I need BCC. It is so rude to send a group email displaying everyone's address in the header (most especially when they don't know each other).

2. Quartz sometimes fails to refresh my display (iBook 600; 16M VRAM) within certain program windows. This happens in the address book program, and occasionally in OmniWeb & Okito Composer. I've never experienced it with other programs I have installed. (I'd like to attached a PDF, but I can't get one small enough to post.) Is anyone else having this problem?

Also, I'm curious about the above poster's mention of needing core audio fixed. What are the problems that people are experiencing.

[totally_fly]

Originally posted by gandalf55
i can't wait to get this update installed. i have been really happy with jagwire... and improving upon it will be amazing. i personally don't like the iMail app very much and iChat is very primitive. But keep 'em coming Apple. We appreciate all the hard work!!

ummmm.. iMail?? I'm fairly certain its simply called: Mail.

I like it, but I don't use it much.

[eallison]

Mail has loads of neat features, but I need BCC. It is so rude to send a group email displaying everyone's address in the header (most especially when they don't know each other).

in OS X Mail, shift-cmd-b when writing a new message will give you the BCC header.

Also, my girlfriend and I both use iChat and neither of us have had any difficulty using it every day as a replacement for AOL's OS X client.

[dethl]

Hmmm....firewire upgrade? Could this mean the possibility of Gigawire (Firewire 2) being announced on new Macs? I'm not too hyped up on USB 2.0 tho...I dislike it for a fairly big reason: USB 2 cannot supply power to a drive...you HAVE to have an external power supply for any USB 2 drives

[oogje]

Has anyone successfully installed this update?

[yosoyjay]

Originally posted by bretm


On the surface it doesn't seem like microsoft takes on as much. When I think microsoft I think office and other business apps, and all the flavors of windows and explorer. When I think of apple, I think of the OS, the hardware, the toys (ipod), the applications (even beyond iApps like I said) and I wonder how the heck Apple is a smaller company.


Actually, Microsoft is much, much more than just Office, Windows, and Explorer. Think servers, development tools, games, business management, limited hardware, limited press, MSN, messanger, the list goes on and on. They really are a gargantuan company compared to Apple.

[gairloch]

I'd have never found it without you, brother^.^ Thanks and thanks again. After searching I did find it in the menus. I guess I didn't look close enough at first. It is a rather common feature to be so out of the way, no? I've always used Netscape's mail program and still do on occasion. I like the control it gives me, but Mail.app seems to be more stable on my setup.

Thanks for the help again. Times like this renew my faith in the usefulness of online posting. (For years I absolutely loathed the idea, but I've been warming recently.)

A though just crossed my mind... I recently reinstalled my system and included a "Swap" partition, which significantly reduced latency across the board. 10.2.2 helped as well, but I noticed a greater difference by using a separate partition for the swap file. I wonder if Apple should consider making it part of the default install configuration.

[j763]

Originally posted by bretm


Curious, what projects in the past are you talking about? Apple has more software right now than it ever has. And not just iApps. They have to be working hard for the likely January release of FCP 4, future updates of DVD studio pro, whatever pro audio software they're going to release (and/or updates of audio software they purchased), all the updates of high end graphics apps they now own, their own web browser, a professional appleworks to compete with office, and the list goes on. I sure hope they're not ONLY working on OSX. In fact, I wonder how they aren't spreading themselves too thin. On the surface it doesn't seem like microsoft takes on as much. When I think microsoft I think office and other business apps, and all the flavors of windows and explorer. When I think of apple, I think of the OS, the hardware, the toys (ipod), the applications (even beyond iApps like I said) and I wonder how the heck Apple is a smaller company.

I think it's quite clear that the fastest way to sink Apple would be for them to release their own browser and office suite. Executive management would have to be even more insane than they are currently (is that possible?) to do that.

Apple's developers are really spread thin right now. Keep in mind that only about a third of Apple's technologies ever make the market.

I'm actually really surprised we're seeing any Mac OS X Updates coming out the door. I guess my $149 USD has been used well... or maybe they're saving up to get steve a Black Market Nuclear Submarine. I've heard that he's kind of bored with the Gulfstream.

[Bear]

Originally posted by gairloch
1. Mail has loads of neat features, but I need BCC. It is so rude to send a group email displaying everyone's address in the header (most especially when they don't know each other).

Mail has BCC, you jave to add it from one of the menus each time you want to use it.

What would be a nice is being able to set in the preferences to allow mail to always show the BCC line if one wishes.

[JW Pepper]

I am not supprised we are seeing this update so soon. I think it's major focus is bug fixing. 10.2.2 introduced a lot of strange bugs and behavioral issues. Lots of drivers are not broken and many users are finding that there machines are inexplicable slowing down. USB is one of the problem areas.

[gotohamish]

Originally posted by dethl
Hmmm....firewire upgrade? Could this mean the possibility of Gigawire (Firewire 2) being announced on new Macs? I'm not too hyped up on USB 2.0 tho...I dislike it for a fairly big reason: USB 2 cannot supply power to a drive...you HAVE to have an external power supply for any USB 2 drives

I was reading a review of the new Creative 20GB mp3 player (Stuff Magazine, UK - it's a tech mag, not a w**kmag like in the US) and it has USB2 AND Firewire (4-pin) and the review says it can't charge from the firewire, but CAN from the adapter or USB2 - does this mean they've discovered how to power the drives through USB2 or is charging different?

PS - actually, like it matters, no one's going to buy one... Jan03 = Firewire 2!

[robguz]

Originally posted by gairloch
I'd have never found it without you, brother^.^ Thanks and thanks again. After searching I did find it in the menus. I guess I didn't look close enough at first. It is a rather common feature to be so out of the way, no?

RE: BCC

Yeah, it's nuts that it is so hard to find. I too found this on some fourm. Apple's help system was of no use (I didn't know you had to use BCC anyway, I just wanted to suppress recipient list). It should be much easier to find. I also miss drag and drop editing, which Eudora had for years. I hate having to cut and past within mail. I'm not using system 6 for godsakes! Forums like this one are a godsend for when Apple's oversights leave users scratching their heads.

[r.leroux]

According to the screenshot posted on macbidouille.com:

the new components are:

prefpanes:
bluetooth, internet, loginitems, sharing, software update and startup disk.

Applications:
Address Book, AppleScript, iChat, Mail, Preview, Sherlock.

Utilities:
Bluetooth, Directory Access, Disk Copy, Disk Utility, Installer, NetInfo Manager, Print Center, Terminal.

Under the hood:
Darwin from 6.2 to 6.3, ATI drivers from 1.2.6 to 1.2.8, nVidia GeForce 2 and 3.

It is possible that Apple will support FireWire 800 pbs and USB 2 since the chipsets are now available.

Can't wait to end of December. Will make a good Christmas gift...

[cspace]

regarding the audio issues, lots of folks are having issues with USB sound cards. lots of pops, clicks in the sound. this seems to be a 10.2.x issue and it's frustrating a lot of the pro audio crowd.

cspace

[r.leroux]

Hi,

Those components (Graphics, Printing, AppleScript, Video, Core Audio, High Level Toolbox, Carbon, FireWire, and USB) were also mentioned, so maybe, the problem will be fixed for good until 10.3.

[jaharmi]

It has been my experience as a support person that many people misunderstand and misuse BCC when it's presented to them in the interface. It can also be confusing to the BCC recipient, as well.

That said, I'm glad that BCC and reply-to are available, even if they are a little hidden and not in the main Mail message editing window.

As for drag and drop editing, it IS there. It's just that Apple Mail is a Cocoa application. You are probably most used to drag and drop from Mac OS 9 applications or Carbon apps on OS X. With Cocoa applications, you have to select the text, click on it, hold your click for a moment, and then drag.

Frankly, I find that less intuitive than the Carbon method, so I've submitted feedback on it to Apple's Mac OS X Feedback page. I encourage you to do so, too, because at least we all have a way to tell Apple what we want now.

At the very least, I think both Carbon and Cocoa should be consistent in this respect -- drag and drop of text shouldn't work differently from one application to the next just because of the API set it uses.

- Jeremy

[jfruh]

Originally posted by eallison



Also, my girlfriend and I both use iChat and neither of us have had any difficulty using it every day as a replacement for AOL's OS X client.

My main problem with iChat is that away messages don't work well with standard AOL clients. When I set an away message, people not using iChat (which is everyone on my buddy list) don't see it at all when they send me an IM.

[Capt. Obvious]

Originally posted by gairloch
...I'm curious about the above poster's mention of needing core audio fixed. What are the problems that people are experiencing.
Can't speak for others here, but there is a glitch when recording/sampling @ 22kHz/sec. that renders ViaVoice practically unusable for new installs (basically, ViaVoice samples @ that rate, and the glitch scrambles the audio; this makes VV's 'improve-by-correction-&-analysis' mode non-functional).

This glitch was introduced w/ 10.2, and isn't so bad for anyone who had a reasonably accurate voice model at the time they upgraded. Guys like me, however, who bought MDD-PMs as their first G4s, and THEN tried to install & train ViaVoice - well, it's a different story!

Apple has acknowledged the glitch, tho their work-around reminds me of an old joke ('it hurts when I do that' / 'don't do that!'). It MAY be a problem in the USB Audio kext.

No word if Apple actually plans to fix it, but IBM sez it aint their prob.

[Quark]

...I'm curious about the above poster's mention of needing core audio fixed. What are the problems that people are experiencing.

The other problem that I have noticed is that when the Audio system is turned on, there is constant "white noise" coming from the speakers. It is very faint, but noticeable and wasn't there in 10.1.x -- it appeared in 10.2.0.

Let me follow that up with mentioning that I think Apple is fantastic. This has been my first year experiencing the Mac. I own large amounts of Apple stock and am looking forward to their new products and think that they are clearly building a very solid foundation for something wonderful!

Go Steve and Apple! Thank you!

Quark

[electricimage]

I have found a 10% speed increase with 10.2.3.

I tested this with xBench.

Brad