'iTunes + iPod Video' Sighting

[MacRumors]

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With the media event coming up on October 12th, rumors continue to fly and resourceful users are searching for any evidence of upcoming products. Rumors range from Video iPods to PowerMac revisions.

One link that is floating around as "evidence" for a Video iPod is an old link left over on one of Apple's individualized country sites.

http://www.apple.com/za/itunes/video/

The page is entitled "iTunes + iPod Video" and appears to link to a video which is not available. On first glance it appears to be a new ad. However, this is an old "iTunes + iPod" promotional video that was shown at WWDC 2004 (http://www.macrumors.com/events/wwdc2004.html) and not a new ad featuring a Video iPod. The video was shown during the WWDC 2004 keynote speech (http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/wwdc04/) (7:55).

The wait is still on. More rumors/details as they become available.

[arn]

posted to head off the thousands of submissions and stories that would appear about this leftover page.

arn

[MacsRgr8]

It sure is heating up.....

;)

[Chaszmyr]

It's sad that something like this had to be posted on the front page :(

[Lollypop]

It's sad that something like this had to be posted on the front page :(

Very sad! I live in South Africa... we get products a month late, support is weak, we have no adds for ANY apple product .... there is no way in H%LL this could ever be real!

[lucasraggers]

So if it said "iTunes & iPod commercial", we are expecting an iPod commercial? If it said "iTunes & iPod ad", we are expecting an "iPod ad"?

[MontyZ]

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[Bern]

Would you not think that it says QT 6 required is a dead giveaway? :rolleyes:

[ericssonboi]

This is funny.. too much speculation

[katie ta achoo]

This is funny.. too much speculation

but.. I want one...

why, WHY must you speculate on my heart??
:p

I'm just waiting until I get my new iPod and install linux for video. :D

[vouder17]

its just a Video of the iPod and iTunes. South Africa is always waaay behind with product releases etc.. I lived there i know. Just like lollypop said this is in no way real!!

[Veldek]

I think the following link is more proof than this.

http://www.apple.com/movies

Normally, links to sites that don't exist lead you to the 404 page, but this one is different.

[johnnyjibbs]

Hmmm... that link was pretty pathetic. It's just a link to an old ad with a VIDEO (i.e. Quicktime movie) of an iPOD AD hence "iPod Video".

I'm not holding out for iPod Videos - as Steve Jobs said, what are we going to put on them? I'm sure walking around watching music trailors is really cool :rolleyes:

I think this media event is to do with new Pro machines. About time. Any new iPod would kill the iPod nano honeymoon in one fell swoop.

[Aldaris]

This is getting ugly...

look for stuff and your sure to find it... whether it's there or not...

I think I'm going to hide in a hole until the 12th... maybe go play with my PowerBook 520c or my new Cube...

[FunkSpaceMonkey]

As already mentioned, Steve said it wasn't going to happen.. Movies would be a joke on them..... Too small, why not just watch it on a laptop? Music videos would get boring.. But if video podcasts keep coming, that might get people interested.....

nahhh..

Stupid rumor..

[ZLurker]

The more i think about it, the more i tend to think this will be a pro event only.
Thats where apple really have to put in some effort.
It will be really interesting to see how he will present them.
New powerfull machines that will last for ages.... and they must survive the intel transition....
Hmm interesting...

[snack]

http://www.apple.com/movies


presumably related to the /trailers website - ie http://movies.apple.com/movies/universal/doom/doom_240.mov

[iMeowbot]

I think the following link is more proof than this.

http://www.apple.com/movies

Normally, links to sites that don't exist lead you to the 404 page, but this one is different.
Mm, but it has been that way since at least July and widely reported. Apple would be slick enough to smooth it over by now if there was something substantial to hide there, don't you think?

[MacsRgr8]

It still baffers me why it's "one more thing..."

Is a Pro-update "one more thing..."?

What was "one more thing..." intro of:
- Cube
- G5
- PowerBook G4 Ti
- iMac G4

So, some seriously new & brilliant stuff.

IMHO only a Dual Core Power Mac lives up to the "one more thing..." standard.

[Chaszmyr]

IMHO only a Dual Core Power Mac lives up to the "one more thing..." standard.

Those of us who want dual core powermacs may consider them pretty revolutionary, but I doubt Apple does. After all, they will be dual core, but they will use an architecture Apple is about to phase out.

[robelkin]

IMHO only a Dual Core Power Mac lives up to the "one more thing..." standard.

How about Dual Core Dual Processors.......

[podfuture]

Yes, we will see Video iPod next week.

Maybe Airport Express goes video because that is useful with video content on the Macs.

But no WiFi in the Video iPod for now.

[BWhaler]

Oh, for the love of God, Macrumors should be ashamed of themselves.

Either they are trolling for traffic or do zero research.

THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN DEBUNKED.

It's a Video about "iTunes + iPod" not a iTunes + iPod Video product page.

But I am sure there will 600 more posts after this. Go to engadget.com and see for yourself (the original source.)

[seriypshick]

Why?

[MacsRgr8]

Those of us who want dual core powermacs may consider them pretty revolutionary, but I doubt Apple does. After all, they will be dual core, but they will use an architecture Apple is about to phase out.

Apple will still be calling the Dual (Duals especially) Cores revolutionary, even if they don't really think so.
They still have to sell these Pro-Macs for, almost certainly, nearly 2 whole years. Gotta keep the hype.

[iMeowbot]

[They changed the page] Why?
Because it contained dead links and it was pointed out to them?

[nagromme]

Good detective work finding this :)

Even better detective work debunking it :D

[adt]

new powerbooks tuesday!!!

(is that still funny? was that ever funny?!)

[MrSugar]

one more thing was also used for apple cinema displays and the iPod mini.


In fact, I think it has been used most of the time that steve announces something big.

I am very excited.

[DHUK]

I reckon there will be an announcement about movies of some sort. Was the Mini able to play movies with ease before the 'silent' update? It would make sense to update the hardware that would look nice next to my TV to play the H264 movie I've just downloaded. :)

[Hyde]

so this is fake then?

http://img.engadget.com/common/images/3060000000047901.JPG

[Evangelion]

so this is fake then?

http://img.engadget.com/common/images/3060000000047901.JPG

yes

[iAlan]

so this is fake then?

http://img.engadget.com/common/images/3060000000047901.JPG

I hope so - that looks like what you find in a baby's nappy, the back side, not the front I might add.

If Apple does do a iPod video / vPod / iPod AV it would look better than that.

And I am loosing track of what I post and to which thread I post it? Anyone else having the same problem? I could have sworn I read half of what has been said in this thread in another thread :p

All i got to say is 'TELL US ALREADY' :p

[Bear]

Oh, for the love of God, Macrumors should be ashamed of themselves.

Either they are trolling for traffic or do zero research.

THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN DEBUNKED.

It's a Video about "iTunes + iPod" not a iTunes + iPod Video product page.

But I am sure there will 600 more posts after this. Go to engadget.com and see for yourself (the original source.)Did you even read the whole thing? Or did you just comment after seeing the link? It says right up there tha it was just the pointer to an old iTunes+iPod video.

[Photorun]

Everyone move along, there's nothing to see here... or anywhere for the moments. Appleinsider.com hasn't been relevant to any news or predictions since the Carter Administration, ThinkSecret has had a pretty high 85-90% reliability rating, if they're saying nothing is happening, sorry to burst people's bubbles but, uh, well... nothing is happening (I mean, aside from some speed bumps, which is fine).

[Chaszmyr]

Everyone move along, there's nothing to see here... or anywhere for the moments. Appleinsider.com hasn't been relevant to any news or predictions since the Carter Administration, ThinkSecret has had a pretty high 85-90% reliability rating, if they're saying nothing is happening, sorry to burst people's bubbles but, uh, well... nothing is happening (I mean, aside from some speed bumps, which is fine).

I don't know what part of this to criticize first. There IS something happening other than mere speed bumps, AppleInsider is right all the time, and ThinkSecret was right abuot 100% until the iPod mini update thing, which I think was false info intentionally planted by Apple.

[Porchland]

I think the following link is more proof than this.

http://www.apple.com/movies

Normally, links to sites that don't exist lead you to the 404 page, but this one is different.

Word. The posted rumor was about as weak as the my-friend's-unkle-work-at-apple rumors you see people post in here.

The comments by NBC Universal chief Bob Wright about Universal having movies online before the end of this year seems like a bigger indication to me that Apple has a deal in place with some of the studios.

[Porchland]

so this is fake then?

http://img.engadget.com/common/images/3060000000047901.JPG

It's an actual product; it's just not an iPod. Someone on a previous board posted a link to a japanese site that promoted whatever this is.

[1984]

Everyone move along, there's nothing to see here... or anywhere for the moments. Appleinsider.com hasn't been relevant to any news or predictions since the Carter Administration, ThinkSecret has had a pretty high 85-90% reliability rating, if they're saying nothing is happening, sorry to burst people's bubbles but, uh, well... nothing is happening (I mean, aside from some speed bumps, which is fine).

Yeah, um... so a few weeks ago when ThinkSecret said there would be no new PowerBooks until 2006 that was reliable? How about a couple weeks before that when they said other than new PowerMacs at Paris there would be no more hardware annoncements at all for the rest of the year? Then came the iPod nano, Mac mini update and soon PowerBooks and PowerMacs too. LOL. I love the part where they say just days before the event last month and despite the invite evidence that no new iPods would be announced there. Their track record has gone down the tubes and fast. They don't seem to have sources anymore. Everything they report on is already being talked about by other websites, analysts, etc. who at least stick to their stories instead of constantly revising them. I can't wait to see revision #3 where they go from no new iPods at all to iPods without video to iPods with video but no wireless. Wait for it... Here is comes...

[Evangelion]

It's an actual product; it's just not an iPod. Someone on a previous board posted a link to a japanese site that promoted whatever this is.

No, it's a fake. The screenshot is from a Toshiba PDA, while the rest of the unit is from something else (it does not match the Toshiba PDA).

[AT71]

http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/2585/ipodvideo9pm.th.jpg (http://img121.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ipodvideo9pm.jpg)

Screenshot of the slip up.

Anyway, Apple is pretty literal with their invites' images. Curtains > something related to moving pictures or video.

[iAlan]

so this is fake then?

http://img.engadget.com/common/images/3060000000047901.JPG

I hope so - that looks like what you find in a baby's nappy, the back side, not the front I might add.

If Apple does do a iPod video / vPod / iPod AV it would look better than that.

And I am loosing track of what I post and to which thread I post it? Anyone else having the same problem? I could have sworn I read half of what has been said in this thread in another thread :p

All i got to say is 'TELL US ALREADY' :p

[DaftUnion]

Seriously, DaftUnion is starting to think that somehow either everybody needs to just go in hibernation for a little under a week, or just super glue themselves to a chair, and have somebody peel them off when the time comes. Whatever's coming, it's on it's way, and it'll be here soon enough. We don't know what it is, so we can speculate all we want...but that just brings us back to square one...so option 1. hibernation or option 2. superglue.

Added note: Poster to thread (DaftUnion) likes to talk in third person when he pulls an all nighter and doesn't go to sleep. :p

[SiliconAddict]

Man someone, be it TS or any of the other news sites claiming iPod Video imminent, sure is going to have major egg on their face after this. Personally I hope its TS and Apple finally found the leak. Consequently they have been dicking with them.

[SiliconAddict]

so this is fake then?

http://img.engadget.com/common/images/3060000000047901.JPG

Last time. YES. The screen being displayed on there is the startup screen of a Toshiba Pocket PC. Someone dropped a cardboard cutout around the screen to make it widescreen and then dimmed the lights. Discussion over. Unless the video iPod is being co produced by Toshiba and is using Windows CE...Its a total fake.

the below pict is the startup screen of the Tosh Pocket PC.

http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=32032&stc=1

[kirk26]

It's sad that something like this had to be posted on the front page :(

Boy. This is a Mac Rumors site. If you want facts go to another Mac website. You are the weakeast link. Good bye.

[mainemike]

...everybody needs to just go in hibernation for a little under a week...

While we are hibernating, let's take in some recent articles, shall we?

* * * * *

http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/oct2005/tc2005107_3021_tc024.htm

http://news.designtechnica.com/talkback35.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9597131/

[zelmo]

podfuture, my money's on you until you're wrong.

To those who think minor speed bumps are all that will happen, I ask this: Why would Apple ever bother to have a special event to announce speed bumps? They might unveil them at a planned event like MWSF or WWDC, but otherwise they will just bring the web Store down and update. They wouldn't be holding a special event and put "one more thing" on the invite unless it was pretty big.
We users might think that going to dual 970MP processors in the Power Mac line is big, but Apple wouldn't. Moving to Intel is big to them. 970MP is just an overdue upgrade, as is anything they do with the PowerBook line.

Airport Express video and an iPod that can store and then play video to your TV? Now that is worthy of a special event.

[fulltilt]

I've seen quite a few people imply that a new full-size iPod is not going to happen, or at least not one that has major improvements/additions. They say it's because this would cut into Nano sales too deeply.

I don't really see much of an impact there. It's like saying that a new 15" iBook (top end) would hurt sales of the 12" iBook. There might be a few people that would shell out the extra ~$400, but if you were in the market for a 12" iBook, chances are that there are many other reasons you'd stick to it. Every person I know with a 12" iBook/Powerbook and some of the 15" Powerbook owners would not buy a 17" Powerbook, no matter how many goodies were packed into it. It doesn't fit their overall needs for a portable computer.

When the Nano was rolled out, like many, I thought - "This is cool! Should I . . .?" Then I remembered that I've been waiting to pull the trigger on the next full-size iPod, and that 4 gigs of storage isn't even close to what I want or need. Chances are, there are many Nano buyers who (like the mini buyers before them), chose that unit because it does fit their needs and anything significantly larger is overkill.

Lastly, I seem to recall that when the iPod Photo was introduced, the 20Gb model was not initially updated with that capability or the color screen. Could it be that if a video version was in the works, they might not simply save it for the 80 gig model since storage space for video might be a perceived issue for smaller capacity units?

I realize that a divergence in the line would occur when it seems they made it a point to converge the features on all the full-size units this past summer. But with 16 gig flash units on the horizon, it could be that the 20 gig full-size player will soon be put out to pasture, and with the line starting at 40 gig, video capability could exist on every unit in the lineup (full-size).

Oh well, just thought I'd add my newbie 2 cents. Can't wait to see what happens either way!

ft

[walkingmac]

I don't think anyone is getting what this event will probably be about. I can't see Apple calling for a special event just to announce some product bumps. Dual Core/New Powerbooks or not. Can there be, sure, ThinkSecret has a high accuracy with their leads. But still, in my mind, not something Apple will call a special session for, not when they know the ranks are looking under every suspicious looking rock we come across that seems to have been touched by hand of Jobs. New machines, maybe. Video iPod, Maybe. A mac as your complete digital hub? I think so. A Video iPod is nothing without a complete end-user experience already planned out. Thats how the iPod+iTMS was able to explode like it did. Apple has to come up with a way to do it right and I think they have it and we will see it next Wednesday.

[Fabio_gsilva]

I'm astonished with the buzz with all this rumors now... I'm new int he Mac world (less than a year), but the only rumors that beat the rumor of the video iPod next wednesday, that I remember, was the one about Intel rumors...

In the end, Intel rumors became reality... A lot of people talked and it hapened...

Vox Populi Vox Dei?

A dream that only one man dream is just a dream... But a dream that everybody dreams together is reality!!!

[jayscheuerle]

iTunes + iPod Video = stupid idea

[Fabio_gsilva]

While we are hibernating, let's take in some recent articles, shall we?

Oh yeah, we indeed shall...

Thanks.

[applemax]

For the last time!!!

The iTunes + iPod Video. It is an iTunes + iPod (Video/Movie/QT File). It was shown at the WWDC 2004 and its soundtrack was Stereogram. They talked about Express Airport, BMW, etc.. THIS ZA SLIP UP HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH VIDEO IPODS!!!!!

[SiliconAddict]

iTunes + iPod Video = stupid idea

iPod = Stupid idea circa 2001. :rolleyes:

[jayscheuerle]

iPod = Stupid idea circa 2001. :rolleyes:

Fine. iTunes + iPod Video = Stupid idea circa 2005. Better? :rolleyes:

[SiliconAddict]

Fine. iTunes + iPod Video = Stupid idea circa 2005. Better? :rolleyes:


So you actually think the original idea of the iPod is stupid? Hence the reason for circa 2001. Everyone said it was stupid. Everyone said it would flop. Everyone said Apple should stick with what they know. Everyone was dead wrong.

[podfuture]

podfuture, my money's on you until you're wrong.


Airport Express video and an iPod that can store and then play video to your TV? Now that is worthy of a special event.


It's been said over and over. Apple wouldn't call in the press to announce speed bumps. Even if Paul McCartney were part of the show.

Yes to video iPod next week, no to wifi built in (at least for now).

ps. I am glad to accept the title d'k head of the forum if there is no Video iPod :)

[SiliconAddict]

ps. I am glad to accept the title d'k head of the forum if there is no Video iPod :)


Well I'll take the title goober.

The thing is this could just as easily be a new device that links your desktop to your home theatre. There is no reason it HAS to be iPods. Oh and there still wasn't a reason why Sony's head boss was on stage at MWSF In Jan. Bring in Sony's big wig for a freaking video camera? I think not. Maybe a new Apple / Sony alliance?

[toneloco2881]

podfuture, my money's on you until you're wrong.

To those who think minor speed bumps are all that will happen, I ask this: Why would Apple ever bother to have a special event to announce speed bumps? They might unveil them at a planned event like MWSF or WWDC, but otherwise they will just bring the web Store down and update. They wouldn't be holding a special event and put "one more thing" on the invite unless it was pretty big.
We users might think that going to dual 970MP processors in the Power Mac line is big, but Apple wouldn't. Moving to Intel is big to them. 970MP is just an overdue upgrade, as is anything they do with the PowerBook line.

Airport Express video and an iPod that can store and then play video to your TV? Now that is worthy of a special event.
My thoughts exactly! We Mac users may care about a dual dual core powermac, or powerbooks with improved screen resolution. But let's be honest here....PC users have had dual core for over half a year, and HD screens for YEARS! This isn't revolutionary in the least. To invite the mainstream media to announce what is essentially a evolutionary bump in the product lines, would be akin to Microsoft holding a press conference for Service Pack 2. It's probably an iPod Video of some sort, although I hope it's an Airport Express that does video. That would be extremely useful.

[abrooks]

It's been said over and over. Apple wouldn't call in the press to announce speed bumps. Even if Paul McCartney were part of the show.

Yes to video iPod next week, no to wifi built in (at least for now).

ps. I am glad to accept the title d'k head of the forum if there is no Video iPod :)

Going back on your word? :eek:

[jayscheuerle]

So you actually think the original idea of the iPod is stupid? Hence the reason for 2001. Everyone said it was stupid. Everyone said it would flop. Everyone said Apple should stick with what they know. Everyone was dead wrong.

Easy there partner. Your desires are blocking your thought process.

Video iPods make no sense except to geeks. The concept delivers an incredibly inferior sensory experience compared to home viewing, while the iPod does not. The iPod sold well because of its incredible interface pared with great design that brought the full audio experience to your senses. There is NOTHING you can do to a handheld video player to bring the full video experience to your senses. Other than the fact that it can be done, there is nothing groundbreaking to deliver. Great! I can watch movies on a 2" screen. NEXT!!

Before Apple delivers ANYTHING related to video and the iPod, they need to get you connected to your television and input signals first. Once they have that done, in terms of a set-top DVR with a remote that has the scroll wheel and an iTunes interface on your screen, then you will have a place to store your recorded movies. At that point, adding crappy 2" video to your iPod is a no-brainer that adds additional functionality to the device (like the iPod photo), but is not claiming something revolutionary.

Until you are connected to your TV and able to store video files, there will be no Video iPod except in the hopeful minds of nerds.

[abhishake]

I think the following link is more proof than this.

http://www.apple.com/movies

Normally, links to sites that don't exist lead you to the 404 page, but this one is different.

I've been saying the same thing for a long time..

[MacQuest]

Man someone, be it TS or any of the other news sites claiming iPod Video imminent, sure is going to have major egg on their face after this. Personally I hope its TS and Apple finally found the leak. Consequently they have been dicking with them.

Oh for the love of Dog, do a little research will ya? TS is the one saying NO video iPods. AI is saying YES to video iPods.

http://www.thinksecret.com/news/0510oct12b.html

And yes there will be a video playback device. The question is, will it be classified as an iPod. Video download service will be made aailable through iTMS as well.

[podfuture]

Going back on your word? :eek:

Only on the built in WiFi part. This is less certain for now.

However, wifi seems important to the experience. I think there is something natural about having the iPod close to you. It becomes the control. Makes no sense to lay it on the TV stand. So the wifi "later" plan makes no sense.

[Chaszmyr]

Boy. This is a Mac Rumors site. If you want facts go to another Mac website. You are the weakeast link. Good bye.

I'm the weakest link? This news article wasn't a rumor, it was a fact(albeit a fact about a rumor). It's sad because it should be obvious to everyone. Maybe you should have read the entire post...

[SiliconAddict]

Easy there partner. Your desires are blocking your thought process.

Video iPods make no sense except to geeks. The concept delivers an incredibly inferior sensory experience compared to home viewing, while the iPod does not. The iPod sold well because of its incredible interface pared with great design that brought the full audio experience to your senses. There is NOTHING you can do to a handheld video player to bring the full video experience to your senses. Other than the fact that it can be done, there is nothing groundbreaking to deliver. Great! I can watch movies on a 2" screen. NEXT!!

Before Apple delivers ANYTHING related to video and the iPod, they need to get you connected to your television and input signals first. Once they have that done, in terms of a set-top DVR with a remote that has the scroll wheel and an iTunes interface on your screen, then you will have a place to store your recorded movies. At that point, adding crappy 2" video to your iPod is a no-brainer that adds additional functionality to the device (like the iPod photo), but is not claiming something revolutionary.

Until you are connected to your TV and able to store video files, there will be no Video iPod except in the hopeful minds of nerds.


Give me a break. Sensory experience? :D that actually was funny. Have you actually ever used a PMP before? If not then you have NO frame of reference to use. The simple fact is that you and no one else knows what the general public wants because no one has produced a PMP on a level that Apple could. So please take the sensory experience and use it on someone else. This device wouldn't be intended for home viewing. Its intended for on the go access to your media. Not just music. Not just photos. Everything. And if Apple doesn't want to market this its fine. They will loose out on the next generation of media distribution. watching a TV show on a small screen is perfectly acceptable experience. No it’s not like a 40" widescreen plasma HDTV at home but its not intended to be. No it’s not like lugging around a 17" laptop but it’s not intended to be. You are putting too much thought into this device. You can have quality without needing a huge *** screen. What is it with people thinking you need a screen to cover your vision’s field of view to make it some uber experience. You don’t. There is a certain size that is minimum for an adequate viewing experience and that screen size CAN be put into an iPod without making it drastically large. Larger yes. But still small enough to be pocketable. I still think we are going to at some point see the following lineup:

iPod video $500

iPod $400-$300

iPod Nano $250-$199

iPod shuffle $129-$99

There is NO reason why a video couldn’t be the top of the line iPod. Apple did it last year with the Photo.
Well no reason other then people’s insane notions that it can’t happen “because” its just not good enough. Take a look at the iTMS and their 128KB/s, low res coverart as a idea of where good enough for Apple is right now.

[MacQuest]

The thing is this could just as easily be a new device that links your desktop to your home theatre. There is no reason it HAS to be iPods.

VIDEO IS A SURE THING...
...but is it for an iPod named device?

Yeah, yeah, I know I'll get flamed for this, but I have a friend who works for a communications chip developer and manufacturer that markets abroad. We had a discussion in the first half of '04 about this.

Let's just say that the only thing we questioned was what a video playback device that they were developing a chip for would be classified, or named as. Would it be part of an existing line, or have a completely unique name that didn't associate it with any currently marketed product?

The iPod name has since become such a huge marketing focus for Apple that they [SJ/Apple] may have disgarded any apprehension [if any] to add the iPod moniker to this video devices name.

Ambiguous enough for ya? Good. The hints are all in there and that's all I'm saying...



I'm thinking that they will not come out with a "video iPod", "iPod video" or "vPod", etc.

I think that there will be a video playback device, but possibly not classified as an iPod, even if the form factor is similar or not.

That way SJ can say that he still believes, as he always has stated, that "no one wants to watch video on a tiny screen".

I'm almost leaning towards the older rumors of a Mac tablet device [yes, here we go again] with a 4x6, 5x7 or 8x10 LCD screen that could double as a mini lcd display and also as one of those electronic photo frames, except with video! Possible networking capabilities and limited input capabilities [maybe by stylus? Inkwell and return of the Newton anybody?]

It would be a perfect accessory to any Mac [especially the Mac mini] , but in no way a replacement.

I'm just thinking that the iPod name will stay specific to Apple's current products, and that a major new function like video playback would not be called an iPod, even if it was designed by the "iPod division" which I think they just called it that to form a R&D division for any new peripherals that they may want to look into developing. iPod branded or not.

We'll see next Wednesday.

[jayscheuerle]

Have you actually ever used a PMP before?

I don't pay for sex. I've got a girlfriend. :eek:

[MacQuest]

Fine. iTunes + iPod Video = Stupid idea circa 2005. Better? :rolleyes:

Boy, that sure flew right over your head!

It's called sarcasm BTW...

[jayscheuerle]

Boy, that sure flew right over your head!

It's called sarcasm BTW...

The difference will be that the iPod actually came out in 2001. ;)

[Peace]

I don't pay for sex. I've got a girlfriend. :eek:


Oh..you pay for sex I guarantee you :p

RE: The topic here and the page changing. I recall yesterday I told folks Apple takes a look here.And that page change happenstance proves it..imho.But don't worry..Apple likes Macrumors..

I'm with podfuture but this is going to be an Apple theatre with WiFi..

[jcroft]

Forgive me if this has already been mentioned -- don't have time to read all the comments.

If this were for a video iPod, per Apple's current naming scheme, it would probably say, "iTunes + iPod video," with a lowercase "v".

[Peace]

There should be a countdown clock on the front page :p

[iSwift]

This is the same deal that happened with the last Powerbook update. Nobody knows what is going to happen, so why can't we just wait?

(Yeah I know, I'm read all of this stuff everyday so I'm just as bad)

[itsa]

This is the same deal that happened with the last Powerbook update. Nobody knows what is going to happen, so why can't we just wait?

(Yeah I know, I'm read all of this stuff everyday so I'm just as bad)

Wait nothing! BRING ON THE RUMORS!! :0)
What would this site be without rumors?

[nichtsicher]

A facts site :P

[deputy_doofy]

I still think the mythical iPod video should also play Keynote presentations.
It really WILL become a great business tool of the future.
Audio
Video
Notes
Calendar
Alarm Clock
Screen Lock
Games
Keynote

I am a genius. DoofyJobs :D

[nichtsicher]

Please, noone post more comments on "One more thing.." being One more thing. Its a figure of speech, so it doesnt mean just one more thing.

[Eastend]

Me thinks some of the rumors are getting carried away. So whats with the Quicktime viewing in iTunes throw almost any Quicktime file in iTunes and you can view it in the album cover box, a good per cent of the people already knew this. I've got over 10 Quicktime videos in iTunes, hardly ever whatch them, just listen to the music. The link is not a rumor.

[snowmoon]

Of course... it coudn't be... that Apple legal is feeding different stories to different people and or groups of people to narrow down who is leaking trade secrets? Hmmm? Partition say, Americans and other countries, or different branches of the comapny and feed them different rumors to see which ones hit the streets and when. It's a standard divide and conquer strategy.

I think, because of elgato eyeHome rebates, apple will be releasing a video enabled iTunes and possibly a airport express that can play video, but I'm still hesitant to believe that apple would "blaze a trail" into uncharted territory with a vPod. They make things better, they DON'T blaze a trail ( too costly ).

[-hh]

This is the same deal that happened with the last Powerbook update. Nobody knows what is going to happen, so why can't we just wait?

Because it would be nice to be able to plan ahead some.

I've gotten my wife talked into getting a small laptop (~12") in lieu of dropping $500 for a digital wallet (for my dSLR), and since the iBook update, there's IMO absolutely no reason to spend 50% more to get the pragmatically inferior PB.

Since I'm getting near our deadline to get ready in time for our next vacation trip, next week boils down to the "fish or cut bait".

If the PB's refresh sucks (as bad as last time), then I might go for a (non-Apple) digital wallet, since they're much better suited for my needs than an iPod photo...but in the meantime, I've discovered a Sony VAIO 10.x" widescreen for under $2K that looks quite appealing...and lighter than the PB (and perhaps in a year, that Sony will be able to dual boot to OS X :-)



(Yeah I know, I'm read all of this stuff everyday so I'm just as bad)

Same here. I don't blame Apple for wanting to keep stuff close-hold - - that's business. But by the same token, there's a highly motivated consumer base here that could be cleverly used to gage what features are more marketable than others and develop their business strategies accordingly.

For example, I have absolutely *no* intention on buying Rev1 MacTel Hardware...just like I was vindicated for no buying a NuBus based PPC Mac.


-hh

[Butts M Biggilo]

Look up in the sky.... Was that a freaking alien being? Are they friendly? Do they want to eat our brains? Look its displaying some kind of video image... yes...yes.... it’s last weeks confounding LOST episode. People this is good, break out the champagne, and get NAKED.
Mike :rolleyes:

[Yvan256]

- 2005 "the year of HD"
- Sony president on stage
- "One more thing" press invitation with red curtains on the background (iDVD theme)
- Universal to put movies on-line before the end of the year (which means less than 3 months from now)

It doesn't have to be an iPod video. Heck, lots of people use iTunes on their computer but don't have an iPod. The Mac mini would be a perfect living room computer for movie playback, except for the fact that it's not powerful enough to handle HD content. And we know for a fact that even the still-not-announced-Mac-mini still has a Radeon 9200 (which means no hardware-based H.264 acceleration).

So either Apple thinks people will watch movies on their computers (software-only solution) or they're coming out with some device to connect your computer to your television (software+hardware combo).

It could be a video iPod. Heck, the iPod (and iPod photo) can already display pictures on TV. And there's the rumors about the "one more thing" that recent iPods can do (but has been kept "disabled" until now).

Add iTunes' current ability of video files (music videos), the recent release of Quicktime 7 for Windows (for H.264) and it's pretty obvious IMO.

I predict a new version of iTunes and upgraded iPods (40 and 80GB) on the 12th. And massive sales of the iPod dock (with video output). Those new iPods could even be using Hitachi's new perpendicular recording technology and have the same size (if not the exact same casings) as the previous iPod mini. Just add a color screen and those new drives and you're good to go.

The only question is: will they allow the iPod nano to play videos? (it doesn't have video-out capability, and my guess is that video playback on the iPod display will only be a bonus for those wishing to view content on the bus, subway, train/plane flights, etc).

Edit: just thought about something... control. If the iPod is connected to a dock for video output, will you really want to get up to control the movies? I guess not. So I'll have to add a new dock+remote to my list of predictions. In true Apple style, the dock would include an infrared port and work with your current VHS/TV/DVD player remote (somehow). Or maybe simply include a custom remote. And the iPod cannot be the remote because it doesn't have wireless capabilities and the battery life isn't long enough (audio, video and wireless? You'd be lucky to get 2 hours from a full charge). Unless you want your iPod player/remote to be connected with a 10 meters wire to your television? :rolleyes:

[-hh]

I still think the mythical iPod video should also play Keynote presentations.
It really WILL become a great business tool of the future.
Audio
Video
Notes
Calendar
Alarm Clock
Screen Lock
Games
Keynote

...only if it comes with a swing-out USB port jack so that it can be plugged into the PC that's driving the projector.

I don't particularly see that happening; Bluetooth Wireless is more likely.


The hot business tool currently is (and remains) the Blackberry.

By this paradigm, you would need to add push-based email to the ROKR, and then make it better than the Blueberry...such as making it able to plug into your laptop to form a wireless internet connection for the laptop. This is all so "non-iPod" that it would IMO have to be an entirely new product for Apple.



-hh

[tuartboy]

As already mentioned, Steve said it wasn't going to happen.. Movies would be a joke on them..... Too small, why not just watch it on a laptop? Music videos would get boring.. But if video podcasts keep coming, that might get people interested.....

nahhh..

Stupid rumor..
I used to really agree with you, but the more I thought about it, the more I liked the idea of a video iPod.

Sure, movies would suck. I want it so I can watch TV shows and vidcasts. I subscribe to 4 vidcasts now and I hate that I have to sit at my computer to watch them. Also, I would love to rip my Family Guy collection to H.264 and carry it around with me so I can watch it on the train or hook it up to any home theatre and watch it there.

Besides, my 3G is showing its age. Time to get a new one anyway.

Oh, and so I don't hijack: Yeah, the cached site is stupid. ;)

[Peace]

The new ( upcoming ) iPod IS the remote.

[LHEAT]

Does anybody here might think that the event might be to announce the new and revolutionary Mighty Mouse with no Tail. :p

[digitalbiker]

How about some sort of new Blu-Ray recording device?

You can use it to record and playback HD content at home.

There will also be a drive made to fit in the PM for HD iMovies,iDVD content etc.

Then they announce new updated hardware, PM, PB, iMac and updated iTunes. :D

[Metatron]

I now feel more stupid for having read this thread...

Who cares what it is..."it" will come, and we well love steve for it.

-I am, the metatron

[digitalbiker]

iPod = Stupid idea circa 2001. :rolleyes:

I was around when the iPod was announced and I only remember a small minority who thought that it was a bad idea and a flop. The vast majority loved the product. The ipod mini was thought by many as a possible flop because of the limited initial storage space and high price.

So I don't think this is an analogous situation with the vpod. Even Steve does not believe that a vpod can be marketed as a viable product.

You just can't watch video while doing other activities like you can audio. Therefore it really doesn't have to be a tiny always with you type device. Not like a phone or an mp3 player. It can be larger, as long as it is sturdy, light and portable. It would also have to be extremely well lit otherwise it would only be usable in dim light situations due to glare and screen wash-out in sunlight.

[ijimk]

not sure if i would like an ipod video version. i must admitt i mainly use mine for music and an occasional photo to show my fireinds and family. thats just me. ;)

[fed-ex]

Clearly something video related is afoot. There is just to much evidence pointing in that direction.
- The video podcasting on itunes.
-Lack of updates to the music video section of itunes
-The talks between apple and entertainment companies regarding video content.
-The movie curtains on the invitiation to the event coming up.
-And Steve Jobs love to dismiss things right before coming out with a new product, likke how he keeps saying it's nopt the right time for video. He loves messing with his competitors.
I defniitly think it has something to do with video content.

[tuartboy]

not sure if i would like an ipod video version. i must admitt i mainly use mine for music and an occasional photo to show my fireinds and family. thats just me. ;)
of course you do. That's all it can do right now! ;)

[iAlan]

Of course... it coudn't be... that Apple legal is feeding different stories to different people and or groups of people to narrow down who is leaking trade secrets?.

I think this would do more harm to Apple as things get blown way out of proportion - as is the case wit the current batch of rumors.

I wil be honest, I have read most of the posts in the several threads on the announcement next week, and like the rest of you I too need to get a life.

I can't believe we are all so worked up - with most of us probably not in the market for what we are wishing for?

We are going in circle with some posters changing their opinion after reading someone else's post (aka...you might have something there now that i read you post...or...I never thought of that, I think you are spot on...etc)

It is all speculation, but one thing is for sure, in terms of sales and stock value Apple have not put a foot wrong in a while. The company is doing great and i hope they haven't over hyped themselves on this one as it may back fire...

[applemax]

I just found this from a mate. It looks a bit hoaxy, but i aint sure! anyways, going back to the new iPod running Keynote mini (what I'd call it). I can just imagine Steve saying, "One more thing.... This whole keynote has been running of our newest iPod: the iPod Pro!" lol. This is what I think this announccement will be:

iPod mini returns with facelift (please!! :D )
iHome
iPod pro
iPod video
Powerbook/mac
Airport AV

Here's the link

http://img321.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newipod80gbonza6bp.png

[dejo]

http://img321.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newipod80gbonza6bp.png

Well, there's the proof, people... NOT!

[applemax]

lol

well if it is real, at least it's not that engadget toshiba pic thing :p

[davidgilmour]

a friend of mine was in an apple store in holland today and he heard 2 salesguys talking about the update. Apparantly the girlfriend from one of these guys works as a marketing assistant at Apple.nl and she told him that the new powerbooks with built in webcam were being released next week. And they all would be widescreen HD compliant, so the 12 inch is getting a redesign.

I am so very anxious now !

[Yvan256]

[...] new powerbooks with built in webcam were being released next week. And they all would be widescreen HD compliant, so the 12 inch is getting a redesign.

I suddenly have a 12" PowerBook for sale... ;)

[rjc]

If the PB's refresh sucks (as bad as last time), then I might go for a (non-Apple) digital wallet, since they're much better suited for my needs than an iPod photo...but in the meantime, I've discovered a Sony VAIO 10.x" widescreen for under $2K that looks quite appealing...and lighter than the PB (and perhaps in a year, that Sony will be able to dual boot to OS X :-)

hh,

My advice for you would be to go for the 12" iBook, which is a great value and will continue to be a great value after Wednesday. If the 12" is updated along with the other Powerbooks on Wednesday, the update will be significant. I think a switch to the 7448 G4, even at 1.7 GHz, would be great. But for your needs, the iBook might actually be a better value, especially if the 12" update isn't as significant as the 15" and 17" updates (assuming any of them happen).

The chances of a Sony dual booting to OS X in a year are very, very slim.

Good luck either way.

[jayscheuerle]

This is getting insane...

[-hh]

hh,

My advice for you would be to go for the 12" iBook, which is a great value and will continue to be a great value after Wednesday.


Agreed. I just have a spare cash burning a hole in my pocket, and if the 12" PB does make a good features leap, I'd be more strongly tempted to not simply be "practical" with settling for merely the 12" iBook.


-hh

[Doctor Q]

a friend of mine ... heard 2 salesguys talking about the update. Apparantly the girlfriend from one of these guys works as a marketing assistant at Apple.nl and she told him...Would you believe a rumor that had a source described that way? I have yet to meet any employee in an Apple Store that new more about what announcements were coming up than I did, or at least one willing to say so.

[shyataroo]

I wonder if steve jobs knows about the mighty mouse yet...

Also, what the point of a video iPod would be, if there was a processor available for the iPod that could view movies with a reasonable battery life it would prolly be expensive to make or buy off another company... (of course one could always hope for a iPod Cell) maybe all we are really looking at is a iPod with a bigger hard drive.

[bdkennedy1]

Ummmm....Steve has said lots of things aren't going to happen and they did.

As already mentioned, Steve said it wasn't going to happen.. Movies would be a joke on them..... Too small, why not just watch it on a laptop? Music videos would get boring.. But if video podcasts keep coming, that might get people interested.....

nahhh..

Stupid rumor..

[Detlev]

Can someone run down the realistic options of what could be anounced next week? Realistic, not hopes and dreams.

Break it down into corporate, software and hardware.

Some aspects to think of:

Shipping - we're already in the fourth quarter. In order to supply all the vendors it has to be made and ready to go or something that will not be shipped. Technically, they are late if they are shooting for the Holiday shopping season.

Timing (1) - It can't be something that would compete for the same $$ that the Nano is attracting.

Timing (2) - What product upgrades (hardware and software) are due and would fit in with the scheduled Intel upgrades mid 2006?

Products - Where are the holes in the product line (again keep it realistic) that they could have been working on (software and hardware).

Has something happened on the corporate side that we all missed?

[shyataroo]

Would you believe a rumor that had a source described that way? I have yet to meet any employee in an Apple Store that new more about what announcements were coming up than I did, or at least one willing to say so.

From what i hear... the way Apple manages to get new products into the apple store without Apple employee's knowing what it was... is in a large non descript shipping box with the words DO NOT OPEN UNTIL: (insert date) of course I did hear it from someone who I've never seen working at an apple store.

[quigleybc]

The thing is this could just as easily be a new device that links your desktop to your home theatre. There is no reason it HAS to be iPods. Oh and there still wasn't a reason why Sony's head boss was on stage at MWSF In Jan. Bring in Sony's big wig for a freaking video camera? I think not. Maybe a new Apple / Sony alliance?



This is the only post on here that makes sense to me. I agree with this reasoning.

[shyataroo]

what would make sense to me is what has been posted (something about all models of computers having High Def Screens) except of course the eMac maybe they will re-introduce the 15" all-in-one to help bridge the gap betwen the mac mini and the eMac....


what I would like to see is the following: a "docking station" for the mac mini on the eMac (so the mac mini can use the eMac's screen while acting as a s econd processor and such)


Video iPod? I doubt it.

[Heiro]

I have something to add:
http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=2f57d0b16a4b46e69eac5bc87adad267&rgn=div8&view=text&node=47:4.0.1.1.4.11.3.15&idno=47

(4) Cable operators shall:

(i) Effective April 1, 2004, upon request of a customer, replace any leased high definition set-top box, which does not include a functional IEEE 1394 interface, with one that includes a functional IEEE 1394 interface or upgrade the customer's set-top box by download or other means to ensure that the IEEE 1394 interface is functional.

(ii) Effective July 1, 2005, include both a DVI or HDMI interface and an IEEE 1394 interface on all high definition set-top boxes acquired by a cable operator for distribution to customers.

This would mean that any HD box in the US has firewire(IEEE 1394) as of july. anything with a firewire cable can conect to one of these devices and, assuming they have the right drivers, communicate with your home entertainment center. anyone got anyideas what this could mean?

[balamw]

anyone got anyideas what this could mean?
Besides Apple getting a FireWire licensing fee (A fraction of $0.25) for each firewire enabled unit? :p

Could it be the year of HD?

B

[Yvan256]

Besides Apple getting a FireWire licensing fee (A fraction of $0.25) for each firewire enabled unit? :p

Could it be the year of HD?

High Dividends? :D

[Chupa Chupa]

It still baffers me why it's "one more thing..."

Is a Pro-update "one more thing..."?

What was "one more thing..." intro of:
- Cube
- G5
- PowerBook G4 Ti
- iMac G4

So, some seriously new & brilliant stuff.

IMHO only a Dual Core Power Mac lives up to the "one more thing..." standard.

Dual Core PMs may live up to "one more thing" at MW or WWDC, but NOT at a Special Apple Event. These are always reserved for consumer products. The reason Apple does these Special Events is because they want the PR. PM are a very limited audience + the Windows world already has dual core machines, so it would hardly be earth shattering for Jobs to say Macs now have dual core machines. That won't make the front pages anymore than "dog bites postal worker."

[-hh]

Can someone run down the realistic options of what could be anounced next week? Realistic, not hopes and dreams.

Break it down into corporate, software and hardware.

Sure:

The rumor mills won't get serious about leaking what they have until they're:

a) Confident that its not a plant from Apple to help reveal the leaking source(s)

b) The MacRumors-type websites are confident that they'll get several hours of webtime exposure before Apple Legal can contact them to pull the offending material.


Since Monday's a holiday, the latter suggests waiting after Close-of-Business for Apple Legal on Friday...around 6 hours from now :-)


-hh

[Chupa Chupa]

From what i hear... the way Apple manages to get new products into the apple store without Apple employee's knowing what it was... is in a large non descript shipping box with the words DO NOT OPEN UNTIL: (insert date) of course I did hear it from someone who I've never seen working at an apple store.


While that is how a lot of products like CDs and software are delivered, I don't think Apple does this. If it did then all the Apple Stores would have had the nano in stock the day of the announcement. I think only the SF store had them and those were delivered during the announcement. All the other stores were delayed 1-3 days. In fact, I called up the local store after Jobs said they were available immediately and the guys there thought I was from Mars. They never heard of an iPod nano.

[Peace]

Sure:

The rumor mills won't get serious about leaking what they have until they're:

a) Confident that its not a plant from Apple to help reveal the leaking source(s)

b) The MacRumors-type websites are confident that they'll get several hours of webtime exposure before Apple Legal can contact them to pull the offending material.


Since Monday's a holiday, the latter suggests waiting after Close-of-Business for Apple Legal on Friday...around 6 hours from now :-)


-hh

Smart thinking there! I bet we see a lot more "informed speculation" from the big media guns tomorrow.

[lcde]

The more i think about it, the more i tend to think this will be a pro event only.
Thats where apple really have to put in some effort.
It will be really interesting to see how he will present them.
New powerfull machines that will last for ages.... and they must survive the intel transition....
Hmm interesting...


That's where my hope is. the powerbooks and powermacs have to last until 2nd gen intel. The reason is it would take at least that long for all of the high end applications to be ported over.

here's praying for dual core revision of PB :) HD screen. That would make up for the 0.05 MHz speed bump.

ugh... a man can dream.

[Chupa Chupa]

Since Monday's a holiday, the latter suggests waiting after Close-of-Business for Apple Legal on Friday...around 6 hours from now :-)

-hh


Apple legal never closes and Apple lawyers never sleep.

[Whyren]

Apple legal never closes and Apple lawyers never sleep.

The iTunes Music Store, however, does. ;)

[AT71]

Sub-domain http://movies.apple.com/ is live. Doesn't really mean anything but it's interesting to know that it's alive. :D

[Yvan256]

Sub-domain http://movies.apple.com/ is live. Doesn't really mean anything but it's interesting to know that it's alive. :D

Same sub-domain that's been serving up movie trailers for months (if not years).

[Peace]

Sub-domain http://movies.apple.com/ is live. Doesn't really mean anything but it's interesting to know that it's alive. :D

Speaking directory structure wise I believe movies.apple.com is the same as apple.com/movies/ only with an index file.Correct me if I'm wrong and I probably am.

[MacRy]

Ooh it's great to be back on MacRumors discussing an actual rumour for a change :) I'm getting excited already.

I'm curious as to what we can expect next week and I too question the likelihood of a video ipod but you the curtains on the invitation do seem to suggest something to do with movies I feel. Whether it be an iTunes Movie Store or some kind of hardware I don't know but the curtains just keep nagging away at me.

[MacsRgr8]

a friend of mine was in an apple store in holland today and he heard 2 salesguys talking about the update. Apparantly the girlfriend from one of these guys works as a marketing assistant at Apple.nl and she told him that the new powerbooks with built in webcam were being released next week. And they all would be widescreen HD compliant, so the 12 inch is getting a redesign.

I am so very anxious now !

We don't have any Apple Stores in Holland.
We have a couple of Apple Centres (look a bit like an Apple Store, but are run independantly), and those salespersons know even less than a sales person at, say, the Regent Street, London.... a real Apple Store.
A marketing assistant also will not know alot. Usually only the head of Apple Holland will know what will come along, because he has to make an estimate in sales for that product right after the announcement.

[Eevee]

Ooh it's great to be back on MacRumors discussing an actual rumour for a change :) .


I agree, it's nice to discuss about next week's suprise. Can't wait. Heard the price on the Mac displays are going to drop. :D That will be nice to have in addition to a dual dual G5 PM (!?!). Sweet

[~Shard~]

I agree, it's nice to discuss about next week's suprise. Can't wait. Heard the price on the Mac displays are going to drop. :D That will be nice to have in addition to a dual dual G5 PM (!?!). Sweet

Hmm, that's a new one - haven't heard anything about the displays myself. Yeah, that would be excelent to see. Slowly but surely that 30" LCD is gradually coming into my price range. Still a little while yet though... :o ;)

[MacsRgr8]

Slowly but surely that 30" LCD is gradually coming into my price range. Still a little while yet though... :o ;)

You're a good saver, or are you earning more and more...?
:)

[swingerofbirch]

i wanted to post my prediction on the record, sorry if this has already been hypothesized:

mac minis have been upgraded to 1.5 ghz with no acknowledgement from Apple
why? why would apple not promote a better product to increase sales?

maybe apple was forced to use the faster chips because they ran out of supplies of the slower ones after EOL'ing the current mac mini, maybe a new mac mini that was intended to replace it was not ready in time,

maybe that mac mini was the world's first mac with an intel processor,

maybe that is the one last thing that apple will unveil this wednesay!

but what about the curtain in the invite? isn't it symbolic like the pocket was on the last invite? as an even further stretch maybe the mac mini intel will be the first computer to support itunes movies downloads, as it has been mentioned that the intel chip is coveted for its built in copyright protections, a feature that would surely woo the movie industry to cooperate in an itunes style movie store

of course any such computer could replace the mac mini instead, and initially be marketed as a movie machine..who knows! just some ideas!

[zpapasmurf]

i wanted to post my prediction on the record, sorry if this has already been hypothesized:

mac minis have been upgraded to 1.5 ghz with no acknowledgement from Apple
why? why would apple not promote a better product to increase sales?

maybe apple was forced to use the faster chips because they ran out of supplies of the slower ones after EOL'ing the current mac mini, maybe a new mac mini that was intended to replace it was not ready in time,

maybe that mac mini was the world's first mac with an intel processor,

maybe that is the one last thing that apple will unveil this wednesay!

but what about the curtain in the invite? isn't it symbolic like the pocket was on the last invite? as an even further stretch maybe the mac mini intel will be the first computer to support itunes movies downloads, as it has been mentioned that the intel chip is coveted for its built in copyright protections, a feature that would surely woo the movie industry to cooperate in an itunes style movie store

of course any such computer could replace the mac mini instead, and initially be marketed as a movie machine..who knows! just some ideas!

the part about the mac mini possibly using the intel procs sparks some interest with me.

it would make sense for them to use intel chips in the mac mini first because the average buyer af a mac mini isnt gonna be running lots of high end 3rd party software that needs to be rewritten for most performance. all they want is itunes, iphoto, safari and somewhere to save stuff...


hmmmm

im probably wrong though

[xsnightclub]

The invite has curtains which appear to be the type that cover a movie screen or stage.

This almost postively has to do with video, I doubt it will be iPod related as any new iPods would cannabilize the Nano sales which will be huge for holiday season.

The "one more thing" on the invite really eludes that this will be a very big launch. iTunes Movie Store with ability to burn movies would be huge and drive a lot of Mac sales for the holidays.

Less likely that this will be a airport with video broadcasting as movies would take up a lot of space on the HD.

Just my $.02

[aswitcher]

What would really rock would be if they have an upgrade for all colour iPods that lets them play video... VBlogs are ok on that size of a screen.

[hyperpasta]

I'm really hoping for something big, but I'm prepared for new Pro machines and the 5G iPod. Don't get your hopes up too much.

[corywoolf]

I'm really hoping for something big, but I'm prepared for new Pro machines and the 5G iPod. Don't get your hopes up too much.

and thats not exciting???

[Eevee]

and thats not exciting???

That is REALLY EXCITING news to me! Can't wait till next week. :D

[Peace]

and thats not exciting???

Not exciting enough to warrent an invite only "one last thing" media event.imho

[oskar]

the part about the mac mini possibly using the intel procs sparks some interest with me.

it would make sense for them to use intel chips in the mac mini first because the average buyer af a mac mini isnt gonna be running lots of high end 3rd party software that needs to be rewritten for most performance. all they want is itunes, iphoto, safari and somewhere to save stuff...

hmmmm

im probably wrong though

I would think that is the craziest idea of heard. If there were already complainers for one reason or the other about the unannounced updates, imagine how many people would complain (even if they didn't even get one) that they or others were fooled into getting a PPC and got an Intel. Besides Intel Macs until WWDC are what is expected if everything goes well. Oh and if it were possible, Apple would have to have to have their (Pro) apps x86-ready.

[oskar]

Does anybody have a timeline of previous product announcements in "Special Events" compared to those in MWSF and WWDC?
AFAIK, the main products announced by Apple at MacWorld SF and WWDC are Macs. The special events are for things not so Mac-related are they? (iPod, iTMS, etc.)
Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

[MacQuest]

The difference will be that the iPod actually came out in 2001. ;)

We know that. I bought my iPod the 1st day it arrived at MicroCenter in November '01.

The point we're making is that you're recent post "iTunes + iPod video = stupid" is about as accurate today as all the people who said "iTunes + iPod = stupid" in 2001.

They were wrong then. You're wrong now.

Get it? Got it? Good.

[fatfish]

My guess is with an ipod Mega.

Not sure how far it will go, but I'm thinking it will be a soft version of a PDA without a physical keypad. Much the same interface and size as the current ipod, but will still hold thousands of tunes, pictures and likely short video clips with the same ease of use. Bluetooth for syncing calendars and contacts etc., USB/FW for other stuff.

imovie store is a way off and would be part of itms anyway, but short music video's, comic sketches and the like will start to become available from 10/12.

[~Shard~]

You're a good saver, or are you earning more and more...?
:)

Actually both. ;) :cool:

[DaftUnion]

While we are hibernating, let's take in some recent articles, shall we?

* * * * *

http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/oct2005/tc2005107_3021_tc024.htm

http://news.designtechnica.com/talkback35.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9597131/

Yes, I'm excited too, but I thought that'd be a good idea if it was actually possible instead of driving yourself nuts trying to figure out what this release or releases could be...some new type of iPod most def., and possibly the pro lineup? I guess we will all know soon enough what rumor sites were right on, and who were off (namely appleinsider and think secret)

[ronrosell]

Of course, nobody KNOWS what will be announced next week, but we all have our favorite wish lists.

My own hopes ... informed by some developments I've seen outside Apple ... point to a PDA device similar to a Windows Mobile PDA, but running some flavor of OS-X, with video playback capabilities (Quicktime), iTunes, integrated phone, 80GB 1.8" hard drive and the ability to operate as a "real" mac with the addition of a fold-up keyboard / trackpad.

Call it the Mac Nano.

The market for this? Mobile professionals, students other PDA users ... ME, certainly. The video capability wouldn't necessarily be for feature films ... I think SJ is correct that people don't want to watch ET on a 2" iPod screen, although they might do so on a 5" PDA during a long flight. Video playback may be useful for video podcasts, video news releases ... even video conferencing. Windows Media is loaded on many Windows PDA's ... why not Quicktime on these?

The phone would be a key application. I think that Steve's disdain for the Rokr was evident at the launch, and the market seems to be agreeing. The world doesn't need an iPod from Motorola. It DOES need a cellphone with better designed user software, something Motorola lags at. Meanwhile, the other major players (Nokia, Samsung, etc) do a better job than Moto but don't come close to Apple's understanding of user interface design. That's a key unmet need in the marketplace, and Apple has the skills to address it, I believe.

Meanwhile, which network? Some (eg. BusinessWeek) have suggested that Apple become a network reseller, much like Virgin Mobile. That's one possibility. Another likely outcome: A deal with T-mobile.

Why T-mobile? It's the third largest cellular operator worldwide, giving Apple a global market for this device. Its US network is about to be upgraded to 2.5G (EDGE) with most expecting the formal announcement within the month ... the buildout is almost complete. It's going to be looking for new EDGE-compliant devices to sell to its customers ... and it's been paring down its PDA offerings in the last few weeks. The Treo 600 (now moving to the Microsoft camp) is no longer offered on T-Mobile's consumer site, although you can get it on their business site. They never went with the more advanced Treo 650. The Siemen's Windows PDA they were selling for some time is also gone. And just this week they reduced the price of their mainstay PDA, the Blackberry 7100T, by 50%. Something new is about to show up.

I'd expect this device to support both EDGE and Wi-Fi, something T-Mobile is more likely to welcome than the other cellular operators given that T-Mobile also owns the largest commercial Wi-Fi network. Bluetooth and possibly irda seem likely as well.

But what about Cingular you say? My guess is that that was more Motorola's deal than Apple's, and I doubt very much that Apple has its hands tied. After all, Cingular also sells Sony Ericsson S710. And Cingular's notoriously poor customer service, US-only network and generally clumsy management probably give the Apple folks an unsettled feeling. T-Mobile's not perfect, but the general consensus seems to be that they're a better-run company.

We'll know soon ...

[Detlev]

Lots of people have this crazy idea that MacTels are coming sooner rather than later but didn't Steve say they were still working on some G5 projects? How upset will you be if it's just upgrades to the G5 line?

Another area to look to is/are the patent applications Apple has taken out. Is there a list somewhere we can see what crazy ideas they have patented?

Don't overlook the idea of a major software introduction. What ever happened to that math application rumor?

Maybe something really out of the box like Apple will now distribute Pixar films or the Beetles catalog will be exclusively sold via iTunes (now that would be an anouncement).

[childlost]

"One more thing" always introduced a totally new product, something that redefines a whole category: a new design (imac G5), a new range (mac mini), a new generation of processors, a totally new product (ipod).
i expect something quite big.
although nodbody has ever hinted at that recently, I expect some product in the "mini" range. the latest trend at apple is "think small". we have a macmini in the desktop range, we have a nano in the ipod range. we still don't have anything "mini" in the laptop range.
i would love some kind of "minibook". something not bigger than 10", widescreen, with integrated cam, wifi, bluetooth... a real full feature minilaptop. such a device would make much more sense than a video ipod to watch movies. it could be the video device everybody's talking about AND a new mini laptop all together, plus some truly amazing feature that only apple can come up with and we can't even imagine.

[tech4all]

Lots of people have this crazy idea that MacTels are coming sooner rather than later but didn't Steve say they were still working on some G5 projects? How upset will you be if it's just upgrades to the G5 line?

He said PowerPC stuff, so technically that can include both the G4 and G4 :)

[nichtsicher]

How about we just end all the speculation by gathering an angry mob with flame tourches and pitchforks then march to Job's house and demand answers.

[~Shard~]

He said PowerPC stuff, so technically that can include both the G4 and G4 :)

And don't forget the G4 as well. :p

Yes, Jobs only said there were some exciting PPC products in the pipeline - not necessarily G5s. So it could definitely involve the 7448 as well, and wouldn't have to solely be G5-related. :cool:

[hubbni]

Has anyone noticed that the iTMS has not posted music videos for about 2 months?! They usually posted new ones each week, and now it has been 2 months. Is this hinting that they will be charging to download them now?

[ronrosell]

How about we just end all the speculation by gathering an angry mob with flame tourches and pitchforks then march to Job's house and demand answers.

Nah, he'd just hand out Nano's at the front door and we'd all wander off giggling and chattering about what a great guy he is.

BTW, I've come up with a name for the version of OS-X to run on the new Apple PDA Phone / Mac Nano: OS-X Kitty.

[stefan15]

I think the following link is more proof than this.
http://www.apple.com/movies
Normally, links to sites that don't exist lead you to the 404 page, but this one is different.

That isn't true, it could be just in place for no reason at all. On some webservers, if you try to add anything on to the end of their URL that doesn't exist, you get a 403. Also, any specific keywords can bring up 403's as well. For example, there's QT products, Trailers, but not movies so it gives you a 403. Basically I would make absolutely nothing of it in terms of speculation re: video.

[berkleeboy210]

After watching the video clip on MSNBC from this past wednesday, they seem fairly certain that the video iPod will be released.

[longaker]

It is time....

[zpapasmurf]

After all, Cingular also sells Sony Ericsson S710. And Cingular's notoriously poor customer service, US-only network and generally clumsy management probably give the Apple folks an unsettled feeling. T-Mobile's not perfect, but the general consensus seems to be that they're a better-run company.

We'll know soon ...

Hey!?!?! whats wrong with the S710a?!?! lol i love mine.

[izzle22]

Hey!?!?! whats wrong with the S710a?!?! lol i love mine.


Yea Same Here! The S710a is the best phone on the market!!

[mongoos150]

Yea Same Here! The S710a is the best phone on the market!!

LOL - you own it so it automatically becomes the best phone on the market...

[izzle22]

LOL - you own it so it automatically becomes the best phone on the market...

LOL Back to you! Ive owned just about every cutting edge phone out(including..Nokia 6820 & Moto Razor) and settled on this phone! So There! But this would be a whole new thread.

[Xtremehkr]

It is time for a major PB update. PM as well, but the PB needs a big announcement. I am always open to other great ideas being introduced though.

[jnasato]

Apple will surprise us ALL with PowerBooks that run on 200MHz 604e processors.

Sweet.

[mainemike]

After watching the video clip on MSNBC from this past wednesday, they seem fairly certain that the video iPod will be released.

How about if the next iPod wasn't video capable...at least not yet....but able to snap digital still photos instead, perhaps even Quicktime movies - the way many cell phones can.
Would be a perfect tie-in to iPhoto as well as Quicktime.
And...oh, forget it.
The red curtains on that invitation, combined with the fact that there are no new videos on iTMS....lead me to believe that we are looking at a video iPod.
Watch the Apple U2 Special Event from last year and try to figure out how sincere Steve was with the Raiders of the Lost Ark clip.
"They're digging in the wrong hole."

[davidgilmour]

The curtain means movie.
Movie in 2005 means HD.
HD means Hgh Resolution Widescreen.

3 new PowerBooks with HD Res Widescreen and Built in Webcam/Wifi etc.


Wanna bet? :D

[spade]

Nah, he'd just hand out Nano's at the front door and we'd all wander off giggling and chattering about what a great guy he is.

BTW, I've come up with a name for the version of OS-X to run on the new Apple PDA Phone / Mac Nano: OS-X Kitty.

What's the deal with orange. I've been reading about a clue regarding orange, in which case the OSX-lite might be Tabby.

[iAlan]

Could it be the year of HD?

High Dividends? :D

Ooohhhhh, that's what HD means, now I understand The Steve's comment earlyier this year...and he was right (AAPL currently $51.30, slightly down but still worthy)

[iAlan]

While that is how a lot of products like CDs and software are delivered, I don't think Apple does this. If it did then all the Apple Stores would have had the nano in stock the day of the announcement. I think only the SF store had them and those were delivered during the announcement. All the other stores were delayed 1-3 days. In fact, I called up the local store after Jobs said they were available immediately and the guys there thought I was from Mars. They never heard of an iPod nano.

Get this, the Shibuya Apple Store had heaps of them, and yes the outerboxes containing the little black 'nano boxes were standard brown cardboard boxes. I know cause the store staff were handing out 'nanos to customers directly from the boxes!

And this was the morning right after teh announcement ( about 6 hours after the announcement give or take time differences)

[iAlan]

The invite has curtains which appear to be the type that cover a movie screen or stage.

This almost postively has to do with video,

Not really, you did say movie screen or stage so maybe it is the iBroadway - 1,000 broadway plays in your pocket
:p

[iAlan]

BTW, I've come up with a name for the version of OS-X to run on the new Apple PDA Phone / Mac Nano: OS-X Kitty.

More like OSX ***** (the ***** represents another word for kitten or cat, you figure it out :confused: )

But a tablet like devise is something i mentioned in one of the other 200 related threads on nexts announcement.

The devise could be portable and dock with a monitor/screen. I think this would be great, but could Apple apply the 'iPod' name to it? They did the 'schuffle but it was not very iPod looking, the 'mini was a deviation on the iPod form factor and the 'nano is several Dawinian steps up the iPod evolution ladder, so sure, Apple could apply iPod to this device if they wanted to.

Edit: and sorry for the 4 posts in a row, they were all responses to other posters. I guess the rest of the world is sleeping, it is 4.30 pm here in Tokyo and i was bored so off to MR i went...

[mongoos150]

The S710a is a pretty cool phone but the service is HORRID. Honestly - Cingular can't hold a candle to Verizon (in nearly ALL US areas). After using both I'd definately take the Moto E815. Back to the matters at hand...

PLEASE PB PLEASE PB PLEASE PB!

[Tupring]

So you actually think the original idea of the iPod is stupid? Hence the reason for circa 2001. Everyone said it was stupid. Everyone said it would flop. Everyone said Apple should stick with what they know. Everyone was dead wrong.I'm very glad that they did stick with what they know. They knew that the iPod would be huge! I sure wish it was around about ten years ago when I really needed it.

[Tupring]

Until you are connected to your TV and able to store video files, there will be no Video iPod except in the hopeful minds of nerds.My Macs have been connected to my TV for years now… and my movies are stored on my Hard Drive temporarily until I burn them to CD. Bring on the iPod Video…

[Tupring]

Give me a break. Sensory experience? :D that actually was funny. Have you actually ever used a PMP before? If not then you have NO frame of reference to use. The simple fact is that you and no one else knows what the general public wants because no one has produced a PMP on a level that Apple could. So please take the sensory experience and use it on someone else. This device wouldn't be intended for home viewing. Its intended for on the go access to your media. Not just music. Not just photos. Everything. And if Apple doesn't want to market this its fine. They will loose out on the next generation of media distribution. watching a TV show on a small screen is perfectly acceptable experience. No it’s not like a 40" widescreen plasma HDTV at home but its not intended to be. No it’s not like lugging around a 17" laptop but it’s not intended to be. You are putting too much thought into this device. You can have quality without needing a huge *** screen. What is it with people thinking you need a screen to cover your vision’s field of view to make it some uber experience. You don’t. There is a certain size that is minimum for an adequate viewing experience and that screen size CAN be put into an iPod without making it drastically large. Larger yes. But still small enough to be pocketable. I still think we are going to at some point see the following lineup:

iPod video $500

iPod $400-$300

iPod Nano $250-$199

iPod shuffle $129-$99

There is NO reason why a video couldn’t be the top of the line iPod. Apple did it last year with the Photo.
Well no reason other then people’s insane notions that it can’t happen “because” its just not good enough. Take a look at the iTMS and their 128KB/s, low res coverart as a idea of where good enough for Apple is right now.Very nice comment here, about the Screen size thing. Just look at the Sony Watchman. Many of them were only two inches. There was even a wristwatch TV. AFAIK, Sony still makes the Watchman.

[steve_hill4]

I'm very glad that they did stick with what they know. They knew that the iPod would be huge! I sure wish it was around about ten years ago when I really needed it.
What amuses me about all those critics from 2001 is their statements about 20GB models being out there and, even if they are bigger, they can store much more than the iPod. Now we see those same manufacturers' mainstream models, (i.e. the ones that sell the most), all still being around the 20GB mark. Four years later and apple could be bringing out a 80GB model, video or not.

While there are larger capacity mp3 players out there already, few of the competition manage to sell those above the 20GB mark, so apple has effectively cornered the market above that size. They still also outstrip their rivals on the smaller capacity, (nano/mini sized and capacity), but with lots of cheaper models knocking around, less so i'd say.

So often do I also hear a group of people ask if the iPods have radios like Creative do, when they find out they don't, half decide not to bother or go with one that does, half are so determined to have one they convince themselves a radio isn't important anyway. Either way, apple quite clearly has a winner despite those assurances from others four years ago.

[steve_hill4]

I think SiliconAddict has it there, if people are happy enough to listen to lower quality music, why not watch lower quality video? Okay, we all want the best quality video there is, but on a screen that size it isn't an issue.

Taking a seperate issue though, with all these speculations on wild things it might be other than an iPod AV, (still the coolest sounding name I think), any more news on the development of iWork? Is it still coming along nicely and becoming a serious contender to the use of Office for Mac? It would be nice if Steve could announce one or two enhancements between now and June and then when the first Macintels come along, really bill it up as the Mac Office package. That way the average people that are likely to be buying Mac Minis and such would be able to see that the Macs are different to PCs in more than just the operating system. So many still need the hardware differences explained to them and when you have the same processor in each, they could see a different design, different OS and think that it isn't worth the extra money. I'd like to see more apple products aimed at the average consumer, without affecting their core market at the moment.

[applemax]

Now, here is what I think will happen:

You know the ROKR? "The ROKR with iTunes"

I think that the iPod will either have a mini iTunes client that looks like the current mac iTunes 5 or it will stay the same and have iTunes on the top. Thus becoming iPod with iTunes.

Steve will do his normal Keynote telling us the market share and stuff about iPod. Then I think he will release eithere an update to a mac or a new mac completely. Then he'l say "Thanks for coming everyone but there is one more thing..." That will keep up to the event's name. Some red curtains will appear on the projection screen. They open and the iPod 5G/iPod video/Airport HD/iSight HD (sorry but the quality on my iSight is not HD!!! :eek: ) . Then a live iSight link will be established to the BBC so they can talk about their content (Little Britain and Spooks on an iPod will rule!!! :D ). Then, to keep up with the 'Music Event' trend, some rubbish rapper with strong feelings about world leaders will come on and will basically destroy all your excitement for the whole event. i.e. Kanye West.

As I'm from England,


That's my £0.02 :p

[steve_hill4]

Now, here is what I think will happen:

You know the ROKR? "The ROKR with iTunes"

I think that the iPod will either have a mini iTunes client that looks like the current mac iTunes 5 or it will stay the same and have iTunes on the top. Thus becoming iPod with iTunes.

Steve will do his normal Keynote telling us the market share and stuff about iPod. Then I think he will release eithere an update to a mac or a new mac completely. Then he'l say "Thanks for coming everyone but there is one more thing..." That will keep up to the event's name. Some red curtains will appear on the projection screen. They open and the iPod 5G/iPod video/Airport HD/iSight HD (sorry but the quality on my iSight is not HD!!! :eek: ) . Then a live iSight link will be established to the BBC so they can talk about their content (Little Britain and Spooks on an iPod will rule!!! :D ). Then, to keep up with the 'Music Event' trend, some rubbish rapper with strong feelings about world leaders will come on and will basically destroy all your excitement for the whole event. i.e. Kanye West.

As I'm from England,


That's my £0.02 :p
Yes, the BBC do seem to be in on this one, even apparently letting slip to some that the Video iPod will be announced. Also fits that they are just starting trials of allowing us to watch delayed Tv over their website for up to seven days after broadcast. they have been really enthusiastic about podcasting, so perhaps they are looking to link up with apple to allow the downloading of low quality video for up to 7 days after broadcast, (high quality wouldn't make sense with their DVD sales, unless of course they were wanting us to pay a small amount for it :eek: ).

[themacman]

The curtain means movie.
Movie in 2005 means HD.
HD means Hgh Resolution Widescreen.

3 new PowerBooks with HD Res Widescreen and Built in Webcam/Wifi etc.

Wanna bet? :D
3 new PowerBooks with HD Res Widescreen and Built in Webcam/Wifi etc.
i dont think the built in webcam will be party of the rev. Thinking there saving it for intel. They ahve to make their first intel machine amazing to keep up with the makret.

[ronrosell]

Yea Same Here! The S710a is the best phone on the market!!

I didn't say there was anything wrong with the S710A. I don't have an opinion on it.

I'm just pointing out that, if Cingular isn't bound by any exclusive agreement to offer only the Rokr as a phone that can play MP3s (beyond the common ringtone feature), then Apple most likely isn't bound to any exclusivity with Cingular. Consequently, if they wanted to team up with another network (eg. T-mobile) to introduce an Apple-designed phone, they could do so.

[Jo-Kun]

Apple Mac mini HomeTheatre...

mac mini with HDMI output (HD... I mean it's the year of HD but nothing spectacular had made an appearance) TV tuner/recorder nice Surround speakers (maybe Wireless)

the cheapest mac got BIG ;-)

but that's just me thinking.

Video iPod, not something I'm waiting for... nor is apple I guess... or they have to team up with SONY to make an iPod wich works like the PSP but lacks the game features but is all about music & video... looks 'the apple way' thus reads allso the VIDEO disks they sell for the PSP...

but I don't think indeed it will all be about updates to existing systems...

something new? iAirbubble... a product nobody needs, that has no use but everybody wants???
just kidding ;-)

[thejadedmonkey]

I think SiliconAddict has it there, if people are happy enough to listen to lower quality music, why not watch lower quality video? Okay, we all want the best quality video there is, but on a screen that size it isn't an issue.

Taking a seperate issue though, with all these speculations on wild things it might be other than an iPod AV, (still the coolest sounding name I think), any more news on the development of iWork? Is it still coming along nicely and becoming a serious contender to the use of Office for Mac? It would be nice if Steve could announce one or two enhancements between now and June and then when the first Macintels come along, really bill it up as the Mac Office package. That way the average people that are likely to be buying Mac Minis and such would be able to see that the Macs are different to PCs in more than just the operating system. So many still need the hardware differences explained to them and when you have the same processor in each, they could see a different design, different OS and think that it isn't worth the extra money. I'd like to see more apple products aimed at the average consumer, without affecting their core market at the moment.

Someone was saying somewhere that the Apple equivalent of Excel is comming out sooner (rather than later)

[Mr Maui]

I think ...



Oh, what's the use ...


I'll just wait ... um ... pat ... [sweat] ... patient ... [twitch] ... er ... um ... patiently ... [whew, said it so I know I can do it] ... 4 days, 2 hours, 35 minutes, 37 seconds for the event and then enjoy it calmly with the rest of the world.

I'm not really [4 days, 2 hours, 35 minutes, 13 seconds] anxious or in a hurry [4 days, 2 hours, 35 minutes, 2 seconds] for anything new from Apple right now anyway, as I'm sure [4 days, 2 hours, 34 minutes, 47 seconds] their timing will be close to perfect ... as usual. [4 days, 2 hours, 34 minutes, 33 seconds]

Breathe ... breathe ... inhale ... exhale ...

:D

[Mr Maui]

something new? iAirbubble... a product nobody needs, that has no use but everybody wants???
just kidding ;-)
Sounds like a jealous PC holdout ... trying not to convert. ;)

[sbrhwkp3]

I don't know if anyone has said this already but if apple were to release a new iPod this close to the release date of the nano, wouldn't it be MORE likely to be an iPod video? A new iPod without video capabilities would have a price point close enough to the nano that some people would say,"I can spend a little more on the regular iPod and get more out of it." We all know that if apple is going to release a video iPod, it isn't going to be cheap (the photo when it first came out was 499 wasn't it?)

I just don't understand why apple would be releasing another music player without it being able to do something different than the nano, such as playing videos. I'm sure that if it is a video iPod, it will have a lot more features than any of us are anticipating that make it worth while...

[ronrosell]

I don't know if anyone has said this already but if apple were to release a new iPod this close to the release date of the nano, wouldn't it be MORE likely to be an iPod video? A new iPod without video capabilities would have a price point close enough to the nano that some people would say,"I can spend a little more on the regular iPod and get more out of it." We all know that if apple is going to release a video iPod, it isn't going to be cheap (the photo when it first came out was 499 wasn't it?)

I just don't understand why apple would be releasing another music player without it being able to do something different than the nano, such as playing videos. I'm sure that if it is a video iPod, it will have a lot more features than any of us are anticipating that make it worth while...


You're right. Moreover, SJ's repeated refrain that video on such a small screen won't sell also makes sense to me. That's why it's not going to be an iPod. It's going to be a new kind of device altogether, with video capabilities (remember, it's the year of HD).

My vote still goes for a Phone/PDA/Mac Nano ... something roughly the size of an iPaq, running a version of OS-X, with an integrated PHONE, touch screen and, for those times when you need it, the ability to interface with a little fold-up wireless keyboard, like those available for other PDAs.

The killer app here wouldn't be the video ... although it would have a screen large enough to watch a movie on a flight, or perhaps to have a video conference (built-in video camera would be nifty.) The killer app would be the phone. Phone software out there is generally pretty awful. Much as Apple set the gold standard for MP3 players and jukeboxes with the iPod and iTunes and shook up a market rife with poor designs, they may decide to do the same thing with cellphones.

Incidentally, that's my biggest issue with the Rokr. It's not that it's ugly or a candy-bar phone (although those are both drawbacks in my view. I hate to have to lock/unlock keypads). Rather, it's the Motorola phone software interface that kills it.

[HasanDaddy]

The curtain means movie.
Movie in 2005 means HD.
HD means Hgh Resolution Widescreen.

3 new PowerBooks with HD Res Widescreen and Built in Webcam/Wifi etc.


Wanna bet? :D

that's a pretty damn good guess

I'm looking forward to the 12th!

[EricNau]

Originally Posted by davidgilmour
The curtain means movie.
Movie in 2005 means HD.
HD means Hgh Resolution Widescreen.

3 new PowerBooks with HD Res Widescreen and Built in Webcam/Wifi etc.


Wanna bet?
Someone asked this question...
"What do people usually hide things behind...a red curtain perhaps?"
I'm not saying it won't be a iPod movie, but I dont think the red curtain may be a hint. Now a projector...that would of been a give-away!

[beachboy89]

I am a huge mac fan, and all I have to say is that there better be a video playing device. How cool would it be to watch music videos on you're ipod, than if you want, plug it into you're tv. This will be a great product for amature movie makers, and would be a huge hit this xmas. And what would be extremly awesome would be the ablility to watch family guy on my ipod!! :D

[gugy]

I would love to have a DVR/IHome device that could do the following:

•the device is Wireless, so I can download my songs from my computer using itunes and wirelessly send it to the device that's connect to my stereo and TV. The device then store it's information on the HD.
• do the same for videos and movies. In Hi-Def if required.
• the device has a DVR, I can make schedules of the shows on my computer (using a new software develop by Apple) that I want to record and wirelessly send it to the appliance HD.
• Huge hard drive so I can store all my songs, videos and photos.

I think will be better to have a mac computer programming such device wirelessly. So I could use my Itunes, maybe tv/movies store to purchase and download content and then wirelessly transfer these data to the device HD.

That way this device could be simple and small like the minimac have all the connections to plug into your stereo and tv. Who knows, maybe you could connect your laserdisc, dvd, cd player etc. all into this thing. So it would be the heart of your digital entertainment system. And the best of all you would have total control using your Mac. That would be very cool.

[strummert]

I want a new ibook 12" with is faster, has a built in cam, 1gig ram, and an intel processor.
Please make it happen. Now I think I'll wait till june to buy a mac :( Oh no, my XP tells me I've a virus... It isn't possible. Everyday the same.

[CubaTBird]

one more thing...

steve jobs is announcing his retirement and apple is now being bought out by microsoft chairman bill gates in a sublateral move. :eek:

[mongoos150]

I want a new ibook 12" with is faster, has a built in cam, 1gig ram, and an intel processor.
Please make it happen. Now I think I'll wait till june to buy a mac :( Oh no, my XP tells me I've a virus... It isn't possible. Everyday the same.

Built in camera? Iew. Sony did that a while ago and was a total bomb...Apple isn't a camera maker and would have a hard time competing with image qualities of camera makers (canon, nikon) that have been in the business for decades. Let Apple stick to making computers and we'll buy our own cameras. :cool:

[aswitcher]

If they bring out a video iPod then I hope they also bring out a new iSight cable of better resolution, wide angle, better low light etc for making Vpodcasts.

[strummert]

why should apple propose a new ibook? they updated it not long ago. who needs a new ipod. I'm waiting for sth special, nothing to do with what we have sod before.
isomething

[strummert]

oh I have seen something on the internet I shoudn't :)

[drewyboy]

oh I have seen something on the internet I shoudn't :)

Ya right you have... I bet you, that you haven't, so proove it and tell us!!!! I double dog dare you!!!

[moppie2005]

Let's just say that if the ipod video is not released on the 12th, then I'm afraid I might fall prey to the Zen Vision:

http://www.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=210&subcategory=211&product=12985

It looks very nice!! *runs away for fear of mac people bashing*

[thejadedmonkey]

Let's just say that if the ipod video is not released on the 12th, then I'm afraid I might fall prey to the Zen Vision:

http://www.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=210&subcategory=211&product=12985

It looks very nice!! *runs away for fear of mac people bashing*
Ipod wannabe with fugly controls and a wider screen. that's all..GUI looks the same though

[Ghibli]

I was looking through the localized italian version of iTunes (5.0.1) and I found something that suggest a video capable iPod (or at least a video service from ITMS. this is the string (as found in localized.src)

Advanced General Preferences
Setup Goto Store Add Video Buy Video
Gift Video Gift Work Gift Book
Gift Album Gift Song
Gift Pre-Order

Something big is around the corner...

Ghibli

[aswitcher]

I was looking through the localized italian version of iTunes (5.0.1) and I found something that suggest a video capable iPod (or at least a video service from ITMS. this is the string (as found in localized.src)

Advanced General Preferences
Setup Goto Store Add Video Buy Video
Gift Video Gift Work Gift Book
Gift Album Gift Song
Gift Pre-Order

Something big is around the corner...

Ghibli

There has been a bit of speculation about this being just for music videos.

[wala]

Maybe the iPod Video will be optimized for music videos? What else are you gonna watch while listening to 1000 songs in your pocket?

[Shattering Fast]

Even after months of speculation, I don't think anyone will predict the new products accurately. I'm beginning to doubt there will be a video dedicated or branded iPod.

[Prez1082]

I didn't say there was anything wrong with the S710A. I don't have an opinion on it.

I'm just pointing out that, if Cingular isn't bound by any exclusive agreement to offer only the Rokr as a phone that can play MP3s (beyond the common ringtone feature), then Apple most likely isn't bound to any exclusivity with Cingular. Consequently, if they wanted to team up with another network (eg. T-mobile) to introduce an Apple-designed phone, they could do so.

What's interesting about this is Cingular is bound by agreement with Motorola and Apple. The ROKR phone is the only phone allowed to be marketed as an MP3 phone until feb/march...Sony Ericsson has an MP3 phone coming out via Cingular (W600) however it is not allowed to be marketed as music... interesting huh

[podfuture]

Even after months of speculation, I don't think anyone will predict the new products accurately. I'm beginning to doubt there will be a video dedicated or branded iPod.


Exactly. This is why we all vent our guesses all over the web.
Hope all coming posts on this topic are 5 lines or less. Sore eyes!

Not much sand in the glass... next week coming fast. Enjoy your Video iPods.

[ronrosell]

What's interesting about this is Cingular is bound by agreement with Motorola and Apple. The ROKR phone is the only phone allowed to be marketed as an MP3 phone until feb/march...Sony Ericsson has an MP3 phone coming out via Cingular (W600) however it is not allowed to be marketed as music... interesting huh

Where do find this agreement about Cingular not being able to market a competing MP3 phone? They already market the Sony Ericsson S710

See: http://onlinestorez.cingular.com/cell-phone-service/cell-phones/phonedetails.jsp?id=cdsku9870029

Among the phone's features (and this is from the Cingular website):
"MP3 Player (32MB Sony Memory Stick Duo(TM), Card Adapter, Memory Stick Reader and Stereo Headset Included)"

Not a great MP3 player, perhaps, but it works.

Cingular also markets the Audiovox SMT 5600 Smartphone, with "Windows Media® Player 10 for playing music and video." Again, this is from Cingular's website.

Sounds like marketing to me! There are one or two other examples, but you see my point (I hope).

[EricNau]

I just re-watched on of the Apple Keynotes/Special Events, whatever it was when the released the iPod Photo. Steve Jobs said he didn't really believe the the iPod wannabes, they just didn't work. They were too big to fit in your pocket, yet too small to really enjoy watching a movie on. So why would Apple come out with one, they just don't make that much sense.

[1984]

I just re-watched on of the Apple Keynotes/Special Events, whatever it was when the released the iPod Photo. Steve Jobs said he didn't really believe the the iPod wannabes, they just didn't work. They were too big to fit in your pocket, yet too small to really enjoy watching a movie on. So why would Apple come out with one, they just don't make that much sense.

He said the same thing about flash MP3 players when he introduced the iPod mini. What he means is, the wannabes haven't done it right but Apple will.

[R0bert]

It's real, Mac Cinema HD with Intel Viiv technology and iTunes Movie store. It will be shown at CES, January 5-8, Las Vegas and at MacWorld, January 9-13, San Francisco.

http://img317.imageshack.us/img317/655/maccinema4lx.jpg

[MarcelV]

I just re-watched on of the Apple Keynotes/Special Events, whatever it was when the released the iPod Photo. Steve Jobs said he didn't really believe the the iPod wannabes, they just didn't work. They were too big to fit in your pocket, yet too small to really enjoy watching a movie on. So why would Apple come out with one, they just don't make that much sense.

During the iPod photo launch he stated that video didn't make sense because of lack of content. Everyone had photo's and no need to worry about copyright infringments. This implies that when video content would be available, a video Pod will make sense.....
A vpod may will have a larger screen, a la PSP. Who knows? It doesn't necessarily have to have the same size as just the audio player. They may not sell as many of those, but by launching it, it would have the same effect as Apple created with the launch of the nano. Instant marketshare ownership and hard for others to break into (that market). It's all about marketshare. Apple learned from the 80's in that respect.

[strummert]

is there any widget of macrumors for konfabulator

[strummert]

yesterday I wanted to buy an ibook. The seller told me that mac's aren't good anough. For the same price I would find better pcs. I specify that he sells macs and pcs, so he gains the same money by selling pcs or macs!! Why do they tell me always to buy a pc instead of a mac?

[Chupa Chupa]

yesterday I wanted to buy an ibook. The seller told me that mac's aren't good anough. For the same price I would find better pcs. I specify that he sells macs and pcs, so he gains the same money by selling pcs or macs!! Why do they tell me always to buy a pc instead of a mac?


Actually stores probably make more $ off Macs since they have a bigger profit margin. Most store clerks don't know anything about Macs thus they push what the know.

[jimN]

From today's News of the World:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/21727901@N00/

Not my photos

[applemax]

From today's News of the World:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/21727901@N00/

Not my photos

...They're mine... :D

(No seriously, they are)

[abhishake]

Actually stores probably make more $ off Macs since they have a bigger profit margin. Most store clerks don't know anything about Macs thus they push what the know.

They have a bigger profit margin than PCs? Are you serious? I didn't know that at all. I would think that it's the other way around, since PC components are cheap.

Dealing with the guy, there could be several issues, but Macs are better than PCs. I'm not just saying that because I'm obsessed with Apple, I'm saying it because I used to use PCs and still do. You just have a different feel when using a Mac, the aesthetic beauty of it and the simplicity. I mean, PCs cannot beat that.

[abhishake]

...They're mine... :D

(No seriously, they are)

Where'd you get the photos from? Did you make them?

[applemax]

Where'd you get the photos from? Did you make them?

They were in a UK newspaper

[MacSA]

That looks exactly like the mock up somebody on these forums made. ;)

[LuvAussies]

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/

It's not on their online edition, and this looks like a tabloid to me.

Someone from these forums probably sent it to them.

[Mr Maui]

They were in a UK newspaper
Looks just like it came out of the National Enquirer or Star. The next page probably talks about the alien baby found left in plastic grovery bag at a local Denny's Restaurant at 2 a.m. just outside of Paducah last Thursday. It was found by a homeless, relocated New Orleans resident along with a simultaneously discarded winning Powerball ticket. Now the very wealthy Paducah resident is adopting the alien and living a full and happy life.

Edit: Note how the REALLY BIZARRE story made the front page.

[applemax]

Looks just like it came out of the National Enquirer or Star. The next page probably talks about the alien baby found left in plastic grovery bag at a local Denny's Restaurant at 2 a.m. in just outside of Paducah last Thursday.

lol. Close. The next page is a full length feature of the new Wallace and Gromit movie with a competition to win a meal of Cheese and Crackers with creator, Nick Park. :eek: What's more believable: iPod video or Cheese and crackers with a film producer. In this case, probably the latter. :p

[Prez1082]

Where do find this agreement about Cingular not being able to market a competing MP3 phone? They already market the Sony Ericsson S710

See: http://onlinestorez.cingular.com/cell-phone-service/cell-phones/phonedetails.jsp?id=cdsku9870029

Among the phone's features (and this is from the Cingular website):
"MP3 Player (32MB Sony Memory Stick Duo(TM), Card Adapter, Memory Stick Reader and Stereo Headset Included)"

Not a great MP3 player, perhaps, but it works.

Cingular also markets the Audiovox SMT 5600 Smartphone, with "Windows Media® Player 10 for playing music and video." Again, this is from Cingular's website.

Sounds like marketing to me! There are one or two other examples, but you see my point (I hope).

That is not marketing...but rather listing a feature of the phone...When you go into a store you will not see any mentions of music, IE POS items dedicated to music except for the iTunes phone.

[thejadedmonkey]

true dat. if you look here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/21727901@N00/50751766/ , you'll see that right to the left of the M in Movies, the screen doesnt line up. It's a good edit job though...I wouldnt be surprised if apple is leaking this stuff to throw us all off.

[Mr Maui]

true dat. if you look here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/21727901@N00/50751766/ , you'll see that right to the left of the M in Movies, the screen doesnt line up. It's a good edit job though...I wouldnt be surprised if apple is leaking this stuff to throw us all off.
Good catch. I work in graphics, but glanced at the shot so quickly (discarding it) that I missed that one.

[applemax]

If anyone wants any specific shots of this picture or article, please PM me or post in this thread.

[Peace]

It's real, Mac Cinema HD with Intel Viiv technology and iTunes Movie store. It will be shown at CES, January 5-8, Las Vegas and at MacWorld, January 9-13, San Francisco.

http://img317.imageshack.us/img317/655/maccinema4lx.jpg

Good job on covering yourself on the Apple logo!
At least all this speculation is bringing the creativity out in some people ;)

[dwwd]

This newspaper pic is so fake... apple would never make an iPod video this big. Its so big! its almost the size of a pda... of ... of an apple pda... hell... its as big as a Newton PDA!

[steve_hill4]

true dat. if you look here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/21727901@N00/50751766/ , you'll see that right to the left of the M in Movies, the screen doesnt line up. It's a good edit job though...I wouldnt be surprised if apple is leaking this stuff to throw us all off.
Also, if you look at that screen, it just looks like a piece of thin printed plastic, there is no gap between the casing and where the screen would be. Look at the colour screened iPod alongside it to see what I mean, (thin black outline), or here (http://library.foofshop.com/foofinaphoto.jpg) as another example. That screen looks too perfect, (printed), and too close to the outer casing.

[steve_hill4]

Good job on covering yourself on the Apple logo!
At least all this speculation is bringing the creativity out in some people ;)
Nice recycling of a G4 base too. While I always liked the G4s, I can't really see apple going back in terms of design, they like to come up with something new all the time.

[Jo-Kun]

Sounds like a jealous PC holdout ... trying not to convert. ;)


don't get me wrong I love Apple, Hate Windows.. it will take a lot to convince me to go back to the dark side...
but wish apple would be focusing more on computers instead of all things iPod...

I mean if they will not focus on computers and that will get a lag... people will no longer buy them (at least people who need the high end systems...) and apple will become an iPod selling company who has some computers on the side to give someone something to go with their iPod...

[~Shard~]

It's real, Mac Cinema HD with Intel Viiv technology and iTunes Movie store. It will be shown at CES, January 5-8, Las Vegas and at MacWorld, January 9-13, San Francisco.


Good mock-up, but I doubt in this day and age Apple would go back to using a tray drive for the DVD! :p

Nice try though....

[Peace]

don't get me wrong I love Apple, Hate Windows.. it will take a lot to convince me to go back to the dark side...
but wish apple would be focusing more on computers instead of all things iPod...

I mean if they will not focus on computers and that will get a lag... people will no longer buy them (at least people who need the high end systems...) and apple will become an iPod selling company who has some computers on the side to give someone something to go with their iPod...

Have you heard about the transition to Intel ?

[steve_hill4]

Good mock-up, but I doubt in this day and age Apple would go back to using a tray drive for the DVD! :p

Nice try though....
Are you suggesting that the next PowerMac will also be slot-loading. :eek:

[~Shard~]

Are you suggesting that the next PowerMac will also be slot-loading. :eek:

Of course! ;)

(You did realize that was part of the reason I made that comment, right? :p)

[dwwd]

If I dont get news till dusk I'll really be pissed of with Mr. Steve... he'll ruin my Kol Nidre. There is no way I can concentrate on praying with "one more thing" on my head.

I wish an easy Yom Kipur for all the jewish readers of this forum :-) with plenty of good news...

[Jo-Kun]

Have you heard about the transition to Intel ?


intel is not the dark side for me, Windows is... ;-) it's still OSX wich will be running on it & that's the reason for using Apple...

[applemax]

2006: Apple switches to Intel. Leopard comes out.
2007: All Apple's are now Intel based.
2008: Apple dropps support for PowerPC users. No PowerPC software made anymore.
2009: Mac OS X 10.6 Lynx is released. Intel only
2010: Steve retires
2011: Intel buys out Apple
2012: iPod trademark sold to Creative technologies
2013: Macs switch to Windows OS
2014: Intel sells Apple to Dell.
2015: Power Mac XPS and PowerBook Inspiron are released on Windows 2014
2016: Creative release iPod micro 2 and zenPod
2017: Apple goes bankrupt
2018: Apple is liquidated.

:p

This is what Intel has done for Apple

[steve_hill4]

Of course! ;)

(You did realize that was part of the reason I made that comment, right? :p)
Ahh, but that depends on whether they add Blu-Ray drives to the next PowerMacs and, if they do, whether they will take the cartridge based BD too. If so, it could mean no slot-loading bluperdrive for the time being at least. :(

[steve_hill4]

2006: Apple switches to Intel
2007: All Apple's are now Intel based. Leopard comes out.
2008: Apple dropps support for PowerPC users. No PowerPC software made anymore.
2009: Mac OS X 10.6 Lion is released. Intel only
For starters, isn't Leopard due for mid 2006? Also, Lion will not be 10.6, apple have already taken trademarks for the names Lynx and Cougar. They will surely come before Lion and they might even leave it for 10.9, using another one for 10.8.

[applemax]

For starters, isn't Leopard due for mid 2006? Also, Lion will not be 10.6, apple have already taken trademarks for the names Lynx and Cougar. They will surely come before Lion and they might even leave it for 10.9, using another one for 10.8.

OK, Ok, Corrected. It's a rough guide from me about what could happen and what probably will happen

[ronrosell]

That is not marketing...but rather listing a feature of the phone...When you go into a store you will not see any mentions of music, IE POS items dedicated to music except for the iTunes phone.


Seems to me you're splitting hairs. If Cingular says, about three phones (not counting the Rokr), on their website that they're "MP3 players," and even go so far as to talk about the stereo headphones that comes with one of them, then they're marketing MP3 players. The fact that they don't have cardboard displays in the stores saying "MP3 Players This Way" doesn't mean that they're abiding by this purported agreement you've cited not to market any MP3-player phones other than the Rokr.

I still don't think such an agreement exists, and if it did, Cingular would already be in flagrant violation of it.

Heck, one of those phones (again, not the Rokr) is even made by Motorola.

[abhishake]

Seems to me you're splitting hairs. If Cingular says, about three phones (not counting the Rokr), on their website that they're "MP3 players," and even go so far as to talk about the stereo headphones that comes with one of them, then they're marketing MP3 players. The fact that they don't have cardboard displays in the stores saying "MP3 Players This Way" doesn't mean that they're abiding by this purported agreement you've cited not to market any MP3-player phones other than the Rokr.

I still don't think such an agreement exists, and if it did, Cingular would already be in flagrant violation of it.

Heck, one of those phones (again, not the Rokr) is even made by Motorola.

I think in this case it means ADVERTISING. They aren't going out of their way, such as TV commercials, and other forms of advertising to promote the other mp3 player phones.

Though I haven't seen this "agreement," I don't think that the other guy's making it up out of thin air.

[ronrosell]

I think in this case it means ADVERTISING. They aren't going out of their way, such as TV commercials, and other forms of advertising to promote the other mp3 player phones.

Though I haven't seen this "agreement," I don't think that the other guy's making it up out of thin air.

That may be ... the original assertion was that Cingular was bound by an agreement not to "market" another MP3 cellphone, and the fact that there are several such phones on their web site, describing their features, their capabilities as MP3 players, and their prices should constitute "marketing" by anyone's definition.

There might be an agreement not to run commercials on the air or in magazines promoting these phones; then again, I haven't seen Cingular run commercials promoting any specific phones recently other than the Rokr. Personally, the only place I've heard of such an agreement is in this forum. As for "making it up out of thin air," I really have no idea. The original poster does not identify his source or his position to know about it (eg: marketing executive at Cingular.)

Taking this back to my original statement, it was that the deal between Apple, Motorola and Cingular to promote the Rokr would not appear to preclude Apple striking deals with another carrier (except, perhaps, with specific regard to the Rokr), the reason being that Cingular and Motorola are both marketing (meaning promoting and selling) other phones with MP3 player capabilities. I can't see Apple agreeing to have their hands tied on this when their partners are not similarly bound.

[R0bert]

No video iPod, instead the event on wednesday will be about music. Apple Corp. (the record company) and Apple have settled outside of court and The Beatles catalog will finally be available on iTunes. There will be performances by Paul McCartney and others. The only new product at the event will be a Beatles branded iPod.

This information comes as an advertising firm mistakenly put up ads before the announcement.

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/3773/beatlesitunes1un.jpg

[Peace]

No video iPod, instead the event on wednesday will be about music. Apple Corp. (the record company) and Apple have settled outside of court and The Beatles catalog will finally be available on iTunes. There will be performances by Paul McCartney and others. The only new product at the event will be a Beatles branded iPod.

This information comes as an advertising firm mistakenly put up ads before the announcement.

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/3773/beatlesitunes1un.jpg

Someone needs to learn how to do fill-in colors better ;)

[~Shard~]

Ahh, but that depends on whether they add Blu-Ray drives to the next PowerMacs and, if they do, whether they will take the cartridge based BD too. If so, it could mean no slot-loading bluperdrive for the time being at least. :(

Very good point - guess we'll see... :)

[~Shard~]

No video iPod, instead the event on wednesday will be about music. Apple Corp. (the record company) and Apple have settled outside of court and The Beatles catalog will finally be available on iTunes. There will be performances by Paul McCartney and others. The only new product at the event will be a Beatles branded iPod.

This information comes as an advertising firm mistakenly put up ads before the announcement.

Good effort, but you need to work on your Photoshop skills some more. But hey, practice makes perfect, so keep trying!

And don't get me wrong, posting silly mock-ups is fine here on MacRumors, just as long as you don't try to insult anyone's intelligence by suggesting they are real. :p ;) :cool:

[al3000]

Someone needs to learn how to do fill-in colors better ;)


And spelling ;) . Nice job though R0bert :)

[~Shard~]

And spelling ;) . Nice job though R0bert :)

Ah yes, "exclusively" is spelled incorrectly - good catch!

[AvSRoCkCO1067]

Ah yes, "exclusively" is spelled incorrectly - good catch!

Maybe Apple spelt it wrong on their billboard....JOKING!

[R0bert]

Update, due to some advertising glitch the event has been cancelled and postponed indefinitely.

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/4762/beatlesitunesupdate5ku.jpg

[strummert]

WE HAVE TO SWITCH TO PC. See this movie and know why.
http://www.wickedlysmart.com/skyler/SkylerSwticherQT2.mov

[beachboy89]

I bet on the 12 hes gonna say how the nano sales are and how well itunes is doing. Than he is gonna bring up his comment and maybe show a clip from the special event last year(ipod photo and socks) than hes gonna say ooops I lied and introduce the ipod video.
sneaky sneaky :D