Two New iPods, Four New Mac Configurations

[MacRumors]

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Filling in more details of the October 12th announcement, ThinkSecret reports (http://www.thinksecret.com/news/0510oct12c.html) that two new iPods will be introduced on October 12th.

The new two iPod models will reportedly replace the current $299 and $399 models and be sold at the same price. The iPods are expected to be bumped to 40GB and 80GB capacities with slightly smaller form factors and offer two different colors (Black and White).

ThinkSecret also notes that "at least four new Mac configurations" will be released on Wednesday, but no further details are available.

[berkleeboy210]

It's gunna be more than this........... no doubt about it...............

[stridey]

Christ, the invitations said "One more thing," not six more things! :D

[Dunepilot]

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Filling in more details of the October 12th announcement, ThinkSecret reports (http://www.thinksecret.com/news/0510oct12c.html) that two new iPods will be introduced on October 12th.

The new two iPod models will reportedly replace the current $299 and $399 models and be sold at the same price. The iPods are expected to be bumped to 40GB and 80GB capacities with slightly smaller form factors and offer two different colors (Black and White).

ThinkSecret also notes that "at least four new Mac configurations" will be released on Wednesday, but no further details are available.

Does the use of this word 'configurations' in relation to the Macs seem interesting to anyone else? Sounds a bit like there may be really minor speed bumps like those appearing on the Mac Minis.

[wrldwzrd89]

This is good news...I'm more interested in finding out what the new Macs are than the new iPods, though.

I'm beginning to wonder if Apple is changing their marketing strategy to make some of the complainers happy - if they are it seems to be working so far.

[igetbanned]

'reliable sources'

I guess we'll find out just how reliable.

Two days, and on the 13th SOCOM 3 comes out!!!!

This might be the BEST WEEK EVER!

[KindredMAC]

I'm surprised that many.... what would they be?
PowerMac?
PowerBook?
Mac Mini?
iMac G5?

I was banking on the PowerMac and the PowerBook, but the more I think of it, the iMac G5 hasn't seen any real upgrades since it debuted.... as well as the Mac Mini.

[Peace]

I can see jobs on stage showing the new iPods and Mac configurations..
Then.....One More Thing....

[snkTab]

Oh great, no Airport Extreme update. What is Apple doing? Sleeping?

[hayesk]

Does the use of this word 'configurations' in relation to the Macs seem interesting to anyone else? Sounds a bit like there may be really minor speed bumps like those appearing on the Mac Minis.

What else would you expect? Dual Dual Core G5s? That'd be just silly. ;)

[MacFan782040]

I was banking on the PowerMac and the PowerBook, but the more I think of it, the iMac G5 hasn't seen any real upgrades since it debuted.... as well as the Mac Mini.

The iMacs were reciently updated, kinda. It's a good deal. Plus, I just bought a new 20" iMac, so they better not upgrade them :rolleyes:

[hayesk]

Ahh... the backpedalling at ThinkSecret begins. First it's new iPods, then it's only PowerMacs. Well, they might be wrong, so why not predict everything? Then they're bound to be right. :D

[five04]

this week will really hurt my credit card. :)

[AoWolf]

I wonder what this means for the U2 iPod? Honestly though its the new macs that interest me.

[crispoe]

Never have seen Steve announce 6 new things after he tells the audience "one more thing" at the end of his keynotes, nevermind making it the tagline for the whole event. We will see on the 12th. To call a whole event for an 80 gig ipod seems a bit much.

[Zaren]

Here's hoping there's an iPod refresh... and that it happens quickly. I made my referral quota on a freeipod site, and they're confirming my referrals. If I'm super lucky, they'll change to the new models before they complete my confirmations :)

[Mac_Freak]

5G iPods :D in black and white so the U2 iPod is going to be dropped, am I right?

But what about the Pro line? :confused:

[mjstew33]

Hopefully an update to the iMacs. I'm in the market for one :D

[texasmafia]

I have no trust in Thinksecret anymore. They don't have any better info than the other rumor sites since the lawsuit. They keep saying their info is so reliable but then they get info from someone else so they change their prediction. I think they are just like all the other rumor sites, only its harder to trust Thinksecret anymore.

[jtquick2001]

Do you honestly think that a color change and 10 gig hard drive bumb is worthy of an event separate event from the media event? I mean come on, you invited the press for this stuff and thats all you are going to announce? and no consumer cares about a powermac speed bump. This is going to be bigger then thinksecret's rumor. Count on it.

[GroundLoop]

Ahh... the backpedalling at ThinkSecret begins. First it's new iPods, then it's only PowerMacs. Well, they might be wrong, so why not predict everything? Then they're bound to be right. :D


TS originally stated that there would be computer updates at the event. They later added that they had new information about iPod updates (non-video). I don't see any backpedalling. They reported the information as they received it.

I wonder if the four updates are four different lines, or just four new configurations of PowerMac (dual core).

Hickman

[kugino]

there will be updates, upgrades, speed bumps, etc. but they cannot be the reason for the special event. something major or semi-major will occur to warrant the "one more thing"...

[aricher]

Put me down for an 80 GB black iPod and my office down for 2 new PowerMacs.

[spade]

Well, we pretty much now know what's going to happen before the... one more thing. But we still have no idea what that is.

[pdpfilms]

Do you honestly think that a color change and 10 gig hard drive bumb is worthy of an event separate event from the media event? I mean come on, you invited the press for this stuff and thats all you are going to announce? and no consumer cares about a powermac speed bump. This is going to be bigger then thinksecret's rumor. Count on it.

Bigger than six upgrades? I bet it will be the release of one new product with maybe one or two product enhancements... but as previously stated, steve has never pulled out six new products during a "One More Thing"er. I think it's going to be new PBooks and updated ipods.

[Mike Teezie]

Jesus.

Can you imagine how many black, 40 gig, 5G iPods Apple would sell?

[w_parietti22]

I wonder what this means for the U2 iPod? Honestly though its the new macs that interest me.

I think its gone... maybe there will be a new special edition iPod.

<edit> just read the Think Secret article... Modanna fans are predicting a Pink Nano Special Edition. That will sell like crazy IMO.

[mac-er]

1st Post :D

Actually...not... Sorry :o

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=153774

[dornoforpyros]

20" dual g5 power books!

[Hattig]

This on its own is not worthy of an event. Sure, it is a G5 iPod with a slightly different form factor (slimmer, larger screen maybe, etc) but that is all.

I'm 75% sure that video will play an element, even if it is merely the presence of a 'stream video over wifi to the new airport express with video output' function (i.e., the decode happens on the airport express, not the iPod). I'm less sure (40%) that the new iPod will actually play video on its screen, but it would be a nice extra feature if it did. 40GB and 80GB are nice capacity improvements as well.

Other things: PowerMac to dual dual-core at 2.5GHz - I'm 75% sure. Faster Powerbook - 60% sure it'll get a 1.8GHz 7448 with 1MB L2 cache, 1GB RAM as standard, etc. Mac Mini updates will be formally announced (50%). Top-end iMac G5 with a dual-core 2GHz G5 - 25%.

[Yebot]

Two words:

BLACK MACS

[berkleeboy210]

Actually...not... Sorry :o

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=153774

1st Post on the Official Thread :p

[ibook30]

Never have seen Steve announce 6 new things after he tells the audience "one more thing" at the end of his keynotes, nevermind making it the tagline for the whole event. We will see on the 12th. To call a whole event for an 80 gig ipod seems a bit much.


I really don't think the "one more thing..." reference on the invite has anyhting to do with now many items they will introduce. I think it was a clever guy charged with promoting the event and said, "What is that thing steve always says before showing off new stuff?".

Or -

At the event- maybe six things fly out the door,,, and then the big announcement will be the "oh yeah, and one more thing...". Could have a lot of impact with so many of us getting twisted about the silly invite.

The rumors have ebbed and flowed on this event. Popping up and being dismissed again. I wonder if Apple is manipulating us a little ? Or maybe it's an evil group of pirates who also control the weather, and make sure every other ipod rumor is fake...

[cr2sh]

I can't believe a reliable source knows there's going to be 4 new configurations, but has no idea of the specs. His terminology no doubt, not apples.

It does seem like an odd way of announcing a new product though. Would this be the first time a special event was held JUST for the release of a macintosh?

In terms of mac releases, this could be a really big one. Pretty close to zen for us mac nerds.


:D

[SiliconAddict]

I'm happy with my 60GB and 15GB of free space left. No innovation here...move along everyone. Move along.

[thedude110]

Man. I'm tellin' ya, it's "Curtains for the e-Mac."

And in its well indented stead?

The mMac!

A new Mac with a half a terabyte hard drive to hold all those movies Apple's going to be selling you through the new iMovies store. With a wirless airport to beam straight to your TV, of course. Add with some real price cuts on Cinema Displays (in case you just want to watch movies on your sweet mMac ... and who wouldn't?)!

Either that, or the Lisa is coming back ...

[BornAgainMac]

Perhaps some if not all of this stuff will be announced on Tuesday and then something (one more thing) will be announced on Wednesday.

[Porchland]

Oh great, no Airport Extreme update. What is Apple doing? Sleeping?

I doubt that a size-bumped iPod with a slightly upgraded body is the "one more thing" behind the red curtain. Same for Mac mini/PowerBook/iMac/whatever speed bumps.

If there's an iPod video -- and I don't necessarily thing there is -- I think it will be another iPod rather than a replacement for the flagship white iPod. Something with a wider screen -- like the Archos or some of the other handheld video players around.

If there's not an iPod video -- and maybe even if there is -- I think the thing behind the curtain is probably Airport Express A/V with some iTMS video content or a Mac Mini DVR.

Seems too soon after iTunes 5 to rebrand iTunes as iMedia or iWhatever. Maybe at MWSF in January, which is about 90 days from now. (Maybe?) Apple no doubt already knows what the big new splash will be in San Francisco.

[g0gie]

Heres an interesting thought I had- Updated computers is at this time a given, with at LEAST 4 new models. Also there have been reports of an airport express with video and a new updated ipod. its obvious that the 802.11g standard is too slow for streaming h.264 content. Its also interesting to note that ALL macs are in short supply - especially in europe where all product lines are at an all time low and almost bone empty. WHAT IF apple was updated virtually every line and supporting a pre-n 802.11 standard. they would upgrade each of the computers respectivly and the aiport express video would also support that pre-n standard. With that said- maybe the ipods will also be updated to take advantage of that as well? I derno just hypothesiszing
:D

[KrysBaz]

Could it not be

PM's go Dual core across the line (Configuration 1)
PB's get some new upgrade (Configuration 2)
iMac Go Dual core at the top (Configuration 3) <Which is a bugger as just bought one, but it was need and couldn't wait a week>
eMac gets a major revision: Maybe to G5? (Configuration 4)

So the one more thing is most of the lines get a tidy update, to tide us over until the big move.

Who knows but it will be fun on wednesday.

[thymac]

i love how i posted a link to this in the previous major article in the threads about it.

[Twylo]

Screw iPods! I'm so sick of hearing about iPods!

I've been waiting for a PowerBook speed bump almost all year. I really need a new laptop, and I'd be happy with a few hundred megahertz and a faster disk, anything!

I remember there was a point not too long ago that Apple actually made computers. I've forgotten what that's like!

(I'm in full-on curmudgeon mode today!)

[tny]

This is a keynote address, just one that has been decoupled from the Paris Expo and made separate for one of two reasons: 1. they want to de-emphasize events as product announcement venues; 2. there's a new product that wasn't ready for Paris. That's what "one more thing" is telling us.

[madmaxmedia]

TS originally stated that there would be computer updates at the event. They later added that they had new information about iPod updates (non-video). I don't see any backpedalling. They reported the information as they received it.

I wonder if the four updates are four different lines, or just four new configurations of PowerMac (dual core).

Hickman

They originally said in September that there would be no Mac updates until MacWorld. Oh not, wait! There will be, but no new iPod! Oh no, wait! There will be both Mac updates and new iPods, but definitely no video! Oh no, wait! (hopefully 1 more update from them today or tomorrow...)

I don't think they're backpedalling, they only post what they find out. That's the nature of rumor sites. But they have been less reliable lately (especially when they completely missed out on the nano!)

[nagromme]

The way I read it, the capacity boost is NOT a sure thing, but possible.

And "at least" means there could be more than 4 Macs. If only 4, then PowerMacs but no PowerBooks I'd say--or PowerBooks being so minor that they are introduced quietly outside the event. That seems likely to me. PowerBooks can gain features, but they can't gain that much speed yet.

Another thread here:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=1801958

[trose]

Jesus.

Can you imagine how many black, 40 gig, 5G iPods Apple would sell?
A lot.

I don't think anyone predicted how popular the black Nano would be.

Am I the only one who feels Apple should try this out on their computers? I wouldn't say it fits all their models... but perhaps try it out on the iBook line first, then iMac?. It'd be that same smooth, perfect black on the Nano but on an iBook.
The Pro Machines seem to be in their own styling league, and are fine as is.

As Apple has shown, you can't stick with one "theme" forever. They are constantly changing. Went from the old "Platinum" computers and flat black books, to the transluscent blue iMac + Powermac... then of course the whole Fruit era, with candy colored iMac and books. Let's just forget the Flower Power + Blue Dalmation....

Apple's new look is super slick and classy. The black color sure fits this IMO.

[JBytes]

Whatever the configurations, I need to replace my old QuickSilver 933. Is it Wednesday yet?


--JBytes

[nagromme]

I remember there was a point not too long ago that Apple actually made computers. I've forgotten what that's like!

There's a rumor that Apple's Mac teams have been hard at work on a HUGE project... something so big it started 5 years ago and will come to fruition next year. I could be wrong ;)

[manu chao]

Updated computers is at this time a given, with at LEAST 4 new models.

Ahem, in how many configuration is the Powermac G5 available right now? Three.

In how many configurations will the new Powermacs be available? Maybe four.

Configurations is not the same as product lines.

[UMHurricanes34]

Do you honestly think that a color change and 10 gig hard drive bumb is worthy of an event separate event from the media event? I mean come on, you invited the press for this stuff and thats all you are going to announce? and no consumer cares about a powermac speed bump. This is going to be bigger then thinksecret's rumor. Count on it.
Um, if you can point me in the direction of a 70GB iPod, thanks. I think you meant 20GB bump. 80-60=20 :cool:

[narco]

Usually when I see "one more thing," I expect something BIG.

Four upgrades and storage bumps on the big iPods and in two colors? Maybe all these upgrades combined equals a "one big thing," but that's totally weak. It's weird because based on the invitation, this whole event is totally hyped up and I really don't think Apple will live up to what everyone's expectations. Then again, even if they didn't use the "one more thing" line and had a one-off event like this, the speculation would still be bursting out.

I guess we'll find out the day after tomorrow. Either way, I held off on paying all my bills until then! 80GB iPod, here I come.

Fishes,
narco.

[madmaxmedia]

If there's an iPod video -- and I don't necessarily thing there is -- I think it will be another iPod rather than a replacement for the flagship white iPod. Something with a wider screen -- like the Archos or some of the other handheld video players around.

I'm pretty certain it will be the other way around ;)

The iPod won't be replaced, but will be updated with a somewhat larger screen that doesn't intefere with current form factor or UI. It will have video playback capabilities added, just as photos, contacts, and notes were added in previous generations.

There simply isn't large enough a demand for portable video devices to warrant a completely new product (especially one that doesn't fit in your pocket.)

[seriypshick]

I'm sure there's going to be something video: Movie Store? Music Video Store? AirPort Express w/video? or maybe even video iPod???

Can't wait.

[Chappers]

Intel macs (some black)

[g0gie]

Ahem, in how many configuration is the Powermac G5 available right now? Three.

In how many configurations will the new Powermacs be available? Maybe four.

Configurations is not the same as product lines.


Yeah buddy but read the LEAST part. Maybe the person who reported at least 4 configurations was only aware of say powermac and powerbook configs. for all you know there could be 12 or even more. Notice that I also noted that ALL product lines are in short supply especially in europes. Think about it just a little before you comment with negativity.

[VicMacs]

good day to buy apple stock...

[Dagless]

I can see jobs on stage showing the new iPods and Mac configurations..
Then.....One More Thing....

my thoughts exactly.

this is going to be epic. iSay!

[manu chao]

Especially when they completely missed out on the nano!

Except that everybody missed out on the nano. Only some non-Mac newsmedia reported rumors of big Samsung-Apple deal.

[newportnews]

My prediction is that Apple will be combining all of its hub technologies into a single new product that will hook up to your TV. Specs:

80 GB HD
Built in Bluetooth
Built in 802.11 G (Airport Extreme)
Superdrive
MPEG-2 and MPEG-4 Decoders
Firewire and USB 2 Ports

First announcement of the day:

iLife '06

"We got in done early".

iPhoto 6, iDVD 6, iTunes 5.0.2, Garageband 3, iMovie HD 2, and iFlix 1.0 for storing and managing movie files.

Key new feature: Wireless Syncing with digital hub device.

Every night at 2 AM your Mac will talk to your digital hub device. It will sync all your Photos, Movies and Music. If you do not have Airport you can do this wired via Firewire or USB 2.

The next day all your files will be available in the Hub's HD. The interface will be controlled by a bluetooth scroll wheel based remote.

The interface:

Music->(synced with iTunes Library // Listen to music and burn music CDs)
Photos->(synced with iPhoto)
Movies-> (synced with iFlix)
TV-> (DVR Functionality)
DVD->(View and burn DVDs)


The item will ship for $399 (competitive with the XBOX 360) and is bundled with iLife '06.

Just a dream though....

[pdpfilms]

You kow what I just thought of...

What if there is no "One More Thing..." event? What if those invites were only sent out to a select few people and to prevent people from showing up they included the rsvp email address. Steve has been pretty pissy about rumors lately, and this could be yet another one of his schemes to pinpoint the leaks.

Have there been any non-macrumor type news organizations (cnn, nytimes, etc) that have reported on this?

God I hope this isn't the case...

[Peace]

Appleinsider is now saying a possible pink Madonna iPod loaded with her catalog..

One thing is for certain this time..
Apple sure has the 2 major leakers in a battle against each other :)

I might also add that MacRumors is by far the busiest Mac rumor site on the internet right now so if someone here decides to leak anything official I'd watch your back because I can guarantee you Apple's got it's eye in here.

[Object-X]

I can see jobs on stage showing the new iPods and Mac configurations..
Then.....One More Thing....

Yes, it doesn't seem like upgraded hardware warrants a special envite event. Sounds more like they will get the preliminaries out of the way, talk about the Intel transitions progress, and then give us the new video download service with video enabled airTunes.

[UMHurricanes34]

Intel macs (some black)
Intel macs arent going to come until when Steve said they were, June 06, stop trying to jump the gun. They wont be coming this year. The chips arent even available yet and OS x86 isnt ready yet, and there is absolutely no software available yet. Its not gonna happen. Its gonna be updates to the PPC, and as Steve said, that are finally coming out of the "pipeline"

[Jesus]

Jesus.

Can you imagine how many black, 40 gig, 5G iPods Apple would sell?


I can.

Seriously though, I love the idea of slightly smaller iPods. My old iPod feels the same as a mountain next to my nano. They have to shrink it, just a bit. I wonder. If they add a black ipod, will they make black docks, headphones, etc. Also, if they update the PB to a dual core G4, that could hold them over to the intel switch.

Jesus

[madmaxmedia]

I remember there was a point not too long ago that Apple actually made computers. I've forgotten what that's like!

There was also a point not too long ago that IBM made progress with their CPU's. I forgot what that was like too! ;)

Seriously though, it's hard to update your computers that much when CPU progress has been stalled. But that will soon change...

Also, the increase in Mac sales lately means that Apple will gradually be able to add new lines (like the Mac Mini last year) to the Mac lineup. That will increase the rate of new Macs as well.

[MacRy]

I'm sure there's going to be something video: Movie Store? Music Video Store? AirPort Express w/video? or maybe even video iPod???

Can't wait.


I agree. I think it has to have something to do with movies. The movie curtains on the invite aren't just for show surely?

[manu chao]

Yeah buddy but read the LEAST part. Maybe the person who reported at least 4 configurations was only aware of say powermac and powerbook configs. for all you know there could be 12 or even more. Notice that I also noted that ALL product lines are in short supply especially in europes. Think about it just a little before you comment with negativity.

I did not want to target you, I just had the impression that a whole lot of people interpreted the 'four configurations' as four different computers, which in my view is simply baloney.

I do expect myself at least three product lines to be updated, Powermac, Powerbook and Mac mini this month (however, especially the mini update is probably not worth mentioning on stage).

[Peace]

Intel macs arent going to come until when Steve said they were, June 06, stop trying to jump the gun. They wont be coming this year. The chips arent even available yet and OS x86 isnt ready yet, and there is absolutely no software available yet. Its not gonna happen. Its gonna be updates to the PPC, and as Steve said, that are finally coming out of the "pipeline"

Other than OSX,iLife and a couple other apps there's one more to add to the Mactel :
Pangea offers Nanosaur 2 for Intel-based Macs

http://www.macworld.com/news/2005/10/10/nanosaur2/index.php?lsrc=mwrss

[javiercr]

Wouldn't it be funny if the one more thing is the updated 1.5ghz Mac mini :D

[iEric]

well looks like i'm gonna get myself a new ipod. hopefully they are much thinner! but i guess that can't really happen cause they're still HD based.

[Fabio_gsilva]

my thoughts exactly.

this is going to be epic. iSay!


I'm sure that we will see more than this, and the one more thing will really means one more incrdible cool animal big thing coming!

Also, I'm almost consulting the "i-Ching" to see what will be released wednesday!!! :p

[UMHurricanes34]

I can.

Seriously though, I love the idea of slightly smaller iPods. My old iPod feels the same as a mountain next to my nano. They have to shrink it, just a bit. I wonder. If they add a black ipod, will they make black docks, headphones, etc. Also, if they update the PB to a dual core G4, that could hold them over to the intel switch.

Jesus
:D :D :D
HAHA thats pretty funny, sorry. Dual Cores wont be ready until 2006 according to Freescale, delays will be the death of Moore's law

[Johnny Rico]

802.11g isn't fast enough or reliable enough to support wireless video streaming, wireless music streaming, file transfers AND internet at the same time. And there's no way in hell anyone would want synced streaming audio/video at the expense of all other aspects of the network.
People act like an 80gb ipod is the new revolutionary apple product, what a joke. Apple has had basically the same product lineup since 2001, with minor speedbumps along the way. Oh, and the mini. Hahahaha.

[madmaxmedia]

Except that everybody missed out on the nano. Only some non-Mac newsmedia reported rumors of big Samsung-Apple deal.

Yes, but if Apple can hide a brand new product that replaces your best selling iPod, they can hide other stuff as well...especially new features in an updated iPod.

Also, remember that podfuture called the nano EXACTLY a week before it was introduced. He is now guaranteeing a video-enabled iPod. I think he first posted about a month ago, and also mentioned the thinner form factor which now makes complete sense given the Toshiba updates. Other sites have picked up on this too, but not on the video (yet.)

[Mr Maui]

Whatever the configurations, I need to replace my old QuickSilver 933. Is it Wednesday yet?
Maybe I can finally replace my 350 MHz Blue and White G3, my 500 MHz Titanium Powerbook, and get an iPod all in one shot. There goes the bank account!!

[dernhelm]

<grin>

I'll bet there's going to be a few disappointed people here on Wednesday.

But I also bet there is going to be something more impressive that "a little smaller" / 80GB iPod.

My guess? HD Powerbooks/PowerMacs and an airport home theater that allows connection to Home Theater via component cables/optical sound cables. Apple will begin to enter into the living room, not as a Media center, but instead as a media backbone and delivery system.

But I could be wrong.... ;)

[nagromme]

Food for thought:

Adding black Mac models alongside the white ones would not require end-of-lifing the existing models. It could be done without the usual warning signs of a new model.


Intel macs arent going to come until when Steve said they were, June 06, stop trying to jump the gun. They wont be coming this year. The chips arent even available yet and OS x86 isnt ready yet, and there is absolutely no software available yet. Its not gonna happen. Its gonna be updates to the PPC, and as Steve said, that are finally coming out of the "pipeline"
I agree that PPC Macs are coming this week, and that Intel Macs before January are unlikely. And Intel Macs IN January (even announced) are no sure thing either. But it's not as impossible as you make it out to be:

* Steve said Intel Macs would be "in the market" BY WWDC 06, not STARTING at WWDC 06. And he was speaking at WWDC, so that's the sensible milestone to refer to. I don't see that as some "promise" that there will be no Intel Macs until WWDC.

* And Pentium Ms are available now--and faster than G4s. So putting them in Mac Minis, iBooks, or PowerBooks without waiting for Yonah isn't out of the question. On the higher-end desktop front, Apple can use Netburst if they wish. Making Intel Macs now is a long shot, but not an impossibility.

* I've seen mention of parts of OS X for Intel being beta, but I haven't heard anything that leads me to believe it's a long way from being done, either. January doesn't sound unlikely.

* Lastly, "absolutely no software" is false. There's a LOT of software that will run on Intel Macs--and some of it native and full speed.

I don't think we'll have to wait for June.

[cbigfoot1987]

the powerbook 12 inch, 15 inch, and 17 inch, both ibooks. the reason being two days ago ibooks and powerbooks where shiping within 24 hours. now 1-3 days :confused: But the ipods will likly stay the same. Who knows they may DP the powermac 15in, and 17in. so i hope. :)

[localghost]

Maybe the Intel-PowerMacs are ready in spite of Intel’s previous 64-BIT roadmap and the educated guess of board members and the media that the consumer-line will switch first.

Recent screenshots of 4-CPU Intel configs at Hardmac (http://www.hardmac.com/news/2005-10-10/#4588) as well as a Wall Street Journal story ‚Intel to Unveil New Chips for Servers’ (Dual-Core, 64-BIT) could point this way. (Didn’t read the original WSJ story since I’m not a subscriber, however here is a German summary (http://futurezone.orf.at/futurezone.orf?read=detail&id=276000&channel=5 )).

[zap2]

I'm surprised that many.... what would they be?
the iMac G5 hasn't seen any real upgrades since it debuted....

ya it has, speed bump, built in AP and BT, bigger HD, what kind of update you looking for?
:p

[nagromme]

Recent screenshots of 4-CPU Intel configs at Hardmac (http://www.hardmac.com/news/2005-10-10/#4588)

Even if those shots are real (they may well be), they are almost certainly from a prototype of a Mac that won't actually ship for a long time.

One reason consumer Macs should change over first: less demand for a broad variety of top-performing native apps.

[Stella]

But Apple never promised any AE updates, it was all rumours...

Oh great, no Airport Extreme update. What is Apple doing? Sleeping?

There are going to be a lot of disappointed people, especially when iPod updates are lame...

PowerMac updates look promising, however. PBs will remain underpowered and still found wanting.. ( i doubt PBs will be updated ).

[swissmann]

Only 2 days away. I'm only interested in a Dual Core Dual Processor G5 (likely) with Blu-Ray burning (unlikely). Unless of course the Powerbook already gets an Intel processor (no way).

[seriypshick]

What about asteroid?

[zap2]

a G5 cube!!(but dont call it that!!! ;) ) and a eBook( for school but sell it to the public, to go head to head with those cheap PC latops)

dreaming!

[igetbanned]

Maybe the Intel-PowerMacs are ready in spite of Intel’s previous 64-BIT roadmap and the educated guess of board members and the media that the consumer-line will switch first.

Recent screenshots of 4-CPU Intel configs at Hardmac (http://www.hardmac.com/news/2005-10-10/#4588) as well as a Wall Street Journal story ‚Intel to Unveil New Chips for Servers’ (Dual-Core, 64-BIT) could point this way. (Didn’t read the original WSJ story since I’m not a subscriber, however here is a German summary (http://futurezone.orf.at/futurezone.orf?read=detail&id=276000&channel=5 )).

Intel dual-core 64-bit chips are already available (not the Xeons that intel announced today)

But they're not the M based (65nm) ones expected next year.

But it ain't gonna happen, as I suspect developers are still working out the 'kinks' for the big switch.

Anyone have any insight into the availability of dual-core PPCs?

Freescale doesn't show a link to buy them yet.

Does anyone think they could possibly be in full production.

[cbigfoot1987]

a G5 cube!!(but dont call it that!!! ;) ) and a eBook( for school but sell it to the public, to go head to head with those cheap PC latops)

dreaming!
That would be cool?? I Mean HOT!!!! :D ;)

[24C]

This is a keynote address, just one that has been decoupled from the Paris Expo and made separate for one of two reasons: 1. they want to de-emphasize events as product announcement venues; 2. there's a new product that wasn't ready for Paris. That's what "one more thing" is telling us.

I'm with you on this. Why did Steve cancel the Paris keynote? and yet he's having a one now. There has to be something good coming. Great marketing either way...please don't let me be disappointed :eek:

[nagromme]

eBook( for school but sell it to the public, to go head to head with those cheap PC latops)

Yes, you are dreaming, but that's actually a great idea. Go REALLY low-end (it's OK for PCs, why not Macs?) to keep the price down--and by calling an eBook, it doesn't sully the reputation of the iBook. Rock-bottom specs across the board... but cheap enough to be fair even so! I think it would sell. (But I'd probably wait for Intel before doing it.)

[nagromme]

Anyone have any insight into the availability of dual-core PPCs?

Freescale doesn't show a link to buy them yet.

Does anyone think they could possibly be in full production.
Yes, I think they could be, and probably are. But from IBM (G5s), not from Freescale.

Or maybe a dual core G5 gets the G6 name :) Why not? It's all names. May as well make the most of PPC.

[zap2]

apple is goign to have a hard time after releasing the Nano!!

I think something in the Mac area of apple would be better cuz it not going to be versus the iPod Nano as much as a new iPod would!

[cbigfoot1987]

Yes, you are dreaming, but that's actually a great idea. Go REALLY low-end (it's OK for PCs, why not Macs?) to keep the price down--and by calling an eBook, it doesn't sully the reputation of the iBook. Rock-bottom specs across the board... but cheap enough to be fair even so! I think it would sell. (But I'd probably wait for Intel before doing it.)


I think this would be good specs for a ebook

12 inch svga LCD
G4 1.00 Ghz
256 Builtin DDR 2100 SD-Ram/expandable to 1.256 GB
ati 9000 32MB
40 GB HD
dvd rom
No BT
Airport 11Mbps B Not G
Non Scrooling Track pad
two button click button
No backlight Keyboard

[localghost]

One reason consumer Macs should change over first: less demand for a broad variety of top-performing native apps.

Yeah, it’s not very likely, I know.

On the other hand, up to now everybody thought Intel wouldn’t have 64-BIT CPUs in volume until mid/ late 2006. If the DuaCore G5s have already been prepared, and Apple knew about Intel’s new 64-BIT roadmap earlier, they might want to sell both (remember the 9-X transition) to show the strength of Intel.

Besides, there are a lot of professional users that only depend on Apple software like FCP.

I’d get one (if apple isn’t asking more than 2000), but generally I’d be happy with every PCIe PowerMac.

[rock711]

Ok, now that we've exhausted everyones imaginations with posts about video iPods, quad-core Powermacs, all black Macs, and iHome units, lets look at what is really going to happen...

A quick blurb about speed bumps and how great Apple is
A new, slimmer, higher capacity iPod
And one more thing...

The Madonna Edition iPod

The U2 iPod debuted at a "special event" in October 2004; right in time for the holiday shopping season. 40 gig & pink; expect it to cost $350 and include a $50 credit toward Madonnas newly released exclusive iTunes catalog.

Bet on it.

[npm]

I am trying to remember past products that were introduced as a "One More Thing."

So far, I can only think of:

15" Titanium Powerbook G4
12" and 17" Aluminum Powerbook G4's

What else?

Maybe the iMac G4 (even though we all already new what it was from Time Canada.)

Just curious. This could also put into perspective the kind of announcement to expect.

I think Steve will run through the Mac and iPod line-ups while announcing speed bumps (Mac) on a few lines. Sort of, the state of Apple going into the holiday buying season. I think the press will recap everything that is said, so Steve can get free advertising and (hopefully) positive press about the Mac lines.

Then, "Oh ya, the reason we're here. I do have One More Thing!"

[steve_hill4]

Yes, but if Apple can hide a brand new product that replaces your best selling iPod, they can hide other stuff as well...especially new features in an updated iPod.

Also, remember that podfuture called the nano EXACTLY a week before it was introduced. He is now guaranteeing a video-enabled iPod. I think he first posted about a month ago, and also mentioned the thinner form factor which now makes complete sense given the Toshiba updates. Other sites have picked up on this too, but not on the video (yet.)
I agree that podfuture is in the know, (on the current record anyway), and I feel most of the predictions they have made will come true. I just don't buy that there won't be a brand new product there, something that will excite more than just mac sites. If there isn't, they have hyped up this event too much perhaps, (well, not personally, but letting their invitation lead so many to predict video enabled iPods), and they will lose some face within mainstream media.

Sure, other products will be announced on Wednesday too, but the one more thing will have to be something worth writing about. One more PPC revision, increased iPod capacities without video, or merely something like video enabled AirPort, (which won't excite mainstream), just won't cut it.

[cbigfoot1987]

Maybe, Do you remember the older powerbooks with the feet that raise the backend up 1/2 an inch, or so, that might be a new thing they may begin doing again!!!

[DavoMrMac]

Hello All,

Well I was just wetting my pants for a moment then.
I went on over to Apple Discussions at:
http://discussions.info.apple.com/webx?14@146.3L6hakxaTkU.0@.ee6ba8d

and there was a PowerBook HD section, which went clicked was locked. I then went back on my browser to see if any other sections were there and it had gone.

I think someone at Apple either made a blunder or was testing things out.

:eek: :eek: :eek:

On a more subtle note, I also have been scouring the Apple site and the 15inch Superdrive Powerbooks are now showing 2-3 weeks shipping, this is pointing to an UPDATE for sure.

[igetbanned]

I think this would be good specs for a ebook

12 inch svga LCD
G4 1.00 Ghz
256 Builtin DDR 2100 SD-Ram/expandable to 1.256 GB
ati 9000 32MB
40 GB HD
dvd rom
No BT
Airport 11Mbps B Not G
Non Scrooling Track pad
two button click button
No backlight Keyboard


Anything less than 512MB builtin is just uncivilized.

[pags]

Just a thought--
1. there are rumors that the 12" PB is EOL.
2. the 12" iBook is so close to the 12" PB that there's virtually no difference in performance between the two.
3. the 14" iBook doesn't seem to have a niche or make a lot of sense.
4. the iBook ship times are increasing.
5. the 12" PB ship times aren't increasing but the other PB ship times are . . . .

so is it crazy to think that Apple might be about to merge the laptop lines?

[steve_hill4]

Ok, now that we've exhausted everyones imaginations with posts about video iPods, quad-core Powermacs, all black Macs, and iHome units, lets look at what is really going to happen...

A quick blurb about speed bumps and how great Apple is
A new, slimmer, higher capacity iPod
And one more thing...

The Madonna Edition iPod

The U2 iPod debuted at a "special event" in October 2004; right in time for the holiday shopping season. 40 gig & pink; expect it to cost $350 and include a $50 credit toward Madonnas newly released exclusive iTunes catalog.

Bet on it.
I sincerely hope not, the movie curtains have got to mean something after all. Let's just hope it doesn't mean you can also download as part of this package all of Madonna's movies, otherwise they'll have to try and sell that thing at about $199 just to get rid of stocks.

[marvelouspatric]

this is all probably wrong, wishful thinking, and stupid, but I want to speculate about Apple's big announcement this wednesday. I've given it some thought, and here is what I've come up with. First off all, we know it's something pretty big for Apple to have called a special event for it. Not only that, but to call the event "One More Thing" implies it's something really special. Steve Jobs always uses that phrase before he unleashes something ultra cool in his speeches. That said, what else do we know? Well, Apple just released a new iPod, so I doubt it's a new iPod, but there's a lot of rumors about iPod and video floating around. Meanwhile, Apple has a pretty sweet deal with Samsung to provide them with flash media. Oh hey, and Samsung says they now have 16 GB flash cards. Apple also is delaying orders on portables on their site. A while back, Apple said they were moving to Intel chips. Oh, and for the past few years, Apple's had this handwriting recognition software built into their OS.

My prediction is that Apple is about to unveil a new device that is somewhere between a tablet pc and a pda. I think we will see a device that is a 12-15 inch monitor that is razor thin, using the 16GB flash for storage and a stylus for input. It will probably run some sort of OS X ish (maybe even OS X) OS on an intel celeron chip. It will have bluetooth connectivity, as well as airport, and possibly a dvd drive. Not only that, but it will have firewire and av out so you can hook it up as a media device. It will be perfect for playback of video, plus minor travel computing. It will not be a full-on portable computer, but a device to be used in conjuction with your computer and/or home theater equipment. It will retail between $1000 and $1500 US. Oh, and everyone will want one for the holiday season.

At least, that's what I think.


the marvelous patric

www.marvelouspatric.com

[Compile 'em all]

Mark my words folks, the "one more thing" will be a new dual-core
PowerMac with a new form factor. The event has nothing to do with iPods.
Period.
How do I know?. well, SJ is my dad and he told me so :D

[iBeard]

I am trying to remember past products that were introduced as a "One More Thing."

So far, I can only think of:

15" Titanium Powerbook G4
12" and 17" Aluminum Powerbook G4's

What else?

Maybe the iMac G4 (even though we all already new what it was from Time Canada.)

Just curious. This could also put into perspective the kind of announcement to expect.

I think Steve will run through the Mac and iPod line-ups while announcing speed bumps (Mac) on a few lines. Sort of, the state of Apple going into the holiday buying season. I think the press will recap everything that is said, so Steve can get free advertising and (hopefully) positive press about the Mac lines.

Then, "Oh ya, the reason we're here. I do have One More Thing!"

iMac G5 -- "One more thing" -- Apple Expo in Paris 2004

[Peace]

Hello All,

Well I was just wetting my pants for a moment then.
I went on over to Apple Discussions at:
http://discussions.info.apple.com/webx?14@146.3L6hakxaTkU.0@.ee6ba8d

and there was a PowerBook HD section, which went clicked was locked. I then went back on my browser to see if any other sections were there and it had gone.

I think someone at Apple either made a blunder or was testing things out.

:eek: :eek: :eek:

On a more subtle note, I also have been scouring the Apple site and the 15inch Superdrive Powerbooks are now showing 2-3 weeks shipping, this is pointing to an UPDATE for sure.

The US store shows 1-2 business days for the Powerbooks

[agreenster]

I know that Apple is going to release a black iPod. They kinda hate doing it because they like white being their signature color, but they cant keep black nano's on the shelf

But multipprocessor Intel Macs? I'd be surprised.

[cbigfoot1987]

Anything less than 512MB builtin is just uncivilized.
not really for a ultra low priced computer it can be done the pb 12 inch is still 256 builtin even thought it has another 265 addon but for school use 256 is more than enough to run word, excel, and safari :)

[rock711]

I sincerely hope not, the movie curtains have got to mean something after all. Let's just hope it doesn't mean you can also download as part of this package all of Madonna's movies, otherwise they'll have to try and sell that thing at about $199 just to get rid of stocks.

I'm not convinced that they are necessarily movie curtains; they might just signify a stage, like for a Madonna performance. IMO, the assumption that this has something to do with video or movies is baseless.

[iDarenotsay]

Mark my words folks, the "one more thing" will be a new dual-core
PowerMac with a new form factor. The event has nothing to do with iPods.
Period.

The "One More Thing" part maybe, but people are claiming that will be the only thing. Why would Apple hold a special event weeks before the holiday shopping season to announce one of their least-selling machines. I mean, what kid is asking mom and dad for a $3000 Power Mac? I'm sure they'll be announced or mentioned on Wednesday, but that certainly isn't all.

[jholzner]

iMac G5 -- "One more thing" -- Apple Expo in Paris 2004

That fact that the G5 iMac was to be announced at Apple Expo Paris was said by Apple. Steve didn't even give the keynote, it was Schiller.

[MacSA]

I'm not convinced that they are necessarily movie curtains; they might just signify a stage, like for a Madonna performance. IMO, the assumption that this has something to do with video or movies is baseless.

A live performance of her latest record........... Available on iTunes.

[jholzner]

The US store shows 1-2 business days for the Powerbooks

Not the 12" they don't. They also show 1-3 days for iBooks and have for weeks now.

[iBeard]

That fact that the G5 iMac was to be announced at Apple Expo Paris was said by Apple. Steve didn't even give the keynote, it was Schiller.

it still was a "one more thing"

[nagromme]

I went on over to Apple Discussions at:
http://discussions.info.apple.com/webx?14@146.3L6hakxaTkU.0@.ee6ba8d

and there was a PowerBook HD section, which went clicked was locked. I then went back on my browser to see if any other sections were there and it had gone.

I think someone at Apple either made a blunder or was testing things out.
Good catch. Can anyone confirm that tale?

Higher-res PowerBooks would be great as an option. Just don't make super high-res standard: readability suffers.

[KindredMAC]

I think this would be good specs for a ebook

12 inch svga LCD
G4 1.00 Ghz
256 Builtin DDR 2100 SD-Ram/expandable to 1.256 GB
ati 9000 32MB
40 GB HD
dvd rom
No BT
Airport 11Mbps B Not G
Non Scrooling Track pad
two button click button
No backlight Keyboard
It's just bugging me...must.... pick..... apart.... due to the.... lack of reality.... somebody stop me.... please.......

#1- I would take a dump on a plate and eat it if Apple ever went backwards on a G4 processor. We are up to 1.33, 1.42, 1.5 & 1.67 GHz's. A step back to 1.0 would be crazy.

#2- DVD ROM drives? I hope you mean a Combo Drive.

#3- Airport????? The original Airport?????? Apple discontinued making Airport cards last year. Original Airport cards are getting top $$$ on eBay right now because of everyone who has a Mac older than 2003 most likely has a wireless network in their homes for the iBooks and PowerBooks or newer Macs.

#4- 256MB of RAM... All new Macs ship with Tiger. Yes I know that you can run Tiger on 256 but you would at least want to have some RAM left to use something like iMovie even.

Ahhhhhh.... I feel much better now. Thanks Man!

[x86isslow]

<snip>

3. the 14" iBook doesn't seem to have a niche or make a lot of sense.

so is it crazy to think that Apple might be about to merge the laptop lines?


The 14" iBook's niche is for folks who have poor eyesight, since the pixels are bigger. From what my friend tells me, its a lot easier for him to see what's on the screen.

I do agree with you that they might merge the Powerbook and iBook lines. The specs on the Powerbook kind of stunt where the iBooks can go, so everyone, the consumer and the power user gets hurt.

[chris2x]

I would bet that PowerBooks will be updated because we started to try and order one two weeks ago and cannot. We cannot get an ETA when it will ship. Sure, it is possible that they are just screwed up in order processing, but our rep has gone silent on us.

[sjo]

* Lastly, "absolutely no software" is false. There's a LOT of software that will run on Intel Macs--and some of it native and full speed.

I don't think we'll have to wait for June.

And I think you're gonna be seriously disappointed ;) Just remember to breath while waitin'...

Hmmm, exactly what software there is a lot of? Haven't heard of any...

[Peace]

And I think you're gonna be seriously disappointed ;) Just remember to breath while waitin'...

Hmmm, exactly what software there is a lot of? Haven't heard of any...

iLife for one.

[cbigfoot1987]

It's just bugging me...must.... pick..... apart.... due to the.... lack of reality.... somebody stop me.... please.......

#1- I would take a dump on a plate and eat it if Apple ever went backwards on a G4 processor. We are up to 1.33, 1.42, 1.5 & 1.67 GHz's. A step back to 1.0 would be crazy.

#2- DVD ROM drives? I hope you mean a Combo Drive.

#3- Airport????? The original Airport?????? Apple discontinued making Airport cards last year. Original Airport cards are getting top $$$ on eBay right now because of everyone who has a Mac older than 2003 most likely has a wireless network in their homes for the iBooks and PowerBooks or newer Macs.

#4- 256MB of RAM... All new Macs ship with Tiger. Yes I know that you can run Tiger on 256 but you would at least want to have some RAM left to use something like iMovie even.

Ahhhhhh.... I feel much better now. Thanks Man!

1 Im not saying they are rolling back but to make a cheap laptop most companys like dell that make laptops so cheap the processor is at Least a year old.

2. one woord EDUCATION They dont need to burn cds but may need dvd Readibality

3. yes i mean B but they may be able to use a intel B built in intel still makes b cards

4. again EDUCATIONAL Upgradable to 1.25 GB.

12 inch svga LCD
G4 1.00 Ghz
256 Builtin DDR 2100 SD-Ram/expandable to 1.256 GB SDT
ati 9000 32MB
40 GB HD / 60 $30, 80 $60, 100 $90, 120 $120
dvd-rom STD / Combo $50, Superdrive $100
No BT STD /1.1 $30
Airport 11Mbps B STD / G $30
Non Scrooling Track pad / Scrooling $30
two button click button
No backlight Keyboard/ Backlight $40
i think it would sell for about $400-$500

[steve_hill4]

I'm not convinced that they are necessarily movie curtains; they might just signify a stage, like for a Madonna performance. IMO, the assumption that this has something to do with video or movies is baseless.
Well, it has been suggested that the picture of those curtains is one taken from Wednesday's venue. Even so, I think that it has to be a cryptic clue, (it might not be, but I still think it is), like the jeans pocket picture for the nano. Since the only two things that those curtains could tie in with are the theatre and movies, I would have to say it is movie related. HD PowerBooks, maybe. Airport Express with video out, perhaps. iTunes Video/Movie Store, still possible. The most likely still seems to be an iPod with video capabilities. If it had AirPort in it too, that would tie all of those items together anyway. Buy movies on your PB, (or desktop mac), import to iPod, then either stream from your PB or if in a foreign, (i.e non-home), environment, you have your AirPort iPod that can stream it for you. All unlikely at the same time, but iPod video is a probable in my books still.

[treblah]

I'm happy with my 60GB and 15GB of free space left. No innovation here...move along everyone. Move along.

OMFG. I am happy that you like your 60 but please.

The thought of 4 new Mac configs is so boring, we should all move along until we can drop three grand on new Powerbook G5s.
I don't even own a Mac. My post that did not contribute anything to the discussion! My post count is awesome! :rolleyes:

[HasanDaddy]

SamSung 16 gb flash + Apple = NanoBook

[treblah]

I'm not convinced that they are necessarily movie curtains; they might just signify a stage, like for a Madonna performance. IMO, the assumption that this has something to do with video or movies is baseless.

Well, this was supposed to be the year of HD but, other than FCPHD and iMovieHD and the few H.264 trailers, we really haven't seen anything. so some people are hoping for something video related.

But you are right. It is pretty baseless.

[Whyren]

Is it just me, or is anyone else getting tired of reading the same comments about 100 times each in quite a number of running threads about this. Can't they be consolidated?

On topic, I don't think "one more thing" necessarily means just one thing, but more than likely will just deal with one topic. I don't think that because it's a "one more thing" event means there will be "one more thing" after said thing(s). I'm still taking the lesser guess that it's going to be an iPod-PowerBook fusion into some new device...perhaps that's the "second" new iPod and one of the four Macs. I'm simply hoping for something big...now, I think major upgrades to current models would constitute a big thing (i.e. more than another 0.2 GHz+ processor bump). I'd like to see a new product, but I doubt it.

Please, Wednesday event, come and end the speculation...so that we can speculate on new things! :p

[Mr Maui]

I agree that podfuture is in the know, (on the current record anyway), and I feel most of the predictions they have made will come true. I just don't buy that there won't be a brand new product there, something that will excite more than just mac sites. If there isn't, they have hyped up this event too much perhaps, (well, not personally, but letting their invitation lead so many to predict video enabled iPods), and they will lose some face within mainstream media.

Sure, other products will be announced on Wednesday too, but the one more thing will have to be something worth writing about. One more PPC revision, increased iPod capacities without video, or merely something like video enabled AirPort, (which won't excite mainstream), just won't cut it.
Um ... correct me if I'm wrong ... but "they" who have hyped up this event is ... us ... as in, all of the Mac rumor sites. :D

[Peace]

Um ... correct me if I'm wrong ... but "they" who have hyped up this event is ... us ... as in, all of the Mac rumor sites. :D

You are most correct there!!

The mainstream media is only saying a new iPod video coming out..
But we MacFreaks have created a MacMonster :p

[bankshot]

At the event- maybe six things fly out the door,,, and then the big announcement will be the "oh yeah, and one more thing...". Could have a lot of impact with so many of us getting twisted about the silly invite.

That's my guess. Steve'll spend some time talking about how great their market share is, how great Tiger is, etc. He'll introduce new PowerMacs, maybe new PowerBooks, and the bumped/slightly changed iPods. "Oh, and one more thing... iPod and iTunes finally have true gapless playback!" The crowd roars and gives a 10-minute standing ovation... Music lovers rejoice, among cries of "What took you so long, Steve?" :D

Err, sorry. Just a little daydream there. :rolleyes: Whatever it is, the "one more thing" will certainly be interesting, maybe surprising; but I agree - it'll come after several "normal" product update announcements.

(maybe I should just change my username to 'gapless' until it finally happens!)

[Laser47]

1 Im not saying they are rolling back but to make a cheap laptop most companys like dell that make laptops so cheap the processor is at Least a year old.

2. one woord EDUCATION They dont need to burn cds but may need dvd Readibality

3. yes i mean B but they may be able to use a intel B built in intel still makes b cards

4. again EDUCATIONAL Upgradable to 1.25 GB.

12 inch svga LCD
G4 1.00 Ghz
256 Builtin DDR 2100 SD-Ram/expandable to 1.256 GB SDT
ati 9000 32MB
40 GB HD / 60 $30, 80 $60, 100 $90, 120 $120
dvd-rom STD / Combo $50, Superdrive $100
No BT STD /1.1 $30
Airport 11Mbps B STD / G $30
Non Scrooling Track pad / Scrooling $30
two button click button
No backlight Keyboard/ Backlight $40
i think it would sell for about $400-$500
No Cd burner?, if its for education then how do the students get their stuff off the computer. We have the old imacs in our science labs at school that dont have cd burners so everytime we need to save somthing we have to share 1 usb drive for the whole class.
Also 30$ for scrolling trackpad?, it doesnt cost apple any extra money to make a trackpad scrolling its just software, you can even download a hack to let *books which dont have scrolling trackpads the ability to scroll.
Also SVGA? COME ON 800x600? Atleast 1024x768.
An ebook would be a good idea though, i wonder what it would look like?

[StkhlmSyndrm23]

Well BTO iBooks are running 3-5 and BTO PowerMac 2.7's are running 5-7 days. Everything else appears normal in the store. Hmm. I'd be quite incredulous if the iBooks really got updated, other than the addition of a black variant. I'm stumped that the PowerBook ship times haven't really increased.

[cbigfoot1987]

No Cd burner?, if its for education then how do the students get their stuff off the computer. We have the old imacs in our science labs at school that dont have cd burners so everytime we need to save somthing we have to share 1 usb drive for the whole class.
Also 30$ for scrolling trackpad?, it doesnt cost apple any extra money to make a trackpad scrolling its just software, you can even download a hack to let *books which dont have scrolling trackpads the ability to scroll.
Also SVGA? COME ON 800x600? Atleast 1024x768.
An ebook would be a good idea though, i wonder what it would look like?
Hey more and more schools now require students to buy a memory stick. besides 128 sticks cost like...what...$9-$15 some times even free!
Aganin keep price down means cutting corners like using older technology
I forgot more specs

12 inch svga LCD STD / Xvga $40
G4 1.00 Ghz
256 Builtin DDR 2100 SD-Ram/expandable to 1.256 GB SDT
ati 9000 32MB
40 GB HD / 60 $30, 80 $60, 100 $90, 120 $120
dvd-rom STD / Combo $50, Superdrive $100
No BT STD /1.1 $30
Airport 11Mbps B STD / G $30
Non Scrooling Track pad / Scrooling $30
two button click button
No backlight Keyboard/ Backlight $40
i think it would sell for about $400-$500
1 USB 2.0
1 FW 400
1 Mini VGA
1 Ethernet
Modem $29 optional

[Maxsib01]

My first post so bear with me.. having read through the various threads over the last few days it been very entertaining. The good folks at Apple must me rolling around the floor in tears of laughter for teasing us so badly :)

So to add to the dream state that we seem to be in.. I will add mine, Apple laugh your iPod socks off on this :

1. Apple Smart phone , 80gig disk, music,video,photos, extra large screen (numeric keyboard is displayed on screen) , pocket OSX, hand recognition,speach recognition, UTMS (for downloading ya music,videos etc from iTunes) and just for good measure GPS.. all in a handy form factor for 600 Euros

2. New G5 with dual dual core G5 processors.Comes complete with 1Gig Ram , ATI X800 , 250Gig HD etc etc

3. All Power books get G5 processors.....

4. iMac Mini Intel model introducted

5. New thought control USB interface for OSX

Seriously, I guess we have to wait and see... personally I want #5 :-) I do hope SJ surprises us....

[kwajo.com]

whatever it is, I hope it's cheap, I've got a sweet tooth for a new electronic, but I.m not about to break the bank on it. a new Airport Express or Asteroid would be perfect

[Peace]

My first post so bear with me.. having read through the various threads over the last few days it been very entertaining. The good folks at Apple must me rolling around the floor in tears of laughter for teasing us so badly :)

So to add to the dream state that we seem to be in.. I will add mine, Apple laugh your iPod socks off on this :

<snippet>

5. New thought control USB interface for OSX

Seriously, I guess we have to wait and see... personally I want #5 :-) I do hope SJ surprises us....

This gets my post of the week award!!
;)

[MongoTheGeek]

Not to overly pee on the parade...

Am I the only one who finds it odd that all of these wonderful goodies are going to be announced the day after the financials.

How bad will the financials be?

[afields]

What ever it is, it'll probably be less than what is rumored. Then there will be a let down and everybody will complain.

[DTphonehome]

That's my guess. Steve'll spend some time talking about how great their market share is, how great Tiger is, etc. He'll introduce new PowerMacs, maybe new PowerBooks, and the bumped/slightly changed iPods. "Oh, and one more thing... iPod and iTunes finally have true gapless playback!" The crowd roars and gives a 10-minute standing ovation)[/SIZE]

Lol! Thank God he invited the media!

[SwiftLives]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but has "One More Thing" ever been a just speed bumped exsisting product?

It's always been the start of a new product generation (i.e. Powermac G5, iMac G5, TiBook, etc.) or a new product (???)

Maybe 5G iPods. Maybe a whole new product that we're all missing.

As for updated PowerMacs, will those be released at the event or via press-release beforehand - possibly Tuesday?

I'm guessing at the event. Can anyone remember Apple updating their website twice in one week? Especially with all of the odd quirks that happen when they update their site.

Guess we'll find out tomorrow.

I could sure use a new Powermac. My G4 667 is starting to get a tad long in the tooth.

[solvs]

What ever it is, it'll probably be less than what is rumored. Then there will be a let down and everybody will complain.
I think you just hit the nail on the head. This is one of the few posts about this stuff I can actually agree with. I'm sure whatever Apple releases will be cool, but you all better prepare to be disappointed.

I just want a new PowerMac.

[madmaxmedia]

Um ... correct me if I'm wrong ... but "they" who have hyped up this event is ... us ... as in, all of the Mac rumor sites. :D

No, by labelling the invite with "One more thing..." is basically coming right out and announcing that this will be a big event.

[jnasato]

I can see jobs on stage showing the new iPods and Mac configurations..
Then.....One More Thing....

Word.

That would be so badass, and everyone would cry with tears of joy and ecstasy and thrash about and bleed from the eyeballs.

It's so gonna happen.

[madmaxmedia]

I agree that podfuture is in the know, (on the current record anyway), and I feel most of the predictions they have made will come true. I just don't buy that there won't be a brand new product there, something that will excite more than just mac sites. If there isn't, they have hyped up this event too much perhaps, (well, not personally, but letting their invitation lead so many to predict video enabled iPods), and they will lose some face within mainstream media.

Sure, other products will be announced on Wednesday too, but the one more thing will have to be something worth writing about. One more PPC revision, increased iPod capacities without video, or merely something like video enabled AirPort, (which won't excite mainstream), just won't cut it.

If he's right about Wednesday, then I wonder what his next rumor will be... ;)

But there shouldn't be any big iPod announcements for awhile after this one. I guess the Shuffle might be next in line for an update.

[Maxsib01]

This gets my post of the week award!!
;)

Thanks, may I be the first to take a bow in front of the red curtains :-)

While my imagination is at its peak.. how about this one...
Imagine if you will SJ in front of the those nice red curtains....

After introduction some minor items, Power Mac speed bumps , iPod video.. etc..

SJ : Oh, and I more thing....
Cue.. opening of red curtains... and walking towards Steve is Bill Gates ....
BG: I am happy to announce that Steve has agreed to license OSX to Microsoft and we are scrapping.. Long Horn/Vista ... or whatever we last called it.
Cue... Big hug..... dead quite , drop jaws.... and then thunderous applause..

[madmaxmedia]

Word.

That would be so badass, and everyone would cry with tears of joy and ecstasy and thrash about and bleed from the eyeballs.

It's so gonna happen.

LOL, you've now really hyped it beyond expectations! ;)

The anticipation would be pretty incredible, however. A common prediction right now is updated Macs, then one more thing being video-enabled iPods. That would be a pretty big event. But if he were to roll out both the Macs and iPods, and then go "Oh yeah, One more thing..."

[aswitcher]

If TS is right, this aint no year of HD - at least not for Apple.

[iQuit]

Ok I am a bit confused on everything about the G5.

1.Isn't the PowerMac already Dual Core(meaning two cores in one CPU) or does it just have 2 G5 CPU's?

2. What do you mean by quad? Is it 4 actual CPU's? Or two CPU's that both have 2 different cores?

3.Is hyperthreading mean it is one CPU that has four cores?

4.I think I understand but am just getting mixed up....someone please enlighten me.

[Peace]

Ok I am a bit confused on everything about the G5.

1.Isn't the PowerMac already Dual Core(meaning two cores in one CPU) or does it just have 2 G5 CPU's?

2. What do you mean by quad? Is it 4 actual CPU's? Or two CPU's that both have 2 different cores?

3.Is hyperthreading mean it is one CPU that has four cores?

4.I think I understand but am just getting mixed up....someone please enlighten me.

The current PowerMac has two CPU's

[jaeshellz]

If they come out with "updated" iPods, will it be FLASH based like the nano? Can you have a 40 or 80 gb flash drive and will it fight in an iPod??

[rockthecasbah]

back from school...too lazy to read all 6 pages :) ...I really don't see them getting rid of the 20gb. It seems like a wasted expense to go to 40gb's as the starter, considering many who purchase iPods can't even fill the 20s (yes i know many of you can and have but im refering to the people who bought them because they are cool and w/e). It seems like they should do is keep the 20's and extend the battery life a lot, and make 40gb + 80gb video iPods.

In terms of computers, it's really important that Apple releases (or at least shows off) something spectacular. These slumping old G4s and G5s are just looking even more dated as every day passes, mostly in the Powerbooks and Power Macs.

[bankshot]

Ok I am a bit confused on everything about the G5.

1.Isn't the PowerMac already Dual Core(meaning two cores in one CPU) or does it just have 2 G5 CPU's?

2. What do you mean by quad? Is it 4 actual CPU's? Or two CPU's that both have 2 different cores?

3.Is hyperthreading mean it is one CPU that has four cores?

4.I think I understand but am just getting mixed up....someone please enlighten me.

1. As Peace said, current PowerMacs have 2 CPUs. Each CPU is single core, thus 2 cores total.

2. The common interpretation here is that if a quad Mac comes to exist, it will have 2 dual-core CPUs, for a total of 4 cores.

3. Hyperthreading is a technique used by some Intel CPUs to make a single core look like 2 logical processors. For some tasks, this improves performance by letting certain operations execute in parallel while others are stuck waiting for something. For the most part, the benefit is fairly small, and not nearly enough as if you have two physical cores. You still only have one core, so it can only do so much at once.

So in theory it would be possible to have 2 dual-core CPUs with hyperthreading. This would give a total of 8 logical CPUs, made up of 4 physical cores on 2 physical CPUs. As far as I know, IBM has not done anything with hyperthreading, but they do have a new dual-core CPU. It's hoped that new G5s will use these. Whether they'll stay with 2 physical CPUs (giving us 4 cores, twice as many as before), or whether they'll use this to drop down to 1 physical CPU with 2 cores (therefore the same performance in less space), we don't know for sure.

[LANcaster]

Ok I am a bit confused on everything about the G5.

1.Isn't the PowerMac already Dual Core(meaning two cores in one CPU) or does it just have 2 G5 CPU's?

2. What do you mean by quad? Is it 4 actual CPU's? Or two CPU's that both have 2 different cores?

3.Is hyperthreading mean it is one CPU that has four cores?

4.I think I understand but am just getting mixed up....someone please enlighten me.

1) Current PowerMac models have 2 separate G5 CPUs which are single-core.

2) Could potentially mean either as it essentially boils down to the same thing, although two dual-core CPUs is more likely than 4 single-core chips. Either way its 4 logical cores.

3) Hyperthreading is Intel's marketing term for a technology that improves processor performance under certain workloads by providing useful work for execution units that would otherwise be idle, for example during a cache miss. When running optimal code it is like having double the number of logical units, but in practice this level of efficiency is very rarely achieved.

4) Hope that helped! :)

Edit: doh! Beaten to it!

[iQuit]

The dilemma for me on a 17" PowerBook

1.I need it for 3 years
2.The non XGA screens
3.The G4 processor that can't even support the 64bit OS it uses
4.It is exspensive when with a PC laptop you get a lot more
5.It doesn't have a go 7800 graphics card, even DELL has
6.I love Mac (switched in Sept.)
7.The Intel Switch
8.I've been waiting since March for an update
9.3 grand just to have the simplicity of OS X?
10.Still not fast enough for video editing (even with iMovie)

[iQuit]

Thanks a bunch ;)


1) Current PowerMac models have 2 separate G5 CPUs which are single-core.

2) Could potentially mean either as it essentially boils down to the same thing, although two dual-core CPUs is more likely than 4 single-core chips. Either way its 4 logical cores.

3) Hyperthreading is Intel's marketing term for a technology that improves processor performance under certain workloads by providing useful work for execution units that would otherwise be idle, for example during a cache miss. When running optimal code it is like having double the number of logical units, but in practice this level of efficiency is very rarely achieved.

4) Hope that helped! :)

Edit: doh! Beaten to it!

[adntwm]

Do you believe the event is going to be streamed live? Anybody has any idea?
I can't find any info on this...

Hope so. This wednesday is a non working day for me... plenty of time to watch events from computer manufacturers! :)

[Mr Maui]

No, by labelling the invite with "One more thing..." is basically coming right out and announcing that this will be a big event.
Perhaps so ... but ... the rumor mill is hyping the thing, not Apple. Apple's marketing department and Steve Jobs both know that we are the best form of marketing they will ever get and they use it very much to their advantage. Low cost ... high profile!! :D Pretty smart if you ask me.

[igetbanned]

Thanks a bunch ;)


Hyperthreading is generally mentioned by intel in terms of system 'responsiveness', meaning, HT allows you to do things like display a taskmanager while another application is running under heavy load, prevent the 'blue screen of death' when an application locks up, etc.

[iQuit]

They usually don't stream Apple Keynotes....but this "one more thing" keynote may be possible.


Do you believe the event is going to be streamed live? Anybody has any idea?
I can't find any info on this...

Hope so. This wednesday is a non working day for me... plenty of time to watch events from computer manufacturers! :)

[age234]

Wow, iPod speed bumps. Yahoo.

I really had my heart set on some kind of home theater thing, or iPod AV, or some kind of PDA. I could still happen.

[conradzoo]

It's all too obvious.

New Pods, sweet but hey....
New Powerbooks, much sweeter

It's Intel Mini's. For Sure. That 1.42/1.5 gamble was just to get rid of old stock. Didn't Steve at the Intel switch say OsX was living a double life for years? Is it that farfedged iLife didn't do the same? Pro apps not ready, who cares? The mini is for starters. Well Steve decides to start.

And oh yeah, one more thing, a tablet version of this mactel mini. Rock baby!

[peharri]

"And just one more thing. Today we're saying goodbye to Apple and hello to two new companies" (...Michael Dell steps onto the stage...) "Dell-Macintosh, and iTunes. We're selling the entire Macintosh business to Dell, who'll be making the new Intel-based Macs and OS X. And I'm staying on with the rest of Apple, we're now called iTunes, and we're going to be making new generations of iPod, upgrading our iTunes music store, and becoming a completely music oriented company!"

*crowd sits in stunned silence*

Michael Dell *cough* "Well, just one thing to add, we're actually going to be loading Windows XP onto the new Macs. We took a look at OS X, and it's nice and everything, but, I mean, it doesn't have many games for it. And what's the deal with the menu bar on the top of the screen? Man, that confused the hell of us when Steve came over to demonstrate the Mac for us. We'll be keeping the most distinctive feature of the Mac though, the one button mouse. We think it's cute. Though we'll, obviously, include a two button mouse in every box. The one button one will be... er... more of a decoration."

*several members of crowd keel over*

Dell: "Oh yeah, I forgot, we bought the Newton too."

*some members of crowd look up, temporarily full of hope*

Dell: "We're going to revive the platform. I mean, it was good, had a lot of mindshare at the time. Steve told me it was awful, but, y'know, some of our staff say they had one and they were kind of neat. Much better than Palms."

*crowd begins to revive, beginning to believe*

Dell: "We'll be upgrading the technology of course. It'll have a color screen. Be a little bit smaller. And we're going to get rid of that horrible NewtonOS and put Windows CE on it instead."

*crowd is now chewing on the theater carpet.*

Jobs: "Well, thanks Mike. Anyway, let's talk about iTunes, the new company that'll be selling you music and the players to play them. Now, I should stress that we're probably going to be Sony's biggest division..."

Dell: "Er, Steve, you didn't tell them Sony was buying the iTunes half of Apple."

Jobs: "I didn't? Sorry about that. Anyway..."

[Mr Maui]

Do you believe the event is going to be streamed live? Anybody has any idea?
I can't find any info on this...

Hope so. This wednesday is a non working day for me... plenty of time to watch events from computer manufacturers! :)
I thought Apple's site already had a link for the streamed event set up already. Seems to be gone now ... or at least moved.

[LANcaster]

3.The G4 processor that can't even support the 64bit OS it uses
5.It doesn't have a go 7800 graphics card, even DELL has
6.I love Mac (switched in Sept.)
10.Still not fast enough for video editing (even with iMovie)

Since I'm in a helpful mood...... ;)

3) OK, this whole obsession over 64 bit technology has to stop! For the vast majority of applications it does not improve performance, so unless you're planning to stick more than 4 gig of RAM into your PowerBook its not really an issue.
5) mmmm < 1 hour battery life .....
6) Good man :)
10) Laptops are generally not good for demanding apps like iMovie, but unless you're really serious about your movie making a 1.5 GHz G4 is plenty fast enough. If not then you can always invest in one of these dual dual-core G5 PowerMacs that Steve's going to announce on Wednesday ;)

[iQuit]

You guys come up with the greatest stuff. I enjoyed this.


"And just one more thing. Today we're saying goodbye to Apple and hello to two new companies" (...Michael Dell steps onto the stage...) "Dell-Macintosh, and iTunes. We're selling the entire Macintosh business to Dell, who'll be making the new Intel-based Macs and OS X. And I'm staying on with the rest of Apple, we're now called iTunes, and we're going to be making new generations of iPod, upgrading our iTunes music store, and becoming a completely music oriented company!"

*crowd sits in stunned silence*

Michael Dell *cough* "Well, just one thing to add, we're actually going to be loading Windows XP onto the new Macs. We took a look at OS X, and it's nice and everything, but, I mean, it doesn't have many games for it. And what's the deal with the menu bar on the top of the screen? Man, that confused the hell of us when Steve came over to demonstrate the Mac for us. We'll be keeping the most distinctive feature of the Mac though, the one button mouse. We think it's cute. Though we'll, obviously, include a two button mouse in every box. The one button one will be... er... more of a decoration."

*several members of crowd keel over*

Dell: "Oh yeah, I forgot, we bought the Newton too."

*some members of crowd look up, temporarily full of hope*

Dell: "We're going to revive the platform. I mean, it was good, had a lot of mindshare at the time. Steve told me it was awful, but, y'know, some of our staff say they had one and they were kind of neat. Much better than Palms."

*crowd begins to revive, beginning to believe*

Dell: "We'll be upgrading the technology of course. It'll have a color screen. Be a little bit smaller. And we're going to get rid of that horrible NewtonOS and put Windows CE on it instead."

*crowd is now chewing on the theater carpet.*

Jobs: "Well, thanks Mike. Anyway, let's talk about iTunes, the new company that'll be selling you music and the players to play them. Now, I should stress that we're probably going to be Sony's biggest division..."

Dell: "Er, Steve, you didn't tell them Sony was buying the iTunes half of Apple."

Jobs: "I didn't? Sorry about that. Anyway..."

[thedude110]

I really had my heart set on some kind of home theater thing, or iPod AV, or some kind of PDA. I could still happen.

Don't listen to the doubters, age234. The mMac is coming. Would Apple REALLY be releasing a Movie Store without a way to store all the movies it expects you to buy?

Have ye rumor-mongers no faith in Steve?

Indeed. The 500 gig mMac will be your computer and your home entertainment system. With a Cinema Display tossed in on the cheap.

Hmm. Perhaps the cMac, then. Or better -- the cinMac! (seeks devil smiley) :eek: :eek: :eek:

And I have no doubt, age234, that you are on the very verge of happening.

[iQuit]

3) I need this laptop for 3 years.....64 bit apps will be very common by then.

5)The reason the PC side has bad battery is the desktop 3+ GHz CPU's they have.

6) :)

10) I am a mobile guy, I am not home much and need to edit videos fast on the go, is that too much to ask for? The technology in the current PB is outdated,that's why it is too slow.


Since I'm in a helpful mood...... ;)

3) OK, this whole obsession over 64 bit technology has to stop! For the vast majority of applications it does not improve performance, so unless you're planning to stick more than 4 gig of RAM into your PowerBook its not really an issue.
5) mmmm < 1 hour battery life .....
6) Good man :)
10) Laptops are generally not good for demanding apps like iMovie, but unless you're really serious about your movie making a 1.5 GHz G4 is plenty fast enough. If not then you can always invest in one of these dual dual-core G5 PowerMacs that Steve's going to announce on Wednesday ;)

[Maxsib01]

"And just one more thing. Today we're saying goodbye to Apple and hello to two new companies" (...Michael Dell steps onto the stage...) "Dell-Macintosh, and iTunes. We're selling the entire Macintosh business to Dell, who'll be making the new Intel-based Macs and OS X. And I'm staying on with the rest of Apple, we're now called iTunes, and we're going to be making new generations of iPod, upgrading our iTunes music store, and becoming a completely music oriented company!"

*crowd sits in stunned silence*

Michael Dell *cough* "Well, just one thing to add, we're actually going to be loading Windows XP onto the new Macs. We took a look at OS X, and it's nice and everything, but, I mean, it doesn't have many games for it. And what's the deal with the menu bar on the top of the screen? Man, that confused the hell of us when Steve came over to demonstrate the Mac for us. We'll be keeping the most distinctive feature of the Mac though, the one button mouse. We think it's cute. Though we'll, obviously, include a two button mouse in every box. The one button one will be... er... more of a decoration."

*several members of crowd keel over*

Dell: "Oh yeah, I forgot, we bought the Newton too."

*some members of crowd look up, temporarily full of hope*

Dell: "We're going to revive the platform. I mean, it was good, had a lot of mindshare at the time. Steve told me it was awful, but, y'know, some of our staff say they had one and they were kind of neat. Much better than Palms."

*crowd begins to revive, beginning to believe*

Dell: "We'll be upgrading the technology of course. It'll have a color screen. Be a little bit smaller. And we're going to get rid of that horrible NewtonOS and put Windows CE on it instead."

*crowd is now chewing on the theater carpet.*

Jobs: "Well, thanks Mike. Anyway, let's talk about iTunes, the new company that'll be selling you music and the players to play them. Now, I should stress that we're probably going to be Sony's biggest division..."

Dell: "Er, Steve, you didn't tell them Sony was buying the iTunes half of Apple."

Jobs: "I didn't? Sorry about that. Anyway..."


Like it.....can't wait until we engage the reality drive again...

[LANcaster]

3) I need this laptop for 3 years.....64 bit apps will be very common by then.

5)The reason the PC side has bad battery is the desktop 3+ GHz CPU's they have.

6)

10) I am a mobile guy, I am not home much and need to edit videos fast on the go, is that too much to ask for? The technology in the current PB is outdated,that's why it is too slow.

3) True, but it still doesn't get away from the fact that the 32-64 bit transition isn't nearly as important as most people seem to think.

5) Well I have a current-generation 1.5 GHz PowerBook and if you're really careful you can get just under 3 hours of battery life from it. If you tack on a 7800 Go that number's going down! Also, the PowerBooks get pretty hot under heavy load, I think 3rd degree burns might result from having a 7800 in such a small alu case.

10) Fair enough, but its the best you're going to get in an Apple laptop for a good year. Unless you count meaningless speed bumps (go Freescale!!!)

[sisyphus]

Don't listen to the doubters, age234. The mMac is coming. Would Apple REALLY be releasing a Movie Store without a way to store all the movies it expects you to buy?
Jobs: ...and today we're introducing the new Xserve RAID mini, perfect for storing and accessing your movies from any tv in the house... :rolleyes:

[ncoffey]

The dilemma for me on a 17" PowerBook

<snip>
3.The G4 processor that can't even support the 64bit OS it uses
<snip>


3. This really isn't an issue unless you want more than 4 gigs of ram. A 64 bit processor won't make anything faster. The reason to upgrade to 64 bit chips is to keep a flat memory model and avoid things like EMS/XMS, etc. from the old DOS days. The only current performance benefits you're likely to see are from when you throw in 8 gigs of ram because the 64 bit OS allows you to make use of it. Even without it there are ways around this unless one program is eating up more than 4 gigs. I'm not even sure if Tiger will let a single thread eat up that much ram anyway.

Your real concerns are speed for the video editing you want. I don't know what the equivalent PC programs are for this or how fast they run compared to the Mac versions, so I'll leave this important aspect of it for someone else.

[maddav]

My prediction, based on nothing but lead times ;) is that the 4 mac lines that are supposed to be re-jiggered are:

-iBook 14"
-PB 15" Combo
-PB 15" Superdrive
-PB 17" Superdrive

If this does happen I'll be very annoyed as I want a 12" PB for uni :D

edit: Though I guess on that logic, I could also say that iMacs and Powermacs will be updated due to their increased lead times... damn crappy strategy. :p

[iQuit]

I may be off getting a PC laptop for the itme being, I mean as long as it can be charged through a wall or car battery life shouldn't matter too much. But what video editing programs does PC have? Do they have Final Cut?


3. This really isn't an issue unless you want more than 4 gigs of ram. A 64 bit processor won't make anything faster. The reason to upgrade to 64 bit chips is to keep a flat memory model and avoid things like EMS/XMS, etc. from the old DOS days. The only current performance benefits you're likely to see are from when you throw in 8 gigs of ram because the 64 bit OS allows you to make use of it. Even without it there are ways around this unless one program is eating up more than 4 gigs. I'm not even sure if Tiger will let a single thread eat up that much ram anyway.

Your real concerns are speed for the video editing you want. I don't know what the equivalent PC programs are for this or how fast they run compared to the Mac versions, so I'll leave this important aspect of it for someone else.

[Mr Maui]

They usually don't stream Apple Keynotes....but this "one more thing" keynote may be possible.
This is the link I spke of earlier. I believe the "keynote" / "special event" will be streamed (or at least available afterwards).
Keynote / Special Event (http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/specialevent05/)

[matticus008]

back from school...too lazy to read all 6 pages :) ...I really don't see them getting rid of the 20gb. It seems like a wasted expense to go to 40gb's as the starter, considering many who purchase iPods can't even fill the 20s (yes i know many of you can and have but im refering to the people who bought them because they are cool and w/e). It seems like they should do is keep the 20's and extend the battery life a lot, and make 40gb + 80gb video iPods.


I agree. Apple's marketing and retailing people would seriously be off their rockers if they thought that nano sales wouldn't slump if you could get 10 times the capacity for $50 more.

That, and nobody really needs more than the capacity of existing iPods for music. What are the chances you'll be away from your computer long enough to listen to the 40 days of music or whatever that a 60GB iPod can hold? I understand that with the audiophile lossless market and people using them for portable data storage that there's a need to add higher capacity models, but there's no reason to increase the bottom end.

The already cantankerous nano owners (as opposed to the satisfied nano owners, like me) will definitely not let the minimal price difference go if Apple does this.

My guess is that iPods will be slimmer, with higher resolution displays and greatly improved battery life and they will move the headphone connector to the bottom for consistency (and so that dock connectors can also make use of the AV-out port. They'll be offered in black and white, with an 80GB model added to the high end. They might include an onboard iTrip like feature that will allow them to be used in cars out of the box (depending on how angry the iTrip manufacturers would become).

[greentree_uk]

why has no one mentioned a G6? it's been what 2 years since the G5 was released. a dual core G5 could be named the G6? the last of the motorolla/IBM generation? and a kick ass machine? I will defintely be buying one of these myself. before the intels come! I want a machine that will still run classic! I have some classic games I want to play forever!

[iQuit]

They can't have a G6 due to Pontiac named a car named the G6. So G7 anyone?


why has no one mentioned a G6? it's been what 2 years since the G5 was released. a dual core G5 could be named the G6? the last of the motorolla/IBM generation? and a kick ass machine? I will defintely be buying one of these myself. before the intels come! I want a machine that will still run classic! I have some classic games I want to play forever!

[ClarkeB]

What if it's....


A DUAL-CORE MADONNA SPECIAL EDITION POWERMAC G5!?!?!?!?!












no.

[matticus008]

They can't have a G6 due to Pontiac named a car named the G6. So G7 anyone?

Sure they can. There's no trademark problem there. One is a computer and the other is a car. Without cause for public confusion, they'd have a hard time making a case--which isn't to say they wouldn't try.

EDIT: That's not to say I think that there will be a G6 this week or ever...but you know.

[Triplenickle]

Now.. This is funny!! Good job..

"And just one more thing. Today we're saying goodbye to Apple and hello to two new companies" (...Michael Dell steps onto the stage...) "Dell-Macintosh, and iTunes. We're selling the entire Macintosh business to Dell, who'll be making the new Intel-based Macs and OS X. And I'm staying on with the rest of Apple, we're now called iTunes, and we're going to be making new generations of iPod, upgrading our iTunes music store, and becoming a completely music oriented company!"

*crowd sits in stunned silence*

Michael Dell *cough* "Well, just one thing to add, we're actually going to be loading Windows XP onto the new Macs. We took a look at OS X, and it's nice and everything, but, I mean, it doesn't have many games for it. And what's the deal with the menu bar on the top of the screen? Man, that confused the hell of us when Steve came over to demonstrate the Mac for us. We'll be keeping the most distinctive feature of the Mac though, the one button mouse. We think it's cute. Though we'll, obviously, include a two button mouse in every box. The one button one will be... er... more of a decoration."

*several members of crowd keel over*

Dell: "Oh yeah, I forgot, we bought the Newton too."

*some members of crowd look up, temporarily full of hope*

Dell: "We're going to revive the platform. I mean, it was good, had a lot of mindshare at the time. Steve told me it was awful, but, y'know, some of our staff say they had one and they were kind of neat. Much better than Palms."

*crowd begins to revive, beginning to believe*

Dell: "We'll be upgrading the technology of course. It'll have a color screen. Be a little bit smaller. And we're going to get rid of that horrible NewtonOS and put Windows CE on it instead."

*crowd is now chewing on the theater carpet.*

Jobs: "Well, thanks Mike. Anyway, let's talk about iTunes, the new company that'll be selling you music and the players to play them. Now, I should stress that we're probably going to be Sony's biggest division..."

Dell: "Er, Steve, you didn't tell them Sony was buying the iTunes half of Apple."

Jobs: "I didn't? Sorry about that. Anyway..."

[DEXTERITY]

not sure if anyone has prior experience with this or not, but I just purchased a 20gig color Ipod around August20th. What are the chances they will replace mine with the one which is supposedly replacing the 20gig color? Feel like I got screwed out of 20gigs of space. thanks in advance.

[1984]

Sorry but "one more thing" means one more thing folks. It's clearly a follow up to the previous event. It seems everyone here is treating "one more thing" as if it means one more event at which they will unveil several new products. There is no logic in it. Look at all the times this was done in the past. One more thing means one new product along with accessories and content to go with it. Think new iPods with video capability along with a wireless dock and iTMS video updates. There is your product, accessory and content.

They can announce new computer hardware with a press release any time they want. I see no reason to highlight the end of the PowerPC platform. What is going to be their selling point? Hurry up and get one before they are obsolete? Yes, we know the last of the PowerPC models should be the most stable and have a long enough life but most will not see it that way, certainly not the press. They will only be wondering what all they hype was about and go on to write about Steve Jobs' ego or the infamous RDF or whatever.

[aafuss1]

I'd like to see and buy JTHM or Jhonen Vasquez iPod SE (the first would look good-as Jhonen did the comic in black and white and it's the 10th anniversary, and Apple offers a nano in black)-SLG does have a deal with Disney (and Apple did sign something do with Disney Records.) Or a Pixar SE. Maybe a Madonna iPod nano SE is most likely.

[chuckiej]

There's a rumor that Apple's Mac teams have been hard at work on a HUGE project... something so big it started 5 years ago and will come to fruition next year. I could be wrong ;)

One thing that would fit this description is the Intel transition! So you're not wrong - that is a project that started about 5 years ago with the original OS X.

Here's hoping this event is about another 5 year project...

Sorry but "one more thing" means one more thing folks. It's clearly a follow up to the previous event. It seems everyone here is treating "one more thing" as if it means one more event at which they will unveil several new products. There is no logic in it.

1984, you da man...

[digitalbiker]

They can announce new computer hardware with a press release any time they want. I see no reason to highlight the end of the PowerPC platform. What is going to be their selling point? Hurry up and get one before they are obsolete? Yes, we know the last of the PowerPC models should be the most stable and have a long enough life but most will not see it that way, certainly not the press. They will only be wondering what all they hype was about and go on to write about Steve Jobs' ego or the infamous RDF or whatever.

But who is this press we keep talking about? Do we even know who have been invited and how big of a hype Apple is making over the event?

The rumor sites are the only sites that I have seen that seem to be making a big deal of this Apple event. The main stream press has said nada except that there were rumors Apple might soon release a video ipod type device.

Apple has said they want to get away from product announcements at conferences and expos. Maybe the event is just a way for Apple to get a little christmas buying season publicity for an updated line of products.

[osarda]

Been reading a lot of the posts about what product could be the "One More Thing"... Anybody think it could be the Wireless BT Mighty Mouse... bundled with upgraded PowerMacs and iMacs?

Just a thought...

O.

[1984]

It's Intel Mini's. For Sure. That 1.42/1.5 gamble was just to get rid of old stock. Didn't Steve at the Intel switch say OsX was living a double life for years? Is it that farfedged iLife didn't do the same? Pro apps not ready, who cares? The mini is for starters. Well Steve decides to start.


If it were not for the information posted by podfuture regarding the iPod AV I would say this would almost certainly be it. It is the only new product I can think of that would be worthy of a special event. The only other would be a dual dual-core PowerMac but I don't see Apple wanting that much attention drawn to a platform in the process of being phased out. The Mac mini is supposed to be the first to go Intel. As the entry level system it does not even need Yonah (though the single core version may very well be shipping in time) and iLife for Intel could be ready. That pretty much satisfies the core Mac mini market and Rosetta takes care of any other applications likely to be used. I'd much rather see this than yet another iPod honestly.

[chuckiej]

The rumor sites are the only sites that I have seen that seem to be making a big deal of this Apple event. The main stream press has said nada except that there were rumors Apple might soon release a video ipod type device.


Not so...
http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/oct2005/tc2005107_3021_tc024.htm

[bankshot]

not sure if anyone has prior experience with this or not, but I just purchased a 20gig color Ipod around August20th. What are the chances they will replace mine with the one which is supposedly replacing the 20gig color?

None. Even for a generous return policy, August 20 is way too long ago. And Apple's return policy is not very generous (10% restocking fee, 30 days? Check the website for sure).

Edit: checked the site and it's 14 days, 10% restocking fee. Like I said, Apple's policy is not the most generous out there.
http://store.apple.com/Catalog/US/Images/salespolicies.html

Feel like I got screwed out of 20gigs of space.

Welcome to the world of computers and consumer electronics. :rolleyes: Something bigger, better, faster is always just around the corner...

[digitalbiker]

not sure if anyone has prior experience with this or not, but I just purchased a 20gig color Ipod around August20th. What are the chances they will replace mine with the one which is supposedly replacing the 20gig color? Feel like I got screwed out of 20gigs of space. thanks in advance.

I would say you have no chance. Why do you feel you got screwed? You got exactly what you were paying for. Technology products always change and improve. I would say be happy with your new ipod and if you really need 20, 30, or 40 more gigs, sell the old one and buy a new one.

[digitalbiker]

Not so...
http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/oct2005/tc2005107_3021_tc024.htm

Thanks for the post. I hadn't seen that. I guess that Apple is hyping this event on a large scale.

[powerbook911]

not sure if anyone has prior experience with this or not, but I just purchased a 20gig color Ipod around August20th. What are the chances they will replace mine with the one which is supposedly replacing the 20gig color? Feel like I got screwed out of 20gigs of space. thanks in advance.

Soon that will be two months ago. 1/6 of the year! You got exactly what you thought you'd get. There is nothing wrong with your iPod.

The good news? iPods hold a good value on ebay, so if you really want a new one you can sell yours, put an extra $50-$100 with it, and get the new one.

[cbigfoot1987]

If this happens i will kill myself!!

"And just one more thing. Today we're saying goodbye to Apple and hello to two new companies" (...Michael Dell steps onto the stage...) "Dell-Macintosh, and iTunes. We're selling the entire Macintosh business to Dell, who'll be making the new Intel-based Macs and OS X. And I'm staying on with the rest of Apple, we're now called iTunes, and we're going to be making new generations of iPod, upgrading our iTunes music store, and becoming a completely music oriented company!"

*crowd sits in stunned silence*

Michael Dell *cough* "Well, just one thing to add, we're actually going to be loading Windows XP onto the new Macs. We took a look at OS X, and it's nice and everything, but, I mean, it doesn't have many games for it. And what's the deal with the menu bar on the top of the screen? Man, that confused the hell of us when Steve came over to demonstrate the Mac for us. We'll be keeping the most distinctive feature of the Mac though, the one button mouse. We think it's cute. Though we'll, obviously, include a two button mouse in every box. The one button one will be... er... more of a decoration."

*several members of crowd keel over*

Dell: "Oh yeah, I forgot, we bought the Newton too."

*some members of crowd look up, temporarily full of hope*

Dell: "We're going to revive the platform. I mean, it was good, had a lot of mindshare at the time. Steve told me it was awful, but, y'know, some of our staff say they had one and they were kind of neat. Much better than Palms."

*crowd begins to revive, beginning to believe*

Dell: "We'll be upgrading the technology of course. It'll have a color screen. Be a little bit smaller. And we're going to get rid of that horrible NewtonOS and put Windows CE on it instead."

*crowd is now chewing on the theater carpet.*

Jobs: "Well, thanks Mike. Anyway, let's talk about iTunes, the new company that'll be selling you music and the players to play them. Now, I should stress that we're probably going to be Sony's biggest division..."

Dell: "Er, Steve, you didn't tell them Sony was buying the iTunes half of Apple."

Jobs: "I didn't? Sorry about that. Anyway..."

[ajwitte]

Thanks for the post. I hadn't seen that. I guess that Apple is hyping this event on a large scale.

Wow. Business Week cites ThinkSecret.com as an important source. What is the world coming to?

[Epicurus]

Been reading a lot of the posts about what product could be the "One More Thing"... Anybody think it could be the Wireless BT Mighty Mouse... bundled with upgraded PowerMacs and iMacs?

Just a thought...

O.

One more thing.... an iBook/PowerBook mini [the long awaited tablet]

Why has nobody gone there yet? If there is any area there the PowerPC trumps Intel it is in embedded systems, and wouldn't you know it, BSD comes in embedded flavors. If Apple was serious about nobody wanting to watch video on a tiny screen, then a tablet is the only way to go for video. Think about the Inkwell technology that has been sitting around since the Newton. If I were to try to tie together decent video playback, WiFi, and streaming A/V via AirPort, I'd go for a tablet rather than a bloated iPod. Once they add video to the iPod, they can't very well take it back, but a tablet form factor (if done right) might have legs. The top of the line iPod is just at the line where I'd expect more than just audio playback anyway. Toss in a decent processor (either embedded PowerPC or Intel Xcale), a new 80GB hard drive, and a really good battery and that's all you need. If it is thin enough (after the nano, thin is certainly a design priority), it should sell well. I'd like to see a slot loading DVD drive too, but with the hard drive and firewire/WiFi, that might be unnecessary.

I wouldn't put it past Apple to have the option to slide the iPod nano entirely into the tablet (or future laptop) for syncing (the nano certainly is small enough to fit all the way in, maybe with just the screen exposed). Don't they have a patent on this type of interface anyway?

Let even more rampant speculation ensue... :D

[150hp]

I want a Dual Core Imac G5. My new Nikon D70s is bringing my 600 Imac G3 to its knees. So maybe that will be the "one more thing"...

If not, well, its fun to guess anyways.

[hattey]

one more thing....
this is apples chance to get something completely new and unexpected on the market...
what i feel it would be (though it is probably just a video i-pod "which isnt such a bad thing, i would still buy one") is a PDA style mini computer. roughly the same size as a fullsize ipod now, but the face is all screen. You could use this with iLife2go, Safari-lite, Office, Mail, and third party apps.
the size would allow a full HD and the room to store and run things like a full OS. (wishful thinking, i know, but a good stratagy,

It would be ridiculous to call a press event (lets face it the press doesnt get excited about apple (look how they reacted to Kanye at the Nano reveal).
they would be annoyed if it were just minor upgrades to existing products.
this is going to be something major. apple wouldnt let it simmer in the rumor mill for a week of uncertainty, it would only let the whole mac community down.

i would love to see itunes add a movie store with episodes of daily show, south park, hannity and combs, laguna beach, etc on my own time where ever i want.


btw.... to those of you who keep nixing the idea of movies 2" screen....... did everyone forget that you house these files on a computer that has at least a 12 inch screen (or in my case 30"). people who travel alot do carry laptops, tv and movies arent such a bad idea then. this is perhaps my biggest pet peeve of the entire iPod Video Debate. their motto for the store should be "its not just for the Ipod AV" with a picture of a laptop

i would expect some quiet speed updates to powermac and powerbook lines the morning of the press reveal.
-hattey

[Chundles]

I'd like to see and buy JTHM or Jhonen Vasquez iPod SE (the first would look good-as Jhonen did the comic in black and white and it's the 10th anniversary, and Apple offers a nano in black)-SLG does have a deal with Disney (and Apple did sign something do with Disney Records.) Or a Pixar SE. Maybe a Madonna iPod nano SE is most likely.

Apart from Madonna and Pixar, who are these people?

Now a Rolling Stones iPod - that would be cool.

[madmaxmedia]

From what I understand, making a portable video device than can display TV/DVD resolution compressed (MPEG4/Divx/H264) video is actually pretty tough. As in the technology to create something like a video-enabled iPod with quality TV out is only just coming into being.

I don't think Apple will roll out a video-enabled iPod until it can output a good picture to TV screen (wired or wirelessly.) It may be that this type of hardware is just now becoming available. I've read some stories about new chips by companies like Sharp, PortalPlayer, and Sigma, but there is very little information on the actual resolution or bitrate of video they are able to display. Anybody that wants HD quality output, come back in a 1 or 2 years...

A wireless output would make the most sense, but a wireless iPod constantly streaming video off the hard drive is going to kill the battery.

I would expect Apple not to introduce something until they have the whole package well-thought out. That's what they did with the original iPod, and why it is a big success even if it wasn't the first.

So we'll see where the technology is right now, and what is feasible in a reasonably priced device.

Wednesday will certainly be interesting...

[scottlinux]

Jobs said this past summer during the Intel presentation that the G4/G5 processors were still doing good, and that 'new products' were due to come out later this year that uses them. Anyone remember this?

[areyouwishing]

I'd like to see lower PowerMac prices. The G5 is clearly not what it was supposed to be. Give me a $1000 G5 tower with an upgradeable video card. The iMac is $1300 with a monitor bluetooth and AE, they could make a g5 tower easily be $1000.

The sad thing is that it takes Apple 4 years to try something again if it failed the first time. Take the expensive cube, great idea but too high priced... then they came out with the Mac Mini, what the cube should have been all along.

We see it happening again with the single 1.8, didn't do very well because it was too expensive. Give the Prosumer a real machine to use Apple, and make it a prosumer price. I find it ridiculous that if you want a powermac you have to throw down $2,000 when they have had 1,300 Power Macs before. I sure hope apple isn't scratching their heads as to why the powermacs aren't selling worth a crap.

[cbigfoot1987]

Jobs said this past summer during the Intel presentation that the G4/G5 processors were still doing good, and that 'new products' were due to come out later this year that uses them. Anyone remember this?

Thanks for reminding me i remember i would have newer thought about that till now also what about that tablet designe they turned in for a patent?

[capsLOCK]

Awesome, I've been waiting for a larger-capacity ipod that come in black.

[AvSRoCkCO1067]

http://www.drownedmadonna.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=9145

Although I personally could care less about this idea (I already have a white iPod Nano), I can't lie - it would sell like crazy, and would avoid taking away any of the Nano's much-needed spotlight to sell well.

[DEXTERITY]

Soon that will be two months ago. 1/6 of the year! You got exactly what you thought you'd get. There is nothing wrong with your iPod.

The good news? iPods hold a good value on ebay, so if you really want a new one you can sell yours, put an extra $50-$100 with it, and get the new one.


Well I think I received it the last week of August.. But it's not a real issue. I am well aware of how fast computers and the like are updated, but 2 months down the road for double the capacity is kind of soon. Doesn't matter, I was only asking to see what my options were. I would be more pissed if it was my G5 and they made a drastic change a month later. I have heard consumers who had that happened had their complaints handled properly. Anyways, this is off topic.. thanks for the replies..

[deanwaterman]

not sure if anyone has prior experience with this or not, but I just purchased a 20gig color Ipod around August20th. What are the chances they will replace mine with the one which is supposedly replacing the 20gig color? Feel like I got screwed out of 20gigs of space. thanks in advance.

Not to be rude, cuz I am trying to be funny... I hear Steve Jobs saw your question...

His response?

"Hot dang that was a good one, where this guy come from? He one of those uneducated rednecks I hear so much about? Well, you tell him that one was good. I will have to think about that one! OK, thought about it. NO!"

And the good news? There is someone on ebay who wants what you got right now. But SELL IT TONIGHT OR TOMORROW!!!!!!

Serious, many people have no clue what is coming and you can get most of what you paid out of that iPod. Come Wednesday and you won't. LIST ON EBAY TONIGHT! For best bet, List it at "Buy It Now" for $259 and it will sell within 24 hours if it is in great shape. Take lots of pics and sell tonight or tomorrow. Come Wednesday your iPod will go for $225- $230 on ebay max.

[deanwaterman]

But who is this press we keep talking about? Do we even know who have been invited and how big of a hype Apple is making over the event?

The rumor sites are the only sites that I have seen that seem to be making a big deal of this Apple event. The main stream press has said nada except that there were rumors Apple might soon release a video ipod type device.

Apple has said they want to get away from product announcements at conferences and expos. Maybe the event is just a way for Apple to get a little christmas buying season publicity for an updated line of products.

Not so... USA Today had an article on page two of their Money section last Thursday about this "event". I have also seen on CNET, and various other sites that I have browsed. So the press is aware, but skeptical I suspect. The best I have heard from the press is that they expect a video capable iPod.

[deanwaterman]

Apart from Madonna and Pixar, who are these people?

Now a Rolling Stones iPod - that would be cool.


No for me, a Special Edition Ashlee Simpson iPod would be great.

You pic the song...
She lip syncs to whatever you choose! Even the Rolling Stones!

[madmaxmedia]

Yeah, if you are really interested in the new iPods (for capacity or color or possible video or whatever...), you best sell your existing iPod on EBay right now. I sold my 40GB 4G to get a Nano, but couldn't get used to the lower capacity (and EBayed it.)

If you give a good Buy-It-Now price, you will be more likely to close the deal before Wednesday AM. If the new $299 iPod is thin and 40GB and sports any other improvements, then the market value for 20 to 40GB iPods just dropped significantly.

I wanted a video iPod but even if it's not to be, a thin 40GB color iPod sounds awfully appealing! I would be even happier if they improve the sound quality to the same level as the nano.

[DEXTERITY]

Not to be rude, cuz I am trying to be funny... I hear Steve Jobs saw your question...

His response?

"Hot dang that was a good one, where this guy come from? He one of those uneducated rednecks I hear so much about? Well, you tell him that one was good. I will have to think about that one! OK, thought about it. NO!"

And the good news? There is someone on ebay who wants what you got right now. But SELL IT TONIGHT OR TOMORROW!!!!!!

Serious, many people have no clue what is coming and you can get most of what you paid out of that iPod. Come Wednesday and you won't. LIST ON EBAY TONIGHT! For best bet, List it at "Buy It Now" for $259 and it will sell within 24 hours if it is in great shape. Take lots of pics and sell tonight or tomorrow. Come Wednesday your iPod will go for $225- $230 on ebay max.


no offense taken. Well I would tell Steve Jobs to kiss my *** and I'm far from an uneducated redneck. I think a masters degreen from NYU would null that. Not to mention I work for Nintendo so I'm not really worried about it. I have enough toys to play with and the wifi to beta test. However, thanks for the ebay tip. If I was really stressing ebay would actually work out great because I wouldn't mind losing a little to gain more.
After thinking about it, I think I more so want a black ipod lol. Have a good one.

[madmaxmedia]

No for me, a Special Edition Ashlee Simpson iPod would be great.

You pic the song...
She lip syncs to whatever you choose! Even the Rolling Stones!

No, see- that iPod has already come and gone-

http://www.airbagindustries.com/bucket/ipod/

[Val-kyrie]

Bigger than six upgrades? I bet it will be the release of one new product with maybe one or two product enhancements... but as previously stated, steve has never pulled out six new products during a "One More Thing"er.

I would bet the four new Mac configurations will only cover two of Apple's computer lines--PB and PM. My guess is two new Hi-Def or at least high res (1900 x 1200 and 1900 x 1440 or the equivalent WUXGA resolutions) screens for the 15" and 17" along with the PPC 7448 chip, DDR2 400MHz RAM(though I would prefer to see DDR here on account of memory latency), and possibly bumps to the HDD. I don't really think the gfx will be updated because the only other real AGP option would be the ATI Mobility Radeon 9800, and I think that would draw too much power. I'm betting the PMs will be Steve's "and one more thing" because it will be the first Mac to bring dual-core to the platform; though I don't expect to see dual-dual core. I would expect this in the X-serve. I don't expect to see the 12" change much if at all, other than the chip and possibly a minor speed boost. I figure Apple will bump it up to a 13.3" widescreen when they switch to Intel chips in '06.

While I am thinking about it, I would bet that Apple goes to a 10" (or widescreen equivalent), 14.1", and 15.4" iBook line when they switch to Intel. I figure they will put the ULV chips which are also clocked lower in the iBook line, but of course this is just my guess. Regardless, I can't wait for Apple to switch to all widescreen displays. It's better for running multiple apps side by side which is what I do most.

I don't really care about iPods, but I expect those to be updated as well.

[Edit: I only expect the top two PMs to get dual core. I could see Apple leaving the low end single core.]

[Val-kyrie]

Heres an interesting thought I had- Updated computers is at this time a given, with at LEAST 4 new models. Also there have been reports of an airport express with video and a new updated ipod. its obvious that the 802.11g standard is too slow for streaming h.264 content. Its also interesting to note that ALL macs are in short supply - especially in europe where all product lines are at an all time low and almost bone empty. WHAT IF apple was updated virtually every line and supporting a pre-n 802.11 standard. they would upgrade each of the computers respectivly and the aiport express video would also support that pre-n standard. With that said- maybe the ipods will also be updated to take advantage of that as well? I derno just hypothesiszing
:D

It would be great but I doubt it. Intel is working on a combo chip for wifi, UWB, and BT 2.0+. I expect Apple to adopt N wireless technology when this chip is ready or at earliest after they transition to Intel. To adopt now, they would have to release new base stations. Not likely. Maybe in January. Likely by mid- to late- 2006.

[Val-kyrie]

Ahem, in how many configuration is the Powermac G5 available right now? Three.

In how many configurations will the new Powermacs be available? Maybe four.

Configurations is not the same as product lines.

Thank you. Couldn't have said it better myself.

[deanwaterman]

I'd like to see lower PowerMac prices. The G5 is clearly not what it was supposed to be. Give me a $1000 G5 tower with an upgradeable video card. The iMac is $1300 with a monitor bluetooth and AE, they could make a g5 tower easily be $1000.

The sad thing is that it takes Apple 4 years to try something again if it failed the first time. Take the expensive cube, great idea but too high priced... then they came out with the Mac Mini, what the cube should have been all along.

We see it happening again with the single 1.8, didn't do very well because it was too expensive. Give the Prosumer a real machine to use Apple, and make it a prosumer price. I find it ridiculous that if you want a powermac you have to throw down $2,000 when they have had 1,300 Power Macs before. I sure hope apple isn't scratching their heads as to why the powermacs aren't selling worth a crap.

I agree. I have always been discouraged at the price of PowerMac. I don't like the all-in-one design of the iMac. I don't want to throw my monitor away when I change computers every year, and I want to upgrade with ease. There should be no reason why they couldn't do a 2.0 Single Processor with 16x Dual SuperDrive, 128 VRAM, Firewire 400 & 800, Digital Out and In, all for the price of $999.00 Price point from there

If the professional wants a great system, let them pony up the big bills for a Dual, Triple or Quad Processor and have the expensive Power Mac.

I have preached it before... Lower the prices, get more users, more users equates to volume. More volume lowers the prices so we get more users and get more volume so we lower the prices....

Everyone wins. 3% of the market just won't do anymore.

[Val-kyrie]

Usually when I see "one more thing," I expect something BIG.

Yes--Dual core PMs with PCI-e and a decent gfx card. I just highly doubt it is something bigger than dual-core. Although, I would love to be surprised!

[bit density]

Steve will have a trademarked backpack with him, and will ask the question, have you ever wondered what the pocket on the BACK of the backpack is for?

It will be the "Pocketbook." A full function but very small mac. About 7 inches wide, 5 inches deep and 1 inch high. It WILL have an optical DVD player. The processor will be a transmeta processor that has been designed for the Power Instruction Set. It will have built-in Wi-Fi, BT and 3g Cellular Access. It will be an all access Internet machine. And it will be available in White and Black.

Consider it the perfect companion to the professional, and prosumer digital camera user.

[Val-kyrie]

Mark my words folks, the "one more thing" will be a new dual-core
PowerMac with a new form factor. The event has nothing to do with iPods.
Period.
How do I know?. well, SJ is my dad and he told me so :D

Could we be friends? I'd like to get to know you(r dad)! Oh, and I have a Mac-ridden X-mas list, too!

[deanwaterman]

No, see- that iPod has already come and gone-

http://www.airbagindustries.com/bucket/ipod/

Awesome! That was way to funny!

[c2104338]

No for me, a Special Edition Ashlee Simpson iPod would be great.

You pic the song...
She lip syncs to whatever you choose! Even the Rolling Stones!

Wouldn't the Ashlee Simpson iPod Karaoke make more sense? It plays the beat of the music but you have to sing the words yourself. ;)

EDIT: My God, I just saw the link that someone else posted. Obviously great minds think alike :D

[Chrispy]

Do you honestly think that a color change and 10 gig hard drive bumb is worthy of an event separate event from the media event? I mean come on, you invited the press for this stuff and thats all you are going to announce? and no consumer cares about a powermac speed bump. This is going to be bigger then thinksecret's rumor. Count on it.

I CAN'T WAIT to see the video that goes along with this event. I hope Apple posts it on their site quickly. this may very well be the most excited I have been about an Apple event since I have been an Apple user (Saturday was the 2 year mark for me... ahhh how time flies). I can't wait for this :D

[berkleeboy210]

Now that these Madonna iPod Rumors are starting to float around, this is leaning more and more towards somewhat of a repeat of Last year's event at this Theatre.

2004: iPod Photo - U2 iPod

2005: iPod Video - Madonna iPod

My 2 cents

[ipedro]

I think its gone... maybe there will be a new special edition iPod.

<edit> just read the Think Secret article... Modanna fans are predicting a Pink Nano Special Edition. That will sell like crazy IMO.

Well, the Madonna site reads:


"We earlier reported a rumour from the music industry about Apple to make another announcement closer to the release of Madonna’s new album, "Confessions on a Dancefloor" ; they would have annouced that Madonna will have her own iPod - similar to U2’s in that it will come with her entire catalog.

These rumours have been later reprised by New York Daily News.

We have now received confirmation that Madonna will indeed have her own iPod. It will be the new iPod Nano - as we previously supposed - and in the color PINK."


That's a load of bull. They're inconsistent with their statements and clearly have little knowledge of iPod and computers in general. Where in hell would Madonna's entire collection fit on a 4GB iPod Nano?

I do admit that a Pink iPod, Nano or otherwise, would sell like hotcakes. That doesn't mean it will happen though.

[MacH4X0r]

My Take on all this:
New powerbooks and iBooks, bigger HDs, speed bumps, possibly HD DVD,
and best part
802.11 N

[powerbook911]

Well, the Madonna site reads:



That's a load of bull. They're inconsistent with their statements and clearly have little knowledge of iPod and computers in general. Where in hell would Madonna's entire collection fit on a 4GB iPod Nano?


It would fit *easy*.

4 gig nano holds up to 1000 songs. Madonna doesn't have that many.

[nylon]

My Take on all this:
New powerbooks and iBooks, bigger HDs, speed bumps, possibly HD DVD,
and best part
802.11 N

No HD-DVD for two reasons. Firstly, Apple is backing Blue-Ray, second, the format will not be available till spring of next year.

[ncoffey]

My Take on all this:
New powerbooks and iBooks, bigger HDs, speed bumps, possibly HD DVD,
and best part
802.11 N

802.11n hasn't been ratified yet, and isn't even close to being there. At best they could release pre-n products, but it probably makes more sense to just wait till next year.

http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=171202677

From http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8737790357.html :
Freescale demonstrated an HDTV wireless networking system based on UWB in June

[johno@home]

The current PM G5's are dating fast and the technology gap is not going to get smaller. One more yawn, Id say so by all the posturing and delays.

[AvSRoCkCO1067]

Now that these Madonna iPod Rumors are starting to float around, this is leaning more and more towards somewhat of a repeat of Last year's event at this Theatre.

2004: iPod Photo - U2 iPod

2005: iPod Video - Madonna iPod

My 2 cents

I like it...if only Apple was consistent

[Yvan256]

I was banking on the PowerMac and the PowerBook, but the more I think of it, the iMac G5 hasn't seen any real upgrades since it debuted.... as well as the Mac Mini.

The iMac G5 has got a pretty good update: the GPU/VRAM bump. If only the rev.B Mac mini also had a GPU bump along with the 32->64MB bump, it would've been nice (even if only the GeForce Go 5200, which is a bit better than the Radeon 9200).

[matticus008]

I like it...if only Apple was consistent

It could just be a pink nano introduction. The "one more thing" could refer to the introduction of the 2, 4 GB and black, white iPod nano--oh and one more thing--a pink one (and/or pink Madonna edition).

PowerMac updates might be a separate announcement. Prepare for the worst, and you'll not be crushed.

[Chrispy]

It could just be a pink nano introduction. The "one more thing" could refer to the introduction of the 2, 4 GB and black, white iPod nano--oh and one more thing--a pink one (and/or pink Madonna edition).

PowerMac updates might be a separate announcement. Prepare for the worst, and you'll not be crushed.

I would spit nails if this was really the case haha. You do have a good point tho...

[berkleeboy210]

I would spit nails if this was really the case haha. You do have a good point tho...

Like I Said, a Pink Nano could very well be announced, but it will be along side an iPod Video. As the case was last year w/ the Photo POd and U2

[AidenShaw]

this week will really hurt my credit card. :)
Only 'til the end of the cycle, when you pay it off in full, right?

No, wait, you couldn't possibly be considering paying the 20+ % credit card interest just to have the latest Apple, could you?

[AvSRoCkCO1067]

I would spit nails if this was really the case haha. You do have a good point tho...

a very good point indeed

[Stewdy]

I have to agree with the rest of the folks on page 10 (that's all i've read). I'd say that the pink Madonna ipod (nano or otherwise) is probably a sure thing. The fact that she and her music collection are featured prominently at the bottom of the Apple homepage pretty much guarantees that. Plus the fact that pink is about to become the new black (ie Pink RAZR) and the lack of a portable to fill that void means that Apple needs to be able to meet that market demand. I still think that there will be something completely new (i would consider ipod video something new). If I remember correctly there were very few folks that knew about the nano while it was under development/released. Just my 2 cents....

[AidenShaw]

Intel macs arent going to come until when Steve said they were, June 06, stop trying to jump the gun. They wont be coming this year. The chips arent even available yet and OS x86 isnt ready yet, and there is absolutely no software available yet. Its not gonna happen. Its gonna be updates to the PPC, and as Steve said, that are finally coming out of the "pipeline"
The chips are here - Apple's been telling the developers to program for Dothan systems, and Dothan's been out for half a year.

I don't necessarily disagree with you - except for the fact that if a MacIntel doesn't show up on Wednesday it won't be "because the chips aren't ready"!

[cb911]

oh nice.
bring on the larger iPods!! :D
of course i'm talking about capacity. :p
but also bring on the smaller physical size!!
woooohoooo!! :D

[AC_99]

It could just be a pink nano introduction. The "one more thing" could refer to the introduction of the 2, 4 GB and black, white iPod nano--oh and one more thing--a pink one (and/or pink Madonna edition).

PowerMac updates might be a separate announcement. Prepare for the worst, and you'll not be crushed.

I would be crushed if this was the case, but for some horrible reason I think you might be right.

[AC_99]

The chips are here - Apple's been telling the developers to program for Dothan systems, and Dothan's been out for half a year.

I don't necessarily disagree with you - except for the fact that if a MacIntel doesn't show up on Wednesday it won't be "because the chips aren't ready"!

If Intel based Macs do end up coming early, if it was at all possible it would be a MWSF. This announcement will not be the one for Intel based Macs.

[bertagert]

OK knuckleheads...I'm only listing this once. Some may get it, others will not...so pay attention! And please don't ask me to respond (this is a one time deal).

As an extra, I'm going to curb the red curtain theory. The curtains are only hiding what's beind them. They could blue, green, yellow, black. It could have been a sheet, a door, or anything else you would conceal something with. They have zero meaning other than to keep you guessing.

Now, listen close! In the very near future you will not be seeing video on your ipod. You will not be accessing movies from your computer through a wireless connection and into your tv, your PowerBooks and PowerMacs will run at the same speed they do today, and Madonna will not appear on stage.

You need to start looking towards the sky and contemplate what the heavens may sing back to you. This will take Serious thought beyond what these postings have offered.

Again, please don't ask me to respond. Just know a few of you will be very happy with what is about to happen with your iPods.

[pipspot]

I really think we'll be seeing Intel Mac preview machines for the masses. Apple made an OS X beta release for the public. I'm sure they're more than willing to sell boxes with Intel chips and profit from the big demand from them. I'm predicting the same exact dev. configuration kit to be made available for around $1299. Shipping with the latest Mac OS X 10.4.3 for Intel :D As for casing, Apple will go with the small-form factor (like the Shuttle) since it doesn't offer one in this config. Apple wants this box to be faster than the Mac mini and probably the iMac, but slower than the basic updated G5 towers.

Powerbooks will of course receive their G5 chips, running at 1.6 - 2GHz with 512MB memory baseline and a nice X600 graphics chip across the board.

Powermacs will go dual dual cores (4 logical processors?) at 2 - 2.4GHz each.

iPod will not go video. As widely rumoured, same price-point, 40GB and 80GB. They'll announce a special Nano discount during the holiday season, and further bring up the prices of flash memory (by selling more units of the Nano). We're talking about $179 and $229 now.

Airport Express Video will go 802.11n but is backward compatible with current g hardware. Apple wants to be the first few in the industry to go 'n'. Apple introduces iFlicks to store, convert, rip and organise your video collection to be streamed wirelessly.

Bluetooth Mighty Mouse is introduced, bringing down the base wired MM to $39.

[Aqua Structure]

You need to start looking towards the sky and contemplate what the heavens may sing back to you. This will take Serious thought beyond what these postings have offered.

Again, please don't ask me to respond. Just know a few of you will be very happy with what is about to happen with your iPods.
Holy crap! Socrates is on this message board!

[crustikid]

EDIT: Guess I was seeing things.


Anyone else notice that Apple removed the drop-down menus when customizing your Powerbook?

Point is...looks like they might be updating the line!

[AidenShaw]

1. As Peace said, current PowerMacs have 2 CPUs. Each CPU is single core, thus 2 cores total.

2. The common interpretation here is that if a quad Mac comes to exist, it will have 2 dual-core CPUs, for a total of 4 cores.

3. Hyperthreading is a technique used by some Intel CPUs to make a single core look like 2 logical processors. For some tasks, this improves performance by letting certain operations execute in parallel while others are stuck waiting for something. For the most part, the benefit is fairly small, and not nearly enough as if you have two physical cores. You still only have one core, so it can only do so much at once.

So in theory it would be possible to have 2 dual-core CPUs with hyperthreading. This would give a total of 8 logical CPUs, made up of 4 physical cores on 2 physical CPUs. As far as I know, IBM has not done anything with hyperthreading, but they do have a new dual-core CPU. It's hoped that new G5s will use these. Whether they'll stay with 2 physical CPUs (giving us 4 cores, twice as many as before), or whether they'll use this to drop down to 1 physical CPU with 2 cores (therefore the same performance in less space), we don't know for sure.
Actually, it's a lot closer to the truth to say that a "core" is a "CPU". What you're calling a "CPU" should be called a "chip" or a "package".


1. As Peace said, current PowerMacs have 2 CPUs. Each CPU is single core, thus 2 cores total.
As Pease said, current PowerMacs have 2 chips. Each chip is single core, thus 2 CPUs total.

2. The common interpretation here is that if a quad Mac comes to exist, it will have 2 dual-core CPUs, for a total of 4 cores.
The common interpretation here is that if a quad Mac comes to exist, it will have 2 dual-core chips, for a total of 4 CPUs.

in theory it would be possible to have 2 dual-core CPUs with hyperthreading. This would give a total of 8 logical CPUs, made up of 4 physical cores on 2 physical CPUs.
in theory, it would be possible to have 2 dual-core chips with HT. This would give a total of 8 logical CPUs, made up of 4 physical CPUs on 2 chips.

[b]As far as I know, IBM has not done anything with hyperthreading, but they do have a new dual-core CPU.[/QUOTE]
IBM calls HT by the name SMT, do a Yahoo! search. Their new chips (and Sun's new SPARCs, by the way) do HT.

BTW, the PPC970 started out as a dual-core chip - the POWER4. The PPC970 is a "POWER4 lite", with the second core chopped out, the cache reduces, and an AltiVec unit glued to the side.

[plinden]

I'd like to see and buy JTHM or Jhonen Vasquez iPod SE (the first would look good-as Jhonen did the comic in black and white and it's the 10th anniversary, and Apple offers a nano in black)-SLG does have a deal with Disney (and Apple did sign something do with Disney Records.) Or a Pixar SE. Maybe a Madonna iPod nano SE is most likely.
Perhaps you're being facetious, but I think another iPod special is more likely to be related to someone that most people have heard of, not some minor cult comic artist and his "most famous" character.

[Aqua Structure]

As to the rumors:

Let's face it, people. Apple is going to be unveiling iPod AV. It's long overdue. Steve says "one more thing" when he unveils new technology, not when he bumps the speed on the PBs a couple hundred megahertz.

As 1984 said earlier, it's one more thing. Not two. Not four. Not seven. While I can see Steve introducing a new AirPort to go with iPod AV (which will be WiFi and Bluetooth enabled), that's it.

Now I'm going to make some huge sweeping predictions. While most of them will probably end up untrue, I think some of them may still be good.

iPod AV will be available in 60/80GB models, in black and white. It will be able to stream music to any Apple-compatible video or music player in your house over Bluetooth or WiFi. It will have a large, ultra-high-res 720x480 pixel OLED display, slightly smaller than the screens on current Pocket PCs, on which you can watch videos (converted to H.264 from DivX or MPEG by iTunes upon import, similar to the protocol used with WMA audio). The controls will be on the sides of the device to maximize the size of the screen.

In conjunction with the introduction of iPod AV, Jobs will also introduce the iTunes Media Store, included with iTunes 5.1. The new iTMS will utilize a BitTorrent-type peer-to-peer protocol for faster downloading. Initially, it will mostly be music videos available (and a few independent films), but movie studios will catch on, just like record labels caught on to iTMS a couple years ago.

We all love the idea of the new PowerBooks. But I can guarantee that you'll be seeing those (maybe even Intel versions) at Macworld this January. And with that event coming so soon, and this event primed to introduce perhaps the most-wanted gadget of the year, why wouldn't Apple do the iPod AV? It just makes sense.

[m-dogg]

I agree. Apple's marketing and retailing people would seriously be off their rockers if they thought that nano sales wouldn't slump if you could get 10 times the capacity for $50 more.

That, and nobody really needs more than the capacity of existing iPods for music. What are the chances you'll be away from your computer long enough to listen to the 40 days of music or whatever that a 60GB iPod can hold? I understand that with the audiophile lossless market and people using them for portable data storage that there's a need to add higher capacity models, but there's no reason to increase the bottom end.

The already cantankerous nano owners (as opposed to the satisfied nano owners, like me) will definitely not let the minimal price difference go if Apple does this.

My guess is that iPods will be slimmer, with higher resolution displays and greatly improved battery life and they will move the headphone connector to the bottom for consistency (and so that dock connectors can also make use of the AV-out port. They'll be offered in black and white, with an 80GB model added to the high end. They might include an onboard iTrip like feature that will allow them to be used in cars out of the box (depending on how angry the iTrip manufacturers would become).

oh, please. I don't think that argument can work anymore - people said that with the ipod mini when it first came out..."why spend $249 on 4gb when you can get 20 for $299?" The mini then went on to become the best selling ipod ever. they are two different markets - some people care about capacity, others care more about size.

And regarding the capacity, you're right - no one needs to listen to 40 days straight of music (or whatever it is) - It is about people with large music collections being able to carry every song they own at any time, so that on a whim you can listen to any song at any time. not to mention people that want extra space to store/transport/back up files.

and I hope they don't build itrip functionality into the ipod. I haven't heard an FM transmitter that doesn't suck. unless they can come up with a way to drasticly impove it, don't bother.

[c2104338]

It IS NOT a Madonna iPod. Her new album comes out on the 14/15th November. Apple would surely wait until around this date to have another media event to release it. At this event they could have Madonna perform live, promote her new album and promote the pink iPod Nano.

When the U2 iPod was released last year it was in conjunction with their new album. There was no 5 week gap between the iPod release and the album release.

[bertagert]

Let's face it, people. Apple is going to be unveiling iPod AV. It's long overdue. Steve says "one more thing" when he unveils new technology, not when he bumps the speed on the PBs a couple hundred megahertz.
You really need to read my post over and over till you get it. I'll repeat...Not video, look to the sky, very serious.

Yours truly,

Socrates

[m-dogg]

You really need to read my post over and over till you get it. I'll repeat...Not video, look to the sky, very serious.

Yours truly,

Socrates

Solar-powered ipods? :eek: Wow, that would be pretty cool! :rolleyes:

[Chrispy]

EDIT: Guess I was seeing things.


Anyone else notice that Apple removed the drop-down menus when customizing your Powerbook?

Point is...looks like they might be updating the line!

Good observation and it got me looking, however, I realized the only computer still using the drop-down menu style is the iBook. Must mean iBook updates!! j/k