Video iPod Really Coming on Oct 12th?

[MacRumors]

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ThinkSecret backsteps (http://www.thinksecret.com/news/0510oct12d.html) with an article reporting that a Video iPod may indeed be debuting tomorrow at Apple's October 12th Media Event (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2005/10/20051004154949.shtml).

ThinkSecret previously reported (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2005/10/20051006035908.shtml) that tomorrow's event would bring 40GB/80GB iPods as well as Powerbook and PowerMac updates... but no Video iPod.

The rumor site amends its previous report with notes that the iPod updates may instead be 30GB/60GB iPods with video playback ability. They are quick to point out that video playback may only focus on music videos, podcasts and possibly TV, but unlikely to feature full length films.

Meanwhile, one unconfirmed blog post (http://www.jeremyhubert.com/os-x/ipod-video-at-the-oct-12-apple-event/) reports that "a popular video blog" has been asked by Apple to be used during Apple's presentation tomorrow... suggesting that Video playback will featured at the event.

The highly anticipated event will take place (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2005/10/20051004154949.shtml) at 10:00 a.m. PT, Oct 12th, at the California Theatre in San Jose, CA.

[WRXHokie]

I hope there are Mac updates tomorrow... i've waited long enough for Powerbook updates.

I will still say it though... a video IPOD so soon would be extremely surprising considering Apple doesnt have the transfer software for them yet. Or at least doesnt have the kinks in the software worked out yet. I hope this rumor is wrong.

[RoxStrongo]

i dont care about a video ipod. i do care about them constantly getting our hopes up with mac updates and then dashing them against severely jagged rocks.

[Trowaman]

I have a job interview tomorrow during the event. :(

I hope to catch the fun here afterwards

[deanwaterman]

Well I for one would appreciate a Video Capable iPod. This is good news to me and intriguing. I am wondering where Think Secret is getting their information that caused them to backtrack and reanalyze their prediction.

I was somewhat excited about the idea of a 40G iPod for $299.00 but I would pay more for a player capable of video. Imagine taking your iMovie production with you, hooking up to your buddies TV and showing off the great catch at the lake... Or going to Grandparents house and showing off the kids videos. The possibilities are exciting and I hope that ThinkSecret gets it right this time.

[agreenster]

Expect it.

It will be black

[Bradley W]

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[m-dogg]

Here it comes...!!!

Though I would rather see larger HD capacities over video capabilities. And yeah, through in some gapless playback while you're at it!

[berkleeboy210]

I'll be sure to bring the PowerBook to school tomorrow so I can check in on the news. Thankfully my lunch hour is from 1:00 to 2:00 :) ... Hope Berklee's Network won't crash with me refreshing the pages every second ;)

[Dr. Dastardly]

Thats what we call waffeling.

I for one hope there will be Video in the next update. It will have to happen eventually to stay compettive but it will also just be plain cool. I would love to download the latest episode of so and so and watch it on my way to work.

And if you really don't use video then just dont scroll down to it in the extras menu.

[deanwaterman]

Expect it.

It will be black

Is this Steve Jobs? Maybe you are... Getting us fired up with confirmation and we hear it here first!

[gugy]

I've lost my faith on Think Secret!
I'll be so maaaaaaaadddddddddd if we don't see Powermac upgrades tomorrow.

[deanwaterman]

Thats what we call waffeling.

I for one hope there will be Video in the next update. It will have to happen eventually to stay compettive but it will also just be plain cool. I would love to download the latest episode of so and so and watch it on my way to work.

And if you really don't use video then just dont scroll down to it in the extras menu.


I will take my waffle in 60G Black please. And throw in some video while you are at it. Thanks!

[d.perel]

I've saved for this for the past year, and I'M READYYYY!!!!!

[rainman::|:|]

holy ****, it's really going to happen?? i just lost so many bets. Gotta come up with some cash, quick.

[bit density]

I hope it is Tiki Bar...
If you have no idea what this is, do a search in the podcasts of ITMS...
Trust me it is BRILL!

[izzle22]

I Need 80 Gigs!! Please!! Ive run out of room on my 60 Gig Pod and need more. i'm just being selfish, I know. :p

[nagromme]

And Macs may be delayed? I hope people can wait a week. :o

TS and AI are coming into alignment. Looks like video. But I still see it being "video as an extra" on music iPods. Not "video iPods" as some people think of them. Not devices dedicated to video on the go.

Video podcasts are good way to make that "extra" be useful. Plus music videos. And both have a connection to the core function of the iPod: audio and music!

However... I do wonder if Apple is just trying to fish out who is leaking info :D

And "one more thing" could still be something else...

[robertseadog]

I just bought myself a 20 gig ipod.. Now I'll have to wreck it, and hope for a black new one :D

[nagromme]

i do care about them constantly getting our hopes up with mac updates and then dashing them against severely jagged rocks.
"them" meaning the rumor sites, of course, more than Apple themselves ;)


holy ****, it's really going to happen?? i just lost so many bets. Gotta come up with some cash, quick.
Depends on how carefully those bets were worded :)

Define "video iPod" one way and it's a no-brainer, a nice little extra as part of a redesign.

Define "video iPod" another way (the full deal some people hope for) and I just don't think the world is ready yet. I think your bet may be safe by that measure :)

[Bradley W]

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[hyperpasta]

I'm not interested. Wake me up when its over. Theres so much evidence for it, but so little market. People will buy it, but not for video. It'll be an ill-fated extra like photos. At least they're not doing a seperate line for more $$$ like the photo was. They've learned their lesson.

[EricNau]

I'm waiting...tic...toc...tic...toc!
I can hardly stand it! :eek: What will it be?

[iDM]

Well I for one would appreciate a Video Capable iPod. This is good news to me and intriguing. I am wondering where Think Secret is getting their information that caused them to backtrack and reanalyze their prediction.

I was somewhat excited about the idea of a 40G iPod for $299.00 but I would pay more for a player capable of video. Imagine taking your iMovie production with you, hooking up to your buddies TV and showing off the great catch at the lake... Or going to Grandparents house and showing off the kids videos. The possibilities are exciting and I hope that ThinkSecret gets it right this time.

Exactly why i want one!

[ErikGrim]

Well, that pretty much confirms it. Video iPod here I come :D

[nagromme]

It'll be an ill-fated extra like photos. At least they're not doing a seperate line for more $$$ like the photo was. They've learned their lesson.

The photo features were neither ill-fated, nor did they cost extra $$$. The color screen and extra capacity did, and those are in demand whether you use photos or not. And even so, the iPod Photo 60 was the cheapest iPod ever in terms of space per dollar. As for "ill fated"--of course higher models sell fewer than lower models, that's natural, not a problem. And the photo stuff is appreciated for what it is: a nice extra that some people will use--and one that connects to music--but not something that intrudes on the main function: music.

[bankshot]

Boo. It's been debated a million times here, but I honestly don't see the need for video in an iPod beyond novelty. Sure, it's cute, it's a neat trick, but it has no real use for the majority of consumers. I hope to be wowed by something much better, but I fear this is all it will be - a gimmick (one that will sell very well anyway, I'm sure).

Oh well! I'm guessing my dream for the iPod will come another day, not tomorrow... :(

[darwen]

Screw the size... I want a video iPod! I will actually go get a second iPod just to get the video playback.

[oskar]

Hmm, make up your minds already. Finally now that Thinksecret is saying that there probably will be an iPod video, I wonder if new iPods will be thinner and have a larger screen?
Updated Macs do seem unlikely and probably will only have small quiet updates during the next weeks. Who knows... maybe there won't be updated PowerBooks again until January. :confused:

[Passante]

Will the event be "simulcasted" by any web sites?

[MrSugar]

I was really hoping for some new Mac products, but new iPods are good too.

After all the defending I did of TS, now they come right back and change their stance! I honestly have lost some faith in them. While it's good they got the right info, they really have been dragging us around.

Humph, I think many of us are still wondering, "When do we get some new mac products!?".

[darwen]

CRAP! I can't wait! I want it now!

I don't have the money but I want it! ...And now!

[makki]

does anyone know the url for the live webcast tomorrow? :confused:

[spaced]

This is awesome news...

iPorn here I come! (pun intended!)

[mcmillan]

I'm really excited, no matter what it is, big things are coming tomorrow. :D

[powerbook911]

There will be no live webcast. They will hopefully have a delayed stream, later in the day.

If it is a video iPod, I will probably order it immediately. I'd prefer a Powerbook, but I'll take an iPod for now.

[nagromme]

Boo. It's been debated a million times here, but I honestly don't see the need for video in an iPod beyond novelty. Sure, it's cute, it's a neat trick, but it has no real use for the majority of consumers.

Agreed. But as long as Apple markets it as a MUSIC player first and foremost, then video can be a cool novelty that you can "take or leave" and no harm done.

In which case... all the hype and "one more thing" might be something else.

Re live coverage... I'd settle for text. MacOSRumors.com claims to have a new system ready to provide live text coverage, but their services have been as unreliable as their rumors for a long time (they keep posting "articles" that are bad links going nowehere... and just leaving them there for days). I wouldn't count on them. Any other text sources?

[abhishake]

Man, though I don't like to brag, I WAS RIGHT! IN YOUR FACES! IN ALL OF YOUR LITTLE TINY FACES THAT DISAGREED! lol.

Just banter. Anyway, I think ThinkSecret may be wrong again, saying that Mac Updates will not happen until next week.

They will have them tomorrow, with the iPod.

[jesse1087]

Alright, screw video iPods...Who in the right mind wants to watch a video on a 2" screen? Not me! I'd much rather watch the same video on a newly updated > 1.67ghz powerbook with a 15" widescreen!

Tomorrow is my birthday, and I would REALLY appreciate a powerbook for it! I've been waiting forever. And I agree with whoever it was that said it above, they constantly talk about updates but it never happens. It's time it happened. You'd think a company like apple could update one of their biggest products a little more frequently than Microsoft updates their OS :p

K, now I'm just exagerating, I'm angry, I want a powerbook, the end.

[840quadra]

I am just waiting for new ibooks to come out, so that I can buy the current model on sale, and or a better Refurbished item then is currently available.

I love being on the "healing edge" :)

http://forums.macrumors.com/image.php?u=47064&type=profile&dateline=1127904880

[izzle22]

The only way I will buy a video iPod is if it is 80 Gig or more and WIFI capable, otherwise we will be watching videos on a 2 inch screen or constantly having to hook wires to a TV. So I for one vote for a new Airport express with video capabilites to stream music & video from comp. or WIFI enabled iPod. But this probally won't happen. :(

[~Shard~]

Wow, back and forth, back and forth, what will tomorrow bring?!

We'll all know soon. I think regardless of what it is, there will be some great new offerings out there. And also, regardless of what's announced, there will be complainers. :p :cool:

[DaftUnion]

I came out of hibernation specifically for this...

[abhishake]

I am just waiting for new ibooks to come out, so that I can buy the current model on sale, and or a better Refurbished item then is currently available.

I love being on the "healing edge" :)

http://forums.macrumors.com/image.php?u=47064&type=profile&dateline=1127904880


Don't count on an iBook update.. I don't think they're going to have another one until much later, probably 2006.

[skythefly13]

Seems like a very reasonable look for an ipod video:
http://gallery.ipodlounge.com/ipod/displayimage.php?pid=5426&fullsize=1

Though the screen might be too big...

[Tommyg117]

This is pretty good. I am excited for it mainly because i am going to update my current iPod because it is getting filled! But I think it will be something like the games, it's cool that it is there however, unless there is something other than music videos, I probably won't use it that much. Now if tv shows could be put on it, that would be excellent, and I would use that. Family Guy while in class? I love it.

[Bern]

Just because Think Secret have again back pedaled doesn't necessarily mean it's true. Gosh, you lot are talking like Apple have already made a formal announcement on this. Think Secret seem to be hedging their bets both ways so don't get too excited just yet folks.

However, I'd love to see a video iPod it's what I been holding out for since I bought my third generation iPod.

[jared_kipe]

Of course this is gonna happen. Apple hasn't put a free music video online for... 2 months. And I'm actually a little pissed about it, I bought a lot of songs after hearing their videos.

EDIT: Newton Newton Newton... it wasn't time back in 95 or whatever, but it is now...

[fordandrew87]

I know for a FACT that a video ipod will be introduced. cough, big companies most likely already added this item to their system.

[digitalbiker]

Agreed. But as long as Apple markets it as a MUSIC player first and foremost, then video can be a cool novelty that you can "take or leave" and no harm done.

In which case... all the hype and "one more thing" might be something else.


I agree with you. Apple probably has an ipod very similar in styling to the Nano only with a slightly larger display and 80GB HD. It is primarily a high storage music player but it will support video for those small music video and other shorts.

The one more thing is probably something different. Maybe introduction of iTunes Movie store, BBC video shows, some viacom network tv shows,etc. Which can be purchased, downloaded over highspeed connection and burnt to a limited number of DVD's.

Hopefully Apple will also bump PM & PB with new features that will better support HD Video, and video production software. :)

[bankshot]

Agreed. But as long as Apple markets it as a MUSIC player first and foremost, then video can be a cool novelty that you can "take or leave" and no harm done.

Yeah, that's true. I'm sure the new iPod will be just as good of a music player, and that's great. :cool:

The thing is (and I've been trying to bite my tongue because I've been quite vocal about it recently already), I believe the iPod has some important flaws in its music capabilities. In my opinion, fixing those should be #1 priority before adding complex new features, and I'd bet good money that it doesn't get fixed in this update. The way I figure it, a brand new generation of iPod has a better chance of fixing things with music if it doesn't have any major new capabilities. That's because with new capabilities (video), they've surely concentrated all their software work on the new stuff instead of existing issues.

I've beaten this to death so I'll leave it at that, realizing that 99% of people don't care anyway. I don't want to hijack yet another thread talking about it. :o :rolleyes:

In which case... all the hype and "one more thing" might be something else.

Yes, that's the one shred of hope I'm hanging on to. :D

[iCreate]

Any Powerbook updates tomorrow, if any, will probably be lame. PowerMac updates, if any, could be more interesting although I have a feeling it may be more of an update to the supporting architecture for both systems.

[dongmin]

Can someone confirm the time for the event tomorrow?

Is it 10 am PST???

thnx

[Superdrive]

Another iPod is great, but my 4G 40GB is still rockin. I'm holding out for the new Airport Express and something new and cool tomorrow. Anything that has iPod in its name tomorrow cant be that great. (PS: I hope to put my foot in my mouth regarding that tomorrow :p)

[capsLOCK]

A video ipod would be awesome.. but i just bought a nano

[jiv3turkey748]

i was going to get a nano but now i guess ill probaly get a 30gig ipod video
cant wait to see what happens tomarrow

[AvSRoCkCO1067]

Thats what we call waffeling.

I for one hope there will be Video in the next update. It will have to happen eventually to stay compettive but it will also just be plain cool. I would love to download the latest episode of so and so and watch it on my way to work.

And if you really don't use video then just dont scroll down to it in the extras menu.

please say you don't drive to work....

[~Shard~]

I am just waiting for new ibooks to come out, so that I can buy the current model on sale, and or a better Refurbished item then is currently available.

New iBooks were just released recently. There are many other product lines which need updating, so I don't see anymore iBook updates coming for quite some time, sorry to say. :(

[~Shard~]

Can someone confirm the time for the event tomorrow?

Is it 10 am PST???

thnx

Confirmed. 10 AM PST. Don't miss it! :cool:

[mddharma]

:mad: :mad: Well... tomorrow may make it official. Apple is no longer a computer company but a sony want to be. The powerbooks should of had a nice update months ago, everything needed is out there. If they are not updated, one has to wonder what Apples intentions are. I have heard all the talk of how sweet they are now, but that is just rationalizing to avoid the fact that they are TOO long in the tooth.

Steve Jobs release the updates!! :mad: :mad:

As far as an ipod 'video' is concern - I think the market will be very limited. If that is the 'one more thing' - I think it is a waste of time. Just another revision of an ipod like the ipod photo. Hopefully they will release a surprise tablet, media center - ANYTHING other than just an 'video' ipod.

I hope Apple remembers where it's roots are... :( :(

[bankshot]

Confirmed. 10 AM PST. Don't miss it! :cool:

We're still in Daylight Savings Time, so that's PDT. But we all knew that. ;)

[ozlow]

Maybe we can record directly from our tv's to it... Like a portable Tivo? If so, my Tivo will be up on Ebay tomorrow. Please APPLE... give me a better choice!

[nexusfx]

As much as a video capable iPod would be cool, I think we need a break from the "iPod Side" of things, we've got some cool products there already. (Though I wouldn't mind a "minor" update to the standards to 40/80)

I wanna see some new things from the "Computer Side" of things. Though I don't personally think they should update the Powerbooks until they're ready for their "intel debut". They could definately use a PowerMac update to stir some things up. Let's see some Dual Core Dual Processor PowerMac BEASTS and shake the ground before we go intel.

Just wanted to put in my two cents

[plastique45]

Any Powerbook updates tomorrow, if any, will probably be lame. PowerMac updates, if any, could be more interesting although I have a feeling it may be more of an update to the supporting architecture for both systems.

From the ThinkSecret article:

Recent notes suggest otherwise, however, and tomorrow may in fact see the release of a video iPod, while Mac updates may not be delivered until next week.

[danistheman50]

This is going to be great being able to watch That 70's Show in the back of my quantum physics class! yaayyy I can't wait. (Good thing I sold my Nano for $230 the other day to some guy on Ebay!)

[AvSRoCkCO1067]

As much as a video capable iPod would be cool, I think we need a break from the "iPod Side" of things, we've got some cool products there already. (Though I wouldn't mind a "minor" update to the standards to 40/80)

I wanna see some new things from the "Computer Side" of things. Though I don't personally think they should update the Powerbooks until they're ready for their "intel debut". They could definately use a PowerMac update to stir some things up. Let's see some Dual Core Dual Processor PowerMac BEASTS and shake the ground before we go intel.

Just wanted to put in my two cents

Wow Powerbooks may not be the first to convert to Intel - I'd say that Steve should update these at least once more with PPC architecture before they switch over.

A lot of professionals who use Powerbooks aren't going to want to switch over to Intel right away - the software won't all be compatible. Therefore, they're going to want a new PPC Powerbook - not one that's already 9 months out of date!

[Belly-laughs]

Hint to new PowerMacs… UK and other European AppleStores now shows 7-10 days shipping for dual 2.3GHz. 15" and 17" PowerBooks from 5 days…

Finally, pro upgrades!

[cxny]

I've spent at least 40 hours downloading music videos (from Joy Division to Manu Chao) in the last week since I realized this was coming. I'm thrilled at the possibilities of the iPod video, obviously not for movies, but video clips and iMovies would be very cool. Things that you can watch at arms length, that sound great with headphones and that you never have the time or inclination to sit at home and watch.

I've enjoyed and destroyed both the 1G and 3G iPods so I'm perfectly positioned for the 5th generation. I'm surprised at the level of hostility to this particular rumor, why can't people just appreciate that Apple are expanding the offerings of the iPod line and there's no way they are going to blow it - there will be One More Thing that makes this uniquely desirable.

[~Shard~]

We're still in Daylight Savings Time, so that's PDT. But we all knew that. ;)

Yes, I think we all have the capacity to figure that one out. ;)

[nexusfx]

Wow Powerbooks may not be the first to convert to Intel - I'd say that Steve should update these at least once more with PPC architecture before they switch over.

A lot of professionals who use Powerbooks aren't going to want to switch over to Intel right away - the software won't all be compatible. Therefore, they're going to want a new PPC Powerbook - not one that's already 9 months out of date!

I could see it happening don't get me wrong, I just don't think with rumors of the very small update it would be worth doing, though if they did something better than .03 GHz and DDR2 I'd be all for it myself.

Honestly though, as behind as those Powerbooks are, I do think they should be the first to get updated, they need something bad....that is unless they have some low power Dual Core G4 to tide them over until everyone is ready, then.....go for it.

[Lepton]

Tiki Bar TV would be huge fun, but my guess is it will be Rocketboom. Check out those very worthy video podcasts folks, those and a lot more are already on iTunes.

I'm expecting the 80GB video iPod, Apple Express with video, and iTunes sales of SHORT items like music video, news, weather, BBC short features, and stuff like you can see on Current TV (Al Gore's TV channel featuring short viewer-created content - Gore is on the Apple board, let's remember). No videos longer than perhaps 5 minutes. The sold music videos will have higher quality audio and Apple DRM. And of course there'll be an explosion in free video podcasts.

[abhishake]

This is going to be great being able to watch That 70's Show in the back of my quantum physics class! yaayyy I can't wait. (Good thing I sold my Nano for $230 the other day to some guy on Ebay!)

I love that 70s show. And I think that there is a much bigger market than what people realize. What about home videos? The ability to play them from your iPod directly to your TV is an excellent feature. If they can sync iMovie with the iPod the way they synced iPhoto with the Photo iPod, then what problem do people have? And, pirating (THOUGH I'M NOT ONE), a lot of people are.. They will gobble the item up. AND, i'm sure Apple has some basis to release the video iPod. They must have worked out a way to export DVDs and the sort to your iPod. If that happens, then what are people going to argue about?

I always sell my iPod the day before the new ones come out. Right now for auction is my 20GB U2 Photo iPod. Selling for about $270 with a couple of hours left.

[danistheman50]

A video ipod would be awesome.. but i just bought a nano

Sell it on Ebay! I just bought a Nano and sold it on Ebay for $230

[ccperkdog]

Following up on the video blog "Tiki TV" mentioned by a previous poster, it seems that some Video Podcasts have been pulled offline this evening on the iTMS. Visits to a few Web sites have indications of new episodes to debut tomorrow. Free content for the Video iPod!?

Check out http://tikibartv.blogspot.com/

One of the better ones and available (tomorrow) in the iTMS Podcast Directory ;-)

[Xephian]

I hope there are new Power Mac updates. Apple needs to stop doing so much with the iPods and more with the computers.

[amateurmacfreak]

I have a job interview tomorrow during the event. :(

I hope to catch the fun here afterwards

Yeah, what time do you think it will be posted on Mac Rumors (or on-line for that matter)? Btw, love the signature.

[Aeolius]

Hopefully they will release a surprise tablet, media center - ANYTHING other than just an 'video' ipod.

Agreed. I have no interest in music videos and no time for watching other people's blogs.

[ja0912]

x

[Alvin777]

Hi. I belive there will be video on your current colored screen iPods (won't be necessarily a new iPod coz' they just launch Nano) and that it will have MTV music downloads because some songs in the current iTunes promote hit singles with videos. For more information on this prediction log on to:

http://www.applecatholic.com


God bless,
Alvin

[AtHomeBoy_2000]

Interesting note here:
I was reading pm a few message boards that Motorola is rolling out Set-top Boxes that can move DVR content anywhere in the house. Included with that is the ability to move vieos off the DVR and onto a mobile device (the demonstrator used a cell phone). Since APlle is working with Moto on the cell phone, maybe they are working on an agreement to download content from DVRs until Apple makes it own. That would add a whole other level of usefullness.

[ja0912]

x

[quackattack]

I agree with alot of you in this thread. I would much rather see 80GB than video. Of course both would be the ultimate. :)

I just want an iPod I can put ALL my music on...... come on 80GB!

[ozlow]

Hi. I belive there will be video on your current colored screen iPods (won't be necessarily a new iPod coz' they just launch Nano) and that it will have MTV music downloads because some songs in the current iTunes promote hit singles with videos. For more information on this prediction log on to:

http://www.applecatholic.com


God bless,
Alvin

Just so you know... There's only one God... Steve Jobs

[thymac]

i cant take this anymore. just introduce the dam things already. honestly im waiting for the rebirth of the newton os so they can create an ipod/newton

[RONIN1138]

Is this a computer company or a media player company? I appreciate what the iPod has done for this great computer company. But, if there is not a serious Powerbook update tomorrow I will be pretty upset.

[nexusfx]

Just so you know... There's only one God... Steve Jobs

Amen Brother

[iGary]

Just so you know... There's only one God... Steve Jobs

Amen.

[BornAgainMac]

It's not the small screen. I would love to have something that plays Quicktime / H.264 from Apple in a handheld. Ever try to scrub thru video with Windows Media to find something.

[Whyren]

i cant take this anymore. just introduce the dam things already. honestly im waiting for the rebirth of the newton os so they can create an ipod/newton

Ooo...an iPewton. :D

[powerbook911]

If they go to video iPod, I think it should start at 40 gig, not 30 gig. 30 gig seems small, for video. I have a 30 gig photo, and it is almost entirely filled.

[JCT]

Hint to new PowerMacs… UK and other European AppleStores now shows 7-10 days shipping for dual 2.3GHz. 15" and 17" PowerBooks from 5 days…

I'm dying to complete my switch with a G5 at work ...adding *anything* to the Dual 2.3 (including a simple RAM boost) knocks the wait to 7 - 10 days in the EDU store ... I've also toyed with the idea of going with a 15" as a portable-desktop option, but the wait for those is up to 1-2 weeks! Maybe something really is up. :D

And I would definitely be interested in an 80 GB iPod, I just picked up a super portable Amplifier that has now nicely exposed the limitations of my current mp3 settings ...need some room to go all Apple lossless !

Come on Apple!

JT

[Raidersmojo]

how about a powerbook update? I'm getting so sick of ipods!!!!!

I am going to put cash down for a powerbook and airport extreme base station....my credit card is waiting apple lets make something happen

[Triplenickle]

Can someone confirm the time for the event tomorrow?

Is it 10 am PST???

thnx

Yes 10am PDT

[RONIN1138]

I am in the same boat.
If it's a new Powerbook my order is in.
How a about a black one with a dual core?
Call it G4 and 1/2 but just put it out there.
Okay, I really need to get a life now.


how about a powerbook update? I'm getting so sick of ipods!!!!!

I am going to put cash down for a powerbook and airport extreme base station....my credit card is waiting apple lets make something happen

[dornoforpyros]

uggg, honestly it doesn't matter what's announced tommoro, it could be a freaking 22" dual core-g5 powerbook as well as video iPods and people would still be like "what a dissapointment apple! Maby I should switch dell"

this whole thing has been WAAAY over hyped.

[DavidLeblond]

Its got to be something to do with the iTMS... I don't know if anyone has mentioned this (too lazy to check) but iTMS didn't update today.

[Stella]

I'm remembering the BBC 'leak'... the BBC don't usually go around publishing BS.

I really think there is something in Video iPod.. even if TS do flip flop, they've missed a fair bit recently...

[Porchland]

Innovative new products? With an s?

Mmmmmm.

[chubad]

From the confrence call on earnings today.
Tim Cook: "We have some very cool PowerPC-based Macs in the pipeline" :D

Bring em on!

[bdkennedy1]

I hope they fix the bugs with video in iTunes after the event such as exiting full screen mode after one video in Party Shuffle and (feature) playing video on a second monitor. I'm also interested in the fact the he talked about replacing the old product line. He didn't sound like it was just going to be a 5th generation iPod, but sounded more like we're going to take a trip back to 2001 tomorrow.

[applekid]

Give me iTunes TV Shows Store, and I'm sold!

And an updated AirPort Express for video.

Toss in a PowerMac G5 and PowerBook update for good measure.

Center the whole thing on video. At the moment, I suspect only iPod and maybe AirPort Express announcements will be made at this press event, as ThinkSecret suggests.

PM G5's and PB's don't need a flashy introduction.

[GFLPraxis]

This'll sound crazy, but what I really want is a video-in and video-out. Turn the iPod into a DVR. :D


Anyway, as long as there is an iTunes TV Show Store that I can get Smallville episodes from, or an iMovie Store, and it has video-out, I'll buy my first iPod :D

[pjmurphy77]

Its got to be something to do with the iTMS... I don't know if anyone has mentioned this (too lazy to check) but iTMS didn't update today.Yes, there was an update today (go to New Releases -> See All..

[age234]

I can't believe how pissy some of the people are being. Can some of you all be happy about something for once? Apple knows what it's doing. Give them a little credit. Enough with the whining. Be happy for them.

I'm not sure, but Apple still makes computers. But let me check...yes, they still have computers on the online store. Oh, what's this? Apple is switching to Intel? Well, looks like they're still going to make computers. Stop whining. I think the weekly "new PB this Tuesday" posts aren't helping anything, and are only contributing to hype that can't be lived up to. Steve could unveil a 1" thick dual G5 PB tomorrow and someone would find some way to whine about it.

Apple doesn't work on your timetable, you don't know what's best for Apple, so quit griping.

*rubs hands together* Video iPod... :D And that DVR idea is great,.

[cxny]

Does anyone know if Apple Soho is screening this event? It's fun to sit with fellow geeks and watch Steve doing his JOB at these events.

[AvSRoCkCO1067]

I'm remembering the BBC 'leak'... the BBC don't usually go around publishing BS.

I really think there is something in Video iPod.. even if TS do flip flop, they've missed a fair bit recently...

TS changed their minds too...

[Xtremehkr]

The positive impact the iPod has is showing, but Apple is still not capitalizing fully on the potential. They could be doing a lot more to bring their main products to the forefront. Maybe that will come after the move to Intel.

[destroyboredom]

Love to know what company. I checked my system today at one of those companies and didn't see anything yet.

I know for a FACT that a video ipod will be introduced. cough, big companies most likely already added this item to their system.

[Mr Maui]

The positive impact the iPod has is showing, but Apple is still not capitalizing fully on the potential. They could be doing a lot more to bring their main products to the forefront. Maybe that will come after the move to Intel.
Um ... newsflash ... iPod may soon BECOME their main product. Conference call this afternoon said Macs were 60 percent of revenue, iPods were 40% of revenue. iPods have higher profit margins than Macs. Haven't seen all of the numbers but actual profits may be larger from iPods than from Macs.

[soapsuds]

On the video issue, I feel like there might be a rift in iPod users similar to the issue with iPhoto. Watching feature length movies on a tiny screen is bad for a variety of reasons well-described in other posts. However, people with kids take lots and lots of photographs and movies of their children and want to show them to other people at any time, such as a barbecue where they won't be toting a laptop. Even the current size of screen on the iPod is not too different from a "wallet-sized" photograph.

Another, younger market is people who like to take videos of their friends doing goofy things. While not everyone has a firewire-equipped video camera, most people now have digital cameras that can take little movies, of a quality and length probably more suited to a tiny screen than the latest 60" HDTV. I bet if I had a video iPod that could play them back, I would probably use this feature far more often, especially if the unit had a small speaker so that you could pass it around (earbud-style headphones don't really lend themselves to sharing).

With even fairly low-end cell-phones having cameras, it seems like a video iPod should have the ability to record video, either with a built-in or accessory camera, preferably one made by Apple and fully supported rather than some hacky add-on.

[StkhlmSyndrm23]

The vascilation back and forth on these rumors just goes to show that we really don't know what sort of rabbit Steve will be pulling out of his hat tomorrow. Err... what sort of iPod out of his jeans.

I really hope we see upgraded PM's and PB's tomorrow, though, as well. Those ship times certainly seem to suggest so.

[nagromme]

People are still talking about 80 GB, which would be cool, but ThinkSecret has essentially withdrawn that prediction (which was never firm) and now suggests 30 and 60 GB. Steel yourselves for a possible few months more wait if 60 isn't enough.


honestly im waiting for the rebirth of the newton os so they can create an ipod/newton
I'd rather have OS X in my pocket, but resurrecting the Newton name would be kinda cool :)


:mad: :mad: Well... tomorrow may make it official. Apple is no longer a computer company but a sony want to be.
...
I hope Apple remembers where it's roots are... :( :(
I can't reveal my source so don't ask, but a VERY reliable person in the know told me that Apple is planning to switch to Intel chips next year, and has ALREADY ported OS X, ported iLife, and given tools to developers to port their apps. If this is true, then Apple is very busy on the computer side of things, with great stuff in the works. And what if (this is me speculating now) they have new Macs coming even before the Intel switch?


Its got to be something to do with the iTMS... I don't know if anyone has mentioned this (too lazy to check) but iTMS didn't update today.
The Tuesday freebies etc. are supposedly always delayed to Wednesday when Monday is a holiday (Columbus Day).

[Porchland]

Its got to be something to do with the iTMS... I don't know if anyone has mentioned this (too lazy to check) but iTMS didn't update today.

There was new content today, but the front page didn't roll. When you click on the Jamie Cullum pre-order promo, for example, you can actually buy the album. I think the same thing happened the week the Madonna catalog came out: all the new content went up except Madonna and Harry Potter, which were added when the front page finally rolled with iTunes 5.

[EricNau]

If they came out with an iPod Video, would it be an upgrade to the current model, or a whole new model seperate from the curent iPod?

[Whyren]

Video iPod? Perhaps...but maybe...

Can anyone say, Goople? :D :p

[Stella]

I would imagine Apple would want people to buy a new iPod rather than being able to upgrade their current 4G colour iPod.

If they came out with an iPod Video, would it be an upgrade to the current model, or a whole new model seperate from the curent iPod?

[Porchland]

I can't reveal my source so don't ask, but a VERY reliable person in the know told me that Apple is planning to switch to Intel chips next year, and has ALREADY ported OS X, ported iLife, and given tools to developers to port their apps.

Excuse me if I missed some irony, but this has all been announced.

[abhishake]

Video iPod? Perhaps...but maybe...

Can anyone say, Goople? :D :p


That is so hot.. Those are my two fav. companies.

[bankshot]

They must have worked out a way to export DVDs and the sort to your iPod. If that happens, then what are people going to argue about?

If that happens, then I'd be much more receptive to the idea of portable video. Still, even then I believe it's not nearly the "killer app" that portable audio has been. People carried audio with them since the day the Walkman came out. And they've always wanted to carry more than just a few tapes/CDs. MP3 players, and eventually the iPod, satisfied that long-standing desire. It filled a need that already existed in the market.

I don't see a similar overwhelming need or desire in the market for portable video. Car DVD players are taking off, especially for families with kids, but that makes sense in the car, when the kids are bored to death. Who else is carrying their DVDs around with them on a daily basis like people used to carry tapes and CDs for their Walkmans?

Maybe this will be more like the Walkman and create a new market need/desire, but I remain ever the skeptic. :p

As for whether Apple has even got a way to import DVDs just like we import CDs into iTunes now, I believe that's extremely unlikely right now. My reasons include:

The movie industry is even more paranoid than the music industry about piracy. No way they let Apple release a way to rip DVDs.
Even if Steve Jobs can apply his RDF and industry connections (he is CEO of Pixar, after all) to convince movie execs to allow this, they still have to come up with a way to preserve DRM on commercial DVDs to prevent unauthorized copying. Difficult task at best.
Steve Jobs is part of the movie industry. He has a vested interest in preventing piracy and/or making us all buy new copies of Pixar movies for our new iPods.
Heck, the whole movie industry would like to resell us the same movies again in a new format just for this. See UMD movies for PSP.
Imported movies will have to be compressed so an iPod could hold a reasonable number of them. This takes a huge amount of time. A reasonably fast machine might compress a full length movie to H.264 in 20 hours. Maybe longer. Nobody wants to wait that long when you can import a CD in 5-10 minutes.

For similar reasons, online distribution of movies isn't ready just yet - a full length movie is a much bigger download than a similar length set of music. Needs a few more years to kick up broadband speeds and get the tech stragglers off of modems. Frankly, I don't see portable video being more than a novelty or niche application until we can import DVDs or buy online like we do with music now. It may be a quite a long time before the technical and legal hurdles are overcome.

With that, I'm fully prepared to eat these words if something huge happens tomorrow, I'm just not betting on it. Not yet. :D

[thymac]

you know whats gong to end up happening with these video ipods right? their not going to sell after a while. so many people have a psp, ds, or ipod linux with video capability already on their ipod photos. you can even watch movies on a gameboy micro with play yan. there is really no need for it unless you have a 4th generation with a black and grey screen. who wants to watch music videos all the time aswell as movies. two thirds of the time unless your on a trip, you not even going to be using it for video capability. unless your in college where your in a class with 50+ students and you cant get caught withe headphones on, your going to get caught. if anyone here is in highschool or middleschool, good luck trying to hide it if a video ipod is released. the most stupid thing about all this is that just because it says One more thing on a card where the background is a red curtain, doesn't have to mean it's relating to movies. i have s velvet red curtain just like it at the major college auditorium on my campus. it can be for anything but the fact that people just assumed red curtain which used to be used for movies which is not true at all (myself being a film major taking film history currently) means a video ipod is rediculous. yes there probably will be some type of iPod, powerbook, and powermac update. if anything the iPod update will be the biggest, being a smaller, and new colored ipod. the powerbook and powermac updates will defiantley be small. there is no need for a major update now especially with design. at most they will be speed updates, along with a possible video update. actually i wouldnt be suprised if they did something with the screens or graphics cards of the powerbooks, which isnt that big of an update anyway. lets think steve said the intel where going to come out starting mid to late 2006 and everything would be on intel hopefully by 2007. what makes you think their ready to put intel chips in powerbooks now? especially with the new yonah chip sereies amongst others that they are making for laptops. my othe question for you all is why would they do it now? he only anounced this a few months ago. did you really expect the first mac's with intel chips this fast? i sure didnt. they earliest is obviously MWSF. so people stop and think for just a moment before thinking its going to be a major ipod, powerbook, or powermac update.

[abhishake]

http://cgi.ebay.com/Apple-iPod-U2-Special-Edition-20-GB-M9787LL-A-MP3_W0QQitemZ5818155910QQcategoryZ67838QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

My ipod just sold!!! SWEET!!

[bankshot]

I can't believe how pissy some of the people are being. Can some of you all be happy about something for once?

Sorry. Some of us just forgot that this is HappyAppleWorship.com, where only positive thoughts about Apple are allowed. :rolleyes: :D

[age234]

I don't see a similar overwhelming need or desire in the market for portable video. Car DVD players are taking off, especially for families with kids, but that makes sense in the car, when the kids are bored to death. Who else is carrying their DVDs around with them on a daily basis like people used to carry tapes and CDs for their Walkmans?

Maybe this will be more like the Walkman and create a new market need/desire, but I remain ever the skeptic. :p

Well, I may be biased because I go to a film/animation/audio production school, but I see people watching movies on their PSPs all the time. And if Apple finds a way to work with the PSP DVD discs, they could really have something there.

But you're right, this is more a comparison to the Walkman when it first came out than with the iPod today. It probably is a little before its time. But I think Apple has something with a video iPod.

And don't forget 3rd party peripherals. If companies start making really cool peripherals for them (let's not forget all these kinds of things--there could be connections to larger portable screens, compatibility with DVRs, and all kinds of things coming down the road that have nothing to do with Apple), it would make it even better.

Sorry. Some of us just forgot that this is HappyAppleWorship.com, where only positive thoughts about Apple are allowed.

No, I'm not trying to be a yes-man. I just think a lot of people are being very short-sighted about this. Just give it a chance, that's all. I mean, I can't think of a lot of cases where I can say, "Apple, come on. What were you thinking?" about big-time things like this, can you?

[makki]

if there will be no update on apple computers tomorrow I will switch to PC :mad:


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but i will buy the video ipod :D

and go back to mac when the intel macs come :D

[thymac]

if there will be no update on apple computers tomorrow I will switch to PC :mad:


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but i will buy the video ipod :D

and go back to mac when the intel macs come :D
there will be updates on some computers but most likely not that big. you must remember this will be the last update if there is any for th powerpc line until the intel machines arrive. these machines are amost as good as they can get when it comes to the powerpc line.

[Peace]

The iPod video will be one of the many "One More Thing"'s introduced tomorrow.

[EricNau]

Originally Posted by Peace
The iPod video will be one of the many "One More Thing"'s introduced tomorrow.
I hope they update everything but the iMac G5 and the Airport Express. Why you ask? Because currently I have the most updated iMac (and I'd like it to stay that way for a little while longer), and I just bought a Airport Express after the Paris Expo thinking it wouldn't be updated

[nichtsicher]

Oh I feel sick with anticipation! Here is Aus it will be 3am and I will sitting here on my Athlon, biting my fingern nails, waiting for a new powerbook release. I shall be camping out front of one of the Apple stores in Melbourne if there is an announcement. I just hope there is a powerbook update. EVEN IF IT"S MINOR!

I feel sick

Anyone have any reassuring words or evidence of a powerbook update?

[danistheman50]

http://cgi.ebay.com/Apple-iPod-U2-Special-Edition-20-GB-M9787LL-A-MP3_W0QQitemZ5818155910QQcategoryZ67838QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

My ipod just sold!!! SWEET!!

heck yeah...nice job! Time to get an iPod AV :D :D

[berkleeboy210]

Oh I feel sick with anticipation! Here is Aus it will be 3am and I will sitting here on my Athlon, biting my fingern nails, waiting for a new powerbook release. I shall be camping out front of one of the Apple stores in Melbourne if there is an announcement. I just hope there is a powerbook update. EVEN IF IT"S MINOR!

I feel sick

Anyone have any reassuring words or evidence of a powerbook update?

Within the Next week is the last I heard, probably a quiet update on Tuesday the 18th

[nagromme]

Anyone have any reassuring words or evidence of a powerbook update?
Only this: if there is none, then maybe the next update is so minor that it didn't fit the event well. So check back in one week! PowerBooks ARE due for one last PPC update, and the time is right.

[thymac]

The iPod video will be one of the many "One More Thing"'s introduced tomorrow.
no it wont

[clcnyc]

no it wont
yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes

[Peace]

no it wont

Betcha ;)

[thymac]

Betcha ;)
ill put an a bet for nothing on it. just my word that no ipod video will be released. winner gets bragging rights and i or you get to feel stupid? how abou that? plus the feeling stupid only lasts for day yeah

[tcn33]

you know whats gong to end up happening with these video ipods right? their not going to sell after a while. blah blah blah piss moan bitch i can't spell either

Just thought I'd summarize.

People don't seem to understand that just because they don't have any interest in a product, that doesn't mean Apple can't/won't release it. For the millions of us worldwide who take public transport, or want to show digital home movies to the grandparents, or who want to keep the kids quiet, the video iPod is highly anticipated and will sell like hotcakes.

Many of us have no interest in high-end Powermac or PowerBook updates. That doesn't mean we're posting "You all are morons. The idea of a dual G5 Powermac is rediculous [sic]".

[mi5moav]

Hopefully we will also see shiny new black ipod shuffles.. the end of the Ipod U2 and a new black 30/60G ipod plus a new vpod with 3 new games for the ipods with widget support.

I hope Apple has struck a deal with the networks that would allow us to purchase Television program episodes from itunes. I hate VCRs but what if itunes could catalog the last 10 years of Television shows. Bye Bye Tivo hello vpod. My wife would love this. Instead of having to hunt down a missed episode of sponge bob square pants we just pay 1.99 and we can download it to the mac and then use the new airport wireles with video push to watch the show on the Tube.

[Peace]

ill put an a bet for nothing on it. just my word that no ipod video will be released. winner gets bragging rights and i or you get to feel stupid? how abou that? plus the feeling stupid only lasts for day yeah

Hell I cant lose this bet.I feel stupid already!

But you're on :)

[Sedulous]

Oh Yeah!
http://www.steveswrestling.com/misc/randysavage.jpg

[berkleeboy210]

Oh Yeah!
http://www.steveswrestling.com/misc/randysavage.jpg

LMAO!! The Macho Man was Awesome

[projectle]

Well, I sure feel like a dick-hole for buying this new 17" Powerbook 2 weeks ago...

If they come out with a dual-core one and it simply replaces the existing ones with the same price (most likely given Apple's past), then I really got screwed with an elephant's... you get the point.

I sure as hell hope that if they are comming out tomorrow than I can convince one of the salesmen at the local Apple store in allowing me to "trade-up" to the new one, however I severely doubt it.

[Aaon]

I have a headache from reading the articles about this event. Video ipod, no video ipod, powerbooks, no powerbooks, powermacs, no powermacs... I usually really look forward to these announcements, but for some reason this time I just want to get it over with so I can move on with my life!

Though updated powerbooks sure would be nice.... :p

[berkleeboy210]

Well, I sure feel like a dick-hole for buying this new 17" Powerbook 2 weeks ago...

If they come out with a dual-core one and it simply replaces the existing ones with the same price (most likely given Apple's past), then I really got screwed with an elephant's... you get the point.

I sure as hell hope that if they are comming out tomorrow than I can convince one of the salesmen at the local Apple store in allowing me to "trade-up" to the new one, however I severely doubt it.

I read earlier that PB's won't be going dual core, just SLIGHT speed bumps probably maxing out at 1.8ghz (MAYBE 2.0ghz). I'm assuming you have the 1.67ghz Model. I have the 15" Version of it and its a great machine just be happy with what you got and start saving up for the Intel Macs.

[Trowaman]

Oh Yeah!
http://www.steveswrestling.com/misc/randysavage.jpg

NO! Find a picture of the Kool-aid man.

Drew Barrymore on her Kool-aid man boyfriend: "He keeps my tongue really red . . . see?"

[m-dogg]

you know whats gong to end up happening with these video ipods right? their not going to sell after a while. so many people have a psp, ds, or ipod linux with video capability already on their ipod photos. you can even watch movies on a gameboy micro with play yan. there is really no need for it unless you have a 4th generation with a black and grey screen. who wants to watch music videos all the time aswell as movies. two thirds of the time unless your on a trip, you not even going to be using it for video capability. unless your in college where your in a class with 50+ students and you cant get caught withe headphones on, your going to get caught. if anyone here is in highschool or middleschool, good luck trying to hide it if a video ipod is released. the most stupid thing about all this is that just because it says One more thing on a card where the background is a red curtain, doesn't have to mean it's relating to movies. i have s velvet red curtain just like it at the major college auditorium on my campus. it can be for anything but the fact that people just assumed red curtain which used to be used for movies which is not true at all (myself being a film major taking film history currently) means a video ipod is rediculous. yes there probably will be some type of iPod, powerbook, and powermac update. if anything the iPod update will be the biggest, being a smaller, and new colored ipod. the powerbook and powermac updates will defiantley be small. there is no need for a major update now especially with design. at most they will be speed updates, along with a possible video update. actually i wouldnt be suprised if they did something with the screens or graphics cards of the powerbooks, which isnt that big of an update anyway. lets think steve said the intel where going to come out starting mid to late 2006 and everything would be on intel hopefully by 2007. what makes you think their ready to put intel chips in powerbooks now? especially with the new yonah chip sereies amongst others that they are making for laptops. my othe question for you all is why would they do it now? he only anounced this a few months ago. did you really expect the first mac's with intel chips this fast? i sure didnt. they earliest is obviously MWSF. so people stop and think for just a moment before thinking its going to be a major ipod, powerbook, or powermac update.

Wow. man, do everyone a favor and break a long post like this into paragraphs. I got tired of reading 1/4 way through...

[amin]

Things I'd rather see tomorrow than a video ipod:
1) New PBs (even though my 15" PB is only a few months old)
2) New PMs
3) Apple phone (I know it won't happen tomorrow)
4) Full-feature Apple PDA (I know it's not gonna happen)
5) 80 GB color ipod with gapless playback and no video
6) Mac mini upgrade
7) etc

The idea of a video ipod is totally unappealing to me.

[jaredbbauer]

Is this a computer company or a media player company? I appreciate what the iPod has done for this great computer company. But, if there is not a serious Powerbook update tomorrow I will be pretty upset.

Yeah and I bet Steve and company really care about how you feel. :)

[gugy]

:mad: :mad: Well... tomorrow may make it official. Apple is no longer a computer company but a sony want to be. The powerbooks should of had a nice update months ago, everything needed is out there. If they are not updated, one has to wonder what Apples intentions are. I have heard all the talk of how sweet they are now, but that is just rationalizing to avoid the fact that they are TOO long in the tooth.

Steve Jobs release the updates!! :mad: :mad:

As far as an ipod 'video' is concern - I think the market will be very limited. If that is the 'one more thing' - I think it is a waste of time. Just another revision of an ipod like the ipod photo. Hopefully they will release a surprise tablet, media center - ANYTHING other than just an 'video' ipod.

I hope Apple remembers where it's roots are... :( :(

Thank you for your post. I am in 100% agreement with you!
I am so tired of just hearing Ipod announcements. I am tired of seeing Apple put too much emphasis on this TOY. Come on, I know it's a cash cow for Apple, but as you said Apple needs to go back to it's roots and kick ass with a great update for the PowerMac and PowerBook.

Video ipod even thought it could be cool, who really will care about it. It's just another toy, just like the ipod photo. Not many people will use it.
The current ipod line up is great, not the same can be said about the professional line up of computers.

Think Secret should be ashamed of changing their minds so many times in the past week. That just tell you they don't really know any inside information. They are just covering their ass.
I really look forward to have Steve kicking their ass tomorrow and announce something new alongside with PM and PB updates.
;)

[SiliconAddict]

I think I speak for all the Homer Simpsons of the world.....


WOO HOO!!

[gugy]

Yeah and I bet Steve and company really care about how you feel. :)

Well, he should.
The professional folks that buy PBs and PMs as well as Imacs are the most loyal Apple costumers.
Now Apple are selling millions of Ipods, but if one day Apple misses the boat in making them so amazing all the PC people who buy most Ipods will move to the next cool thing and forget about Apple. Meanwhile we the loyal Apple costumers that spent money on Apple during the Gil Amelio's days will continue to support it.
So I say to Steve, keep us happy with great computers.

[abhishake]

Things I'd rather see tomorrow than a video ipod:
1) New PBs (even though my 15" PB is only a few months old)
2) New PMs
3) Apple phone (I know it won't happen tomorrow)
4) Full-feature Apple PDA (I know it's not gonna happen)
5) 80 GB color ipod with gapless playback and no video
6) Mac mini upgrade
7) etc

The idea of a video ipod is totally unappealing to me.

I don't understand why people are so against the video iPod. Do you think that Apple will just realease a POS? I highly doubt it. I don't know of Anything that is branded with the Apple name that I wouldn't buy. And here people are saying, woah, the VIDEO IPOD IS GOING TO SUCK.. Why?

Here are some benefits, even if you don't use the video:

1. Bigger Screen
2. Smaller iPod
3. Larger HD (My Guess)

These are just some of the things that are going to be added on.. Why not buy it if it's at the same price.. And somebody said that they won't even sell, that's just ridiculous.

They'll sell more, that's my guess. I've been pretty much perfect on guessing what's going to be released, maybe I should start a rumor site.

[whenpaulsparks]

i would love a video ipod, but i'd love a video airport express as rumored even more. i have an ipod, but what i get the most use of is my airport express, playing music wirelessly from my powerbook or powermac g4 to my surround speakers. and with my HDTV, i'd love a video one. they need to drop the USB port on it, no one uses it because it works with like 5 printers out there, and add HD video streaming. it already has 5.1 output, i just dont know how it works, since itunes doesnt have 5.1...

but i do want powermac updates. i'm REALLY going to be buying a g5 soon, ignoring the intel craze since thats still 3/4 year away and i need a g5 sooner than later, and i could just sell my g5 at that point. i'm in content creation, so ive gotten to the point where final cut pro 4.5 isnt enough for me, and i need motion, which won't install on my machine. and a dual core g5 would be perfect for that. with or without updates, i'm still getting a new g5 within the month, but a newer one would be nice.

[1984]

"Think Secret initially reported that the iPod update arriving tomorrow--all but confirmed in Apple's conference call this afternoon discussing its fourth quarter earnings--would sport a smaller enclosure in capacities up to 80GB."

I love how they try to make it sound like they were right all along. Truth is they denied the existence of any iPod originally. Hell, they even denied the existence of iPods at the last event too. I just hope we see some new computer hardware soon.

[notjustjay]

Excuse me if I missed some irony,

Yup. :D

[1984]

Hopefully we will also see shiny new black ipod shuffles.. the end of the Ipod U2 and a new black 30/60G ipod plus a new vpod with 3 new games for the ipods with widget support.



But what of poor Harry Potter?

[aswitcher]

Anyone have any reassuring words or evidence of a powerbook update?


Nothing is for sure, but next week might be a better bet hearing some of the discussion...

[SiliconAddict]

PS- Its pretty obvious Thank Secret is now pw0ned by Apple. Me thinks the leaky Apple has been plugged and they are selectively feeding TS random stuff.
TS's track record in all likelihood is because of a couple moles in Apple. Once that asset dried up TS is back to where they were a couple years ago. Hit and miss rumors. We'll see at noon tomorrow just how successful Apple has been.

[Peace]

"Think Secret initially reported that the iPod update arriving tomorrow--all but confirmed in Apple's conference call this afternoon discussing its fourth quarter earnings--would sport a smaller enclosure in capacities up to 80GB."

I love how they try to make it sound like they were right all along. Truth is they denied the existence of any iPod originally. Hell, they even denied the existence of iPods at the last event too. I just hope we see some new computer hardware soon.

Unfortunatly these numerous contradictions by Thinksecret might well bring the death squad to Appleinsider.

[RONIN1138]

Well, he should.
The professional folks that buy PBs and PMs as well as Imacs are the most loyal Apple costumers.
Now Apple are selling millions of Ipods, but if one day Apple misses the boat in making them so amazing all the PC people who buy most Ipods will move to the next cool thing and forget about Apple. Meanwhile we the loyal Apple costumers that spent money on Apple during the Gil Amelio's days will continue to support it.
So I say to Steve, keep us happy with great computers.

I could not have said it better myself. Okay, I would have spelled customer properly. (just kidding!)
Anyway, thanks for the well worded statement.

[SiliconAddict]

But what of poor Harry Potter?

He was fed to the werewolves and hopefully we will never hear his name uttered again.

[iAlan]

Havgn't read all the posts, sorry, but I hope playback capability will be available for all iPod photo and iPod's with colour screens?

Again, I haven't read everything, but is it that we will get iPod's with video playback as opposed to 'video iPod's' which would have a different form factor and larger screen?

Not sure what to make of this either way...

[w_parietti22]

I don't know what to think becuase they keep changing their mind... I'm just gonna wait and see. :)

[caccamolle]

truly. ThinkSecret is merely loosing it. They've predicted all possible product announcements for tomorrow. Pathetic.

The ONLY thing for sure that is happening tomorrow is updated POWERBOOKS. It is just so incredibly obvious. This much I know, the rest I have no clue.

[SiliconAddict]

God damn it people. If there are any PowerBook updates it going to be for crap. Why can't people get it through their thick head Apple is going to have a computer blitz next year? Get your panties out of your crack and chill. god. It’s like dealing with a 8 year old before Christmas. You just want to smack em and tell them to shut up. Thankfully I have no plans to be a parent. :p

[1984]

Yeah and I bet Steve and company really care about how you feel. :)

They should be. It's amazing they sold as many Macs as they did but they can't rely on the iPod halo effect forever. They need to update their computer product line.

[RONIN1138]

I have heard from a very reliable source that the "one more thing" WILL be a new powerbook driven by a new processor chip called the flux capacitor 2.0 with dual titty overdrive.
I've had enough. I just want to go to sleep and wake up at 10:15 am. :)

[lucas]

can someone tell us what PDT in the more useful form GMT+/-XX for those of us who live on the other side of the world and have no idea how many hours difference it is?

[bjmorgan]

Is Apple still selling them in their Store? I can't find them.

[Peace]

can someone tell us what PDT in the more useful form GMT+/-XX for those of us who live on the other side of the world and have no idea how many hours difference it is?

Ok..

For any person that has OSX Tiger..

Use the clock widget..

open one up and set it to cupertino,california..
open another one up and set it to your time..

Look at both...
When the cupertino clock says 10AM...Thats when the one more thing starts

M'K ? ;)

[Shattering Fast]

I never doubted you for a second podfuture ;) .

[mongoos150]

I will be seriously dissapointed and upset if there are no PB updates tomorow. Come on Apple - please - get back to your roots.

[makki]

can someone tell us what PDT in the more useful form GMT+/-XX for those of us who live on the other side of the world and have no idea how many hours difference it is?


12PM PDT = 7PM GMT

[bikertwin]

Wasn't there an Apple patent a few months ago showing some sort of bogus looking iPod-docking-inside-an-iBook thingy? What if that was the technology behind the new iPod video "accessory"? That way, you could have your cake and eat it too.

A "regular" iPod that is small and compact and only plays music.

An "accessory" that's just a glorified video screen into which an iPod docks--this allows it to display video.

Just a thought. Those Apple patent diagrams are always hiding something. :cool:

[Shattering Fast]

damn you people with good timezones, When the event starts it'll be like 4:00am here.

[dejo]

can someone tell us what PDT in the more useful form GMT+/-XX for those of us who live on the other side of the world and have no idea how many hours difference it is?

PDT = GMT-7

[1984]

God damn it people. If there are any PowerBook updates it going to be for crap. Why can't people get it through their thick head Apple is going to have a computer blitz next year? Get your panties out of your crack and chill. god. It’s like dealing with a 8 year old before Christmas. You just want to smack em and tell them to shut up. Thankfully I have no plans to be a parent. :p

Wow. Relax. Agree with you on the parent thing but Apple cannot continue selling the current PowerBooks and PowerMacs for another six months as they are. They need a fresh lineup to hold them over until then not the stale one they have now.

[dejo]

12PM PDT = 7PM GMT

And FYI, this special Apple event starts at 10AM PDT (5PM GMT)

[brepublican]

I have heard from a very reliable source that the "one more thing" WILL be a new powerbook driven by a new processor chip called the flux capacitor 2.0 with dual titty overdrive.
I've had enough. I just want to go to sleep and wake up at 10:15 am. :)
I heard from reliable sources that the following shall be the update being announced tomorrow (actually today):

Tetris made available on all iPods by firmware update.
That game is so huge they called a whole 'nother "One more thing..." for it. Understandably so. Its been a long time overdue.

Also, on a lesser note, Powerbooks to get a 0.03GHz processor bump...
:rolleyes:

[kupua]

Only proves that Thinksecret doesn't know what the hell they're talking about any more. What kind of news source publishes, blows smoke in another direction, and back pedals.

Everyone knows that the larger iPod models are not selling. Unless they release full length movies, the larger HD will not be big sellers...Nano's are the new form factor future. Unless a 10" iBook, flip tablet is in the cards...cross the fingers...

[GFLPraxis]

If that happens, then I'd be much more receptive to the idea of portable video. Still, even then I believe it's not nearly the "killer app" that portable audio has been. People carried audio with them since the day the Walkman came out. And they've always wanted to carry more than just a few tapes/CDs. MP3 players, and eventually the iPod, satisfied that long-standing desire. It filled a need that already existed in the market.

I don't see a similar overwhelming need or desire in the market for portable video. Car DVD players are taking off, especially for families with kids, but that makes sense in the car, when the kids are bored to death. Who else is carrying their DVDs around with them on a daily basis like people used to carry tapes and CDs for their Walkmans?

Maybe this will be more like the Walkman and create a new market need/desire, but I remain ever the skeptic. :p

As for whether Apple has even got a way to import DVDs just like we import CDs into iTunes now, I believe that's extremely unlikely right now. My reasons include:

The movie industry is even more paranoid than the music industry about piracy. No way they let Apple release a way to rip DVDs.
Even if Steve Jobs can apply his RDF and industry connections (he is CEO of Pixar, after all) to convince movie execs to allow this, they still have to come up with a way to preserve DRM on commercial DVDs to prevent unauthorized copying. Difficult task at best.
Steve Jobs is part of the movie industry. He has a vested interest in preventing piracy and/or making us all buy new copies of Pixar movies for our new iPods.
Heck, the whole movie industry would like to resell us the same movies again in a new format just for this. See UMD movies for PSP.
Imported movies will have to be compressed so an iPod could hold a reasonable number of them. This takes a huge amount of time. A reasonably fast machine might compress a full length movie to H.264 in 20 hours. Maybe longer. Nobody wants to wait that long when you can import a CD in 5-10 minutes.

For similar reasons, online distribution of movies isn't ready just yet - a full length movie is a much bigger download than a similar length set of music. Needs a few more years to kick up broadband speeds and get the tech stragglers off of modems. Frankly, I don't see portable video being more than a novelty or niche application until we can import DVDs or buy online like we do with music now. It may be a quite a long time before the technical and legal hurdles are overcome.

With that, I'm fully prepared to eat these words if something huge happens tomorrow, I'm just not betting on it. Not yet. :D


You have a point about ripping DVD's. Ripping 8 gigs, then compressing it into H.264 and applying a DRM will take ages. Add the time it takes to rip a DVD + the time it takes to author one in iDVD.

However, online distribution would work with broadband connections. People already download torrents like nuts. If Apple put all the movies in H.264, they would take a LOT less space than a normal DVD. Considering a 4.7 GB single-layer DVD with MPEG-2 can hold 2 hours of video plus fancy menu systems and extras...at H.264 it should be much less.

I think online distribution would work...but it may end up a niche as people will need fast connections.

[Mr Maui]

Wow. man, do everyone a favor and break a long post like this into paragraphs. I got tired of reading 1/4 way through...
I just skipped the whole thing. ;)

[1984]

Only proves that AppleInsider doesn't know what the hell they're talking about any more. What kind of news source publishes, blows smoke in another direction, and back pedals.

I think you mean ThinkSecret there. Appleinsider has held firm.

[iEric]

wooo this is exciting. not because i really want to watch video on my iPod. I could care less. I just like the idea that there is a new iPod coming out. And also the Powerbook...EXCITING :) :) :)

[thejakill]

i cant take this anymore. just introduce the dam things already. honestly im waiting for the rebirth of the newton os so they can create an ipod/newton

this would nice... something with a 6" screen, wifi, bluetooth, a couple of USB2 ports on the side, and an ethernet jack. usefull as an ipod/photo/video/internet/email tool.

[joelb51]

is there anything suggesting that the new ipods will have bluetooth or airport???

[age234]

Wasn't there an Apple patent a few months ago showing some sort of bogus looking iPod-docking-inside-an-iBook thingy?

That would be cool. Like the Powerbook Duo. The screen with an iPod dock. If they pull that off well...:cool:

Or 2 different versions. A low-cost laptop shell with an iPod dock and iPod for brains for a half-decent low-power laptop, and just a screen for the "Video iPod".

Or, instead of a laptop shell, a PDA shell with an iPod docking port. The PDA shell would add app support, touchscreen, and all that, but would ultimately run on the iPod, which would show all the same stuff, but with a simpler interface and read-only. Now THAT could be something there...

The iPod Duo PDA... :cool:

[kupua]

1984.

thx, Yeah you're right. I meant to edit but you beat me to it.

[madmaxmedia]

To address some various concerns:

1. Ripping DVD's and 20 hour compression times Maybe this happens, maybe not. But Apple will have talked to movie industry about allowing iTunes ripping feature. Keep in mind that DRM will be applied that limits playback to a single iPod, AND applies a 30 to 60 day limitation to it to prevent amassing movies via NetFlix.

Compression? It won't be H264, it will be MPEG4 or some variant. You can't decode H264 right now in a $299 iPod AV, maybe in a year or so. It will have been hard enough to get MPEG4 decoder that can do decent TV out resolution.

2. The 'Focus' Thing The media focuses on iPods, but Apple is not the media. Do you think that maybe employees at Apple work on an iPods or Mac team, and not the entire workforce working on 1 product at a time? Apple is working on Macs just as hard as it is working on iPods.

In another year or 2, Mac will be the major opportunity for growth for Apple, and they know it.

3. No Video, add gapless/OGG/whatever instead! I sympathize with your pain, but have to point out that adding video doesn't exclude other improvements, and vice versa. If any particular improvement doesn't show up tomorrow, it's not because of video. It's unfortunately because Apple didn't deem it important for now.

4. No Macs, Think Secret said so! Ummm...where have you been in the last month? Think Secret has waffled more than John Kerry in the last month. No iPods at September special event- Oops Nano! No Mac updates until MacWorld...Wait there are new Macs coming Wednesday, but no iPods! Wait! There are iPods AND Macs, but definitely NO VIDEO! WAIT!!! THERE ARE IPOD VIDEOS but NO MACS!!!!

Can you sense a pattern? Tomorrow would be the ideal time to introduce new Macs. My prediction is that PowerBooks get the 7448 but at least a couple of spiffy updates like higher resolution.

Apple is a company on the move. They have shocked the world repeatedly over the last year or more, with such big launches as the Mac Mini, the Nano (replacing the then best selling iPod Mini), the Intel switch, now this...They are taking advantage of the iPod spotlight, and I like what I see.

[mxpiazza]

i've got a 512 shuffle for working out and a 15GB 3rd gen for general use, so i am fairly sure that no matter what the upgrade is, i will be picking something up... unless it is really, really underwhelming, which i am guessing that it wont be, given the hype.

i believe that video does and will have a market, but more for the 'underground' people, who download TV shows onto their HDs, etc... of course, the party line will be to "watch music videos and video podcasts from the iTunes store", but just like the ipods now can play downloaded music, subway riders, students, and other on the go people will be watching family guy and futurama and seinfeld on this thing if and when it comes out.

i think most people would agree that the future of video media, just as music, is going to be digital, and computer delivery, be it through computer like set top boxes or computers themselves. it will be interesting to see how 'open' apple will make the video ipod to different formats of downloaded tv, movies, etc... or maybe they are hoping that it will be such a hit, that the distributors and content providers come to them and want to be open to the ipod, as to help the marketing of their service.

all i know is that although many people dont see the place for the video ipod right now, no one saw a place for a $500 5GB iPod when it first came out either... apple had the foresight to establish the market then, and it hasnt looked back... turned it into the most profitable music store in the world, and they would be stupid to not look at their own business model and corner the next emerging market.

in 5-10 years, the day that the video ipod was released will be just as significant to us as the day that the ipod was released is to us now.

[Peace]

That would be cool. Like the Powerbook Duo. The screen with an iPod dock. If they pull that off well...:cool:

Or 2 different versions. A low-cost laptop shell with an iPod dock and iPod for brains for a half-decent low-power laptop, and just a screen for the "Video iPod".

Or, instead of a laptop shell, a PDA shell with an iPod docking port. The PDA shell would add app support, touchscreen, and all that, but would ultimately run on the iPod, which would show all the same stuff, but with a simpler interface and read-only. Now THAT could be something there...

The iPod Duo PDA... :cool:

Why not just put an SVideo port on the bottom of the iPod.
Connect the video to your screen and the headjack to the stereo.

[Undecided]

they need to drop the USB port on it, no one uses it because it works with like 5 printers out there, and add HD video streaming. it already has 5.1 output, i just dont know how it works, since itunes doesnt have 5.1...


Hey, I use that USB port to wirelessly print to my printer, you insensitive clod! :)

I would really dig a video airport express, though.

[devman]

truly. ThinkSecret is merely loosing it. They've predicted all possible product announcements for tomorrow. Pathetic.


Yeah, funny to read how they write their new stuff to look like they were right all along. Gruber at Daring Fireball has parsed some of their stuff before.

[DavidCar]

is there anything suggesting that the new ipods will have bluetooth or airport???I read something last week, I think linked through appleinsider, that Apple had been studying, or perhaps patented, a wireless iPod device. That doesn't mean they ever decided it was practical, but I think the idea is interesting.

From November 2004:

http://www.engadget.com/entry/3353604371425572/

http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=745

[age234]

Just a really quick crappy mockup.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/tylerdykstra/duo.jpg
http://images.faces.com/io/475722.jpg

Like I said earlier, it could be used as a PDA when docked, but everything would be accessible when in iPod mode, just read-only. It would have a nifty PDA-but-still-Mac-style interface when docked, but iPod interface when undocked. It would be connectable to a TV with S-Video/RCA audio cables in both modes. You would be able to run Keynote presentations with it, which would be cool. Maybe the Duo would even have a slot-loading PSP disc player.

Now that would be my definition of a hot device.

[edit] Whoops. Realized it should turn the other way, since most people are right-handed. Too lazy to fix it. I also noticed I forgot to remove the menu bar over the video image. Oh well...

[itcomesinwaves]

Wasn't there an Apple patent a few months ago showing some sort of bogus looking iPod-docking-inside-an-iBook thingy? What if that was the technology behind the new iPod video "accessory"? That way, you could have your cake and eat it too.

A "regular" iPod that is small and compact and only plays music.

An "accessory" that's just a glorified video screen into which an iPod docks--this allows it to display video....


I like that idea, but instead of having a screen on the device, it just hooks up to your TV. The box has the capability to play video file stored on any recent iPod. This way your friends could bring over their shows to watch on your TV without pissing off the Industry (iPod is linked to content, just like the music store). It could plug into the network via ethernet (sure.. airport, too, why not..) and have a hard drive inside, so you wouldn't have to have the iPod plugged in to watch your shows (or not, maybe two versions?). This the kind of device I've been thinking would be released. It makes more sense to me than a video iPod. Which isn't to say they won't release a video iPod as well for those who want to watch on the go.

My 2 cents. I'm waiting to be proven right...

[bdkennedy1]

Let's just say that Apple is smarter than all of us and we'll just have to wait til 10:15. We've all put our ideas out there so lets just see if Apple listened.

[SiliconAddict]

Wow. Relax. Agree with you on the parent thing but Apple cannot continue selling the current PowerBooks and PowerMacs for another six months as they are. They need a fresh lineup to hold them over until then not the stale one they have now.


Yah but what do they really have for their mobile line-up. People love to talk Freescale. No one even knows if FS is even mass producing the theoretical drop in chips for the PowerBook in mass yet. If they are only starting to ramp up production it could be next year before we see mass quantities and at that point say hello to the Pentium M. And let’s be realistic here. Would Freescale even give a crap about pleasing Apple right now? They are going to be phased out in 6 months anyways. I doubt they are going to bend over backwards to get mass quantities of the drop in just to appease Apple.

When the well is empty of water you dig a new well. There is nothing else to do. You can’t make water just appear as Apple can’t just make the G4 just go faster. Which is what is frusterating me. People expect the impossible from Apple. Of course they are focusing on the iPod. Its all they have for now. It’s what is fueling the transition.
Apple has squeezed the crap out of the G4. At best all that is left is menial GPU upgrades (Even though most of the vendors are going PCI-E which Apple would have to do a mobo redesign for.), screen upgrades, and further price drops.
Everyone keeps screeching for some fantastic new hardware from Apple. Well it’s possible, even probable, we will see dual cores DESKTOPS tomorrow, today. (Gah. Need to get to bed.) 2006 is the year of the Apple blitz, and the year the PowerBook and iBook strikes back against the rest of the industry.

[nomad01]

I've been expecting this for weeks but after reading all the "NOT GONNA HAPPEN!" posts on here, I now have to believe we won't see iPod video.

I mean... come on... how can so many people be wrong when they speak with such authority!?!? :rolleyes:

Rolll on 10am (PDT!)

Steve
(practicing his "told you so" dance ;) )

[mickhyperion]

I predict...

Video Podcasting/Blogging will explode when the Video iPod is released and become a powerful new form of media worldwide.

I think it (Video Podcasting/Blogging) will give television a run for its money as people start to make the natural progression from (phony) reality shows to actual shows about reality made by real people podcasting from wherever they are in the world. Like cable access on steroids and turned into Ultraman.

A new era of journalism will arrive as news and information will be exchanged directly between people without any sort of corporate or governmental filter, establishing a historical media and potentially social revolution.

Video Podcasting/Blogging will spawn a much needed alternative to the advertisement and propaganda blitz that television has become, introducing new shows and genres of every imaginable kind for all ages, cultures, nationalites, etc. We will see new celebrities emerge from the medium.

The whole thing will be huge and the Video iPod will be the catalyst to set it in motion.

[iQuit]

Ever think of this? No NEW iPod will be released....the current one's processors are currently capable of video.

[madmaxmedia]

Ever think of this? No NEW iPod will be released....the current one's processors are currently capable of video.

Not if they want to put in a good quality TV out.

[madmaxmedia]

Yah but what do they really have for their mobile line-up. People love to talk Freescale. No one even knows if FS is even mass producing the theoretical drop in chips for the PowerBook in mass yet. If they are only starting to ramp up production it could be next year before we see mass quantities and at that point say hello to the Pentium M. And let’s be realistic here. Would Freescale even give a crap about pleasing Apple right now? They are going to be phased out in 6 months anyways. I doubt they are going to bend over backwards to get mass quantities of the drop in just to appease Apple.

When the well is empty of water you dig a new well. There is nothing else to do. You can’t make water just appear as Apple can’t just make the G4 just go faster. Which is what is frusterating me. People expect the impossible from Apple. Of course they are focusing on the iPod. Its all they have for now. It’s what is fueling the transition.
Apple has squeezed the crap out of the G4. At best all that is left is menial GPU upgrades (Even though most of the vendors are going PCI-E which Apple would have to do a mobo redesign for.), screen upgrades, and further price drops.
Everyone keeps screeching for some fantastic new hardware from Apple. Well it’s possible, even probable, we will see dual cores DESKTOPS tomorrow, today. (Gah. Need to get to bed.) 2006 is the year of the Apple blitz, and the year the PowerBook and iBook strikes back against the rest of the industry.

Really great post! :)

If Apple did promise a certain order quantity, I do think Freescale would try to deliver. What else actually uses these chips?

[madmaxmedia]

I predict...

Video Podcasting/Blogging will explode when the Video iPod is released and become a powerful new form of media worldwide.

I think it (Video Podcasting/Blogging) will give television a run for its money as people start to make the natural progression from (phony) reality shows to actual shows about reality made by real people podcasting from wherever they are in the world. Like cable access on steroids and turned into Ultraman.

A new era of journalism will arrive as news and information will be exchanged directly between people without any sort of corporate or governmental filter, establishing a historical media and potentially social revolution.

Video Podcasting/Blogging will spawn a much needed alternative to the advertisement and propaganda blitz that television has become, introducing new shows and genres of every imaginable kind for all ages, cultures, nationalites, etc. We will see new celebrities emerge from the medium.

The whole thing will be huge and the Video iPod will be the catalyst to set it in motion.

I like your thinking. I think the video-enabled iPod (iPod Video or iPod AV) will spawn new forms of content, but had not thought as far about it as you have. I also think it will bring plenty of mind-numbing content as well from the broadcast industry (but plenty of good stuff too...)

Also, the timing of this launch is very fortuitous with Google's plans for video.google.com...

http://www.siliconbeat.com/entries/2005/09/08/on_vint_cerf_google_dark_fiber_and_video.html

[mlrproducts]

I'm not interested. Wake me up when its over. Theres so much evidence for it, but so little market. People will buy it, but not for video. It'll be an ill-fated extra like photos. At least they're not doing a seperate line for more $$$ like the photo was. They've learned their lesson.

Who cares if there isn't a market for it yet.

The whole point here is to be working towards an online movie store. Plain and simple. They're the first out of the gates, have a successful solution as with music, and BAM they're on top.

I don't know if you heard about the one studio planning on releasing there movies online by the end of the year, but Apple needs to beat them. Even better, maybe Apple is working WITH them!

$7.99 movie downloads, I WANT!

[oskar]

About 10 hours to go... could this be it? Finally an iPod video? I like thinking about the possibility that current color iPods could be software-upgraded to be able to play back video, but then again, wouldn't Apple simply prefer to sell an all new video-capable iPod? Apple probably wants to sell iPods like mad this holiday quarter as we probably won't see major computer updates for a few months.

I would like to see dual cores tomorrow as well. :o ......waiting.... Maybe I'll just wait for the event to be over and get all the news at once. Or maybe I can download the webcast of the event through iTunes once video downloading becomes "official". :)

[screensaver400]

Why couldn't an "iMedia" program allow the user to put a dvd of a movie he owns into the drive in order to verify that he owns it, and then allow him to download it pre-encoded for free?

You side-step the DMCA issues, get a user-base going with no investment on their part, and don't force those users to rebuy their movies.

Yes, Apple might take a loss on the network-support end, but it seems they could make it back later if they got higher margins than with songs for purchased movies.

Also... I'd like to see them piggyback with TiVo or DirecTV or someone to provide downloadable tv shows. You pop an extra $5 a month charge with your satellite provider, and you can download the shows from "iMedia" for free.

[pknz]

I will quickly check on here before I go to school. Then I am behind a computer for the first three periods (programming, ICT, ICT). Hopefully will have access to the net during ICT.

Could turn out to be a big morning with England playing Poland.

Go Poland!!!

[aafuss1]

I think the timing is odd-just as the inventor of the WMA (which the iPod or iTunes can't play) settled with Real (which, last year tried to get their formats and music store work with iPods.

OGG support would be nice-convert to AAC from added to iTunes (like WITH WMA) and iPod's (as Steve was seen viewing at the 2005 WWDC, Wikipedia which has small media files in)

Also, the album and artist titles should scroll on Now Playing screen.

Intel PB's-should include one of these- WiMax or Airport with 802.11n (Intel has a chip for the first, and Asian trials completed recently, the latter most likely ).

[gctwnl]

I think a true video iPod is doubtful, batteries being the main problem. Decoding video takes a lot of power, the iPod form factor is not ideal at this moment.

I suspect there will be video playback capabilities (for albums that contain video tracks which cannot now be played/downloaded). And I suspect they will introduce a new "digital hub" item which will feature support for video of course. At HD quality.

[petej]

The BBC are chiming in again
According to media speculation, Mr Jobs may on Wednesday launch yet another new version of the iPod, this time a model that can play videos.
from the tail of a report on Apple's results.
link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4332680.stm)

Not the BBC's normal style to quote gossip especially in a business story. But at least it is indirect unlike the Radio 6 announcement. This article was posted before TS backtracked. Will it last the day???

[Will_reed]

perhaps an hdmi output on the ipod so that you can playback hd content on your hdtv. and a 1280 x 720 screen on the ipod.

[gammamonk]

Alright, it's been the 12th all freaking day here in Japan... I can't wait any longer! (4:30 pm JST)

[Loge]

To address some various concerns:

1. Ripping DVD's and 20 hour compression times Maybe this happens, maybe not. But Apple will have talked to movie industry about allowing iTunes ripping feature. Keep in mind that DRM will be applied that limits playback to a single iPod, AND applies a 30 to 60 day limitation to it to prevent amassing movies via NetFlix.



That's way too restrictive. I don't see too many people taking hours to rip a DVD only to have the file expire after 30 days or so. They'll just use third party tools to make an unprotected file, like they do already for PSPs and PDAs.

[0s and 1s]

Also... I'd like to see them piggyback with TiVo or DirecTV or someone to provide downloadable tv shows. You pop an extra $5 a month charge with your satellite provider, and you can download the shows from "iMedia" for free.

Dish Network came out with their own player a couple of weeks ago and it's been selling well. The only caveat is that it doesn't record HD programming.

[Some_Big_Spoon]

Not to mention small PB's, desktops, phones, you name it. It's my stuff, so I get to do what I want with it, MPAA thugs be damned.

That's way too restrictive. I don't see too many people taking hours to rip a DVD only to have the file expire after 30 days or so. They'll just use third party tools to make an unprotected file, like they do already for PSPs and PDAs.

[RedTomato]

That's 5pm GMT for these of us in Europe.

Dang, I gotta wait a whole day!

RedTomato

[Piarco]

Could turn out to be a big morning with England playing Poland.

Go Poland!!!

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

ENGLAND! Ah who cares we've already qualitfied ;)
(Good job on supporting the Mighty Reds though!)

The football is my problem - some of my old Uni mates are in town on business and a big group of us are supposed to meet up from 5 for some food drinks and the match.
I just wanna see whats released - and order it!!
Does Henry's Bar (opposite the Ritz) have wireless? ;)

Video is just an added bonus for me - I will use it but its not a deal maker. I just want a smaller iPod with a sharper screen - and a huge battery life.

PS Waiting for these things suck. At least you guys in the States don't have to work a whole day before finding out....

[screensaver400]

Dish Network came out with their own player a couple of weeks ago and it's been selling well. The only caveat is that it doesn't record HD programming.

No no, thats not what I'm talking about. TiVos and TiVo-like devices have been around for quite some time now.

What I'm talking about is an arrangement between Apple and, say, DirecTV, where for a small monthly addition to a DirecTV bill, the viewer could download to his computer (from "iMedia") all the shows he could have just as easily recorded with a TiVo, ala paid-Podcast. The viewer could then watch the shows right in iMedia or Quicktime, via an "Airport Express V", or on a iPod video (should it ever exist).

EDIT: Or were you talking about the "PocketDISH"? I immediately assumed you meant the Dish DVR. The PocketDISH seems lame to me, to be quite frank. I'd rather download them in beautiful h.264 on my Mac (or other personal computer) than have to transfer them from my DVR. Its not as elegant as my solution above (although the pricing is less complex with PocketDISH).

[Some_Big_Spoon]

WiFi and email support would convince me to buy it. It plays movies, which is (will be) neat, but I have a nano, I have music, I need mobile email with OSX integration. We'll see, but I'm pretty sure that ain't gonna happen for a while.

[thejedipunk]

n00b here.

i have to say that i'm getting irritated from reading posts with kids who want HD/Bluetooth/PDA/Cell phone iPods. honestly, it's not going to happen. the battery would drain from just showing the start up Apple logo on the iPod. and you kids also made me laugh with your "it's not bluetooth, i'm not buying it" crap with the mighty mouse. damn, first generation product. no place to put the battery compartment on the damn thing cuz of the touch sensors. you people and your bluetooth crap.

a vPod? like others before me have said, it is impractical to have one. i personally would not be a heavy user of the video playback feature because i have an ibook, plus, all the music videos i have on my computer, i have seen like a million times already. movies are for the home. with a decent size screen. additionally, i have yet to edit anything in imovie. hell, i don't even go into iphoto all that much.

i could go on and on about why a video capable iPod is not a kosher product, but you kids can stack up on your reading from all the other threads on the subject.

however, knowing myself and alot of you (not personally), we are going to end up whoreing the damn thing (if it even is a video iPod) just because iPod Computer Inc. made it.

I hate the iPod generation.

[FunkSpaceMonkey]

I'm going to be buying a new iBook soon. Hopefully they will be cheaper. Seriously, I'm going to buy one in a fortnight! Yay me.. :D

[andy89]

Not out yet

[Dr.Gargoyle]

Well, he should.
The professional folks that buy PBs and PMs as well as Imacs are the most loyal Apple costumers.
Now Apple are selling millions of Ipods, but if one day Apple misses the boat in making them so amazing all the PC people who buy most Ipods will move to the next cool thing and forget about Apple. Meanwhile we the loyal Apple costumers that spent money on Apple during the Gil Amelio's days will continue to support it.
So I say to Steve, keep us happy with great computers.
Hear, hear...
I Couldn't agree more.
It is dangerous for Apples long time survival to focus too much on the iPods.
I mean you can see the convergence of iPod/mobile phone/pda/camera to one gadget. Regradless of how innovative and brilliant the iPod was when it was introduced, I am not so sure Apple is leading the evolution today. Just look at the latest SE P990 (http://www.mobilegazette.com/sony-ericsson-p990i-051010.htm) : 2mpx camera/4Gb flash/cell phone/wifi/pda... Then add you can upgrade with TomTom (http://tomtom.com/products/product.php?ID=69&Language=1&TT=e01e3a5hqeaitev300c21bdg06) such that you have a GPS navi gadget.

I am not so sure a video iPod, given the competition, would make that much of an impact.

[nichtsicher]

Ok I went into an apple store today and asked to put in an order for a powerbook. In doing so I asked if a new one was released in a week could I change my order. He replied... "There is no more stock in Australia. We are waiting for apple to release the new model tomorrow, you can pre-order if you like". Technically I did but didnt pay for it because he said the prices may go down. he will call me tomorrow.

II have read threds before with people saying the stores know nothing. But He seemed very confident about the release and that he knew for certain that there is no powerbook stock left in Australia.


So I would say, its a sure thing now.

[mongoos150]

Ok I went into an apple store today and asked to put in an order for a powerbook. In doing so I asked if a new one was released in a week could I change my order. He replied... "There is no more stock in Australia. We are waiting for apple to release the new model tomorrow, you can pre-order if you like". Technically I did but didnt pay for it because he said the prices may go down. he will call me tomorrow.

II have read threds before with people saying the stores know nothing. But He seemed very confident about the release and that he knew for certain that there is no powerbook stock left in Australia.


So I would say, its a sure thing now.
Extremely interesting!

[MacQuest]

...i personally would not be a heavy user of the video playback feature...

You live in Irvine, CA right? I'm betting that you own a car and that when your not driving, yes, you are either mostly at work or at home where you have access to computers, tv's, etc.

However, what about the millions of people in the United States and around the world who spend hours commuting via public transportation? Ever thought that maybe they don't want to spend those hours twiddling their thumbs doing nothing. And the name laptop can be deceiving, as it may be very uncomfortable to try and stabalize, much less utilize a laptop computer on a moving form of transportation.

Of course it's not impossible to do these things, but why do it uncomfortably with even a 12" laptop when something more "handheld" sized, whether 1/2 that size like a mini-tablet or iPod sized would work so much better?

[Poff]

I'll be home at 10:30 or 11:00 am, it will be fun to see what has happened.. :D

[Poff]

You live in Irvine, CA right? I'm betting that you own a car and that when your not driving, yes, you are either mostly at work or at home where you have access to computers, tv's, etc.

However, what about the millions of people in the United States and around the world who spend hours commuting via public transportation? Ever thought that maybe they don't want to spend those hours twiddling their thumbs doing nothing. And the name laptop can be deceiving, as it may be very uncomfortable to try and stabalize, much less utilize a laptop computer on a moving form of transportation.

Of course it's not impossible to do these things, but why do it uncomfortably with even a 12" laptop when something more "handheld" sized, whether 1/2 that size like a mini-tablet or iPod sized would work so much better?

laptop and battery.. wooo! :D

[Dr.Gargoyle]

n00b here.

i have to say that i'm getting irritated from reading posts with kids who want HD/Bluetooth/PDA/Cell phone iPods. honestly, it's not going to happen.

Well, as I wrote previously, gadgets pretty close to that already exists. IMHO, I think Apple needs to reinvent the iPod if they want to keep their marketshare in the long run. A video iPod (with all technical/legal limitations) by itself just doesn't cut it.
Perhaps a video iPod combined with a media center and iTVS if done correctly might cut it, but hardly a video iPod alone.

[jeffreyg]

Hey, I think I remember that a while ago Apple hired one of the wonderkinds who started the software company Delicious Monster, just after they'd released Delicious Library - their gorgeous looking DVD cataloging app.

Delicious Library is a trully beautiful little application which cataloges DVDs, books or CDs and retrieves cover artwork from Amazon and the like. The interface is almost "more Apple than Apple" - in fact it created a firestorm of interface-nerd argument when Ars Techica wrote a very favourable review of it.

If Apple hired him, perhaps this kid has been busy in there building the missing video/DVD importing/managing software which might make all this video iPod/iMovieStore gossip make sense...

I sure hope so....

(just had a look around online to try to find that old story, and couldn't find anything. Anyone else remember this or have I imagined it?)

[Sherif Iskander]

All, I posted this in 2002:

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Peeps,

One of my very few posts here. but I figured maybe if we look for what problem a tablet would solve we could be close. Imagine this. A small 5X7 tablet that includes WiFi, Bluetooth and a decent sized Hard Disk. You would pair this tablet with all your computers and cell phones. On it's hard disk would be all your docs and folders. You can use it a standalone device remote control screen, or Home Directory for your paired computers. So picture this. You walk into your office, put this tablet on a charger somewhere and use it as an external disk thorugh WiFi. You're on a train, your powerbook is in your briefcase, but this tablet let's you access it without bringing it out. You're at home watching TV, want to check your mail, this tablet let's you check it through your iMac in the den. In a few words this tablet would hold all your data, act as an extrernal hard disk for your desktop, laptop, digital camera and iTunes. It would also act as a simple browser, MP3 player etc in standalone mode as well as provide remote access for your computing resources at home or the office.. Guess this would be taking this tablet paradigm one step further... Just my 2c worth..

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This device would actually be our Video Ipod, Tablet and Home on Ipod all rolled into one device. Throw in it an ebook capability from the iTMS so you can buy the audio books as well as printed versions for books and periodicals and you have on hell of a media device!!!!

./sherif

[Shattering Fast]

There sure are a lot of Macrumors members from Australia.

I bet I'm the only Tasmanian one though.

[Epicurus]

Everythings seems to point towards music videos and video podcasts as being the first content available for the iPod AV (if it shows up today). TV shows would probably come soon afterwards with full movies some time after that (if Apple gets enough marketshare to be able to aggressively negotiate with the movie industry).

Personally, what I'd like to see is Apple embrace the short film community by partnering with AtomFilms. If Apple could make the films accessible from the Music Store, the way Podcasts are now, i might have more reason to use the video capabilities of a new iPod. At the very least it would provide a large catalog of readily available and mostly free video content at Day 1.

Unless the TV out from the iPod was really good, I don't think it would be of much use for feature films.

[pigwin32]

All, I posted this in 2002:

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Peeps,

One of my very few posts here. but I figured maybe if we look for what problem a tablet would solve we could be close. Imagine this. A small 5X7 tablet that includes WiFi, Bluetooth and a decent sized Hard Disk. You would pair this tablet with all your computers and cell phones. On it's hard disk would be all your docs and folders. You can use it a standalone device remote control screen, or Home Directory for your paired computers. So picture this. You walk into your office, put this tablet on a charger somewhere and use it as an external disk thorugh WiFi. You're on a train, your powerbook is in your briefcase, but this tablet let's you access it without bringing it out. You're at home watching TV, want to check your mail, this tablet let's you check it through your iMac in the den. In a few words this tablet would hold all your data, act as an extrernal hard disk for your desktop, laptop, digital camera and iTunes. It would also act as a simple browser, MP3 player etc in standalone mode as well as provide remote access for your computing resources at home or the office.. Guess this would be taking this tablet paradigm one step further... Just my 2c worth..

------------------------------------------------------------------------

This device would actually be our Video Ipod, Tablet and Home on Ipod all rolled into one device. Throw in it an ebook capability from the iTMS so you can buy the audio books as well as printed versions for books and periodicals and you have on hell of a media device!!!!

./sherif
<cough>OQO (http://www.oqo.com/)</cough>

[Chundles]

There sure are a lot of Macrumors members from Australia.

I bet I'm the only Tasmanian one though.

Look out MR, there's a Taswegian about.....

[Shattering Fast]

*prepares for mandatory inbred jokes*

[OllyW]

I don't know if it's significant, but the UK Apple Refurbished Store has a lot more PowerMacs than usual today.

I've just ordered the latest model dual 2.0, down from £1349 to £979. There's an eight day build time so plenty of time to cancel if anything mindblowing is announced today.

[Sherif Iskander]

<cough>OQO (http://www.oqo.com/)</cough>

Possible.. but without the keyboard or full fledged OS.

./sherif

[mateus.partner@]

My guess is Apple is doing with movie pictures what has done with Music in the ITMS. Would you like to buy movies legally online and burn a DVD? Where do you see courtins if not in a cinema?

[nichtsicher]

There sure are a lot of Macrumors members from Australia.

I bet I'm the only Tasmanian one though.


Your the only tasmanian that knows how to use a computer :p

[Chundles]

*prepares for mandatory inbred jokes*

No no, none of that...

How do you see you guys going in the cricket this year? I'm always struggling to think why a great spinner hasn't come out of Tasmania, someone to take on Warnie. Of all the states you'd think Tassie could produce a good spinner, I mean, you could turn the ball a mile compared to all the other spinners who only have five fingers on their bowling hand....

[Shattering Fast]

No no, none of that...

How do you see you guys going in the cricket this year? I'm always struggling to think why a great spinner hasn't come out of Tasmania, someone to take on Warnie. Of all the states you'd think Tassie could produce a good spinner, I mean, you could turn the ball a mile compared to all the other spinners who only have five fingers on their bowling hand....

ha! that's got to be the best inbred joke yet, well done. Acctually made me laugh.

ps. I'm not really into cricket.

edit: i'm more of a family man. ;)

[firebox]

did someone post that ilounge.com would be covering this live ?

[MacSA]

A Video iPod made for a online Movie store would be a bad idea.... unless EVERYONE can access the Movie store, which is highly unlikely given the legal problems they've had just getting music online in many countires.

Even without iTunes store access the iPod is still great - you can load it up with CD's. I cant see that happening with video. Plus, I think you'd need a VERY fast connection to make it practical.

[Loke]

The soon-to-be released video Pod (vPod) will have support for playing Sony UMD formated movies, along with playing movies from iTMS and from the internal HDD. The vPod will also feature TV-out. You heard it here first ;)

[Chundles]

edit: i'm more of a family man. ;)

So have the IOC been after you after you posted this picture as your family tree?

http://www.uksport.gov.uk/images/uploaded/olympic_rings_main_2003.jpg

[fosman]

Isn't this just a software thing? If the ipod is actually just a hard-drive, offering the functionality to play video isn't the biggest thing in the world, is it? I mean, if video doesn't take off, you still have a media player for photo's and music, so no great loss there.

I'm still hoping for an Apple TV... come on! Give us a flatscreen/hd/PVR/webcam enabled TV that is designed by apple and has the sofrware to match!

[Shattering Fast]

So have the IOC been after you after you posted this picture as your family tree?

http://www.uksport.gov.uk/images/uploaded/olympic_rings_main_2003.jpg

Oh no! you've discovered my family secret - we're all rings of varying colours! http://forums.netphoria.org/images/smilies/erm.gif

*cries in corner*

note: my grandfather in the centre is not black. It's a skin condition.

[Jesus]

Amen BrotherJust so you know... There's only one God... Steve Jobs


Heretics!!!!!!!




Jesus

[Quartz Extreme]

I'm still hoping for an Apple TV... come on! Give us a flatscreen/hd/PVR/webcam enabled TV that is designed by apple and has the sofrware to match!

Or an Apple set-top box with all of that plus iLife integration.