Quicktime 6.1 Due

[MacRumors]

MacCentral reports (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=77&ncid=738&e=8&u=/mc/20021211/tc_mc/docomo_unveils_mpeg_4_phones__new_quicktime_coming) that Apple will be releasing a new version of Quicktime before the end of the year to support new 3G cell phones and the 3GPP technology, based on MPEG4:


"This is the next step in the delivery of a promise we made when we announced QuickTime 6 with MPEG-4 capability," Rhonda Stratton, senior product line manager, QuickTime, told MacCentral. "We started to see some things on the Internet with MPEG-4, but now we are seeing another industry pick up the standard for 3GPP, which is based on MPEG-4."


One of our sources had told us that Quicktime 6.1 is almost ready with some new features... and that the MPEG2 component will get a sister.

[Sublime]

Let the sister be divx please. Thanks.

[FatTony]

Is there any legitimate divx content out there? It seems to me that I've only seen it used for pirated movies and porn.

[impierced]

Could it be the "sister" is an MPEG-2 encoder...

[richard5mith]

A story over at MOSR said divx was coming, because it was one of the choices for video codec in the iChat video conferencing (along with ogg vorbis for audio, which the next version of iTunes will probably have).

[Bradcoe]

DivX is completely legit. Porn is not a reason for it to be illegitament either. The fact that you see lots of illege movie copies in divx format just gives it a bad name. It's a pretty decent codec compared to what else is out there. New DVD players are even starting to encorporate Divx ability from the manufacturer. Not to mention hackable players that let you modify the code in them to play other codecs.

[yoonsik99]

Having supports for Divx will be great since I am having hard time to watch those DIVX movies on my mac..

I wish this speculation of incoporating Divx can be realised as true near future..

Cheers!

[dricci]

DivX seems like a catch all for a bunch of hacked Mpeg4 codecs from Microsoft. It's a very crappy codec used for very crappy things, it's not even an official standard, which is why there is so much trouble playing them on a Mac due to so many different things that can go wrong.

If you want to encode, used Mpeg4. It'll play on many computers and devices without hacking because it's an open standard.

[Tue12]

Except for the content Apple provided, I haven't seen any MPEG4 content on the web.

It's a big flop?

[richard5mith]

Problems playing divx on your Mac? See here...

http://www.allapple.com/article.plm/47

Have a problem no longer. And no messing around with converting or doctoring your avi's just so you can play them.

[Skandranon]

Wireless 3GPP? Cell phone integration? New version of QuickTime to coincide the release of new phones?

I smell iPhone.

:cool:

[chewbaccapits]

Will QUICKTIME ever support AVI's????What the hell?...Hasn't APPLE notice this??

[medea]

good news, and apple should be releasing a version of quicktime 6 for cell phones in japan soon http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15582 :D

[lazyrighteye]

Do people really think Apple is gonna do a phone? Well I know people think so, but really? Not just a pipe dream? I just don't see how it would/could work - with all the service providers out there, blah, blah, blah.

About the "MPEG2 component will get a sister" comment...
Ever since upgrading to QT6 Pro, I have lost the ability to export mpeg2 for DVDs. It's all mpeg4. This effects FCP, DVD Studio Pro, AE, etc.
So, have I lost the ability to burn custom DVDs?

lazyrighteye

[railthinner]

what about supporting Apple's new personal video player/recorder?

have you seen this?
http://www.sharp.co.jp/pav/

ipav would be nice.
mp4 is no flop in Japan.

[cryptochrome]

Originally posted by chewbaccapits
Will QUICKTIME ever support AVI's????What the hell?...Hasn't APPLE notice this??

The www.macosrumors.com article implied that it will support AVIs fully (it's about freakin' time too!) but of course I'll believe it when I see it. In the meantime, mPlayer is actually very good, and appears to give better framerates than doctored avis in quicktime. It plays EVERYTHING, and although the os x version doesn't have it yet it even does Windows Media Audio.

[arn]

Originally posted by cryptochrome


The www.macosrumors.com article implied that it will support AVIs fully (it's about freakin' time too!) but of course I'll believe it when I see it. In the meantime, mPlayer is actually very good, and appears to give better framerates than doctored avis in quicktime. It plays EVERYTHING, and although the os x version doesn't have it yet it even does Windows Media Audio.

AVI's are not a specific format... but a container format.

Certain older codecs that were used in AVI's have never been ported to the Mac... and likely never will.

MOSR was refering to Divx's specifically.

arn

[LordRPI]

Originally posted by chewbaccapits
Will QUICKTIME ever support AVI's????What the hell?...Hasn't APPLE notice this??

I've spoken to Frank Casanova himself about this. I doubt there will be AVI or even DivX support in the next version of the player... I just hope he took my comment about free full screen seriously...

[richard5mith]

The Linux version of mPlayer actually does Windows Media Video right up to the v9 codecs, as well as WMA, which is more than I can get WMP on the Mac to do.

I spoke to the developer of the OS X version and he said this was unlikely for the Mac version because as far as he knew it relied on Microsoft's x86 dll's to work.

[medea]

Originally posted by railthinner
what about supporting Apple's new personal video player/recorder?

have you seen this?
http://www.sharp.co.jp/pav/

ipav would be nice.
mp4 is no flop in Japan.

hmm, I could really see something like that being the next iPod....but perhaps that is for a different topic. but the cell phone thing lazyrighteye is about bringing quicktime to cellphones not bringing out an apple cell phone and it is also true.

[asparagui]

Here's (http://www.universe42.com/movies) some MP4 content for ya, if you're bored.

Speed (http://www.universe42.com/movies/speed.shtml) and 3AM (http://www.universe42.com/movies/3am.shtml) are a couple of my recent projects.

-Brett

[railthinner]

It may be for a different topic but my wild speculation is that upcoming QT updates are for a far greater product (my opinion) than an iphone.

[NeXTCube]

Originally posted by railthinner
what about supporting Apple's new personal video player/recorder?

have you seen this?
http://www.sharp.co.jp/pav/

ipav would be nice.
mp4 is no flop in Japan.

Dude, you just pegged my cool-o-meter!

The iPod, while cool, just too much money for me to justify...but a portable movie player, well, that's another story!

[lazyrighteye]

I see some reasons, but would like to hear from others why Joe Average wants QT ability on their phone?
Are we talking video phoning here or somethign else?
Thanks.

[RandomMacGuy]

Apple doesn't need to support divx. There are many quickime components out there that will decode the DivX or XviD or 3ivx video that you have. The problem is with how quicktime plays avi containers that have muxed mp3 audio streams. If apple fixes this and does it right, I can just use the quicktime components that I already have.

[medea]

Originally posted by lazyrighteye
I see some reasons, but would like to hear from others why Joe Average wants QT ability on their phone?
Are we talking video phoning here or somethign else?
Thanks.
someone in another thread brought up the idea of viewing quicktime movie trailers, while your out you can look up the movie times then view the trailers to see which one you want to see all on your cell phone. this seems like a good application for it to me.

[Marvenp]

Originally posted by asparagui
Here's (http://www.universe42.com/movies) some MP4 content for ya, if you're bored.

Speed (http://www.universe42.com/movies/speed.shtml) and 3AM (http://www.universe42.com/movies/3am.shtml) are a couple of my recent projects.

-Brett

Cool movies, did you shoot them? I know this isn't isn't the place for this but I respresent some movie distributors here in Japan. E-mail me Brett.
ceo@ragejapan.com

Apologies to everyone else for using this space.

[Blackcat]

Originally posted by lazyrighteye
About the "MPEG2 component will get a sister" comment...
Ever since upgrading to QT6 Pro, I have lost the ability to export mpeg2 for DVDs. It's all mpeg4. This effects FCP, DVD Studio Pro, AE, etc.
So, have I lost the ability to burn custom DVDs?

lazyrighteye

AFAIK Quicktime 6 Pro never exported MPEG2, DVDSP installs the codec to do this so if you reinstall DVDSP you'll get the ability back.

[gropo]

Originally posted by lazyrighteye
I see some reasons, but would like to hear from others why Joe Average wants QT ability on their phone?
Are we talking video phoning here or somethign else?
Thanks. News blurbs? One might complain about the ergonomics of viewing news content on a watchface-sized screen, but have you ever tried to read news on one? blah blah blah scroll blah blah blah scroll... sucks. I say bring on the MPEG4 phones - just make sure you can only play the audio through a damned headset, who wants to be immersed in a cacophony of tinny little speakers playing various feeds? Not I...

[XxflipperxX]

DivX, what's that, an installed base of 2 million, worldwide? Who cares?

Apple should fix the existing Pro version and trash their lame so-called 'editing', you know, the edits without sound to .mov and .avi formats. Sheesh, and there's already MPEG2 encoders floating around, pple can relax on that too. But DivX, fugettaboutit.

Having more 'features' and the same old bugs [anyone enjoying the Final Cut Pro/QT6 experience? <Laughs>]....that's reminiscent of the Microsoft Way, just a bit, isn't it?

Spare us Apple, the PotentialWare thing is getting old.Take some guys off the Calendar-iChat 'goof' and get 'em on sorting out QT...and start with the downloaded windows QT files that "May have a video track problem", and the "You need additional software to play this QuickTime movie, UNFORTUNATELY it is not available at the QuickTime site". Gimme a *********g break.

[BenderBot1138]

Originally posted by richard5mith
Problems playing divx on your Mac? See here...

http://www.allapple.com/article.plm/47

Have a problem no longer. And no messing around with converting or doctoring your avi's just so you can play them.

I'd say "You've got to be kidding" but it sounds too harsh. What kind of insulting kindergarten programming is going on over there that they make users enter a path to the program.

I like to try out software any everything... but I don't even think I've got a file it will play... not that I'd know anyway because I didn't have the patience to waste my time figuring out the path demands it was making.

With such a ill thought out offering... you've got to be kidding.

:cool:

[elmimmo]

There is a lot of misinformation going on here IMHO.

DivX is a video codec (NOT audio; it is video-only). QuickTime, AFAIK, supports DivX codecs. Not out of the box, but you just throw the 3ivX codec in your Library/Quicktime which is easily available and downloable for free from 3ivx.com, and you can transparently watch almost whatever divx content out there (there are only a few problematic, nowadays hard to find, files with the first, now obsolete, divx format, which is very very old now, and even the divx team apostatize).

The main problem with Quicktime and those movies with DivX video is that Quicktime does not fully support the Avi architecture, and note I am not talking about particular codecs, but the whole way an Avi file is supposed to be internally structured, whatever codec it is using. Quicktime decodes their video right away if you have the appropiate codec, which, as I said, is fairly easy to get. The problem is that the audio in those files will usually be in MP3 format, and while QuickTime is indeed able to decode MP3 audio, it is not able to decode MP3 audio inside Avi files. This is like this, wether the video is DivX, Cinepak, Indeo or whatever.

What needs to be fixed, because, mind you, it IS a bug, is MP3 decoding inside avis. It has NOTHING to do with DivX.

If what some of you are asking is off-the-shelf DivX decoding, that is another story, the reason why most people trying to read divx in Macs are blaming Apple about QuickTime is that they cannot HEAR the audio whatever codec/file they download and install in their computers (unless they take not so easy and comfortable measures to translate that avi to a mov). Not a lot of those people would really care if Apple supported that off-the-shelf of not, if not supporting it would simply require to download a simple codec to solve the problem.

[XxflipperxX]

Originally posted by elmimmo
There is a lot of misinformation going on here IMHO.

[B]What needs to be fixed, because, mind you, it IS a bug, is MP3 decoding inside avis. It has NOTHING to do with DivX.


Hi,
My 'slight' against DivX wasn't actually against DivX, it was against the idea that Apple should waste time with it. I already use the DivX decoder and codecs, no problem. The problem with QuickTime isn't lack of support for additional codecs, it IS lack of functionality inside the codecs it already 'supports', namely the pathetically crippled editing mechanism in QT Pro. Even in my ranting bad attitude i realize that apple has the work cut out for them to 're-split' the audio and video tracks in order to have even limited editing available, but when they advertise "Edit, cut, copy, and paste QuickTime videos...blah blah blah", they should back it up Before the release, or give away the app as a beta [which is what it is, compared to its actual abilities vs. its advertised abilities] and charge for it when its really working.

[mpest]

Originally posted by BenderBot1138


I'd say "You've got to be kidding" but it sounds too harsh. What kind of insulting kindergarten programming is going on over there that they make users enter a path to the program.

I like to try out software any everything... but I don't even think I've got a file it will play... not that I'd know anyway because I didn't have the patience to waste my time figuring out the path demands it was making.

With such a ill thought out offering... you've got to be kidding.

:cool:

I would say you have to be kidding. I just downloaded a graphical installer and it works pefectly, no command lines or anything, just a regular application. I can play movies i've never been able to play with anything before, including partially downloaded .dat files from kazaa. Thanks to whoever posted the link in the first place.

[gopher]

Originally posted by richard5mith
Problems playing divx on your Mac? See here...

http://www.allapple.com/article.plm/47

Have a problem no longer. And no messing around with converting or doctoring your avi's just so you can play them.

Alas that doesn't work on all AVIs. AVIs with old codecs like Indeo 3 don't work in Mac OS X at all no matter what program I choose. And there are some sites on the web that only save their AVIs in that format. Yet Quicktime for Mac OS 9 is able to handle Indeo 3. Just not the Mac OS X version.