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vollspacken

Dec 13, 2002, 02:22 PM

Originally posted by superkatalog
(liebe grüsse nach deutschland!)

Mein Mitbewohner wollte mich heute Abend in die naechste groessere Stadt schleppen, da Nemesis hier in Iowa in der Pampa nicht gezeigt wird...
...leider habe ich naechste Woche Finals und mehrere Paper abzugeben, wir also wohl nichts draus...

My roommate wanted to drag me to Rochester due to the fact that the local theatre doesn't show Nemesis... Damn IOWA!!!

GeeYouEye

Dec 13, 2002, 02:52 PM

Originally posted by Spike Spiegel
i saw a sneak preview for free on thursday night and i really enjoyed it. it wasnt as good as generations, but it was better than first contact and infinitely better than insurrection. also, it had the tightest most refined special effects of any of the trek movies.(good make-up on the remans too)

Good to hear! I'm going to see it after school today! Amazing to see someone who actually likes generations though... I think people are prejudiced against it because it has an odd number... But the best news there is that it's better than Insurrection!

bousozoku

Dec 13, 2002, 05:20 PM

From everything that I've seen and heard, it's all special effects. There is very little plot, bad acting, and expensive special effects.

Perhaps they should have spent money on screenwriting or used a different series' actors.

Stelliform

Dec 13, 2002, 08:23 PM

Also it should be noted that Patrick Stewart asked that all Star Trek likers and lovers see it on the first weekend. He says that the future of the movie series depends on the first weekend.

Also It should be noted that Stewart took a pay cut from the last movie to make sure this one was made. His reason was the Star Trek movies are fun to make.

(I found it in a TV guide.....)

Durandal7

Dec 13, 2002, 09:20 PM

I would say it's easily the best out of the TNG films. Wrath of Khan is still best in my book but Nemesis comes close.

pantagruel

Dec 13, 2002, 09:52 PM

Originally posted by bousozoku
From everything that I've seen and heard, it's all special effects. There is very little plot, bad acting, and expensive special effects.

Perhaps they should have spent money on screenwriting or used a different series' actors.
Star Trek use actual screenwriting???? They use the worst "science" in all of sci-fi and all the stories suck, cant say Im not a fan though for some reason, sort of like a man soap opera, not that I dont know plenty of women who like it too now.:cool:

pantagruel

Dec 13, 2002, 09:56 PM

Oh and yeah this might end up being the last of the next generation movies (depending on how well this one does in the box office) which would be great, but sadly they still havnt made any deepspace 9 movies yet so they could go into those (dont get me wrong, i think deepspace 9 was the best of all star trek shows, but a movie would suck) and they hopefully they wouldnt attempt anything with voyager which was a sad sad attempt at a show and even worse some kind of prequel movie with the new Enterprise show crew.gross.
If they were to ever do another movie I think it should be completly new and not really based on any of the series just maybe bits and pieces with certain actors or characters.

diorio

Dec 13, 2002, 10:31 PM

Originally posted by bousozoku
From everything that I've seen and heard, it's all special effects. There is very little plot, bad acting, and expensive special effects.

Perhaps they should have spent money on screenwriting or used a different series' actors.

Well let me offer you a different view. I have now seen it and the acting is quite good as are the special effects. It is a good story and from the lines at the movie theater will do very good.

A different series wouldn't really work right now. DS9 would be next, but NG hasn't exhausted itself yet. We will never see a Voyager movie, because frankly the series sucked and couldn't easily be made into a movie.

diorio

Dec 13, 2002, 10:33 PM

Originally posted by pantagruel

Star Trek use actual screenwriting???? They use the worst "science" in all of sci-fi and all the stories suck, cant say Im not a fan though for some reason, sort of like a man soap opera, not that I dont know plenty of women who like it too now.:cool:

I would step out this thread now. This is a Star Trek fan thread, not a Star Trek sucks thread.

Durandal7

Dec 13, 2002, 11:05 PM

Originally posted by diorio
A different series wouldn't really work right now. DS9 would be next, but NG hasn't exhausted itself yet. We will never see a Voyager movie, because frankly the series sucked and couldn't easily be made into a movie.
Post-TNG movie oppurtunities are bleak at the moment. DS9 would be a good candidate but that series just can't be contained in a movie. A Voyager movie would alienate a good portion of the fanbase. Enterprise's amazingly low ratings would keep it out of the film arena.

diorio

Dec 13, 2002, 11:07 PM

Originally posted by Durandal7

Post-TNG movie oppurtunities are bleak at the moment. DS9 would be a good candidate but that series just can't be contained in a movie. A Voyager movie would alienate a good portion of the fanbase. Enterprise's amazingly low ratings would keep it out of the film arena.

That is why I hope Nemesis does well, then they will make another one, or two or three. Kind of like Wrath of Khan, Search for Spock, and Voyage Home. I don't see why Enterprise has such low ratings, I find most of their episodes to be clever and entertaining, much better than voyager.

peterjhill

Dec 13, 2002, 11:14 PM

Just got back from it. It is completely sold out all night. It is only playing in two theaters in all of Pittsburgh. I thought it was great. It kept me guessing throughout the movie. It was pretty funny at times. Brent Spiner was one of the writers. It will do pretty well for a Star Trek movie, I think.

Note about Loews movie theater, I hate them. 30 minutes of commercials. Actually 15 minutes of commercials 5 minutes of trailers 10 minutes of the projector not working, then 10 minutes of trailers, then, a half hour after the movie was scheduled to start, the opening credits.

I hate Loews!!!!

diorio

Dec 13, 2002, 11:18 PM

Yes, the theater I was at had 15 minutes of commercials, 10 minutes of crappy previews (not even a LOTR!) and then finally on to the movie.

dreamlance

Dec 13, 2002, 11:29 PM

I don't see why Enterprise has such low ratings, I find most of their episodes to be clever and entertaining, much better than voyager.

Could be because the writers are running out of ideas to really grab people's imaginations. Granted, Rick Berman and Brannon Braga are trying their best and are good writers but it seems like the interest in ST has declined since TNG ended. Putting Michael Pillar on the DS9 block was a good idea because honestly, DS9 wasn't too thrilling for the first few seasons.

Insurrection was probably one of the worst ST movies out there, IMO. Wrath of Khan and First Contact are my favorites with Generations close behind (because of its musical score really). I'm hoping this one is as good as FC because I'd hate to see Roddenberry's idea go to pot because of poor writing style.

Beej

Dec 13, 2002, 11:33 PM

Originally posted by diorio
A different series wouldn't really work right now. DS9 would be next, but NG hasn't exhausted itself yet. We will never see a Voyager movie, because frankly the series sucked and couldn't easily be made into a movie. Oh come on, Seven of Nine makes Voyager a must-see. They could make a 2 hour flim with just her in it and they'd have my money. :D;)

diorio

Dec 13, 2002, 11:33 PM

Originally posted by dreamlance

Could be because the writers are running out of ideas to really grab people's imaginations. Granted, Rick Berman and Brannon Braga are trying their best and are good writers but it seems like the interest in ST has declined since TNG ended. Putting Michael Pillar on the DS9 block was a good idea because honestly, DS9 wasn't too thrilling for the first few seasons.

Insurrection was probably one of the worst ST movies out there, IMO. Wrath of Khan and First Contact are my favorites with Generations close behind (because of its musical score really). I'm hoping this one is as good as FC because I'd hate to see Roddenberry's idea go to pot because of poor writing style.

That is probablyy true. I liked Insurection, and all the NG movies really with FC and Nemesis as my favorite. Hopefully Enterprise keeps making quality episodes, not ones like "a night in sickbay" which will destroy the series (enterprise watchers know this episode, it was the dullest hour of my life). However, most of the Enterprise episodes have been interesting and worth watching.

diorio

Dec 13, 2002, 11:35 PM

Originally posted by Beej
Oh come on, Seven of Nine makes Voyager a must-see. They could make a 2 hour flim with just her in it and they'd have my money. :D;)

That was frankly the problem with Voyager, no plot, just bringing in hot women trying to spark up something, dressing them in tight clothes and having them do things involving them bending over and such. :D

Beej

Dec 14, 2002, 02:00 AM

Originally posted by diorio

That was frankly the problem with Voyager, no plot, just bringing in hot women trying to spark up something, dressing them in tight clothes and having them do things involving them bending over and such. :D Hey, it worked for me ;)

I've not seen Nemisis, it doesn't come out in Australia until Jan 16.

buffsldr

Dec 14, 2002, 02:42 AM

Kethoticus

Dec 14, 2002, 04:31 AM

I wanted to start this. Anyway, I saw this flick tonight, and I have to say that I think it was possibly the best Star Trek film ever. It's right up there, in my book, with The Undiscovered Country and First Contact. Although I feel it was possibly better than those.

It has so much going for it: great drama; good spots of humor; and fantastic, almost flawless visuals. I really could find so little to complain about. The new Romulan warships were gorgeous, the battle scenes hot, and a real surprise for me at the end. I'd give it 4.5 stars out of 5. Worth the $11/ticket that I paid.

Star Trek use actual screenwriting????

Movie was written by a Trekker. And it showed. Blew Insurrection, The Final Frontier and Generations out of the water.

They use the worst "science" in all of sci-fi...

Umm.... yeah. Must be why we're starting to see some ST technical phenomena in everyday life. Must be why Stephen Hawking's trying to develop warp drive. He obviously believes it's possible. Must be why they hire scientific advisors when they write episodes. The show is actually educational. About the only thing that I feel we'll never be able to do is dematerialize and rematerialize human beings. E=mc^2 demonstrates that entirely too much energy would result from such a process. I do think though that some sort of interdimensional transport system will take its place.

...and all the stories suck, cant say Im not a fan though for some reason, sort of like a man soap opera, not that I dont know plenty of women who like it too now.

Wow... and you can't say that you're NOT a fan. Kinda funny.

Megaquad

Dec 14, 2002, 06:14 AM

First contact was a lot better then Generations..
Well, first 15 minutes, until the end of that fight borg vs. federation i think that was the best part of the movie.
It sucks that Enterprise E got so much beaten in Insurrection, and it's supposed to be federations best ship..:rolleyes:

BenderBot1138

Dec 14, 2002, 12:12 PM

Ebert reviewed the latest StarTrek offering and made a very interesting observation... shouldn't StarFleet have fixed the problem with Shield Energy Distribution to the point that the Captain doesn't have to constantly say "Shift Shield Energy from this section to that" whenever shield energy drains (as it always does)? I think he said shouldn't they just get better or bigger batteries?

Got to agree... I'm getting a little tired of supporting the culture (jobs etc) that produces these movies for the sole purpose of getting my support for their culture (jobs etc). What about something with a little more interesting dialog and story?

:cool:

pantagruel

Dec 14, 2002, 09:09 PM

Originally posted by Kethoticus
I wanted to start this. Anyway, I saw this flick tonight, and I have to say that I think it was possibly the best Star Trek film ever. It's right up there, in my book, with The Undiscovered Country and First Contact. Although I feel it was possibly better than those.

It has so much going for it: great drama; good spots of humor; and fantastic, almost flawless visuals. I really could find so little to complain about. The new Romulan warships were gorgeous, the battle scenes hot, and a real surprise for me at the end. I'd give it 4.5 stars out of 5. Worth the $11/ticket that I paid.

Movie was written by a Trekker. And it showed. Blew Insurrection, The Final Frontier and Generations out of the water.

Umm.... yeah. Must be why we're starting to see some ST technical phenomena in everyday life. Must be why Stephen Hawking's trying to develop warp drive. He obviously believes it's possible. Must be why they hire scientific advisors when they write episodes. The show is actually educational. About the only thing that I feel we'll never be able to do is dematerialize and rematerialize human beings. E=mc^2 demonstrates that entirely too much energy would result from such a process. I do think though that some sort of interdimensional transport system will take its place.

Wow... and you can't say that you're NOT a fan. Kinda funny.

Yeah Star Trek is not realistic my friend I dont care how many good "ideas" they might have come up with, shows like Babylon5 blow (or blew) Star Trek away as far as realism and stories. I just did see the movie and the action was pretty intense, but thats about it, I do hope that this is the end for TNG's movies. Also you know its been said the the cast is eager to do another one because "its so much fun" but sadly its because they havnt or cant find work doing anything else except broadway....and off-broadway.;)

Spike Spiegel

Dec 15, 2002, 02:41 PM

Originally posted by pantagruel

Yeah Star Trek is not realistic my friend I dont care how many good "ideas" they might have come up with, shows like Babylon5 blow (or blew) Star Trek away as far as realism and stories. I just did see the movie and the action was pretty intense, but thats about it, I do hope that this is the end for TNG's movies. Also you know its been said the the cast is eager to do another one because "its so much fun" but sadly its because they havnt or cant find work doing anything else except broadway....and off-broadway.;)

don't forget that almost the entire cast of TNG were voice regulars on the animated series, Gargoyles. And no matter what you say, patrick stewart will never have trouble finding a part for the rest of his life.

BenderBot1138

Dec 15, 2002, 03:37 PM

I mean it's definitely entertainment... but I always feel a little conned by the TNG and DS9 and Voyager thing... I sometimes get the feeling that their were personal wars fought behind the scenes to get TNG made... I mean why not make more with the original cast... they were all young enough at the time... I didn't need to see StarTrek updated to some stuffy boredroom mentality complete with bored members and a CEO. It was exploration... and the original series was just that as well... an exploration of entertainment.

Science Fiction from H.G. Wells, through Arthur C. Clark, Ray Bradbury, Heinlein, and many others is just that - exploration of what if... not some politically motivated philosphy of a group starved for attention who has monopolized the concepts of some forerunning success not their own, for gain and as a vehicle to crudely express their particular non-sci-fi related voice.

There's nothing worse than Science Fiction that starts out with Mythological roots and then devolves into political comment - that's pure betrayal of fan loyalty and interests.

That said, this movie is nearly flawless visually, polished to a shine worthy of an exhibitionist, and written conservatively with craft. Those who like it are well justified in their admiration.

:cool:

diorio

Dec 15, 2002, 08:38 PM

Originally posted by pantagruel

Yeah Star Trek is not realistic my friend I dont care how many good "ideas" they might have come up with, shows like Babylon5 blow (or blew) Star Trek away as far as realism and stories. I just did see the movie and the action was pretty intense, but thats about it, I do hope that this is the end for TNG's movies. Also you know its been said the the cast is eager to do another one because "its so much fun" but sadly its because they havnt or cant find work doing anything else except broadway....and off-broadway.;)

Man you are full of ****. Nemesis might be the end, but considering how many people I saw at the 12:30 p.m show today, it isn't. Patrick Stewart or any of them wouldn't have trouble finding other roles, stewart chooses to do broadway because thats what he likes to do.

I believe I told you to step out this thread earlier. If your going to come into my "Nemesis is cool" thread and say Star Trek sucks and so does it's actors, you're just waiting to start a fight.

guifa

Dec 15, 2002, 09:04 PM

Originally posted by BenderBot1138
There's nothing worse than Science Fiction that starts out with Mythological roots and then devolves into political comment - that's pure betrayal of fan loyalty and interests.

The original series was full of the latter. Political and social commentary gallore. Funny thing was during my ACT this Saturday the selected text for one section was about Start Trek and how its political commentaries masked in science fiction made it so popular.

Durandal7

Dec 15, 2002, 09:09 PM

I'm going with guifa on this. The original series was for the most part political and moral commentary.

diorio

Dec 15, 2002, 09:10 PM

Originally posted by Durandal7
I'm going with guifa on this. The original series was for the most part political and moral commentary.

Just look at "A Voyage Home", the political message about saving the whales is striking.

Durandal7

Dec 15, 2002, 09:14 PM

The movies were nothing compared to the themes about segregation and race from the series.

diorio

Dec 15, 2002, 09:17 PM

Originally posted by Durandal7
The movies were nothing compared to the themes about segregation and race from the series.

I'll have to watch some episodes of the original series.

Cappy

Dec 15, 2002, 09:17 PM

I'd say that this is certainly the best of the TNG movies but that doesn't say a whole lot. I think all of the TNG movies sucked bad. 2, 4, and 6 are certainly the best of the whole series. I thought that this one had a chance when I saw the previews but they still have yet to do anything truly original. The movie was nothing more than borrowed ideas with little twists from Wrath of Kahn but less dramatic and with some characters out of character in some scenes.

It's really kinda weird to feel this way since I prefer the tv series of tng above the original series. I used to like Riker but now I wish they would have killed him off a movie or two ago like others wished so long ago.

At any rate if this is the last one, at least it's the best of the tng series.

diorio

Dec 15, 2002, 09:22 PM

At any rate if this is the last one, at least it's the best of the tng series.

I agree with you on that, hopefully its not the last, but if it is, it was a good one

Durandal7

Dec 15, 2002, 09:23 PM

This will most likely be the last Trek movie for a looonnngg time.

diorio

Dec 15, 2002, 09:27 PM

Originally posted by Durandal7
This will most likely be the last Trek movie for a looonnngg time.

We shall see. My source Tony the Fixer can see movies before they come out, so I'll ask him what his opinion is. It's weird, he told me that Nemesis wouldn't have opening credits like First Contact and he of course was right. I ask him were he saw it before Friday and he's like "did I see it?" and laughs. Weird.

Durandal7

Dec 15, 2002, 09:30 PM

Maybe "Tony the fixer" has Limewire (http://www.limewire.com/)

diorio

Dec 15, 2002, 09:33 PM

Originally posted by Durandal7
Maybe "Tony the fixer" has Limewire (http://www.limewire.com/)

Thats probably it, I'll ask him on Tuesday. Well, I'm signing off for tonight, may all see Nemesis and give their two cents.

pantagruel

Dec 15, 2002, 09:47 PM

Originally posted by diorio

Thats probably it, I'll ask him on Tuesday. Well, I'm signing off for tonight, may all see Nemesis and give their two cents.
Your a facist, the thread says "Star Trek Nemisis", not "Nemisis is cool!" or "only give your opinion about my beloved series and movie if its what I want to hear", Im not singling anyone out here nor insulting anyone just giving my opinion and I thought that was what these forums were for. I'm not picking a fight you are, last time I checked you werent an admin and cant throw people out of threads just because they disagree with you.:mad:
I'm also obviously not the only member who thinks it will be the last one, ask durandal, and the crew itself has stated that it could be.

guifa

Dec 15, 2002, 10:26 PM

Originally posted by Durandal7
The movies were nothing compared to the themes about segregation and race from the series.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't ST have the first on-screen multi-racial kiss?

GeeYouEye

Dec 16, 2002, 01:16 AM

Saw it on Friday... all I can say is... WOW! Truly a great film in its own right, even discounting the 'Trek' factor. Dealt with not one, but TWO moral issues (shadow vs. real thing, and nature vs. nurture), had an excellent score, great story, good integration of future technology from "Endgame" (all without a throwaway line) and amazing visual effects to boot! Without a doubt, the best TNG movie, and easily better than The Voyage Home.

vniow

Dec 16, 2002, 01:00 PM

I'm going to have to echo GeeYouEye and say wow.http://img.ranchoweb.com/images/veronica/eek21.gif

The storyline was excellent and the special effects were wonderful, way better than the impression I got from our local paper.

The biggest issue I had was that Picard mini-me character was overdone. The actor who played him could've toned it down a little, but the scene where he had that pole stuck through his stomach made me wanna http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=159994 so he did do something right.
The Remans also looked too much like the bounty hunter aliens from the 5th Element, there should have been hore differintiation there too.

I hope this is the last TNG movie, if they make annother one it will ruin it I think, they should just leave it like it is. It was a fitting end to a great series.

Now when the hell is that DS9 movie going to come out? That series was left wide open for one!!

Durandal7

Dec 16, 2002, 05:29 PM

ST had the first on-screen inter racial kiss (at least I think it was first) It caused quite a commotion when Kirk and Uhura kissed while they were posessed by space demons or something like that.

As for a DS9 movie, I would love to see one but I just don't think it's going to happen. :(

BenderBot1138

Dec 16, 2002, 05:46 PM

OI!!! Totally... the old StarTrek was all about politics ... wow. Now I've got to spend the rest of the week rethinking my whole childhood!

:cool:

Mr. Anderson

Dec 17, 2002, 10:15 AM

I read one of the reviews in the Washington Post, and you have to take it with a grain of salt, but it really scared me.

Weekend's Michael O'Sullivan calls this film "an offering so endearingly lame it seems to have missed the past 10 years' worth of special effects breakthroughs." Style's Stephen Hunter says "The idea is vivid enough and full of enough intellectual vibration to have been provocative back in the '60s."

After reading everything here, I'm going to have to go see it I think.

D :D

MacBandit

Dec 17, 2002, 10:28 AM

Originally posted by BenderBot1138
Ebert reviewed the latest StarTrek offering and made a very interesting observation... shouldn't StarFleet have fixed the problem with Shield Energy Distribution to the point that the Captain doesn't have to constantly say "Shift Shield Energy from this section to that" whenever shield energy drains (as it always does)? I think he said shouldn't they just get better or bigger batteries?

Got to agree... I'm getting a little tired of supporting the culture (jobs etc) that produces these movies for the sole purpose of getting my support for their culture (jobs etc). What about something with a little more interesting dialog and story?

:cool:

The problem is they have to extend the shields from one area to cover the other area. This weakens the shields they are extending. This is not necessary for some situations which makes this a command decission.

I really like the movied but it was a string of events to me that didn't flow very well. It reminded me more of a really good STNG two part episode. It would have made a good final episode. Personally I think First Contact or Generations was better. Though as I said this is a good movie.

synergy

Dec 17, 2002, 11:17 AM

Originally posted by diorio

Man you are full of ****. Nemesis might be the end, but considering how many people I saw at the 12:30 p.m show today, it isn't. Patrick Stewart or any of them wouldn't have trouble finding other roles, stewart chooses to do broadway because thats what he likes to do.

I believe I told you to step out this thread earlier. If your going to come into my "Nemesis is cool" thread and say Star Trek sucks and so does it's actors, you're just waiting to start a fight.

I think Patrick Stewart is the only one with the possibility of a long career in movies.
Considering how many people you say saw the 12:30PM movie should have helped at the box office but it did not. The J.Lo movie beat it.

I wish it won't be the last. But the numbers don't look too positive.

3777

Dec 17, 2002, 11:26 AM

Star Trek peaked with Star Trek II, the Wrath of Khan, and it officially ended after they made that one with the whales. After that the series officially ended:o

diorio

Dec 17, 2002, 11:29 AM

Originally posted by synergy

I think Patrick Stewart is the only one with the possibility of a long career in movies.
Considering how many people you say saw the 12:30PM movie should have helped at the box office but it did not. The J.Lo movie beat it.

I wish it won't be the last. But the numbers don't look too positive.

Yes, I have accepted the fact that it is probably the last one. Unfortunately, J.Ho lulled enough people into the theater to beat it. I too wish it won't be the last, but unfortunately as durandle7 stated earlier, this is probably the last star trek movie for a looooong time.

Sincerely,
Sad Star Trek fan

sturm375

Dec 18, 2002, 04:41 PM

I sincerly hope this will not be the end of the ST movies. I really enjoyed the movie. Much less political as past movies have been: ST IV, V, VI, Insurection. Also not boring like: III, Generations, and First Contact.

One intersting thing I noted while watching this movie, as the series has progress, the tech seems to regress. Look at the TNG series' personl view screens, then compair to the ones in the movie. While the ones in the series were fake, they looked more futuriestic. The ones in the Nemisis movie, I sware I could just about make out the NEC on them. They were actuall Flat Panel displays, but looked less futuristic than the ones in the series. Also the "Mad Max" scenes.:D If you've seen the movie, you'll know what I am talking about here.

I really love the new main bridge view screen. Very realistic views of the battle:D

diorio

Dec 18, 2002, 08:41 PM

Originally posted by sturm375
I sincerly hope this will not be the end of the ST movies. I really enjoyed the movie. Much less political as past movies have been: ST IV, V, VI, Insurection. Also not boring like: III, Generations, and First Contact.

One intersting thing I noted while watching this movie, as the series has progress, the tech seems to regress. Look at the TNG series' personl view screens, then compair to the ones in the movie. While the ones in the series were fake, they looked more futuriestic. The ones in the Nemisis movie, I sware I could just about make out the NEC on them. They were actuall Flat Panel displays, but looked less futuristic than the ones in the series. Also the "Mad Max" scenes.:D If you've seen the movie, you'll know what I am talking about here.

I really love the new main bridge view screen. Very realistic views of the battle:D

I too hope it is not the last. I did kind of noticed that with some of the tech, it does regress slightly, but in other areas progresses. Gotta love the scene filmed in the Mojave Desert. I haven't see Mad Max, what is that referring to?