Motorola SLVR L7 with iTunes (Photos)

[MacRumors]

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Engadget posted (http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000323065935/) photos of the Motorola SLVR L7 -- an upcoming cellphone which also incorporates iTunes support.

Nothing too unexpected — it has just about the same user interface as the ROKR E1 (though the menus are slightly less sluggish) and it has Bluetooth, a VGA digital camera, and a TransFlash memory card slot for storing up to 100 iTunes tracks, but there is one real surprise: the phone doesn’t have a headphone jack. Seems a bit odd for a phone with iTunes, but we’re hearing that Motorola will offer Bluetooth stereo headphones.

The phone follows the widely criticized (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2005/10/20051027132016.shtml) ROKR Motorola phone which first introduced iTunes on a cellular phone.

Meanwhile, Sprint has joined (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2005/10/20051031150319.shtml) the fray with their own music phone service which offers over-the-air song purchasing.

[QCassidy352]

looks basically like the ROKR - nothing to get excited about. The bluetooth headphones will be cool though.

[GregUofMN]

Talk about dropping the ball on this one. You can obviously tell that Apple, more or less, jumped in the music/cellular market because it was simply obvious that it was/is going to take off. Creating a device that does multiple things, such as this, should really have been a pinnacle product. Instead, it's laughable.

[w_parietti22]

Looks like the ROKR with the RAZR keypad...

[Dr. Dastardly]

I think most of the new Motos that will be coming out will have iTunes installed.

Good thing to because the ROKR is fugly

[ColoJohnBoy]

Bluetooth headphones sound cool, but from everything I've read Moto will sell mini USB headphones that work with it as well. Damn damn damn. Wish I wasn't with T-Mobile.

[longofest]

Anyone else remember Job's saying "bluetooth headphones stink"???

[w_parietti22]

I think most of the new Motos that will be coming out will have iTunes installed.

Good thing to because the ROKR is fugly

Agreed... hmmm, I wonder if the PEBL will have iTunes on it?

[jpgodlew]

Hope it's out before christmas :P

Looks like a cool little phone!

[mkjellman]

if you guys look closer you will see that this phone is actually thinner than the RAZR, which is already really thin. So this is no not the best, and no not good enough for me to get rid of my 710a from Sony Ericsson, but it does look lightyears ahead of the ROKR.

[aussiemac86]

Bluetooth headphones sound cool, but the price premium you will pay for them will not make it worth it, same (but to a lesser extent) with the USB headphones.

100, songs? they have 2GB SD cards readily available these days, why not give it capability for one of those?

[itsa]

two words.... BIG UGLY

[jiv3turkey748]

i guess its a little cooler looking than the rokr
the razr style buttons are cool
they need to put itunes om the razr

[noel4r]

What's w/ the VGA camera? Moto hasn't figured out a way to a mp camera in their phones. Btw, does it have USB 2.0 already and is it iSync compatible?

[FoxyKaye]

100, songs? they have 2GB SD cards readily available these days, why not give it capability for one of those?
That would put it in direct competition with the Nano, which Apple can't allow. I'm willing to bet that once the Nanos reach 4/8 or 8/16 GB, suddenly iTunes on mobile phones will allow for more MP3s.

[UWF404]

Motorola is sooo 10 minutes ago. :cool:

[Dr. Dastardly]

Agreed... hmmm, I wonder if the PEBL will have iTunes on it?
Is that thing out yet? I never seen it on the street but I hear its for sale for like $800. :eek:

[iDM]

I thought the ROKR was a hideous, awkward thing, this looks very similar but at least is a step in the right direction, by attempting to make it look a little sexier. I just can't believe the would release something as ugly as the Rokr.

[EricBrian]

How disappointing.

[w_parietti22]

Is that thing out yet? I never seen it on the street but I hear its for sale for like $800. :eek:

Oh please, the RAZR was $500 when it came out, now you can buy it for what, $100 at car toys?

[puckhead193]

it looks like a candy bar style razr.....

[MCroft]

Motorola Verizon Bluetooth phones have not historically had a full implementation of BlueTooth, because apparently Verizon is willing to trade customer satisfaction to prevent the "lost sale" of me making my own ring-tones.

Before anyone gets it, make sure it can do what you'd like to do. If, for example, you want to transfer your address book to your car or to your Mac, make sure they haven't disabled that function.

[hyperpasta]

iTunes needs to get into phones as a side feature that nobody cares about. All Moto phones (Apple could add more brands, too, even get all Cingular phones) should have iTunes. The ROKR was hideous, this less so, but still ain't buying. The PEBL looks hot but a bit low-tech, and the next RAZR doesn't look as good as the first one.

[slipper]

geeze motorola needs to start updating their user interface.

[RoboCop001]

What's with these names, anyway? Do they stand for something?

[davefan6435]

and the next RAZR doesn't look as good as the first one.

What do you mean the next RAZR? It hasn't been released or announced yet as far as I know.

[iMeowbot]

What's with these names, anyway? Do they stand for something?
It's ultra-1337-speek. RAZoR, ROcKeR, SLiVeR, PEBbLe. You mean you're not impressed by the hipness of it all? :eek: :D

[danielsan26]

if you guys look closer you will see that this phone is actually thinner than the RAZR, which is already really thin. So this is no not the best, and no not good enough for me to get rid of my 710a from Sony Ericsson, but it does look lightyears ahead of the ROKR.
If you're DRM free like me, the s710a plays normal AAC's of pretty much any bitrate. You have to manage the folders & tracknames yourself (no itunes interface or autofill) but it's doable. The headphones that come with it put out okay quality sound as well. The duo pro memory slot is capable of accepting 128MB cards, but I've heard of people hacking the phone's firmware to have it accept much larger. Hopefully a reliable, stable one that does will come out soon from SE. Until Motorola comes out with an EDGE compatible phone that supports both IMAP and POP w/encryption and has a screen that's 240x320, I think the s710a will remain superior.

[danielsan26]

Motorola Verizon Bluetooth phones have not historically had a full implementation of BlueTooth, because apparently Verizon is willing to trade customer satisfaction to prevent the "lost sale" of me making my own ring-tones.

Before anyone gets it, make sure it can do what you'd like to do. If, for example, you want to transfer your address book to your car or to your Mac, make sure they haven't disabled that function.
There's a really good thread somewhere around here on MR about how to get around Verizon's disabling of the OBEX protocol preventing it from using isync....searching....

Edit: Okay....the one here on MR is somewhat incomplete, so I'm sending you to a thread on macosxhints (http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20050501151747917). Make sure to read through the updates for the various versions of 10.4.x to find out what you need to change to make it work. Worked on a friend's v710 for about half an hour but got it to work.

[SiliconAddict]

Talk about dropping the ball on this one. You can obviously tell that Apple, more or less, jumped in the music/cellular market because it was simply obvious that it was/is going to take off. Creating a device that does multiple things, such as this, should really have been a pinnacle product. Instead, it's laughable.


Maybe its the fact that Apple didn't make it and has NO experience designing or creating cellular phones. :rolleyes: the phone was Moto's baby and they not only dropped it but dropped it on its head and beat it with an ugly stick.

Compared to MP3 players cellular phones are an order magnitude more complex. And then there is the simple challenge of getting carriers to actually pick up an iTunes phone. A device they know will kill any chance for them to launch a music store.

[SiliconAddict]

It's ultra-1337-speek. RAZoR, ROcKeR, SLiVeR, PEBbLe. You mean you're not impressed by the hipness of it all? :eek: :D


At least they haven't gotten to the Moto 1337..wait....crap....I hope I didn't give anyone ideas....http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/images/smiles/worried.gif

[hyperpasta]

What do you mean the next RAZR? It hasn't been released or announced yet as far as I know.

The unreleased RAZR has appeared in FCC files and on both Gizmodo and Engadget. Motorola does a terrible job keeping phones secret.

The new RAZR 2 has a 2MP camera plus a small second camera for videoconferencing. It comes in dark blue and silver and the M logo glows. TDo a Google search on it and see what comes up.

[Phatpat]

Agreed... hmmm, I wonder if the PEBL will have iTunes on it?

I strongly doubt it. The PEBL doesn't have a built-in transflash slot, unlike the SLVR. (See specs here (http://www.motorola.com/motoinfo/product/details/0,,87,00.html))

It is also interesting to note that on the Cingular page, at least from my zip, the price of the ROKR has fallen to $149.

The SLVR is a pretty cool phone, but the upcoming Nokia and Sony Ericsson music phones have seem more well thought out.

[nichos]

I don't understand why they (someone, anyone) doesn't come out with a phone, that holds a bunch of music, and has a decent PDA. How about a palm powered PDA, that plays music? who wants to carry a palm, an ipod, and a phone? A headphone jack is a basic feature my 5 year old cel-phone had.

this phone doesn't sound like it does one thing well:confused:

[RoboCop001]

It's ultra-1337-speek. RAZoR, ROcKeR, SLiVeR, PEBbLe. You mean you're not impressed by the hipness of it all? :eek: :D
Haha I think they're kinda lame. I'd rather they have a "Motorola X5138" instead of ROKR. Besides. What if you're not a rocker? I don't see a RAPR or a... I don't know... what if you love classical music? A CLSCL??

Bah. Anyway.

Completely off topic, but if I get a 17 PowerBook and within the first year the screen explodes or something, they'll replace it right? Free?

PS. By exploding I mean crazy malfunctions and such that I've been hearing about around here.

[musiclover137]

Anyone else remember Job's saying "bluetooth headphones stink"???
since when is jobs involved with this phone?

[thedude110]

Um, how hard is it to put iTunes on a flip phone?

Ok, so like, it's really hard. But, c'mon people. Flip phones.

[Spock]

This is all backwards, we dont need iPod features on cell phones. We need CELL PHONE features on iPods!

[gekko513]

Why did Apple have to team up with the cell phone maker that makes the worst and ugliest phones of all. :mad:

[gekko513]

It's ultra-1337-speek. RAZoR, ROcKeR, SLiVeR, PEBbLe. You mean you're not impressed by the hipness of it all? :eek: :D
I was thinking SiLVeR and wondered why it was black. :D

[japasneezemonk]

The unreleased RAZR has appeared in FCC files and on both Gizmodo and Engadget. Motorola does a terrible job keeping phones secret.

The new RAZR 2 has a 2MP camera plus a small second camera for videoconferencing. It comes in dark blue and silver and the M logo glows. TDo a Google search on it and see what comes up.

It's not really a secret, it's how MOTO builds up its products.

[Whyren]

I guess no one noticed this (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=159101) earlier...oh well...:(

[gekko513]

I guess no one noticed this (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=159101) earlier...oh well...:(
Hm ... yeah ... creds to you :)

I'm not sharing the enthusiasm some seem to have over the RAZR style keyboard. It looks ugly to me and it must be terrible to use because it must be harder to find the keys by touch.

[Whyren]

Hm ... yeah ... creds to you :)

I'm not sharing the enthusiasm some seem to have over the RAZR style keyboard. It looks ugly to me and it must be terrible to use because it must be harder to find the keys by touch.

No worries; we're all a community here after all. :)

Yeah, when I saw that I thought "Wow, finally a RAZR iTunes phone." Then I saw it was still a candybar phone. Doesn't seem like that much of an improvement, but at least it looks like a recently-made phone. Maybe I just don't use cell phones much, but don't the keys seem awfully small?

[miloblithe]

I wish they'd put it in a nice, cool, slim phone that doesn't have a camera. Phone+iTunes seems like enough complexity, and I don't think the jack-knife approach for cell phones ultimately makes the most sense.

[w_parietti22]

What do you mean the next RAZR? It hasn't been released or announced yet as far as I know.

http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000080062961/

[kretzy]

I think it looks just as ugly, if not more, than most other Motorola phones. Not only do they have fugly cases, but the UI in general is hopeless and poorly designed. The fact that it has iTunes on it, makes Apple look bad.

Apple should either design their own phones from scratch, which i'm sure would be awesome, or team up with a company that produces better mobiles (Samsung have some great designs).

I definitely won't be buying one in a hurry!

[kretzy]

This is all backwards, we dont need iPod features on cell phones. We need CELL PHONE features on iPods!

I couldn't have said it better myself!

[Whotheheck]

I've actually seen this phone in person over half a year ago (without the iTunes software) and it looks VERY nice! The pictures do not do it justice!!! It is thinner than the original RAZR. I do remember they said about the transflash thing but I swear the guy said it was going to have a 2MP camera and not VGA? I guess half a year does that to it.

BTW, the ROKR is $149 with a 2 year contract, $249 without contract as of November 1.

[bigandy]

far better looking than the ROKR. might consider it if wasn't motorola...

please, people, stop knocking bluetooth headphones. i have some and they're just as good as wired. never had trouble.

:D

[AidenShaw]

please, people, stop knocking bluetooth headphones. i have some and they're just as good as wired. never had trouble.

:D
How's it work on an airplane ? :eek:

[ftaok]

For those complaining about Apple working with Moto and not the other cell phone manufacturers. Moto was the only one who wanted to work with Apple. Nokia has pretty much linked themselves with Microsoft. They signed a deal with Microsoft shortly after the Moto/Apple deal was announced. If you're waiting for Sony-Ericcson to have an iTunes phone, then you'll be waiting a long long time. Well, at least until Sony cries uncle and gets rid of Sony Connect. And Samsung is too much in bed with their Napster/WMA connections to offer iTunes.

I do think the ROKR is underwhelming. But there's plenty of fault to go around. Moto should have put it on a better phone. Apple shouldn't intentionally cripple it. And Cingular (at least in the US) should have put their foot down and demanded a better phone.

Hopefully, the ROKR's apparent lack of success (I say apparent because I've read where the ROKR had pretty good sales in Europe) won't kill off future products.

For what it's worth, I'm thinking that you won't see iTunes on anything other than a Moto phone for the next couple of years.

[pjmurphy77]

Is that thing out yet? I never seen it on the street but I hear its for sale for like $800. :eek:

get the PEBL here for $569 - http://www.myworldphone.com


i think you guys are underestimating the new SLVR - it is an incredible phone. Check out this preview (beware - gratuitous T&A!)

http://www.bengalboy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=146&forum=2

[lolex]

Apple Itunes ties up with Moto sounded loud ,however turned out small.

The thing still at its primary stage and still flaws await to be solve, like wireless downloading on-the-go is quite painful a cost to pay, and the conventional look make me no attraction to buy.

The thing should be more than that, with Apple and Moto come together should hits big.

I hope Apple's working hard on this team, and bring me something really great soon. There are too many things come along with now, a blending of any fews things together would really wellcoming. Especially ,it does by Apple.

[mdntcallr]

No headphone jack

and to keep the dumb ass limit of 100 songs is just dumb.

if anyone wants to make a cell phone - itunes combo work.

let people install cards with huge memory and no limit on how many individual tracks.

I want to get a treo type device with a 2 gb memory card.

[Doozy]

I still don't think I will get one, I like the idea of an all in one, but I would rather have a phone that has a better browser like the new nokias which are being discussed today also.

[Bad Beaver]

Motorola Verizon Bluetooth phones have not historically had a full implementation of BlueTooth, because apparently Verizon is willing to trade customer satisfaction to prevent the "lost sale" of me making my own ring-tones.

Before anyone gets it, make sure it can do what you'd like to do. If, for example, you want to transfer your address book to your car or to your Mac, make sure they haven't disabled that function.

I wonder how come you Americans willingly take all that BS from your cellphone service providers. :confused: In Germany we are now seeing new low-cost flatrate models in the line of "get your phone where you want, then use our card". I'm sure people would ram flaming torches up the providers' rears if they tried to tell them they could not have the phone they want on their service.

And for MOTO: You sure want to hope the designers by now noticed that people have *two-part names* and have adapted the address-book accordingly, so you won't end up with the same freakin' mess you get when syncing a RAZR via iSync :mad: forcing you to shell out for sync-software that will send surnames first.

[bretm]

if you guys look closer you will see that this phone is actually thinner than the RAZR, which is already really thin. So this is no not the best, and no not good enough for me to get rid of my 710a from Sony Ericsson, but it does look lightyears ahead of the ROKR.

No it's not. It's like twice as thick. What are you looking at? And the RAZR isn't very thin imho either. Just because it's a huge phone it LOOKS thin, but only in relation to it's enormous width and height. It's basically just as thin as my old nokia gsm and motorola v66.

[nbfn2009]

Doing a little research when i saw the new motorola phone with itune, i will say that it does look a lot better than the ROKR, but the Second version of the popular RAZR phone will include iTunes along with what seems to be Bluetooth headphone because it does not seem to have an ear jack. Anyway Motorola has made some changes to the phone other than just adding iTunes; they have made the little M icon on the front light up, changed the color of the phone slightly, and they have also upgraded the internal memory from 5Mb to 60Mb which will be great! It's still in prototype right now, but i can buy it and do a little more research at www.wirelessimports.com.

[fitinferno]

I wonder how come you Americans willingly take all that BS from your cellphone service providers. :confused:

Like the paying to receive calls as well as make them!

Wow...honestly, I was wondering when the L7 was going to start getting chatted about here...and I was quite shocked to see the announcement that it has iTunes on it! Bad and good, in a way...

But, since I'm so interested in it, I'm coming out of my lttl posting hiatus to step in and defend it.

No it's not. It's like twice as thick. What are you looking at? And the RAZR isn't very thin imho either. Just because it's a huge phone it LOOKS thin, but only in relation to it's enormous width and height. It's basically just as thin as my old nokia gsm and motorola v66.

If you read the specs, you'll actually find out that the RAZR is 13.6mm thick as opposed to the SLVR's incredible 11mm. The SLVR is longer than the RAZR at 113 compared to 98, but, they've cut down the width so that the SLVR is only 49 compared to 53. I think that's where the potential in this phone lies.

It definitely caters to a specific niche of phone users. I have ordered myself one off Amazon (should be arriving within 2 weeks! :D) because of the fact it's exactly what I've been waiting for. It won't bulge when in my pocket, it's a candybar phone, it has bluetooth and as an added bonus, there's a fun toy camera (I say toy after the justified complaints of it being VGA rather than MP) and a media player.

I am unhappy about the 100 song cap, but considering all I listen to music on the go for is quick transport around London really, that's no biggie. And I don't have any nifty Bose headphones to pop in, so the headphone thing shouldn't be too much of a big deal either ;)

[Lord Blackadder]

The cell phone market is way hot, but also super competitive.

Whatever happened to the "Apple Phone" rumors - how about a Nano-based Apple Phone, eh? I think it would be a hit.

But in order to do it they would have to collaborate very closely with a phone manufacturer, wheras they seem to be holding Moto at arm's length.

I like the new Moto phone, but I always get the cheapest (read: free) phone available because I don't want or need any more functionality than the ability to make calls.

[maya]

Mobile phones are so yesteryear. :rolleyes:

Say hello to, "secure wired lines." ;) :D

[Stella]

So...what you mean is, Apple are desperate and took anything.

Sold themselves out.

;-)

For those complaining about Apple working with Moto and not the other cell phone manufacturers. Moto was the only one who wanted to work with Apple. Nokia has pretty much linked themselves with Microsoft. They signed a deal with Microsoft shortly after the Moto/Apple deal was announced. If you're waiting for Sony-Ericcson to have an iTunes phone, then you'll be waiting a long long time. Well, at least until Sony cries uncle and gets rid of Sony Connect. And Samsung is too much in bed with their Napster/WMA connections to offer iTunes.

I do think the ROKR is underwhelming. But there's plenty of fault to go around. Moto should have put it on a better phone. Apple shouldn't intentionally cripple it. And Cingular (at least in the US) should have put their foot down and demanded a better phone.

Hopefully, the ROKR's apparent lack of success (I say apparent because I've read where the ROKR had pretty good sales in Europe) won't kill off future products.

For what it's worth, I'm thinking that you won't see iTunes on anything other than a Moto phone for the next couple of years.

[AP_piano295]

That phone is sweet looking I think it looks way better than the rockr which I wouldnt be caught dead buying if I was going for style points.

[iDONTdoWINDOWS]

That phone is sweet looking I think it looks way better than the rockr which I wouldnt be caught dead buying if I was going for style points.

Anything looks better than the CRPR I mean ROKR

[mixedsig]

Did anyone mentioned it?

http://promo.motorola.com/ProductPreviews/ht820.html

[AP_piano295]

Anything looks better than the CRPR I mean ROKR

i actually think this phone looks really cool though

[mi5moav]

Always fun finding it on ebay... I guess now we know there are 3 moto phones that work with itunes. ROKR, SLVR 7, RZR V3


http://cgi.ebay.com/Motorola-HT820-Headphones-MotoROKR-iTunes-Bluetooth-NIB_W0QQitemZ5826205034QQcategoryZ20354QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[solvs]

I like the new Moto phone, but I always get the cheapest (read: free) phone available because I don't want or need any more functionality than the ability to make calls.
You can get the ROKR for free from Buy.com after rebate.

Sold themselves out.
Being a business and all, that's pretty much what they do. ;)

[d_saum]

This is all backwards, we dont need iPod features on cell phones. We need CELL PHONE features on iPods!


Hell yes, thats what Im waiting for!!! If apple ever comes out with its cellular service, I am SWITCHING to it IMMEDIATELY!!! Even if I have to pay the $250 fee to get out of my contract. :D

[solvs]

No it's not. It's like twice as thick. What are you looking at?
http://www.mobile-review.com/review/motorola-l7-en.shtml ;)

[aarond12]

I will stick with my Sony Ericsson K750i. No it doesn't support protected music files from iTunes, but it does support the AAC MP4 files that iTunes rips to by default as well as MP3. (Probably ACTRAC3 also but who cares?)

The K750i also has an autofocus 2MP camera and can accept a Memory Stick Duo Pro up to 2GB!

You can also compress 3GP and MP4 videos and play them back on the K750i.

Hey Moto! GET WITH THE PROGRAM! You are not even close to the competition!!!

-Aaron-

[EricBrian]

I will stick with my Sony Ericsson K750i.

Who is your service provider?

[fitinferno]

I will stick with my Sony Ericsson K750i. No it doesn't support protected music files from iTunes, but it does support the AAC MP4 files that iTunes rips to by default as well as MP3. (Probably ACTRAC3 also but who cares?)

The K750i also has an autofocus 2MP camera and can accept a Memory Stick Duo Pro up to 2GB!

You can also compress 3GP and MP4 videos and play them back on the K750i.

Hey Moto! GET WITH THE PROGRAM! You are not even close to the competition!!!

-Aaron-

Moto is perfectly with the programme with the size of the SLVR. Mmm-hmm...the K750i is thick as a brick. I guess, as I've said before, it's just up to what features you're looking for as a phone. Someday, I'll make mucho money by starting a custom phone shop...phones built to your specifications...exactly how you want them (of course, horribly thin w/the specs of the k750i probably wouldn't be doable :P)

[Will Cheyney]

Haha! It looks just like the RAZR... just flattened-out.
The cameras lens housing looks the same, the back looks the same, the keypad looks the same, and the 'grills' on the back are identical.
I put some images together to show ye:

http://www.btinternet.com/~nicame/ROKR21.jpg

http://www.btinternet.com/~nicame/ROKR22.jpg

It's a shame (again)... the idea of an iTunes phone has all the makings for something great.

[fitinferno]

It's a shame (again)... the idea of an iTunes phone has all the makings for something great.

The picture comparison you made was excellent...and yeah, apparently the point of the SLVR is to appeal to people who like the RAZR but don't want a flip phone...so it's fitting it will be exactly like a RAZR but flattened...no originality from Moto...they don't want to take the chance of losing out on what they see as a valuable market by going different on the design, probably.

[phatspider]

for uk peeps - looks like Vodafone have this available on their homepage

http://shop.vodafone.co.uk

[solvs]

for uk peeps - looks like Vodafone have this available on their homepage

http://shop.vodafone.co.uk
That site made FF crash on me. Twice. Weird.

Anyway, when is it coming to the US? I want one.

[illegalprelude]

I will stick with my Sony Ericsson K750i. No it doesn't support protected music files from iTunes, but it does support the AAC MP4 files that iTunes rips to by default as well as MP3. (Probably ACTRAC3 also but who cares?)

The K750i also has an autofocus 2MP camera and can accept a Memory Stick Duo Pro up to 2GB!

You can also compress 3GP and MP4 videos and play them back on the K750i.

Hey Moto! GET WITH THE PROGRAM! You are not even close to the competition!!!

-Aaron-

I wish Verizon could go with Sony phones =/

[themacman]

Agreed... hmmm, I wonder if the PEBL will have iTunes on it?

ive seen a lot about the PEBL what is so special about it?

[graphiqdezine]

Bluetooth headphones sound cool, but from everything I've read Moto will sell mini USB headphones that work with it as well. Damn damn damn. Wish I wasn't with T-Mobile.

You can get unlocked rokrs (and any other cingular phone) over the internet. I've bought quite a few cingular phones from my client who owns a large phone store here in Houston. Including Razr, Treo and now the SX66. I just buy the unlocked phone, put my sim card in, and everything is pretty much set.

[iEric]

i would only get this if it is CDMA. I use a provided that is CDMA only and i have the best phone number and the greatest reception. can't give that up now. but i want it.

[Misplaced Mage]

i would only get this if it is CDMA. I use a provided that is CDMA only and i have the best phone number and the greatest reception. can't give that up now. but i want it.Don't hold your breath. The hardware and software Motorola uses on its CDMA phones is significantly different from that used on its GSM phones. Add in the fact that a number of the North American carriers use BREW instead of Java for add-in applications (assuming the CDMA carriers don't want to partner with Apple, a given for Sprint and probably also for Verizon), and you have a non-trivial porting situation.