Dude! Its an XBOX 360!

[RobHague]

:D
http://www.gamekult.com/tout/actus/articles/A0000044782.html?nopub=1&temp=451411200579182315
http://img2.kult-mag.com/photos/00/00/62/89/ME0000628987_2.jpg

Now if only it was made by someone other than Microsoft i wouldnt hestitate to put in my pre-order ;) j/k

[Xeem]

They have one set up to demo at our nearest Wal-Mart. I'll buy one for Halo 3 and Resident Evil 5, but not before then.

[jared_kipe]

Pre order, ha ha ha they've been sold out for months. So you should say "if only it wasn't made by microsoft I wouldn't hesitate to sit outside my local target for a week to get one."

[SilentPanda]

I was going to sit outside to get one (mainly because that night I have nothing better to do so why not give it a shot) but then they released their compatibility list for XBox games and... out of the 30-40 games I own 3 were on the list... 3 of which I don't play anymore. I know that I can still play them on my old XBox but I was planning on getting the 360 and getting rid of the XBox immediately. Ah well... maybe later I'll look into it. A few of the games that I "wanted" for the 360 were pushed back and the few that weren't are available on the PC anyway... t'would be a waste of $400+ to get it right now for myself.

[RobHague]

Pre order, ha ha ha they've been sold out for months. So you should say "if only it wasn't made by microsoft I wouldn't hesitate to sit outside my local target for a week to get one."

Well they are still taking orders for them around here. If you order the 'core' pack you have a better chance of getting one -- but i dont mind waiting till next year for more stocks to arrive. If i decided to buy one of course...

http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comics/20050914.jpg

[MacRy]

Wow that's one big power brick!

Put my order in on Amazon UK a couple of days ago so I should get mine sometime around the release of Windows Vista ;)

Actually i've just checked on Amazon and they are stating that orders placed after the 2nd of November will have a ship date in 2006 :( I may have to cancel my order and lkeep an eye out for stores with them in instead.

[Dagless]

i dont have room for that powerbrick anywhere in my house :o ;)

[solvs]

Does the game controller not suck this time? The last controller sucked. Meh, who am I kidding, my PS2 is collecting dust right now. Anyone want to buy a slightly used PS2? :p

[RobHague]

So im thinking... Mac + Xbox = Disaster?

You know, get new 360, set it up next to my shiny apple computer... hook it up to my cinema display and BANG! it fries. Maybe its a coincidence? So i go to bed, wake up in the morning to find the G5 on the floor in bits and the 360 sat in its place looking all innocent. I think the 360 is a trojan horse! Microsoft want one in your house to sabotage Apple products! Trust no one. http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_6_2v.gif

Why can't Apple make a console anyway? :p the 'iStation' or the 'iPlay' lol :D

[SilentPanda]

Why can't Apple make a console anyway? :p the 'iStation' or the 'iPlay' lol :D

They totally should! But I think a better name would be Pippin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Pippin). ;)

[shadowmoses]

i dont have room for that powerbrick anywhere in my house :o ;)

I know what you mean those powerbricks are a pain in the backside...

[satans_banjo]

They totally should! But I think a better name would be Pippin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Pippin). ;)

is that a fake?

if not, that is so ahead of it's time! that's what all the consoles are trying to do today - simulate a computer while being primarily for games. if apple released another, more updated version of the Pippin then it would rule all the other consoles out! networked consoles in the mid '90s? that's so good!

[Will Cheyney]

Haha, the Pippin! My friend has one of those... I never got to play it.
The controller looks bang up-to-date with today's console controllers!

[greatdevourer]

is that a fake?

if not, that is so ahead of it's time! that's what all the consoles are trying to do today - simulate a computer while being primarily for games. if apple released another, more updated version of the Pippin then it would rule all the other consoles out! networked consoles in the mid '90s? that's so good! Nope, not fake. Just like the Newton and the Cube :( Amazing ideas so ahead of their time that they were cancelled before any competition arrived

[2nyRiggz]

so this guy got his 10days early before launch.....good for you....play a few games.....hold up...are there games ready?

that power brick is almost as big as the unit itself.....thats a real block

Bless

[kwajo.com]

I admit the power bricks is large, ugly and annoying, but it's not like macs don't have power bricks either. the mac mini one is massive relative to the size of the computer itself, though at least it's sleek and looks presentable and doesn't HAVE to be relegated to under a table

[Dagless]

Nope, not fake. Just like the Newton and the Cube :( Amazing ideas so ahead of their time that they were cancelled before any competition arrived

nah not really. I don't know about its popularity outside of Europe but we had the Amiga and its CD32 addon. hell, the Amiga provided more functionality than windows (heh, not hard) with a fully working GUI OS which I think put Apple's to shame. back in the day of course. and it spoke. THAT was an amazing machine/console.

[Blackheart]

So im thinking... Mac + Xbox = Disaster?

You know, get new 360, set it up next to my shiny apple computer... hook it up to my cinema display and BANG! it fries. Maybe its a coincidence? So i go to bed, wake up in the morning to find the G5 on the floor in bits and the 360 sat in its place looking all innocent. I think the 360 is a trojan horse! Microsoft want one in your house to sabotage Apple products! Trust no one. http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_6_2v.gif

Why can't Apple make a console anyway? :p the 'iStation' or the 'iPlay' lol :D

Wait a sec... how are you going to attach it to your cinema display? Doesn't the UberBox360 only come with component?

[clayj]

Wait a sec... how are you going to attach it to your cinema display? Doesn't the UberBox360 only come with component?It can support S-Video, component, and other high-end connectors, provided you buy the right adapter kit.

The old RF converter option is no longer an option, though. (Thank goodness.)

[Phat_Pat]

Wait a sec... how are you going to attach it to your cinema display? Doesn't the UberBox360 only come with component?

will there be a way to hook it up eventually?

[Aarow]

Is that the core system?

[clayj]

Is that the core system?No, the one pictured above has the hard drive (on the top of the unit)... the core system does not include the hard drive.

[Aarow]

Oh. That's the prettiest Microsoft thing I've ever seen! I wish I had one,:D

[Blackheart]

It can support S-Video, component, and other high-end connectors, provided you buy the right adapter kit.

The old RF converter option is no longer an option, though. (Thank goodness.)

I'm confused now. :( . The UberBox has component out (RGB), while the display has DVI in, have you found a converter to do this? For the life of me, I can only find DVI->Component.

[clayj]

I'm confused now. :( . The UberBox has component out (RGB), while the display has DVI in, have you found a converter to do this? For the life of me, I can only find DVI->Component.Ah. I forgot that the ACD uses DVI... there doesn't seem to be an adapter that will work with DVI. (There is one for VGA.)

[joecool85]

Looks ok, but I'd go with a Nintendo Revolution.

[Blackheart]

Ah. I forgot that the ACD uses DVI... there doesn't seem to be an adapter that will work with DVI. (There is one for VGA.)

Oh, that makes me sad. :(

[2nyRiggz]

the rev and maybe a PS3.....sony has completely change my mind on them since the CD virus like stuff they pulling with their rootkit.

*still loving the psp though:)*

Bless

[DISCOMUNICATION]

Even if the 360 did have DVI/HDMI output (which it doesn't Component and VGA are the highest) you would still have to deal with HDCP: http://www.edn.com/article/CA209091.html
If you could simply use any DVI input then HDTV wouldn't be that big of a deal. Everyone who owned a computer monitor would technically own an HDTV. They say HDCP was made to keep people from recording a digital signal, but most people these days would just copy the files on an hd format disc. And HDTV is already recordable over firewire anyways. The real reason is to not cut into overpriced television sales. This may not matter soon anyways. Windows Vista is supposedly only going to display HD content (internet, blu-ray, misc. files, ect.) if you have an HDCP compliant display. Will Apple do this as well?

[greatdevourer]

I'm confused now. :( . The UberBox has component out (RGB), while the display has DVI in, have you found a converter to do this? For the life of me, I can only find DVI->Component. You can get XBox to VGA adapters as well as Componant to VGA (I've got the latter for playing my current XBox through my monitor in HD :D), but unless M$ release an HDMI cable (looks sure to happen, though), you're stuck

[GorillaPaws]

Hey guys, any speculation on when we'll see price drops on this thing? I'm personally not in any hurry (cause there are no must-have launch titles out there yet-- Oblivion may be a system-seller for me though). Maybe when Sony launches the PS3? What are the latest guesses for that timeframe these days?

[shidoshi]

Hey guys, any speculation on when we'll see price drops on this thing? I'm personally not in any hurry (cause there are no must-have launch titles out there yet-- Oblivion may be a system-seller for me though). Maybe when Sony launches the PS3? What are the latest guesses for that timeframe these days?

There is NO WAY in the world that the price will drop when the PS3 comes out. Microsoft is, again, losing money on the hardware, so a price drop will only happen when (a) the cost to make the hardware drops, and the 360 needs the boost due to slow sales, or (b) the 360 totally tanks, and MS needs to find a way to save it.

Option A won't happen for probably at least two years, if history means anything. Option B really isn't an option, I don't think. The Xbox did pretty well, and the 360 only improves on what it did.

[jdechko]

The Xbox did pretty well

If by "did pretty well" means sold a lot of units, then yes. If you mean, made a lot of money for microsoft, then no.

joecool85, I'm with you. I'll stick with the revolution thank you. Nintendo forever!

[JDOG_]

Must...buy...now....

That thing is so much whiter than the product pics I've seen. Almost like a giant iPod.

[berkleeboy210]

I played a Demo XBox 360 at Gamestop Today (Peter Jackson's, King Kong), It was connected to a Samsung HDTV probably a 20"-23" Screen. And it looked VERY impressive! There were about 10 of us gathered around the screen at 2:00 this afternoon.

I also went in to pre-order 4 games... and I asked just to make sure "its still coming in the 22nd right?" then I got the bad news... --- Microsoft told them to keep on taking pre-orders... so they did.... 120 of them.... then last week Microsoft tells them they will only be getting 20 units on Launch Day.

I have $150 down on the system, and I want my'n on the 22nd dammit!

But I refuse to wait in line at Midnight to get it.... If it's indeed true that they are only getting 20, they will probably be gone by 1am.

Damn, there goes my Thanksgiving Weekend.

[xli_ne]

Is that the core system?

i believe the core box is green

[calyxman]

I'm holding out until all three systems are out.

[shadowmoses]

The main reason to go for the xbox is because xbox live is so good and all intergrated, we know as a fact playstations online play isnt as good and probably wont be......

Well thats the reason i would buy a 360 over a PS3,

Shadow

[martin1000]

I have $150 down on the system, and I want my'n on the 22nd dammit!

But I refuse to wait in line at Midnight to get it.... If it's indeed true that they are only getting 20, they will probably be gone by 1am.

From what I understand there will be no units to sell to walk up customers b/c stores aren't getting as many as they hoped and those that they do get will be going to Pre-Orders.

[efoto]

I'm holding out until all three systems are out.

Agreed. I want to see and actually use all three new systems before purchasing one, because if at all it will be only one as I'm poor and have other wants that far outweigh a game console. This would be the first console I ever purchase, well since NES but that was a gift I believe ;)

[TheGimp]

I'm confused now. :( . The UberBox has component out (RGB), while the display has DVI in, have you found a converter to do this? For the life of me, I can only find DVI->Component.

RGB easily outputs to dvi-i (which is what Apple DVI is) using an inexpensive adapter.

[TheGimp]

I'm going to buy all of them without hesitation and each time trash talk the previous one.

[Sdashiki]

I just read something that makes me wonder why the hell they are making the base system anyway.

Without a HD you cant save games.

A 64MB card (vs the 20GB hd) is $40+ and is a MUST even for the base system because without it, you cant even save one game or your controller settings etc.

Kinda retarded that you have to buy the base + memory card, when for $100 more you get all the big bundle.

thats so friggen retarded. They sell a system you cant even save a damn thing on without buying something else....I mean PS2 etc is the same way but I mean they didnt offer you a HD version of the PS for $100 more....

if anyone buys the base system, they got majorly majorly gyped.

[benpatient]

wait, apple's DVI interface is DVI-I?


Does the ACD (the most recent ones, not the bubble ones with ADC) accept a signal from a VGA-only graphics card?

Usually, the graphics card will have a DVI connection, and it will be DVI-I, and thus capable of sending both analog(VGA) and digital (DVI-D) signals concurrently over the same cable. But if the 360 only offers VGA, composite, s-video and component connections, then that looks pretty "analog-only" to me. The implication is that the unit itself will only send hi-def over analog video. Most monitors that lack an analog video connection (only DVI inputs, for example) cannot read the analog portion of DVI-I because the presumption is that the source end of the DVI cable is sending a DVI digital signal, and only "possibly" a VGA signal, as well. Since the ACD doesn't have a VGA input, it seems unlikely that it can read analog signals, which is a different process.

[clayj]

if anyone buys the base system, they got majorly majorly gyped.I would say the opposite; if they included a memory unit in the Xbox 360 package, I'd feel like I was being ripped off, since there's no chance I'd ever use it. I hate having to buy accessories for which I have no use.

It's the same as the new iPods... they don't include docks and extra cables, but I'm fine with that since I wouldn't use them and wouldn't want to pay for them.

[benpatient]

I just read through Apple's "display" page in their store and I'm 99% sure that the new ACDs won't accept any type of analog display signal.

No "simple adapter" will connect the 360 to an ACD...

[benpatient]

I would say the opposite; if they included a memory unit in the Xbox 360 package, I'd feel like I was being ripped off, since there's no chance I'd ever use it. I hate having to buy accessories for which I have no use.

wow.

you wouldn't use the hard drive?

You wouldn't use the wireless controller?

The xbox without a hard drive would have been terrible. or at least lame. It was by far the best feature of that console.

[clayj]

wow.

you wouldn't use the hard drive?

You wouldn't use the wireless controller?

The xbox without a hard drive would have been terrible. or at least lame. It was by far the best feature of that console.Um... I *am* buying the hard drive, and an extra wireless controller (so I'll have two).

What I was objecting to is the inclusion of "extra" accessories like memory units (the little 64 MB doohickey that you can save some of your game info to). Sdashiki was complaining that there is no memory unit in the 360's box, and I was saying I'm fine with that.

[Sdashiki]

wow.

you wouldn't use the hard drive?

You wouldn't use the wireless controller?

The xbox without a hard drive would have been terrible. or at least lame. It was by far the best feature of that console.

dood, you dont seem to even get what I said,

the XBOX 360 HAS NO WAY TO SAVE GAMES, or OPTIONAL INFO, like music volume, controller settings etc. WITHOUT some other device. And ever since the N64 cartridge debacle, thats the way it has always bin, move to optical media and you need someplace to save even mundane settings.

You can either get the 20GB HD, or buy the $40 64MB memory card.

but for $60 more you get the 20GB HD, so regardless if you want the HD stuff and the wireless controller, you NEED something to save stuff to.

64MB vs 20GB
$40 vs $100

seems like no contest.

[efoto]

Um... I *am* buying the hard drive, and an extra wireless controller (so I'll have two).

What I was objecting to is the inclusion of "extra" accessories like memory units (the little 64 MB doohickey that you can save some of your game info to). Sdashiki was complaining that there is no memory unit in the 360's box, and I was saying I'm fine with that.

I don't get how you can be fine with that though. Granted you opted to get the harddrive version so you can save games and have more space, but without that the 'core' version cannot even save a game or controller settings without purchasing an accessory piece....that is pretty lame considering most all games on current consoles requiring savings since very few are one-sit plays.

I think that 64MB for $40 compared to 20GB for $100 is an obviously easy choice, but selling a gaming console that can't save squat natively is pretty silly.

[clayj]

I don't get how you can be fine with that though. Granted you opted to get the harddrive version so you can save games and have more space, but without that the 'core' version cannot even save a game or controller settings without purchasing an accessory piece....that is pretty lame considering most all games on current consoles requiring savings since very few are one-sit plays.

I think that 64MB for $40 compared to 20GB for $100 is an obviously easy choice, but selling a gaming console that can't save squat natively is pretty silly.So what are you suggesting, then? Should they include the 64 MB memory unit in every box, even though a lot of people aren't going to use it? Or should they include the 20 GB HD in every box, causing the console to cost $100 more for EVERYONE? Or should they do a mix (some boxes with memory units, some boxes with HDs), even though that would cause chaos for the retailers?

Selling accessories separately is the most logical way to go.

[Sdashiki]

So what are you suggesting, then? Should they include the 64 MB memory unit in every box, even though a lot of people aren't going to use it? Or should they include the 20 GB HD in every box, causing the console to cost $100 more for EVERYONE? Or should they do a mix (some boxes with memory units, some boxes with HDs), even though that would cause chaos for the retailers?

Selling accessories separately is the most logical way to go.

NO.

M$ should do what they did before, sell the damn f*cken XBOX with a built in HD, they are being stupid and pointless in NOT supplying a way to save stuff.

The original $200 XBOX had a built in 8GB, and with the $300 360, you get NOTHING!

So, dont argue with me, logically nothing can make sense here. NOTHING.

the fact they are selling two damn machines makes it hectic for not just retailers, but developers and users alike.

so yes sell EVERY 360 with a HD, makes the most sense to me. Yeah its $400, but dont complain, cuz no one is telling you to buy it right away. It will be $200 this time next year im sure.

[clayj]

NO.

M$ should do what they did before, sell the damn f*cken XBOX with a built in HD, they are being stupid and pointless in NOT supplying a way to save stuff.

The original $200 XBOX had a built in 8GB, and with the $300 360, you get NOTHING!

So, dont argue with me, logically nothing can make sense here. NOTHING.

the fact they are selling two damn machines makes it hectic for not just retailers, but developers and users alike.

so yes sell EVERY 360 with a HD, makes the most sense to me. Yeah its $400, but dont complain, cuz no one is telling you to buy it right away. It will be $200 this time next year im sure.Wow.

OK, where to begin. The original Xbox was mainly built using off-the-shelf components... the 360 is built using many new, cutting-edge components, including THREE CPUs and a new GPU that is tremendously powerful.

Also, the Xbox was not ORIGINALLY $200... it was more like $400. I just pulled up my Gamestop order confirmation e-mail from back in 2001, and my order then was around $800... the same as my order NOW. So I'd argue that the units are priced almost identically now vs. then.

The making of the HD an option will save $100 for those people (and they are out there, trust me) who won't need the HD for whatever reason... also, by making it EXTERNAL, Microsoft has the option later on to release bigger HDs for the 360. (If you open the case of the 360, you void the warranty AND you'll not be able to connect to Xbox Live games.)

Now that I've demonstrated some sense, perhaps you'd care to calm down. "Don't argue with me"? You couldn't have picked another phrase more demanding of a response.

[saunders45]

NO.

M$ should do what they did before, sell the damn f*cken XBOX with a built in HD, they are being stupid and pointless in NOT supplying a way to save stuff.

The original $200 XBOX had a built in 8GB, and with the $300 360, you get NOTHING!

So, dont argue with me, logically nothing can make sense here. NOTHING.

the fact they are selling two damn machines makes it hectic for not just retailers, but developers and users alike.

so yes sell EVERY 360 with a HD, makes the most sense to me. Yeah its $400, but dont complain, cuz no one is telling you to buy it right away. It will be $200 this time next year im sure.

Dude................. follow my lead, breathe in.......breathe out..... feel better now?

[saunders45]

but without that the 'core' version cannot even save a game or controller settings without purchasing an accessory piece....that is pretty lame considering most all games on current consoles requiring savings since very few are one-sit plays.


Like a PS3 you mean?

[efoto]

So what are you suggesting, then? Should they include the 64 MB memory unit in every box, even though a lot of people aren't going to use it? Or should they include the 20 GB HD in every box, causing the console to cost $100 more for EVERYONE? Or should they do a mix (some boxes with memory units, some boxes with HDs), even though that would cause chaos for the retailers?

Selling accessories separately is the most logical way to go.

I must not understand the market well enough then (no sarcasm at all) because every single PS2 owner I know has a memory card to save games, and everyone I know with an Xbox does save their games on the built-in memory. How many people sit down, play for an hour or two, and then walk away without saving their progress, or wanting to anyway (if they don't have the means to do so)??

Like I said, perhaps I don't know the market well enough, but it seems to me that some amount of memory should be included natively. I think Sony should have done so on the PS2 as well. I remember a ton of bundles that had memory in them....so they obviously realized it was a necessity/mass-want post-facto.

Like a PS3 you mean?

I don't know the system well enough, but if it's like PS2 coming without any memory standard, then I think Sony should bundle at least something to store a few saved game files or at the minimum, customized controller settings. How annoying is it to have to setup your controller every time you sit down to play?? :mad: Think of it with computer games....no one would put up with it if every time you launched the game and the arrow-keys were movement when we all know WASD are far superior ;)

[clayj]

I really don't see why this is so difficult to understand... no one is disputing that most people want to save their games on Xbox 360, PS3, etc. But the 360 is the only system (so far) to offer a hard drive as an OPTION. Since it's optional, it doesn't make sense from a financial perspective to include a memory unit in every 360 box, since most 360 users are NOT going to use it. Most 360 users are, in fact, going to buy the optional HD so that they can take full advantage of the 360's features. (With the original Xbox, the HD was INCLUDED, so the memory unit was TOTALLY optional.) Not including the HD in the new Xbox 360 makes sense for the reasons I described above: cost reduction and modularity.

So:

1. Buy Xbox 360.
2. If you want it, buy the optional HD. OR, buy the optional memory unit.

Easy?

[saunders45]

I don't know the system well enough, but if it's like PS2 coming without any memory standard, then I think Sony should bundle at least something to store a few saved game files or at the minimum, customized controller settings. How annoying is it to have to setup your controller every time you sit down to play?? :mad: Think of it with computer games....no one would put up with it if every time you launched the game and the arrow-keys were movement when we all know WASD are far superior ;)

First off....... I prefer the arrow keys
:rolleyes:

Second the reason why they don't include a memory card, money. They don't make jack on the system, it's all in the accessories. Sony's "Official" memory cards sold for $20 each. you know how much we paid for them? IIRC it was like $13.00. What was Sony's cost, around $2. Most accessories are dirt cheap to make, but gouged to supplant the loss on every console sold.

[natehan]

Will stores have extra xbox's available for purchase on the release date? If so, I might just wait til Black Friday and spend a crap load...

[iPoster]

Yawn. :rolleyes: Let me know when Xbox or Xbox360 have any unique games worth playing....

[saunders45]

Yawn. :rolleyes: Let me know when Xbox or Xbox360 have any unique games worth playing....

Like what? Final Fantasy !!11!11! eleventy one?

[satans_banjo]

hang on...

do i only see 2 controller ports?

does that mean you can only have 2 players on split-screen, or can you have up to 4 with wireless controllers?

[saunders45]

You can have 3 wired controllers max(one USB port in the back IIRC), and 4 wireless max.

[efoto]

I really don't see why this is so difficult to understand... no one is disputing that most people want to save their games on Xbox 360, PS3, etc. But the 360 is the only system (so far) to offer a hard drive as an OPTION. Since it's optional, it doesn't make sense from a financial perspective to include a memory unit in every 360 box, since most 360 users are NOT going to use it. Most 360 users are, in fact, going to buy the optional HD so that they can take full advantage of the 360's features. (With the original Xbox, the HD was INCLUDED, so the memory unit was TOTALLY optional.) Not including the HD in the new Xbox 360 makes sense for the reasons I described above: cost reduction and modularity.

So:

1. Buy Xbox 360.
2. If you want it, buy the optional HD. OR, buy the optional memory unit.

Easy?

I see your point, however it seems that saving configurations/games should be an inherent feature of such a system. For those that opted for the HD one, they obviously won't use the memory module since they have a much larger storage device. But, for those that didn't up the extra $100, it would still be nice to have some option to save games/configs, even if it isn't that many.

Basically I was trying to state that I think the memory module should be included in the core system (how much is it going to cost them....$1.50? :p) and not included in the HD version since there would be no point.

It's like buying shoes and not being able to wear them because they didn't come with laces.

[XNine]

(If you open the case of the 360, you void the warranty AND you'll not be able to connect to Xbox Live games.)


Hrm?

Where'd you hear this? Is this true? That would be quit ethe interesting development. Sneaky bastards. So, in a couple years when mod chips are available for it and done correctly, I'll be screwed for getting on LIVE with the unmodded partition?

If you have a link, please provide it. It sounds like cheeky old microsoft alright!

[benpatient]

well, they did the math and figured that people would go for the 300/400 dollar option, but they wouldn't go for the 330/430 dollar option.

marketing people made the decision as to what needed to be included in each system, not the hardware developers.

this way, mom and dad can buy the "big" 300 dollar part, granny can buy the memory card and a controller, and uncle earl can buy a couple of games.

M$ is already losing $ on every one the sell. You guys talking about the 2 dollar memory cards that they charge 20-30 bucks for don't seem to mind when you only have to pay 300 dollars for a machine that cost probably almost 2x that to build. There's more processing power under the hood of the 360 than there should be for how much it costs. If you don't pay 20 bucks for a memory card, then that's 18 more dollars they're losing with every sale. I'd rather buy the 400 dollar one and let people who don't want the HDD pay that extra 18 bucks for the memory chip, rather than have to pay what it actually costs M$ to build the 360, plus market costs (20-30% retail markup, etc). We'd probably be looking at a machine that was nearly 1000 bucks. 20 bucks for a memory card doesn't look so bad all of the sudden, then, does it?

[clayj]

Hrm?

Where'd you hear this? Is this true? That would be quit ethe interesting development. Sneaky bastards. So, in a couple years when mod chips are available for it and done correctly, I'll be screwed for getting on LIVE with the unmodded partition?

If you have a link, please provide it. It sounds like cheeky old microsoft alright!The info to which I refer is in the "Xbox 360 Dissected" thread... apparently, the 360 "knows" when it's been opened, and that status is available to the Xbox Live service. (Much like some Dell workstations will flash a message on the screen "Case has been opened!" when you boot them... an anti-theft measure.)

[efoto]

well, they did the math and figured that people would go for the 300/400 dollar option, but they wouldn't go for the 330/430 dollar option.

marketing people made the decision as to what needed to be included in each system, not the hardware developers.

this way, mom and dad can buy the "big" 300 dollar part, granny can buy the memory card and a controller, and uncle earl can buy a couple of games.

M$ is already losing $ on every one the sell. You guys talking about the 2 dollar memory cards that they charge 20-30 bucks for don't seem to mind when you only have to pay 300 dollars for a machine that cost probably almost 2x that to build. There's more processing power under the hood of the 360 than there should be for how much it costs. If you don't pay 20 bucks for a memory card, then that's 18 more dollars they're losing with every sale. I'd rather buy the 400 dollar one and let people who don't want the HDD pay that extra 18 bucks for the memory chip, rather than have to pay what it actually costs M$ to build the 360, plus market costs (20-30% retail markup, etc). We'd probably be looking at a machine that was nearly 1000 bucks. 20 bucks for a memory card doesn't look so bad all of the sudden, then, does it?

I'd pay $1000 for a system as long as it was upgradable and compatible with multiple formats (ie could play Xbox games, PS2 games, etc). I have no problem spending money for what I perceive to be a quality product, I do however have issues with spending money for sh** that stays current for only a short while and isn't backwards compatible. (not directed solely at Xbox360 of course ;) )

[XNine]

I'd pay $1000 for a system as long as it was upgradable and compatible with multiple formats (ie could play Xbox games, PS2 games, etc). I have no problem spending money for what I perceive to be a quality product, I do however have issues with spending money for sh** that stays current for only a short while and isn't backwards compatible. (not directed solely at Xbox360 of course ;) )

But that's the way of technology. You buy a MAc but it's not compatible with Windows software, and it's only really THAT useful for 3-4 years, same as an Xbox or PS, which cost less. Consoles have always been this way. They're usefulness ends when bigger, better technology completely engulfs it.

[efoto]

But that's the way of technology. You buy a MAc but it's not compatible with Windows software, and it's only really THAT useful for 3-4 years, same as an Xbox or PS, which cost less. Consoles have always been this way. They're usefulness ends when bigger, better technology completely engulfs it.

I realize that. I was just making a point of saying it like that to prove that $1000 isn't that big for a system that could do all that. I also realize that there are limits to the life of electronic devices, but it still seems that things should work 'out of the box' in my mind....but my mind is special so I'm not surprised that things don't come the way that I want them :p

[twoodcc]

well i pre-ordered mine back in July from gamestop. they said i should get mine on the 22nd (not the midnight release). now, is it possible that they took more pre-orders than xbox's that they will get on the 22nd? i will be very very upset if i don't get mine on the 22nd. i will be there before it opens, but is the pre-orders like a first come basis? (in other words, everyone who pre-ordered has to fight in line to get one?)

[clayj]

well i pre-ordered mine back in July from gamestop. they said i should get mine on the 22nd (not the midnight release). now, is it possible that they took more pre-orders than xbox's that they will get on the 22nd? i will be very very upset if i don't get mine on the 22nd. i will be there before it opens, but is the pre-orders like a first come basis? (in other words, everyone who pre-ordered has to fight in line to get one?)I ordered mine from EBGames.com the first day they were available... they sent me an e-mail a while back saying that all preorders made before a certain day would get launch-day fulfillment, and later orders would be allocated as new shipments come in.

So, barring any screwups by FedEx, I should have my Xbox 360 next Tuesday. :)

[plinden]

Anandtech have dissected one - http://www.anandtech.com/systems/showdoc.aspx?i=2610

[twoodcc]

I ordered mine from EBGames.com the first day they were available... they sent me an e-mail a while back saying that all preorders made before a certain day would get launch-day fulfillment, and later orders would be allocated as new shipments come in.

So, barring any screwups by FedEx, I should have my Xbox 360 next Tuesday. :)

great, so there is a chance i won't get mine? i called the place and the guy said i would get mine the 22nd, but i don't know if i'm GUARANTEED to get one

[clayj]

great, so there is a chance i won't get mine? i called the place and the guy said i would get mine the 22nd, but i don't know if i'm GUARANTEED to get oneThat's between you and Gamestop, I reckon. I read through my e-mail from EBGames and I'm not "guaranteed" mine, either... but the e-mail said that they anticipate enough inventory, so I have no choice but to trust that they'll have 'em on time.

[twoodcc]

That's between you and Gamestop, I reckon. I read through my e-mail from EBGames and I'm not "guaranteed" mine, either... but the e-mail said that they anticipate enough inventory, so I have no choice but to trust that they'll have 'em on time.

yeah i guess, but i pre-ordered mine at the store, not online, so no emails for me. i guess all i can do is call them tomorrow. i'm planning on trading in my xbox towards the 360, but not if i'm not guaranteed to get one on the 22nd. man if i don't get it, there goes my "christmas in november"

[buryyourbrideau]

the 360 can support 4 controllers max at one time

no matter wired or wireless

i just went out and bought a wired one tonight so there wont be any lag in halo with a wireless controller.

i also bought madden 06 and nba live 06 for the 360 so ill have games for tue.

i didnt preorder but im waiting in line at target tue morn at probably 5 am. im sure i will be able to get one

[twoodcc]

the 360 can support 4 controllers max at one time

no matter wired or wireless

i just went out and bought a wired one tonight so there wont be any lag in halo with a wireless controller.

i also bought madden 06 and nba live 06 for the 360 so ill have games for tue.

i didnt preorder but im waiting in line at target tue morn at probably 5 am. im sure i will be able to get one

so the games are already in the store? do you think they'll run out of madden? how much did they cost?

[twoodcc]

Xbox 360 suxxorz so hard.

PS3 fanboy fo life...or until something better arrives.:rolleyes:

right, and how does that help on this thread?

[Piarco]

i believe the core box is green
The core system is exactly the same as the big bundle system, just minus the "chrome detailing" - so basically the CD drawer is white rather than silver. I actually prefer is just white!

I unfortunately pre-ordered my system on the 3rd Nov - the day after the now known Amazon(.co.uk) cut-off point. And according to the xbox page, I can expect it some time in 2006! My housemate who is is marketing is of the opinion the predicted low initial volume of available xbox's is purely just another method of marketing hype - I really hope she's right! I've got a brand new Samsung 26" HiDef TV waiting to help me find out what hidef gaming looks like - I've ordered Quake4, CoD2 and PGR3 from the get-go...

Update: Just checked My Amazon to cancel two items I'd ordered for the xbox (vga cable - don't need as my new TV takes component, and the media remote - the xbox should come with a basic one bundled according to the item details) and it now says that the order will be delivered before Dec 24th! Better not be the 24th - I head to my parents house for xmas on the evening of the 23rd!

[pionata]

I'm confused now. :( . The UberBox has component out (RGB), while the display has DVI in, have you found a converter to do this? For the life of me, I can only find DVI->Component.

The adapters are prety expensive:
http://www.gefen.com/

I guess you'll have to wait for a ps3 if microsuck...

[kuyu]

Mine should be here on the 23rd. I have nothing to do on Wednesday, so I'll see some of you on Live.

Anyone else been following the reviews? So far, the launch lineup looks really strong. PGR3 and CoDII look to be the ones to beat. They've said that CoDII looks better on 360 than on a gaming pc with SLiI'd 7800's! Sweet jesus, this thing is going to be so much fun.

[jelloshotsrule]

I was going to sit outside to get one (mainly because that night I have nothing better to do so why not give it a shot) but then they released their compatibility list for XBox games and... out of the 30-40 games I own 3 were on the list... 3 of which I don't play anymore. I know that I can still play them on my old XBox but I was planning on getting the 360 and getting rid of the XBox immediately.

where can one find that list?

[efoto]

where can one find that list?

G-oogle told me here (http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/backwardcompatibilitygameslist.htm), however due to our nice corporate filters, I can't view it so I hope that's the right one :o The link had already been clicked by me, so I think it's the same one I was viewing last night....hope it helps.

[GFLPraxis]

where can one find that list?
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=161093

[belvdr]

Xbox 360 suxxorz so hard.

PS3 fanboy fo life...or until something better arrives.:rolleyes:

Something better just arrived. It's called..... the Atari 2600.

EDIT: Forgot to say that it roxorz or pwnz, or whatever.

[sanford]

I've haven't pre-ordered. Ostensibly I'm not even getting a 360 -- at least that's what I'm telling my wife. By happy coincidence -- no, really -- we'll go grocery shopping on Tuesday morning, the day of the launch, at SuperTarget. So I'm betting when we get there a little before noon-ish, they'll still have some premium 360 kits available. At least a few. I really hope they're sold out. If they have some, I'm going to have buy one, and I'm going to get walloped over the head with it on the way out to the car. Better if it's just not there; but I'm betting they'll have at least couple left.

[MacFan782040]

They stole the whole "box with a handle" thing from Apple!!!!!

[efoto]

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=161093

I knew it was a forum around here somewhere, I just couldn't find it for the life of me. Thanks for posting that direct link.

[saunders45]

They stole the whole "box with a handle" thing from Apple!!!!!

Or not...... I guarantee apple wasn't the first to do it.

[buryyourbrideau]

so the games are already in the store? do you think they'll run out of madden? how much did they cost?

yea the games came out on the 17th, but target was putting them out and i asked if i could buy them and he let me.

madden and nba live were 59.99 each

i would pick it up soon if i were you because reviews of this new next gen madden are pretty good and im sure they will sell out

[twoodcc]

yea the games came out on the 17th, but target was putting them out and i asked if i could buy them and he let me.

madden and nba live were 59.99 each

i would pick it up soon if i were you because reviews of this new next gen madden are pretty good and im sure they will sell out

thanks. i might buy a game tomorrow, but i'm waiting on a phone call from gamestop to tell me when i get to pick up my xbox 360. i'm not going to be happy if they say in late december or something

[clayj]

thanks. i might buy a game tomorrow, but i'm waiting on a phone call from gamestop to tell me when i get to pick up my xbox 360. i'm not going to be happy if they say in late december or somethingGot my Madden 2006 and NHL 2006 today... still waiting for Tuesday for the 360...

[XNine]

Got my Madden 2006 and NHL 2006 today... still waiting for Tuesday for the 360...

HAve you played a demo of NHL? Man, I need another good Hockey game. I plan on pciking CoD2 up tonight on the way home. Maybe we'll emet on Live? :)

[Lau]

Actually, scrap that, says a bad word in it....

Oops....

Was a funny Penny Arcade cartoon about pre-ordering, if anyone wants a gander.

[MacNoobie]

Xbox 360 suxxorz so hard.

PS3 fanboy fo life...or until something better arrives.:rolleyes:

Wow what a 13 year old n00b

[iPoster]

Five reasons not to buy the 360 right away

1: To Avoid Pricey Bundle Deals
If you havent preordered your Xbox 360 by now, you probably wont get one on launch day. Were going to make as many as we can, says xbox corporate vice president J Allard, and we wont create artificial scarcity---thats BS. But its an incredibly ambitious system that weve done with our partners. Theres a lot of cutting-edge stuff coming together. Your sole option at this point: Hilariously expensive Xbox 360 presale bundles from online retailers www.ebgames.com and www.gamestop.com. Even the core, hard-drive-less system will run you $600 with five predetermined launch-day-ish games, an additional wired controller, and a memory card. Then prices and options range up to a $2,000 behemoth (aka the divorce-guilt remedy for wealthy and emotionally absent parents kit) that drowns you in a glut of Microsoft emblazoned merchandise, every accessory, three additional wireless controllers, 20 games, a one year warranty, and an orphaned Chinese infant. The real rub: These stores do not guarantee you will get the systems or the games on launch day, but a few do offer extended warranties for the hardware, which is a good idea when dealing with historically glitch-ridden first-batch consoles.

2: Your Not Sure About Those Day-One Games
Even after figuring in wishful thinking, it looks like the Xbox 360 will hit with no more then 10 games on its launch day. Half of them are sports games.

3: Your Not Sure About That Hard Drive
By not packing that detachable 20GB hard drive into every Xbox 360 and selling it separately for a pricey $100, Microsoft has split its Market between the HDD haves and HDD have-nots---a risk for developers planning to support the drive. That doesnt mean games wont take advantage of it launch title oblivion uses it for speedier load times, and youll need it to play online role-playing games like Final Fantasy XI. We wanted to give gamers a choice, Says Allard of the decision to sell a cheaper, hard-drive-free 360 package. Well, you did: They can choose to avoid the system until its clear that the hard drive is used for more then online downloads and playing Xbox 1 games.

4: The Graphics Just Arent Advanced Enough For Ya
Ever since we first saw Xbox 360 games back in march, weve felt under wowed by their visuals, which on a bad day look like good Xbox 1 games. Microsoft says to keep our expectations in check. As we get closer to reality, the visual quantum leap is going to be smaller by definition, says Allard. Great, but that doesnt explain blab-looking ports like Tony Hawks American Wasteland.
If your waiting to see if first-generation playstation 3 titles pack more dazzle, dont, say from PS3 launch games. Allard says, ultimately, its the new game play features (especially those tied to Xbox Live)---not graphics---thatll make Xbox 360 games special. There wasnt a 30-Second trailer that would have made any of us say Grand Theft Auto is going to sell 20 million copies he says.

5: Is This Thing Future-Proof?
Gigabit Ethernet. Blu-ray high-definition DVDs. Ultra sharp 1080p resolution. If you techie types havent passed out from your raging erections, your probably wondering if the 360 will cry uncle when the playstation 3---whose Ethernet port is 10 times quicker, DVD capacity is about three times greater, and max resolution is sharper---hits next year. Weve not in this for the big marketing numbers, says director of Xbox Console Development Greg Gibson. Were in it for the real customers with real applications and real televisions. Gibson insists the PS3s pumped up feature are irrelevant to gamers, adding the Microsoft has upgrade plans in the works should features like high-definition DVD become important.

:rolleyes:

[twoodcc]

well i might not get my xbox 360 on tuesday, even though i pre-ordered. now i'm gonna try to get it at either wal-mart or target. does wal-mart take pre-orders? it says on their website that they will have 360's available at 12:00am in stores.

[buryyourbrideau]

well, they did the math and figured that people would go for the 300/400 dollar option, but they wouldn't go for the 330/430 dollar option.

marketing people made the decision as to what needed to be included in each system, not the hardware developers.

this way, mom and dad can buy the "big" 300 dollar part, granny can buy the memory card and a controller, and uncle earl can buy a couple of games.

M$ is already losing $ on every one the sell. You guys talking about the 2 dollar memory cards that they charge 20-30 bucks for don't seem to mind when you only have to pay 300 dollars for a machine that cost probably almost 2x that to build. There's more processing power under the hood of the 360 than there should be for how much it costs. If you don't pay 20 bucks for a memory card, then that's 18 more dollars they're losing with every sale. I'd rather buy the 400 dollar one and let people who don't want the HDD pay that extra 18 bucks for the memory chip, rather than have to pay what it actually costs M$ to build the 360, plus market costs (20-30% retail markup, etc). We'd probably be looking at a machine that was nearly 1000 bucks. 20 bucks for a memory card doesn't look so bad all of the sudden, then, does it?


hahaha 1000 to make, yea right, i love the 360 but i highly doubt it considering the ps3 has more powerful internals and only costs right under 500 to make :p

[clayj]

hahaha 1000 to make, yea right, i love the 360 but i highly doubt it considering the ps3 has more powerful internals and only costs right under 500 to make :pI'm curious as to how you know how much a PS3 costs/will cost to make, considering that they're not due to be released for several months.

But it's an undisputable fact that Microsoft is going to lose a BUNCH of money on each Xbox 360 sold. That they are not including unnecessary accessories such as memory units shows financial responsibility on their part.

[GFLPraxis]

I'm curious as to how you know how much a PS3 costs/will cost to make, considering that they're not due to be released for several months.

But it's an undisputable fact that Microsoft is going to lose a BUNCH of money on each Xbox 360 sold. That they are not including unnecessary accessories such as memory units shows financial responsibility on their part.

Nobody EVER includes memory units. That actually IS disputable. Merril Lynch estimates an average of a $40 loss per system. Microsoft has stated that they actually want to make money this time.

[clayj]

Nobody EVER includes memory units. That actually IS disputable. Merril Lynch estimates an average of a $40 loss per system. Microsoft has stated that they actually want to make money this time.And putting a memory unit in the box would increase that loss substantially (on a percentage basis). So I'm glad they're not going to include one, even in the HD-less 360 boxes.

[GFLPraxis]

If you don't pay 20 bucks for a memory card, then that's 18 more dollars they're losing with every sale. I'd rather buy the 400 dollar one and let people who don't want the HDD pay that extra 18 bucks for the memory chip,

The memory card is $40, not $18. Massively overpriced.

rather than have to pay what it actually costs M$ to build the 360, plus market costs (20-30% retail markup, etc). We'd probably be looking at a machine that was nearly 1000 bucks. 20 bucks for a memory card doesn't look so bad all of the sudden, then, does it?

Are you JOKING? As I said in my above post, Merril Lynch estimates a $40 loss per system (build cost is $340). Microsoft has said they intend to make money this time; the XBox sold at an $80 loss and lost over a billion dollars per year for four years. $1000? A $700 loss? You've gotta be kidding me; that would bankrupt even Microsoft.

[buryyourbrideau]

I'm curious as to how you know how much a PS3 costs/will cost to make, considering that they're not due to be released for several months.

But it's an undisputable fact that Microsoft is going to lose a BUNCH of money on each Xbox 360 sold. That they are not including unnecessary accessories such as memory units shows financial responsibility on their part.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/06/28/news_6128295.html

there ya go!

[clayj]

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/06/28/news_6128295.html

there ya go!So, we have:

Xbox 360: $340 to build, sells for $299 = loss of $41 / unit at launch
PS3: $494 to build, sells for $399 = loss of $95 / unit at launch

Sure hope Sony can afford to lose that much per unit... we all know that Microsoft can, and Microsoft will no doubt reduce that loss / unit much more quickly than Sony.

[buryyourbrideau]

So, we have:

Xbox 360: $340 to build, sells for $299 = loss of $41 / unit at launch
PS3: $494 to build, sells for $399 = loss of $95 / unit at launch

Sure hope Sony can afford to lose that much per unit... we all know that Microsoft can, and Microsoft will no doubt reduce that loss / unit much more quickly than Sony.

well i dont know about that, the only reason i say that is that when ps2 was released. they lost almost 500 million the first year, only to profit 500 million the next. so thats a billion dollar turn around in one year which is pretty amazing. however, if the ps3 does sell at 400, they will lose 1.8 BILLION in the first year on hardware alone. so that may be a little harder to make up then their previous debts.

[berkleeboy210]

Gamestop Already told me I won't be in the first shipment. They don't know which one I'll be in.. (I preordered in September).

All of the games I reserved are in tho. The Recording on the phone when they called about the games said "If you preordered after May 23rd you are not guaranteed to get one Tuesday".

I might order it from Circuit City friday at 2.... and then Cancel my Gamestop Pre-Order and use the money I put down on the 360 for the games.

[GFLPraxis]

So, we have:

Xbox 360: $340 to build, sells for $299 = loss of $41 / unit at launch
PS3: $494 to build, sells for $399 = loss of $95 / unit at launch

Sure hope Sony can afford to lose that much per unit... we all know that Microsoft can, and Microsoft will no doubt reduce that loss / unit much more quickly than Sony.

It should be noted, however, that in the case of the PS3 Sony hasn't actually unveiled all the GPU specs and it's hard to know how much Blu-ray will cost when the system actually ships as it depends on how it fairs vs HD-DVD over the next few months (it's anywhere from 6 months to a year away). The estimate on Blu-ray is a projection, but the estimate on the RSX GPU is basicly just an educated guess. And also note that prices change over 6-12 months; by the time the PS3 comes out, some of the listed components will be cheaper (though the same will be true of the XBox 360). The estimate is for if it launched now.


The XBox 360, on the other hand, is already shipping to stores and will be available for sale in five days, so the estimates are understandably more accurate.

Either way, I'll be watching Microsoft's profits with interest when the 360 actually ships.

[Tommyg117]

ok, why is the one premium bundle so expensive on circuit city? The core system with two games should equal about $500 or 520 at the MOST. It is 590?????? are you kidding me? what's the deal circuit city?????

[clayj]

ok, why is the one premium bundle so expensive on circuit city? The core system with two games should equal about $500 or 520 at the MOST. It is 590?????? are you kidding me? what's the deal circuit city?????Did you really add up ALL of the things you get in that package?

[Tommyg117]

Did you really add up ALL of the things you get in that package?
no, but I tried to preorder at a limited best buy on line sale and didn't get one. a similar package with madden in place of need for speed was about 70 dollars less.

[buryyourbrideau]

no, but I tried to preorder at a limited best buy on line sale and didn't get one. a similar package with madden in place of need for speed was about 70 dollars less.

hahaha i was gonna preorder on that best buy online pre sale, but i didnt want to have it delivered and have it risk getting damaged in shipping and possibly not get it on tuesday so.....

i didnt remember there being best buy bundles either, i know bc i didnt want one and you could get just the premium system.

[twoodcc]

so where is the best place to get one on monday night or tuesday?

[twoodcc]

Gamestop Already told me I won't be in the first shipment. They don't know which one I'll be in.. (I preordered in September).

All of the games I reserved are in tho. The Recording on the phone when they called about the games said "If you preordered after May 23rd you are not guaranteed to get one Tuesday".

I might order it from Circuit City friday at 2.... and then Cancel my Gamestop Pre-Order and use the money I put down on the 360 for the games.

i'm thinking about doing the same thing. if i do, i will be guaranteed to get it on the 22nd?

[efoto]

hahaha i was gonna preorder on that best buy online pre sale, but i didnt want to have it delivered and have it risk getting damaged in shipping and possibly not get it on tuesday so.....

i didnt remember there being best buy bundles either, i know bc i didnt want one and you could get just the premium system.

You realize that the products are shipped to BB or CC or whatever retailer you choose to purchase from right? Modern packaging is a marvel of engineering for electronics. I wouldn't worry about shipping, unless you have pissed off your deliver guy and you know he'll kick the side in :p

[berkleeboy210]

i'm thinking about doing the same thing. if i do, i will be guaranteed to get it on the 22nd?

Yea, if you pay for next day shipping, it'll go out on Monday, and you'll get it Tuesday.


I wanted mine tuesday, so I could play it Thanksgiving Weekend, since I'm the majority of the week.

[saunders45]

The memory card is $40, not $18. Massively overpriced.

I don't disagree. However, when the cards first came out, they were $40 also. It's just the way it cycles. Remember how much a N64 memory card was when it launched? $34.99 It's jus the way the system works.

[Sdashiki]

I don't disagree. However, when the cards first came out, they were $40 also. It's just the way it cycles. Remember how much a N64 memory card was when it launched? $34.99 It's jus the way the system works.


But $100 more than the base system you get the 20GB HD, so anyone who buys one of the new games MUST either buy the system with the HD or spend a minimum of $40 on a 64MB memory card, just so they can save their games.

Sounds like a dumb logistical move, and only looks good one paper. When you realize you CANT NOT have some sort of storage device in todays games its a stupid idea to sell a nice bundle at $400 with a HD and then NO HD + memory card = $340, so for $60 more you get 2000MB as opposed to 64MB wow, just wow.

[buryyourbrideau]

You realize that the products are shipped to BB or CC or whatever retailer you choose to purchase from right? Modern packaging is a marvel of engineering for electronics. I wouldn't worry about shipping, unless you have pissed off your deliver guy and you know he'll kick the side in :p

well first off, when i talked about shipping, the preorders were shipped directly to your house from BB, so i meant i dont trust UPS all that much only because i have had bad experiences before.

AND....just so you all know, i used to work in the warehouse in circuit city, i received the trucks with all the products YOU buy, and believe me, we didnt always "carefully" handle the merchandise.

[buryyourbrideau]

so where is the best place to get one on monday night or tuesday?

i would go to a target or best buy really early in the morning like 4 or 5 and just see which ones lines are shorter. Best buy will have more units than target however. remember that

[benpatient]

wow.

You guys need to think about things a little more before you make arguments.

Every chip on the 360's motherboard has a microsoft logo on it, whereas most every chip on the original xbox had some other company's name on it. That means that MS spent a lot more money on R&D for this one. Merryl Lynch isn't including development costs in the "cost" of each 360. So you take 350 dollars per machine for hardware costs and production. Then, you're already losing 50 dollars per unit if you assume that the research and development costs were nill, and they were HIGH.

Billions of dollars.

Even if you disregard that, you have to realize that 30-100 dollars of each console sold at a retail outlet is PROFIT for the retailer. Which lowers microsoft's theoretical yield to something like 200-250 dollars per unit. Which is quite a loss.

You'll notice that I never said the 360 costs 1000 dollars to make. i said it should rightfully cost nearly 1000 dollars to purchase...If it costs 400 bucks to make, and microsoft wanted to make a 10% profit on each one (considerably less than Apple's average profit per hardware purchase, by the way), then the retail price would be, (with an at-retail mark-up of 20%) $525 plus tax.

the "full" version with HD and wireless, etc would add more than 100 more bucks to that. You're approaching 700 dollars, all the sudden. And that's STILL not accounting for the billions of dollars spent on research and development.

[benpatient]

DO NOT go to Target to get a release-day launch of anything.

When GT4 came out, Target didn't release it until 3 days later. in fact, they argued with me that the release date was a Friday, because that's when THEY were going to get it in. I wouldn't hold my breath at Target for anything.

[buryyourbrideau]

DO NOT go to Target to get a release-day launch of anything.

When GT4 came out, Target didn't release it until 3 days later. in fact, they argued with me that the release date was a Friday, because that's when THEY were going to get it in. I wouldn't hold my breath at Target for anything.

the target over by me already has 20 360's in the back and will be open at 8 am on tuesday with them on their shelves

[efoto]

well first off, when i talked about shipping, the preorders were shipped directly to your house from BB, so i meant i dont trust UPS all that much only because i have had bad experiences before.

AND....just so you all know, i used to work in the warehouse in circuit city, i received the trucks with all the products YOU buy, and believe me, we didnt always "carefully" handle the merchandise.

There is a difference between a residential delivery and receiving something at a store. You were employed by CC, and if you damaged something, CC was liable once you had signed for it. When UPS or Fedex delivers something to my residence, I can file a complaint before opening to show damages or other concerns and either the carrier (UPS/Fedex) or the shipper is charged, not me. I would prefer to have it delivered than go pick it up, simply because I know people like you work at CC/BB/etc and I don't want your mits on my sutff :p

[twoodcc]

well it's after 2:00pm and i'm not able to order the 360 at circuitcity.com. is anybody else?

[clayj]

well it's after 2:00pm and i'm not able to order the 360 at circuitcity.com. is anybody else?I checked... doesn't look like they're taking orders yet.

Still waiting for EBGames.com to tell me something... but I don't expect to get a shipment confirmation until Monday, really.

[twoodcc]

I checked... doesn't look like they're taking orders yet.

Still waiting for EBGames.com to tell me something... but I don't expect to get a shipment confirmation until Monday, really.

thanks for checking. hopefully they will soon. i guess all i can do is keep hitting refresh

[berkleeboy210]

Dammit! I've been refreshing CircuitCity.com since 2:00.... Around 3:55 I finally got to the checkout point... but then the server crashed when I was entering my shipping info...

then i went back about five minutes ago, and all premium bundles are sold out.

[clayj]

thanks for checking. hopefully they will soon. i guess all i can do is keep hitting refreshMine has entered shipping mode... the options to cancel or change the order are now gone, and there's a box graphic that I've seen before when something's being packed for shipping!

[belvdr]

Mine has entered shipping mode... the options to cancel or change the order are now gone, and there's a box graphic that I've seen before when something's being packed for shipping!

Hopefully, it's not a flyer saying it will ship in 4 weeks.. :) Good luck!

[berkleeboy210]

Well, I just got the call from Gamestop, that I'm not recieving my Xbox 360 until early 2006! Complete B.S.! I checked everyweek with them since I preordered a few months ago, and up until tuesday of this week, I was garuanteed to get one on Tuesday the 22nd.

I just called my local Costco, and they have 24 units in already, but won't sell them till Tuesday.

The guy said the store is opening at 10, and they are doing it on a first come first serve basis.

I'll probably go over there.

Circuit City is handing out Tickets beginning at 7:00AM and your system must be picked up by 12 noon, or the ticket will not be valid. They told me that they won't know how many units they have until Monday Night.

[twoodcc]

Dammit! I've been refreshing CircuitCity.com since 2:00.... Around 3:55 I finally got to the checkout point... but then the server crashed when I was entering my shipping info...

then i went back about five minutes ago, and all premium bundles are sold out.

i went throught the same thing, but i finally got mine ordered. it was supposed to thip today, but since it's sunday, i guess it'll ship tomorrow. i wonder how long it will take to get here though? it's saying estimated arrival date is 11/27, and i'm not going to be happy if it takes that long

[Abulia]

To (hopefully) end this thread with some useful information…

If you don't have a pre-pay, based on my experience and searching the 'net, you're best chances for a launch-day 360 are:

Best Buy (they have the largest per-store allocation of any B&M retailer; no bundles)
Circuit City (only a dozen units, but not a destination that everyone will be hitting; bundles only)
Target (as above)
Wal-Mart
Costco (Are said to be having "scavenger hunts" in their stores for their 360s)

Everyone, sans Best Buy, have low (a dozen or so) allocations of units. Most stores have twice the number of premiums as they do cores. CompUSA, for example, has cores only; if you don't mind a core you'll probably do well there.

In the past I've had amazing luck at Circuit City. I hit my local CC during the original Xbox launch about two hours before opening and was first in line for a voucher. Come back when the store opens, present voucher, and buy unit. For some reason Circuit City is not a gaming destination in the minds of most people.

I think Wal-Mart would be the worst. It's just Wal-Mart and the economy of scale; they'll be swamped.

Or you can eBay for approximately 150% over cost. :)

[XNine]

Well, my friend took the day off. He called aroudn to stores we were going to camp in front of. Turns out, two walmarts already ahve their shipments spoken for, and it's only 11:29 am. :eek:

I hope to god I can get one of these.

[clayj]

My 360 has shipped! Should be here by 3 PM tomorrow (assuming FedEx don't do their usual crap delivery job). :)

[takao]

My 360 has shipped! Should be here by 3 PM tomorrow (assuming FedEx don't do their usual crap delivery job). :)

congrats.. i expect of course pictures ;)

[Abulia]

My 360 has shipped! Should be here by 3 PM tomorrow (assuming FedEx don't do their usual crap delivery job). :)
Ditto! Just got the tracking number! :D

[WeeShoo]

I think Im gonna wait this one out. See how the 360 turns out, and get it when I can actaully go peacefully to my local Best-Buy and get it without any rush or frustration.

[2nyRiggz]

im hoping my friend gets ours tonight. waiting and waiting....i always like these times.

Bless

[clayj]

im hoping my friend gets ours tonight. waiting and waiting....i always like these times.

BlessYeah, the waiting is tough.

Good news here... got a bunch of new CAT-6 cable installed today between my living room (where the Xbox / 360 goes) and my office (where the media closet is)... got a couple of cool boxes that let you run component video (Y / Pb / Pr) over networking cable, so now I can run the Xbox 360 in beautiful HD 1080i. No more S-Video for me! :)

It feels like Christmas Eve to me... everything's ready, I just need my 360!

[2nyRiggz]

when i get mines (hoping tonight) tomorrow im going to get a VGA cable cuz my TV sucks and i rather hook it up to my LCD....im excited!

Bless