PS3 expected to dominate Xbox 360 and Revolution.

[AlmightyG5]

Interesting article:200 million next-gen consoles sold by 2012 (http://www.ebgames.com/ebx/product/media/relatedmedia.asp?element_id=A6129441&intDeptTab=16)

"The report predicts that over the next seven years, around 200 million next-generation consoles will be sold. Of those, 121.8 million (60.9 percent) will be PS3s, 58.8 (29.4 percent) will be Xbox 360s, and just 18 million (9 percent) will be Nintendo Revolutions. "Cumulative retail revenues for all consoles over this period will exceed $47 billion," said the report."

[clayj]

I just LOVE (absolutely being sarcastic here) how these analysts come up with these overly-precise numbers... they stink of being pulled out of someone's ass.

If this analyst is proven WRONG, do we get to punish him?

[rosalindavenue]

I dont think that's a bad prediction. Nintendo is out of the race; the perception is "less advanced konsole for kiddies." And as for Microsoft, even Microsoft's #1 fan/shill, Paul Thurott, seems to think that the opening lineup of games is disappointing (http://www.internet-nexus.com/2005/11/xbox-360-launch-lineup.htm) ("not spectacular") and may cost Microsoft the chance to build a possible lead.

[OutThere]

Playstation has always had the game power, and, in the end, the games get the buyers, not how good the graphics are. Basically the only reason that so many XBoxes sold was for Halo (that's the only reason I'd ever buy an Xbox). PS3 will now have the super next-gen graphics advantage, as well as an insane number of good games...Playstation has always been a step ahead of the XBox, and Microsoft has succeeded at getting a good share of the market, but they won't own it as they intend to.

[bbarnhart]

A lot can happen between now and 2012. I might even introduce a new gaming system.

[bluebomberman]

You're better off trying to predict what Apple's going to do in the next 2 years.

[Aeolius]

I know my next gaming console won't be a Revolution. Have you seen the controls for that thing? Blech!

[GFLPraxis]

I know my next gaming console won't be a Revolution. Have you seen the controls for that thing? Blech!

Yeah, it looks like the best FPS controller ever created :confused:

[Chaszmyr]

I'm really looking forward to the PS3, and I'll almost definitely get a Revolution, but it's very unlikely that I will get an Xbox360. I think there is at least a small possibility that Nintendo will take a lot of people by surprise with the popularity of Revolution.

[Whyren]

I'm really looking forward to the PS3, and I'll almost definitely get a Revolution, but it's very unlikely that I will get an Xbox360. I think there is at least a small possibility that Nintendo will take a lot of people by surprise with the popularity of Revolution.

I'd agree. Nintendo seems to be doing a lot of experimentation, development, and implementation that is only minimally being recognized/appreciated (DS, Rev. controller, WiFi). They may fade a bit in short term, but there will be a point when the "more power" philosophy fails and something else will step in...Nintendo seems to be setting themselves up to benefit from that situation.

[PixelFactory]

According to Strategy Analytics, the Xbox 360 will be the top console in the US and European markets...until 2007, provided Sony exploits its console's online potential and technical muscle. "Microsoft's Xbox 360 will present a serious challenge to Sony's dominance of the games console market," read the report. "But the PlayStation 3 (PS3) will eventually pull ahead if Sony ensures that its online experience matches that of the Xbox 360, and that its Cell processor technology meets its full potential to transform gaming into a near-video quality experience."

There are some big ifs in that analysis. As far as I know, Sony is letting developers deal with the online experience and we don't know if the PS3 will deliver on "near-video" quality graphics. My guess, not till 2008 when developers finally learn to exploit the system's power if ever.

[aswitcher]

Playstation has always had the game power, and, in the end, the games get the buyers, not how good the graphics are. Basically the only reason that so many XBoxes sold was for Halo (that's the only reason I'd ever buy an Xbox). PS3 will now have the super next-gen graphics advantage, as well as an insane number of good games...Playstation has always been a step ahead of the XBox, and Microsoft has succeeded at getting a good share of the market, but they won't own it as they intend to.

Yeah, a few choice games is what really pushes a console - at present. Then you keep buying games for that console.

But the next Gen will also be heavily influenced by online support (and cheapness and server lag etc) and Bluray roll out.

[cleanup]

I can't believe I bought a slim PS2 last month...

:)

[shadowmoses]

The last i heard from the analysts they predicted the 360 would dominate due to live play and its early start.......

Guess we'll have to wait and see,

Shadow

[TheMonarch]

I have a PS2, Xbox and a GameCube, and the only one that satisfied me enough to warrant a future purchase was the Nintendo GameCube. So my next system will be a revolution.


I only got an Xbox for Halo 1 & 2... It was the most powerful, but really, the GameCube looked just as good, if not better (Have you seen the water effects in Mario Sunshine?, or SSB Melee running at 60fps and Never slowing down?) Halo sometimes halted to a crawl during intense scenes, and didn't look _That_ much better (If any)


PS2 looked like Crap, and loading was a pain. Its mainly a DVD player now. My Xbox DVD tray busted, and I fixed it myself (Oh boy does it look ugly now)... I just finished playing SSB Melee with some friends.

I believe that if the Revolution was marketed better, it would gain so much more hype, and rise Nintendo's market share a lot more. I can't wait for the revolution. I won't even think about buying an Xbox 2 untl Halo 3 comes out, and even then I'll think about it.

[ReanimationLP]

This analysts name wouldnt happen to be Ken Kuturagi would it????

PS3. lol.

How the **** can you build a machine thats supposed to have a "SuperComputer on a chip" and a Nvidia GeForce 7 based card with NO VENTILATION OF ANY KIND.

Gee. I can see it now. *turns on a PS3*

5 minutes later...

*PS3 has had a neuclear meltdown and must shut down. Please buy a new one and line Mr. Kuturagis pockets some more please*

[Dagless]

I just did a quick read through here and picked up on "the Playstation was always most powerful" or something. that makes me laugh and shows that this person doesn't really follow games.
N64>PS1
GC>PS2
the only time Sony have had better graphics was with the PSP. probably to the tune of "oh hey the DS is coming out with N64 graphics! THIS IS OUR CHANCE PEOPLE!" "b...b..but sir, this will severely reduce battery life!" "ah dunt give a crap soldier! we WILL beat Nintendo for graphics! we MUST!..."

This analyst surprises me. If this next generation consoles was each companies first then the PS3, in theory, would come out at the end. Its running on past glory alone. Why?

-Non unified online service.
-Super expensive console, game costs.
-Lack of developer support (something the PS1 and 2 relied upon. as far as i am aware Nintendo have MASSIVE backing with the Revolution because its 1) new technology developers want to play with and 2) the development kits are extremely cheap.)

Its like the whole basis of these consoles are changing. Apart from Xbox, who as its been said in another thread, that wont change because they NEED to make a profit this time. Sony are losing developers fast, Nintendo are gaining them fast.

In theory the PS3 will lose out this time. Xbox has a lot of potential that we're not seeing with launch titles. Nintendo are rising to power again. Look at the DS and PSP. People are loving Nintendo's cheap but innovative game machines. People will blame the DS outselling upon there being a lack of good PSP games, as if Sony losing support isnt evident enough there.

And to the power thing. Developers are now saying there is little difference between the Revolution and its competitors. Hell! The head of that Unreal company said that he might be porting the Unreal 3 engine (or whatever that latest one thats being hyped is) to the Rev too!

I'm just amazed with the responses here. Regardless of what console you like; everything is changing for next generation machines. An analyst here is as useful as. well. nothing.

[Aeolius]

Yeah, it looks like the best FPS controller ever created :confused:

I buy game consoles for my children. My son has cerebral palsy and has difficulty with some controllers. If Revolution will require him to hold the remote in his hand, as opposed to setting it on a tray, then it's a no-sale. The movement-sensor technology in the controls would also be wasted, in this case.

[calyxman]

I buy game consoles for my children. My son has cerebral palsy and has difficulty with some controllers. If Revolution will require him to hold the remote in his hand, as opposed to setting it on a tray, then it's a no-sale. The movement-sensor technology in the controls would also be wasted, in this case.

That's a valid point, but I don't think we should ignore Nintendo's risky step in transforming gaming. It may payoff. And besides, the new controllers from Sony and MSFT are not the most user friendly.

I'm not buying into the hype surrounding the 360 right now. Almost all the IT guys at my work are going ape over the 360, but then again they're all a bunch of MSFT hacks to begin with.

For me, what matters is how much I'm paying for some decent, late night, or weekend afternoon entertainment. That's why I'm kind of leaning towards the Revolution although I'm still keeping my options open. No way will I buy a system that has $60, $70, or $80 games. And $400+ for a new system is ridiculous and it shows how much people have lost their sense of what gaming is about.

IMHO, I think gaming has taken a totally wrong direction these past 5-7 years. That's why these "estimated" numbers don't faze me, nor am I concerned if the Xbox may rule the gaming world. I use OS X and it doesn't need mob acceptance to prove that it's the best damn operating system in the world today.

[belvdr]

This analyst surprises me. If this next generation consoles was each companies first then the PS3, in theory, would come out at the end. Its running on past glory alone. Why?

-Non unified online service.
-Super expensive console, game costs.
-Lack of developer support (something the PS1 and 2 relied upon. as far as i am aware Nintendo have MASSIVE backing with the Revolution because its 1) new technology developers want to play with and 2) the development kits are extremely cheap.)

<snip>
In theory the PS3 will lose out this time. Xbox has a lot of potential that we're not seeing with launch titles. Nintendo are rising to power again. Look at the DS and PSP. People are loving Nintendo's cheap but innovative game machines. People will blame the DS outselling upon there being a lack of good PSP games, as if Sony losing support isnt evident enough there.


The super expensive console and game costs seem to be across the board. I remember when I first saw a $50 game and I was caught off guard. Now, it seems $50 is reasonable to most.

The original XBOX had a lot of potential as well. I bought the HD adapter, but nobody ever made a game to support it that I recall. Maybe it was just too much too soon.

I keep going back to the old games that were actually fun to play without a plot, like Pac-Man or Dig Dug. Yeah, they came up with these goofy stories to introduce you to the game, but they were just fun to sit down and play. Now it seems that every game must get as close to reality as possible. Whatever they make, I'll still stick the oldies but goodies.

[TheMonarch]

The super expensive console and game costs seem to be across the board. I remember when I first saw a $50 game and I was caught off guard. Now, it seems $50 is reasonable to most...


Nintendo's Rev. will be the cheapest of the three. Both for Nintendo, and for us. Even though Nintendo hasn't stated a price point, its easy to based on the fact that:

1) It won't be the most graphicly advanced
2) Nintendo is the only one of the three to always make a profit on their systems, they don't suffer from that "Initial loss" that the others to do (You know how you can get a GameCube with a game [sometimes even an extra controller too, depending on where you buy] all for $99USD, well Nintendo is still making $ on that)
3) Nintendo's consoles have been cheaper than the competition's.

[GFLPraxis]

I buy game consoles for my children. My son has cerebral palsy and has difficulty with some controllers. If Revolution will require him to hold the remote in his hand, as opposed to setting it on a tray, then it's a no-sale. The movement-sensor technology in the controls would also be wasted, in this case.

In your case, that makes absolute, complete sense. You wouldn't want to buy a Revolution for anything but to play the retro games.

But that doesn't mean the controller is "blech".

[johnnyjibbs]

I think Sony will become complacent at some point and it will go wrong for them. However, Microsoft's Xbox 360 is a little early and has already played its major trump cards from Rare. I hope Revolution (again the most interesting of the 3) does well, but I think Nintendo's probably lost before it's even begun, hence this analyst's rather run-of-the-mill prediction (coupled with numbers plucked from someone's arse, like someone else mentioned).

[GFLPraxis]

Playstation has always had the game power, and, in the end, the games get the buyers, not how good the graphics are. Basically the only reason that so many XBoxes sold was for Halo (that's the only reason I'd ever buy an Xbox). PS3 will now have the super next-gen graphics advantage, as well as an insane number of good games...Playstation has always been a step ahead of the XBox, and Microsoft has succeeded at getting a good share of the market, but they won't own it as they intend to.

Wha-at? Playstation has always been the least powerful console. The PS1 was outgunned by the N64 by quite a bit and the PS2 was otugunned by everyone.



Nintendo's Rev. will be the cheapest of the three. Both for Nintendo, and for us. Even though Nintendo hasn't stated a price point,

On top of that:
"Value has been a key card for us this generation, and we'll continue to play it," Fils-Aime told Morris. "Do I expect us to be at a lower price point than our competition? Yes, I do. Have we determined a price yet? No, we haven't."

This was only a week ago. Lower than the competition means lower than $299. Since the GameCube launched at $200 and N64 $250, I'm going to guess something along that line. You'll recall Nintendo posting huge cuts in profits because of lower sales and more R&D costs (Revolution) in this last quarter? If you compare the charts, Nintendo took a big cut in profits, but they were the only one WITH profits. Sony and Microsoft were negative.

Think about this. Sony and Microsoft's last quarters were negative (ALL of Microsoft's were negative, a few others of Sony's were too). Now they're going to spend millions/billions in R&D on these new systems, THEN lose millions more selling them at a loss, and then try to make up the money.

However, we've got some problem here. The jump isn't as big this time; the current generation is smooth 3D, the previous generation was blocky 3d, and the one before that was smooth 2D, and the one before that was blocky 2D. Next generation? Smoother 3D. No change in the controllers. No change in ANYTHING in the games except better graphics, and some multimedia stuff outside of the games.

I've seen many people in stores who feel that they're not going to upgrade for a while because they don't want to spend hundreds of dollars for what feels and plays like what they already have.

Then, there's the fact that in the beginning only the early adopters get the system, so you don't make profits back for a while/

Then, there's the fact that the price to develop a game is dramatically rising with this new generation, and the price of games has risen to $60 for XBox 360 and PS3. Supply and demand; the higher price will attract less buyers.

Throw in little things like the fact that you have to spend $400 on the XBox 360 minimum to get a partially backwards-compatible system, or the high price of the PS3, or the $99 price of the 360's wireless adapter, all of which turns off customers and makes them decide to wait.

All this stacked up makes it harder and harder to make a profit off the consoles. The gaming industry is becoming less profitable IMHO. Nintendo on the other hand are the only ones that have a consistent profit. They only sold the GameCube for a loss for a single quarter (when it first dropped the GC to $99). The Revolution, again, seems to be the only system poised to make a profit.

[zap2]

i'll buy PS3/360/Rev for the games. I cant stand PS(123P) games or the controls. Most games that are made for PS3 that are good are also made for other systems

[2nyRiggz]

lets go ps3 and Rev. i really want to see the Rev. take the lead and put all those haters to rest and jump aboard!

Bless

[greatdevourer]

Is it just me, or are those the current percentages? If we were to take that line, then surely we would all have GameCubes, because the NES and SNES won their rounds, so the N64 should have won it's round, so the GC should win this one. Also, if you are to take that stance, then no-one may enter the market.

Summat that's gonna hit the PS3 is online - both M$ and Nintendo have their free options with downloadable content and stuff. Sony, however, don't. And with more people with more bandwidth, online is gonna be much more of a selling point than people say HD is (a lot more people have broadband than HDTVs). Also, many people seem to have forgotten the fact that the PS3 will cost a stupidly vast amount

[Poff]

If this analyst is proven WRONG, do we get to punish him?

Nope. But if he accidentally is right, he'll be hailed as the big master till 2020.

[GFLPraxis]

Is it just me, or are those the current percentages? If we were to take that line, then surely we would all have GameCubes, because the NES and SNES won their rounds, so the N64 should have won it's round, so the GC should win this one. Also, if you are to take that stance, then no-one may enter the market.

Summat that's gonna hit the PS3 is online - both M$ and Nintendo have their free options with downloadable content and stuff. Sony, however, don't. And with more people with more bandwidth, online is gonna be much more of a selling point than people say HD is (a lot more people have broadband than HDTVs). Also, many people seem to have forgotten the fact that the PS3 will cost a stupidly vast amount

It should be noted that M$ lacks free online gameplay. All XBox Live Silver is, is trailers, demos, "emulation profiles", and marketplace (where you pay for stuff like avatars).

[AlmightyG5]

Throw in little things like the fact that you have to spend $400 on the XBox 360 minimum to get a partially backwards-compatible system, or the high price of the PS3, or the $99 price of the 360's wireless adapter, all of which turns off customers and makes them decide to wait.

Everyone says the PS3 is going to be soooo expensive. like you said, To get the decent Xbox 360 setup it's $400+$60 games. But the PS3 isn't going to have a higher price than the 360.It will probably be $350-$399.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6126410.html?q=PS3%20price

[Poff]

It should be noted that M$ lacks free online gameplay. All XBox Live Silver is, is trailers, demos, "emulation profiles", and marketplace (where you pay for stuff like avatars).

Yup. Their new box is all about money. I can imagine Zelda on it:
You have found the Master Sword!!

Please select your preferred payment method below to continue your exciting quest.

Item:
$20,00 Master Sword
$01,20 Vat
$21,20 Total
Visa
Mastercard
American Express

[Dagless]

Everyone says the PS3 is going to be soooo expensive. like you said, To get the decent Xbox 360 setup it's $400+$60 games. But the PS3 isn't going to have a higher price than the 360.It will probably be $350-$399.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6126410.html?q=PS3%20price

Thats why I'll only get a Rev. No way im paying more than 150 for something that plays games.

Interestingly has anyone heard about the latest Rev news? It really isnt much though, just George Harrison (NoA, not the late Beatle) saying that there is a lot more to learn about the Revolution. It doesn't end with the new controller. One guy said that its possible Rev discs would have 3 layers. 2 for reading, 1 for writing. So you can take your save files with you without a memory card or make huge mods for games.

At this moment in time you cannot judge the Revolution. All we know is that its small, it will be fairly cheap, it plays DVDs and has a gyroscopic controller. and that there is a Smash Bros, Mario, Mario Kart, Zelda and Metroid game coming out. with these in development now I think that a number of those will be launch titles.

Am I the only one getting excited about the Rev having secret features that will elevate gameplay in Nintendo games even further?
Maybe its just the way Nintendo are playing this. but the PS3 and Xbox are just not exciting me at all. enhanced graphics and more online games just won't cut it with me.

[Dagless]

Yup. Their new box is all about money. I can imagine Zelda on it:

HAH!!! Funny thing is I can imagine them doing that :eek: "we likes your money!"

[GFLPraxis]

Everyone says the PS3 is going to be soooo expensive. like you said, To get the decent Xbox 360 setup it's $400+$60 games. But the PS3 isn't going to have a higher price than the 360.It will probably be $350-$399.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6126410.html?q=PS3%20price


Additionally, a more recent comment:


In keeping with the PlayStation business model, PS3 will roll out at a loss for the first six months, then rapidly turn profits on game-license fees. PS3 will be bundled with a selection of preloaded films, TV programs and games and sell for between $300-$400.


http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20051105-5530.html

Now, it should be noted that the PS3 (probably $350-$400) will not have a hard drive. However, it should also be noted that you won't be paying subscription fees for online play that we know of (I've heard the stuff about Sony not having a unified online system but have yet to see an actual official source on that other than blogs like 1UP and Joystiq).

In fact, IGN states:



Will the PlayStation 3 use the same network setup as the PlayStation 2?
No, Sony confirmed at an E3 2004 press conference that it is currently working towards a new universal networking hub, which in no uncertain terms is similar to Microsoft's Xbox Live. Specifics about how that network will work (outside of confirmed peer-to-peer in-game item swapping) are still unknown.

Now considering that this is for the core system, that means the PS3 is still more expensive than the 360. But assuming they aren't going to charge like Microsoft is for online play, and the fact that they're letting you use SD, CF, and Memory Sticks for saves (while Microsoft charges $40 for a 64 MB memory card- you can find SD cards of that size for $10 on eBay), and that it has WiFi built in while Microsoft charges $99 for it, means that after everything is factored in the PS3 may be cheaper. Just not the up-front cost.

[belvdr]

This would sway my decision easy (if I were in the market):


Revolution will play all of your favorite Nintendo GameCube games, and deliver downloadable access to 20 years of fan-favorite titles originally released for Nintendo 64, the Super Nintendo Entertainment System (SNES) and even the Nintendo Entertainment System (NES).


Of course, this is most likely old news to those who have been watching this. My last console was an XBox and I sold that about a year ago. Haven't played a game except a flight simulator since then. I think I'm getting old.

[Poff]

I think I'm getting old.

Doesn't need to have anything to do with anything.

In the old days you could pick up a game and play it. Simple. Easy.

Nowadays you'll actually have to READ the manual. I think (hope) Nintendo is moving away from that market. Games used to be fun.

[takao]

Doesn't need to have anything to do with anything.

In the old days you could pick up a game and play it. Simple. Easy.

Nowadays you'll actually have to READ the manual. I think (hope) Nintendo is moving away from that market. Games used to be fun.

well you just have to look at their games ... mario smash football is pretty close .. haven't looked through the manual yet ... looked thin anyways ;)

kinda football meets mariokart.. still on beginner level but looks like it's time to move on ;)

[guifa]

The super expensive console and game costs seem to be across the board. I remember when I first saw a $50 game and I was caught off guard. Now, it seems $50 is reasonable to most.
Now it seems $50 is reasonable to most .... developers? or users?
I can remember a time when SNES games were regularly $60-70. I would say that $50 to me now is not only reasonable but requisite. Saying something is reasonable now implies that it wasn't before. I'd've gladly paid $50 for some of my games growing up.

[Eidorian]

Doesn't need to have anything to do with anything.

In the old days you could pick up a game and play it. Simple. Easy.

Nowadays you'll actually have to READ the manual. I think (hope) Nintendo is moving away from that market. Games used to be fun.I've noticed this over the years. I've always liked simplicity. I remember just being able to pick up any game and be able to master it back in the NES/SNES. Now it's halfway through the game itself before I'm even close.

[natehan]

Now it seems $50 is reasonable to most .... developers? or users?
I can remember a time when SNES games were regularly $60-70. I would say that $50 to me now is not only reasonable but requisite. Saying something is reasonable now implies that it wasn't before. I'd've gladly paid $50 for some of my games growing up.

Seriously, I remember beggin my dad to get me "pink panther," for snes at Venture (I think they were bought out by Kmart) for $70. Oh yeah, and I rented mortal kombat for snes when it first came out and lost it. Then I had to fork up $100 to replace that game.

[GFLPraxis]

I never knew the price of games, as I didn't have the internet, and thus, didn't go by what was current and went by the prices in pawn shops and used game stores because I simply knew they were too expensive elsewhere. :D

[DrNeroCF]

Doesn't need to have anything to do with anything.

In the old days you could pick up a game and play it. Simple. Easy.

Nowadays you'll actually have to READ the manual. I think (hope) Nintendo is moving away from that market. Games used to be fun.

Oh they are. And it'll rock. We need a gaming revolution!

You guys really want to buy ps3s and inflate Sony's gianormus ego further?

After all that rootkit garbage, you really expect them to keep the ps3 clean? Hell, they're investing in a technology that would let you play a game only on the console it was first played on. Are you guys really going to accept those kinds of limitations?

Hate on the Rev's controller all you want, it'll be the standard next generation, just like the analog stick, d-pad, shoulder buttons, multiple face buttons... Plus, controller shell! Ugh, today's gaming populace is hopeless...

[Dagless]

Doesn't need to have anything to do with anything.

In the old days you could pick up a game and play it. Simple. Easy.

Nowadays you'll actually have to READ the manual. I think (hope) Nintendo is moving away from that market. Games used to be fun.

Smash Bros Melee is like that. I explained the controls to my 13 year old sister and she got it right away. attack, special, shield, jump. bam. and grab if you don't use the shield+attack button. or even better; that simple 1 button melee for the EXTRA beginner.
F-Zero. Accelerate, brake, boost, drift.
Mario Kart. Accelerate, brake, item, jump/drift.

Games like Zelda try and simplify it by having items assigned to buttons and having them displayed as they are on the controller on the screen.

It took me hours to get comfy with Halo. My sister still cant play that properly.
My point here being that yea, some games are getting extraordinary silly with controls whilst Nintendo are trying their best to keep it simple, stupid.

what is amazing, is that you could use the Shell controller with Mario Kart and just tilt it. heh, i think i have 'compulsive imagining what the rev can do syndrome'

After all that rootkit garbage, you really expect them to keep the ps3 clean? Hell, they're investing in a technology that would let you play a game only on the console it was first played on. Are you guys really going to accept those kinds of limitations?

I do not trust Sony myself. They're just like Microsoft, or they feel it. they want every penny they can bleedin get off ya. with all that underhanded 'rootkit' windows malarky I just dont see how anyone can trust them. their Minidiscs are locked down, you need a million and one (well ok, 2) Sony apps just to transfer music to and from them. Oh no you can't drag and drop.
Sure Piracy is a big issue for them but they're really squashing down the non-pirates. if the Rootkit wasn't evidence enough.

[derthballs]

I know ill probably end up buying all 3, but after the pre ordered fiasco in the UK, having pre ordered a 360 and now been left with a set of microsofts nuts resting on my chin, Im in two minds whether to wait for the 'other 2' to show.

The 360 launch games are uninspiring, rehashed ps2 and pc games, exactly why i got rid of my pc last month and switched to mac, ive already saved the beaches of normandy about 500 times in various games, so call of duty using a joypad dosent hold much excitement.

The revolution will certainly get bought, my kids love all things nintendo, and while i rarely play the gamecube, its a nice wee console with some cracking games, they love the DS, again, innovation wins over my psp which i hardly pick up anymore.

So a revolution and what then, probably a PS3, probably an Xbox 360 too, but ill have sold my soul to the devil if i do that.

[Eidorian]

what is amazing, is that you could use the Shell controller with Mario Kart and just tilt it. heh, i think i have 'compulsive imagining what the rev can do syndrome'Yeah, I was think about this. I do tilt my controller hoping for some effect on the game. :D

Of course right now it doesn't do anything.

[Deefuzz]

Doesn't need to have anything to do with anything.

In the old days you could pick up a game and play it. Simple. Easy.

Nowadays you'll actually have to READ the manual. I think (hope) Nintendo is moving away from that market. Games used to be fun.

Thank you for saying that! I feel the exact same way.

[katchow]

Doesn't need to have anything to do with anything.

In the old days you could pick up a game and play it. Simple. Easy.

Nowadays you'll actually have to READ the manual. I think (hope) Nintendo is moving away from that market. Games used to be fun.

i actually want more than just simple and easy. pac man was fun and addictive, but in the end, a rather empty experience. I think gaming still has unrealized potential...

[rockthecasbah]

Thats why I'll only get a Rev. No way im paying more than 150 for something that plays games.

Interestingly has anyone heard about the latest Rev news? It really isnt much though, just George Harrison (NoA, not the late Beatle) saying that there is a lot more to learn about the Revolution. It doesn't end with the new controller. One guy said that its possible Rev discs would have 3 layers. 2 for reading, 1 for writing. So you can take your save files with you without a memory card or make huge mods for games.
I like the idea of memory cards though simply because you have an actual backup of the information in case the game disk gets a scratch or something...besides, the Revolution actually has the memory card ports of the Gamecube built into them, so im not sure if this writing layer would be used for saving game data, though it is a possibility.

[Dagless]

I like the idea of memory cards though simply because you have an actual backup of the information in case the game disk gets a scratch or something...besides, the Revolution actually has the memory card ports of the Gamecube built into them, so im not sure if this writing layer would be used for saving game data, though it is a possibility.

Its rather spiffing really. it has 512mb built in, wee yes, but look at GC save data. with 512 you could probably fit about 1024-2048 save files! it also has an extra SD slot for removable memory card data. i have a hundred or so of these babies dotted around my room so i'm sorted!

the write layer thing is only a rumour but such a damn fine one.

[rosalindavenue]

You guys really want to buy ps3s and inflate Sony's gianormus ego further?

After all that rootkit garbage, you really expect them to keep the ps3 clean? Hell, they're investing in a technology that would let you play a game only on the console it was first played on. Are you guys really going to accept those kinds of limitations?



I'm surprised it took so long for this theme to get into this thread. Sony's rootkit disaster (not to mention the proprietary DRM on their music players) has given them a black eye that I'm not going to forget. I'm not buying anything from Sony for a long time, and I think a lot of tech-savvy people are going to be with me.

[AoWolf]

While I think the revolution might be interesting I think we are kidding ourselfs if we think it will sell very well. Nintendo just cannot get over the little kid image it has And there is much uncertainty of the new controller. I think the older gamers will be skeptical. Thats not to say that it won't be a great system but it will have to be really really fun to get the PS2/Xbox crowd to go out and buy one. Heck the idiots who sit behind me in my high school photo shop class are already trashing it.

[Eidorian]

Its rather spiffing really. it has 512mb built in, wee yes, but look at GC save data. with 512 you could probably fit about 1024-2048 save files! it also has an extra SD slot for removable memory card data. i have a hundred or so of these babies dotted around my room so i'm sorted!

the write layer thing is only a rumour but such a damn fine one.The 1019 block memory card is 64 MB. So with 512 MB internally you get 8152 save blocks. Don't forget it has an SD card reader. An additional 1 GB of SD memory isn't all that expensive.

[takao]

While I think the revolution might be interesting I think we are kidding ourselfs if we think it will sell very well. Nintendo just cannot get over the little kid image it has And there is much uncertainty of the new controller. I think the older gamers will be skeptical. Thats not to say that it won't be a great system but it will have to be really really fun to get the PS2/Xbox crowd to go out and buy one. Heck the idiots who sit behind me in my high school photo shop class are already trashing it.

perhaps it's a matter of where you live..personally it has been quite some time since i heard somebody _not trashing_ the xbox 1/360 ...even when it's not justified in my opinion liek with the new controller which is pretty good
and with the cell and ps3 controller sony didn't make much friends either

but on the other side most friends are 21-25 year old males studying something with computers so it's no surprise that microsoft gets no love from them

[Dagless]

Well I've been playing Mario Kart online all day and I can safely say if the Rev has the same system then Microsoft will never get a penny for Live off me. I dont get how you have to pay for Xbox Live, yet NWC is free? And NWC will be used on both the DS and the Rev.
I dont get how anyone can give Microsoft money -_- you people need to revolt ;) or something.

[PharmD]

Well I've been playing Mario Kart online all day and I can safely say if the Rev has the same system then Microsoft will never get a penny for Live off me. I dont get how you have to pay for Xbox Live, yet NWC is free? And NWC will be used on both the DS and the Rev.
I dont get how anyone can give Microsoft money -_- you people need to revolt ;) or something.

In all fairness to MS, Live is more full featured than Nintendo WiFi. I'm with you though, I don't want all the extra stuff that even merits paying for Live. I just want to get online and play. The friends feature of NWC is enough for me. I'm getting a Rev by the way. I could care less about the kiddie image that Nintendo has. Their games are just fun and universally appealing.

[GFLPraxis]

In all fairness to MS, Live is more full featured than Nintendo WiFi. I'm with you though, I don't want all the extra stuff that even merits paying for Live. I just want to get online and play. The friends feature of NWC is enough for me. I'm getting a Rev by the way. I could care less about the kiddie image that Nintendo has. Their games are just fun and universally appealing.

In Nintendo's defense, NWC runs on a handheld with a 66 MHz processor and is tacked on a game (rather than built in to the system). Obviously, there will some things the XBox can do physically that the DS can't. Voice chat would be taxing for the DS, and voice masking would be outright impossible, for example. Also, the DS has no storage, which makes downloadables impossible.

Revolution looks to have more Live-like features. Downloadable demos and purchasable games, for example.

[GFLPraxis]

While I think the revolution might be interesting I think we are kidding ourselfs if we think it will sell very well. Nintendo just cannot get over the little kid image it has And there is much uncertainty of the new controller. I think the older gamers will be skeptical. Thats not to say that it won't be a great system but it will have to be really really fun to get the PS2/Xbox crowd to go out and buy one. Heck the idiots who sit behind me in my high school photo shop class are already trashing it.


You're saying that it's impossible for Nintendo to change their image, or that Nintendo's sales depend ONLY on what stupid high school kids think? (No offense to you; there are many intelligent high school kids, which you're probably one of, I just find from experience that many are stupid and judge things based on popular opinion. You have no idea how many times I've heard "Macs suck!" from high school kids).

Nintendo's image is already very good in Japan, and I think it can improve in the U.S.. It might not overtake the XBox 360 and PS3 over here, but it can IMPROVE. If Nintendo can go from 15% to 20 or 25% in the U.S., and kicks the XBox 360 around in Japan again, they could do very well.

And they could possibly do really well here if the system is good enough. If people (perhaps older people even) buy it and start recommending it and it really IS much better, and Nintendo gets third party games so people don't have to only buy Nintendo's, people will overlook the kiddy image and buy it. Then they'll play the third party games and Nintendo's kiddy image will disappear.

[Eidorian]

Yeah, I get bugged by people who believe in Nintendo's "kiddy" image from some people. I've seen lots of anger and profanity stem from the simplest and cutest games on that console. They're fun games and we're old school expert players that still get a kick out of NES/SNES/N64/GCN games.

Chu Chu Rocket is a prime example on the Dreamcast. :D

I've never heard so many things said about me in my life. :rolleyes:

[takao]

In all fairness to MS, Live is more full featured than Nintendo WiFi. I'm with you though, I don't want all the extra stuff that even merits paying for Live. I just want to get online and play. The friends feature of NWC is enough for me.

ditto that's pretty much my thought about it as well.. i would just add perhapds demo download or something like that but i would never pay money for a demo ;)


about the kiddy thing: who would have thought that mario party 6 had a taunting feature while others make their moves on the board ... needless to say we were quite surprised.. ("You're lousy", "Stinky" etc. so it's still far from UT ;))

[Eidorian]

ditto that's pretty much my thought about it as well.. i would just add perhapds demo download or something like that but i would never pay money for a demo ;)


about the kiddy thing: who would have thought that mario party 6 had a taunting feature while others make their moves on the board ... needless to say we were quite surprised.. ("You're lousy", "Stinky" etc. so it's still far from UT ;))Ah UT, mapping the "Pelvic Thrust" command. :D

I love taunting in Super Smash Brothers Melee. :p

[Dagless]

In Nintendo's defense, NWC runs on a handheld with a 66 MHz processor and is tacked on a game (rather than built in to the system). Obviously, there will some things the XBox can do physically that the DS can't. Voice chat would be taxing for the DS, and voice masking would be outright impossible, for example. Also, the DS has no storage, which makes downloadables impossible.

Revolution looks to have more Live-like features. Downloadable demos and purchasable games, for example.

Not exactly. Tony Hawks DS has downloadable features. new levels, missions etc. They're not out yet. episodic downloads. which i'm for so long as you dont have to pay for them.
I dunno about the voice chat either. Some friends at MMU a couple of years back were programming a voice chat app like MSN for Pocket PC. they limited themselves to get the system running on 100mhz, less than 10mb compiled size and to run under 4mb of Ram. they succeeded. obviously Nintendo could do a much better app with less power. give it a year i say!

[GFLPraxis]

Not exactly. Tony Hawks DS has downloadable features. new levels, missions etc. They're not out yet. episodic downloads. which i'm for so long as you dont have to pay for them.
I dunno about the voice chat either. Some friends at MMU a couple of years back were programming a voice chat app like MSN for Pocket PC. they limited themselves to get the system running on 100mhz, less than 10mb compiled size and to run under 4mb of Ram. they succeeded. obviously Nintendo could do a much better app with less power. give it a year i say!

Right, but can they do it WHILE you play an intensive game taking up most of the system's resources?

[Dagless]

Right, but can they do it WHILE you play an intensive game taking up most of the system's resources?

yea thats the thing, its likely possible as they got the voice chat working on a Casio E100 (I think it was?) and thats a very ancient decrepit Pocket PC. They tried to use the voice chat whilst running a media player on the Pocket PC (to act as a sort of PPC to PPC radio station) and it ran fine. Playing an MP3 from a memory card, running the OS and Media Player and the voice chat app at the same time was possible. Who knows what Nintendo might be able to do with the DS hardware?