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snowdog
Nov 29, 2005, 05:01 PM
Apple has released a new security update available from "software update".
Or by direct download, using this link http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/securityupdate2005009tigerclient.html
More information can be found right here - http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=302847
Lacero
Nov 29, 2005, 05:06 PM
Thanks.
All of the security updates require reboots, especially updates to sudo and corefoundations.
2nyRiggz
Nov 29, 2005, 05:10 PM
really? i dont see it in update....maybe i'll check it again.
Bless
puckhead193
Nov 29, 2005, 05:12 PM
really? i dont see it in update....maybe i'll check it again.
Bless
it came up for me, maybe i'm special :rolleyes: :p
Security Update 2005-009 delivers a number of security enhancements and is recommended for all Macintosh users.
This update includes the following components:
apache_mod_ssl
CoreFoundation
CoreTypes
curl
iodbcadmin
OpenSSL
Safari
sudo
syslog
For detailed information on this Update, please visit this website: http://www.info.apple.com/kbnum/n61798
Lacero
Nov 29, 2005, 05:14 PM
Several Safari security fixes might bring about some compatibility issues like what happened with the 10.4.3 update for me. I'll wait until enough people have installed the security update to see if it negatively impacts Safari.
2nyRiggz
Nov 29, 2005, 05:19 PM
wow...its like this update is only about safari....well most of it anyway.....which aint bad.
Nuff.
eva01
Nov 29, 2005, 05:22 PM
Put on my powerbook right away, everything seems fine on my end.
Waiting to put it on powermac till tomorrow or the next day.
just in case ^_~
sord
Nov 29, 2005, 05:31 PM
wow...its like this update is only about safari....well most of it anyway.....which aint bad.
Nuff.
It updates Apache2 and mod_ssl for apache, CoreFoundation, curl, iodbcadmintool, OpenSSL, passwordserver, 3 Safari updates, sudo, and syslog. Most of it isn't Safari
Performa
Nov 29, 2005, 05:38 PM
Does it require a restart? I'm just getting up to 27 days uptime...
I've read that it's good to restart your computer every so often, otherwise it may not operate optimally. I'm not sure if it's memory fragmentation or what...but I remember hearing that it may start doing weird things or just becomes sluggish if you don't do a restart now and then. I'm not sure how often it's recommended to restart though.
Do you think this isn't true?
Personally, if I get through one day without a crash or a freeze that requires a force quit and restart, it is an unusual day.
thomasp
Nov 29, 2005, 05:40 PM
Not showing up in software update on this 15" 1.5GHz PB, running OSX 10.4.2 - perhaps it needs 10.4.3?
Think I might wait a little bit before downloading either - I've got a lot of coursework on at uni, and I don't have my Tiger re-install discs with me, and I don't want anything to go wrong and lose use of my Mac for a few days :D
mj_1903
Nov 29, 2005, 05:41 PM
It doesn't show up for me, how weird.
15" PowerBook, 1.5ghz. 10.4.3.
~Shard~
Nov 29, 2005, 05:43 PM
I'll install it when I get home, these updates never usually cause my system grief. I don't blame some of you for waiting though... ;)
nagromme
Nov 29, 2005, 05:46 PM
I've read that it's good to restart your computer every so often, otherwise it may not operate optimally. I'm not sure if it's memory fragmentation or what...but I remember hearing that it may start doing weird things or just becomes sluggish if you don't do a restart now and then. I'm not sure how often it's recommended to restart though.
Do you think this isn't true?
Personally, if I get through one day without a crash or a freeze that requires a force quit and restart, it is an unusual day.
Are you running OS X? I pretty much said goodbye to system crashes and system degradation when I went to OS X. Now, Windows and Mac OS 9 did benefit from being restarted periodically. (And in OS X, if one app crashes or you force-quit it, it doesn't affect others--so you don't need to restart.)
One thing I have noticed about restarting OS X: it frees up a little disk space (temporarily). Helpful sometimes when I let my HD get COMPLETELY full. (Yes, it has happened--0 bytes free--and OS X did not lock up on me!)
Also, if occasional "weirdness" does happen to you on OS X, try just logging out and back in. Quicker than a restart. I'm thinking of things like icons looking wrong in Finder occasionally. (You can force-relaunch Finder too, though.)
manu chao
Nov 29, 2005, 05:47 PM
Personally, if I get through one day without a crash or a freeze that requires a force quit and restart, it is an unusual day.
As it has been said umpteen times before, if OS X crashes often enough that you can remember the last time it crashed, you most likely have a hardware problem (or a problematic app going deep into the system like e.g. VirtualPC).
- Apple's hardware test CD
- Memtest (google for it)
- Diskwarrior
- misbehaving periphial
- at least a couple of GB of free disk space
manu chao
Nov 29, 2005, 05:52 PM
Not showing up in software update on this 15" 1.5GHz PB, running OSX 10.4.2 - perhaps it needs 10.4.3?
Security updates are like micro OS updates, they always apply only to the latest free version of the OS. Think of it as 10.4.3.1
chrisgeleven
Nov 29, 2005, 05:58 PM
Just purchased my first mac (an iMac G5) a few days ago. This is the first security update I have had to do and it worked flawlessly as far as I can tell.
Cool.
Noiseboy
Nov 29, 2005, 06:17 PM
I've never had a problem after a security update, long may that be the case. I had a nasty freeze the other day which required a hard restart after which my Bluetooth was not recognized until I had rebooted three times, most curious:eek:
riwanami
Nov 29, 2005, 06:30 PM
I just installed the Security Update on my iMac G5. After the restart, I could not connect to my Airport Express (with WPA2) through my Cable internet connection. Similarly, I couldn't connect from my ThinkPad either. I unplugged the power from the Airport and plugged it back in, and now it works fine. I am not sure whether this was an issue with the update or just a concidental incident with my Airport, but at least no problems now!
jacg
Nov 29, 2005, 06:38 PM
I've read that it's good to restart your computer every so often, otherwise it may not operate optimally. I'm not sure if it's memory fragmentation or what...but I remember hearing that it may start doing weird things or just becomes sluggish if you don't do a restart now and then. I'm not sure how often it's recommended to restart though.
Do you think this isn't true?
Personally, if I get through one day without a crash or a freeze that requires a force quit and restart, it is an unusual day.
Are you sure every force quit needs to be followed by a restart? If you think the OS is being quirky, log out and in again. This usually solves any memory issues for me.
Edit: Ah, Nagromme, you were wise to point this out and I was foolish not to read the entire thread...
andrewm
Nov 29, 2005, 06:55 PM
Are you running OS X? I pretty much said goodbye to system crashes and system degradation when I went to OS X. Now, Windows and Mac OS 9 did benefit from being restarted periodically. (And in OS X, if one app crashes or you force-quit it, it doesn't affect others--so you don't need to restart.)
One thing I have noticed about restarting OS X: it frees up a little disk space (temporarily). Helpful sometimes when I let my HD get COMPLETELY full. (Yes, it has happened--0 bytes free--and OS X did not lock up on me!)
Also, if occasional "weirdness" does happen to you on OS X, try just logging out and back in. Quicker than a restart. I'm thinking of things like icons looking wrong in Finder occasionally. (You can force-relaunch Finder too, though.)
You neglect to consider that this 'rock-solid stability' comes, by most accounts, from the BSD/UNIX underbelly of Mac OS X--combined with an amazingly high-level, secure, and both extensive and extensible programming architecture called Cocoa, all of this imported from Apple's acquisition of NeXT.
Much else of what exists in OS X is written in Carbon, which hasn't nearly the security, yadda yadda yadda, of the NeXT stuff, but was coughed up ( in a magical hairball, no less ;) ) to allow legacy code to be ported over to OS X with less fuss. Steve Jobs, as a show of good faith to old-school programmers, had things like iTunes and the Finder (which already had a pre-existing Cocoa version)--and portions of the underlying operating system--ported into this Carbon language...
File management is handled largely with Carbon operations, on some level. Shouldn't we be a bit more wary of claiming that restarts due to garbage are unnecessary--*yet*--until we've ditched Carbon file-handling and Apple's aging, case-insensitive HFS+ (which has been around since System 8.1) and either invented some new file system or latched onto another existing one, such as the UFS that Apple also offers in its installers?
sboultbee
Nov 29, 2005, 06:56 PM
I see that OS X Server has its Apache2 updated to the current release of 2.0.55. Unfortunately, they left the client version of OS X with Apache 1.3.33 (1.3.34 is the current release and it contains several security fixes).
Laser47
Nov 29, 2005, 07:09 PM
Software updater seems very slow right now, download it from http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/
Updater said 2 hours dl time, downloading from apple site took 9 secs
Mitthrawnuruodo
Nov 29, 2005, 07:14 PM
It seems this update (or the last one, I use Firefox now and aren't entirely sure) broke Safari's ability to pass the Acid2 test (http://webstandards.org/act/acid2/):
Mechcozmo
Nov 29, 2005, 07:16 PM
Security updates are like micro OS updates, they always apply only to the latest free version of the OS. Think of it as 10.4.3.1
Erm. Not always. Security updates can apply to any 10.4 version sometimes, or any 10.3 version sometimes, or any 10.2 version sometimes.
I'd go against saying that security updates are micro OS updates.
How do I find my uptime? and why do people, don't like to reboot?
:confused:
Time for an [[uptime]] MacGuide page?
Shouldn't we be a bit more wary of claiming that restarts due to garbage are unnecessary--*yet*--until we've ditched Carbon file-handling and Apple's aging, case-insensitive HFS+ (which has been around since System 8.1) and either invented some new file system or latched onto another existing one, such as the UFS that Apple also offers in its installers?
There is a case-sensitive version of HFS+. When you install Tiger's Disk Utility supports it. Be warned-- programers have not yet updated their programs to work with the 'real' filename and often times programs will not work correctly. This can be fixed by you manually rename files to what the program is looking for.
HFS+ has its roots in HFS, found in System 3. HFS+ was just an extension added on. If you have fewer than 65,000 files in a folder (or was it a disk?) and have the allocation blocks set correctly you can sometimes read HFS+ disks in System 7. It is a bit hit or miss, though. :confused: But HFS+ is needed because it allows for much greater support of the data/resource forks, a valuable part of the operating system.
manu chao
Nov 29, 2005, 07:42 PM
File management is handled largely with Carbon operations, on some level. Shouldn't we be a bit more wary of claiming that restarts due to garbage are unnecessary--*yet*--until we've ditched Carbon file-handling and Apple's aging, case-insensitive HFS+ (which has been around since System 8.1) and either invented some new file system or latched onto another existing one, such as the UFS that Apple also offers in its installers?
First, let me tell you. I have over the last couple of years restarted my Mac only a handfull of times to with the intention of trying to cure any file system related behaviourial oddities. Sure, it happens, but I stick to what I said before, when you can remember the last time you had to do a forced restart on your system, you have an underlying problem which is probably hardware related.
manu chao
Nov 29, 2005, 07:47 PM
Erm. Not always. Security updates can apply to any 10.4 version sometimes, or any 10.3 version sometimes, or any 10.2 version sometimes.
I'd go against saying that security updates are micro OS updates.
Sure there can always be exceptions. But for once I said "apply only to the latest free version of the OS", by which I meant 10.2.8, 10.3.9, 10.4.3 etc.
And security updates update part of the OS (rarely they update only GUI applications, and I consider roughly speaking all non-GUI stuff from Apple installed on a default system as being part of the OS), therefore, they are, by definition, OS updates.
pianojoe
Nov 29, 2005, 07:52 PM
This update broke my system!
After restarting, when the Finder comes up, I have about 10 seconds before a kernel panic occurs. Haven't seen one in a year! Still working out what's wrong. (I'm typing this on my wife's iMac.)
I'll get back when I've tracked down the issue.
ipacmm
Nov 29, 2005, 07:52 PM
I finished the install and everything works good, Mac OS X Server works a lot better now, I am not getting any issues when it rebooted.
cal6n
Nov 29, 2005, 08:02 PM
My 2.5 Dual KP'd hard on restart, just between the grey and the login.
A restart seems to have sorted it out, although the desktop took its time to settle.
Laser47
Nov 29, 2005, 08:27 PM
It seems this update (or the last one, I use Firefox now and aren't entirely sure) broke Safari's ability to pass the Acid2 test (http://webstandards.org/act/acid2/):
Updated and my machine passes
Also I havent had any kp's.
Mitthrawnuruodo
Nov 29, 2005, 08:48 PM
Updated and my machine passes
Also I havent had any kp's.Ok, my Safari is officially broken... :(
Which is no problem, what so ever, since I use Firefox... :D
Still a bit odd that "my" Safari didn't pass the test and "your" did... :confused:
Edit: Figured it out... :o :o :o I had disabled plugins (which is how I always did surf with Safari). When plugins are enabled in Safari preferences -> Security -> Web Content it passes with flying colours (:)):
MacsAre1
Nov 29, 2005, 09:01 PM
I got a kernel panic while installing the update, but I'm not sure if it just crashed during System optimization or during the actual installation. The receipt is in my Library/receipts folder, and my system build is 8F46. Can anyone confirm if that's the system build number for this security update, or did it even change?
I'm going to try running the standalone installer to see what it does.
Analog Kid
Nov 29, 2005, 09:13 PM
You neglect to consider that this 'rock-solid stability' comes, by most accounts, from the BSD/UNIX underbelly of Mac OS X--combined with an amazingly high-level, secure, and both extensive and extensible programming architecture called Cocoa, all of this imported from Apple's acquisition of NeXT.
Much else of what exists in OS X is written in Carbon, which hasn't nearly the security, yadda yadda yadda, of the NeXT stuff, but was coughed up ( in a magical hairball, no less ;) ) to allow legacy code to be ported over to OS X with less fuss. Steve Jobs, as a show of good faith to old-school programmers, had things like iTunes and the Finder (which already had a pre-existing Cocoa version)--and portions of the underlying operating system--ported into this Carbon language...
File management is handled largely with Carbon operations, on some level. Shouldn't we be a bit more wary of claiming that restarts due to garbage are unnecessary--*yet*--until we've ditched Carbon file-handling and Apple's aging, case-insensitive HFS+ (which has been around since System 8.1) and either invented some new file system or latched onto another existing one, such as the UFS that Apple also offers in its installers?
Wow... Not sure how any of this ties back to system crashes but it sounds like you've netted a grand conspiracy of some sort!
Is there a MacGuides page on Cocoa/Carbon yet? Maybe something that explains they're both interfaces to the same underlying system layer?
If your system is crashing daily, it's almost certainly a piece of hardware somewhere or a kernel extension you've installed. Check your system logs and maybe you can see what went bad. I think 10.4 gives a crash report when it reboots from a kernel panic now.
Larry022
Nov 29, 2005, 09:25 PM
This update broke my system!
After restarting, when the Finder comes up, I have about 10 seconds before a kernel panic occurs. Haven't seen one in a year! Still working out what's wrong. (I'm typing this on my wife's iMac.)
I'll get back when I've tracked down the issue.
Four consecutive cases of kernal panic within a few minutes of each other. Had reinstall 10.4 and am now downloading 187 MB worth of updates (mac osx combined, Java 1.3. & 1.4.2, quicktime 7.0.3, and dvd 4.6) on my dialup. What a waste!
lax44
Nov 29, 2005, 09:36 PM
improved the speed of my connection; much quicker - suscom cable modem
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iBook G4 1.2 Ghz
10.4.3
kwajo.com
Nov 29, 2005, 09:52 PM
a restart? hmmm, I'll wait on this one, I'm in the middle of rendering something important.
anyway, Security Updates are always good, I like to feel like my security blanket gets washed frequently
alexstein
Nov 29, 2005, 10:00 PM
Just installed it. No problems whatsoever. After the restart I opened Safari and with one bounce of the dock icon it was up and running. (Acid test was also passed successfully.)
..and for the ones that like to know I have 10.4.3 Tiger installed...
arnaudsj
Nov 29, 2005, 10:04 PM
Since I applied this last round of security update, upon reboot my airport connection to my airport Xpress (forced to 802.11b) is intermitent, making it useless...
I switched my Airport Xpress to be 802.11b/g compatible and it seems to do the trick. I am not sure what this is all about...
I am pretty sure the problem is linked directly to the update because I applied the update on my powerbook, my wife didn't on hers and she did not experience the connectivity issues I was experiencing.
FadeToBlack
Nov 29, 2005, 10:11 PM
Just installed. So far, everything's great. My friend also installed it on his 12" iBook with no troubles.
marmanold
Nov 29, 2005, 10:26 PM
I just installed the update on my iBook with OS X 10.3.9 Since the reboot I haven't been able to connect to any wireless networks. Okay, let me rephrase that. I can connect, or at least it looks like I'm connected, but I can't pull up any webpages or check my e-mail. Very strange. I've never had a problem with an update before.
Dokter_Mac
Nov 29, 2005, 10:44 PM
No problems on my PowerMac G5 , alway's happy with a security-update from Apple.Keep's things safe :)
"Yesterday is history ,
tomorrow is mystery ,
today is a gift ,
that's why they call it present ..."
joker2
Nov 29, 2005, 10:50 PM
No apparent problems here. 12" powerbook 1Ghz, 768MB RAM running 10.4.3.
Airport Express(es) still working fine, no kernel panics yet, Mail still works, Safari still works. No weird "haxies" installed, so no need to do reinstallation of anything.
bigwig
Nov 29, 2005, 11:12 PM
Shouldn't we be a bit more wary of claiming that restarts due to garbage are unnecessary--*yet*--until we've ditched Carbon file-handling and Apple's aging, case-insensitive HFS+ (which has been around since System 8.1) and either invented some new file system or latched onto another existing one, such as the UFS that Apple also offers in its installers?
If you're going to go to a new filesystem, why not SGI's XFS?
rugbyspartan
Nov 29, 2005, 11:16 PM
I failt to understand why Apple's servers hate me with new software updates not showing up in my software updater. I hate having to go to the Apple Download's page to get an update.
andrewm
Nov 29, 2005, 11:19 PM
Erm. Not always. Security updates can apply to any 10.4 version sometimes, or any 10.3 version sometimes, or any 10.2 version sometimes.
I'd go against saying that security updates are micro OS updates.
Time for an [[uptime]] MacGuide page?
There is a case-sensitive version of HFS+. When you install Tiger's Disk Utility supports it. Be warned-- programers have not yet updated their programs to work with the 'real' filename and often times programs will not work correctly. This can be fixed by you manually rename files to what the program is looking for.
HFS+ has its roots in HFS, found in System 3. HFS+ was just an extension added on. If you have fewer than 65,000 files in a folder (or was it a disk?) and have the allocation blocks set correctly you can sometimes read HFS+ disks in System 7. It is a bit hit or miss, though. :confused: But HFS+ is needed because it allows for much greater support of the data/resource forks, a valuable part of the operating system.
I was already going on a bit verbose, but yes, I'm using HFSX (in a two-drive RAID, no less) on my G5. Generally it's the Carbon items such as Myst IV: Revelation and Adobe CS 2 that cause the problems (I should say, the *installer* for Myst IV--I had to move some items manually into the package bundle, masochist that I am).
Edit: I'm personally not having a great deal of trouble, to be fair, and if you can net a twenty-seven day uptime, I salute you! but I do tend to find myself rebooting at least once every few days, perhaps from hardware as some have said (coupled with my file system?)--but it happens, whatever the cause.
That did sort of stray off-topic. What a romp!
skythefly13
Nov 29, 2005, 11:20 PM
I just installed the update on my iBook with OS X 10.3.9 Since the reboot I haven't been able to connect to any wireless networks. Okay, let me rephrase that. I can connect, or at least it looks like I'm connected, but I can't pull up any webpages or check my e-mail. Very strange. I've never had a problem with an update before.
Isnt 10.4.2 or higher required? Maybe it isnt, but thats just what I thought.
devilot
Nov 29, 2005, 11:24 PM
Isnt 10.4.2 or higher required? Maybe it isnt, but thats just what I thought.Nope... if you go to Apple's site linky (http://www.info.apple.com/kbnum/n61798), then you'll notice this (see screenshot):
Anyhow, I'm a little nervous about installing this so I'll wait a bit.
alangyssler
Nov 29, 2005, 11:29 PM
Well, I ran the update, restarted, repaired permissions, ran mac janitor. went to check my email at mail.vidette.ilstu.edu, and my fonts were substituted into something funky... it only occurs in safari, and has been spotted on several websites. please help. i'm fearing a need for a system restore. i should have run ccc when i had the chance. dang it! please help.
attached: bad - font substitution (safari), good: correct display (camino)
bbyrdhouse
Nov 29, 2005, 11:36 PM
lemme guess
Safari feels snappier, right?
:) :D
I can't believe that the post count got to 30 before someone said that.:D
gerardrj
Nov 29, 2005, 11:56 PM
File management is handled largely with Carbon operations, on some level. Shouldn't we be a bit more wary of claiming that restarts due to garbage are unnecessary--*yet*--until we've ditched Carbon file-handling and Apple's aging, case-insensitive HFS+ (which has been around since System 8.1) and either invented some new file system or latched onto another existing one, such as the UFS that Apple also offers in its installers?
I have no problems using case sensitive HFS+. Just format the volume as such with Disk Utility and viola!
~Shard~
Nov 30, 2005, 12:11 AM
I can't believe that the post count got to 30 before someone said that.:D
I can't believe the first few posts weren't "Installed fine, no problems." :cool:
bluebomberman
Nov 30, 2005, 01:22 AM
Well, I ran the update, restarted, repaired permissions, ran mac janitor. went to check my email at mail.vidette.ilstu.edu, and my fonts were substituted into something funky... it only occurs in safari, and has been spotted on several websites. please help. i'm fearing a need for a system restore. i should have run ccc when i had the chance. dang it! please help.
attached: bad - font substitution (safari), good: correct display (camino)
What happens when you change the encoding? (View->Text Encoding)
alangyssler
Nov 30, 2005, 01:33 AM
Thank you very much for that suggestion. I think I MAY have figured out the problem, maybe. I ran FontAgent Pro, and noticed that ALL my fonts were activated, which would cause my system to crawl and beach ball all over the place. I deactivated them, and some re-activated automatically. I then downloaded a trial version of Smasher (made by the same company as FontAgent Pro - insidersoftware.com), ran it, and it seemed to clear things up. I then ran the Terminal sudo commands, and deleted some cache files, just for a good measure. Restarted, and bam. Problem solved, for now. If the problem crops up again, I'll give the text encoding change a try... unless you still suggest it. What does that do? I've never heard anything about it, or what it does, so I'm curious.
Thanks again. Helpful suggestions within an hour and a half. Wow! I love MR! :)
Clix Pix
Nov 30, 2005, 02:01 AM
No problems installing the update on my rev B iMac with 2 GB RAM...
Everything seems to be working just fine, including Safari.
OTB
oober_freak
Nov 30, 2005, 02:33 AM
The fonts in Safari and Adium are over-lapping.. and the text isn't even highlighting properly. I tried everything.. repaired permissions, deleted the preference files. ran macjanitor..
pls help me.. how do I go back :(
Edit-
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/9339/safariprob2uw.th.jpg (http://img513.imageshack.us/my.php?image=safariprob2uw.jpg)
this is what i get :(
EricNau
Nov 30, 2005, 02:43 AM
too many reported problems for me...I'm gonna wait a few weeks.
devman
Nov 30, 2005, 04:23 AM
Well FWIW installed fine and without any apparent problems so far on my PM and PB (see sig). Also the website with the font problems two posts above this (oober_freak) renders fine to me (or at least I can see any obvious problems with it).
iMeowbot
Nov 30, 2005, 04:48 AM
I've read that it's good to restart your computer every so often, otherwise it may not operate optimally. I'm not sure if it's memory fragmentation or what...but I remember hearing that it may start doing weird things or just becomes sluggish if you don't do a restart now and then. I'm not sure how often it's recommended to restart though.
It's sort of still true, in that the longer you stay logged in doing normal things, the more useless little processes can get started up and hang around using up resources no no good reason. Generally, logging out and back in will clean out that sort of cruft (and if you're lucky, every program you use will be well behaved and even that won't be needed).
Will Cheyney
Nov 30, 2005, 05:10 AM
The fonts in Safari and Adium are over-lapping.. and the text isn't even highlighting properly. I tried everything.. repaired permissions, deleted the preference files. ran macjanitor..
pls help me.. how do I go back :(
Edit-
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/9339/safariprob2uw.th.jpg (http://img513.imageshack.us/my.php?image=safariprob2uw.jpg)
this is what i get :(
That could just be a problem with your 'skinning' software. Try turning it off and see if the problem is still apparent.
bigwig
Nov 30, 2005, 05:24 AM
No problems installing the update on my rev B iMac with 2 GB RAM...
Everything seems to be working just fine, including Safari.
Ditto my identical iMac.
Applespider
Nov 30, 2005, 05:29 AM
I'm tempted to just install it. Hopefully Safari would be less crap after this update. It randomly freezes up on me and I have to quit. :mad:
Abstract, mine was doing this until I did some editing of my hosts file to take out a couple of adserving sites and Safari hasn't crashed since. WHen I get home, I'll check the two in particular that I added and see if that helps you.
mdavey
Nov 30, 2005, 05:45 AM
why not SGI's XFS?
Why not ZFS (http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/) from the OpenSolaris project?
pianojoe
Nov 30, 2005, 08:07 AM
:mad: Wow! This Security Update messed up my PowerBook. (Kernel panic on every restart, even before the login screen.) It took me 3 hrs to figure out that one of the StartupItems was the culprit. Now everything works like a charm.
One of these, located in /Library/StartupItems/, was the bad guy:
M-Audio Firmware Loader
IOXpertsDeviceMonitor
CocktailNetworkOptimization
CocktailBroadbandOptimization
I used another Mac and Target Disk Mode to rename the StartupItems Folder (in Terminal).
Woosh, everything's fine again.
Note:
StartupItems are loaded during system startup, and should not be confused with LoginItems. The latter can be set in the System Preferences Accounts pane.
dernhelm
Nov 30, 2005, 08:58 AM
Several Safari security fixes might bring about some compatibility issues like what happened with the 10.4.3 update for me. I'll wait until enough people have installed the security update to see if it negatively impacts Safari.
Just updated, reboot went, no safari problems here. (17" PB, 1.67GHz).
iMeowbot
Nov 30, 2005, 09:14 AM
One of these, located in /Library/StartupItems/, was the bad guy:
CocktailNetworkOptimization
CocktailBroadbandOptimization
Most likely it was Cocktail, already known to be insecure rubbish. It probably ran up against the sudo fixes in the Apple update.
marmanold
Nov 30, 2005, 09:42 AM
I just installed the update on my iBook with OS X 10.3.9 Since the reboot I haven't been able to connect to any wireless networks. Okay, let me rephrase that. I can connect, or at least it looks like I'm connected, but I can't pull up any webpages or check my e-mail. Very strange. I've never had a problem with an update before.
Somehow the update was causing KeyChain to want to ask me if it was okay to let the updated AirPort to use my wireless password. However, before it could ask me KeyChain would chrash, thus not allowing me access to the network. I tried manually going into KeyChain and fixing this, but KeyChain would crash when I tried that, too.
Finally I just plugged my iBook into the router and rebooted. Once I did this KeyChain worked properly, I's able to confirm KeyChain allowing the updated AirPort to use my wireless password, and all was well in the world.
Now Safari won't load... this is the second update that's broken Safari on my iBook. Guess I'll have to reinstall OS X again...
wonderkid
Nov 30, 2005, 01:25 PM
...but my Mac is just the same. :)
tuartboy
Nov 30, 2005, 02:20 PM
Simply type
uptime
then hit return in Terminal
or if you use adium (you should) type "%_uptime" in a conversation.
alexbasson
Nov 30, 2005, 02:39 PM
I went ahead and installed the updates on my Mini (running 10.4.3). After restart, all of my mysql databases had disappeared, including the ones that were acting as the backend of several webpages (I'm using my Mini as a low-volume webserver). I have older back-ups, so I'll only have lost about a month's worth of data, but that's still a pretty hard hit. Yeesh -- my first-of-the-month back-up schedule would have been tomorrow...
Please, no "you should have backed-up first" or "you should have waited a day" replies... I know I should have... I'm feeling bad enough as it is. :( Won't forget again, I promise.
For your own health and well-being, please please please back up before installing.
JJTiger1
Nov 30, 2005, 02:51 PM
-snip-
Now Safari won't load... this is the second update that's broken Safari on my iBook. Guess I'll have to reinstall OS X again...
Here it is again:
Another Mac OSX Updater, or another Apple Security Updater, the end result is that Safari stalls out.
What can you do?
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WARNING: Running the script will clear Safari caches, clear Safari history, delete the problematic .plist, and empty your trash can.
If you have any file of value in your trash can, you will lose it. The trash can is not intended to be your file storage folder. Use the Documents Folder as your file storage folder.
CAUTION: There is a minor glitch with the script as written in
http://www.resexcellence.com/usebb/topic.php?id=280&
They show a carriage return in the wrong place.
The default column width for this forum may also induce an auto
matic carriage return.
Your viewing space width may also induce an auto
matic carriage return.
Make your viewing space wider.
Line 6 contains a long character string, no spaces between characters within the quotes.
Line 6 does NOT have a carriage return after the & nor within the quotes.
Line 7 starts with the characters "if ("
The script:
tell application "Safari" to quit
tell application "Finder"
set x to (path to current user folder) as Unicode text
set y to x & "Library:Caches:Safari" as Unicode text
set z to x & "Library:Safari:History.plist" as Unicode text
set zz to x & "Library:Preferences:com.apple.quicktime.plugin.preferences.plist" as Unicode text
if (exists item y) then
delete item y
end if
if (exists item z) then
delete item z
end if
if (exists item zz) then
delete item zz
end if
empty trash
end tell
You can paste the script into Script Editor, and it should work ... if you think you can use AppleScript to invent a script.
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You can manually remove the problematic .plist:
It is located: username > Library > Preferences > com.apple.quicktime.plugin.preferences.plist
You can manually clean the Safari Caches either of two ways:
Safari: MenuBar > Safari > Empty Cache
Safari: Keyboard: Command + Option + E
You can manually clear your Safari History:
Safari: MenuBar > Safari >* History > Clear History
You can manually empty your trash can.
Right-click on the trash can > Empty Trash.
... I love that new Mighty Mouse. Took a whole minute to get used to it. And the buttons are programmable via System Preferences.
Maybe you should Reset Safari.
Safari: MenuBar > Safari > Reset Safari..
and empty the Java Caches too.
Applications folder > Utilities folder > Java folder > Java Settings > Cache tab > Clear
The recently released Java 2 SE 5.0 Release 3 tweaked Safari. Safari is bit faster.
How much faster? 42.
http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/java2se50release3.html
... then take it from the top. You installed yet another Apple Updater.
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JJ Tiger
bresslba
Nov 30, 2005, 05:24 PM
I installed this update last night on my 15" powerbook, and after the restart it asked for it will only boot to the command prompt. I have tried all the normal tricks (reseting PRAM, NVRAM, disk repair on Tiger install disc) and have had no luck. Has anyone else had this problem, or have any idea how to fix it besides reinstalling Tiger?
JW Pepper
Nov 30, 2005, 05:36 PM
Yikes, hard to risk this update after reading these posts.
dernhelm
Nov 30, 2005, 05:52 PM
It seems this update (or the last one, I use Firefox now and aren't entirely sure) broke Safari's ability to pass the Acid2 test (http://webstandards.org/act/acid2/):
Odd. It still passes the acid2 test on my pb...
dernhelm
Nov 30, 2005, 05:59 PM
Somehow the update was causing KeyChain to want to ask me if it was okay to let the updated AirPort to use my wireless password. However, before it could ask me KeyChain would chrash, thus not allowing me access to the network. I tried manually going into KeyChain and fixing this, but KeyChain would crash when I tried that, too.
I had this problem after the LAST system update. It kept telling me it needed a password for my keychain, but no password I entered would work. My "fix" for it was to trash my keychain file, and let it create a new one for me. That was painful for the first little while until it had asked me for every password that I still use, but it seemed to clear up most or all of my problems. Probably wasn't bad cleaning that thing out, anyway.
Mitthrawnuruodo
Nov 30, 2005, 06:06 PM
Odd. It still passes the acid2 test on my pb...Yes, I figured out why... which you will have noticed whenever you've come this far in the thread... ;)
thomasp
Nov 30, 2005, 06:16 PM
The update still isn't showing up on my 15" 1.5GHz PB, running OSX 10.4.2...
I still also have the Java update lurking, along with QT7.0.3 and iTunes 6.0.1 - perhaps these are all blocking the update.
cal6n
Nov 30, 2005, 07:11 PM
The update still isn't showing up on my 15" 1.5GHz PB, running OSX 10.4.2...
I still also have the Java update lurking, along with QT7.0.3 and iTunes 6.0.1 - perhaps these are all blocking the update.
Nope it's for 10.4.3
There's also one for 10.3.9
& 2 more for their respective server versions..
mody2
Nov 30, 2005, 07:13 PM
I have 10.3.9 on my iBook and I just installed this update and now my sound doesn't work. Nothing comes out of the speakers, turning up and down the volume doesn't affect this, and nothing comes through headphones when I plug them in. Any idea what to do?
illustratorDavi
Nov 30, 2005, 08:04 PM
My 2.7 G5 now has the beachball slow down at the end of reasonable complex tasks in Photoshop and Dreamweaver. :/
It last for a few minutes.
David
EricNau
Nov 30, 2005, 08:14 PM
If Apple were to fix an update (if it were casing problems on some computers) would Apple do it secretly, or would they say something?
crazytom
Nov 30, 2005, 09:59 PM
It seems that this security update has made my machine very secure: I can't access secure websites or my email....so, I'm secure from doing anything that should be 'secure'!
....hopefully this will be something easy to fix....but somehow I doubt it. :(
crazytom
Nov 30, 2005, 10:36 PM
It seems that this security update has made my machine very secure: I can't access secure websites or my email....so, I'm secure from doing anything that should be 'secure'!
....hopefully this will be something easy to fix....but somehow I doubt it. :(
To answer my own post: it seemed that my router needed to be rebooted too. I don't know why, but it worked! All is well in update-land once again. :D
FFTT
Dec 1, 2005, 01:01 AM
I just spent a wondrous 4 hours in update purgatory using every trick in the
book to get past the default screen that follows your login.
Earlier today I installed the 2005-009 security Update and rebooted without incident.
This evening I tried to open a Stuffit compressed file that apparently
became corrupted when I lost my signal earlier in the day.
Stuffit tried to open it without success, then refused to quit or force quit
after several attempts.
I had better things to do, so I shut down the hard way.
Upon rebooting, I could't get past my login.
It took my password fine, but then just stalled.
I waited and waited and finally went for another hard shut down.
I'm pretty sure Stuffit was trying to archive the failed attempt to
expand the corrupted file I had downloaded, but it just wouldn't quit.
It get's better.
I'm fortunate to have a 2nd defaut boot drive in my tower, so I used my OS disc to repair permissions on my primary drive then booted up to the 2nd drive so I could run Disk Warrior.
I had also installed the security update on this default boot drive.
After verifying permissions and verifying the discs,
I decided to see what the volume looked like and saw that it was about
3% out, so I ran the defragging utility and all looked fine until during
step 8 I got that dreadful "YOU MUST SHUT DOWN YOUR COMPUTER"
error that indicates a kernel panic.
GraphicUmp, bless her heart, stayed with me for the next hour or so
trying to help me get the system back up, but I kept getting back to the
login and no further.
I deleted the cache files indicated in MacFixit's article, but no joy.
Finally, I ran the OS disc and decided to try changing the password
and whaddya know it worked. I got past the login window and that was where it stayed.
It was still chugging away 15 minutes later so I shut it down again.
We tried the single user boot, reset PMU and NVRAM and nothing seemed to work. Graphic ump signed off convinced that I'd have to run an archive install.
I tried to run Tiger Cache Cleaner off the secondary drive, but that didn't work because you have to run it from your boot drive.
Anyway, I finally went back and repaired the promary drive again off the OS disc, then ran DiskWarrior 2 more times until the primary drive show
100% and saved.
I decided that i would change the password back to my normal password
and FINALLY I was able to login and got back to my desktop.
When I finally got back into my home folder, there were 7 alias user
folders in the home folder.
As far as I can tell, I may have been fine if I had not run out of patience
and given the volume more time to index after I logged in, but it appeared to be frozen so I gave up.
As result of my folley, I had to run Tiger Cache Cleaner, repair permissons
again and relaunch all my normal dock applications.
By some miracle, I'm back up with nothing more than a headache.
I still don't know if it was the OS security update, Stuffit, FileVault or my
old McAfee 7.2 that caused the problem. Or simply my own pilot error for losing patience.
I still have no idea what caused the kernel panic on my secondary default drive.
mdavey
Dec 1, 2005, 04:32 AM
If Apple were to fix an update (if it were casing problems on some computers) would Apple do it secretly, or would they say something?
They would issue a new version of the update. This happened with Security Update 2005-007 which is currently at version 1.1 (goto System Preferences->Software Update->Installed Updates to see which version(s) of each update you have installed).
Dale Cooper
Dec 1, 2005, 06:18 AM
It kills Saft.
Mitthrawnuruodo
Dec 1, 2005, 06:21 AM
It kills Saft.Always does...
That's one of the reasons Firefox is a better choice... ;)
mdavey
Dec 1, 2005, 06:24 AM
It kills Saft.
Hao Li, the developer of Saft released version 8.2.1 within hours of the security update being released into the wild. You can get it here (http://haoli.dnsalias.com/Saft/Download/).
Seasought
Dec 1, 2005, 10:18 AM
I installed the updates.
No problems so far, no change in system performance, no digital gremlins to be found.
<snapping noise>
"Who's there?" <trudges off into his filesystem>
abrooks
Dec 2, 2005, 05:05 PM
I just spent a wondrous 4 hours in update purgatory using every trick in the
book to get past the default screen that follows your login.
Earlier today I installed the 2005-009 security Update and rebooted without incident.
This evening I tried to open a Stuffit compressed file that apparently
became corrupted when I lost my signal earlier in the day.
Stuffit tried to open it without success, then refused to quit or force quit
after several attempts.
I had better things to do, so I shut down the hard way.
Upon rebooting, I could't get past my login.
It took my password fine, but then just stalled.
*snip*
Wow man, you've been through the wars, here have a drink on me
:D
devilot
Dec 6, 2005, 06:40 PM
Psst... psst. It's been a few days now. Is it safe to go ahead and download this update? :o
Mechcozmo
Dec 7, 2005, 01:36 PM
ive in my tower, so I used my OS disc to repair permissions on my primary drive then booted up to the 2nd drive so I could run Disk Warrior.
Don't Repair Permissions off of the OS disk! See the Guides for more information on that.
I still don't know if it was the OS security update, Stuffit, FileVault or my
old McAfee 7.2 that caused the problem. Or simply my own pilot error for losing patience.
McAfee 7.2 has issues with Tiger I think...
iIra
Dec 7, 2005, 06:38 PM
when I installed it on my mini the resolution somehow set itself to either 800 x 600 or 640 x 480. I can't remember which. anyways, when I reboot, it's still at a lower resolution until login. any ideas?
Peter Griffin
Dec 8, 2005, 10:52 AM
Wow. Does anyone know how long Apple usually takes to fix screw ups like this?
Mechcozmo
Dec 8, 2005, 08:34 PM
Wow. Does anyone know how long Apple usually takes to fix screw ups like this?
This is a screwup? Heh.
10.3+FW800=0
:)
For all of you that are doing this: :confused:
The original version of Panther had incompatibilities with FW800 chipsets and wiped the drive. :o
Or the version of Jaguar that messed up Ethernet....
A few isolated issues are NOT screwups.
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