More to Come from Apple... Soon?

[MacRumors]

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Wired's Cult of Mac blog (http://wiredblogs.tripod.com/cultofmac/index.blog?entry_id=1385976) offers some uncharacteristic tidbits from a knowledgable friend who is only attributed as an "anonymous source".

This source claims that the Steve Jobs keynote that was delivered was not the actual keynote originally planned. As noted before, Steve Jobs prepares for weeks (http://technology.guardian.co.uk/weekly/story/0,16376,1677772,00.html) prior to the actual event.

Instead, the claim is that "some very, very cool stuff" was eliminated because of supply issues. The blame is laid on the Core Duo chips. When asked if the products were simply 12" and 17" MacBooks, the source claimed the unreleased products are "much cooler".

The reliability of this source is unknown so it should be taken with significant uncertainty. It is only posted on Page 1 due to prominence of the blog which will likely generate a significant amount of discussion.

[iMacSE500]

The plasma tvs maybe?

[applemacdude]

i wouldnt doubt that apple has something coming in the next month or so to compliment the macbooks...

[mad jew]

The plasma tvs maybe?


With Core Duo chips though?... Perhaps...

This rumour makes sense. It's slightly ironic (only slightly) that Steve is once again waiting for the CPU maker.

[arn]

Of note the author of this Blog is the Author of Cult of Mac and Cult of iPod books. for what it's worth...

arn

[iMacSE500]

With Core Duo chips though?... Perhaps...
After rereading it, my "plasma tv" post doesnt make any sense.

[reglarecneps]

I knew it, I knew it, Plasmas are definitely coming.
<crosses finger>

True about the wrong chips "problem", I still want the TV Though.

[bhirt]

So i think there is no way this is true. It's always some supplier that's at fault for something like this. If apple had some "cool" product, they would have announced it. Intel has never had supply issues like what's implied in this article.

[Will_reed]

Just as long as theres another stevenote Im happy

[Josh396]

Can't wait to see if this turns out to be true. I'm sure I won't be in the market for whatever it is, but it will be interesting to see if Apple incorporates new Intel technology, especially this soon. I wonder what else Apple can think of.

[Chip NoVaMac]

Maybe 2006 is the year that Apple tries to one up Sony, and become the new consumer electronic giant over the next two years. The iPod has replaced the Walkman...

[altair]

I love the in depth description

it is teh m0re c00ler!!!

[Bye Bye Baby]

So i think there is no way this is true. It's always some supplier that's at fault for something like this. If apple had some "cool" product, they would have announced it. Intel has never had supply issues like what's implied in this article.


The thing that convinces me is the observation about the keynote address. He went on forever about iLife and iWork that really was a lot of crap. I was dissappointed with the keynote. He gave the impression that he was plugging holes at the last minute. I am sure there is a lot more cool stuff to come. Otherwise Apple is in deep trouble. All the hype to have only two computers that really aren't much of a revolution- there needs to be more.

[codycartoon]

this is a nice time to own apple stock... too bad I only have 50 shares.

-cody

[BlueRevolution]

I still doubt the plasma TV theory. it's just not feasable to integrate a computer and TV since they have such different usable lifespans.

maybe an iBook... it could be considered big if it gets a new design.

maybe they update the Power Mac or Xserve... they could do quad proc across the line with the cost of the core duos. hell, with the power consumption of the things they could have 8x processors... no massive heat sinks.

or maybe they announce the MacBook Pro's battery life. :D

[ChrisH3677]

Just as long as theres another stevenote Im happy

You betcha! Remember Steve said: "Some of you we won't see again before then" (1st April). So obvisouly there's another smaller than MWSF stevenote planned - another red curtain "One more thing..." event maybe?

[Peace]

If that blog has any truth to it I wouldn't be thinking plasma tv..

From the blog :
"He also said that if he were me, he probably wouldn't order one of the new MacBook Pros."



discuss..

[QCassidy352]

screw "much cooler;" just give me my 12" macbook pro!

[Trowaman]

Well, i did talk to a Fry's employee last monday. He said he has seen a new Shuffle. However, he said it wasn't that special, no screen. However it was a bit smaller.

Then again, the employee seemed to despise iPods. I notice a lot of Fry's employees peddling Creatives which they have displayed much better.

I still want my mac mini DVR, actually that seems to fit the description.

[puckhead193]

its the 8 pound ipod with 10 inch screen :rolleyes:

[MacFan782040]

its the 8 pound ipod with 10 inch screen :rolleyes:

hahaha i was jsut gonan say the same thing

[cjboffoli97]

Having just returned from CES where I saw everyone doing media centers, I have to think that Apple MUST be doing this too and sometime soon. But methinks they're smart to wait and devote the available Duo chips to the new iMacs and Macbooks. The latter is the eventual incarnation of the "Powerbook G5" that everyone was waiting for. The demand will be huge. I've already ordered mine and I currently own a perfectly good 15" Powerbook 1.67GHz.

[PowerbookG31991]

"They can't get enough Core Duo (chips)," said my source.

Between the lawsuit between AMD and Intel, I'm sure they can get the chips by the truckload!

[iEdd]

If I hadn't ordered an iMac instead, I would be hoping for 12" macbook pros. I'd rather they came out at WWDC in June when *maybe* I'd have enough for one aswell..
I hope for plasmas if anything :D

[sdf]

I hope it's a return of Bob W.

[puckhead193]

hahaha i was jsut gonan say the same thing
its so obvious come on...we did see the prototype/sketches of the G5 powerbook ;) :rolleyes:

[DMann]

You betcha! Remember Steve said: "Some of you we won't see again before then" (1st April). So obvisouly there's another smaller than MWSF stevenote planned - another red curtain "One more thing..." event maybe?

Now we're gonna need something sleek to roll out the new Final Cut Extreme and new proapp upgrades -- perhaps new cinema displays, new slim-line
iBooks, new MacMini/Entertainment consoles...... One more thing x 10

[PowerbookG31991]

Oi, epepper9.
Did you read about the lawsuit in PC World a couple of months ago?
(Only if you live in Australia)

[LimeiBook86]

I have my mouse over the "Order" button on the new intel iMac and I read this.....come on Apple, don't do this to me! :( Now I have to wait I guess, I hate waiting...:mad:

[yoda_four]

If the real blame is in fact chips, the only ones I can think of that aren't yet available in mass quantities would be VIIV. Doesn't it kinda make sense that Apple would release an iHome and iTV on their 30 anniversary? Everyone would think it was a big joke, and then Steve could hold a keynote the next week going over sales of the products and their features, and then releases a new iBook, new Mac mini, more MacBook Pros and the Universal Pro Apps. Yay or nay?

Or I could also just see Apple holding two keynotes: One in March, perhaps, with iBooks and Mac mini updates. Then another April 1st introducing a real iPod video, iHome, and iTV.

More MacBooks, and universal Pro Apps could just be at some convention (NAB maybe, or something a bit earlier).

The Stevenote did seem a bit subdued compared to earlier ones. It did, however, have a few fun gags in it (the Pope, Super Secret Apple Rumors).

I truly believe that towards the end, with the mention of both the whole line going over to Intel, and the 30th Anniversary, Steve was telling us that we are going to hear from him again soon. Time will tell.

[Aldaris]

The MacBook Pro is dead Were here to announce the New "Insert Sexy Name Here"; Black Curtian lifts to unveil the new Apple Professional Notebook

Oh, and the new mac media cube with 500Gb for media storage, bundled with mac media displays with wonderful HD tuners, New iPod Dock that let's you use the Menu button on your Apple Remote to move through menus...

[b0x]

I think Apple are hanging out for core solo's for the new iBook (MacBook), and the mini. I hope they refresh the Shuffle line, possibly putting an eink screen on them, so when they're not opperating you can have messages displayed on the screen, things like your name or something witty!

[PowerbookG31991]

What I hate about Apple (and every other company), is that when you just purchase that new shiney computer and when it's delivered to you and you open it......some other product that is more faster and powerful comes on the market!

But hey, that's bussiness!

[EricNau]

Apple needs something brand new, unlike anything they've sold before to release on their 30th Anniversary. Like a 42" iMac - Media Edition. :cool:

[PowerbookG31991]

Apple needs something brand new, unlike anything they've sold before to release on their 30th Anniversary. Like a 42" iMac - Media Edition. :cool:

That would be sweet.

[providence]

There was a missing video announcement which I reasoned was going to be pulled because of the pending lawsuit with Burst.

Essentially Burst is strangling the industry and single handedly preventing the video revolution from happening.

M$ paid them $62 million in fines and licenses, and if you realize that Jobs would allow Apple to get involved in a lawsuit with the Beatles over their name, then you can sure as heck bet he will go to the mat with Burst over their silly patent claims.

Someone really smart from the Electronic Frontier Foundation, or this site or Slashdot, needs to examine those patents and find several cases of previous existence to help Apple and hence the anytime anywhere on-demand video revolution begin!

[kalisphoenix]

I had a feeling that something odd was going on -- you might say that it's 20/20 hindsight, but, well, I don't. It wasn't that Steve seemed unprepared -- he was in fine form, even if he did demo apps about 2.43 hours longer than I could bear... but he did seem under the weather. I blamed it on the iCough he trotted out, but it could be something like this.

[SAukland]

Macbook Tablet. It has to be.

That would be so nice. Remember, all those patents... and we're free of PPC now. Performance per watt, smaller, T,A,B,L,E,T.

:o

[Mechcozmo]

I hope it's a return of Bob W.

Damn, I'd seriously buy something like that.

Single core on the go, two extra cores in a base station, DVD burner in base station, extra VRAM, etc.

Only if it came as a set mind you; laptop and docking bay/station. Not "one and the other" like the old ones.

(BOB W. was the code name for the old Duos. Best Of Both Words; means best of laptop, best of desktop. I agree.)

[Chundles]

I have my mouse over the "Order" button on the new intel iMac and I read this.....come on Apple, don't do this to me! :( Now I have to wait I guess, I hate waiting...:mad:

Click the button.

Stop waiting, just click the button. This guy reckon's Intel can't deliver enough chips? INTEL?!?! These guys aren't small fish, they're the biggest bloody shark in the ocean, even their scrap chips would be more than enough to supply the whole year's supply of Macs.

I think there was going to be more stuff but it was going to be more consumer electronics.

Click the button man, just click the button.

[providence]

Well, i did talk to a Fry's employee last monday. He said he has seen a new Shuffle. However, he said it wasn't that special, no screen. However it was a bit smaller.

How can that be when the Apple Staff that were demo'ing the new MacBook's and iMacs at the show were told about them moments after they were announced by Steve.

They literally got a drink and the crowds rushed them.

[devman]

So i think there is no way this is true. It's always some supplier that's at fault for something like this. If apple had some "cool" product, they would have announced it. Intel has never had supply issues like what's implied in this article.

I'm with you on this. I've no doubt there are more cool products coming but to say they weren't announced because of Core Duo supply does not make sense.

[mlrproducts]

I would realistically loved to see a revamped Mac Mini (or replacement) media center, with pro duos (yeah, its not a pro machine, but would need the horsies). A DVR that accesses a vid service with 720x480 h.264s vids to download, of course per movie (maybe in the future subscription, I'd personally rather have that for movies, priced at less than $30/month).

Of course, matching Apple-branded 42" Plasmas and larger, that connect to the HDMI port on the new Mac w/PVR. That Mac would have bluetooth, ship with a new keyboard/mouse combo (BT of course), 802.11n, can connect to a video express, and VIIV platform.

HAPPY 30th Apple!!!

(sooooo I got off track, not so realistic!)

Wait, he met him in a BAR, perhaps the guy was DRUNK!!!! Sounds like a good joke I know, "a lame hit-desiring playboy went into a bar, followed by a drunk intel bunny..."

[Gus]

Personally, the whole "plasma TV/media center/wonder computer" thing doesn't do it for me at all. Laptops are the only thing I care about, and the blog said "I would wait to buy a MacBook". To me, this implies another round of laptops better in either features or price (I'm hoping for the latter).

Regards,
Gus

[PowerbookG31991]

If they happen to revamp the Mac mini, they should start on the Hard Drive.

[swingerofbirch]

my hope is that apple unveils humility

their last ad, though extremely artistic and beautifully shot, was a weird shot at intel and the pc industry, especially considering that many of steve jobs gorgeous pixar movies were made on intel farms.....it's a pretty insulting ad, and doesn't make a whole heap of sense in that apple is choosing to now use these chips...far better to show what you do great then say what some one else has supposedly done badly...

plus that moby song is too spiritual and movign in my opinion to be used to advertise computers, doesnt sit well with me, it should be used in an ad for world peace

[EricNau]

If they happen to revamp the Mac mini, they should start on the Hard Drive.
...and end with a built-in TV tuner. :cool: :D

[joepunk]

D'oh! some more new things to show up that will distract me from my design classes. Bring them on. Thanks :D

[bdkennedy1]

What I hate about Apple (and every other company), is that when you just purchase that new shiney computer and when it's delivered to you and you open it......some other product that is more faster and powerful comes on the market!

But hey, that's bussiness!

That's because you're obsessed with speed. You get a computer that handles what you want it to. I'm not too thrilled that the Intel iMac is probably faster than my original dual 2ghz G5, but hey, it does what I need it to do and does it well.

[bdkennedy1]

I'm with you on this. I've no doubt there are more cool products coming but to say they weren't announced because of Core Duo supply does not make sense.

It makes sense to me. Almost every computer maker out there is getting there hands on the Core Duo all at once.

[brepublican]

I knew there was something missing. Viiv. Thats got to be it, something to do with Viiv.

[SeaFox]

It's slightly ironic (only slightly) that Steve is once again waiting for the CPU maker.

What's slightly ironic is Steve is waiting on Intel due to supply issues. I know these are new chips and all, but really. Even Intel, the chip supplier, the big kahuna, is unable to quench lowly Apple's appetite for high preformance yet cool running processors.

Wasn't a big reason we switched to Intel because their massive production capacity was supposed to end these sort of shortfalls?

[Chundles]

What's slightly ironic is Steve is waiting on Intel due to supply issues. I know these are new chips and all, but really. Even Intel, the chip supplier, the big kahuna, is unable to quench lowly Apple's appetite for high preformance yet cool running processors.

Wasn't a big reason we switched to Intel because their massive production capacity was supposed to end these sort of shortfalls?

That's why I think the whole story is a load of old bollocks.

[sluthy]

Yeah, but at least Apple's delays now match those of the rest of the industry. Waiting three months for 0.3GHz won't be as hard to swallow when Dell and HP have the same problems.

I'm predicting Apple will do something for their 30th Anniversary. Think 20th Anniversary Mac, but more, um, conventional :). I'm not holding my breath for plasmas, still think the HD crowd needs to pull it's act together first.

[toontra]

The thing that convinces me is the observation about the keynote address. He went on forever about iLife and iWork that really was a lot of crap. I was disappointed with the keynote. He gave the impression that he was plugging holes at the last minute.

Good point. I think he was on iLife for almost a whole hour, going into every minutiae of each app. Considering most of them have merely been tweaked this seemed totally unnecessary to me at the time (as well as infuriating!).

For that reason this rumor seems plausible.

[BillyShears]

The "way cooler" announcement is that they were "only kidding" about the name "MacBook Pro." The reason you should wait is because early adopters are stuck with the name.

[japasneezemonk]

Just give me a 12" MacBook Pro.

[japasneezemonk]

The "way cooler" announcement is that they were "only kidding" about the name "MacBook Pro." The reason you should wait is because early adopters are stuck with the name.

I do hope you are right

EDIT: sorry for the double post.

[cosmos]

If you are not hoping for an XServe update (like me), how about something totally 'out of the blue?'

Maybe a 'Newton2' PDA that has iTunes?

Or like others have said, maybe a tablet based unit? If nothing else, I am betting that 2006 offers more product announcements than we have seen in a very long time....

[BlueRevolution]

my hope is that apple unveils humility

their last ad, though extremely artistic and beautifully shot, was a weird shot at intel and the pc industry, especially considering that many of steve jobs gorgeous pixar movies were made on intel farms.....it's a pretty insulting ad, and doesn't make a whole heap of sense in that apple is choosing to now use these chips...far better to show what you do great then say what some one else has supposedly done badly...

plus that moby song is too spiritual and movign in my opinion to be used to advertise computers, doesnt sit well with me, it should be used in an ad for world peace

you should see the new ad here for the Liberal party, saying that the Conservatives would create a police state and deploy the military in all Canadian cities. pfft the Apple ad is nothing ;)

though I found the narrator's voice kind of condescending towards the end... "inside a Mac, how cute"

The "way cooler" announcement is that they were "only kidding" about the name "MacBook Pro." The reason you should wait is because early adopters are stuck with the name.

yeah. I keep hoping I'll wake up and find the name was all just a bad dream.

[BRLawyer]

The thing that convinces me is the observation about the keynote address. He went on forever about iLife and iWork that really was a lot of crap. I was dissappointed with the keynote. He gave the impression that he was plugging holes at the last minute. I am sure there is a lot more cool stuff to come. Otherwise Apple is in deep trouble. All the hype to have only two computers that really aren't much of a revolution- there needs to be more.

You might be right about "plugging holes" if some other product couldn't be demonstrated in time...

But to say that "Apple's in deep trouble" is pure BS. It's shares have never been higher, and all analysts agreed that it was a GREAT keynote for the beginning of the year. What matters is that Apple is well ahead schedule for the Intel transition, and already introduced TWO winner products which no other PC can compete with...the iMac and the MacBook.

Obviously there has to be a change in the 12" and 17" lines as well, along with some blablabla-media center thing...but Apple did a wise move to satisfy some of our most urgent desires, a lightning-fast notebook with all the perks...Apple is on the right track, believe me.

[BRLawyer]

Good point. I think he was on iLife for almost a whole hour, going into every minutiae of each app. Considering most of them have merely been tweaked this seemed totally unnecessary to me at the time (as well as infuriating!).

For that reason this rumor seems plausible.

No, that was NOT the case; if it were, Jobs would have spent some time for the iWork presentation as well, in which he skipped all main features.

iLife IS an important component of Apple's strategy, and iLife '06 was a major overhaul, believe it or not, especially now that it's integrated into .Mac even more.

[netmonkey]

This is by far the most rumory MacRumor I've read so far...

Perhaps it's an iPod with a core duo chip!!1

[lizard79]

What's slightly ironic is Steve is waiting on Intel due to supply issues. I know these are new chips and all, but really. Even Intel, the chip supplier, the big kahuna, is unable to quench lowly Apple's appetite for high preformance yet cool running processors.



I think this rumor is absolutly true - intel has supply issues cause every notebook producer wants this new dualcores in their notebooks - so it's not apple alone wanting this chip. furthermore it's produced in 65nm technic - also new stuff and they have to ramp up production - but as they are a really big fish they won't have mayor difficulties in doing this.

look at this article to see also other notebook producers have supply issues with the dual core... http://www.anandtech.com/mobile/showdoc.aspx?i=2663&p=14

[kaneda]

plasma tv rumor..and this much cooler rumor are very similar stories....must be the same guy...

[Huin]

I think the new MacBooks are somewhat dissapointing really...

I bet that there is someone out there who was tired waiting for the Intel books and opened his G4 PB... put in a Dual Core Intel processor and while he was at it an infrared sensor for his hacked version of FrontRow I can hear him think:

"Well... it's a bit sloppy and it looks somewhat cheap, but I can honestly say I got the first Intel PowerBook..."

Only to find out that the just released MacBooks are identical to his... exept they have a dull name, an iSight non of the pro users were asking for and less pixels in height on the screen! So now all of the sudden he has created a cooler PowerBook than Apple's awardwinning designteam came up with!

What I mean is that the new MacBook look like they had a few cases lying around, shaved a mm off to say "It's a hair thinnes..." drilled in some holes, looked at the monster and thought; "My goodness, we've really outdone ourselves this time! The design is flawless!"

That comebined with the statement from the newest "secret source" to not buy the MacBook makes me think they really wanted to hurry so that they could show what a fast computer they've build.
I can't believe that it took the PowerBook designteam 3 years to come up with exactly the same design as the PB G4... except uglier!

I hope better times will be here soon.
p.s. the insulting, ridiculous new ad, that was thriving purely on te good looks of the image appears to be copied exactly from some bands music video.
Seems like Redmond doesn't have to start it's copiers... Cupertino allready did!

[jacobj]

I do not necessarily believe this rumour but I have been feeling a little uncomfortable with my rushed order. This is just one more thing that makes me think I should be a little more patient. I have therefore cancelled my order :eek:

[Gus]

I think perhaps the wording on the blog was misleading- I wouldn't think Intel had a shortage of Core Duo chips, but perhaps the kind (EFI) for Apple, or better yet, perhaps just some delay in the design of the smaller and bigger boards (for the 12 and 17-inch models).

<sarcasm>Or, it could just be that Intel wants Apple to feel like business as usual and is holding out on them. You know, the transition is tough, they want them to feel comfortable working with a chip supplier who can't meet demand.</sarcasm>

Regards,
Gus

[iEdd]

Oi, epepper9.
Did you read about the lawsuit in PC World a couple of months ago?
(Only if you live in Australia)
No, sorry I don't read PC World. With google, is the quoted article from June the one you are talking about?
June: AMD sues Intel for antitrust violations. AMD filed an antitrust lawsuit and launched a spirited public-relations campaign against Intel, accusing the larger company of authoring contracts with PC vendors that tied the selective distribution of rebates on processor purchases to quotas on purchases of AMD's chips. Intel has forcefully denied those charges, and promises a fight in a Delaware courtroom that could come as early as the end of next year and involve PC industry luminaries such as Michael Dell, Fiorina, and Gateway Inc. founder Ted Waitt.

[LimeiBook86]

Click the button.

Stop waiting, just click the button. This guy reckon's Intel can't deliver enough chips? INTEL?!?! These guys aren't small fish, they're the biggest bloody shark in the ocean, even their scrap chips would be more than enough to supply the whole year's supply of Macs.

I think there was going to be more stuff but it was going to be more consumer electronics.

Click the button man, just click the button.
I guess I should...now I just gotta wait for Mom and Dad to decide the best way to pay. At least I'll be very happy with the iMac, sure beats this 867mhz PowerBook ;) Intel here I come!! :D

[Merom MacBook]

The name doesn't bother me so much, although PowerBook was probably better. I had placed an order for a MacBook Pro 1.83, but after doing a lot of reading and comparison shopping, I canceled it. I don't think it is unreasonable to want the same specs as the PBG4, primarily the SD. It should have been 8X at least, and DL would be nice, but at least 8X.

Also, I decided I don't want a built-in iSight. I would much rather have the pixels. Competing DuoCore PC notebooks look to have the same camera in them, but it pans, too.

Basically, I have all the same concerns as many others.

So now I am waiting for a Merom MacBook. The new MacBook Pros are great, but not quite for me for $2499.

[Huin]

So now I am waiting for a Merom MacBook. The new MacBook Pros are great, but not quite for me for $2499.

That the bad thing on living in The Netherlands... the thing costs €2700,- euro's here... well over $3000,-!

[redshield3]

For all of you so turned on by the possibility of plasma displays, I hope to God you are wrong. Plasma technology is old and busted. Plasma technology truly sucks and I shudder to think that Apple might put their moniker on such an inferior product.

Think Celeron's in your coveted "*Books". The horror... <img src="Marlon Brando.jpeg">

/not really supposed to be HTML
//if you can keep your head when all about you...

[Merom MacBook]

That the bad thing on living in The Netherlands... the thing costs €2700,- euro's here... well over $3000,-!

Damn....I bet it was really bad 10 years ago when top of the line Apple was $3999 USD.

[ART5000]

on the limited duos

why is it that Apple has chips that are below 2.0 and other compnaines like acer have the 2.1 chips? could someone comment on this:confused:

[spakle]

1. There will be NO tablet PC's from Apple. They only sell in small quantity to the business world (where Apple definitely doesn't hava a presence). Again, tablets just don't sell.

2. There will be NO plasma/large lcd screens. Currently the competition is fierce and profit margins are low. I'll wager that Dell is out of the plasma biz by next year or shortly after. Also, to have a computer inside makes zero sense for two reasons.
Unless you're single, trying to watch tv and use the computer screen at the same time with other people there won't happen.
It would make the price of a already expensive TV be way too much. If you were Apple, would you rather sell a few thousand TV's or a few million boxes that connect to a TV (crt, lcd, plasma)? The rumor came from Powerpage. Have they ever got a rumor right? I don't think they have.


Hopefully that will put those two rumors to rest.

Now, back to the article. Something about the new PowerBook isn't right.
MacBook is such a horrible name. I'd like to see the results from the focus group on this one.
Steve didn't show the damn thing at the show!
Specs aren't even complete...no battery time. How can you sell..excuse me...how can you buy one without knowing the specs?
The web page for the MacBook is a mess. Hard to read, no real images.


Something happened where the laptop was added too soon. I really hope tis little story is correct and we see some major improvements to the new intel laptop lineup.

Peace

[adamberti]

I think there will be more announcements regardless of this rumour. If I recall correctly, Apple had announcements the next 3 or 4 weeks after MWSF 05. Each tuesday they made more announcements, to keep the media attention. It worked well last year, why not use it this year? It makes sense to spread out all the good stuff, otherwise some of it gets overlooked.

[Chundles]

That the bad thing on living in The Netherlands... the thing costs €2700,- euro's here... well over $3000,-!

Yup, we're getting hit pretty hard here too.

1.67GHz MacBook Pro = AUD$3199 = US$2401.50 = €2030
1.83GHz MacBook Pro = AUD$3999 = US$3002.50 = €2537

These are the same prices as the 15" and 17" PowerBooks respectively.

[spakle]

<sarcasm>Or, it could just be that Intel wants Apple to feel like business as usual and is holding out on them. You know, the transition is tough, they want them to feel comfortable working with a chip supplier who can't meet demand.</sarcasm>Best post of the new year!

[d.f]

all speculation:

The keynote didn't seem as polished as they normally are (could have had to do some late changes)

Apple switching to Intel wasn't given as much airtime as either iPods sucsess or iLife.

Steve said if you wanted to buy the MacBook "get your orders in early"

the strange ommision of real world battery life has been put down to it being too early to be exact. this tells us they are not mass producing these yet. i genuinley think these things will ship a lot closer to early March. All the PC's announced at CES were giving very vauge ship dates. none as early as Apple is claiming.

although they have updated the laptops at different times (didn't the 12" and 17" get some goodies in one revision, while the 15" waited..? or the other way round...) - this was due to supply issues. IF there is going to be a 17" and 12" MacBook, they would ideally have wanted to do the entire line to Intel at once. it would be a much clearer, positive move. RIP Powerbook, welcome Macbooks. despite the 15" probably being the best seller in the range, they know that the 12" and 17" are still very popular. this also points to possible short supply initially.

i know Intel is the daddy, but with many many big companies launching products with these chips all at the same time, it still a big task to keep up.

lastly, wasn't there some news stories about Apple seeking chips first, which was met with a "not possible", as Intel has to be fair to all it's customers. Any prefferential treatment Apple would result in instant legal action from the Dells, Acers, Sony's, etc. Maybe Intel told Apple they couldn't announce product x, as they hadn't given the other companies the chance to order there's yet....

who knows?

[BlueRevolution]

1. There will be NO tablet PC's from Apple. They only sell in small quantity to the business world (where Apple definitely doesn't hava a presence). Again, tablets just don't sell.

word.

Steve didn't show the damn thing at the show!

nope, Phil was in the audience with one, and they were set up outside for people to play with. what did you expect, spinning platform? they look exactly the same as the PB!

[Platform]

I have my mouse over the "Order" button on the new intel iMac and I read this.....come on Apple, don't do this to me! :( Now I have to wait I guess, I hate waiting...:mad:

Don't wait....I got the Rev C iMac and it is great even with Dual Core iMacs out 2 weeks later ;) Enjoy ;)

[MrCrowbar]

yea, right. New 12" and 17" MBP (MacBookPro) next Tuesday. Well, I'll certainly wait for the 12" (hope they will do that one, and not the 13,3" thing like in the rumors). I just want a lightweight thing with sufficient battery life that i can always carry around and impress ppl in airplanes (I think you can really show of, if you put one of the 12" on each knee ^^).

But as many of you, I don't really like the name of the new book. I hope Apple won'T adopt the standard "Pro and Home" naming like seen in other (dull) OS. Thus the new iBook would be the MacBookHome... thus only for use at home ^^. They should rather have called it Powebook Duo or MigthyBook (with this clitoris-thing in the middle of the mouse button ^^).

I don't think the combined TV-Cpmuter thing will appear soon by Apple for one main reason (someone already mentioned it): Computers are obsolete after 2-3 years. TVs dont. I'd rather see A decent big screen (though Plasma loses pretty much of its brightness after some time) with a connector for plugging in the DVD-HD-iTunes-Internet-thing. So you can upgrade better. On the other hand... the 5G iPod does video... lets power this thing up: you know, make the screen as big as the unit and put the click wheel on the back (cmon, you dont really have to look on the 4 labels there, do you?). So you have large screen iPods that you can plug on the Apple-TV-Dock or take it in your hand and use it as remote control (IR-Sensors ^^).

Just my 2 cents

[BlueRevolution]

The keynote didn't seem as polished as they normally are (could have had to do some late changes)

did you all really think that or are you just making that up now that this rumour is out? because I didn't notice anything unusual...

lastly, wasn't there some news stories about Apple seeking chips first, which was met with a "not possible", as Intel has to be fair to all it's customers. Any prefferential treatment Apple would result in instant legal action from the Dells, Acers, Sony's, etc. Maybe Intel told Apple they couldn't announce product x, as they hadn't given the other companies the chance to order there's yet....

more likely they want the announcements to come at roughly the same time from different manufacturers to avoid the appearance of favouritism.

this Intel thing, I tell you... it's brought nothing but trouble. well, and 4x faster PowerBooks... :D

[jacobj]

As I said in my previous post on this thread I rushed in and ordered a MacBook Pro, but I have cancelled it. The reasons being:


This post may well hold some truth
This is the first generation of Intel Duo processors and hardware bugs cannot be fixed as easily as software
for &#163;1500 I would expect the top of the range processor and not the $249 one
The graphics card is good but not great


Now normally I would not compare an Apple to an Acer, but the truth is that Acer are offering much more in terms of cost of production in the 8204WLMi (review (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1907007,00.asp))


$423 Processor over $249
120 GB HD as standard
Dual Layer DVD at 8x (4x is too slow for $2499)
4 USB Ports
Adjustable webcam


Apple's build quality is great and I'll pay a premium for that, but not that much of one. Let's hope this rumour is true.

[spakle]

nope, Phil was in the audience with one, and they were set up outside for people to play with. what did you expect, spinning platform? they look exactly the same as the PB! Sorry about that. Way tired but wanted to get some points across.

[iMeowbot]

I knew there was something missing. Viiv. Thats got to be it, something to do with Viiv.
According to Intel (http://hardware.silicon.com/desktops/0,39024645,39155515,00.htm), Apple aren't currently interested in Viiv. It's got to be that giant iPod.

[Stella]

What's slightly ironic is Steve is waiting on Intel due to supply issues. I know these are new chips and all, but really. Even Intel, the chip supplier, the big kahuna, is unable to quench lowly Apple's appetite for high preformance yet cool running processors.

Wasn't a big reason we switched to Intel because their massive production capacity was supposed to end these sort of shortfalls?

Its not just Apple that want these processors, its EVERY other pc manufacturer.

Personally I'm beginning to think the MacBook Pro was a interim machine to get over the PowerBook performance problems, quickly AND to be one of the first to announce Duo core machines.

I'm a 17" machines are on the way - why no 17" machine? Doesn't it seem strange no 17" inch?!! If the 15" can house the processor, then 17" must be no problem.

[devman]

Yup, we're getting hit pretty hard here too.

1.67GHz MacBook Pro = AUD$3199 = US$2401.50 = €2030
1.83GHz MacBook Pro = AUD$3999 = US$3002.50 = €2537

These are the same prices as the 15" and 17" PowerBooks respectively.

well for starters, the AUD prices you quoted include 10% tax and the USA prices do not include tax. Using the AUD ex GST price (2,908.18) gets you USD2,198.00 Then there is the small cost of running Apple Australia... (in fact, the whole issue is far complex than even this. Companies don't import and sell at floating FX rates. Your and my conversion are at today's published FX rate - who knows what rate Apple Australia is locked into and for how long).

[jimN]

With Core Duo chips though?... Perhaps...

This rumour makes sense. It's slightly ironic (only slightly) that Steve is once again waiting for the CPU maker.

Just remember that he is only waiting because he jumped in early and (if i recall the reports correctly) the duo core release was brought forward.

Maybe they wanted to announce a smaller pro model based on low power chips - however that would have had a new enclosure (i'm guessing) and nothing so far has suggested that they have those ready.

[Chundles]

well for starters, the AUD prices you quoted include 10% tax and the USA prices do not include tax. Using the AUD ex GST price (2,908.18) gets you USD2,198.00 Then there is the small cost of running Apple Australia... (in fact, the whole issue is far complex than even this. Companies don't import and sell at floating FX rates. Your and my conversion are at today's published FX rate - who knows what rate Apple Australia is locked into and for how long).

Yeah, but why would you quote the price without tax? You still have to pay it do you not? I know you guys have different taxes from house to house but here the tax is included in the price of everything. I'm simply quoting the price we all have to pay here. I can't make any more direct comparisons cause you guys don't list the full price of the systems.

And yeah, I know it costs money to run companies down here with small consumer bases. I do know how this works, all I was doing was a simple comparison. I could say that they are relatively cheap here because with my job as a waiter I could afford one in 2 months working full time (which I do not) but it would take much longer in the US because of your pitiful minimum wages for wait-staff.

[Stella]

Maybe we are all analyse Steve's words - but why would he say something like - "Not all of you will see me until April" - or words to those affect.

I don't believe he has ever said anything like that - hinting at some possible future event. He didn't even hint at this during the first of the two special events.

[BRLawyer]

word.



nope, Phil was in the audience with one, and they were set up outside for people to play with. what did you expect, spinning platform? they look exactly the same as the PB!

Ditto...it's amazing how people in MacRumors Forums are glued to these conspiracy theories...fact is:

- Steve Jobs was SICK, coughing a lot, and wasn't in the best shape to make a keynote, that's clear...that's why he was rushing a lot through features and slides...have you ever had a flu, people?

- People were CLAMORING for Intel speeds and a notebook launch...now that you have it, you complain...I really can't get it.

The iMac is now, BY FAR, the best AIO desktop on the planet, faster than any crappy PC and with all media/consumer features

The MacBookPro is, BY FAR, the fastest, nicest and most stable notebook on Earth (please don't come with Acer or those behemoths from Alienware)...FW800 has been dropped because it's DEAD and not necessary in terms of market demand (show me ONE branded PC laptop that has it). Modem is DEAD, too, or you may just buy a cheapo, small one at the Apple Store...S-Video out is available with a cheap adapter from Apple too, and DVI/VGA are already there. 60 PIXELS less?? Oh the horrors!!! You get a brighter display than any crappy PC out there and you complain now? Go figure.

You wanna a totally revamped line of Apple desktop and notebooks, with nonexistent Merom chips and liquid metal cases in January? You want a monster plasma display just because a user named "Rolo" posted it on AppleInsider? Keep dreaming, it's for free.

[BRLawyer]

Maybe we are all analyse Steve's words - but why would he say something like - "Not all of you will see me until April" - or words to those affect.

I don't believe he has ever said anything like that - hinting at some possible future event. He didn't even hint at this during the first of the two special events.

No, this is not the X Files...he just said that most of us will NOT see him before Apple's birthday, so he wanted to mention the date before people start complaining...that's all.

[robotx21]

I was just thinking...not sure if this was posted already or not...but what if the REAL reason it is MacBook is because they are going to release MacTablet. And, if apple is smart, the tablet will be a laptop as well. interesting...this will DEFINATELY be way cooler than just a MacBook.

[jacobj]

Ditto...it's amazing how people in MacRumors Forums are glued to these conspiracy theories...fact is:

- Steve Jobs was SICK, coughing a lot, and wasn't in the best shape to make a keynote, that's clear...that's why he was rushing a lot through features and slides...have you ever had a flu, people?

- People were CLAMORING for Intel speeds and a notebook launch...now that you have it, you complain...I really can't get it.

The iMac is now, BY FAR, the best AIO desktop on the planet, faster than any crappy PC and with all media/consumer features

The MacBookPro is, BY FAR, the fastest, nicest and most stable notebook on Earth (please don't come with Acer or those behemoths from Alienware)...FW800 has been dropped because it's DEAD and not necessary in terms of market demand (show me ONE branded PC laptop that has it). Modem is DEAD, too, or you may just buy a cheapo, small one at the Apple Store...S-Video out is available with a cheap adapter from Apple too, and DVI/VGA are already there. 60 PIXELS less?? Oh the horrors!!! You get a brighter display than any crappy PC out there and you complain now? Go figure.

You wanna a totally revamped line of Apple desktop and notebooks, with nonexistent Merom chips and liquid metal cases in January? You want a monster plasma display just because a user named "Rolo" posted it on AppleInsider? Keep dreaming, it's for free.


I agree with much that you say and you are close to right in terms of how good the Apple is. Because Acer make a product with features not in the MacBook Pro is not a reason to believe that the Apple is inferior. Products that people don't want are of no use and Apple generally does not do that.

But the doomsayer in me still says that Apple are testing the water with this. There whole line-up points that way. I want to see a full line-up and some feedback before I buy the machine that will be with me for the next 3 years.

[iEdd]

My prediction is there may be a laptop(Probably the iBook equiv), a mac mini and/or something else at WWDC. Then, in November (Paris expo or wherever) Powermac G5s, Xserves and another laptop comes out. (maybe that would be the time for the 12/13" and 17" Macbook pros.

[shadowmoses]

Personally i think we will see one brand new BIG announcement from apple at a special keynote event possibly within the next month the keynote will be short like the one's we saw for the Ipod Video and will come with short notice, I think people are right in saying Macworld was not what it was meant to be as it was evident something just didnt seem right on the hardware front....And poor Steve he was far from 100%

Im sure we will see Front Row + Dongle released for all mac's, a DVR like device and a new Intel iBook....

Something big is cooking

Shadow

[Fabio_gsilva]

I think it's the new Mini that was left behind... It was said everywere that a new mini was coming, and we saw nothing...

Let's wait and see...

[UberMac]

Has anybody noticed that on the Store page (UK, haven't checked US) the image of front row on the iMac (intel) has a completely different "movies" logo to normal? Perhaps a sign of updates to front row coming soon, or maybe a completely new version designed for the <ahem> "plasma mactv pro XTReEm*"...

I've put the original and the "new" one at the bottom for y'all to see.

*Asterisk denotes absurdity of idea...

[mdavey]

If apple had some "cool" product, they would have announced it. Intel has never had supply issues like what's implied in this article.

A couple of thoughts:

* It doesn't have to be "supply issues", just unavailability. Core Solos aren't available yet and Intel never said they would be. The low-power version of Yonah isn't available yet, either.

* It is interesting that the new MacBook Pro doesn't have the same screen as the 15" Powerbook, especially considering the quality problems Apple had with the new 15" powerbook screen. Why else change the Powerbook screen in late 2005 if not to reduce risks for MacBook? I'm sure that Apple intended to use the late 2005 powerbook screens for the MacBook Pro or MacBook also.

* Apple is clearly planning to do some special event to coincide with its 30th birthday

[stephenli]

strange......at lease a black shuffle sounds good....
maybe sth like....
MacBook Nano?

performance of intel core duo is good and far from expected, but same enclosue wouldn't rocks too much, at least to me.
may be, iMac G5 is too iconic....so that they continue to use it, at least for the first release of intel chips....

[windowuser82]

Steve said if you wanted to buy the MacBook "get your orders in early"


I also pointed this out yesterday in the new iMac thread. It seemed very strange the way he said it, and where it was placed in context with his previous comments; statements.

I'm placing bets on an Apple cell phone/pda type device and the rumored dvr mac mini (tho i'd rather not see the mini go in that direction)

"Mobile Me" trademark.....come on.

As far as Intel not being able to supply Apple; When Intel first releases a chip they don't make a great deal of them simply because the lack of doing so will breed more demand and more profit; give them a position to demand certain things and prices. It's not a "Tame Jobs" thing.

As far as the plasma crap, no way in hell. Be honest with yourself... They could not produce something that "common man" can afford at this point, which is the starting position needed behind the tv/pc "revolution" most are wanting.

[MrCrowbar]

omg MacBook makes sense if there are gonna be MacTablets. It just makes SENSE!
But i wonder where they would put an iSight on a tablet... no one wants to see your close up hand unless he got some fetish ^^

But just imagine a Palm-Thing made by apple. That would be something as cool as an iPod! And you could use it as an iPod with some sort of "TouchWheel" or "TipWheel" (Clickwheel simulated on the screen where you tip the finger instead of klicking). Then flip it 90° to have the large screen for videos. And with OSX you certainly would be able to actually work with these things too. Even widgets ma work since they are java and dont ea too much resources and some of these widgets can be very useful on a tabletMac (lets call it tMac).

And the best is: appe might actually do this. THey already have the knowhow making a portable device with some graphic horsepower and great user interface. It would even allow to put some phone functions in there (Clickwheel would work to dial in numbers like on the old wheel-phones, but you already have most numbers in the adress book, right). But for SMS-Typing, the wheel just won't do. A displayed keyboard would do. Or even iChat using UMTS for the video.

Now one thing I'd like the hardcore geek programmers to do: Fast user switching between OSX and other OS (Win, Linux). I understand it must be tricky to boot 2 different OS at the same time, but I'd really like to have that.

[stephenli]

Nice guy!!!!! I like your words!!!!
Peoples are long wishing a faster "powerbook" and now make it for you in its highest priority. Instead of waiting until June, Apple offers it 4 months ahead. Personally I hate the aluminium enclosure, but I think Apple have alreay done a good job. For those who are urgent, just 1-click and get your new "powerbook".

Acer?! Ferrari fans only, and don't forget to extend your warrantry...
but.....are you going to use Windows XP instead of Mac OS X?



The MacBookPro is, BY FAR, the fastest, nicest and most stable notebook on Earth (please don't come with Acer or those behemoths from Alienware)...FW800 has been dropped because it's DEAD and not necessary in terms of market demand (show me ONE branded PC laptop that has it). Modem is DEAD, too, or you may just buy a cheapo, small one at the Apple Store...S-Video out is available with a cheap adapter from Apple too, and DVI/VGA are already there. 60 PIXELS less?? Oh the horrors!!! You get a brighter display than any crappy PC out there and you complain now? Go figure.

[ACW]

I knew there had to be spmthing else. The annoucments werent all that exciting, you could even call it a speed bump. This post will annoy some people but we didnt really see anything THAT new, a new media centre mac mini would have been good.

[windowuser82]

The MacBookPro is, BY FAR, the fastest, nicest and most stable notebook on Earth (please don't come with Acer or those behemoths from Alienware)...FW800 has been dropped because it's DEAD and not necessary in terms of market demand (show me ONE branded PC laptop that has it). Modem is DEAD, too, or you may just buy a cheapo, small one at the Apple Store...S-Video out is available with a cheap adapter from Apple too, and DVI/VGA are already there. 60 PIXELS less?? Oh the horrors!!! You get a brighter display than any crappy PC out there and you complain now? Go figure.


I greatly dislike the Macbook (tho I, for one, like the name). It looks strange, the specs are somewhat strange (dunno why I think they are) and for something so fast, nice, and stable...no attention was paid to it. Sick or not, Jobs would have did everything minus humping the thing if it was THAT wonderful.

He didn't sell it and, again, as I said yesterday in the intel imac thread, if anything this was simply a "See we can do it" piece.

The only thing, in my opinon, it has going for it is the fact it's the first Intel powered laptop, other than that..... I feel it's a dud.

[reflex]

The iPod has replaced the Walkman...

The walkman was dead long before the iPod came out.

[illegalprelude]

Maybe 2006 is the year that Apple tries to one up Sony, and become the new consumer electronic giant over the next two years. The iPod has replaced the Walkman...

woo...I always love good laughs. thanks

[Merom MacBook]

I don't want a camera constantly looking at me. Please, Apple, offer us a ProBook with camera optional. The light comes on when the camera is on, but that's software, so it could be made to turn on without the light on. Spy(hard)ware? Someone mentioned it is only 60 pixels, but that is only height. Multiply it by 1440 width and you get 86,400 pixels missing for a stupid camera.

Longing for the next Apple Event already.

[iMeowbot]

I don't want a camera constantly looking at me. Please, Apple, offer us a ProBook with camera optional. The light comes on when the camera is on, but that's software, so it could be made to turn on without the light on.
The light-to-camera connection is hardware. Apple even have a patent application on this :D

[nomad01]

Has anybody noticed that on the Store page (UK, haven't checked US) the image of front row on the iMac (intel) has a completely different "movies" logo to normal? Perhaps a sign of updates to front row coming soon,

The icons Front Row uses are the ones used by the iLife apps so I'm guessing that the new iMovie has a different icon in iLife 06.

[skunkworks]

There is never a right time to buy a new mac, you will always be wanting the latest and greatest. Best thing is to buy what you need and be happy with it. Forget about the rumors. I can't see how you can go wrong purchasing a new mac since apple has settled on intel chips. It's dual processors man! The pc world is still selling singles.

[C00rDiNaT0r]

on the limited duos

why is it that Apple has chips that are below 2.0 and other compnaines like acer have the 2.1 chips? could someone comment on this:confused:

My guess is that Apple still has quite a large amount of PPC Macs in stock. If Apple pushes the specs so far up, who is going to help them clear out the remaining stock of the PPC Macs? Notice that they are still selling all the PPC Macs for the same price in the Apple store website.

Oh and by the way, I have not read up to the latest responses yet, so maybe someone else has already said the following: I think the product that they had ready was probably something with Merom inside, but intel would not exclusively let Apple have Merom chips so much earlier than the others. intel probably doesn't have the guts to upset the rest of the world just to please Apple. Maaaybe someday this will change, when Apple finally gets more market share than Dell and Sony combined in the PC market. :D

[BlueRevolution]

ok, "get your orders in early"? there are always backlogs when something new comes out. hence the advice.

and tablets are soo... 2002. neat idea, but handwriting recognition and the rest just aren't there. and imagine playing games on a computer with neither keyboard nor mouse.

MrCrowbar, you'll be able to do fast user switching between OSes as soon as Microsoft releases VPC 8 in universal binary (so in a year or two). then just have two user accounts, run VPC fullscreen on one and do your Mac stuff on the other.

or realize that in fact it's exactly the same whether you have Windows in a window (oh the irony) or in a seperate user account.

[Platform]

The icons Front Row uses are the ones used by the iLife apps so I'm guessing that the new iMovie has a different icon in iLife 06.

I don't think so...becasue in all the other places..Steves dock and other pics the iMove icon for 05 and 06 is the same ;)

[Abstract]

Yup, we're getting hit pretty hard here too.

1.67GHz MacBook Pro = AUD$3199 = US$2401.50 = €2030
1.83GHz MacBook Pro = AUD$3999 = US$3002.50 = €2537

These are the same prices as the 15" and 17" PowerBooks respectively.

In the US they add the sales tax on afterwards, making the pricing rather fair when compared to the tax charged in most American States.

[direzz]

im so frustrated. a day after the mac book bro was released.. this rumor comes up. im in dire want of a mac labtop and when i saw the mac book pro it was the perfect fit. now what?

[bammac]

im so frustrated. a day after the mac book bro was released.. this rumor comes up. im in dire want of a mac labtop and when i saw the mac book pro it was the perfect fit. now what?


Now what???

The tipster said virtually nothing, what's the point of remaining anonymous on the tip "Expect something cool soon from Apple"

We always do, so nothing new.

[Chundles]

im so frustrated. a day after the mac book bro was released.. this rumor comes up. im in dire want of a mac labtop and when i saw the mac book pro it was the perfect fit. now what?

Get the MacBook Pro. No question. You say it's perfect for you so get it. Honestly, when you buy technology it's obsolete as soon as you open the box. You may as well bite the bullet and get some use out of it rather than just sitting around not using a machine that may or may not exist.

[grahamtriggs]

Here in London, there are stores selling discounted Mac Minis... this only happens with Apple's consent, and almost always only occurs when there is an update due...

No Mac Minis were announced, but the signs for an imminent update are there...

[Fabio_gsilva]

For those who want a freaking fast notebook, buy the MacBook and be happy!!!

Like said by BRLawyer, it's the best Book ever launched. So, stop with bla bla bla and, if you have the money, if you joined that "powerbook G5 next tuesday", buy the MacBook for christ's sake.

People here are so used to complain everyday because "there were no powerbooks G5 and I want to buy one" that when Apple releases a great laptop they feel the need to complain again...

[rayz]

What's slightly ironic is Steve is waiting on Intel due to supply issues. I know these are new chips and all, but really. Even Intel, the chip supplier, the big kahuna, is unable to quench lowly Apple's appetite for high preformance yet cool running processors.

Wasn't a big reason we switched to Intel because their massive production capacity was supposed to end these sort of shortfalls?

Well, this is pretty common for Intel when they roll out a new chip. In fact, it's pretty common for just about every chip manufacturer; IBM, Motorola, Intel and AMD.

There are ALOT of PC builders who will be placing larger orders than Apple. and Intel will supply them depending on their importance, and the size of the order.

In a few weeks, everything will settle down.

[jacobj]

For those who want a freaking fast notebook, buy the MacBook and be happy!!!

Like said by BRLawyer, it's the best Book ever launched. So, stop with bla bla bla and, if you have the money, if you joined that "powerbook G5 next tuesday", buy the MacBook for christ's sake.

People here are so used to complain everyday because "there were no powerbooks G5 and I want to buy one" that when Apple releases a great laptop they feel the need to complain again...

If you were in the market for a new notebook would you buy the 1st release of wait for it to bed in?

[VanNess]

The thing that convinces me is the observation about the keynote address. He went on forever about iLife and iWork that really was a lot of crap. I was disappointed with the keynote. He gave the impression that he was plugging holes at the last minute. I am sure there is a lot more cool stuff to come. Otherwise Apple is in deep trouble. All the hype to have only two computers that really aren't much of a revolution- there needs to be more.

I agree with, well, part of that. Jobs always gives major attention to a new release of iLife. He went on forever about iLife 05 when it was released, and there weren't many thrilled Appleheads coming to his defense when he spent more than 20 mins just on Garageband with iLife 04.

What was kind of surprising was that iWork got almost nothing, attention-wise, this time around. That doesn't bode well for a new application suite just starting it's second semester.

Otherwise, I agree that it was a disappointing keynote this time. Not a word about Leopard, and it was prime time for more than several words since Microsoft just showed off Vista. Most will probably say that Leopard is best left to WWDC, as OS updates have been in the past, but this time around things are different. In the past, Microsoft didn't have a new OS to talk about, whereas this year (supposedly) they do. And I suspect Microsoft will make the most of first half of the year (and beyond) pimping Vista. Apple had the perfect opportunity to counter that with a world-wide audience fixated and ready to report on anything Jobs had to say, and he didn't say anything. I really hope they are paying attention and not gearing up to make the same mistakes they made when Windows 95 was released.

And a brand new iMac? Just after they released the last brand new iMac with major public fanfare only 2 months ago with a wink towards the fact that Christmas was coming up? Thats a pretty good way to start pissing your customers off. And that iMac wasn't much of an update, all things considered. A pretty meek speed bump, slightly redesigned thiner case, iSight (nothing new) and a couple of software tidbits thrown in (Front Row and Photo booth). Not exactly earth shattering.


The new Macbooks, although maybe a relief to deprived Powerbook fans, aren't all that dazzling. It looks like they basically swapped the PPC chip for the Intel chip, and, well, here you go. Nothing like the G5 when it came out. It was redesigned from the ground up, new architecture, motherboard, case, the works. They didn't just slap a G5 into an existing Powermac G4 box. And as Gruber noted on his blog, Powerbooks are still somewhat ominously present in the line-up. Kind of unusual, and it makes you wonder whether Rosetta is really up to the task, at least for the pro end. It just seems rushed, with little to zero in the way of new attention-getting technologies (the intel chip was expected) or anything particularly exciting.

The poor little Shuffle was shuffled out the door, maybe next year. No major announcement regarding new video content on iTunes, or any new technologies related to delivering movies or enhanced video. If you go by the what was happening at CES, it seems that's the direction virtually all the major players in technology are headed this year. Where's Apple?

Frankly, I thought the last several keynotes have been disappointing, all of them since last year's WWDC. The WWDC keynote was impressive, if not surprising. But Apple's foray into video with the iPod and the music store has, so far, been tepid at best, at least by Apple standards. It seems to be banking more on the recognition of Apple's name, the iPod phenom and the music store, and not so much on new, groundbreaking, innovative, head-turning technologies or amazing content deals. It will probably succeed well enough for now with the iPod association, but when somebody figures out how to do feature films over the internet right, it just might change things the way Apple did with music, the iPod, and the music store.

So, if it's true that Apple dumped a lot of stuff planned for Macworld...well, I actually hope that was the case.

[jacobj]

Any guesses when we'll hear something new

[BOOMBA]

Much Cooler sounds cool.
Can't wait.
(hopefully it doesn't just mean cooler temperature, like a centrino iBook or something...):D

[Chundles]

Much Cooler sounds cool.
Can't wait.
(hopefully it doesn't just mean cooler temperature, like a centrino iBook or something...):D

Centrino? You mean Celeron?

Centrino is a chip-set comprising the processor, embedded wireless, memory controller and stuff. Celeron is a crippled Pentium chip.

[VidGuy]

The MacBookPro is, BY FAR, the fastest, nicest and most stable notebook on Earth (please don't come with Acer or those behemoths from Alienware)...



Right....the "fastest BY FAR"? Sorry its a new world now. PC's may suck, and may be "behemoths", but we *will* be able to compare speeds. For instance, Dell is shipping a laptop with a 2 GHz Core Duo processor *right now*, so we know the MacBook isn't the fastest, even before it ships. Apple will have to sell on its OS and other features, size, etc. But don't make any speed claims. It will be interesting to see how the different OS's effect performance, however...

Also, most software on these MacBooks won't even be native x86...will there still be any speed increase when using Rosetta? A speed decrease? What can someone expect to see in the real world before new software is avaliable? I think I'll pass on the first gen of MacBooks.

Vid

[Chundles]

Any guesses when we'll hear something new

Wait, you say you're desperately awaiting a 15" Yonah Mac laptop and yet you have cancelled your order for a MacBook Pro which is a 15" Yonah Mac laptop??

That's just weird. If you want it, buy it. Don't pissfart about waiting for something that may or may not exist. I doubt they'll do anything to the MacBook Pro line soon - it has been a whole 2 days now, are we getting a bit too demanding for updates now or what?

[Plantman]

Of course there is more to come from Apple. In the UK I cannot believe the amount of news coverage they have had for a pretty tiny series of announcements!
Jobs probably majored on the iLife and iWork suite of software since he knew he would get this sort of coverage and he wants the world to see the Mac software and how easy it is to use. The additional macs were there to keep us happy. After all the share price showed stockholders were pleased with the announcements.
The sensible thing for Apple to do now is produce a series of mini releases just as stockholders and possible purchasers are beginning to get tired of the current offering and this will pick up media interest again and give a whole bundle of free advertising. Therefore expect the iPod shuffle to be revamped shortly (the 1GB is out of stock currently anyway!). A media centre, I think will come out later in the year ( and this has to be based on the mini- other screens are too small and it makes sense to use a small unobtrusive box) but around the summer time-autumn to pick up the holiday purchases.

The only questions I had was why was there a second imac on the podium? Was there a danger of reliability?

[Plantman]

http://www.macrumors.com/images/macrumorsthreadlogo.gif (http://www.macrumors.com)

Wired's Cult of Mac blog (http://wiredblogs.tripod.com/cultofmac/index.blog?entry_id=1385976) offers some uncharacteristic tidbits from a knowledgable friend who is only attributed as an "anonymous source".

This source claims that the Steve Jobs keynote that was delivered was not the actual keynote originally planned. As noted before, Steve Jobs prepares for weeks (http://technology.guardian.co.uk/weekly/story/0,16376,1677772,00.html) prior to the actual event.

Instead, the claim is that "some very, very cool stuff" was eliminated because of supply issues. The blame is laid on the Core Duo chips. When asked if the products were simply 12" and 17" MacBooks, the source claimed the unreleased products are "much cooler".

The reliability of this source is unknown so it should be taken with significant uncertainty. It is only posted on Page 1 due to prominence of the blog which will likely generate a significant amount of discussion.
Of course there is more to come from Apple. In the UK I cannot believe the amount of news coverage they have had for a pretty tiny series of announcements!
Jobs probably majored on the iLife and iWork suite of software since he knew he would get this sort of coverage and he wants the world to see the Mac software and how easy it is to use. The additional macs were there to keep us happy. After all the share price showed stockholders were pleased with the announcements.
The sensible thing for Apple to do now is produce a series of mini releases just as stockholders and possible purchasers are beginning to get tired of the current offering and this will pick up media interest again and give a whole bundle of free advertising. Therefore expect the iPod shuffle to be revamped shortly (the 1GB is out of stock currently anyway!). A media centre, I think will come out later in the year ( and this has to be based on the mini- other screens are too small and it makes sense to use a small unobtrusive box) but around the summer time-autumn to pick up the holiday purchases.

The only questions I had was why was there a second imac on the podium? Was there a danger of reliability?

[Manatee]

I'll bet it's some sort of music player to complete with iRiver, Sony, and Toshiba.

[Chundles]

I'll bet it's some sort of music player to complete with iRiver, Sony, and Toshiba.

Pfft. Yeah right!!

There's no money in this whole "digital portable music" thing. Nothing can beat a CD and a good discman....

[Chupa Chupa]

If that blog has any truth to it I wouldn't be thinking plasma tv..

From the blog :
"He also said that if he were me, he probably wouldn't order one of the new MacBook Pros."



discuss..


Yup. I was thinking the same thing. Sounds like maybe a tablet done right. I'd love something like that.

[Stella]

Are you forgetting those were *rumours*.

Until Apple confirms, its not going to happen!

I think it's the new Mini that was left behind... It was said everywere that a new mini was coming, and we saw nothing...

Let's wait and see...

[Trekkie]

I see all the Windows fanboys are out or all the Power PC 4-EVAH folks are out because there sure is a lot of negativity here.

I would think after many years of outlandish rumor predictions and crazy products that never came to be people would quit getting so disappointed/pissed off/whiney over some hot made up product that never came out.

My predictions are the iBook line will get Celeron Duo or whatever they'll name that as will the Mac Mini (much to the bitching and moaning of everyone here) with some front row features. I'd love to see

I'm going to hold out hope that PowerMac updates won't come until late in the year when the 2nd generation (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=28639) of the Xeon line's dual core processor gets here at that new power level instead of the really hot Xeon Dual core line that is out now. That would facillitate a new PowerMac (MacDesk Pro?) case design, otherwise they're gonna get louder and need more watercooling for about six to eight months if Woodcrest keeps its timeline.

I'm excited, I've been hovering over the buy button on an iMac Core Duo because of my Rev A getting slower as I continue to process photos on it.

Time will tell.

[spine]

IMHO - a mac mini for the living room, complete with remote and front row.
It'll be the "TIVO-killer" that will also incorporate an updated Airport, to work with your other mac. Perhaps an integrated iPod dock?

It makes sense that it would need its own red-curtain keynote.
Its enough of a departure to warrant a special event.

[JRM PowerPod]

Right....the "fastest BY FAR"? Sorry its a new world now. PC's may suck, and may be "behemoths", but we *will* be able to compare speeds. For instance, Dell is shipping a laptop with a 2 GHz Core Duo processor *right now*, so we know the MacBook isn't the fastest, even before it ships. Apple will have to sell on its OS and other features, size, etc. But don't make any speed claims. It will be interesting to see how the different OS's effect performance, however...

Also, most software on these MacBooks won't even be native x86...will there still be any speed increase when using Rosetta? A speed decrease? What can someone expect to see in the real world before new software is avaliable? I think I'll pass on the first gen of MacBooks.

Vid


Hey....um..... where is this mysterious DELL?

Coz i don't see one

[jacobj]

The only questions I had was why was there a second imac on the podium? Was there a danger of reliability?

Unless I am remembering falsely there are always 2 machines. Faith in your product is one thing, no contigency in a major even is just stupid.

[JRM PowerPod]

I GUESS THIS KILLS THE

'PowerBooks next Tuesday'

or does it bring a whole new meaing to it

[jacobj]

Hey....um..... where is this mysterious DELL?

Coz i don't see one

Ditto

[other]

I sold my iBook in August, to wait for an updated 12" PowerBook. They never came, and the updated 15" PowerBook was just not worth the money (especially when the screen issue became known). So I became angry and didn't know what to do, I didn't want to buy another iBook. Then I stopped caring and got a Nintendo DS to keep me busy.

Now that January came, I was quite excited again. "I hope they'll release a Yonah-based PowerBook, or iBook if they're any good." So I check MacRumors.com during they keynote, and I see they've released a "MacBook Pro". I became even more excited (even though I find the name ugly, but I'll probably get used to it soon), since there where a lot of rumors about an updated iBook. Then I see it's the same design when they put up pictures on Apple's website. "Oh well, I do like the design and the keyboard, it might be a good after all."

Then I start to read the specs. First thing I notice is no battery life is presented. I didn't really care, they'll probably just need to test it a little longer (why they would need to do that). I also read some posts which were upset about it not having FW800, but I don't care, I've never even used FW400, though it might be good to have when (if) I get an external harddrive. The PCMCIA-slot was replaced with an Expresscard slot. Seems good, "looking out for the future" as some of you like to put it. S-video is gone, might not be that big of a deal, but it's very cheap of Apple not to include an adapter. Really cheap. But the thing that I did care about, the SuperDrive, was now reduced to half the speed, and no longer supporting dual-layer, which made me seriously doubt if I wanted this computer. I know dual-layer discs are expensive right now, but that might change (aren't you all saying that Apple is looking out for the future?), and not being able to write faster than 4x seriously sucks. And I do have to agree with a lot of you who are saying it's lacking ports, it sure is. I would really like 4 USB ports (which isn't comparable to 127 USB ports, if that's what you think). Yes I can use a hub, but it's bothersome. It's not like there's no real estate on the MacBook Pro where you could put them.

So what do I do? I'll probably just wait even longer. I don't want to wait, but I don't need the computer either. I want it. Without it, I feel it's harder to communicate with people (checking webmail vs. having a mail client configured, having IM run constantly and not just when I'm at some random computer), and I also want to learn more about programming (having a computer to write code and test stuff on). I hate waiting, but at least Nintendo is making awesome stuff.

[Super Dave]

When was the last time a MacWorld Keynote was only an hour and a half?

He axed the iWork demo, and the iDVD demo for "the sake of time" and the thing was still only an hour and a half. His MacWorld Keynotes have been getting longer and longer, not shorter and shorter.

And he included what was clearly a last minute Aperture demo because of the announcement of LightRoom. And it was still only 1.5 hours.

But who knows?

David :cool:

[other]

Hey....um..... where is this mysterious DELL?

Coz i don't see one

http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/inspn_9400?c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd

[syklee26]

that probably is something other than notebooks....all notebooks are pretty much same as far as wow factor goes. 12 or 17 inch cannot be much cooler than 15 inch notebook.

if that rumor is true, maybe it could be

1. that plasma TV with built-in Intel chip, or
2. that boombox with built-in ipod dock

it could also be a major update to airport express.

by the way, why da heck are they still charging $200 for airport base?

[~Shard~]

Interesting article... Bring on the plasma displays, VIIV, Media Center Mac Minis and iPhone! :eek: ;) :cool:

[p0intblank]

I've told myself to no longer get hyped by the rumor sites and I am standing by that decision.

But I have to say... this does excite me! :D

[ihayden]

The icons Front Row uses are the ones used by the iLife apps so I'm guessing that the new iMovie has a different icon in iLife 06.

Um I just got iLife 06 today and the icon for iMovie is EXACTLY the SAME as before. That image is also on the US site as well. Hmm can't fugure that one out??? Has anyone seen front row running on the new iMacs? maybe it is already like that...

I really hope there is another announcemet soon.... then I can stay up all night again watching lol.

[iMeowbot]

http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/inspn_9400?c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd
"Preliminary Ship Date: 2/20/2006" with either processor, where's the one that's shipping now?

[javiercr]

Single core Intel iBooks.

Single core Intel Mac Minis with front row and probably not TV tuner.

17" PB Intel Core Duo.

I hope Apple never makes Plasma TVs.

[Sunrunner]

Wait, you say you're desperately awaiting a 15" Yonah Mac laptop and yet you have cancelled your order for a MacBook Pro which is a 15" Yonah Mac laptop??

That's just weird. If you want it, buy it. Don't pissfart about waiting for something that may or may not exist. I doubt they'll do anything to the MacBook Pro line soon - it has been a whole 2 days now, are we getting a bit too demanding for updates now or what?

Apple isnt going to be expanding the laptop line announcements for at least another 6 months, so go ahead and order now people. If you wait for an Apple upgrade you will always be waiting, because there is always *something* coming down the pipe. Amazon has them avaliable for preorder, just get one from them (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect?link_code=ur2&tag=intelopscom-20&camp=1789&creative=9325&path=external-search%3Fsearch-type=ss%26index=blended%26keyword=Macbook). ;)

[alexstein]

The article is vague in every aspect. However it confirms my thought that the MacBook Pro and the Intel iMac are just gap fillers for now.

...and I certainly hope that Apple has more exciting products up there sleeve... otherwise Apple is in a little trouble...

[BRLawyer]

Right....the "fastest BY FAR"? Sorry its a new world now. PC's may suck, and may be "behemoths", but we *will* be able to compare speeds. For instance, Dell is shipping a laptop with a 2 GHz Core Duo processor *right now*, so we know the MacBook isn't the fastest, even before it ships. Apple will have to sell on its OS and other features, size, etc. But don't make any speed claims. It will be interesting to see how the different OS's effect performance, however...

Also, most software on these MacBooks won't even be native x86...will there still be any speed increase when using Rosetta? A speed decrease? What can someone expect to see in the real world before new software is avaliable? I think I'll pass on the first gen of MacBooks.

Vid

Oh, gimme a break, please. You wanna compare now a 1.8 Duo running OS X with a 2 Duo running Winblows and its truckload of overhead behind (malware, virus, blabla)?

Most software IS native on the Macs, and ALL Apple Proapps will be ready before March. Adobe and MS are the only exceptions for now.

Even PBs G4 were faster than most PCs in daily tasks (except gaming and 3D); I sometimes have to work with a new Dell desktop and it's slow-going as molasses, especially for opening PDF and doing more than one thing at the same time...its multitasking SUCKS. And you wanna still compare Acer to Apple? No, thanks.

[Cooknn]

He also said that if he were me, he probably wouldn't order one of the new MacBook Pros.

I asked if there would be MacBook replacements for the 17-inch and 12-inch PowerBooks, but he said, "Oh, it's much cooler than that. Much cooler"If this source is credible - and I believe it is - the product(s) will quickly date the MacBook Pro's announced at MacWorld. That would not be a Plasma, or a Mini. Maybe a Tablet - but I don't see that either. It's hard to think that it would even be the 12.1-inch or 13.3-inch consumer oriented iBooks ThinkSecrect speculated on since those wouldn't really keep a pro user from buying the higher end MacBook. I can't figure out for the life of me, what this source is talking about. Well, I was waiting for a 12 or 13-inch notebook anyways, so it will be easy for me to wait and see :p

[ihayden]

The only questions I had was why was there a second imac on the podium? Was there a danger of reliability?

He has always had two machines on-stage. Once he had a crash and he had to move to the "back-up" machine. It is just-in-case.

[asphalt-proof]

Right....the "fastest BY FAR"? Sorry its a new world now. PC's may suck, and may be "behemoths", but we *will* be able to compare speeds. For instance, Dell is shipping a laptop with a 2 GHz Core Duo processor *right now*, so we know the MacBook isn't the fastest, even before it ships. Apple will have to sell on its OS and other features, size, etc. But don't make any speed claims. It will be interesting to see how the different OS's effect performance, however...

Also, most software on these MacBooks won't even be native x86...will there still be any speed increase when using Rosetta? A speed decrease? What can someone expect to see in the real world before new software is avaliable? I think I'll pass on the first gen of MacBooks.

Vid

You bring up an interesting point: No longer are speed comparisons going to be the hueristic. Now it will be "how well does the software utilize the power of the chip", "How stable is the software" etc. There paradigm is really shifting.

[Sunrunner]

He has always had two machines on-stage. Once he had a crash and he had to move to the "back-up" machine. It is just-in-case.

In fact there are always redundant backups for EVERYTHING at the keynote. Jobs is not going to be left hanging in the breeze a-la Gates if for some reason something goes haywire with a computer.

[Sunrunner]

You bring up an interesting point: No longer are speed comparisons going to be the hueristic. Now it will be "how well does the software utilize the power of the chip", "How stable is the software" etc. There paradigm is really shifting.


Exactly. Finally the Winblows pundits can take their speed arguments and shove them, because it will all become an OS-centric argument.

[ihayden]

Exactly. Finally the Winblows pundits can take their speed arguments and shove them, because it will all become an OS-centric argument.

HAHAHAHAHA OS X Rules!:D

[ihayden]

Well that's enough rumors I can take from the mill. I am going to sleep. PLEASE let there be a Stevenote soon! I want intel iBooks!

Nite:)

[bugfaceuk]

Having just returned from CES where I saw everyone doing media centers, I have to think that Apple MUST be doing this too and sometime soon. But methinks they're smart to wait and devote the available Duo chips to the new iMacs and Macbooks. The latter is the eventual incarnation of the "Powerbook G5" that everyone was waiting for. The demand will be huge. I've already ordered mine and I currently own a perfectly good 15" Powerbook 1.67GHz.

So this contains the key information for those saying "Apple are waiting for a chip supplier again!" or "Intel have never had these problems". Actually, they have. These chips are in massive demand, and it is zero suprize to hear that there may be "not-unlimited supplies" of them at this stage of their life-cycle.

I don't agree on the whole iLife thing btw, I enjoyed that section, it's cool stuff and deserved centre stage. What did stand out like a turd in the fruit bowl was iWork. So I'm sure it's jolly good, blah blah blah, but to show just one feature? 3d charts WITH TEXTURES!!! Um, OK. That slot, that is where something was removed from, and a few other things stretched out. So I guess there are 10 missing minutes somewhere.

My two cents, it's smart not doing everything cool all at once. Get a couple of machines out there, get some feedback. Give the early adopters something to adopt, then push push push.

I'm not sure what "much cooler" means, but for me it's not "another laptop" I mean they can be funky, but not "much cooler". Displays with integrated Macology could be it, Mintel Media Center Mini could be it... Not sure that either of those are stunningly cool though.

What would have been cool? Dual dual-core MacMacProMac's (ne PowerMac) in a very SFF would have done it. The only kind of cool laptop I can imagine is a MiniMacBook, something well into the ultra-portable space without comprimize (good sized screen, great battery life, and a DVD+-*/!?### writer/reader).

If I was Steve (and I'm just like Steve without the charisma, the ruthless devotion to purpose, or a turtle neck sweater), I would wait till April 1st to announce something cool anyway.

MiniMacNickNakPaddyWakMovie Pro anyone?

[esXXI]

Would make sense why Steve spent like 45 minutes just demo-ing iLife..

[d.f]

did you all really think that or are you just making that up now that this rumour is out? because I didn't notice anything unusual...



more likely they want the announcements to come at roughly the same time from different manufacturers to avoid the appearance of favouritism.

this Intel thing, I tell you... it's brought nothing but trouble. well, and 4x faster PowerBooks... :D

sorry. i realise my post was a little skeptical. i am a huge supporter of Apple. i wasn't jumpin gon the rumour, i've posted the same on the initial Keynote news thread (lack of 12" / 17" due to availibility, not demoing the machine).

anyway. looks like this is the year for rumour sites. lots and lots of potential rumours, discussion and heated debates. happy 2006!

[bugfaceuk]

Exactly. Finally the Winblows pundits can take their speed arguments and shove them, because it will all become an OS-centric argument.

Queue M$ spending a couple of million PROVING that Windows is faster/cheaper/more secure than anything else especially that crappy OS-X.

And no, they don't care that it "sure doesn't feel that way when I use my Mac", you are clearly wrong because just look at these very expensive statistics.

[jadekitty24]

A media computer is definitely in the works. Mark my words.

[bugfaceuk]

Would make sense why Steve spent like 45 minutes just demo-ing iLife..

Hum. Not sure that that was a bad thing. As a new-ish Mac user it was great to see what .Mac and iLife could do, personally that section made me feel much better about those apps, and consider a .Mac account to go with my Mac.

Steve may have been shooting for the double halo (i.e. bought a Mac because I like my 'pod, bought .Mac because I liked my Mac), and in that sense it worked.

[Chupa Chupa]

Queue M$ spending a couple of million PROVING that Windows is faster/cheaper/more secure than anything else especially that crappy OS-X.

Well to do that M$ would have to create a workable Sasser or MyDoom for the Mac. Don't recall Macs every being hit by widespread viruses, worms, or spyware. Heck, even Sony couldn't get spyware on the Mac. M$ has a challenge on their hands.

[jacobj]

http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/inspn_9400?c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd

still only the 1.83 though

[SiliconAddict]

Last minute upgrade of the PowerBook* to DL burners! ;)

[d_saum]

Im doubting that its more macbook stuff just because the source said "much much cooler". If its macbook related, anything to do with macbooks would really just be a lateral move. Smaller? bigger? single core? nothing so different to make it that much cooler.

I am still totally hoping for at least one of the following:

1. Mac mini with DVR (most likely)
2. Flat Screen 42' and 50' HDTV with mac built in (most unlikely, but I want!!!)
3. iPhone!!!! (both possible and plausible! please..pretty please with sugar on top???)

:p

And yes, that keynote did seem like it was a lot of filler. I think everyone was expecting both a laptop and a desktop intel that day so the "one more thing" was (as rockin as those macbook pro's are) somewhat of a let down. I was expecting a totally new product.

[dwbarcl]

MacBook Pro is not shipping until February, so why not announce the "so called delayed" item and just say they are shipping when ever.

Steve is smater than we think. He is probably the one that leaks all of the rumors anyway.

[Sunrunner]

MacBook Pro is not shipping until February, so why not announce the "so called delayed item and just say they are shipping when ever.

Steve is smater than we think. He is probably the one that leaks all of the rumors anyway.

They like to trickle the realeases to keep the buzz at a high level in the media... its all part of the marketing plan.

[C00rDiNaT0r]

For whoever that says the 2GHz Dell laptop is shipping now: 2GHz is a $200 option. Also, don't forget that MacBook Pro is a dual duo processor laptop. Does that Dell laptop have 2 duo processors inside? By taking out 1 processor, of course Dell can trim down cost of production and give a seemingly better deal than the MacBook Pro.

Neither laptops are shipping yet so right now it is hard to tell which 1 is better just by looking at the specs. Until we see the side by side benchmark comparisons and in-depth reviews that says the Dell laptop beats MacBook Pro in every aspect, I would not say the Dell laptop is a better deal.

Oh, One More Thing™, I believe the reason why the MacBook Pro has certain aspects that are "worse" than the Powerbook G4 is because Apple still wants to clear out the remaining stock of PowerBooks. There are always people who want a new laptop, and are willing to sacrifice some things (clock speed, iSight, Front Row, better graphic card) for other nice things you can find in the slightly older model. In this case, it would be the built-in 56k modem, S-video out, firewire 800 port, the extra 60 pixel in height for the screen, 8x SuperDrive with DVD DL support, PCMCIA card slot, and whatever else that I might have forgotten. To me this is all about business...

[EDIT] My mistake, MacBook Pro isn't dual duo like the PowerMac G5 Quad... But now that I think about it, how I wish it is true :cool:

[applestoapples]

I'm hoping there's no new iPod announcement. Lot's of pissed off middle and high schoolers begging their parents to replace the 60GB video iPod they just got for Hanu-Christma-Kwanzaa.

I'm thinking media center. Ooo, what about a black finish iMac media device kind of like what they've done with iPods?

[iflipper]

please make it a Mac mini! SJ did say "see you soon" at the end of the keynote, but I can't help but feel this is wishful think by people disappointed at the new offerings.

[Marlon_JBT]

screw "much cooler;" just give me my 12" macbook pro!
Same here! It's all I ask for. :) Seriously, it can't be that hard? :D

[Arcus]

Same here! It's all I ask for. :) Seriously, it can't be that hard? :D

No No!! I want a Mac Mini with DVR!! *shakes fist*

[helmsc]

Maybe it will be a PowerMac (or what the name will be) with a Blu-Ray burner :D

[devman]

Yeah, but why would you quote the price without tax? You still have to pay it do you not? I know you guys have different taxes from house to house but here the tax is included in the price of everything. I'm simply quoting the price we all have to pay here. I can't make any more direct comparisons cause you guys don't list the full price of the systems.

Huh? The USA prices are ex-tax 'cos tax varies from state to state. You seem to be saying you know that. So, you can't then compare a USA price that is ex-tax to an Australian price that you know is inc tax (and the Aus store even shows you the ex tax and inc tax figures).

[Cooknn]

...Also, don't forget that MacBook Pro is a dual duo processor laptop. Does that Dell laptop have 2 duo processors inside?No, and neither does Apple. It's one chip with two processors. From apple.com This is the first Mac notebook built upon the revolutionary new Intel Core Duo — which is actually two processors (up to 1.83GHz) engineered onto a single chip.

[KyleC]

Then again, the employee seemed to despise iPods. I notice a lot of Fry's employees peddling Creatives which they have displayed much better.


i have noticed this as well...i tell people to get ipods when i am in the mp3 area.

anyways i just want a 12 inch intel mac

[iJWC]

For whoever that says the 2GHz Dell is shipping now: 2GHz is a $200 option. Also, don't forget that MacBook Pro is a dual duo processor laptop. Does that Dell laptop have 2 duo processors inside? .

I think you're mistaken. The processor is dual core on a single chip. Not (2) dual core chips. And the Dell and MacBook both ship in Feb.

[nomad01]

I don't think so...becasue in all the other places..Steves dock and other pics the iMove icon for 05 and 06 is the same ;)

Hmmm... so I see. :)

Maybe the icons are different because Frontrow is linked to iTunes and iPhoto in so much as Frontrow accesses what is in your iTunes and iPhoto library (doesn't it?) whereas the DVD and Video capability is not tied in to iDVD and iMovie?

Could just be an innocent tweak to the Frontrow UI I suppose.

[BOOMBA]

Centrino? You mean Celeron?

Centrino is a chip-set comprising the processor, embedded wireless, memory controller and stuff. Celeron is a crippled Pentium chip.

yes, i probably DO mean that.

thanks

:p

[kretzy]

Or like others have said, maybe a tablet based unit? If nothing else, I am betting that 2006 offers more product announcements than we have seen in a very long time....

And this is why 2007 will be THE time to buy.

[ibook30]

Waiting For new "New TV Tuesday"

[mandis]

How about a Mighty Mouse BT??

Or higher resolution 20" Apple Cinema Displays? (maybe HD?)

Or how about a new 15.4 macbook pro with FW800 and external SATA instead of the damn iSight and IR remote??

[macomrade]

So i think there is no way this is true. It's always some supplier that's at fault for something like this. If apple had some "cool" product, they would have announced it. Intel has never had supply issues like what's implied in this article.

Apple would have only announced such "cool" products when they were fully completed and ready for market. Sounds like Apple may still be at the drawing board, nearing completion in a few products that have not been disclosed. I feel the MacBook Pro is a rushed to market product, it has left a lot of questions on the table in terms of battery life, absence of FW800, dual layer SuperDrive, and S-Video out. Why the case has not been altered in any way, and what are the comparisons bettween the 2 models? And why has the price not been lowered considering the older G4-based system has much more to offer in terms of features?

I feel Apple is going to release a revision to the MacBook Pro very soon, if not immediatlly. When you compare features from that of the PowerBook G4 15", the older has more to offer and yes, it is slower, but what is speed when you have less hardware for which to use it with?

[C00rDiNaT0r]

I think you're mistaken. The processor is dual core on a single chip. Not (2) dual core chips. And the Dell and MacBook both ship in Feb.

Oh... I guess I heard it wrong when I was watching the MWSF webcast. My mistake. But yea, maybe that's just way too cool to be true... :(

[macwinuser]

Come on people. I can't believe some off the threads I am reading. Plasma TV's I don't think so. Won't buy a computer now because of what an unidentified source has posted. This is the year for the notebooks, imac and mini to transition to Intel chips. Yes I believe this first release was just minimal. I believe their could have been supply issues; it is a brand new chip. It has been historical that it even takes Intel some time to mass produce chips. I would say in the next month or so you may see some other products have the Intel Duo Core chip in them ie ibook, mac mini and revised/update macbook pro's (15",17").
The only product that I think they may annouce that is totally new is a tablet. All I can say that if what they offer now meets your needs and your budget, go ahead with your purchase; they are always going to have something new come out in the next week, month and year; it is enevitable. I think what Apple is doing is great. They are really pushing the pencil towards innovation in the computing industry. Both Macintosh and Window users will benefit. That's my two cents worth.

[Tomaz]

Anyone seen this: http://global.acer.com/products/notebook/tm8200.htm

There's a comparison of the new Acer Travelmate 8200 and the new MacBook Pro on this site (scroll down):
http://www.tnl.net/blog/entry/MacBook_Pro_Comparison_Charts

Now, whatever Apple still has in it's sleeves, it better beat the 8200. Because most probably, the 8200 is the fastest notebook ever, not the MacBook Pro. And it has much more connections (4x USB2...). And it's even much cheaper than the 1.87GHz MacBook Pro.
Come on Apple, give us the fastest possible for a reasonable price !!!! The times are over when we were able to say "But a G5 at 2GHz beats a P4 at 3.2GHz...". Now PCs and Macs can be compared directly. No more excuses...

[iBeard]

All I've been reading since MWSF is people bitching about the new Intel MacBooks that they needed so bad a week ago. All the people that won't shut up about the name change would have been upset even if they were still called Powerbooks. They would say something like, "the geniuses at Apple couldn't even think of a new name for their Intel laptops, how lame....." And if they would have changed the design everyone would have been outraged: "Why did they mess with such a great design??!?!?!?!" "The old design is SO much better, why'd they change it" "new pBooks = teh suck!*" etc, etc... Just be happy with what we got.


*that one was added just for fun.

[AidenShaw]

The MacBookPro is, BY FAR, the fastest, nicest and most stable notebook on Earth.
Fastest? Faster than the 2GHz Dell Inspiron 9400 (http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/inspn_9400?c=us&cs=555&l=en&s=biz)? How does Apple do that?

Nicest? I think the 3.5 lb Core Duo Thinkpad X60 (http://www-131.ibm.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=4611686018425143607&storeId=10000001&langId=-1&categoryId=2059153&dualCurrId=1000073&catalogId=-840) is pretty sweet - the MBP is kind of a behemoth compared to that.
http://www-131.ibm.com/content/product_images/en_US/IMG2305_MKT_IMG_FILENAME_1.gif

Most stable? It isn't even available yet! How can you have statistics on failure and crash rates. It could be a hopeless piece of crap, for all you know. (Rev A, that kind of stuff...)



Mr. Lawyer, you are very long on opinion but short on facts.

[Tomaz]

Fastest? Faster than the 2GHz Dell Inspiron 9400 (http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/inspn_9400?c=us&cs=555&l=en&s=biz)? How does Apple do that?

The Acer Travelmate 8200 runs even at 2.16GHz...

[pmd]

Yup, we're getting hit pretty hard here too.

1.67GHz MacBook Pro = AUD$3199 = US$2401.50 = €2030
1.83GHz MacBook Pro = AUD$3999 = US$3002.50 = €2537



They're still cheaper than they are here in the UK: AUD$3199 = GBP1365. The 1.67GHz model would cost me GBP1429 (GBP1216 + GBP213 VAT) if I bought it in the UK. We're paying 17.5% in tax, you're only paying 10%. Your price without tax is more than ours, so Apple Australia are ripping you off, and our government is ripping us off ;)

My gf is Australian and is heading back there next week for a short while. Unfortunately the MacBook won't be available until after she gets back here otherwise she could get me one and then claim the GST back saving me nearly GBP200!

Paul

[chemtw]

did you see that 60 minutes report about the new sony ceo. They basically said that Apple already one upped sony.

Maybe 2006 is the year that Apple tries to one up Sony, and become the new consumer electronic giant over the next two years. The iPod has replaced the Walkman...

[Cinch]

The only product that I think they may annouce that is totally new is a tablet. All I can say that if what they offer now meets your needs and your budget, go ahead with your purchase; they are always going to have something new come out in the next week, month and year; it is enevitable. I think what Apple is doing is great. They are really pushing the pencil towards innovation in the computing industry. Both Macintosh and Window users will benefit. That's my two cents worth.

ah yes, the mythical Mac Tablet. What is it exactly that a small minority of people think a Tablet can do that say a 12" laptop can't? Hang on, I know. UPS (the Brown company) has probably the best tablet device the world! That thing rocks. It is extremely useful! Now only if I can play Solitaire on that thing:D .

Just teasing,

Cinch

[AidenShaw]

The Acer Travelmate 8200 runs even at 2.16GHz...
Mr. Lawyer said "(please don't come with Acer or those behemoths from Alienware)..." in his post, so I didn't.

But of course, the Acer would be faster than the Dell and much faster than the Apple.

[Tomaz]

Mr. Lawyer said "(please don't come with Acer or those behemoths from Alienware)..." in his post, so I didn't.

But of course, the Acer would be faster than the Dell and much faster than the Apple.


Who's Mr.Lawyer ?

edit: I read the whole thread and so this question becomes obsolete.

[VidGuy]

Oh, gimme a break, please. You wanna compare now a 1.8 Duo running OS X with a 2 Duo running Winblows and its truckload of overhead behind (malware, virus, blabla)?

Most software IS native on the Macs, and ALL Apple Proapps will be ready before March. Adobe and MS are the only exceptions for now.

Even PBs G4 were faster than most PCs in daily tasks (except gaming and 3D); I sometimes have to work with a new Dell desktop and it's slow-going as molasses, especially for opening PDF and doing more than one thing at the same time...its multitasking SUCKS. And you wanna still compare Acer to Apple? No, thanks.

Well, maybe you should have tried a computer running with an AMD chip (not a Dell)....

Seriously, though, my only point is that the speed questions have become much more transparent. Hardware and chipsets will be standard across the industry. One can no longer assert "we have the best, fastest coumputer, period" when every other PC maker is selling the same thing. We will be able to test if multi-tasking on Windows "sucks" or not, rather than resorting to bravado. OSX's ability to multi task will be scrutinized also.

BTW, Adobe and Office are the only things I really need my computer for, so I, personally, would wait to upgrade until those are avaliable (an exception being if my current system dies or becomes unusable). Faster systems (or even a totally a redesigned laptop) may be out by the time those products go native x86. At the very least I'd wait for Rosetta benchmarks to see how those applications do under emulation, so we replace the "4x faster" claim with real-world usage.

Vid

P.S. The Dell computer I mentioned earlier isn't shipping until Feb either, but it will have a faster chip (hey, I'm not looking to buy one, so I didn't study it that closely)

[aegisdesign]

on the limited duos

why is it that Apple has chips that are below 2.0 and other compnaines like acer have the 2.1 chips? could someone comment on this:confused:

Careful. I posed that question in another thread and got shouted down by the RDF squad.

I suspect however that they're saving it for the 17". And they better have FW800 on that or the Pros won't be happy.

The faster chips ARE in short supply. And Intel haven't released any slower or lower voltage chips yet to anyone. If Apple were doing something cool with the lower voltage chips, they couldn't just yet. Maybe they were betting on Intel delivering sufficient low voltage chips but they've not done so.

[mtrctyjoe]

Look... Apple is going to do everything possible to get music and video into peoples homes.. I can assure you the profit margin on an iTunes song and an episode of Lost is much greater then a laptop or an iMac. Since Apple loves to control Harware... the media center it is - in some format. Viiv/Intel, Mini rumors... it all makes sence.

[Yebot]

Anyone seen this: http://global.acer.com/products/notebook/tm8200.htm

There's a comparison of the new Acer Travelmate 8200 and the new MacBook Pro on this site (scroll down):
http://www.tnl.net/blog/entry/MacBook_Pro_Comparison_Charts

Now, whatever Apple still has in it's sleeves, it better beat the 8200. Because most probably, the 8200 is the fastest notebook ever, not the MacBook Pro. And it has much more connections (4x USB2...). And it's even much cheaper than the 1.87GHz MacBook Pro.
Come on Apple, give us the fastest possible for a reasonable price !!!! The times are over when we were able to say "But a G5 at 2GHz beats a P4 at 3.2GHz...". Now PCs and Macs can be compared directly. No more excuses...

That chart is lacking one critical feature comparison:

OS

[AtHomeBoy_2000]

One thing I found interesting was that his "One More Thing" was a MacBook Pro. They had already released an iMac with an Intel chip so it wasnt had to believe that another computer would get it soon if not that day. So, his "One More Thing" reall wasnt a big supprise like usual. My guess is their Big Supprise had to be delayed so they moved the MacBook Pro intot hat slot to keep up the tradition.

[nomad01]

Nicest? I think the 3.5 lb Core Duo Thinkpad X60 is pretty sweet - the MBP is kind of a behemoth compared to that.
http://www-131.ibm.com/content/product_images/en_US/IMG2305_MKT_IMG_FILENAME_1.gif

<snip>
Mr. Lawyer, you are very long on opinion but short on facts.

But the "nicest" argument is a matter of opinion rather than fact.

I've yet to see a ThinkPad that I'd describe as stylish. Then that depends on your idea of style I suppose.

[PretendPCuser]

If you don't believe me, i've got two words for ya....


<petergriffon>C'mon! heah? C'MON!!</petergriffon>

[Tomaz]

That chart is lacking one critical feature comparison:

OS

Sure, that's why any "reasonable" person would buy the Mac and not the Acer. But still, if I pay that much money, I would like also the hardware to be better than a PC, not just the software. Come on, just 2x USB2, not s-video out, no PC-card slot, just the small ExpressCard/34 slot, not cardreader, no biosensor like the Thinkpads...
There's nothing to go "WOW!" except the OS. That's not enough for that price, imho.

[VidGuy]

That chart is lacking one critical feature comparison:

OS


This, too, will be tested. OSX versus Windows on the same hardware. Native Windows Photoshop versus Rosetta Photoshop on OSX (and native Photoshop when avaliable). There will be lots of comparisions. Will be interesting to get past ungrounded claims! Soon we will know which is "faster". The only subjective questions will be the user experience and software. After controlling for everything else, we'll be able to put a dollar value on exactly what the "Apple experience" we all love is costing. That is the central problem with OSX on x86. Everything becomes a commodity like in the PC world.

Vid

P.S. As has been discussed here before, Linux seems to be more efficient than OS X in server applications which require lots of threads. These comparisons will be telling. See this test for the Linux study: http://www.anandtech.com/mac/showdoc.aspx?i=2520

[jouster]

Look... Apple is going to do everything possible to get music and video into peoples homes.. I can assure you the profit margin on an iTunes song and an episode of Lost is much greater then a laptop or an iMac.

Not according to Apple. They decribe ITMS sales as only just paying for themselves whereas it is generally accepted that Apple has the highest hardware margins in the industry - something north of 30%.

[ruud]

Watching the keynote, I couldn't help but notice that a disproportionate amount of time was spent on iLife and all its features and details. Now, maybe this is because I'm not really that interested in it, but I got the impression that at least part of this may have been filler material to compensate for something a little more substantial that was left out. I mean, it appeared to me that Jobs spent more time talking about iLife than about both intel Macs combined.

[TheMasin9]

The plasma tvs maybe?
I sure hope this is true. I was hoping the rumor was true before macworld, but i got let down. But if its the tuesday after macworld, i can handle that! woo hoo,

[BRLawyer]

Fastest? Faster than the 2GHz Dell Inspiron 9400 (http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/inspn_9400?c=us&cs=555&l=en&s=biz)? How does Apple do that?

Nicest? I think the 3.5 lb Core Duo Thinkpad X60 (http://www-131.ibm.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=4611686018425143607&storeId=10000001&langId=-1&categoryId=2059153&dualCurrId=1000073&catalogId=-840) is pretty sweet - the MBP is kind of a behemoth compared to that.
http://www-131.ibm.com/content/product_images/en_US/IMG2305_MKT_IMG_FILENAME_1.gif

Most stable? It isn't even available yet! How can you have statistics on failure and crash rates. It could be a hopeless piece of crap, for all you know. (Rev A, that kind of stuff...)



Mr. Lawyer, you are very long on opinion but short on facts.

Well AidenShaw, you may as well be considered the biggest Windows fanboy in this forum, so that's my duty to insist against this "whining" trend at MacRumors:

1 - I already answered that a Mac running on 1.8 and OS X is gonna be way faster than any POS PC on 2.0 running WinXP or Vista and its truckload of overhead mandatory software; and no, you're not gonna prove me wrong, because PB G4s are ALREADY faster than most PCs because of that. My new Dell at work, dude, tells me all. And the Dell you've just shown is not even shipping yet, having a $200 surcharge for your beloved 2GHz chip and a "preliminary" shipping date of 20/02 (or 02/20 for your twisted Americans);

2 - It's a peaceful conclusion that Apple notebooks are the nicest and most elegantly designed notes in the market; I am just repeating what most people say, not just me. Besides, my old iBook was the only one turning heads at the Uni...no Vaios, no Toshibas, no (stink)pads. Unless you prefer to support your favorite sports car brand, of course.

The ThinkPad you show above has much fewer features and is a joke, gimme a break; am I right, no optical drive? Docking bay??? You could've tried with a Vaio at least...

3 - Stability is mostly based on the OS, and you know OS X is light-years ahead of anything else, unless you drink Gates's kool-aid on vaporware Vista. Concerning building quality, Apple has steadily been the BEST in the market, and every consumer report of the last 3 years says that, in both desktops and laptops...

The lawyer here shows you facts, no fanboy babblings, sorry.

[Yvan256]

With Core Duo chips though?... Perhaps...

This rumour makes sense. It's slightly ironic (only slightly) that Steve is once again waiting for the CPU maker.

Even if that's the case, there's one major difference: everyone is waiting for that CPU maker, not only Apple.

The only thing that can unbalance things again would be a giant leap forward in the "power-per-watt" domain from AMD (and even then, some PC makers only put Intel CPUs in their machines, so Apple won't be left behind alone).

Besides, it's now funny to see MDG and Dell ads for "Intel Celeron" and "Intel Pentium 4" computers... They're so outdated. ;-)

[danielwsmithee]

Watching the keynote, I couldn't help but notice that a disproportionate amount of time was spent on iLife and all its features and details. Now, maybe this is because I'm not really that interested in it, but I got the impression that at least part of this may have been filler material to compensate for something a little more substantial that was left out. I mean, it appeared to me that Jobs spent more time talking about iLife than about both intel Macs combined.

I got that impression as well. Then I remembered last years was the same way when they were talking up all the new features in iLife'05. I think the difference was the expectations. We didn't expect very much out of last years keynote. This year we expected the world. Personally I was dieing in anticipation for the hardware announcements.

[Yvan256]

So i think there is no way this is true. It's always some supplier that's at fault for something like this. If apple had some "cool" product, they would have announced it. Intel has never had supply issues like what's implied in this article.

Maybe Intel doesn't have any problem with its Core Duo chips. However, Apple has asked for such a large number of units that they're still stockpiling it as we speak and couldn't launch a product because they don't have enough chips yet.

Or maybe Steve wants to unveil this "new very very cool product" on the birthday of Apple (April 1st)?

In any case, I want a "Mac mini Pro" (Core Duo and X1600/128MB). Maybe even make it higher and put a real 3.5" drive in there (I won't mind if it's twice as high... as long as it's not twice the price!). The price difference between a 100GB 2.5" drive and a 160GB 3.5" drive should offset a bit of the cost for the Core Duo and the X1600/128MB.

[Seasought]

It would make sense if Apple decides to release something "even better" at the 30th anniversary. Apple wanted to get word out that yes, they are now selling Macs with Intel chips (to sustain hype and confidence).

I think a 30th year anniversary warrants something amazing and something out of left field most won't see coming.

Perhaps it's just a way of extending the excitement of their new products. I watched the 2005 expo a few nights ago and I too agree that feels much more polished much more "proud" than the one that took place now (2006).

Onward with the Apple soap opera. :D

[QCassidy352]

http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/inspn_9400?c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd

the base processor here is 1.87 Ghz. And the screen is 17" but the same resolution as apple's 15".

You can customize the processor to 2 Ghz and the screen to a higher resolution, but that gets the price over $3000 before tax, and pushes the ship date to 2/20.

So it's not accurate to say that there's a Dell with a 2 Ghz duo core shipping now.

[andiwm2003]

the source said "new cool products", and "i wouldn't buy a MacBook pro now" and there was an old rumor about ultra slim notebooks.

that means to me a better (depending on what you thing is better) notebook will be released.

it could be the ultra slim notebooks with the Intel® Core™ Duo processor Low Voltage Mobile (FCBGA6) http://www.intel.com/intel/finance/pricelist/

if somebody wants a ultra slim notebook with long battery life then one should wait.
it would be not a mac book pro as the rumor stated.
it would be ultra cool. apples designers would see to that.
the processors are available.

my guess is a macbook lite:D

[Tomaz]

1 - I already answered that a Mac running on 1.8 and OS X is gonna be way faster than any POS PC on 2.0 running WinXP or Vista and its truckload of overhead mandatory software; and no, you're not gonna prove me wrong, because PB G4s are ALREADY faster than most PCs because of that. My new Dell at work, dude, tells me all. And the Dell you've just shown is not even shipping yet, having a $200 surcharge for your beloved 2GHz chip and a "preliminary" shipping date of 20/02 (or 02/20 for your twisted Americans);

The lawyer here shows you facts, no fanboy babblings, sorry.

Your first point still has to be proven to be a fact. I'm quite sure you're right. But until its been tested using the intel Macs, it's not a fact.

And even if the tests will show that 1.86Ghz Osx is faster than 2Ghz Windows, I would still expect Apple to produce the fastest and best possible hardware, and a 1.86GHz notebook simply is not the fastest possible hardware. That's a fact too.

[strange days]

Interesting article... Bring on the plasma displays, VIIV, Media Center Mac Minis and iPhone! :eek: ;) :cool:

exactly; plus the 12" and 17" MacBook Pro ! :D

...i'm only wondering if the STeeVo will call for a secret press conference again, or if they will just release them little by little every tuesday... :rolleyes:

[thirdwaver]

Having just returned from CES where I saw everyone doing media centers, I have to think that Apple MUST be doing this too and sometime soon. But methinks they're smart to wait and devote the available Duo chips to the new iMacs and Macbooks. The latter is the eventual incarnation of the "Powerbook G5" that everyone was waiting for. The demand will be huge. I've already ordered mine and I currently own a perfectly good 15" Powerbook 1.67GHz.

I'm not comfortable enough to speculate about what it could be. I will say that I was VERY disappointed that Apple didn't announce a TiVo killer. I'm anxious to get rid of my TiVo because of their lackluster support for the Mac platform after bait and switching me into buying the Home Media option.

I don't want to fan the flames of speculation but when I went to the Apple store to buy iLife the employee there asked me if I've been to MacWorld and I told him I just came back and was disappointed about the TiVo killer absence and he quickly smiled and said, "HAHA! Keep your fingers crossed. You never know!"

FLAMEPROOF SUIT: I'm well aware that it's highly unlikely that the Apple store employees would be aware of what we didn't see. Just think it's weird when added to this rumor.

Sean

[mrgreen4242]

My first thought was "oh, they're waiting on some single core yonah chips for iBooks and minis, duh" (which are not expected for a few months yet). But the more I got to thinking about it the more I thought that was wrong... here's the logic for me...

The Single Core 1.66ghz chip is $209 (in trays of 1000, probably less for Apple, with higher orders and special discounts). The dual 1.66 is $241 (same this applies, but figure the proportions stay about the same). $32 difference for (theoretically) double the power (realistically something like 50% more speed).

Why would Apple even bother? I'm sure they will, just to differenciate lines artificially, which brings us back to the sad old G4 days which I hoped intel would move us away from...

Personally, though, when you compare the prices for the various CPUs listed here: http://www.intel.com/intel/finance/pricelist/ I am amazed how cheap these dual core Yonahs are. Last year I swear I remember the 7447a (G4 chip in the mini) being about $200-220. Am I mistaken?

Seems like they should be able to keep about the same margins on the mini even with the 1.66 duo in it. Which also makes me wonder what kind of fabulous markup PC vendors (Apple included) are making on this first round of Duo equped laptops? Is the BIOS/Centrino platform making chips that expensive?

Also, something I was considering... is it possible that Apple has a deal with Intel to buy thier "cast-off" chips? When they make a chip that fails to meet the lowest spec the offer (1.66ghz in this case) they toss them into the recyvle bin, so I understand. Is it possible they are saving those that fail at 1.66 but pass at say ~1.4 for Apple to be used in some low priced machine (the mini)? The delay (a hold up in chips) could be while they get a 100,000 or so of these reject chips stored up for Apple... That could be pur fantasy, but this is a rumors site after all.

Eitherway, I'm holding out for a RevB sub-$1000 laptop with dual cores. I can wait. :)

[Seasought]

that means to me a better (depending on what you thing is better) notebook will be released.

it could be the ultra slim notebooks with the Intel® Core™ Duo processor Low Voltage Mobile (FCBGA6) http://www.intel.com/intel/finance/pricelist/

my guess is a macbook lite:D

I hope not for the sake of those who are ordering / have already ordered. I'd be rather upset if I heard of an even "better" (in whatever area is improved) notebook.

Sort of a "Crap, I was hoping for a thinner / cheaper notebook but I already ordered a MacBook!"

And the peasants revolt. :D

[eVolcre]

If it's NOT a new MacBook why did the source say that he probably wouldn't buy a Macbook at the moment? That's the portion that isn't adding up ...


Im doubting that its more macbook stuff just because the source said "much much cooler". If its macbook related, anything to do with macbooks would really just be a lateral move. Smaller? bigger? single core? nothing so different to make it that much cooler.

I am still totally hoping for at least one of the following:

1. Mac mini with DVR (most likely)
2. Flat Screen 42' and 50' HDTV with mac built in (most unlikely, but I want!!!)
3. iPhone!!!! (both possible and plausible! please..pretty please with sugar on top???)

:p

And yes, that keynote did seem like it was a lot of filler. I think everyone was expecting both a laptop and a desktop intel that day so the "one more thing" was (as rockin as those macbook pro's are) somewhat of a let down. I was expecting a totally new product.

[strange days]

Anyone seen this: http://global.acer.com/products/notebook/tm8200.htm

There's a comparison of the new Acer Travelmate 8200 and the new MacBook Pro on this site (scroll down):
http://www.tnl.net/blog/entry/MacBook_Pro_Comparison_Charts

Now, whatever Apple still has in it's sleeves, it better beat the 8200. Because most probably, the 8200 is the fastest notebook ever, not the MacBook Pro. And it has much more connections (4x USB2...). And it's even much cheaper than the 1.87GHz MacBook Pro.
Come on Apple, give us the fastest possible for a reasonable price !!!! The times are over when we were able to say "But a G5 at 2GHz beats a P4 at 3.2GHz...". Now PCs and Macs can be compared directly. No more excuses...

...and it's larger, and heavier, and uglier, and doesn't run OSX...

[Phase IV]

One thing I found interesting was that his "One More Thing" was a MacBook Pro. They had already released an iMac with an Intel chip so it wasnt had to believe that another computer would get it soon if not that day. So, his "One More Thing" reall wasnt a big supprise like usual. My guess is their Big Supprise had to be delayed so they moved the MacBook Pro intot hat slot to keep up the tradition.


I wholeheartedly second this!
It seemed strange not to demo the MacBook Pro onstage, but just have Phil hop up, demo the iSight and that was it. If the MacBook Pro replaced another item at the very last minute, that would explain the unfinished specs that some people here are complaining about.

Watching the keynote, I couldn't help but notice that a disproportionate amount of time was spent on iLife and all its features and details. Now, maybe this is because I'm not really that interested in it, but I got the impression that at least part of this may have been filler material to compensate for something a little more substantial that was left out. I mean, it appeared to me that Jobs spent more time talking about iLife than about both intel Macs combined.


However, I also believe that people are reading too much into Steve spending all this time on iLife. I think he did that not only to show off the app, but also to then later come back saying: "I did all this on an intel-based iMac!"

I am still hoping for a media-MacMini that will do for video what the iPod has done for audio.

[asphalt-proof]

Maybe Intel doesn't have any problem with its Core Duo chips. However, Apple has asked for such a large number of units that they're still stockpiling it as we speak and couldn't launch a product because they don't have enough chips yet.

Or maybe Steve wants to unveil this "new very very cool product" on the birthday of Apple (April 1st)?

In any case, I want a "Mac mini Pro" (Core Duo and X1600/128MB). Maybe even make it higher and put a real 3.5" drive in there (I won't mind if it's twice as high... as long as it's not twice the price!). The price difference between a 100GB 2.5" drive and a 160GB 3.5" drive should offset a bit of the cost for the Core Duo and the X1600/128MB.

Wouldn't it be hilarious if Apple really does release something so outrageous on their birthday that nobody believes it and writes it off as an eloborate prank?? Anybody? Anybody? Is this mike on?

[devman]

Nicest? I think the 3.5 lb Core Duo Thinkpad X60 (http://www-131.ibm.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=4611686018425143607&storeId=10000001&langId=-1&categoryId=2059153&dualCurrId=1000073&catalogId=-840) is pretty sweet - the MBP is kind of a behemoth compared to that.
http://www-131.ibm.com/content/product_images/en_US/IMG2305_MKT_IMG_FILENAME_1.gif


Aw come on, the X60 is a TWELVE INCH LAPTOP. Hardly fair comparing its weight to a 15" don't you think? The X60 is underspec'ed in virtually every area compared to the MBP.

[eVolcre]

Is this a possiilty?

The MacBook Pro doesn't really exist. It really was just a quick lab mockup of the G4. That lets them get something out the door and say that they have an Intel notebook. The shipping date is Febrauary - what if, work with me here for a second they release the REAL Macbook before Feb. People wouldn't complain since anyone who preordered gets the new version.


Wouldn't it be hilarious if Apple really does release something so outrageous on their birthday that nobody believes it and writes it off as an eloborate prank?? Anybody? Anybody? Is this mike on?

[toolhouse]

I was at the keynote and cheering loudly. I could feel my 2k shares climb as I watched. Steve's a smart marketer. He did what we've all been asking – focused on the Mac for the keynote. Video is coming soon. I expect a special event (Keynote 2) within the next 8 weeks for video that will blow our minds. Another mid-year for Steve's new phone and phone service, and Leopard in the fall. Speading the announcements keeps Apple in the news, let's the Apple team work effectively, and keeps my stock (purchased pre-split for $17) climbing!!!!

[Sunrunner]

I hope not for the sake of those who are ordering / have already ordered. I'd be rather upset if I heard of an even "better" (in whatever area is improved) notebook.

Sort of a "Crap, I was hoping for a thinner / cheaper notebook but I already ordered a MacBook!"

And the peasants revolt. :D


Announce the Pro hardware first and all the people who cant wait buy that... oldest trick in the computer marketing book. ;)

[bugfaceuk]

Well to do that M$ would have to create a workable Sasser or MyDoom for the Mac. Don't recall Macs every being hit by widespread viruses, worms, or spyware. Heck, even Sony couldn't get spyware on the Mac. M$ has a challenge on their hands.

Never underestimate the POWer of the dark-side

[Tomaz]

...and it's larger, and heavier, and uglier, and doesn't run OSX...

Same thickness though...

You know, I don't mean that the 8200 is nicer or better than the MacBook. I'm just disappointed that the first Mac Intel Notebook hardware specs are not really up there with the best of the best.
- Slower CPU
- just 2x USB2 (I have to use a USB2 PC-card with my PB all the time cause I need 3-4 USB devices at the same time)
- No s-video
- No dual-layer DVD burner (No DVD Ram)
- Smaller HD and less RAM

Just a bit disappointed... :(

[Seasought]

Announce the Pro hardware first and all the people who cant wait buy that... oldest trick in the computer marketing book. ;)

You're right.

Still, how evil! :D

[Sunrunner]

I was at the keynote and cheering loudly. I could feel my 2k shares climb as I watched. Steve's a smart marketer. He did what we've all been asking – focused on the Mac for the keynote. Video is coming soon. I expect a special event (Keynote 2) within the next 8 weeks for video that will blow our minds. Another mid-year for Steve's new phone and phone service, and Leopard in the fall. Speading the announcements keeps Apple in the news, let's the Apple team work effectively, and keeps my stock (purchased pre-split for $17) climbing!!!!


All you people who got Apple stock before the take-off officially suck!!!!

:p

[andiwm2003]

I hope not for the sake of those who are ordering / have already ordered. I'd be rather upset if I heard of an even "better" (in whatever area is improved) notebook.

Sort of a "Crap, I was hoping for a thinner / cheaper notebook but I already ordered a MacBook!"

And the peasants revolt. :D

not everybody wants a smaller notebook. there will be a trade off. no firewire, smaller keyboard, smaller less bright screen, slower processors, smaller slower hd, 1GB RAM max.

if you want a powerful notebook go with the mac book pro, if you want small wait for the "lite" version.

those who have already ordered but would prefer a smaller notebook, well, why didn't threy wait for what they really want?

[devman]

Waiting For new "New TV Tuesday"

ARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!

very funny post BTW, but damn I hope it's the only one.. :)

[AidenShaw]

Aw come on, the X60 is a TWELVE INCH LAPTOP. Hardly fair comparing its weight to a 15" don't you think? The X60 is underspec'ed in virtually every area compared to the MBP.
The main part of my point is that of course "nice" is subjective.

For people who want small and light - the MBP is not nice, it's a behemoth.

Some people want small and light - not CDs, not slots, not the fastest, not big screens - just small and light.

Maybe we should count the number of "I'll wait for the 12" MBP" posts in this forum... ;)

[jouster]

Is this a possiilty?

The MacBook Pro doesn't really exist. It really was just a quick lab mockup of the G4.

Yeah, the SEC tends to frown on public companies' CEOs making deliberate false statements at massive media events. To the extent that it puts 'em in jail if it can.

[asphalt-proof]

Wasn't it a couple of years ago where they ('they' being Apple) stated that they were trying to get away from announcing products at the big shows? Anyway, maybe this is the results. What better way to keep Apple in the news than to build hype for this conference. Then release the really cool stuff every month or so. Potentially we would see Apple stock making nice strides every month with the buzz generated by a 'new and exciting' product release. I admit that the keynote left me underwhelmed. I don't see anything very exciting about the new Macbook pro. The iMac, on the other hand, is pretty exciting. I would love to see it with a 23" screen though.

So, let the "new (insert hypothetic new release here) on Tuesday" thread games begin!!! I think that, if this is the case, the rumor sites are going to get a whole lot more interesting than they have been the last year of so.

[AidenShaw]

My new Dell at work, dude, tells me all.
I'm always amused when people make performance claims based on their home Apple vs. their PC at work.

Is the home Apple part of a domain? Does the home Apple access applications on file shares across a busy network?

Facts? :eek:

[eVolcre]

There's still a loophole though. Fine, announce the macbook and even make it available. Then announce the even better line in a month. People who want the orginal macbook can get it, people who have pre ordered but would prefer the new ones get a free upgrade. That would work


Yeah, the SEC tends to frown on public companies' CEOs making deliberate false statements at massive media events. To the extent that it puts 'em in jail if it can.

[swingerofbirch]

when the original bondi imac was announced, it was announced to have a 33.6 dial up modem, but there was so much clamoring about that, that by the time it shipped apple wisely decided to include a 56k modem

i give that as an example since others are questioning what apple might do to better the mac book

although, these mac books are probably already in production?

i agree with the other posters that apple is in strange form

[xejn]

First, the trouble with G4 chip supply from Moto.

Then, the chip supply trouble from IBM.

Now, Apple goes to Intel and IBM can crank out all the freakin' chips MS needs for the XBox, but Intel now has supply trouble? And why is it that we never hear of the Wintel box makers having chip supply trouble?

Is there something different about the "Core Duo" than the Pentium M Dual Core chips the other makers are getting? Does Apple just keep engineering themselves into trouble?

This "chip supply" seems to be chronic for Apple and follows them all over the place. This problem has also only happened in the Jobs era. I'm just saying, we have heard this story a few too many times, something does not jive.

FYI--this is not a slam, I still love Apple and still think Jobs is good CEO, and I have plans to get two new Mac in about 6-12 months (after things shake out) for me and the wife--it's just that the whole "chip supply" story is getting old.

[Sunrunner]

I'm always amused when people make performance claims based on their home Apple vs. their PC at work.

Is the home Apple part of a domain? Does the home Apple access applications on file shares across a busy network?

Facts? :eek:

Facts? How about the fact that the Apple would be significantly faster in that networked envionment as well... NEXT

[corywoolf]

With Core Duo chips though?... Perhaps...

This rumour makes sense. It's slightly ironic (only slightly) that Steve is once again waiting for the CPU maker.

No Plasmas! That is is about as likely as the ihome.

[swingerofbirch]

sorry for double posting but apple's intel ad really has me upset, and it seems just like apple to not be able to handle a healthy relationship and so they shoot it in the foot as soon as they get one, i just thought to myself what if intel had an ad:

"For years Apple has been hindered by overpriced slow little computers. But today Intel will set the Apple free."

[Peace]

Facts will not be available until ALL PC's with the dual-core are in the hands of consumers..

ANY argument in this forum is based on personal speculation whether its from the PC or Mac side..

If you dont like the Macbook dont buy it..

But please people STOP complaining about stuff that isnt even in the market yet.

[Bonte]

Click the button.

Stop waiting, just click the button. This guy reckon's Intel can't deliver enough chips? INTEL?!?! These guys aren't small fish, they're the biggest bloody shark in the ocean, even their scrap chips would be more than enough to supply the whole year's supply of Macs.

Looking at the anticipation for these models i guess Apple needs 2-4 million new processors this quarter alone (plus DULL, HP etc), adding another millionseller is maybe more than Intel can handle for these new chips. Maybe Apple is waiting for enough ViiV supplies?

I'l buy an iMac anyhow, its perfect for my needs. :cool: