Whats the deal with the personal attacks....

[medea]

For some reason I was attacked recently for pointing out to a newbie that he should check forums for already open threads before starting new ones and to make sure you watch which forums you put the threads in because he had started a new thread on a news I already posted, and then one of the mods moved his thread into my own. Fine I'd say, thats what is supposed to happen right, but instead Beatle888 goes off and I quote "he above is a post from medea. this guy is a fncking dork.....that was his reply to someone who posted about this tivo topic a couple of days after him.....what a fncking dork. get a life. what are you the fncking rumors Gestapo? fncking rumor nazi."
Jesus Christ what the hell did I ever do to this guy?:eek: :confused:

oh heres the link http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17354

[eyelikeart]

I wouldn't take it to heart too much...this type of thing happens around here from time to time. Just do your part to try & help explain things, and if someone gets out of line...report the thread... ;)

[rainman::|:|]

eye's right, but i have seen a lot more tension between people than usual it seems. a lot of people seem high-strung and quick to take offense. and there's one or two people that's only function around here seems to be to criticize people...

tho i'm guilty as well, i was kind of mean to a newbie myself one night, or at least much more abrupt than i should have been. i think it has to do with the CRT radiation infecting my brain... yeah, thats it... yet another reason to go flat panel :D

as my mom would say, sometimes everyone needs to take a chill pill ;)

pnw

[mac15]

Well, I really believe personal attacks can be sometimes fun....to an extent , it brings the boards to life on many occassions. But continually heckling this person is not on. I don't mind having the occassional dig at someone, I had one recently.

It tests your wits, you can either reply and be a smartass , or you can have nothing more to say and not reply.

[G4scott]

I always say, If you can't stand the heat, get out of the oven (or at least the kitchen) :cool:

But what beatle888 said was really rude, and uncalled for... He's probably just a 13 year old with nothing better to do. I just usually ignore those types of posts, unless they are really wrong, or are being complete jerks, and then I usually point out how immature they are, and how they need to get a life... I have also seen a bunch more newbies than ever before. Some seem alright, but some have been downright nasty...

[arn]

Hey...

Beatle was out of line. I emailed him a warning. Simply "report" these posts and they will be taken care of.

thanks,
arn

[King Cobra]

>(chris) Well, I really believe personal attacks can be sometimes fun....to an extent , it brings the boards to life on many occassions. But continually heckling this person is not on. I don't mind having the occassional dig at someone, I had one recently

Only personal attacks on nothing offensive are fine for me. I got involved in one with MacAztek last summer. The topic at hand was discussed for about 5 posts. Then it was humorous flamebit for the following 30+ posts. hitman would know about it. :D

So I agree to some extent, but flamebits really aren't cool on the forums. They may be more interesting than the political stuff on occassion, but other times they are not even halfway cool. Check out a few threads in the depository section (I mean, wasteland) for a few inconsiderate rants about the Expo...

I also agree with G4scott, for the most part. The only argument I have against his post is pointing out how immature a person is. Someone on the boards being attacked shouldn't respond with "get a life" or some sh** like that. Mearly defend against the person, point by point, with logic and not flamebits. If that doesn't work, report the post. Then someone on the boards with a higher responsibility, such a moderator or arn, may neet to boot the person off.

The best "flamebits" on the forums are ones that fire logic instead of flamebits, and I feel those are the only ones that really should be allowed on the forums. But, according to the forum agreement, that is really as far as one is allowed to go; don't post anything offensive.

Beatle's comment "fncking rumor nazi" really should result in his banning. If not, I feel he should have a strong administor warning stamped just below the hairline. But that is really up to arn to determine the punishment.

I don't mean to make such a long post, but some people just don't realize how to work around a situation, both offenders and defenders. I'll be honest that others and myself slip up sometimes, either emotionally or what have you, but I think Beatle's comment stretches pretty far.

Edit: I see arn has already performed that duty. :cool:

[wdlove]

That's the whole point for us to understand the other's point of view. Its just better to attack the comment rather than the person!

[MacBandit]

As long as we are using this thread to vent on member issues. Just take a look at Scem0. The guy has been on here long enough to know better but continues to spam threads with useless comments like a newbie. What's up with that? I admit that I have had my problems in the past and sometimes still go overboard but to do it constantly is another thing.

Hey Scem if you read this no insult intended. I'm just voicing an oppinion and we can discuss it if you choose.

[arn]

Not to open this up to open comments about specific people... but the key to remember is this:

if you don't report it, it didn't happen

Basically, I don't read nearly all the posts... so if something is bothering you... report it. Otherwise, you are saying it's ok.

arn

[G4scott]

Originally posted by arn
Not to open this up to open comments about specific people... but the key to remember is this:

if you don't report it, it didn't happen

Basically, I don't read nearly all the posts... so if something is bothering you... report it. Otherwise, you are saying it's ok.

arn

that post bothered me... :D :p ;) :cool:

[medea]

Thanks arn we will all remember that, but that's what this is though just venting, it just sort of seems like people have been getting more aggresive on the boards recently, maybe its all that post-expo stress.....

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by medea
Thanks arn we will all remember that, but that's what this is though just venting, it just sort of seems like people have been getting more aggresive on the boards recently, maybe its all that post-expo stress.....

Could also be the recent huge influx of recent newbie or newbie like activity.

[britboy]

Originally posted by medea
Thanks arn we will all remember that, but that's what this is though just venting, it just sort of seems like people have been getting more aggresive on the boards recently, maybe its all that post-expo stress.....


Perhaps your tar scared him, and his post was a knee-jerk reaction ;)

[wdlove]

Personal attacks are destructive and can be heartfelt!

[Sun Baked]

I'm missing out on this batch on newbies, none of them have attacked me this month.

I haven't had a chance to see any newbies go chaotic lately.

;)

[G4scott]

sticks and stones may break my bones, but words can hurt my inner child...

[King Cobra]

From what I've seen with attacks and offensive posts, the majority of flamers on the site, especially in the past 6 months or so, had between 200 and 500 posts when they made their comment. These guys aren't really that "new", since they have been on the site considerably and understand how the site (and its users) operate. I do feel, however, that the "newbies" and those with less than 200 posts may not feel too comfortable getting adjusted to the site, so they feel responsible for getting used to the site and adjusting themselves. I feel there aren't too many flamers with over 500 posts and haven't been recently on this site, because they are accepting a different responsibility. If they like MacRumors, they show their support by coming to the site and becoming recognized. So they have the responsibility as appearing as a "model" for the site.

I made a demonstration graph to show you what I mean.

[vniow]

Making Macrumors graphs of the amount of posts to amount of personal attacks?

You really need to get out more.http://img.ranchoweb.com/images/veronica/rolleyes.gifhttp://img.ranchoweb.com/images/veronica/grinning.gif

[mischief]

Whenever the Newbies get too obnoxious for their own good just e-mail me and I'll be happy to pull them into the olde Pie Arena for a little social re-engineering. ;)

I haven't whipped it out in a while cuz I don't go out to the front of the site much anymore.... too many of the same topics being gone over by newbies that refuse to research previous posts and threads.

I once thought that perhaps the Pie Arena thread should be given it's own Forum heading so we could Pie people rather than Flaming or reporting and give them a chance at humility before banning their asses.

[alex_ant]

Originally posted by mischief
I haven't whipped it out in a while cuz I don't go out to the front of the site much anymore....
You usually whip it out when you go to the front page of Macrumors? Do you really find the Macrumors logo that attractive? :)

[vniow]

Originally posted by alex_ant
Do you really find the Macrumors logo that attractive? :)


I know I do.

I mean, look at it, how can you not be turned on by this sexy image?

http://www.macrumors.com/images/smallmrlogo.gif

[mischief]

•WHAP!•

•SPLAT!•

Alex and Edvniow are struck by steaming hot Pork-and-Cheese pies!:D :D :eek: ;) :rolleyes:

[wdlove]

A very appropriate logo indeed! :)

[vniow]

Originally posted by mischief
•WHAP!•

•SPLAT!•

Alex and Edvniow are struck by steaming hot Pork-and-Cheese pies!:D :D :eek: ;) :rolleyes:


http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=199728

[Sun Baked]

What do you expect from a drunk penguin?

http://www.superford.org/registry/vehicles/users/793/1380/drunkpenguin.gif

[wdlove]

Originally posted by edvniow



http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=199728

edvniow, a very creative visual presentation of the quote! ;)

[mischief]

Bravo Edvniow! I was wondering who would do that first!

• Mischief bows, grins and leaps high out of frame landing with big red jack boots on Edvniow's shoulders, sticks the nozzle of a can of whip cream up each of the unsuspecting queen's nostrills and blows cream out his ears in a cartoonish display of flexible Forum Physics!•:D ;)

[wdlove]

Originally posted by mischief
Bravo Edvniow! I was wondering who would do that first!

• Mischief bows, grins and leaps high out of frame landing with big red jack boots on Edvniow's shoulders, sticks the nozzle of a can of whip cream up each of the unsuspecting queen's nostrills and blows cream out his ears in a cartoonish display of flexible Forum Physics!•:D ;)

I'm hoping someone will see her work and offer her a job! If I were in a position to do so, wouldn't give it a second thought! :)

[King Cobra]

Nice going mischief, innovator of the pie fights.

Now look what you've done! :p

[job]

Originally posted by King Cobra
Only personal attacks on nothing offensive are fine for me. I got involved in one with MacAztek last summer. The topic at hand was discussed for about 5 posts. Then it was humorous flamebit for the following 30+ posts. hitman would know about it. :D

heh.

yeah, those were the days...

endless spamming...yadda yadda yadda...

...

oh, almost forgot: "Your Mom!" :p ;) :D

[rainman::|:|]

a pie fight is starting and no one emailed me?! my god, i get no respect.

I've been working on a thermocreamenator device to pie entire sections of forums at once... unfortunately it isn't ready, tho once it is, expect Hiroshima: Banana Creme. In the meantime, several pies to vniow for changing her nickname to confuse me!!!

*SPLAT*

:D :D
pnw

[vniow]

Originally posted by paulwhannel
In the meantime, several pies to vniow for changing her nickname to confuse me!!!

*SPLAT*

:D :D
pnw


Alright, I guess I deserve that one.

PIE ME!

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by hitman


heh.

yeah, those were the days...

endless spamming...yadda yadda yadda...

...

oh, almost forgot: "Your Mom!" :p ;) :D

Thinking back there was nothing better then the endless spam of the Wal-Mart thread.:D

[King Cobra]

>(hitman) yeah, those were the days...

>endless spamming...yadda yadda yadda...

and wierd animations...

hitman has attached this image:
http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=101697

Now Ms. Spam is making a comeback. :D

<<runs to spectator booths, locks door>>

[mischief]

KC: A Caramel Creme-Cheese Pie with Graham cracker crust and custom logo'd pie pan! •SPLAT!•

hitman: A Frozen Jell-O instant chocolate pudding pie with Cool whip topping!
•SPLAT!•

nviow: Bad multi-named user! No pie for you. You I will beat senseless with a frozen whole Salmon! •WHAP!•

macbandit: So you like spam eh? (HUGE EVIL GRIN) •SHFWUP!•
(Macbandit is the victim of a thirty pound Spam enema!:eek: )

:D

[King Cobra]

Damn, chief. Last week I splattered pasta on my PJs. This week, you splatter caramel cream cheese!

<<steals towel from MacBandit before he can find it, wipes his face and PJs, then runs home>>

[vniow]

Ms. Spam takes the whole frozen salmon, gets King Cobra to inject some poison into it, chops it up and serves it to mischief for dinner for spelling my name wrong!

[Durandal7]

Originally posted by mischief

nviow: Bad multi-named user! No pie for you.
Turns out that the real Soup Nazi has banned Jerry Seinfeld from his shop and if you talk to him then he may kick you out of the store.

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by mischief
KC: A Caramel Creme-Cheese Pie with Graham cracker crust and custom logo'd pie pan! •SPLAT!•

hitman: A Frozen Jell-O instant chocolate pudding pie with Cool whip topping!
•SPLAT!•

nviow: Bad multi-named user! No pie for you. You I will beat senseless with a frozen whole Salmon! •WHAP!•

macbandit: So you like spam eh? (HUGE EVIL GRIN) •SHFWUP!•
(Macbandit is the victim of a thirty pound Spam enema!:eek: )

:D

Only cetain types.

Oh and that enema it has to be released somewhere. Just to give you a hint I wouldn't go to bed.;) :p

[mischief]

Originally posted by vniow
Ms. Spam takes the whole frozen salmon, gets King Cobra to inject some poison into it, chops it up and serves it to mischief for dinner for spelling my name wrong!

First of all you'd never get a snooty pacific Northwesterner such as myself to eat a Salmon that had been frozen, second.... due to your bizzarre choice of initial handles and subsequent mods thereon I will refer to you simply as *iow as neccessary. :D ;)

Macbandit: I'm sure my cats would see to disposing of it before I ever saw it. (poor kitties!):rolleyes:

[rainman::|:|]

Originally posted by mischief
due to your bizzarre choice of initial handles and subsequent mods thereon I will refer to you simply as *oiw as neccessary. :D ;)

Well, really, since the *wildcard can either mean any character(s) or a lack thereof, it would be *noiw preferably...

*ducks*

:D
pnw

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by mischief

Macbandit: I'm sure my cats would see to disposing of it before I ever saw it. (poor kitties!):rolleyes:

I have reported you to the humane society.

[MontanaMacster]

You guys might be catching heck from newbies, go back and read the past several posts on this thread. We just can't understand you guys because you are all insane. Which isn't a bad thing just..... differant.

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by MontanaMacster
You guys might be catching heck from newbies, go back and read the past several posts on this thread. We just can't understand you guys because you are all insane. Which isn't a bad thing just..... differant.

We're not insane we're just Mac people that are comfortable around eachother. I know that I can Mischief that I'm going to **** on his bed without hurting his feelings. This is what you call a community. When you are new you have to accept the fact that you can not become part of the community over night. A big part of what goes on is in reference to past events. If you haven't been here long enough you will have no idea what someone is talking about. It's something that takes a while. Losing your mind helps too.;) :)

[MontanaMacster]

http://www.apple.com/thinkdifferent/

[vniow]

Originally posted by MontanaMacster
We just can't understand you guys because you are all insane.


Well.....yeah.

No sane person would post in the community section, that's what the Mac sections are for, where people post with rational and logical thought.

I mean, nobody would pie anybody in the Mac sections, nobody would tell the world about their daily poop there (and that was started by a mod!http://img.ranchoweb.com/images/veronica/eek21.gif)

Just keep on posting here and you will truly be part of the Crazy Ones.

[alset]

Anything outside of good-natured razzing is unnecessary. We are all here with a common interest. Why are we such good friends when we bump into other Mac users at a store, but not online?

Dan

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by alset
Why are we such good friends when we bump into other Mac users at a store, but not online?

Dan

Friends? When I bump into someone in an Apple store I throw them out the door then climb up on the table with the DDR macs and start grunting like an ape. Anyone coming near get's a handfull of poop.

I AM KING OF THE POWERMAC MOUNTAIN!!!!

[rainman::|:|]

macrumors is not a hard place to fit in, it just takes considerable time to be "in" on certain things. i've been posting for almost a year, and reading for more than that, and i still miss references. Mostly the old flaming that went on, john123, spikey, and that other fellow...gocyrus? tho i've dug up a few threads just to see :D i'll probably get pied just for mentioning them... hehe

don't let it discourage you, there's plenty of new stuff happening, too.

it's hard for a lot of us to tell the newbies apart... so many of you, we have enough trouble keeping up with each other :D you have to make yourself stand out, without being annoying... good content posts leading up to the 'tar, i think the tar is essential for identifying each other, i'm awful with names ;)

pnw

[wdlove]

Sad to say that personal attacks are continuring. Name calling & sexism. I hope that arn will be are of this. Gown adults should just discuss, name calling should not occur among adults. Teasing is OK! :(

[3rdpath]

Originally posted by MacBandit


Friends? When I bump into someone in an Apple store I throw them out the door then climb up on the table with the DDR macs and start grunting like an ape. Anyone coming near get's a handfull of poop.

I AM KING OF THE POWERMAC MOUNTAIN!!!!

that is just too easy to visualize...:) :eek: :)

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by 3rdpath


that is just too easy to visualize...:) :eek: :)

Grunt hoo hoo hoo hoo!!!!

[Sun Baked]

Originally posted by wdlove
Sad to say that personal attacks are continuring. Name calling & sexism. I hope that arn will be are of this. Gown adults should just discuss, name calling should not occur among adults. Teasing is OK! :( Don't worry, they only resort to name calling and personal attacks when they run out of intelligent and witty replies.

Only problem is, the well ran dry for some people long before they learned to speak.

[wdlove]

Originally posted by Sun Baked
Don't worry, they only resort to name calling and personal attacks when they run out of intelligent and witty replies.

Only problem is, the well ran dry for some people long before they learned to speak.

You hit the nail on the head!

[SPG]

Originally posted by Sun Baked
Don't worry, they only resort to name calling and personal attacks when they run out of intelligent and witty replies.

Only problem is, the well ran dry for some people long before they learned to speak.

Fair enough for most cases, but sometimes you run up against a brick wall of idiocy no matter how many facts and explanations you offer. Some people are just too thick or too indoctrinated to see through their own beliefs to accept the reality of a debate.
Gets frustrating quick.

[wdlove]

Calling people names is never proper. It's best to agree to disagree!

[bousozoku]

Originally posted by wdlove
Calling people names is never proper. It's best to agree to disagree!

Calling people by their proper names may bring them back into line. :)

There's generally no reason for names as most everyone here is so great anyway. If someone isn't, we should use the notify link and be done with it.

[Sun Baked]

Someone once told me I have the grace of an elephant at a ballet recital.

I still can't get the picture of the elephant squashing the ballerina out of my mind.

[SPG]

Originally posted by wdlove
Calling people names is never proper. It's best to agree to disagree!

As a three page thread indicates, name calling does get people's attention.
And I will not "agree to disagree!" I will state my case, debate, offer proof, accept proof, and continue with the constant discovery that is life. If you have a point of view that can change my mind, then state it and back it up. I will do the same.

[mischief]

Originally posted by SPG


As a three page thread indicates, name calling does get people's attention.
And I will not "agree to disagree!" I will state my case, debate, offer proof, accept proof, and continue with the constant discovery that is life. If you have a point of view that can change my mind, then state it and back it up. I will do the same.

I get the feeling you're dodging the point to continue the discussion....

The point is that if I call you a thick headed schmuck it does less good than calling you on deliberately missing the point.

However: It can be considerably more pointed to be polite if you're gifted in the art of verbal whoopass.:D

[Sun Baked]

When dealing with some of these people, it's sometimes a lot of fun to hand them the Stick, and lead them on with the Carrot.

Because, sooner or later, they're bound to lose their temper and beat themselves with the stick.

[mischief]

Originally posted by Sun Baked
When dealing with some of these people, it's sometimes a lot of fun to hand them the Stick, and lead them on with the Carrot.

Because, sooner or later, they're bound to lose their temper and beat themselves with the stick.

Hmmmm I kinda like convincing them to use the Carrot as a suppository......

Then convincing them that it'll root.....

:D

[Sun Baked]

Originally posted by mischief


Hmmmm I kinda like convincing them to use the Carrot as a suppository......

Then convincing them that it'll root.....

:D Watch out it could happen...

Didn't you see the carrots from the Lexx series?

There was only one was only one way for the mechanical carrots to enter the body.

http://www.thefrey.com/images/Lexx412_1348.JPG

[SPG]

Originally posted by mischief


I get the feeling you're dodging the point to continue the discussion....

The point is that if I call you a thick headed schmuck it does less good than calling you on deliberately missing the point.

However: It can be considerably more pointed to be polite if you're gifted in the art of verbal whoopass.:D

You're right in that it is better to spar with ideas over insults, I think that what I was trying to get across was that sometimes after you get into a difference of opinion and the other person can't debunk your ideas, can't offer proof, offers no indication that you're possibly wrong, but then after you've won the debate comes back and says "no you didn't win because I didn't want you to win" and you have to go through the whole debate again. The frustration that this brings can trigger even the most sane of us to resort to name calling. I'm not saying it's cool, just that it happens.

[Sun Baked]

Originally posted by SPG


You're right in that it is better to spar with ideas over insults, I think that what I was trying to get across was that sometimes after you get into a difference of opinion and the other person can't debunk your ideas, can't offer proof, offers no indication that you're possibly wrong, but then after you've won the debate comes back and says "no you didn't win because I didn't want you to win" and you have to go through the whole debate again. The frustration that this brings can trigger even the most sane of us to resort to name calling. I'm not saying it's cool, just that it happens. Basically what has been happening in the political threads.

[mischief]

I have been known to extract the psychological weakpoints of a Troll's personality and construct a literary scene that rips their psychological entrails out with their own insecurities...... Like Alphatech and his homophobia/machismo combined with a rather obvious string of overcompensations and lack of long-term relationships.

Quick disclaimer: I have a great deal of respect for Alpha and I don't think of him as a Troll.... he was beating up on newbies at the time so I made with the tough love. It was just the first thing that came to mind because it was good writing and I'm honestly a bit ashamed of how effective it was at shutting him up.

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by mischief
I have been known to extract the psychological weakpoints of a Troll's personality and construct a literary scene that rips their psychological entrails out with their own insecurities...... Like Alphatech and his homophobia/machismo combined with a rather obvious string of overcompensations and lack of long-term relationships.

Quick disclaimer: I have a great deal of respect for Alpha and I don't think of him as a Troll.... he was beating up on newbies at the time so I made with the tough love. It was just the first thing that came to mind because it was good writing and I'm honestly a bit ashamed of how effective it was at shutting him up.

So it's your fault he left. YOU BASTARD!!!;)