Will the True Mac Gamers please stand up?

[Marathon4ever]

I'm writing this post because I'm sick of seeing the numerous amounts of posts about what console someone is thinking of buying or what specs someone should get for their Windows box that they are buying for gaming. This is a MAC Gaming forum, yet there seems to be very few True Mac Gamers posting in here.

So what makes someone a True Mac Gamer? Let me clarify for those who may be uninformed.

First and foremost, a True Mac Gamer DOES NOT LIKE and certainly DOES NOT OWN an Xbox! No True Mac Gamer will buy or play a Microsoft game - especially Halo!! Those of you not familiar with Mac Gaming history should know that it was Microsoft that destroyed the GREATEST MAC GAME COMPANY THERE EVER WAS: Bungie Software.

MICROSOFT IS THE ULTIMATE ENEMY OF THE MACINTOSH. Anyone who thinks otherwise is either fooling themselves or has been brainwashed by their bombardment of advertisements in our favorite Mac magazines, websites, etc.

Moving along, a True Mac Gamer does not own a PC on the side for gaming. A True Mac Gamer ONLY GAMES ON HIS OR HER MAC - with the possible exception of a Nintendo, Sega, or Sony system on the side. The video game world is different enough, and is great for inviting friends over and multiplaying into the wee hours (though, the same thing can be done on Mac with several gamepads). Additionally, a True Mac Gamer will not buy an Intel Mac and then proceed to install a dual boot with Windows for gaming.
Now, granted there are some very amazing games out there that are for Windows only, but a True Mac Gamer knows there are plenty of great titles available on the Mac to keep him or her busy.

Another requirement for being a True Mac Gamer is that you BUY ALL OF YOUR MAC GAMES. The more Mac Games we collectively buy, the more titles we will end up seeing on our platform. If you pirate your Mac Games, then you are just perpetuating the problem of never seeing certain titles and delayed releases. Also, as above, if you buy a Windows game for your PC gaming rig which is also available on the Mac, then you are again keeping more titles from hitting the Apple platform.
I own several Mac Games that I have not even gotten a chance to play yet, and I am still buying new ones because I know it's going to mean more games in the future.

So now I am opening up this thread for the True Mac Gamers out there to sound off and LET YOURSELF BE HEARD. I'll start off:
I'm Dave, a True Mac Gamer, and I wait for the day when every computer game that comes out will have a Mac version inside the box.

btw, this is what a True Mac Gamer's shelf looks like. ( I have more boxes, but I'm not sure where they are at the moment)

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[Lord Blackadder]

I'm glad I'm not a "True Mac Gamer", if that's what it takes.:cool:

[Patmian212]

btw, this is what a True Mac Gamer's shelf looks like. ( I have more boxes, but I'm not sure where they are at the moment)

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SWEEEET collection. . . I love the great mix of oldies and new games! Simtower for life.

[pknz]

I guess I fit most of the criteria. Whats the pay like?

[Rocksaurus]

YOU are not a TRUE Mac Gamer!


Moving along, a True Mac Gamer does not own a PC on the side for gaming. A True Mac Gamer ONLY GAMES ON HIS OR HER MAC - with the possible exception of a Nintendo, Sega, or Sony system on the side.

A TRUE Mac Gamer says NO to consoles - a TRUE Mac Gamer has no need for the console gaming world, a TRUE Mac Gamer's needs are met 100% by the Mac Gaming world!!!1


Additionally, a True Mac Gamer will not buy an Intel Mac and then proceed to install a dual boot with Windows for gaming.

A TRUE Mac Gamer would NEVER buy an Intel Mac to begin with! DO NOT believe what all those advertisements have brainwashed you to: INTEL IS AN EVIL COMPANY!!1


Now, granted there are some very amazing games out there that are for Windows only, but a True Mac Gamer knows there are plenty of great titles available on the Mac to keep him or her busy.


NO!!!1 A TRUE Mac Gamer acknowledges the FACT that there are NO amazing games out there for Windows only. The ONLY amazing games out there have already been ported to Mac or are being ported. ZOO TYCOON, FOR INSTANCE.


So what makes someone a True Mac Gamer? Let me clarify for those who may be uninformed.

Let ME clarify: YOU are not a TRUE Mac Gamer. :rolleyes:

[pknz]

Rocksaurus, if those are what you live by, you can't be a gamer.

[kingcrowing]

well, I'm pretty sure he was making fun of the original poster... but seriously, you are making it sound like being a mac gamer is some religion BS or something, seriously, microsoft is not an evil company, they, just like apple, have one end goal, to make money, that is number one in all companies, now, maybe apple and microsofts other values are different, but when it comes down to it, they are both companies looking to make money, and microsoft is a lot better at it, even if their products arent as nice as Apples, and seriously, not even jobs would lie, any company would love to make as much money as microsoft. and rockasaurus is right, if you really wanted to be super hard core, then you'd only play on a mac. Now i am into games, I use my mac, my DS/GBA, PC, xbox, I had a PSP, an N64, PS2, gamecube, 3DO and a SNES, they all have been good, and as it stands, the 360 is the best system out there (I dont have one, but I've used them), now when the other systems come out it will be different.

I guess my point is, what is the point of being a total mac gamer? a REAL, HARDCORE gamer would realize that there are good and bad aspects to every system, if a game is avialable for PC and mac, I'd go mac because I'd rather play a game on a mac, but if a game like GTA is only on PC or xbox, I'd have no issue using a microsoft product to be able to have access to an awesome game. by saying no to all things microsoft you aren't going to ever see the entire gaming world. you can hate Halo cause its microsoft, but in the end, its the most popular console game ever, and weather you like it or not, it is a good game, and everyone should at least try it out

[2nyRiggz]

well i am not a true mac gamer because i dont play games on the mac at all...oh well too bad...who the hell cares


Bless

[Marathon4ever]

... you can hate Halo cause its microsoft, but in the end, its the most popular console game ever, and weather you like it or not, it is a good game, and everyone should at least try it out

I have played Halo and it is a boring FPS. The only reason it's the most popular console game ever is because M$ advertised the hell out of it and payed off the reviewers to give it a great score until everyone actaully thought it was a great game.

Being a True Mac Gamer is the perfect combination of being a die-hard Mac User and a hardcore gamer. Microsoft is the enemy because they swallowed up and digested the greatest Mac Game company of all time. I really don't care if they did it because it made great business sense. They killed my FAVORITE company. One that released some of the best games ever to grace the Mac platform.

[GFLPraxis]

Rocksaurus, if those are what you live by, you can't be a gamer.

The sarcasm just went right over your head, didn't it.

Let me give you a hint.

If you ever see "!!!!!111" that either means the poster is incredibly stupid, or is mocking someone.

[~Shard~]

Once Starcraft 2 comes out, I'll be a Mac gamer again. :cool:

[Lord Blackadder]

Once Starcraft 2 comes out, I'll be a Mac gamer again. :cool:

No way, Diablo III will be THE game.

[kingcrowing]

They [microsoft] killed my FAVORITE company. One that released some of the best games ever to grace the Mac platform.

wait... you do realize that Bungie released halo for the xbox, THEN microsoft bought them, right? and Halo was in devlopment since before the xbox was announced (as a PC/mac game), then they decided to change it to xbox as they thought it would be better suited as a console game.

[Rocksaurus]

Rocksaurus, if those are what you live by, you can't be a gamer.

As others have been pointing out... I was kidding. The point I was trying to make is that this guy's drawing the line of "True Mac Gamer" in a completely abitrary place, and so I drew it in the most extreme place I could think of to try to make that point.

Once Starcraft 2 comes out, I'll be a Mac gamer again. :cool:

No way, Diablo III will be THE game.

You're both right. If it wasn't for Blizzard I wouldn't play any computer games at all.

[kingcrowing]

agreed, if you want to be a 'true mac gamer' it would make since that you only play on the mac, just as one would expect a true nintendo gamer would only use nintendo systems (nintendo, SNES, N64, GC, GB, GBA, DS). It seems like you are less the 'true mac gamer' and more the 'anti-microsoft gamer'

[cubist]

UT2004 works fine on the Mac, and it's plenty fun... The promise of games like World of Warcraft is that the platform will become irrelevant - the game should move transparently from platform to platform, so that someday, we might play WoW on a handheld while commuting, then on a computer in the office.

Technology should blur platform boundaries, not crystallize them. I'm disappointed that the Intel Macs don't run Classic. They should; and they should have built-in VPC so that they can run both Mac and Windows applications transparently. Eventually, technology should advance to the point of having a computer which can run any program ever written.

[DrNeroCF]

Once Starcraft 2 comes out, I'll be a Mac gamer again. :cool:

Amen. Until then, it's Nintendo all the way, baby.

If it makes you feel any better, I saved 400 bucks by buying Mutant Storm for mac instead of xbox.

But I use a 360 controller to play it :eek:

Besides, none of those games on your shelf really interest me... I don't like 'computer games.' That's probably why I have a mac. :D

[AP_piano295]

I have played Halo and it is a boring FPS. The only reason it's the most popular console game ever is because M$ advertised the hell out of it and payed off the reviewers to give it a great score until everyone actaully thought it was a great game.

Being a True Mac Gamer is the perfect combination of being a die-hard Mac User and a hardcore gamer. Microsoft is the enemy because they swallowed up and digested the greatest Mac Game company of all time. I really don't care if they did it because it made great business sense. They killed my FAVORITE company. One that released some of the best games ever to grace the Mac platform.

Wait...you love marathon but you hate halo... WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU!!! those games are so bloody similar... the rocket launcher even has the same desighn.

...your stupid go away

*On the positive myth is an amazing game I really need to get now that I think of it.

[Zuroxx]

well, I'm pretty sure he was making fun of the original poster... but seriously, you are making it sound like being a mac gamer is some religion BS or something, seriously, microsoft is not an evil company, they, just like apple, have one end goal, to make money, that is number one in all companies, now, maybe apple and microsofts other values are different, but when it comes down to it, they are both companies looking to make money, and microsoft is a lot better at it, even if their products arent as nice as Apples, and seriously, not even jobs would lie, any company would love to make as much money as microsoft. and rockasaurus is right, if you really wanted to be super hard core, then you'd only play on a mac. Now i am into games, I use my mac, my DS/GBA, PC, xbox, I had a PSP, an N64, PS2, gamecube, 3DO and a SNES, they all have been good, and as it stands, the 360 is the best system out there (I dont have one, but I've used them), now when the other systems come out it will be different.

I guess my point is, what is the point of being a total mac gamer? a REAL, HARDCORE gamer would realize that there are good and bad aspects to every system, if a game is avialable for PC and mac, I'd go mac because I'd rather play a game on a mac, but if a game like GTA is only on PC or xbox, I'd have no issue using a microsoft product to be able to have access to an awesome game. by saying no to all things microsoft you aren't going to ever see the entire gaming world. you can hate Halo cause its microsoft, but in the end, its the most popular console game ever, and weather you like it or not, it is a good game, and everyone should at least try it out



ehhh

owned pretty much... although he does have an impressive mac game collection

btw, this is what a True Mac Gamer's shelf looks like. ( I have more boxes, but I'm not sure where they are at the moment)

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IM me on AIM lol or some **** like that

[Marathon4ever]

wait... you do realize that Bungie released halo for the xbox, THEN microsoft bought them, right? and Halo was in devlopment since before the xbox was announced (as a PC/mac game), then they decided to change it to xbox as they thought it would be better suited as a console game.

Yes, Halo was in production way before Microsoft bought out Bungie, but no Bungie released Halo for the Xbox AFTER M$ bought them out.

Furthermore, Halo was going to be an entirely different game before M$ got their hands on it and changed the whole thing around. It was originally going to be a large multiplayer online team-based combat game in the 3rd person perpective. Then M$ forced Bungie to change it for their Xbox release into a ho-hum generic FPS. The original idea for Halo would have made the game a great classic, but instead it became just another mindless FPS.

ehhh

owned pretty much... although he does have an impressive mac game collection

how can I be owned by someone who doesn't even have his history straight??

[kingcrowing]

um, excuse me... but halo is a classic, maybe now amongst all of the FPS halo seems like 'all the rest' but halo started it all, it was the first really hardcore FPS for console with vehicles and large multiplayer, maybe not what bungie originally planed, but you have to realize, its like 5 years old! People still play this game all the time, I think that any game that is still played al lthe time 5 years later would be considered a 'classic'. In 10 years when people get nostalgic and say I wanan get an xbox again! they will get Halo 1and/or 2, just like how people now say I want a nintendo with duck hunt! they go together, this is a classic FPS, maybe not the best or newest or first, but it started the 'modern' FPS, it was the biggest, the first to really use vehiles for combat sucsfully. it has all the makings of a classic game

[bousozoku]

I'm not sure about being a true Mac gamer or not.

I've got a lot of games that were created for or ported to Macintosh. Still, I don't play many of them. I also have a few older game consoles as well as a Nintendo GameCube and DS handheld.

I'm just happy that UT2004 works quite well and that online games work pretty well, too. Of course, it would be nice if there were more excellent quality games. We don't need all the x86/Windows junk that's out there but of course, there are a few titles that should be ported. It just seems as though there aren't enough people who own a Macintosh who are buying games.

[kingcrowing]

generally speaking, for most people its much cheaper to buy a lower end mac (mac mini, iBook, powermac G4, etc) and then get some sort of console as opposed to a mac thats powerful enough to run the few mac games out there

[~Shard~]

No way, Diablo III will be THE game.

Some people are into wizards, some are into orcs, some are into aliens - it's all good, no matter what you play.

That being said, SC2 would kick D3's butt. :eek: :p ;) :D

You're both right. If it wasn't for Blizzard I wouldn't play any computer games at all.

They definitely make some quality games.... :cool:

[Lord Blackadder]

They definitely make some quality games.... :cool:

More than that, they they do one thing that should endear them to all Mac users: we get the game the same time that PC users do, and not as a port or afterthought.

[~Shard~]

More than that, they they do one thing that should endear them to all Mac users: we get the game the same time that PC users do, and not as a port or afterthought.

Absolutely, great point - gotta love those hybrid disks!

[jamesi]

im sorry but i play games on my pc or on a console, not so much on my mac mainly b/c i want to play the newest and the best games when they come out. half life 2 isnt even out yet for the mac and no one even knows if that will ever happen. i love my mac but that isnt going to cloud me from realizing the mac is nt the way to go for gaming

[Marathon4ever]

im sorry but i play games on my pc or on a console, not so much on my mac mainly b/c i want to play the newest and the best games when they come out. half life 2 isnt even out yet for the mac and no one even knows if that will ever happen. i love my mac but that isnt going to cloud me from realizing the mac is nt the way to go for gaming

You are precisely the problem I'm talking about. The Mac Gaming world sucks because of people like you who don't support it. If all of you swing gamers dropped your PC box and bought Mac games, then Half-Life 2 and others would be out for the Mac right now. And I would be playing Counter Strike Source instead of ranting about this topic.

[Eevee]

Once Starcraft 2 comes out, I'll be a Mac gamer again.


No way, Diablo III will be THE game.


No..No..way, Once Counter Strike comes out, I will be a serious Mac gamer:D

By the Way, just finished playing Halo online sniping PC players!

[maxterpiece]

i've played about 90% of the games on your shelf. I'd say about 3 or 4 of them are any good. You play games to enjoy yourself - why don't you play games that are more enjoyable, regardless of what platform they are on.

BTW is diablo III being made?

I'm psyched for Fallout 3.

OP - you need fallout 2.

[~Shard~]

I'm psyched for Fallout 3.

OP - you need fallout 2.

Nothing will compare to the game it's based off of though - Wasteland. Simply one of the greatest games ever made. :cool:

[TheGimp]

I gave Mac gaming a serious try, payed for most of my games and even contributed to a few developer forums discussing bugs and patches, upgraded macs a few times partly to enjoy newer titles, but finally gave up completely. Now that I've sold my dual G5 and have only a 12" Powerbook G4 left, I can hardly remember the last time I used the Mac for gaming (probably sometime the summer before last).

[bousozoku]

generally speaking, for most people its much cheaper to buy a lower end mac (mac mini, iBook, powermac G4, etc) and then get some sort of console as opposed to a mac thats powerful enough to run the few mac games out there

I can't imagine paying enough to play Doom 3. It could make it to a console or two eventually. In fact, I can't think of a game compelling enough to cause me to buy a big machine. I think work will always demand a new machine before a game will.

[Rocksaurus]

More than that, they they do one thing that should endear them to all Mac users: we get the game the same time that PC users do, and not as a port or afterthought.
Yeah, recently that's been the case fortunately. Though back when StarCraft was originally released for PC it took i think nearly 2 years to make it to that mac. Man, that was a long two years of playing it on my friend's pc at his house... D2's near simultaneous release made up for that though :)

[ReanimationLP]

Some people are into wizards, some are into orcs, some are into aliens - it's all good, no matter what you play.

That being said, SC2 would kick D3's butt. :eek: :p ;) :D



They definitely make some quality games.... :cool:

Agreed. I cant wait for Starcraft 2. >.>

World of Warcraft pisses me off because they're wasting all that time on that when they could be making SC2.

[matix]

all i've got to say is that if i was a "True Mac Gamer" according to your definition, i would cease to be a "True Gamer".

while i'm all for games making it to the mac (blizzard you are great) there is a point where it makes no sense to be a macintosh gamer, (outside of the realm of blizzard and the aspyr ports that are actually good)... in that you must have an incredibly deep wallet and/or are just a zealot purist who can't think outside the Reality Distortion Field. see Apple Gaming Hardware. (http://www.apple.com/games/hardware/)

Superior performance? Good value? Get an effing clue!

[xPismo]

I don't get the mac gamer rulez thing at all. I like some games on my mac, others on a console, but all the Bungie half truths and lies would make a Bungie believer cry. . .


:(


. . . actually I think you did.

I miss Bungie. I miss the paper on why mac games make economic sence, I miss the love and care they put into games, and I miss the fact that a true world leader in gaming was 100% mac.

But the worst part is how tarnished the name Bungie has become to the mac fan base. No one even tries to defend them anymore - it just becomes a flame war. So I wont either. It honestly makes me sad.

Bungie: we believed. You will not be forgotten.

[greatdevourer]

First and foremost, a True Mac Gamer DOES NOT LIKE and certainly DOES NOT OWN an Xbox! No True Mac Gamer will buy or play a Microsoft game - especially Halo!! Those of you not familiar with Mac Gaming history should know that it was Microsoft that destroyed the GREATEST MAC GAME COMPANY THERE EVER WAS: Bungie Software.

MICROSOFT IS THE ULTIMATE ENEMY OF THE MACINTOSH.

Moving along, a True Mac Gamer does not own a PC on the side for gaming. A True Mac Gamer ONLY GAMES ON HIS OR HER MAC - with the possible exception of a Nintendo, Sega, or Sony system on the side. The video game world is different enough, and is great for inviting friends over and multiplaying into the wee hours (though, the same thing can be done on Mac with several gamepads). Additionally, a True Mac Gamer will not buy an Intel Mac and then proceed to install a dual boot with Windows for gaming. Roflmfao n00b :p
1) I own an XBox. I enjoy it. It is a good console (far better than their software department's best efforts)
2) The way you put it sounds as though BG went down to Chicago with a pair of mini-Uzis and slaughtered all who didn't agree with him. When one company buys another, they both have to be in on the deal. Get it?
3) No they're not
4) I own a PC for the games that don't get ported (I mostly play HL2). And, if it keeps you calm, I buy my Mac games while I usually pirate the PC versions.

Here is a small list I have compiled:
Marathon Infinity
Marathon box set (yes, I have 2 copies of Infinity)
Aleph One (the OSX port of Infinity :p Yes, I'll admit it, I am a Marathon freak)
Doom 2
Doom3
Quake
Quake 3
Halo
Unreal Tournament
Unreal Tournament 2004
The Sims + 3 expansion packs
Sim City 4
Myth
Ghost Recon
Splinter Cell

Those are the ones I play most (I play Classic games on Das Cubenstein - see sig)

Other games include:
Warcraft 2
Warcraft 3
Occaisional Diablo 2
America's Army
Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory

There are probably even more lying around somewhere, but I can't be assed to dig them out

Furthermore, Halo was going to be an entirely different game before M$ got their hands on it and changed the whole thing around. It was originally going to be a large multiplayer online team-based combat game in the 3rd person perpective Oh, and this needs correcting. First, it was going to be an RTS (I'm on the dev team for a revival of this - Halo: Strategy Evolved), then a 3rd-person shooter, then an FPS, then they were bought, then it was ported to XBox, then from that to PC, from that to Mac. Stupid, I know, but that's how the industry works

[jamesi]

im not a mac gamer, b/c id rather not wait years for the same crap games i can play on a pc or a console. the market for macintoshs is such that no major developer will make games for it. they realize they wont make enough money. i wish it were otherwise but its just facts. im not going to be some burn out mac gamer who refuses to play games unless its on thier mac

[BlizzardBomb]

:rolleyes: If Microsoft is so bad, why do so many people prefer MS mice to Apple mice to game with?

[takao]

well if being a true mac gamers all those things i'm rather not one.. sure the most popular games get ported but it's far from the huge piles of different games/genres you get with a pc and to a lesser amount on the consoles

that aside i didn't know that there were any pc gamer left who still play halo, it never was really popular or consider a good game simply because on the PC there were much more shooters

[kingcrowing]

well, actually, most of the popular titles, Half life 1 and 2, countrstrike, SC2, the list goes on, have never been ported and never will be.

and Halo PC is still super popular, but I was refering to halo for xbox, 2 is the most popular online console game ever, but I think that Halo 1 still sold a lot more copies

[harveypooka]

So what makes someone a True Mac Gamer? Let me clarify for those who may be uninformed.....MICROSOFT IS THE ULTIMATE ENEMY OF THE MACINTOSH....Another requirement for being a True Mac Gamer is that you BUY ALL OF YOUR MAC GAMES.....I'm Dave, a True Mac Gamer, and I wait for the day when every computer game that comes out will have a Mac version inside the box.

Right. I'm uninformed, I do think Word is a good application, I do buy all my Mac games and we will be waiting a while for every game to come out for the mac.

Mate, if you're a games fan it makes little difference what platform it comes on as long as there is a good variety, good prices, good graphics and good story. Of course we have preference, but you'll be waiting a long time for every game to come out for the Mac. It's not a mainstream gaming platform.

And calm down, capitals everywhere just makes you look like a RETARD.

[mac.head.high]

I'm writing this post because I'm sick of seeing the numerous amounts of posts about what console someone is thinking of buying or what specs someone should get for their Windows box that they are buying for gaming. This is a MAC Gaming forum, yet there seems to be very few True Mac Gamers posting in here.

So what makes someone a True Mac Gamer? Let me clarify for those who may be uninformed.

First and foremost, a True Mac Gamer DOES NOT LIKE and certainly DOES NOT OWN an Xbox! No True Mac Gamer will buy or play a Microsoft game - especially Halo!! Those of you not familiar with Mac Gaming history should know that it was Microsoft that destroyed the GREATEST MAC GAME COMPANY THERE EVER WAS: Bungie Software.

MICROSOFT IS THE ULTIMATE ENEMY OF THE MACINTOSH. Anyone who thinks otherwise is either fooling themselves or has been brainwashed by their bombardment of advertisements in our favorite Mac magazines, websites, etc.

Moving along, a True Mac Gamer does not own a PC on the side for gaming. A True Mac Gamer ONLY GAMES ON HIS OR HER MAC - with the possible exception of a Nintendo, Sega, or Sony system on the side. The video game world is different enough, and is great for inviting friends over and multiplaying into the wee hours (though, the same thing can be done on Mac with several gamepads). Additionally, a True Mac Gamer will not buy an Intel Mac and then proceed to install a dual boot with Windows for gaming.
Now, granted there are some very amazing games out there that are for Windows only, but a True Mac Gamer knows there are plenty of great titles available on the Mac to keep him or her busy.

Another requirement for being a True Mac Gamer is that you BUY ALL OF YOUR MAC GAMES. The more Mac Games we collectively buy, the more titles we will end up seeing on our platform. If you pirate your Mac Games, then you are just perpetuating the problem of never seeing certain titles and delayed releases. Also, as above, if you buy a Windows game for your PC gaming rig which is also available on the Mac, then you are again keeping more titles from hitting the Apple platform.
I own several Mac Games that I have not even gotten a chance to play yet, and I am still buying new ones because I know it's going to mean more games in the future.

So now I am opening up this thread for the True Mac Gamers out there to sound off and LET YOURSELF BE HEARD. I'll start off:
I'm Dave, a True Mac Gamer, and I wait for the day when every computer game that comes out will have a Mac version inside the box.


This is satire, right?

I have played Halo and it is a boring FPS. The only reason it's the most popular console game ever is because M$ advertised the hell out of it and payed off the reviewers to give it a great score until everyone actaully thought it was a great game.

Being a True Mac Gamer is the perfect combination of being a die-hard Mac User and a hardcore gamer. Microsoft is the enemy because they swallowed up and digested the greatest Mac Game company of all time. I really don't care if they did it because it made great business sense. They killed my FAVORITE company. One that released some of the best games ever to grace the Mac platform.

False. It' just a rock-solid FPS with some of the best and consistent graphics on a console currently. But understand, that I hate M$ just as much as the next guy, but I love good games.

Also all the sound design on Bungie games are still done on Mac's as per a contractual agreement they decided with M$. I know this because I to design sound and have meet the sound designers on occasion at industry parties (usually tipsy). Even the sound design team hate M$, because their game pushed a system and the Bungie folk didn't get so much as a pat on the back or a bonus check.

So be equally bitter at M$ for being evil, and Bungie for being greedy.

Sorry to here that you lost your idol.

You are precisely the problem I'm talking about. The Mac Gaming world sucks because of people like you who don't support it. If all of you swing gamers dropped your PC box and bought Mac games, then Half-Life 2 and others would be out for the Mac right now. And I would be playing Counter Strike Source instead of ranting about this topic.

An in conclusion- (I've already said to much, but)

A "true Mac gamer" is a contradiction in term. A true gamer seeks out the best overall gaming experience regardless of delivery method. And a "true Mac User" is smart enough to understand that 5% of the market isn't a sufficient delivery system. Even if you could promise game developers that everyone who owned a Mac would buy a game (and could some how make it happen), it still wouldn't generate enough profit to interest developers.

If your anger really has a focus, it should be to sell more Macs so that developers take it seriously as a delivery system. No one actually question the capability of the Mac to game.

Also I'd really like to thank you for opening yourself up to being a target for criticism. Everyone appreciates a good a opinion, but your Fatwah against M$ is just a little creepy. I just thought someone should point it out.

[Soulstorm]

To the thread starter:

This is really a thread from just another Microsoft hater.

As much as I dislike Microsoft, for numerous reasons, when I am called to analyse those reasons, I certainly do more than just pointing out that "in order to be a true mac gamer I must play games on my Mac exclusively".

First of all, I disagree with this statement. You can't be a "Mac gamer". Sure, there are lots of games for the macintosh platform, but the initial purpose of the Mac is not games. The real reason of why I am using Macs since I was a little kid is because it is a CREATIVE tool, not just a gaming tool (and that applies for nearly every Mac user). They don't crash as PC's do, they have a lot more media and programming capabilities, and... and... and.... I could go on forever.

But, seriously, man, you can't be a gamer if you play games only on your mac, because you don't know what you are missing by not playing on the PC Half Life 2, Halo on Xbox, Gran Turismo on PS2, Mario on Nintendo, and Sonic games on Sega.

And seriously, by making such threads only shows that not only you are not a real gamer, but also that you may never be able to be a good computer user.

That's all.

[Marathon4ever]

I gave Mac gaming a serious try, payed for most of my games and even contributed to a few developer forums discussing bugs and patches, upgraded macs a few times partly to enjoy newer titles, but finally gave up completely. Now that I've sold my dual G5 and have only a 12" Powerbook G4 left, I can hardly remember the last time I used the Mac for gaming (probably sometime the summer before last).

What made you give up??


while i'm all for games making it to the mac (blizzard you are great) there is a point where it makes no sense to be a macintosh gamer, (outside of the realm of blizzard and the aspyr ports that are actually good)...

you are forgetting about Feral who has come out with some unbeatable titles, like Commandos, and is about to come out with the greatest racing game ever to hit the Mac platform: Colin McRae Rally 2005

[kingcrowing]

the colin macre games have been out on the xbox since the first (or second) one... and you do realize its 2006 right?

[Marathon4ever]

I don't get the mac gamer rulez thing at all. I like some games on my mac, others on a console, but all the Bungie half truths and lies would make a Bungie believer cry. . .


:(


. . . actually I think you did.

I miss Bungie. I miss the paper on why mac games make economic sence, I miss the love and care they put into games, and I miss the fact that a true world leader in gaming was 100% mac.

But the worst part is how tarnished the name Bungie has become to the mac fan base. No one even tries to defend them anymore - it just becomes a flame war. So I wont either. It honestly makes me sad.

Bungie: we believed. You will not be forgotten.

Half-truths and Lies??!!? It's all FACT.

FACT: the higher-ups of Bungie Software sold out the Mac community and agreed to have M$ buy them out. Jason Jones, you are one of the stupidest people on the face of the planet. Three cheers to the Bungie guys who jumped ship as soon as they heard the bad news.

FACT: Bungie Software no longer exists. It just another cog in the Microsoft machine.

FACT: The last great game that Bungie came out with was Oni.

There is absoultely no reason for anyone in Mac Gaming community to defend Bungie. Bungie slapped the faces of its entire Mac Gamer fan base by going Microsoft, and why did they do it?? For money!!!!


2) The way you put it sounds as though BG went down to Chicago with a pair of mini-Uzis and slaughtered all who didn't agree with him. When one company buys another, they both have to be in on the deal. Get it?


Wrong. Only those in charge of the companies have to be in on the deal. The rest of the employees in the companies get shafted. Got It?

:rolleyes: If Microsoft is so bad, why do so many people prefer MS mice to Apple mice to game with?

Because they have been brainwashed by advertisements.

Logitech makes the best gaming mice.

Right. I'm uninformed, I do think Word is a good application, I do buy all my Mac games and we will be waiting a while for every game to come out for the mac.

Mate, if you're a games fan it makes little difference what platform it comes on as long as there is a good variety, good prices, good graphics and good story. Of course we have preference, but you'll be waiting a long time for every game to come out for the Mac. It's not a mainstream gaming platform.



You do realize that Microsoft took a wreaking ball to the Mac Gaming market. Pages makes a fine Word subsititute.

The Mac is not a mainstream gaming platform yet. It will be. The Intel Macs are going to start that change.

An in conclusion- (I've already said to much, but)

A "true Mac gamer" is a contradiction in term. A true gamer seeks out the best overall gaming experience regardless of delivery method. And a "true Mac User" is smart enough to understand that 5% of the market isn't a sufficient delivery system. Even if you could promise game developers that everyone who owned a Mac would buy a game (and could some how make it happen), it still wouldn't generate enough profit to interest developers.

If your anger really has a focus, it should be to sell more Macs so that developers take it seriously as a delivery system. No one actually question the capability of the Mac to game.

Also I'd really like to thank you for opening yourself up to being a target for criticism. Everyone appreciates a good a opinion, but your Fatwah against M$ is just a little creepy. I just thought someone should point it out.

The Mac market is already on its way above 5% and the Intel Macs will be bringing that percentage to 10% and beyond.

My "Fatwah" against M$ is not creepy. It is the attitude that all loyal Mac Users should take.


First of all, I disagree with this statement. You can't be a "Mac gamer". Sure, there are lots of games for the macintosh platform, but the initial purpose of the Mac is not games. The real reason of why I am using Macs since I was a little kid is because it is a CREATIVE tool, not just a gaming tool (and that applies for nearly every Mac user). They don't crash as PC's do, they have a lot more media and programming capabilities, and... and... and.... I could go on forever.

But, seriously, man, you can't be a gamer if you play games only on your mac, because you don't know what you are missing by not playing on the PC Half Life 2, Halo on Xbox, Gran Turismo on PS2, Mario on Nintendo, and Sonic games on Sega.


You have no idea what you are talking about. Sure, I like my Mac for many many reasons other than for playing games with, but I can be a Mac Gamer. As can many other people out there who love to play games on their Mac.

the colin macre games have been out on the xbox since the first (or second) one... and you do realize its 2006 right?

What difference does it make how long the games have been out on a different platform? The ports have to start somewhere.

There is no Colin McRae 2006 yet, so 2005 is still the latest and greatest of the series. I'll take it.

[GonzoRob]

"I'm Dave, a True Mac Gamer, and I wait for the day when every computer game that comes out will have a Mac version inside the box."



Dave, does it get lonely up there on your pedestal?


Along the same lines of thought ...
Im a TRUE Amiga gamer, I'm waiting for the Doom port right now. My Amiga 500+ (thats with 1 meg of ram goddamnit!) will show all you non believers that microsoft is evil and the Amiga is the true platform for home entertainment!

... Wha'd'ya'mean people dont *make* games for me anymore !? !?!?

[Rocksaurus]

The Mac market is already on its way above 5% and the Intel Macs will be bringing that percentage to 10% and beyond.

My "Fatwah" against M$ is not creepy. It is the attitute that all loyal Mac Users should take.


The Mac is not a mainstream gaming platform yet. It will be. The Intel Macs are going to start that change.


Marathon, this is an honest question and I expect an honest answer:
Prior to June of 2005, when Apple announced its switch to Intel processors, as a LOYAL, TRUE Mac user and gamer, didn't you HATE Intel almost as much as M$?

[Abulia]

How is this not a troll? A newbie's first and only posts are in this thread which is so stupid that it's clearly put here to troll.

My IQ dropped just reading this garbage. :rolleyes:

[bousozoku]

Macintosh had a lot more than 5 % of the market in the early to mid-1990s and it still didn't have the most important games. Apple finally made a half-hearted attempt to ignite Mac gaming by adding GameSprockets, which would have been fine if they were trying to re-create side scrollers from the 1980s.

It's possible that the new machines will push the market much harder but it's going to take a lot more to convince anyone other than Mac-o-lytes that Apple are advocating gaming or that they're interested in keeping up the performance for anything but creating 3D content.

If there is something to be said for Bungie, it's that they're smart people and their management made a decision that made good sense for the company. Yes, they made some great games for Macintosh. They also made some really bad games. Halo made Bungie a household name.

If selling out is a problem, you don't talk about Destineer/Bold who were basically a Microsoft gaming arm in the Macintosh world, right? It doesn't matter to me, as long as the games come out right.

[~Shard~]

Agreed. I cant wait for Starcraft 2. >.>

World of Warcraft pisses me off because they're wasting all that time on that when they could be making SC2.

Yeah, that would be my one grievance against WoW too, even though it's kind of petty. :o ;) Just focus on SC2 already, it's been far too long! And although SC Ghost looks interesting and all, it better not count as the "next SC game", and now they'll move onto Diablo 3, Warcraft 4, etc... :mad:

SC2 will definitely get me back into computer games, just like old times. :cool:

[Marathon4ever]

Marathon, this is an honest question and I expect an honest answer:
Prior to June of 2005, when Apple announced its switch to Intel processors, as a LOYAL, TRUE Mac user and gamer, didn't you HATE Intel almost as much as M$?

I did hate Intel, but not nearly as much as I hate M$.

I would have rather seen a deal with AMD, but X86 is X86 and that is definitely the way to go if the Mac Gaming market is to grow.

[Marathon4ever]

If there is something to be said for Bungie, it's that they're smart people and their management made a decision that made good sense for the company. Yes, they made some great games for Macintosh. They also made some really bad games. Halo made Bungie a household name.

If selling out is a problem, you don't talk about Destineer/Bold who were basically a Microsoft gaming arm in the Macintosh world, right? It doesn't matter to me, as long as the games come out right.

Wrong, the Myth series made Bungie famous. Everyone already knew Bungie when Halo came out. That's why the game got so much attention during its early development, and it's also why M$ decided to buy Bungie.

I simply chose not to talk about Destineer because my post was already pretty long. But I boycott Destineer/Bold as well, and I hope that other knowledgable Mac Gamers do the same thing.

[AP_piano295]

I would personally like to know what it is that makes you so fanatically loyal to apple. No matter how much you deffend apple and villify microsoft apple is never going to give you a free computer, or a free game, or a free anything.

Do you know why.... Its because apple is a company trying to make money do you hear me M-O-N-E-Y. They arent evil or wrong but they are a company just like M$ or Bungie.

[MacEffects]

I'm glad I'm not a "True Mac Gamer", if that's what it takes.:cool:

I wonderder since I have over 100 boxes of new Macintosh Games (While they are from 1985-2001) does this make me a true gamer? Wait, I have WoW too:D :p

[Marathon4ever]

I would personally like to know what it is that makes you so fanatically loyal to apple. No matter how much you deffend apple and villify microsoft apple is never going to give you a free computer, or a free game, or a free anything.

Do you know why.... Its because apple is a company trying to make money do you hear me M-O-N-E-Y. They arent evil or wrong but they are a company just like M$ or Bungie.

Yes, Apple is a company that is trying to make money; they all do. But no, Apple is nothing like M$ or Bunige.

And I actually am not fanatically loyal to Apple. I am fanatically loyal to the Mac platform (there is a subtle difference there). I love the Mac because the experience is unique. There is no other operating system out there that is quite like it. And so playing games on a Mac gives one that same uniqueness that you can't get by playing games on any other platform.

[seenew]

My Mac is my work horse. It's not a toy.
I use it for my artwork, and that's it.

I game on my Gamecube and DS.

[Rocksaurus]

I did hate Intel, but not nearly as much as I hate M$.

I would have rather seen a deal with AMD, but X86 is X86 and that is definitely the way to go if the Mac Gaming market is to grow.

Okay, I guess my other point then is shouldn't a true mac gamer be a devout PPC user? Shouldn't you hate Intel, that evil, evil company? :rolleyes:

[bousozoku]

Wrong, the Myth series made Bungie famous. Everyone already knew Bungie when Halo came out. That's why the game got so much attention during its early development, and it's also why M$ decided to buy Bungie.
...

Wrong, Myth never made it to the general t.v. news, Halo did.

Many gamers (not everyone) knew about Myth and Bungie, but when Halo hit the 11 o'clock news, it became a big name, almost part-and-parcel with Microsoft's xbox.

[Marathon4ever]

Okay, I guess my other point then is shouldn't a true mac gamer be a devout PPC user? Shouldn't you hate Intel, that evil, evil company? :rolleyes:

A Mac is a Mac because of the operating system, not because of what runs underneath. There is nothing Mac-like about the PPC chip. A Mac was a Mac before the PPC chip was used, and it will be a Mac after the PPC chip has been used.

Evolution, my friend. It all concerns the Evolution of the Mac.

Wrong, Myth never made it to the general t.v. news, Halo did.

Many gamers (not everyone) knew about Myth and Bungie, but when Halo hit the 11 o'clock news, it became a big name, almost part-and-parcel with Microsoft's xbox.

Alright, clearly we are talking about two different spans of recognition.

[GonzoRob]

mod +5 troll ;)

Lets kill this thread...

[Sargiel]

While the initial post was quite emotive I think the basic point is sound. It is true that if only a small proportion of the mac using community buys games for their OS of choice then things will never improve from where they are now. Even if the Intel Macs increase market share if everyone is gaming on an xbox or a PC then we're not going to see an expansion of the Mac game market or an increase in the viability of additional ports.

I switched to Mac and sold my PC in the second half of 2006. While there are a couple of titles I miss (Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines for one ..) I was able to buy mac versions of NWN and others and continue my gaming. I was even introduced to a classic - EV: Nova :D

And I do agree with the comment about the fact that 99% of the time most of the topics in the Mac Gaming forum are anything but. If I wanted XBOX news or Revolution rumours I'd look elsewhere on a relevant forum.

[jdechko]

...just like how people now say I want a Nintendo with duck hunt...

Duck Hunt... now there's a real first-person shooter. :D I'm not a true Mac gamer... I don't even own a Mac. I also have very little time for computer games, and games in general, but when I do play video games, I have a game cube for that.

I let go of computer games a long time ago. I can't continually sink money into new components to play the latest game. I have a laptop anyway, but even if I did have a tower, I still wouldn't upgrade it every 6 months. However, I am guaranteed that my game cube meets all system specs for any game released for the game cube, for the entire life of the game. When the Revolution is released, I'll buy one and be guaranteed that it plays all Revolution games for the next 5 or so years.

[~Shard~]

Duck Hunt... now there's a real first-person shooter. :D I'm not a true Mac gamer... I don't even own a Mac. I also have very little time for computer games, and games in general, but when I do play video games, I have a game cube for that.

Sweet, Duck Hunt - that brings back lots of good memories, thanks! That and Bayou Billy... :D

[Marathon4ever]

I switched to Mac and sold my PC in the second half of 2006. While there are a couple of titles I miss (Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines for one ..) I was able to buy mac versions of NWN and others and continue my gaming. I was even introduced to a classic - EV: Nova :D



Vampire the Masquerade: Redemption was actually released for the Mac. Although, I'm not sure if it runs under OS X.

[kaltsasa]

Al Unser Jr. Racing! That came with my Gravis 5 button joystick way back in the day. Way back. I loved that game. And the joystick.

[Rocksaurus]

A Mac is a Mac because of the operating system, not because of what runs underneath. There is nothing Mac-like about the PPC chip. A Mac was a Mac before the PPC chip was used, and it will be a Mac after the PPC chip has been used.

Evolution, my friend. It all concerns the Evolution of the Mac.


Alright, then certainly you would agree that an implementation of DirectX for Mac would be a good thing, right? Let's assume for the moment that this implementation speeds up the user interface, and makes games quickly and easily portable, as well as much smoother on the Mac. It's... Evolution. BUT, DirectX is a MICROSOFT product. Certainly this presents a conflict for you. Given your black or white stance on everything Mac-related my guess is that this situation will cause you to spontaneously combust.

Also - many would disagree with you about there being "nothing Mac-like" about the PPC chip. You have to remember that the PPC is what has kept Macs and PCs separate for so long. Now Mac OS can just be installed on beige PC boxes, and there's nothing Mac-like about those.

[Marathon4ever]

Alright, then certainly you would agree that an implementation of DirectX for Mac would be a good thing, right? Let's assume for the moment that this implementation speeds up the user interface, and makes games quickly and easily portable, as well as much smoother on the Mac. It's... Evolution. BUT, DirectX is a MICROSOFT product. Certainly this presents a conflict for you. Given your black or white stance on everything Mac-related my guess is that this situation will cause you to spontaneously combust.

Also - many would disagree with you about there being "nothing Mac-like" about the PPC chip. You have to remember that the PPC is what has kept Macs and PCs separate for so long. Now Mac OS can just be installed on beige PC boxes, and there's nothing Mac-like about those.

No, DirectX is not a good thing. Anything M$-related is not evolution, it's de-evolution. DirectX should be snuffed out of the games market. Any developer that uses DirectX is part of the problem.

Being able to install Mac OS on a beige PC box is a good thing. As I attempted to say before, it is the operating system that makes the box a Mac, not what's undernearth or what's on the outside. I think you have me mistaken for some other kind of Mac User.

[Marathon4ever]

Al Unser Jr. Racing! That came with my Gravis 5 button joystick way back in the day. Way back. I loved that game. And the joystick.

Yeah, that was one of my favorite games. I think it was my first Mac racing game. I originally bought that game when I had a Mac that could barely run it and I had so much trouble playing it. Then, when I got a faster Mac, I played Al Unser again, and I could actually win some of the races.

[benpatient]

um...most of those games on your shelf were made when OS X didn't exist.

OS X has as much to do with the "mac experience" at the time you seem to have been really playing games as linux does.

the change from OS 6-9 to OS X was a much bigger change than the one from PPC to x86 will be, from a functional standpoint.

your "true mac" died at the turn of the century. Terribly sorry. Maybe you and Amiga boy can get together and fight over whose sprite pixels are smoother.

[whocares]

True Mac gamers only play Tetris and try to beat Woz's score.

[Rocksaurus]

No, DirectX is not a good thing. Anything M$-related is not evolution, it's de-evolution. DirectX should be snuffed out of the games market. Any developer that uses DirectX is part of the problem.

Being able to install Mac OS on a beige PC box is a good thing. As I attempted to say before, it is the operating system that makes the box a Mac, not what's undernearth or what's on the outside. I think you have me mistaken for some other kind of Mac User.

You're not taking into account what I said. For our theoretical situation that I've concocted, Direct X implementation would make your system run smoother and faster, as well as your games. Just like Intel processors do. It's an evolution, a boon, to all Mac Users, but, it's made by Microsoft. Would you still reject it given its vast, undeniable improvements to your game library and overall user and gaming experience?

[kingcrowing]

good point rockasuraus, Direct X is why the Intel/windows platform is what it is today, Direct X is what lets systems run Far Cry, F.E.A.R., Doom 3, WoW, and other games runs so smoothly, I know you may say that WoW or D3 runs great on a Mac, maybe it does, but it will always run better, with more FPS and at a higher resolution on a cheaper system than on a Mac, dont get me wrong, I'm not saying macs are bad, I'm just saying everything has its forte, its niche, and macs isn't gaming, at least not yet, and untill its as simple as developers clicking the 'OS X' box and 'Vista/XP' box, its not going to be.
And how is going to Direct X de-evolution if it makes games run smoother at a higer resoltion as he said? even if it is microsoft, it might be 'bad' but how is it de-evolution? to have these two companies working together to make games run just as well on a mac as XP? Would you be totally against microsoft and apple working together to make Direct X for mac, and then making all games both windows and OS X/intel compatiable? Therefore opening the market so that 100% of all games are mac compatiable? would that be horrible?

[AP_piano295]

You're not taking into account what I said. For our theoretical situation that I've concocted, Direct X implementation would make your system run smoother and faster, as well as your games. Just like Intel processors do. It's an evolution, a boon, to all Mac Users, but, it's made by Microsoft. Would you still reject it given its vast, undeniable improvements to your game library and overall user and gaming experience?

yes he would as he is impervious to logic.

[Marathon4ever]

good point rockasuraus, Direct X is why the Intel/windows platform is what it is today, Direct X is what lets systems run Far Cry, F.E.A.R., Doom 3, WoW, and other games runs so smoothly, I know you may say that WoW or D3 runs great on a Mac, maybe it does, but it will always run better, with more FPS and at a higher resolution on a cheaper system than on a Mac, dont get me wrong, I'm not saying macs are bad, I'm just saying everything has its forte, its niche, and macs isn't gaming, at least not yet, and untill its as simple as developers clicking the 'OS X' box and 'Vista/XP' box, its not going to be.

There is a very good reason why cheaper PCs run games faster and at higher res than Macs. It's because they were designed on an entirely different operating system and hardware set. It's not because Macs don't run games well. If you take an altivec-enhanced Mac game and port it to Windows, you'll see exactly the reverse situation taking place.


And how is going to Direct X de-evolution if it makes games run smoother at a higer resoltion as he said? even if it is microsoft, it might be 'bad' but how is it de-evolution? to have these two companies working together to make games run just as well on a mac as XP? Would you be totally against microsoft and apple working together to make Direct X for mac, and then making all games both windows and OS X/intel compatiable? Therefore opening the market so that 100% of all games are mac compatiable? would that be horrible?

First of all, there is no way that Apple would work with M$ to make DirectX for Mac. It would be one of the Mac game developers that would do a port. In fact, it's already been done for a couple of older games. But, on the Mac, it's not better than OpenGL, nor could it be. DirectX runs better on Windows because it's been coded to work with Windows. It would not work the same if it were coded on the Mac. It would be like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. Hense, de-evolution.

um...most of those games on your shelf were made when OS X didn't exist.

OS X has as much to do with the "mac experience" at the time you seem to have been really playing games as linux does.

the change from OS 6-9 to OS X was a much bigger change than the one from PPC to x86 will be, from a functional standpoint.

your "true mac" died at the turn of the century. Terribly sorry. Maybe you and Amiga boy can get together and fight over whose sprite pixels are smoother.

Huh?? Sorry, I have no idea what you are trying to argue in your post.

[GonzoRob]

"Maybe you and Amiga boy can get together and fight over whose sprite pixels are smoother."

I was joking about the Amiga, jeeeez... :)

[greatdevourer]

There is a very good reason why cheaper PCs run games faster and at higher res than Macs. It's because they were designed on an entirely different operating system and hardware set. It's not because Macs don't run games well. If you take an altivec-enhanced Mac game and port it to Windows, you'll see exactly the reverse situation taking place.

First of all, there is no way that Apple would work with M$ to make DirectX for Mac. It would be one of the Mac game developers that would do a port. In fact, it's already been done for a couple of older games. But, on the Mac, it's not better than OpenGL, nor could it be. DirectX runs better on Windows because it's been coded to work with Windows. It would not work the same if it were coded on the Mac. It would be like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. Hense, de-evolution. I have to battle this through so many people - Macs are good gaming machines. Ports suck. Look at Lugaru - beautiful game, runs like a charm. Why? Because it was designed for OSX

Part of the reason for DirectX being a de-evolution is that it is closed source, and thus stays the same for a number of years, whereas with OpenGL, whenever the companies create a new feature, it can be instantly implemented (this recently happened with a new extension for nVdia cards). Also, even if they made DirectX for other platforms, if you made a new OS, then it wouldn't work until M$ decided to port it to that new platform, whereas you can just compile the OpenGL framework into the OS

[Marathon4ever]

I have to battle this through so many people - Macs are good gaming machines. Ports suck. Look at Lugaru - beautiful game, runs like a charm. Why? Because it was designed for OSX

Part of the reason for DirectX being a de-evolution is that it is closed source, and thus stays the same for a number of years, whereas with OpenGL, whenever the companies create a new feature, it can be instantly implemented (this recently happened with a new extension for nVdia cards). Also, even if they made DirectX for other platforms, if you made a new OS, then it wouldn't work until M$ decided to port it to that new platform, whereas you can just compile the OpenGL framework into the OS

Thank you for posting this. I was getting tired of being the only person arguing with these guys.

[Rocksaurus]

You're both ignoring my theoretical set up. Let's put life in a vacuum, just for a moment so we can construct a theoretical situation which places Marathon4ever in a place where he must choose one of his two viewpoints:

1) Anything that evolves the Mac is good.

2) Anything that involves Microsoft is bad.


The theoretical situation I've constructed is one in which there is DirectX for Mac, and it runs faster than OpenGL, and it decreases the time in which it takes to port games.

Step back, for a moment, Marathon4ever and greatdevourer.

This is a situation that has just been constructed in theory - I am not making any claims whatsoever that DirectX will ever provide this to Mac users, or that this will ever happen. I am constructing a theoretical situation in which you take what I have given as true, just for the moment.

Now. Assuming in this theoretical situation where DirectX, a Microsoft product vastly improves our beloved Mac platform, is this, in your viewpoint, Marathon4ever, a bad thing or a good thing? That's my only question.

[benpatient]

my comment was in response to your statement that a Mac is a Mac because of the OS, and that there's nothing else like it.

I pointed out that at the time you were obviously buying more games for your mac, the OS was OS 9. Most of your games were out in the days of the "classic" Mac operating system.

The modern "Mac OS" has as much in common with the "real" Mac OS that you obviously were used to for a long time as oh...Windows 3.1 was in common with Debian Linux.

Maybe less.

Just because OS X has a little apple in the top-left corner and the menu bar is on top doesn't mean it is in any way related to the "mac" experience that was, until just a couple years ago, the only "True" mac experience.

My point was that you were able to easily skip from OS 9 to a completely, fundamentally different operating system. You didn't march in protest up and down Infinity Loop demanding the continued support of the "True" Mac OS.

I found that ironic, considering your nazi-like hatred of anything gaming that isn't stamped with a little chewed-on fruit.

Now. Assuming in this theoretical situation where DirectX, a Microsoft product vastly improves our beloved Mac platform, is this, in your viewpoint, Marathon4ever, a bad thing or a good thing?

TwoWords.

AppleWorks

[greatdevourer]

You're both ignoring my theoretical set up I'm not ignoring anything of yours. I dislike DirectX. I dislike it's lack of fluidity, and from this standpoint, it is something stepping in the way of evolution. Even within itself, it does not evolve for a long time, and then makes a major jump rendering everything prior to it's release outdated. This, I feel, is one of the great problems with close-source software

[Marathon4ever]

Now. Assuming in this theoretical situation where DirectX, a Microsoft product vastly improves our beloved Mac platform, is this, in your viewpoint, Marathon4ever, a bad thing or a good thing? That's my only question.

Ok, I'll play your little theoretical game for haha's.

It's a bad thing. The destruction of M$ comes first and foremost over any gains in the Mac Gaming market. There, happy now?

[kingcrowing]

Ok, I'll play your little theoretical game for haha's.

It's a bad thing. The destruction of M$ comes first and foremost over any gains in the Mac Gaming market. There, happy now?

so you are more a microsoft hater than true mac game, so shouldnt this thread be retitled 'Will the true microsoft hater please stand up?'

A REAL GAMER cares more about the games than who is involved with them, and in this theoretical situation, the only thing microsoft has done is impliment a technology for PC into the mac platform, its still OS X, and its still games made for OS X, any real gamer would care more about being able to play more games better than not having mocrosoft have anything to do with it

[Marathon4ever]

my comment was in response to your statement that a Mac is a Mac because of the OS, and that there's nothing else like it.

I pointed out that at the time you were obviously buying more games for your mac, the OS was OS 9. Most of your games were out in the days of the "classic" Mac operating system.

The modern "Mac OS" has as much in common with the "real" Mac OS that you obviously were used to for a long time as oh...Windows 3.1 was in common with Debian Linux.

Maybe less.

Although the underlying technologies in "classic" Mac OS and OS X are very very different, the two operating systems have quite a bit in common with each other. I needn't explain the commonality here since, as a Mac User, you should very familiar with what I am talking about.


Just because OS X has a little apple in the top-left corner and the menu bar is on top doesn't mean it is in any way related to the "mac" experience that was, until just a couple years ago, the only "True" mac experience.

My point was that you were able to easily skip from OS 9 to a completely, fundamentally different operating system. You didn't march in protest up and down Infinity Loop demanding the continued support of the "True" Mac OS.

I found that ironic, considering your nazi-like hatred of anything gaming that isn't stamped with a little chewed-on fruit.
You are making assumptions and putting words into my mouth. Obviously, an apple menu doesn't make an OS a Mac OS. The transition from from OS 9 to OS X wasn't as quick and smooth for me as you seem to think. I was excited by OS X from the very beginning, but I personally wasn't ready to switch until after 10.1 was released.

OS X was strange to use at first, but the more I used it, the more I liked it. Eventually, it became the same "True" Mac experience that I had grown accustomed to with the previous incarnation of the OS.

And I don't hate all other gaming besides Mac. I simply prefer to game on a Mac. I do hate all M$-related gaming, though.

so you are more a microsoft hater than true mac game, so shouldnt this thread be retitled 'Will the true microsoft hater please stand up?'

A REAL GAMER cares more about the games than who is involved with them, and in this theoretical situation, the only thing microsoft has done is impliment a technology for PC into the mac platform, its still OS X, and its still games made for OS X, any real gamer would care more about being able to play more games better than not having mocrosoft have anything to do with it
If you look, I had a post earlier in this thread where I talked of the True Mac Gamer being a combination of a die-hard Mac User and a hardcore gamer. It is being both at once, not either by itself. A real Mac gamer knows that Microsoft is the sworn enemy of Apple (as does a real Mac User), and therefore can accept no compromises when it comes to matters involving M$.

[GonzoRob]

A real Mac gamer knows that Microsoft is the sworn enemy of Apple (as does a real Mac User), and therefore can accept no compromises when it comes to matters involving M$.

Jesus, will you please read what you type? What the hell are you on about?

Ok, you are probably 13, but calm down - this IS NOT a war.
You make it sound like you would hate someone who uses a PC, and anyone with an Apple should do the same - or they arent as uber cool as you.

PC's are better for games. Full stop. People therefore sometimes buy PC's in order to have a greater selction of games.

Thre is no such thing as a TRUE mac gamer, mearly sad fanatics who fundamentally believe that Apple “image” is entwined with their self-imposed image of themselves. (If you’ve ever worked in, or read a book on, marketing you’ll realise that you are a grade A sucker and perfect marketing fodder).
Basically, all these companies (“M$" - jesus, its "Microsoft", Sony, Apple etc) like to make people “believe” that they “discovered” a product, and therefore, "believe" it a part of their unique image of “themself” . .. gettit ?


Don’t let the swine control you, flirt with the competition – it doesn’t make you a traitor, just a part of an active market.


Yes, I'm about to buy a PC..

R

[Rower_CPU]

Enough with the flamefest. Discuss things civilly or not at all, folks.