iMacs Update Rumors?

[iJon]

These are the spec they provided. They said there will be 4 models but only recieved 3. I guess this will determine how accurate their sources are. Here they are. Personally I hope the high end comes with a 64mb card for those mac people who wanna play those few games for macs they have and have them look somewhat nice. For a more in depth look go to www.looprumors.com

Fast

15-inch LCD flat screen
800MHz PowerPC G4
NVIDIA GeForce2 MX
256MB SDRAM
40GB Ultra ATA hard drive
10/100BASE-T Ethernet
DVD/CD-RW
56K internal modem
Apple Pro Speakers

Faster

17-inch LCD flat screen
867MHz PowerPC G4
NVIDIA GeForce2 MX
256MB SDRAM
80GB Ultra ATA hard drive
10/100BASE-T Ethernet
SuperDrive
Bluetooth
FireWire 800
56K internal modem
Apple Pro Speakers

Fastest

17-inch LCD flat screen
1GHz PowerPC G4
NVIDIA GeForce4 MX
512MB SDRAM
120GB Ultra ATA hard drive
10/100BASE-T Ethernet
SuperDrive
Bluetooth
FireWire 800
AirPort Extreme
56K internal modem
Apple Pro Speakers

iJon

[rainman::|:|]

Did they mention whether or not the two bottom line ones would be airport extreme ready?

This is pretty well in line with the speculation that's been going on for weeks now... so it's hard to give it any more or less credibility than the other rumors...

:)
pnw

[iJon]

Originally posted by paulwhannel
Did they mention whether or not the two bottom line ones would be airport extreme ready?

This is pretty well in line with the speculation that's been going on for weeks now... so it's hard to give it any more or less credibility than the other rumors...

:)
pnw

actually i didnt see anything there tha said that. that would be a very stupid on apples part not to do it. but im sure it would. they just may be building airport into it and just having a slot on the bottom. personnaly i think it would be dumb for apple to give away a free airport card on the imac, unless it is very very cheap. the powerbook i can understand because of mobility, but an imac i wouldnt give away for free.

iJon

[MacKid]

I don't think you have anything to worry about on the VRAM front. The top of the line with the GeForce4 MX already has 64mb, which leads you to wonder what could possibly be the speed/screen specs for the "Ultimate".;)

[iJon]

Originally posted by MacKid
I don't think you have anything to worry about on the VRAM front. The top of the line with the GeForce4 MX already has 64mb, which leads you to wonder what could possibly be the speed/screen specs for the "Ultimate".;)
read your specs again, it is 32.

iJon

[cr2sh]

I thought the 15"line was discontinued?
This rumor makes more sense with the instistance that there is an uknown fourth model to be rleased. A 133MHZ bus is pretty well represented with multipliers of 6, 6.5, and 7.5... the 7 multiplier creating a 933MHz would fill the gap.. but not really make much sense.

Who in their right mind would pay a couple hundered extra for 66MHz? It's not logical to me... unless they do a 15" 800MHz and 933MHz and then a 17" 866 and 1GHz....

[iJon]

Originally posted by cr2sh
I thought the 15"line was discontinued?
This rumor makes more sense with the instistance that there is an uknown fourth model to be rleased. A 133MHZ bus is pretty well represented with multipliers of 6, 6.5, and 7.5... the 7 multiplier creating a 933MHz would fill the gap.. but not really make much sense.

Who in their right mind would pay a couple hundered extra for 66MHz? It's not logical to me... unless they do a 15" 800MHz and 933MHz and then a 17" 866 and 1GHz....
nope the 15 was never discontinued, just the 15 inch flat panel for the powermacs. apple hasnt discontinued any imacs so far, just added more to the bunch, but that will all change here soon. i have a feeling they will released here soon, with the announcement of ilife preloaded, kind of what they did with the powermacs and jaguar.

iJon

[MacKid]

Originally posted by iJon

read your specs again, it is 32.

iJon

Uh, oops. . .:rolleyes: :cool: :)

[cr2sh]

Originally posted by iJon
nope the 15 was never discontinued, just the 15 inch flat panel for the powermacs.

I have to believe though that the 15" iMac has only a limited existance in the future... maybe I'm totally off on this, but how many people still use a 15"? Then again this is consumers we're talking about... who knows...

I agree though, I think we'll see the updates very soon.. but I don't think they'll ever reach the index page of apple.com.. I think it'll be a quiet update, with a nice little "NEW" sticker on the store page... with the PowerBook(year of the laptop) surge as of late, I really doubt that they'll push the desktops anytime soon.. We'll see though.

[Chisholm]

Originally posted by cr2sh

Who in their right mind would pay a couple hundered extra for 66MHz? It's not logical to me... unless they do a 15" 800MHz and 933MHz and then a 17" 866 and 1GHz....

Well I shelled out $1500 for 80mhz a few years back. Of course it was a computer...:p powermac 7100/80 to be exact.

cheers!
john

[Shrek]

That last model has got be a 19" with a 1.25GHz processor; it just has to be! :o

[yosoyjay]

Bluetooth and 802.11g should be standard. If this is true, it is very disappointing.

[Shrek]

Airport extreme is 802.11g. Duh. :rolleyes:

[barkmonster]

Well I shelled out $1500 for 80mhz a few years back. Of course it was a computer... powermac 7100/80 to be exact.

Ah, I can beat you're record.

£200 for 8Mhz !!!!

Of course this is £200 more than £0 and it was an Atari not a mac but at least the mouse I got with it still works after 13 years :D

[mac15]

Still only a Gforce 2mx in the mid range, I'd like to see it higher up myself. And the bottom end seems to be lacking

[Kid Red]

Originally posted by paulwhannel
Did they mention whether or not the two bottom line ones would be airport extreme ready?

This is pretty well in line with the speculation that's been going on for weeks now... so it's hard to give it any more or less credibility than the other rumors...

:)
pnw

Airport Extreme works with Airport, so because all iMacs have an airport slot, I'd venture to say 'Yes, it will have Airport Extreme support'.

[iJon]

Originally posted by Kid Red


Airport Extreme works with Airport, so because all iMacs have an airport slot, I'd venture to say 'Yes, it will have Airport Extreme support'.
well it depends how you look at it. its backwards compatible with airport but doesnt utilize all the new features that airport extreme has to offer. i would be 100% that they will replace the airport slot on the bottom of the imac with a mini pci slot. it would be so stupid if apple didnt and wouldnt make much sense.

iJon

[MacRumors]

LoopRumors claims (http://www.looprumors.com) to have specs for the upcoming iMac updates with up to 1GHz speeds as well as Firewire 800 and Bluetooth integration on all but the low end.

MacNews.net.tc also claimed similar (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2002/12/20021230122005.shtml) iMac specs and prices in late December.

Information available to MacRumors include the following: iMac updates with _slight_ speed bumps, Firewire 800, Airport Extreme-ready, ambient light screen-brightness sensor.

All the above sources (including our own) are relatively new and have no history of accurate predictions... and should be considered accordingly.

[tcmcam]

My guess is that these get announced on Jan 24/25th. Same as final ship of iLife. In addition, it allows big Super Bowl ads for them the next day.

Let's pray we also see a 19" model as part of the "4".

[pgwalsh]

Wasn't this LoopRumors rumor already posted?

[OneTraveler]

I am ready for these new iMacs...sad not to see them at MW.

ALS would be a neat new feature to have for the screen.

Bets on when they will appear?

[dricci]

A light sensor for the screen? That just doesn't seem to useful to me.. Different people will like different brightness levels. I'd rather see processor updates and a 133 MHz system bus, and a $999 flat-panel machine.

[arn]

Originally posted by pgwalsh
Wasn't this LoopRumors rumor already posted?

true... it was in the Current events. I merged the two threads now.

arn

[ibjoshua]

Originally posted by dricci
A light sensor for the screen? That just doesn't seem to useful to me.. Different people will like different brightness levels. I'd rather see processor updates and a 133 MHz system bus, and a $999 flat-panel machine.

Yeah. This may be a punt but once you've set it how you like it the sensor would maintain that relative brightness.

i_b_joshua

[MhzDoesMatter]

Not the biggest jump, but a worth while refresh only if the prices remain the same. Was looking for a new consumer system to hold me over until the Rev B of what ever new type of powermac comes later this year.

[MacFan25]

But when do you all think that we will be seeing these updates???

[Brandon Sharitt]

All these seem like perfectly reasonable specs for updates. If the iMac did get bumped to 1GHz, that would probably mean faster PowerMacs (1.4-1.5?) since Apple likes to keep a nice gap between consumer and pro lines.

[smegdude]

Originally posted by dricci
A light sensor for the screen? That just doesn't seem to useful to me.. Different people will like different brightness levels. I'd rather see processor updates and a 133 MHz system bus, and a $999 flat-panel machine.

i agree that it doesn't seem useful. The reason for laptop inclusion is that the screen can go to a lower light intensity and save on battery life. Since iMacs plug into the wall, there doesn't seem to be much point.
If they could include the glowing keys for the keyboard then that would rock, a usb keyboard with this technology would sell on its own to pc users as well as mac users.

[awulf]

I wonder if they will change the iMac's form factor like they did with the original iMac's. Will the new iMac's be slot loading in a better looking case.

Imagine the iLamp in Tangerine, Blue Berry, Grape, Strawberry and lime :D

If these upgrades are true then the Power Mac's would be left behind because they don't have 802.11g or FireWire 800. A 1 GHz iMac could make it nearly look as fast as a PM 1 GHz, Of course the PM's are dual and have a higher bus speed. Apple wouldn't really do this.
Remember the iMac G3 700 MHz, that was discontinues because the MHz rate was the same as the low end G4 iMac.

If this did happen, new much faster PM's would be coming out soon after.

But then again I could be wrong

[jholzner]

Maybe we'll see the PowerMac and iMac/eMac updated all at once. I'm sure none of the updates will be earth shattering so it may be low key. However, if they do update these models I'm sure they'll include bluetooth built in. Does anyone else think that maybe we'll see an new keyboar/mouset that is wireless and supports bluetooth? I'm sure they'll still offer the corded ones as an option. If they do, I'm gonna have to invest in a bluetooth adaptor and in a new keyboard and mouse.

[BadgerMac]

That these updates are more then meets the eye. Perhaps a change in case design or something. I suspect Apple is thinking that they have to shake up the lineup since the CPU issue is going to haunt them for most of this year.

Just for Shiznits and giggles, I'm goign to bet they intro a new design around Superbowl time.

[jettredmont]

Originally posted by smegdude


i agree that it doesn't seem useful. The reason for laptop inclusion is that the screen can go to a lower light intensity and save on battery life. Since iMacs plug into the wall, there doesn't seem to be much point.
If they could include the glowing keys for the keyboard then that would rock, a usb keyboard with this technology would sell on its own to pc users as well as mac users.

Well, it would be useful in the same way that high-end audio/video equipment allows you to dim their LED displays ... if you're working in the dark it's very hard on your eyes to have a massively bright screen in front of you. It's hard to adjust from a suntan-inducing screen glow to walking across the dark living room to grab another soda ...

BTW, that's why this feature is on the laptops, not power conservation alone. I mean, if your goal is power conservation you'll have the screen brightness almost always tuned down to its lowest setting, regardless of the ambient lighting.

[JW Pepper]

Well you have to expect these machines to have slot loaders.


Please can we have the fastest machine without a Superdrive. I need to upgrade some 700mhz CDRW iMacs and to wait a year and only get to 800mhz is really bad new indeed. All I want is 17" machines without the Superdrive for workstations, $350 extra per machine soon adds up.

Bluetooth is a great idea, airport is good for some people but not an issue in an office environment and FW800, I really don't care, FW400 is prety fast.

[Kid Red]

Originally posted by iJon

well it depends how you look at it. its backwards compatible with airport but doesnt utilize all the new features that airport extreme has to offer. i would be 100% that they will replace the airport slot on the bottom of the imac with a mini pci slot. it would be so stupid if apple didnt and wouldnt make much sense.

iJon

Ah, I see what you're saying. Well if Apple wants to sell any extreme cards or base stations all machines must support it. So I think there's a good chance the iMacs will.

[lmalave]

Originally posted by cr2sh


I have to believe though that the 15" iMac has only a limited existance in the future... maybe I'm totally off on this, but how many people still use a 15"? Then again this is consumers we're talking about... who knows...

I agree though, I think we'll see the updates very soon.. but I don't think they'll ever reach the index page of apple.com.. I think it'll be a quiet update, with a nice little "NEW" sticker on the store page... with the PowerBook(year of the laptop) surge as of late, I really doubt that they'll push the desktops anytime soon.. We'll see though.

Well, I use a 15" LCD everyday at work, and have never considered it small. I agree few people use anything smaller than 17" for CRTs, but for LCDs 15" is still standard.

[ffakr]

I don't believe this for a second.
Why?

Apple wouldn't fabricate 3 motherboards for the new systems. Notice the specs...

Fast: GF2mx, FW400 (presumably)
Faster: GF2mx, FW800
Fastest: GF4mx, FW800

That would be 3 configurations with different ASICs on the board. Hmn... doesn't sound like a good way to minimize cost does it?

the next rev will use standardized components whenever possible unless they are specifically intended to move higher margin equipment.

I suspect that apple might ship a low end mac with the same config (15", 400Mb FW, GF2mx), but that new machines will have a standard MB. It will likely be 800Mb FW, Airport Ex, and GF4MX... though a 9000Pro wouldn't be out of the question... might as well if you are designing a system that will remain stagnant for 6 months down the line.

jmho... ffakr.

[rafaelperini]

11This is what I think that will come in the new upgrades:

1 - Speed bumps like the ones mentioned here
2 - Bluetooth and Airport Extreme
3 - Firewire 2
4 - Larger HDs

What I would like to see:

1 - Slot loading drives
2 - Keyboard and screen with ambient light sensor
3 - Bluetooth mouse NOT USB!!!!!!!!!!

The big question is when???????? I hope next week, but who knows???

[Sol]

The listed updates seem very sensible but anybody who knows the specifications of the new PowerBooks could have come up with them. Unless these sources can provide photographic proof I would not pay too much attention to them.

[Tue12]

Apple's CPU-Pathetic Meter is reaching unbelievablely new lows.

12+ months to go from 700Mhz to 800Mhz.

Tsk, Tsk.

They need to reorganize their whole desktop line into choices all based on the 1.25Ghz G4.

$999 eMac, 1.25Ghz, Combo drive
$1300 eMac, 1.25Ghz, Superdrive

$1199 iMac, 1.25Ghz, Combo drive
$1500 iMac, 1.25Ghz,

$1600 PowerMac, Dual 1.25Ghz, Combo drive
$1900 PowerMac, Dual 1.25Ghz, Superdrive

That's it. Once they get a faster CPU, they replace all those models with the faster CPU. And they keep doing it until they surpass Intel and can freaking afford the luxury of stratifying their line-up.

PERIOD! G'd'mt! :)

[dguisinger]

Originally posted by ffakr
I don't believe this for a second.
Why?

Apple wouldn't fabricate 3 motherboards for the new systems. Notice the specs...

Fast: GF2mx, FW400 (presumably)
Faster: GF2mx, FW800
Fastest: GF4mx, FW800

That would be 3 configurations with different ASICs on the board. Hmn... doesn't sound like a good way to minimize cost does it?

the next rev will use standardized components whenever possible unless they are specifically intended to move higher margin equipment.

I suspect that apple might ship a low end mac with the same config (15", 400Mb FW, GF2mx), but that new machines will have a standard MB. It will likely be 800Mb FW, Airport Ex, and GF4MX... though a 9000Pro wouldn't be out of the question... might as well if you are designing a system that will remain stagnant for 6 months down the line.

jmho... ffakr.

Not nessecarly. A lot of chipmakers plan ahead and their pinouts stay the same between changes. Remember the 2MX and 4MX are based on GeForce 2 designs. And FW800 vs FW400 isn't so hard. I would have to beleive that apple's new chipset has FW800 built in, but they just don't solder on the port if the machine doesn't include it. Haven't you ever seen adapter cards where only half of the ports are actually installed? Same thing. Its one design, but you can have several configurations in the end. It doesn't cost Apple much more then because the boards are identical in design, but can operate with a port or two not actually soldered in place.

[nickmcghie]

Originally posted by rafaelperini
This is what I think that will come in the new upgrades:

1 - Speed bumps like the ones mentioned here
2 - Bluetooth and Airport Extreme
3 - Firewire 2
4 - Larger HDs

What I would like to see:

1 - Slot loading drives
2 - Keyboard and screen with ambient light sensor
3 - USB mouse

The big question is when???????? I hope next week, but who knows???

You'd like to see a USB mouse?? Well, you're in luck! Apple now includes a USB mouse with any desktop you purchase from them! In fact, I think they've been doing this for a few years now ;)

[dguisinger]

Originally posted by Tue12
Apple's CPU-Pathetic Meter is reaching unbelievablely new lows.

12+ months to go from 700Mhz to 800Mhz.

Tsk, Tsk.

They need to reorganize their whole desktop line into choices all based on the 1.25Ghz G4.

$999 eMac, 1.25Ghz, Combo drive
$1300 eMac, 1.25Ghz, Superdrive

$1199 iMac, 1.25Ghz, Combo drive
$1500 iMac, 1.25Ghz,

$1600 PowerMac, Dual 1.25Ghz, Combo drive
$1900 PowerMac, Dual 1.25Ghz, Superdrive

That's it. Once they get a faster CPU, they replace all those models with the faster CPU.

PERIOD! G'd'mt! :)

I somehow think that wouldn't go over well at Apple. Apple pays a premium for the junk CPUs motorola provides, because when it comes down to it......Motorola only makes a handful, they don't get as low in pricing as Pentium or Athlon chips.

A better idea would be make the power line more NLX motherboard complaint. NLX was an awsome design that never caught on in the PC world, where there was a riser card and the mainboard....however unlike the older Packard Hell computers or Compaqs where the riser card plugged into the motherboard.....in NLX, the motherboard plugs into the riser card. That way, all the drive cables, connectors on the back of the machine, etc were in the riser card.......and the riser card connected to the MB over a PCI bus. The idea being, you can slide your motherboard out and replace it in a matter of seconds.

Why should Apple do this? Apple NEEDS to show what machines are coming in the future......they need to announce the 970 months in advance to gear people up. In the world of business, people don't wait to buy, they buy when they need it.......and if you need more CPU power right now, you go Intel or AMD.

HOWEVER......If Apple were to announce the 970 was coming in say 9 months, and release new PowerMacs now that were upgradable....some of those customers would stick with the Mac as their investment is more likely to fulfil their need after the upgrade, and they wouldnt have to reinvest in software.

Again, because the two boards connect over PCI, the chipset and ram are self contained on the removable motherboard, removing the problem of incompatable front side busses! Infact, the southbridge in this configuration is usually on the daughter card so that the perhipheral configuration doesn't change, only the CPU/Northbridge.

Personally, I think this would be wise for Apple. As long as its Apple upgrade hardware, they make money 2x on the machine, and they don't lose more users then they have to.

Of course some people will not buy right away and wait for the 970 because of an announcement like that........BUT......whats worse, someone holding off, or someone jumping ship?

[Freg3000]

Originally posted by Tue12

They need to reorganize their whole desktop line into choices all based on the 1.25Ghz G4.

$999 eMac, 1.25Ghz, Combo drive
$1300 eMac, 1.25Ghz, Superdrive

$1199 iMac, 1.25Ghz, Combo drive
$1500 iMac, 1.25Ghz,

$1600 PowerMac, Dual 1.25Ghz, Combo drive
$1900 PowerMac, Dual 1.25Ghz, Superdrive



Well, if this were the case, I think Apple would sell a whole lot more eMacs, and a whole lot less Powermacs. This idea is simply not practical. Apple is just doing what they can with the crappy hand Motorola has dealt them.

[Spock]

I would like to see the iMac have FW 800, Gigabite E/Net,1GhZ G4
Airport X,and a Slot Loading Superdrive and lower the case size an inch.

[awulf]

Originally posted by jholzner
Does anyone else think that maybe we'll see an new keyboar/mouset that is wireless and supports bluetooth? I'm sure they'll still offer the corded ones as an option. If they do, I'm gonna have to invest in a bluetooth adaptor and in a new keyboard and mouse.

Weren't there rumours a while back where apple was developing a Bluetooth keyboards and a two button Bluetooth mouse, Which can also be connected via wire (USB) to recharge the batteries? If Apple did this then the keyboards will most likely not glow, unless plugged in, other wise the battery wouldn't last long.

Wouldn't there be third party blue tooth keyboards and mice around?

[TMay]

I kind of get the impression that Apple wants to be at 16:10 for the bulk of their product lines. If you assume that, you get a screen size of 12.72 inch x 7.85 inch. If you figure 32 bit data, that works out to 1280 x 800 at 100 dpi. A bit odd, but, if there was the ability to rotate the screen 90 degrees, ala the old Radius display, this might be quite a coup, ie, a full page display.

I think this would be very useful for a 15 inch, though it might be too expensive to incorporate.

I don't look for this feature though.

[Nebrie]

Originally posted by smegdude


i agree that it doesn't seem useful. The reason for laptop inclusion is that the screen can go to a lower light intensity and save on battery life. Since iMacs plug into the wall, there doesn't seem to be much point.
If they could include the glowing keys for the keyboard then that would rock, a usb keyboard with this technology would sell on its own to pc users as well as mac users.

Probably because they are giving the iMac keyboards that capability, and since it would cost nothing to make the iMac screen do that too since all the hardware and os code is already there, what the heck.

[The Grimace]

This is something I don't understand. This, in fact, is the one feature I don't like about our iMac DV. I'd much prefer a tray-loader; when something goes wrong they are easier to deal with. The drive on my machine has been mis-behaving for about the last 6 months; it often takes multiple attempts to get it to eject. A couple of weeks ago a disc became stuck part way through the eject process, and I had to forcibly shut it down and restart it in order to get it to stop 'whining', as it were. Then, it took a couple of more attempts to get it to eject; what a pain. Give me a tray any day.

However, I REALLY like the look of the 'faster'; we're gonna be in the market for a new iMac come tax-return time, and that particular model is lookin' pretty good.

(tig)

[vniow]

Originally posted by TMay
I kind of get the impression that Apple wants to be at 16:10 for the bulk of their product lines. If you assume that, you get a screen size of 12.72 inch x 7.85 inch. If you figure 32 bit data, that works out to 1280 x 800 at 100 dpi. A bit odd, but, if there was the ability to rotate the screen 90 degrees, ala the old Radius display, this might be quite a coup, ie, a full page display.

I think this would be very useful for a 15 inch, though it might be too expensive to incorporate.

I don't look for this feature though.

Samsung (who makes the LCDs in Apple displays) is producing notebook displays with that exact same resolution among many others.

clikey (http://www.samsungelectronics.com/semiconductors/search/datasheet.jsp?family=590)

[phampton81]

I would like to see the iMac have FW 800, Gigabite E/Net,1GhZ G4
Airport X,and a Slot Loading Superdrive and lower the case size an inch.

Yes, and I would like to see them have dual processors as well, then drop the whole built in screen thing. Then maybe they could change the name too, it could be called the Powermac.

[yosoyjay]

Originally posted by Shrek
Airport extreme is 802.11g. Duh. :rolleyes:

If you'll look at the supposed specs for 'Fast' there is no mention of Bluetooth or Airport Extreme. And under 'Faster' there is no mention of Airport Extreme. Duh. :rolleyes:

[i_am_a_cow]

Originally posted by dricci
A light sensor for the screen? That just doesn't seem to useful to me.. Different people will like different brightness levels. I'd rather see processor updates and a 133 MHz system bus, and a $999 flat-panel machine.

;) a light sensor could really prolong the life of a flat panel display. ;)

:o oh yeah, i want a 2-button bluetooth mouse w/scroll (and a pager so it doesn't get lost), and a 3d lcd screen, which apple is currently researching (it would be awesome with warcraft 3). :D

[Centris 650]

I've been thinking, and the same idea has been hinted at in this thread and others, IS Apple heading for a "wireless" iMac? With Bluetooth becoming standard (and wireless networking aka airport doing well) why not exploit that technology and make it that much cooler? If this happend then the only cord you'd really need to plug in is the power cord.

Now, before you think I'm crazy think about. When the original iMac came out one of the main features that was touted was the simplicity of hooking it up and getting online in under 5 minutes. Now they could get online under 3!

I think it would be very cool. :cool:

[Phil Of Mac]

Originally posted by smegdude

If they could include the glowing keys for the keyboard then that would rock, a usb keyboard with this technology would sell on its own to pc users as well as mac users.

Only if they made a PC version. Mac and PC keyboards are in different formats.

And didn't Steve say iLife would be bundled with every new computer?

[iJed]

I'd like to see the following on the new iMacs:


1 GHz+ G4 CPU on the best machine

At least 133MHz system bus

GeForce 4MX on the low end, Radeon 9000 on the middle machines and a GeForce 4 Titanium on the best option. There is no reason why Apple cannot do this since so many PC makes do it for a fraction of the price of a GeForce 2MX iMac.

All 17" screens apart from the cheapest model

256M DDR RAM on low end. 512+ on all others. Even if DDR is not properly supported the name alone will help sell the machine.

AirPort Extreme

BlueTooth

FireWire 800

Power switch, USB and FireWire on the front.

TV card option. You can now get a Bt8xx PCI card for less than £30 (~$45?) which works a little in a PowerMac using XTV. Surely Apple could include these chips for a couple of $s.

Bigger disks

A small price cut would be welcome



I would also like to see a new eMac with the following:



A huge price cut!

Top out at 1GHz

133MHz system bus

GeForce 4MX on all models

256M RAM on all but best model which would have 512M

AirPort Extreme

BlueTooth

FireWire 800

USB and FireWire on the front



I'd actually rather see the eMac replaced with a cheaper pizza-box style machine which could be bought without a monitor. Then there would be a Mac, other than the PowerMac (and PB), that is useful to people who already own a larger/better monitor.

[reyesmac]

I wonder what it would take for Apple to give us at least last years Powermac speed on even the most expensive iMac? I am talking the same VRAM, same bus speed, same type ram, and same amount of on chip cache as a powermac that is a year or 1.5 years old. It still wouldnt be fast enough on paper for switchers but it would make the faithfull a little bit happier.
They even had to cripple the chip on the 12in powermac so it is slower than the more expensive high end ibook. They always do things like that. Why take the time and money to cripple something rather than using the same parts from an older mac?

[ibjoshua]

Originally posted by reyesmac

They even had to cripple the chip on the 12in powermac so it is slower than the more expensive high end ibook. They always do things like that. Why take the time and money to cripple something rather than using the same parts from an older mac?

huh?
The 12" PB is an 867MHz G4 and the top iBook is an 800MHz G3.

i_b_joshua

[RBMaraman]

My brother got a 17" iMac for Christmas, and I have to say that the screen is amazing. A 19" screen would look out of place. Apple has always done a good job of keeping a distinction between the Pro line and the Consumer line. A 19" iMac would give people the impression that it is a Pro machine. I don't think a 19" will happen.

What I do question, though, is the implementation of FireWire 800. The PowerBook is a Pro machine, so, I wouldn't expect FireWire 2 on the iMac until the PowerMac gets it.

Just my $.02

[bigizzy]

Originally posted by nickmcghie


You'd like to see a USB mouse?? Well, you're in luck! Apple now includes a USB mouse with any desktop you purchase from them! In fact, I think they've been doing this for a few years now ;)

Well he actually said "3 - Bluetooth mouse NOT USB!!!!!!!!!!"

[imamacguy17]

15"
800 MHZ
Nvida GeForce 4 MX
256 MB RAM
133 MHZ FSB
40 Gig HD
CD-RW
($1099)

15"
800 MHZ
Nvida GeForce4 MX
256 MB RAM
133 MHZ FSB
40 Gig HD
Combo drive
($1299)

17"
933 MHZ
Nvida GeForce4 MX
256 MB RAM
133 MHZ FSB
60 Gig HD
Super Drive
($1699)

17"
1GHZ
Radeon 9000
512 MB RAM
133 MHZ FSB
80 Gig HD
Super Drive
FW800
($1899)

blue tooth across the board Airport Extreme across the board this is the most likely scenario.

[rainman::|:|]

i think a lot of us are wondering about AE support (and no, Kid Red, AE and Airport support are not the same thing - don't get sarcastic unless you know what you're talking about) because generally Apple lists support for these things in the Features list, and whoever compiled that did not list it. It's *probably* fair to say that if Apple shipped a top-line iMac with AE card included, the bottom-line models would include the new slot, but hey, you never know!

i'd love to see an ambient light sensor, because it costs a whole 50¢ (i'm guessing) to impliment, and it's a cool feature, besides saving your eyes some strain when you're using an iMac in a dark room-- your eyes don't need backlighting that bright, they probably don't like it...

:)
pnw

[Hawthorne]

There is no way Apple is introducing a "Ambient-light sensing display".

Apple is king in the graphic design field, and designers (well, GOOD designers :) ) rely on an accurately calibrated monitor to gauge the colours of their work, and a monitor that changes it's brightness is NOT something useful to them.

[yosoyjay]

Originally posted by paulwhannel


i'd love to see an ambient light sensor, because it costs a whole 50¢ (i'm guessing) to impliment, and it's a cool feature, besides saving your eyes some strain when you're using an iMac in a dark room-- your eyes don't need backlighting that bright, they probably don't like it...

:)
pnw

This is actually very easy and cheap to implement, all you need is a cheap-o depot photodetector and i port. It would be really simple to make a program to control how it would alter the backlight. I'm assuming this would be part of System Preferences and may be included in a OS update. Perhaps this is the reason the 17" PB were using OS X 10.2.4.

[rainman::|:|]

yes, of course the ambient light sensor would have to be software controlled, so people could enable or disable or perhaps configure it as they chose. Do standard photoelectric sensors operate at different levels, or just one? that's why i wasn't sure of the cost. I'd imagine there would be a nifty new control pane for it, probably one of many tweaks in 10.2.4... it would certainly explain the 17" running it...

any "good designer" should be using a PowerMac, the ability to disable the sensor notwithstanding. And since the 17" PowerBook is in the pro line, it's made for designers, too, and it already has this feature. Calibration is not a good reason why we won't see this feature, IMHO.

:)
pnw

[reyesmac]

Originally posted by i_b_joshua


huh?
The 12" PB is an 867MHz G4 and the top iBook is an 800MHz G3.

i_b_joshua

If you want to see why I said what I said, read this article and look at the early tests from barefeats.com.
http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2003Jan/bch20030116018186.htm

The 12in powerbook internals are not the same as the 15in powerbook when it was at 800mhz. It is basically an iBook motherboard with some upgrades like AE.
The new 867mhz machine is slower than the 800mhz G4 powerbook. It also was slower than the iBook 800mhz on a few things as well.
With Apple, it does not matter what the Mhz rating says, they can make them go as slow as they want to so that they dont take away sales from their most expensive models. Thats what Apple has always done. They do it with ram, bus speeds, and on chip L2 and L3 cache.

[NicoMan]

Originally posted by paulwhannel
i think a lot of us are wondering about AE support (and no, Kid Red, AE and Airport support are not the same thing - don't get sarcastic unless you know what you're talking about)
I agree with you here. First, I think it has been established that the computers have to be made Airport Extreme ready for you anyone to have an Airport Extreme card. The 2 slots are not compatible. Second, I think that Apple need to move their entire line to Airport Extreme: it doesn't matter if people don't use it, it is nice in the list of specs (especially when they highlight the line on the Apple Store...). Plus I am not sure they will go on producing Airport cards. My guess is that every new computer (I mean product updates) from now on should be Airport Extreme ready.

Now to the matter of graphics cards. I cannot believe that they will go on with the geforce2mx and geforce4mx. How are you gonna get games designer to produce games on the Mac (which is part of the overall experience) to people who like to play a game or 2 once in a while (we are talking about consumer lines here) when they can get 20 to 25 fps in UT2003 at best. Goddamn it!!!

(OK I am getting a little worked up on a rumour but it is frustrating if true)

NicoMan

[thies]

FW800, Airport Extreme and so on for iMacs? don't think so. The above are features of the pro machines, notthe ENTRY LEVEL imacs. keep in mind that not even the new PB12 has either FW800 or all the ambient light stuff. believing those things will now show up in cheap imacs is ridiculous.

[OSeXy!]

Originally posted by vniow


Samsung (who makes the LCDs in Apple displays) is producing notebook displays with that exact same resolution among many others.

clikey (http://www.samsungelectronics.com/semiconductors/search/datasheet.jsp?family=590)
Hmm. Interesting link. "Mass production Q1'03" on that screen.
And what about this one (http://www.samsungelectronics.com/semiconductors/TFT_LCD/Note_PC/Compact/LTN154WSXGA/ltn154wsxga.htm) ? New 15.4" AlBook, anyone?

[msxgames]

Just re-adjusting price from iMacguy 17 to Euros + 30% (the current rip-off):

15"
800 MHZ
Nvida GeForce 4 MX
256 MB RAM
133 MHZ FSB
40 Gig HD
CD-RW
(€1,428) = 10% lower than current CD-RW.

15"
800 MHZ
Nvida GeForce4 MX
256 MB RAM
133 MHZ FSB
40 Gig HD
Combo drive
(€1,688) = 13% lower than current 15" Combo

17"
933 MHZ
Nvida GeForce4 MX
256 MB RAM
133 MHZ FSB
60 Gig HD
Super Drive
(€2,209) = 17% lower than current 17" Superdrive

17"
1GHZ
Radeon 9000
512 MB RAM
133 MHZ FSB
80 Gig HD
Super Drive
FW800
(€2,468) = Still 7% lower than current 17" Superdrive


I JUST DON'T BELIEVE THIS IS REALISTIC. Now, it would be great if price in Europe would be aligned with US price + 20% VAT instead of 30%!!!

[Centris 650]

I don't know if anyone has realized it but isn't 2003 the 5th anniverary of the iMac line? Could Steve-O be planning something to celebrate half a decade with his revolutionary computer?

[NicoMan]

Originally posted by thies
FW800, Airport Extreme and so on for iMacs? don't think so. The above are features of the pro machines, notthe ENTRY LEVEL imacs. keep in mind that not even the new PB12 has either FW800 or all the ambient light stuff. believing those things will now show up in cheap imacs is ridiculous.
I don't think we will get FW800 in the iMacs. But Airport Extreme, yeah! Ambient light stuff and Bluetooth, maybe on high-end models, but I wouldn't bet on it.

NicoMan

[chubakka]

Ummm... and a graphic designer would never work on an iMac... we need a 19" screen minimum. So a light sensor isn't out of the question.

[jgp]

I agree with msxgames on thier specs. More and more people are becoming aware that Apple is not getting the chip support it needs to keep up with Wintel. Therefore, the only other way to compete until new chips come on line is to increase the buss speed and graphics display. I have heard that Apple will be increasing iMac buss speed to 133 and using the GeForce4 across the line. I also believe that they will be putting in dual processors into at least one iMac. So where does this leave the high end desktops? Hard to say, and they may not be releasing new ones for several more months. My prediction is a much higher buss speed (250 range) with up to four CPUs with Panther. If they can do it, they will be in a good position to overtake Wintel once thier chip speeds do increase.

[NicoMan]

Originally posted by jgp
using the GeForce4 across the line. I also believe that they will be putting in dual processors into at least one iMac
Well Geforce4 across the line it is not: It is GeForce4 MX (i.e. crap...). Give me Radeon 9500 or GeForce4 Ti. Those 17" are 1440*900 hence you need a decent card to play games in native res, especially 3d games. The iMac is a consumer machine, and as such needs to be catering for gamers (maybe not hardcore gamers: they are on PeeCee anyway).

NicoMan

[Sol]

I like the idea of dual processor iMacs and this is a possibility for this year's update. After all, PowerMacs sport dual processors across the line and who would have expected that?

A 19" screen would look out of place on a consumer machine and I also think that it would compromise the current form-factor ie. it might need a bigger and heavier base.

FireWire 800 still lacks the killer app and unless Apple starts selling a digital device that takes advantage of this new technology, I doubt that it would make sense to have it in iMacs yet.

Keyboards with backlighting would be pretty but not very functional. Unlike the enviroment of a laptop, a desktop computer is likely to be near a light-source. Gamers might get a kick out of it though.

As for Bluetooth and Airport Extreme, I guess these would be a way to future-proof the current line-up. I wonder if the current iMacs (and all the other G4 machines so far) will have options for Airport Extreme. On the new powerbooks a smaller card is utilised and I fear the same will be done to the desktops.

[MikeH]

I'd have thought DP iMacs unlikely, have you seen the size of the heatsink on PowerMacs? There simply wouldn't be the room to cool two processers without a major rethink.

I say keep the tray loading drives (far less hassle than slot loading) and 64mb at least for the graphics.

[pgwalsh]

Originally posted by MikeH
I'd have thought DP iMacs unlikely, have you seen the size of the heatsink on PowerMacs? There simply wouldn't be the room to cool two processers without a major rethink.

I say keep the tray loading drives (far less hassle than slot loading) and 64mb at least for the graphics. I totally agree. I do think an upgraded bus, memory, 800fw etc would be expected. I'd like to see the I'mac sport a wireless keyboard and mouse along with wireless speakers. I'm still rooting for the Patriot iMac. Make a special edition iMac that has a painted flag across the monitor and the base at an angle.

[aka]

The thrust of the switcher campaign is to convert PC users from the dark side. The cost of a PM + monitor is not attractive to residential PC users who can get much faster machines for much less $.

If Apple dumbs down the next version of i-macs by not including FW2, bluetooth, and Airport Extreme (at least as an options) then not only are they sabotaging the switcher campaign but also are being disrespectful to the mac faithfull.

If Apple releases the next i-macs including FW2, BT, AE etc. sales will be brisk and prolonged.

I'm hoping the 19 inch i-mac is an option.

[Shrek]

Originally posted by yosoyjay


If you'll look at the supposed specs for 'Fast' there is no mention of Bluetooth or Airport Extreme. And under 'Faster' there is no mention of Airport Extreme. Duh. :rolleyes:

And I am praying that Apple will incorporate Airport extreme in all iMacs across the board. Those Loop specs are just rumors, btw. Duh. :rolleyes:

[pgwalsh]

Originally posted by aka
The thrust of the switcher campaign is to convert PC users from the dark side. The cost of a PM + monitor is not attractive to residential PC users who can get much faster machines for much less $. That may be true for a good portion of PC users, but not for all. For example, my sister and her husband just asked me to help them buy a mac. One works for Cisco the other for adobe. They have work laptops, but nothing at home. Neither is very computers savvy. One is a lawyer and the other does mergers and acquisitions. Granted they make quite a bit of money between the two of them, but this is a good example of a PC user fed up with the PC world.

They could buy a dell PC, which they've don in the past, but they're opting for an iMac or PowerMac. I recommended the iMac, as they just want to use it with their iPod, digital camera, and digital video camera. They're buying it for two reasons. Ease of use and looks very cool. They're tired of using windows. They don't know what software to buy. Though my sister works at adobe, she finds apple's software easier to use because it's consumer oriented.

Speed is not as much of a concern to them as it would be for me. They want something easy to use that does the basic fun stuff they like to do at home.

[rainman::|:|]

Originally posted by pgwalsh
I totally agree. I do think an upgraded bus, memory, 800fw etc would be expected. I'd like to see the I'mac sport a wireless keyboard and mouse along with wireless speakers. I'm still rooting for the Patriot iMac. Make a special edition iMac that has a painted flag across the monitor and the base at an angle.

are you high? :D wireless speakers? what the hell is the point of that? you'd have to either plug them into a power source, or plug them into a charger every night, then come unplug them from the charger and set them back by your computer. Speakers are stationary objects that would in no way benefit from being wireless...

and a painted flag? i'm just going to assume you're kidding with this one...

:) hehe
pnw

[rainman::|:|]

Originally posted by Sol
Keyboards with backlighting would be pretty but not very functional. Unlike the enviroment of a laptop, a desktop computer is likely to be near a light-source. Gamers might get a kick out of it though.

Agreed with everything in your post but this. We have not been discussing light-up keyboards, we've been discussing the OTHER feature that ambient light sensors provide the Powerbook with... an LCD backlight that adjusts to accomodate the light level of the room.

A light-up keyboard would be kind of cool, but rather pointless, like you said. It's a pretty fair bet that Apple wouldn't do this.

pnw

[pgwalsh]

Originally posted by paulwhannel


are you high? :D wireless speakers? what the hell is the point of that? you'd have to either plug them into a power source, or plug them into a charger every night, then come unplug them from the charger and set them back by your computer. Speakers are stationary objects that would in no way benefit from being wireless...

and a painted flag? i'm just going to assume you're kidding with this one...

:) hehe
pnw
Yes, I'm very high on life. Wireless speakers need very little power. They're more common in home sound systems. Just think if the iMac had 5.1 surround and you had wireless speaker for the rear. Then you could place them on a shelf or somewhere and not worry about the wires dangling all over.

I am serious about a patriot Mac. As it may not apeal to you, it does to me. Part of a flag beneath the plastic on the back of th monitor (at an angle) and part of a flag on the base. Keep the white, but have the flag cover most of it. I think it would look cool, obviously you don't.

[jelloshotsrule]

Originally posted by pgwalsh



I am serious about a patriot Mac. As it may not apeal to you, it does to me. Part of a flag beneath the plastic on the back of th monitor (at an angle) and part of a flag on the base. Keep the white, but have the flag cover most of it. I think it would look cool, obviously you don't.

so paint it or get some stickers... you can't actually expect apple to create such a specialized item.....

[pgwalsh]

Originally posted by jelloshotsrule


so paint it or get some stickers... you can't actually expect apple to create such a specialized item..... You're right, I can't expect it, nor do I. But I think it would be cool. If I were, I'd have a professional air brush it or something. The actual chances of me getting an iMac are slim to none anyway as I'm more of a PowerMac user.

[MhzDoesMatter]

any one else thinking (alright, hoping) that Steve has developed a rather devil-may-care attitude about cannibalizing sales with better computers temporarily until better models come out? Because there is obviously going to be a sizable drop in sales of 15 inch powerbooks and 12 inch ibooks until the models are updated or refreshed. It might be a better for the company to just forge ahead with a line up of the best models they can make in certain divisions until the others catch up.

Personally, I'd love to wake up one day, check the apple sites and see that they just released a bad ass flat panel iMac. For one, it would mean I could have a great consumer system. And while it might eat some PM sales, it would be a sign that better pro-computers are in the pipeline


-Hz

[Ramsaid]

Originally posted by pgwalsh

I am serious about a patriot Mac. As it may not apeal to you, it does to me. Part of a flag beneath the plastic on the back of th monitor (at an angle) and part of a flag on the base. Keep the white, but have the flag cover most of it. I think it would look cool, obviously you don't.


I think you found yourself a niche market - iMac skins. Patriot theme, jaguar fur, black, chrome, biege (well maybe not beige).

I probably wouldn't be interested but others may.

[pgwalsh]

Originally posted by Ramsaid



I think you found yourself a niche market - iMac skins. Patriot theme, jaguar fur, black, chrome, biege (well maybe not beige).

I probably wouldn't be interested but others may. Yea, I was thinking the british flag would be cool too.

[SwitchHitter]

So, it seems someone would know if next week Apple is going to announce the line-up of new imacs. Certainly there's got to be a little bit of leakage around that?!

Anyone from Apple care to comment? I DESPERATELY WANT to buy an iMac, and make the 'switch' from the PC.

Although technically, I'll be Bi, since I'll still use the PC for work, but everything else will be iMac..

I"m getting a tad tired of waiting.... tap tap tap.

[The Grimace]

Didn't Apple recently apply for a patent for some type of electro-sensitive 'shell'? (Yeah, I know, but it's been a long day... My brain is in sleep mode).

(tig)

[jelloshotsrule]

i want the confederate flag! and they should also allow you to personalize... submit a 1024 x 768 image of what you want your imac to have on it, and you're good to go. at least 300 dpi for good quality.

haha

i would imagine either the new imacs will be update at the same time, after or very briefly before the new pmacs, or they won't have airport extreme/ fw 800.... as i think that'd be bad for the powermacs, if only in appearance when you compare the specs. not to mention that the mhz are getting pretty close too... especially if they take it up to a gig...

[pkradd]

15" Screens are still popular. Dell and HP sell them in flat panel (although the Dell version isn't as good as the iMac). Remember it's equivalent to a 17" CRT. Look for an entry level iMac 15" at $999.00. It will not include a PC slot. (That's not Apple's style for consumer machines - and it's not "stupid"). It will be Airport Extreme ready, which means you have to buy the card. The other iMacs will be 17" and the top of the line iMac may have the Airport Extreme card bundled. Product will be introduced in February (after iApps and Jag update are ready). These are my guesses.

[-hh]

Originally posted by paulwhannel


are you high? :D wireless speakers? what the hell is the point of that? you'd have to either plug them into a power source, or plug them into a charger every night, then come unplug them from the charger and set them back by your computer. Speakers are stationary objects that would in no way benefit from being wireless...

Actually, I can see some value in the idea:

Make the speakers wireless for configuration/signal purposes, but not necessarily for power, and you've cut by 50% the number of generic wires in the setup.

If you want to really get elegant about it, you configure your new iMacs to have two standard "5v" power jacks on them, which you use to plug your speakers into for power.

This design elegance means that the customer no longer has to crawl around on the floor to plug in one of those klunky 2" brick transformers into his 110vac power strip. I mean, doesn't everyone absolutely loathe these stupid bricks, if for no other reason than their width also blocks off adjacent 110vac outlets on said power strip?

Design elegance is only using a single 110vac wall outlet to hook up everything, without resorting to a $5 power strip and the tangle of wires they always attract.

FWIW, for my system at home right now, between the brick for my speakers, USB hub, external ZIP, scanner, etc, I need something like 7 power outlets to hook everything up, plus another 3-4 "holes" due to those blasted brick transformers. And all combined, its still well under 10 amps, so technologically, it could be integrated down to a single plug.


-hh

[Centris 650]

Originally posted by -hh


Actually, I can see some value in the idea:

Make the speakers wireless for configuration/signal purposes, but not necessarily for power, and you've cut by 50% the number of generic wires in the setup.

If you want to really get elegant about it, you configure your new iMacs to have two standard "5v" power jacks on them, which you use to plug your speakers into for power.

This design elegance means that the customer no longer has to crawl around on the floor to plug in one of those klunky 2" brick transformers into his 110vac power strip. I mean, doesn't everyone absolutely loathe these stupid bricks, if for no other reason than their width also blocks off adjacent 110vac outlets on said power strip?

Design elegance is only using a single 110vac wall outlet to hook up everything, without resorting to a $5 power strip and the tangle of wires they always attract.

FWIW, for my system at home right now, between the brick for my speakers, USB hub, external ZIP, scanner, etc, I need something like 7 power outlets to hook everything up, plus another 3-4 "holes" due to those blasted brick transformers. And all combined, its still well under 10 amps, so technologically, it could be integrated down to a single plug.


-hh

EXACTLY! I really think Apple is going to head in this direction, though I doubt wireless speakers will be next. I really think and can see Apple coming out with a wireless keyboard and mouse. Like I've said before they really touted the lack of cords with the original iMac. (Remember the "Out of the Box and onto the internet in 5 Miniutes" commercials?) Bluetooth technology in the new macs really makes this possible.

Also, this would be a diversion tactic. While processor speeds might not get a major boost this would be a really high "coolness" factor and something to set it apart from PCs.

[Phil Of Mac]

Airport Extreme isn't a "pro feature", it's second-gen AirPort--and AirPort was introduced on a "consumer" machine, the iBook.

[hvfsl]

If Apple ever wants to get above 10% of the computer market (they are at 3% now, behind linux) they need to make faster and cheaper computers. These new iMacs are not as fast as mid-range PCs and cost more. For a start Apple could make the ATI 9000pro as standard accross the range and a Nvidia Geforce 4Ti or Radeon 9700 in the high end. Also Apple still has no support for more than two speakers and having a sound card like the Creative Audigy would increase system performance by 10-20% (it does on my PC).

[orthodoc]

Regarding airport extreme: since you can't buy the previous airport base station on apple's website, I would assume that all new hardware will include airport extreme capabilities. If the new iMacs don't have AE, I will be shocked. :cool:

[rainman::|:|]

Originally posted by orthodoc
Regarding airport extreme: since you can't buy the previous airport base station on apple's website, I would assume that all new hardware will include airport extreme capabilities. If the new iMacs don't have AE, I will be shocked. :cool:

Good point. Plus the costs would be kept down by keeping a standardized internal design, so they don't have to worry about anything but processor speeds.

I would like to see the iMac be cable-ready, as someone here suggested. That way, you could watch regular TV, or get a $30 modulator to hook up component video if you needed it (and since you can already play DVDs, and iMac users wouldn't need as much video editing capability, it'd make sense)... i realize it's not something that would ever happen again, but they should think about it. Digital hub and all that.

[gooddog]

Originally posted by iJon
These are the spec they provided. They said there will be 4 models but only recieved 3. I guess this will determine how accurate their sources are. Here they are. Personally I hope the high end comes with a 64mb card for those mac people who wanna play those few games for macs they have and have them look somewhat nice. For a more in depth look go to www.looprumors.com

Fast

15-inch LCD flat screen
800MHz PowerPC G4
NVIDIA GeForce2 MX
256MB SDRAM
40GB Ultra ATA hard drive
10/100BASE-T Ethernet
DVD/CD-RW
56K internal modem
Apple Pro Speakers

Faster

17-inch LCD flat screen
867MHz PowerPC G4
NVIDIA GeForce2 MX
256MB SDRAM
80GB Ultra ATA hard drive
10/100BASE-T Ethernet
SuperDrive
Bluetooth
FireWire 800
56K internal modem
Apple Pro Speakers

Fastest

17-inch LCD flat screen
1GHz PowerPC G4
NVIDIA GeForce4 MX
512MB SDRAM
120GB Ultra ATA hard drive
10/100BASE-T Ethernet
SuperDrive
Bluetooth
FireWire 800
AirPort Extreme
56K internal modem
Apple Pro Speakers

iJon


***************

The fourth one is the one I want : 19" screen.

---gooddog

[MacKid]

Originally posted by The Grimace
Didn't Apple recently apply for a patent for some type of electro-sensitive 'shell'? (Yeah, I know, but it's been a long day... My brain is in sleep mode).

(tig)

You're about 3/4 right. It was technically a patent for Dynamic Ornamental Appearance (whatever that is) which was apparently something that let you change the color of your computer.;)

[MacKid]

Originally posted by orthodoc
Regarding airport extreme: since you can't buy the previous airport base station on apple's website, I would assume that all new hardware will include airport extreme capabilities. If the new iMacs don't have AE, I will be shocked. :cool:

Actually, new AirPort Extreme Base Stations support old cards.:)

[orthodoc]

Originally posted by MacKid


Actually, new AirPort Extreme Base Stations support old cards.:)

You are correct, but I would still be surprised if all new hardware wasn't capable of using this technology. I would hate to buy an airport base station and not be able to use the 54 mbs simply because Apple chose to limit AE to the new powerbooks. If this was the case, Apple should still give people the option to buy the previous airport base station for $149.

Just a thought.

[MacKid]

Originally posted by orthodoc


You are correct, but I would still be surprised if all new hardware wasn't capable of using this technology. I would hate to buy an airport base station and not be able to use the 54 mbs simply because Apple chose to limit AE to the new powerbooks. If this was the case, Apple should still give people the option to buy the previous airport base station for $149.

Just a thought.

I just think that Apple is trying to literally stay ahead of the curve, as more people are choosing broadband over dial-up, and 11mbps just wouldn't cut it.

[Sol]

I doubt Apple would be so stupid as to grant your wish and start painting American flags on their computers. Do you realize how many people would be repulsed by the idea? Not only would it be tacky, but it would also cannibalize their sales in overseas markets at a time when the computer industry is not having much luck selling. Call me "Anti-American" or whatever, I would not like to see such blatant nationalism become the latest gimmick used to sell computers.

Besides, the smooth white aesthetics of Apple's iMacs makes them look neutral.:mad:

[Phil Of Mac]

They won't be painting the American flag on their computers, but even if they did, do you really think they'd sell American flag computers in places other than America? Nah. You might even be able to buy one with the Australian flag! :)

[MacKid]

Originally posted by Sol
I doubt Apple would be so stupid as to grant your wish and start painting American flags on their computers. Do you realize how many people would be repulsed by the idea? Not only would it be tacky, but it would also cannibalize their sales in overseas markets at a time when the computer industry is not having much luck selling. Call me "Anti-American" or whatever, I would not like to see such blatant nationalism become the latest gimmick used to sell computers.

Besides, the smooth white aesthetics of Apple's iMacs makes them look neutral.:mad:

Do you realize how generally ignorant you sounded when you wrote that? First of all, the guy just spoke his mind, second of all, he said he neve expected to see them (and I must agree, I think nobody will;) ) but he really wasn't serious. . .:o

[Phil Of Mac]

As repulsive as national flags might be on the iMac, it can't get worse than Blue Dalmation :)

[Centris 650]

Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
it can't get worse than Blue Dalmation :)

Uh, yeah it can. 2 Words..." Flower Power" :p

[reyesmac]

If Apple could go from 1.25ghz G4 speed to enough speed to beat any PC at any speed, would they give us a speed bump that large in one generation? If the answer is no, then the iMac wont be getting dual processors for a veeerrry long time. Because they just dont care as much about speed as their customers do.
As it is, it doesnt look like we will get to 2ghz by the end of the year. And I dont expect a 1ghz iMac either. I do expect alot of innovation on everything but processor speed this year.

[SwitchHitter]

So, is the consensus that Apple will introduce the new iMac line-up during the week of Jan. 20th?

Anyone from Apple have insights into this - so I can plan to purchase an imac.

I've been waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting.. tap tap tap

I can't imagine Apple moving many of the iMacs now, since - and I'm guessing here - that anyone that is considering a purchase is going to wait until the new ones come out. Then Apple will be unloading the older imacs at cheap prices (good for the students, 2nd computers, etc.) - and also introduce the new ones (which I want).

With their share of market less than Gateway (which is gonna tank), Apple can't afford to not having product moving, particularly for one of their high profile computers.

People agree? Any Apple moles here that agree?

Btw, it seems no one ever identifies themselves as working for Apple on here....... but I do wish that someone who is truly in the know would confirm when the new iMacs will be released. I'm willing to wait until mid-Feb if I have too, but after that - I'll say ******* it and stay with PCs. The Mac world may be better overall, but at least in the PC world, the computers are cheap enough and easy to upgrade.

Apple are you listening?

I'm starting to get pissed.... and I haven't switched yet. All I'm asking is to make me loyal to you!!!

[MOM]

Apple has been doing a very good job staying in the press. For a small part of the computer world they get a lot of attention. to keep it up I'm sure they are spacing their product anouncements. My problem with the Jan 20th date is that it is so soon after MacWorld. Apple gave the reporters a lot to chew on at the show and I don't think the press is hurting for Apple stories. My prediction is that if the new iMac has a lot going for it, then they won't release it until mid Feb. I think until then the new software and power books will keep the press busy. If the update is minor, then it may come sooner and more quitely. Peace-MOM

[Centris 650]

Originally posted by SwitchHitter
So, is the consensus that Apple will introduce the new iMac line-up during the week of Jan. 20th?

Anyone from Apple have insights into this - so I can plan to purchase an imac.

I've been waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting.. tap tap tap

I'm willing to wait until mid-Feb if I have too,

First off...I don't work at Apple. Heck, there isn't an Apple store within a 3.5-4 hour drive of here. (I'm smack dab between the NC and GA stores) So anything I say is PURE speculation .... Personally I think you'll see a new iMac upgrade by mid february. I think of all the updates thats a safe bet. Here's what's been released and when....(List includes last 2 updates)

PowerBooks -
November 06, 2002
January 07, 2003

iBooks -
May 20, 2002
November 06, 2002

Powermacs
January 28, 2002 (QS)
August 13, 2002

eMacs -
n/a
August 13, 2002

iMacs -
January 7, 2002 (Intro of FP)
July 17, 2002 (17" FP)

Ok so what we are looking at is a bumb of some kind every 6 months or so. Based on this info I think we'll see a new iMac by this February. You might want to wait until the end of February just in case though based on the buzz I don't think you'll have to.

(Oh, in case I've messed up on something please forgive me it's late!)

[Centris 650]

Originally posted by MOM
Apple has been doing a very good job staying in the press. For a small part of the computer world they get a lot of attention. to keep it up I'm sure they are spacing their product anouncements. My problem with the Jan 20th date is that it is so soon after MacWorld. Apple gave the reporters a lot to chew on at the show and I don't think the press is hurting for Apple stories. My prediction is that if the new iMac has a lot going for it, then they won't release it until mid Feb. I think until then the new software and power books will keep the press busy. If the update is minor, then it may come sooner and more quitely. Peace-MOM

Yeah, but they might see the need to put on a "good face" after their 1Q loss. They got a lot of press for the 17" and 12" PBs but they're also getting a lot of press about their stock and net losses. They might see the need to get a "booster shot" of good press.

[melchior]

if apple really made wireless speakers, or allowed you to hook up more than two speakers, they'd have to make their dvd player deal with 5.1, can you imagine it, after all this time...

[MacKid]

Originally posted by Centris 650


Uh, yeah it can. 2 Words..." Flower Power" :p

I must agree. As long as they don't come out with iMacs with Jaguar Fur skins, I'll be okay.:D

[NatronB]

Originally posted by SwitchHitter
Anyone from Apple have insights into this - so I can plan to purchase an imac.


Patience, patience.

A few things you should know about Apple:

1) Apple is a dirty whore that'll take all your money, break your heart and leave you begging for more.

2) Very few people at Apple actually know when new products will be released or what they'll be. They're very good at keeping their own employees in the dark up to the date a public announcement is made.

3) Someone would have to be very stupid to endanger their job for the sake of a rumor site.

Just look at the pre-MacWorld rumors. Video iPod, anyone?

-Nate

[MhzDoesMatter]

Originally posted by MacKid


I just think that Apple is trying to literally stay ahead of the curve, as more people are choosing broadband over dial-up, and 11mbps just wouldn't cut it.

Uhm, DSL & Cable modems connect with 10baseT ethernet cords. Thats less bandwith than Airport, correct? The "Highest level" of business class DSL is only 1Mbps here I think. Even having multiple users at the same time won't crows airport. Because they all share the same cable/dsl connection.

Airport Extreme is not a "pro" feature. (Its really just a marketing mistake that makes it seem so. Because when they drop regular airport, whose gonna know whats so extreme about it?) How ever, they're probably instituting it for professional applications sake. File transfers and video conferencing over the wireless LAN type stuff.

People really won't need it at their homes but its cheaper to go standard across the board and its going to be the new technology. Like Apple had to go to DDR ram regardless because if all your systems used 10 year old technology....oh, bad example.


-Truth Hertz

[MacKid]

Originally posted by MhzDoesMatter


Uhm, DSL & Cable modems connect with 10baseT ethernet cords. Thats less bandwith than Airport, correct? The "Highest level" of business class DSL is only 1Mbps here I think. Even having multiple users at the same time won't crows airport. Because they all share the same cable/dsl connection.

Airport Extreme is not a "pro" feature. (Its really just a marketing mistake that makes it seem so. Because when they drop regular airport, whose gonna know whats so extreme about it?) How ever, they're probably instituting it for professional applications sake. File transfers and video conferencing over the wireless LAN type stuff.

People really won't need it at their homes but its cheaper to go standard across the board and its going to be the new technology. Like Apple had to go to DDR ram regardless because if all your systems used 10 year old technology....oh, bad example.


-Truth Hertz

Sorry, I was getting kbps confused with mbps, however, there have been many times when I'm trying to move a bunch of iTunes music or fresh apps from MacAddict from my iMac to iBook when 11mbps ends up being about 60 seconds for 6MB, so I think this will be a very welcome improvement.

Just an opinion.:D :cool:

[The Grimace]

"Uhm, DSL & Cable modems connect with 10baseT ethernet cords. Thats less bandwith than Airport, correct? The "Highest level" of business class DSL is only 1Mbps here I think. Even having multiple users at the same time won't crows airport. Because they all share the same cable/dsl connection."

Not mine. The bottleneck in my home network is the router box. When I plug my iMac straight into the cable modem, Network Utility shows a change in the connection speed from 10Mbps to 100Mbps.

(tig)

[pyrotoaster]

I hope I'm not repeating something already said, this is a very long thread, and I've only read the last page worth of posts.

LoopRumors's predictions are wrong. I've seen a lot of people talking about Airport Extreme, and it would be insane to not equip all new models with it.

But in reality here, Apple has a whole lot of new technology to dump on to their desktop machines. There's Airport Extreme, Firewire 800, USB 2.0 (I think Apple will adopt it), Bluetooth, Ambient light sensors (for screens and such, although a backlit bluetooth keyboard would be unnecessarily cool), and faster processors (GOBI G3s, 1 GHz G4s, etc.). This makes it harder to speculate what we'll see on the next machines.

I think Airport Extreme, faster G4s, and Bluetooth are sure-things for the next iMacs. The real question (in my mind, at least) is about Firewire and USB.
Firewire 800 can't yet replace Firewire 400, and it isn't even on the 12" AlBook. Apple might choose USB 2.0, a PC standard of slight concern (which is enough to get on board with it), over the new Firewire.

Just my two cents. ;)

[lmalave]

Originally posted by The Grimace
"Uhm, DSL & Cable modems connect with 10baseT ethernet cords. Thats less bandwith than Airport, correct? The "Highest level" of business class DSL is only 1Mbps here I think. Even having multiple users at the same time won't crows airport. Because they all share the same cable/dsl connection."

Not mine. The bottleneck in my home network is the router box. When I plug my iMac straight into the cable modem, Network Utility shows a change in the connection speed from 10Mbps to 100Mbps.

(tig)

That just means that your cable modem has a 100 Mbps Ethernet port, vs your router's 10 Mbps Ethernet ports. This in no way means, however, that you have a 100Mbps connection to the internet. If you want to test your bandwith, a good web-based test is at:
http://webservices.cnet.com/Bandwidth/

For example, I did that test right now and got about 1.2 Mbps, which is in line with that I've seen with other bandwidth test tools. (I'm currently connected via Airport to a D-Link Wi-Fi router connected to my cable modem).

[jgp]

In addition of higher buss speed, there is a significant chance that the next round of iMacs will allow the user to twist the screen from horizontal to vertial orientation. This seems like a no-brainer to me given the perfect balance of the iMac display arm. I have been going vertical for 15 years on my Macs. On displays that have a limited resolution as you find on iMacs, viewing documents vertically is a much better way to read docs and browse the web. I would really like to see this feature in iMacs, and I think that it would be a big marketing bullet point.

It is also a key aspect of tablet/notebook hybrids. If Apple comes out with a PowerTablet, I suspect that it will come with keyboard so that it can be used like a regular powerbook, but have the added ability to detach/wrap around the screen and put it into a vertical orientation. Another feature I would like to see. Imagine having Airport at home, and reading the New York times vertically on you PowerTablet while the hamock in the back yard. But I digress....

[MacKid]

Originally posted by jgp
In addition of higher buss speed, there is a significant chance that the next round of iMacs will allow the user to twist the screen from horizontal to vertial orientation. This seems like a no-brainer to me given the perfect balance of the iMac display arm. I have been going vertical for 15 years on my Macs. On displays that have a limited resolution as you find on iMacs, viewing documents vertically is a much better way to read docs and browse the web. I would really like to see this feature in iMacs, and I think that it would be a big marketing bullet point.

It is also a key aspect of tablet/notebook hybrids. If Apple comes out with a PowerTablet, I suspect that it will come with keyboard so that it can be used like a regular powerbook, but have the added ability to detach/wrap around the screen and put it into a vertical orientation. Another feature I would like to see. Imagine having Airport at home, and reading the New York times vertically on you PowerTablet while the hamock in the back yard. But I digress....

I think if Apple comes out with a tablet, it probably won't be a combo-laptop, because a lot of people on the PC side have been complaining after they buy a hybrid tablet that when they try to use it, it's way to heavy to use in one hand, to hot to have on your lap, and too thick to actually be considered a "tablet".

But I love the idea of a flippable iMac!!!:D :cool:

[krohde]

the ambient light sensor thingy, is that what the new 17" AlBook has with regard to automatic screen brightness correction, or is it to do with the new copyright apple filed where the case could change color?

[pyrotoaster]

The screen and keyboard backlights.

[The Grimace]

"Uhm, DSL & Cable modems connect with 10baseT ethernet cords. Thats less bandwith than Airport, correct? The "Highest level" of business class DSL is only 1Mbps here I think. Even having multiple users at the same time won't crows airport. Because they all share the same cable/dsl connection."

Not mine. The bottleneck in my home network is the router box. When I plug my iMac straight into the cable modem, Network Utility shows a change in the connection speed from 10Mbps to 100Mbps.

(tig)


That just means that your cable modem has a 100 Mbps Ethernet port, vs your router's 10 Mbps Ethernet ports. This in no way means, however, that you have a 100Mbps connection to the internet. If you want to test your bandwith, a good web-based test is at:
http://webservices.cnet.com/Bandwidth/

For example, I did that test right now and got about 1.2 Mbps, which is in line with that I've seen with other bandwidth test tools. (I'm currently connected via Airport to a D-Link Wi-Fi router connected to my cable modem).


Actually, I've run the same test (or a similar one), and I get about the same as you down, about 200-300kbps up. I guess what I was trying to say (not very clearly ;) ) is that it ain't the cable that determines the speed, as stated in the original post.

There are other considerations as well, at least on my hacked-together home network. Sometimes transfer speeds between my local machines bog down for no apparent reason. I thought it was my router, but I've since obtained a second one, and it still happens.

Ah, technology has made my life SO much easier... :D

(tig)

[SwitchHitter]

It's amazing. The more I read about what people wish and want in an iMac, the more I realize how dated the current version is.

I do have to say though, that in the PC world, that competition would force them to introduce the new features/functions much more quickly.

I'm surprised that Apple doesn't respond to this market force - perhaps that's why their sales have been stagnating of late. It doesn't appear that they have a sense of urgency about this.

Do any Apple employees read this? What are your thoughts?

[lmalave]

Originally posted by SwitchHitter
It's amazing. The more I read about what people wish and want in an iMac, the more I realize how dated the current version is.

I do have to say though, that in the PC world, that competition would force them to introduce the new features/functions much more quickly.

I'm surprised that Apple doesn't respond to this market force - perhaps that's why their sales have been stagnating of late. It doesn't appear that they have a sense of urgency about this.

Do any Apple employees read this? What are your thoughts?

It' not because of lack of competition. Apple is well aware of the competition (Wintel mainly and Linux to a much lesser degree).

The two problems with the iMac are:
1) Unlike in the PC world, Apple doesn't have frequent CPU upgrades to work with (thanks Motorola :mad:), so it adds other features: bigger screen, better video card, and now Bluetooth/AirPort Extreme/FireWire 800.

2) After the initial surge of sales, iMac sales stagnated, so Apple was left with too much inventory - I believe they've been selling that down. We know from their financial reports that the 17" was their best seller, which means they must have a lot of inventory of the 15" models.

[Trekkie]

Personally, my ideal product lineup would be:

Fast:

17" FP
867MHz
256MB RAM
60GB HDD
CD-R/CD
AE Ready
GeForce 4MX 32MB
Bluetooth
Bluetooth kb/mouse
Firewire 800,400, USB 1.1

Faster:

17" FP
1.0GHz
256MB RAM
80GB HDD
Superdrive
AE
GeFroce 4 Ti4200
Bluetooth
Bluetooth KB/Mouse
Firewire 800,400,usb 1.1 & speakers

Fastest:

17" FP
1.25GHz
512MB RAM
120GB HDD
Superdrive
AE
GeForce 4 Ti4200
Bluetooh
Bluetooth KB/Mouse
Firewire 800,400,usb 1.1 & Speakers

You can't tell me a 17" 1.25GHz would cannabalize Powermac Dual 1.25GHz sales. Different Markets.

Light sensing/changing stuff would be cool, and even better a lit Apple logo while I'm dreaming. Coming downstairs at night after baby girl wakes me up and seeing a glowing apple on the desk would be cool.

I think I could convince my wife she needs a new iMac this year (got her first one last July) if it had cordless technology. Personally I want to replace my Powerbook G4 550MHz with the 12" Powerbook. It's smaller and would fit better in my camera backpack.

Though I miss the PC-Card for reading gig microdrives. Someone needs a bluetooth CF reader. I dislike cables.

[Trekkie]

Argh, Fast should have 15" screen, typoed.

[Centris 650]

Originally posted by Trekkie

Fastest:

17" FP
1.25GHz
512MB RAM
120GB HDD
Superdrive
AE
GeForce 4 Ti4200
Bluetooh
Bluetooth KB/Mouse
Firewire 800,400,usb 1.1 & Speakers

You can't tell me a 17" 1.25GHz would cannabalize Powermac Dual 1.25GHz sales. Different Markets.

[snip]

I dislike cables.

Though I agree that a 1.25GHz iMac wouldn't destroy the Powermac line up I still think that this set up is unlikely without a major change in the current pMac lineup. Why? The consumer models have never rivaled the power models. Apple has always kept a nice cushion between it's consumer and professional computers. (Of course it's gotten close sometimes....) Unless there's a major shift in thinking at Apple I don't see this happening.

Oh, I dislike cables too. Especially Keyboard and mouse cables. (It's nice to see that someone agrees with me that we just might see a wireless KB and mouse.) :D

[jgp]

You are right, 133Mhz iMacs with fast game displays and super drives would impact the current PowerMac line up. I believe the reason for the delay in new iMacs is not something to do with the iMacs, but that faster buss speeds in the PowerMacs are not ready yet. I am hoping that Apple will make some new product annoucements though thier stores in the next four weeks. They need to build some product momentum. The new PowerBooks are nice, but they are not enough to float Apple's boat for the next few months.

[Centris 650]

Originally posted by jgp
You are right, 133Mhz iMacs with fast game displays and super drives would impact the current PowerMac line up. I believe the reason for the delay in new iMacs is not something to do with the iMacs, but that faster buss speeds in the PowerMacs are not ready yet.
Yup. Apple really can't really do any kind of major upgrade speed wise to the iMac without impacting the pMac line to some degree.

The new PowerBooks are nice, but they are not enough to float Apple's boat for the next few months.
Well, not everyone wants, needs or can afford a powerbook.

The iMac line really needs to be updated but I agree the powermacs need to be updated first.

[awinn233]

Originally posted by SwitchHitter
So, it seems someone would know if next week Apple is going to announce the line-up of new imacs. Certainly there's got to be a little bit of leakage around that?!

Anyone from Apple care to comment? I DESPERATELY WANT to buy an iMac, and make the 'switch' from the PC.

Although technically, I'll be Bi, since I'll still use the PC for work, but everything else will be iMac..

I"m getting a tad tired of waiting.... tap tap tap.

that is exactly my situation I hope they release them tomorrow and I hope that they're cheap, fast and slot-loading.

[Shrek]

Originally posted by Trekkie
Argh, Fast should have 15" screen, typoed.

Why not just edit your post? Click the button, man! :p

[The Grimace]

While I would agree that cables are a pain, I'd rather deal with them than have to worry about batteries or some such in these devices. It'll be interesting to see how this issue is addressed by manufacturers.

(tig)

[Sol]

I imagine that the best way to recharge a wireless keyboard is to have a combination dock & FireWire hub. The keyboard could be secured to the device and recharged from FW connections.

Maybe wireless will be put to better use with a trackpad that would let you control your OS X.2 system from another room.

[Thanatoast]

Can't recall where I saw it, CNet or TechTV or some such place, anyways, this company invented a pad that transfered enegy by direct contact. It was covered with little contacts that would brush up against contacts on the bottom side of the equipment, and voila! power! Safe for humans, and I think you could even spill a drink on it. I'll try to find a link...

Wow, that didn't take nearly as long as I thought. Here ya go.
Power Transfer Pad (http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,106482,00.asp)

[pyrotoaster]

That's cool, but a keyboard is pretty large for such a device.
Still, I could see all sorts of uses for something like that.

[lmalave]

Originally posted by The Grimace
While I would agree that cables are a pain, I'd rather deal with them than have to worry about batteries or some such in these devices. It'll be interesting to see how this issue is addressed by manufacturers.

(tig)

I think what makes the most sense is to have a mouse and keyboard that can either be wireless or connected by USB. There could be indicator lights somewhere on the devices that would tell you when you should plug it into USB to recharge. Speaking from experience, I've owned a Logitech wireless keyboard and mouse for about a year and a half and have only had to replace the batteries once (granted, using long-lasting rechargeable batteries that are supposed to last 5 times longer than standard batteries).

[Phil Of Mac]

That power transfer technology's been around for a long time. Electric toothbrushes, anyone?

[The Grimace]

Speaking from experience, I've owned a Logitech wireless keyboard and mouse for about a year and a half


Is it an optical mouse, or the old roller-ball style? After having used an optical mouse, I don't think I could go back.

(tig)

[lmalave]

Originally posted by The Grimace


Is it an optical mouse, or the old roller-ball style? After having used an optical mouse, I don't think I could go back.

(tig)

Optical. Do they even make cordless roller-ball mice? I think the options are basically: roller-ball corded mouse, optical corded mouse, and optical cordless mouse. Yeah, optical's definitely the way to go. You can get a corded optical mouse for less than $20 now, so there's no reason to ever go back to roller-ball.

[SwitchHitter]

I would like to see a touchpad for the iMac, I'm going to switch as soon as Apple introduces the new iMac line, which rumor has it is supposed to be released this month.. though I'm growing doubtful on that.

[pyrotoaster]

I can't say that we'll see touchpads on the next iMacs, but they will be here in January (early February if I'm wrong).

[SwitchHitter]

Hey, I'm in Chicago as well (live in Old Irving Park area). How sure are you that the new iMacs will come in Jan/early Feb?

I'm so anxious, I'm about to wet my pants!!!

[macdiehard]

I haven't seen any mention of the fact that the current I-macs don't have an audio in.

I am interested in taping phone calls (that clients have agreed to have taped :) ) into my mac. The imac only has a built in mic.

I have been waiting for the 1GH upgrade on the imac and if it has the audio in, I'll probably buy, otherwise I'll get a Powerbook.

I'd never buy a power mac desktop, too expensive. I don't need the expansion and you can get a power book for the same price.

Cheers,
Guy

[macdiehard]

I agree with the guys that hate cables. I definately want a wireless keyboard and mouse.

[Shrek]

Originally posted by macdiehard
I agree with the guys that hate cables. I definately want a wireless keyboard and mouse.

If they upgrade to a wireless keyboard and mouse on the iMac, then they are upgrading all the systems because the iMac, PowerMac and eMac all use the same keyboard and mouse. ;)

If they do upgrade to wireless keyboards and mice, I sure hope they allow you to recharge through the USB port.

[pyrotoaster]

Originally posted by SwitchHitter

Hey, I'm in Chicago as well (live in Old Irving Park area). How sure are you that the new iMacs will come in Jan/early Feb?

I'm so anxious, I'm about to wet my pants!!!

It's like when an 8-Ball says "all signs point to yes." And speaking of signs, the CD-RW iMac is at a 2 to 3 week shipping time. New iMacs in, oh let's say 2 to 3 weeks, would fit right into that whole 8-ball thing.

In all fairness, if you had asked me a month ago, I would have sworn that iMac updates would be in the first hour of SJ's Keynote speech.
Nobody really knows what to expect. I mean, we are talking about Apple, here. ;)

[ntmf]

I believe that the new iMacs must have 1,25 Ghz.

My actual iMac 800 17" is so slow, compared to modern PC (Although I love the software and Hardware).

But a big Speedbump is absolutely necessary.

I believe this speedbump will only come, when the Powermac line is upgradet to lets say 1,47 Ghz.

Why? 200Mhz will be no good reason to upgrade my 17" iMac, but 425 Mhz more will be a very good reason for me to upgrade!

And if they get this topmodell with a 19" TFT (turnable !?) I will order one in a second!

If I look at the new Powerbooks, I have to say they are really nice but not the speed is the reason to upgrade, but the Display size !
17" is so cool! I will get mine as soon as they are available! But regarding the new Powerbooks a 200 Mhz Speedbump is not a reason for me to upgrade.

But what I am really afraid of, is the moment, when an emulation of a Powerpc on a Multi Ghz PC is faster than the Original PowerPC-Hardware. (If you compare 4Ghz to 1,25 Ghz this seems not so far away!

I pray for that this will never happen!

But after all: The Software of our Macs is so way off cool, I doubt that PCs will ever have as amazing software as we have!

[concretecurb]

I am thinkign of getting a new iMac. With all these rumors do you think I should wait a few more weeks to order one. My old G3 Beige is on it's last leg, and I really do not want to buy another tower. For what I do, it is not worth buying a G4 tower and new LCD, plus money is a big consideration.

[Ambrose Chapel]

I am thinkign of getting a new iMac. With all these rumors do you think I should wait a few more weeks to order one.


I would try and hold out a few more weeks. Outside of the 17" iMac, the line hasn't seen any refreshing since the initial introduction last January. They are long overdue for a speed bump, and supplies of the current iMacs appear to be slimming, so it really could come at any time now. Once that happens you can get a new one or get one of the current models for less money.

[SwitchHitter]

Yes, I would wait a few more weeks.. or days.... I think it a new iMac doesn't come out by the end of Feb, then we can all say goodbye to Apple updating the iMac line.

I'm patiently waiting for the iMacs... but my willingness to wait is being severely tested...

Unfortunately, I might have to stay with the PC and renew my research into what's best in that class - though I want to SWITCH so bad.

It would really be quite sad if Apple doesn't update the iMac line so that it's features/function/speed/etc. are equal to the PC world.

And of course there's been vast rants and raves about what an updated iMac should include. But I haven't heard/seen anything that even alludes to a new series update for the iMacs.

I even have friends that have checked with various manufacturers in the Far East on if Apple has been manufacturing new components, etc. - but nothing.. nada.. zilch...

But I'm going to remain optomistic for at least another few weeks......

[Centris 650]

Originally posted by concretecurb
I am thinkign of getting a new iMac. With all these rumors do you think I should wait a few more weeks to order one. My old G3 Beige is on it's last leg, and I really do not want to buy another tower. For what I do, it is not worth buying a G4 tower and new LCD, plus money is a big consideration.

I agree with Ambrose that you might want to wait. We should (hopefully!) see an update soon. (Apple has in the past updated it's product lines every 6 months give or take a month. The iMac was last upgraded in August so hopefully we'll see something in February if not then probably early March.)

I however don't think we'll see a major speed boost. I could be wrong and Steve-O has a way of doing the unexpected but I just don't see the iMac line going past the 1ghz bar.

[MacKid]

Originally posted by ntmf
I believe that the new iMacs must have 1,25 Ghz.

My actual iMac 800 17" is so slow, compared to modern PC (Although I love the software and Hardware).

But a big Speedbump is absolutely necessary.

I believe this speedbump will only come, when the Powermac line is upgradet to lets say 1,47 Ghz.

Why? 200Mhz will be no good reason to upgrade my 17" iMac, but 425 Mhz more will be a very good reason for me to upgrade!

And if they get this topmodell with a 19" TFT (turnable !?) I will order one in a second!

If I look at the new Powerbooks, I have to say they are really nice but not the speed is the reason to upgrade, but the Display size !
17" is so cool! I will get mine as soon as they are available! But regarding the new Powerbooks a 200 Mhz Speedbump is not a reason for me to upgrade.

But what I am really afraid of, is the moment, when an emulation of a Powerpc on a Multi Ghz PC is faster than the Original PowerPC-Hardware. (If you compare 4Ghz to 1,25 Ghz this seems not so far away!

I pray for that this will never happen!

But after all: The Software of our Macs is so way off cool, I doubt that PCs will ever have as amazing software as we have!

I highly doubt that they will bump it to 1.25 Ghz, but that's just my opinion.:rolleyes: One of the reasons that Apple doesn't just buy a buttload of Athlons or something is because the Mac OS doesn't require speeds of 2.0Ghz+ (Not that I don't crave that 970. . . ). Ever tried XP with all the graphics specialties on a sub 1Ghz computer? It's not pretty. Not that it's un-workable, but it would make you even more glad that you have a Mac!:) I think we've had enough bi*chin' about how slow the speeds are, all I'm trying to say (I know that we could really use the extra Mhz) is that unless I'm very much mistaken (which I have been on countless occasions), the iMacs will not catch up to the PowerMacs that fast, unless the PPC 970's bring them up to like 3Ghz or something:eek: :rolleyes: .

[orthodoc]

17 inch iMac just went from 3-5 days to 5-7 days shipping. This could be a good sign! :D

[vniow]

Originally posted by MacKid
Ever tried XP with all the graphics specialties on a sub 1Ghz computer? It's not pretty. Not that it's un-workable, but it would make you even more glad that you have a Mac!:)

I have XP Po running on a 667Mhz PIII with 256MB RAM and a 32MB ATI Radeon AIW video card and it's no slouch at all, even with all the eye candy turned on.

My iBook on the other hand...........

[iTry]

Originally posted by orthodoc
17 inch iMac just went from 3-5 days to 5-7 days shipping. This could be a good sign! :D

I'm gonna buy a 17" iMac from the UK education store..... WHEN THEY GET ROUND TO UPDATING THE DAMNED THINGS!

Apple are heartless! They lead you on, let you fall in love with them, and then don't care for you! Mind you, it's better than the domestic violence of M$, to use an extended metaphor!

To anyone who didn't follow that, what I'm saying is that apple have me over a barrel, kinky as that sounds. I'm not buying a PC. I refuse. I've used them most of my life and if I have to live with another I'll kick its puny little beige case to bits and then melt its component parts with a blowtorch. However, I'm not going to buy a new iMac until they update them or bring the top end's price down a bit.

Anyway, what I was going to say before my rant was that the lead time for 17" iMac is 10 - 12 days in the UK now. Good sign? I hope so!

[brian0526]

After a long and agonizing process, I made the decision to switch from a PC to Mac back in December. But, then I was told "wait", the iMac's going to be updated soon. Then, I found out just how "old" the 800 MHz iMac's are. So, I wait.

The longer I wait, the more the buyer's remorse hits before I've even bought the Mac. I'm thinking I could have had a much faster PC already and just moved all my stuff over without having to worry about how I'll get my 8 years of Quicken data over, how I'll do my taxes this year, etc.

I still want to switch to Apple. I think the switch campaign has been fairly effective. But, Apple's got to do something about the perceive speed problems with the iMac. Never having run OSX on an 800 MHz iMac, I don't know how fast it'll be. But, if there are G4 processors available that are 1 GHz or more, I want that in my first Apple machine. I also want a 512 MB DIMM in the built-in slot on the iMac so I can easily upgrade to 1 GB, if I want to.

I'm waiting (im)patiently. My 450 MHz PC running Windows 98 crashes several times a day prompting me to do something.

OK, rant over. Thanks for listening.

Peace,
Brian

[SwitchHitter]

Brian, i'm in the same situation as you are.. patiently waiting, etc.. and i've also experienced some of the same remorse - though i haven't bought an imac yet.

There was a lot of buzz in december that the new imacs would come out in early january... and they didn't.

Now it doesn't seem there's too much buzz about the potential of any new imacs coming out, which does have me worried (i scan all the rumor boards every day....) people respond to my inquires, and just say, hold on,, apple will be introducing them in the next week or the next week.. Meantime, time keeps slipping away.

I'm still going to hold out until mid-Feb, but i'm getting more disilluisoned as the days march past, and no update. no word on updates.. and no good rumors on updates.......

SURELY, someone that reads these boards - and KNOWS what's going on inside Apple around iMACs can shed a little bit of light for us.....

Please

[MacKid]

Originally posted by brian0526
After a long and agonizing process, I made the decision to switch from a PC to Mac back in December. But, then I was told "wait", the iMac's going to be updated soon. Then, I found out just how "old" the 800 MHz iMac's are. So, I wait.

The longer I wait, the more the buyer's remorse hits before I've even bought the Mac. I'm thinking I could have had a much faster PC already and just moved all my stuff over without having to worry about how I'll get my 8 years of Quicken data over, how I'll do my taxes this year, etc.

I still want to switch to Apple. I think the switch campaign has been fairly effective. But, Apple's got to do something about the perceive speed problems with the iMac. Never having run OSX on an 800 MHz iMac, I don't know how fast it'll be. But, if there are G4 processors available that are 1 GHz or more, I want that in my first Apple machine. I also want a 512 MB DIMM in the built-in slot on the iMac so I can easily upgrade to 1 GB, if I want to.

I'm waiting (im)patiently. My 450 MHz PC running Windows 98 crashes several times a day prompting me to do something.

OK, rant over. Thanks for listening.

Peace,
Brian
Not to be offensive, just for your information. . .

Just two things:

1) iMacs come with Quicken.

2) You can just buy some 512MB or 256MB RAM chips and put them in, the memory is very easily accessed through the bottom.;)

[orthodoc]

Originally posted by MacKid

Not to be offensive, just for your information. . .

Just two things:

1) iMacs come with Quicken.

2) You can just buy some 512MB or 256MB RAM chips and put them in, the memory is very easily accessed through the bottom.;)


I think you have misunderstood the post:

1) I believe he is worried about quicken compatibility between the pc and mac versions

2) His post says he hopes there is a 512 chip in the non-user slot, so he can add 512 MB to the user slot and have 1 Gig of RAM.


;)

[brian0526]

Originally posted by MacKid

Not to be offensive, just for your information. . .

Just two things:

1) iMacs come with Quicken.

2) You can just buy some 512MB or 256MB RAM chips and put them in, the memory is very easily accessed through the bottom.;)

Thanks. I knew iMacs come with Quicken. However, the files are completely incompatible. I've upgraded Quicken on the PC for years and just converted the file as I've gone along. With the Mac, I'll either lose all my old information or have to enter a bunch of stuff manually. Really an aside to this thread. But, there is some pain involved with PC users switching to Mac and this is one. I'm willing to go through the process to get the superior OS Mac offers and some of the better apps. But, the speed difference between a Mac and PC concerns me.

The way the top end iMac comes today, the non-user slot is not maxed out. A silly way to ship a top end machine, IMO. The first slot should have the highest density chip available since it requires a professional to install a bigger chip (unless you want to void your warranty).

Just a couple of gripes about the Mac. But, back to the point, I wish Apple would just give them as much power as they can at this point. I don't care about keeping separation between the iMac and the PowerMac (consumer and pro). They really need to step it up on the hardware side at least make it close to the PC so us people who want to switch will feel the pain of going through the transition is worth it and the machine we buy today will perform well for the next few years.

Peace,
Brian

[iTry]

Originally posted by brian0526

Just a couple of gripes about the Mac. But, back to the point, I wish Apple would just give them as much power as they can at this point. I don't care about keeping separation between the iMac and the PowerMac (consumer and pro). They really need to step it up on the hardware side at least make it close to the PC so us people who want to switch will feel the pain of going through the transition is worth it and the machine we buy today will perform well for the next few years.

Peace,
Brian

Everyone talking about speed is missing an essential point. Macs last longer. In between university, I work in a small publishing firm who, until two years ago, still used a 1992 mac to produce magazine pages to go to the printing presses. That particular mac supported a multi-gig hard drive, a cd writer, a zip disk, scanner etc... Try doing that on a pc of similar vintage! I tried something similar once with an old wintel box. It just couldn't hack it and fell over, sobbing loudly!

It has since been replaced, but only by a 1997 model! Also, I could tell you of stories of video editing somehow accomplished on second-generation Powermacs...

But the point is that, although Motorola haven't quite managed to get off their backsides and make a faster chip yet, the ones thay do make are better, and will last longer than a 'faster' pc.

And which would you rather have on your desk?! I still haven't seen anything as elegant as the iMac in the pc world.

As a by the by, does anyone have any ideas on where to get a carry case for an iMac? I reckon me and my comp may do some travelling...

[MorganX]

Originally posted by iTry

As a by the by, does anyone have any ideas on where to get a carry case for an iMac? I reckon me and my comp may do some travelling...

I think what you need is a 17" Powerbook.

[MorganX]

Originally posted by brian0526
The longer I wait, the more the buyer's remorse hits before I've even bought the Mac. I'm thinking I could have had a much faster PC already

I still want to switch to Apple. I think the switch campaign has been fairly effective. But, Apple's got to do something about the perceive speed problems with the iMac

I'm with you 100%. I just hope the iMac delays are simply due to the fact that other manufacturers are ordering the 17" LCDs for PC and notebooks that are also being used in iMacs.

Apple nees to put as much CPU and graphics power in the updated iMacs as possible. Damn the PowerMac line. people who want a tower will buy it. In the PC world home PCs are often more powerful than the average workstation.

I think I could go 2 or more years with a 1GHz G4 and a 64MB Geforce 4MX in an iMac. But I would like to purchase by Feb 14th. If the iMac isn't updated, I may go with Sony's 17" Widescreen and a dual Xeon PIV.

I'd really rather switch to OSX though so I'm waiting; but this waiting is kind of new to me. I would actually prefer to have specs and price announced and an arrival date. That I could wait for. Waiting and not knowing if you're waiting for nothing, is not pleasant and I don't know if I can do it long.

[iTry]

Originally posted by MorganX


I think what you need is a 17" Powerbook.

I'd love one, were it not for three things...

I'm just a poor student who has been loaned some money to get my iMac, and my budget don't stretch to a powerbook!

I want to watch dvd's + broadcast tv on it, so I like the movability and position of the screen.

Because of the amount I use comps, and due to me being fairly tall, portables end up giving me neckache! I found this out while using my better half's pathetically-slow-and-crash-prone-yet-brand-new P4 laptop. (Can anyone say "Sorry caller, you're going to need to use your recovery disk"?!)

In any case, because I'm in uni accomodation, I'd like a nice big bag to put it in while it's being transported back to my parents'. One of my old media tutors had some padded bags for TVs. They may have been intended for sports equipment.

Any bright ideas???!!!

[Dont Hurt Me]

Originally posted by SwitchHitter
Brian, i'm in the same situation as you are.. patiently waiting, etc.. and i've also experienced some of the same remorse - though i haven't bought an imac yet.

There was a lot of buzz in december that the new imacs would come out in early january... and they didn't.

Now it doesn't seem there's too much buzz about the potential of any new imacs coming out, which does have me worried (i scan all the rumor boards every day....) people respond to my inquires, and just say, hold on,, apple will be introducing them in the next week or the next week.. Meantime, time keeps slipping away.

I'm still going to hold out until mid-Feb, but i'm getting more disilluisoned as the days march past, and no update. no word on updates.. and no good rumors on updates.......

SURELY, someone that reads these boards - and KNOWS what's going on inside Apple around iMACs can shed a little bit of light for us.....

Please Hey Switch i think you will see a new imac in less then 2 weeks and my guess will be a 1 ghz chip though that doesnt sound like much but with the 133 bus that should give pretty good performance, I strongly doubt a 19 inch with turntable base thats the first i heard of it because after seeing the 17 inch i think the 19 would be too much! How about some fancy new colors like the old classic?blueberry anyone Maybe bluetooth?Look at the new powerbook and you probably will see those kind of specs in the imac!also there latest greatest software apps This is just pure speculation of course.

[iTry]

Originally posted by Dont Hurt Me
I strongly doubt a 19 inch with turntable base thats the first i heard of it


In a computer where the screen goes halfway round on the end of a stick, why would you need a turntable base???

[Dont Hurt Me]

Originally posted by iTry



In a computer where the screen goes halfway round on the end of a stick, why would you need a turntable base??? You wouldnt thats why i vote you wont see it THE 17 IS JUST TO COOL just a faster cpu ( please Steve) and no mx video cards!

[iTry]

Originally posted by Dont Hurt Me
You wouldnt thats why i vote you wont see it THE 17 IS JUST TO COOL just a faster cpu ( please Steve) and no mx video cards!

My thoughts exactly!

As a by the by, the widescreen is great for me, since I do a media production course and shoot all my video in w/s. (It also just looks cooler)

However, a review i read thought apple's new policy was so people could watch dvds in w/s! Must have missed the launch of final cut pro then... :p :p :p

[macdiehard]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by iTry





[B]Because of the amount I use comps, and due to me being fairly tall, portables end up giving me neckache! I found this out while using my better half's pathetically-slow-and-crash-prone-yet-brand-new P4 laptop. (Can anyone say "Sorry caller, you're going to need to use your recovery disk"?!)

I think people overlook ergonomics. The question of whether lap tops will replace desk tops isn't just a question of does it have equal or better speed, storage and screen real estate. It's also a question of comfort.

I have been working on a lap top for 3 years and have tried all kinds of tricks like putting it on two phone books and having an external keyboard. Looks like hell on my desk. The lap top plus external monitor is a good solution but I think most power books have to remain open and this really clutters your desk. Also it's not cheap to lay out $2.5 Gs and another bunch for the monitor.

For me the perfect solution would be something like the new Toshiba where the keyboard breaks away and the monitor can be put on a stand. Imagine a 15 or 17 inch power book where the screen breaks away, slots into a stand that raises the screen 6 inches above the desk and the key board breaks away wirelessly. And while we are at it, why not make the screen a tablet, but not a 10 inch one!

By the way, one thing I don't like about lap tops is typing over the CPU, I think you definately get zapped by the energy under your hands

Working on a lap top gives me neck ache too, the imac ergonomics are great, especially good for working with a partner - I often review web sites with a client or another consultant, the two of us looking at the same screen.

[macdiehard]

What about Audio in on a new iMac?

By the way, can you get audio in through a USB port, i.e with a line or microphone?

[arn]

I hope those who felt that waiting is not going to yield anything read the newest news item

New iMacs are coming in the next few weeks

no question.

arn

[melchior]

macdiehard>

yes there are a plethora of usb line in/mic devices on the market. mine has optical in/out as well as line in/out

no line in on imacs is just another way to open the space between the powermac and the imac

[iTry]

Originally posted by macdiehard
What about Audio in on a new iMac?

By the way, can you get audio in through a USB port, i.e with a line or microphone?

Yes you can. Go to the apple store website. On the left hand side there's a column called 'accessories'. Click on 'Music and Audio'. Somewhere down near the bottom of that page is a device called 'iMic USB Audio Interface', made by Griffin.

This is, certainly in the UK, the cheapest option for audio on an iMac. It costs $34.95 and provides minijack input and output. It can handle mic and line level sources through an input toggle switch.

I can't say whether it's any good because I haven't ordered my iMac yet, but I'm guessing it must do the job...

Hope this helps. :)

By the way, good to know it ain't just me who ends up feeling shattered after working on laptops! For some reason I also angle my back, without realising, into a really bad position when typing on them. Probably because it's a flat keyboard.

You're right, the iMac was a bit of genius in terms of collaboration. I'm going to use mine with a USB TV adaptor, so I'll just be able to swivel it round and sit comfortably when I'm fed up working!