PS3 delayed until November

[Dagless]

Ouch perhaps? An even bigger ouch is that it's November in Japan.

I suppose us Brits and possibly worse still our Australian brethren won't be seeing the PS3 until mid-2007! going off the PSP's launch.

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/03/14/breaking-news-ps3-delayed-until-november/

...the PlayStation 3 isn't shipping in the next three months, despite what their website says to the contrary. The Nihon Keizai Shimbun newspaper is reporting that the PlayStation 3 is being delayed until "early November" in Japan due to complications with the AACS copy protection system being implemented into the Blu-ray specification.

... Or could they go ahead without BluRay? if it means getting out before Nintendo and making a 2006 release then who knows?

[iPhil]

Ouch perhaps? An even bigger ouch is that it's November in Japan.

I suppose us Brits and possibly worse still our Australian brethren won't be seeing the PS3 until mid-2007! going off the PSP's launch.

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/03/14/breaking-news-ps3-delayed-until-november/



... Or could they go ahead without BluRay? if it means getting out before Nintendo and making a 2006 release then who knows?


So Xbox 360 has a year ahead in sales before the PS3 hits the shores ??:confused: :confused:

if i read the story correctly then :eek: :eek:

[natehan]

Ouch perhaps? An even bigger ouch is that it's November in Japan.

I suppose us Brits and possibly worse still our Australian brethren won't be seeing the PS3 until mid-2007! going off the PSP's launch.

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/03/14/breaking-news-ps3-delayed-until-november/



... Or could they go ahead without BluRay? if it means getting out before Nintendo and making a 2006 release then who knows?

If the rumors are true, at least us Americans will get it at the same time of the Japanese release

[greatdevourer]

If the rumors are true, at least us Americans will get it at the same time of the Japanese release Highly unlikely. I see a spring US release and a mid-late 2007 EU release (why do Sony hate us so? :confused:)

[Dagless]

I doubt that. A near-simultaneous launch in 2 of the biggest console markets?
my prediction;

Japan- November 2006
US- January 2007
Europe- April/May 2007

of course I'm judging from previous console release dates. Though with all the BluRay, Cell (aka. super hardware) launch dates could be further into 2007.

[paddy]

Highly unlikely. I see a spring US release and a mid-late 2007 EU release (why do Sony hate us so? :confused:)

Agreed. Its not just Sony that hates us, its Nintendo too. I bet we'll get the DS Lite last in the world.:(

[Dagless]

What about MS? Has the 360 hit Australia yet?

[soundguynz]

What about MS? Has the 360 hit Australia yet?
Just did an ad in New Zealand, xbox 360 released 21 march at 12.01am

Few been in electronics shops on demo

They can keep it, waiting for PS3 unless Gran Turismo 5 comes out on xbox

[clayj]

To all you Sony fanboys* (and you know who you are):

Told you so (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=181535).

* I own more Sony gear than most anyone... but I think they've screwed the pooch when it comes to the PS3. The Xbox 360 is a killer system, it's already out, and it's slowly killing Sony's chances of maintaining market dominance in the videogame console arena.

[Dagless]

To all you Sony fanboys* (and you know who you are):

Told you so (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=181535).

* I own more Sony gear than most anyone... but I think they've screwed the pooch when it comes to the PS3. The Xbox 360 is a killer system, it's already out, and it's slowly killing Sony's chances of maintaining market dominance in the videogame console arena.

... especially since the Xbox and PS3 are so similar on the power level.

Really though, from the same company who uber-hype what where people expecting? a real Spring 2006 launch? :rolleyes:
I hope for their sakes they do a 360 and drop the next gen disc format support and get that machine out now if it wants to contend against MS and Nintendo. Especially since Sony own a handful of unique games now.

[GFLPraxis]

I doubt that. A near-simultaneous launch in 2 of the biggest console markets?
my prediction;

Japan- November 2006
US- January 2007
Europe- April/May 2007

of course I'm judging from previous console release dates. Though with all the BluRay, Cell (aka. super hardware) launch dates could be further into 2007.


Well, the DS was a near simultaneous launch.

PSP wasn't however.

[Peyton]

Uhh, I don't think Sony wants to miss out on the American Christmas shopping season. I can definitely see them getting it here by novemeber. I think they're doing everything they can to get it here before Christmas.

[clayj]

Uhh, I don't think Sony wants to miss out on the American Christmas shopping season. I can definitely see them getting it here by novemeber. I think they're doing everything they can to get it here before Christmas.Unless they can guarantee enough units to meet demand (which I seriously doubt -- they couldn't with the PS2, and Microsoft couldn't with the 360 during its launch), a Christmastime launch might be a mistake. People who go to the shops to get a PS3 for their kids may just pick up an Xbox 360 when the PS3 isn't available... especially since 360s will be in plentiful supply by then.

[zap2]

Well sony is done.. It was a bad move... It a year after the 360 came out, but perhaps these might have one good thing. Some people will aready have a 360, so the PS3 will be in a time frame by itself(i hope the Rev is out sooner then the PS3.)

Kinda hope sony loses some ground. Never like them!:eek:

[840quadra]

Fine by me...

It may take me that long to finish some of my PS2 games :) .

Makes my Force feedback steering wheel purchase feel all that much better now :) .

[2nyRiggz]

Well if it is delayed then fine..once they get everything right. Sony will still come and people will still buy...i see no big dent here to knock sony out the picture like some of you are saying(talk about fanboyism gezz) but we still don't know what will happen.


Bless

[GFLPraxis]

Well sony is done.. It was a bad move... It a year after the 360 came out, but perhaps these might have one good thing. Some people will aready have a 360, so the PS3 will be in a time frame by itself(i hope the Rev is out sooner then the PS3.)

Kinda hope sony loses some ground. Never like them!:eek:


"Done" is too strong a word. The Dreamcast had nearly a year lead and got burned by the PS2.

On the other hand, the PS2 had a year lead and owned the XBox and GameCube.

However, nobody in Japan will buy an XBox 360. That's a fact. So I think Sony will lose a lot of ground in the United States and some in Europe, but they'll retain Japan (where Nintendo will become the new threat).

[Dagless]

A little off-topic but I've been wondering about this for a few days now... How do racers work on the PS2? I've played a couple of my Cube and Xbox but they've got triggers. so yea. How do you control acceleration on a PS2 Dual Shock controller?

[TheMonarch]

A little off-topic but I've been wondering about this for a few days now... How do racers work on the PS2? I've played a couple of my Cube and Xbox but they've got triggers. so yea. How do you control acceleration on a PS2 Dual Shock controller?

PS2, Xbox 1+2 have pressure sensitive buttons. Press it lightly, and the car will run slow, cram the button, and the car will burn some rubber :)

Still waiting on Nintendo to implement those. :(

[Ringo]

Unless they can guarantee enough units to meet demand (which I seriously doubt -- they couldn't with the PS2, and Microsoft couldn't with the 360 during its launch), a Christmastime launch might be a mistake. People who go to the shops to get a PS3 for their kids may just pick up an Xbox 360 when the PS3 isn't available... especially since 360s will be in plentiful supply by then.


Yea, that a very good point Clay. That being said,i personaly believe that the battle will be more 'bout the game because it look like performance are going to be very similar, the only real thing setting them appart on the hardware side is the blue ray drive BUT we still have to see if that will be an advantage or a disadvantage as it may add a lot to the selling price and we still to know if dev really need all that space now. For now it's techninical win by MS because there the only one in the ring and their startin to impress people. We will only see the real winner when the Battle Royal will begin between MS, Nintendo and sony.(i would bet a dollard on nintendo for most profit)

[Bubbasteve]

... especially since 360s will be in plentiful supply by then.
We can only hope....

[nimbus]

* I own more Sony gear than most anyone... but I think they've screwed the pooch when it comes to the PS3. The Xbox 360 is a killer system, it's already out, and it's slowly killing Sony's chances of maintaining market dominance in the videogame console arena.
I "LOLed."

GameSpot revealed the February 2006 videogame sales in North America, software sales decreased by 22% from last year, but hardware sales went up by 31% due to the two portables and Xbox 360:

Hardware

PlayStation 2 - 300,000 units
PSP - 170,000 units
Xbox 360 - 160,000 units
Nintendo DS - 150,000 units

http://www.the-magicbox.com


There is no way in hell that Sony will not launch PS3 during Xmas, few systems or what, they are going to put it out at least by then.

Xbox is a "killer" system compared to the LAST generation systems that are out. That's like saying Godzilla is the best, when he's in the ring with the Geico Gekko. Oh yeah, killing Sony's dominance? PS2 sold over 100 million units, and it's STILL selling well. The dominance is there. Sony just has to get the PS3 out for the Xmas season...and it's March. So it has time, plenty of it.

Saying "I own more Sony gear than most anyone" is like saying "I'm not a racist, I have a Black friend." If that was you trying to show that you're not biased, I guess I understand...
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[DISCOMUNICATION]

Just a reminder that being first out the gate doesn't always mean winning the market.

[DrNeroCF]

PS2, Xbox 1+2 have pressure sensitive buttons. Press it lightly, and the car will run slow, cram the button, and the car will burn some rubber :)

Still waiting on Nintendo to implement those. :(


Yuck, I hope they don't, I never feel like I'm holding a button hard enough on a ps2 controller, and always end up with sore thumbs. Unless I can actually discern the amount of pressure the controller is picking up, hells no!

[Oblivious]

Lies!!
I can get a free PS3 if I just click on the advertisement at the bottom of the screen.:) :p

[GFLPraxis]

I have to say that I prefer PS2 games that DON'T use the analog buttons. When I push harder to make the car go faster on Gran Turismo 3 I usually end up with sore thumbs. Not on Burnout 3 though (I don't know if it uses the analog face buttons or not but I spend most of my time boosting ;) ).

[TheMonarch]

I agree. I like using analog trigger shoulder buttons better, and pressure sensitive buttons can make your thumb sore. But I'd still like it if they included it in the revolution.

Its all about how the developers use it. Just because they're there, doesn't mean it will be used for the exact purpose all the time.

I'd be awesome if they used it for Super smash bros., or the like. Not just for redundant racing games.

[takao]

anybody surprised ?

personally i was more guessing towards october for japan so that they might be able to press in the US launch before christmas (and only screw europe like usual)

for parents simply picking up other consoles instead if one is in short supply ... i don't know parents are more likely to buy something completely different (like a bike etc.) in such a case than buying the "wrong" product

for analog buttons:i seriously don't like the idea of any analog button/trigger without feedback ... sure it's an interesting idea but so far haven't seen a use outside of racing games and i don't like them there either
i'm one of those who keeps his thumb on the acceleration button and keep the speed during corners with fast tapping of the brake (at least that was the way i worked myself through gt2)

edit: from ign:
March 14, 2006 - Ken Kutaragi, PlayStation Master and keeper of big news has announced at the PS meeting today that the PlayStation 3 will be launching in early November worldwide for the North American, Asian, and European territories

[devilot]

for parents simply picking up other consoles instead if one is in short supply ... i don't know parents are more likely to buy something completely different (like a bike etc.) in such a case than buying the "wrong" productI completely agree with this.

I think there are way too many screaming bratty kids who'll have spaz attacks if their parents bring home the 'wrong' gifts. :p

[Dagless]

anybody surprised ?

personally i was more guessing towards october for japan so that they might be able to press in the US launch before christmas (and only screw europe like usual)

for parents simply picking up other consoles instead if one is in short supply ... i don't know parents are more likely to buy something completely different (like a bike etc.) in such a case than buying the "wrong" product

for analog buttons:i seriously don't like the idea of any analog button/trigger without feedback ... sure it's an interesting idea but so far haven't seen a use outside of racing games and i don't like them there either
i'm one of those who keeps his thumb on the acceleration button and keep the speed during corners with fast tapping of the brake (at least that was the way i worked myself through gt2)

edit: from ign:
March 14, 2006 - Ken Kutaragi, PlayStation Master and keeper of big news has announced at the PS meeting today that the PlayStation 3 will be launching in early November worldwide for the North American, Asian, and European territories

I just read about the worldwide launch date. right... if they can muster this up then I will be very impressed. I still won't buy one on the day. but a worldwide launch of such a sought after product? hells no. especially from a company who have consistently lied about its products and release dates in the past.

about the buttons: wow. I never thought racing games implemented the analogue button thing. isn't that difficult to use? i mean on an Xbox and GC you know where you are with a big analogue trigger.
funny how a system with more racing games than any other system has such a control method! they better upgrade that Dual Shock 3! I love my triggers :(

oh! anyone heard about the e-download feature (why is it called "e-download???")?! I mean downloading PS1 games for PSP. thats good. sure compatibility issues with the lack of 2 shoulder buttons might hinder play. but I loved the PS1. this is good news for me.

[MacRumorUser]

Going on IBM's ability to yield good chips and the complexity of the new cell processor, i'd say not a frigging chance for a world wide release.

Don't get me wrong, i'll pre-order but in reality I wouldn't expect it to hit Europe till March/April or May.....

This is bad news for Sony. All their marketing so far is about how much more powerful it is in comparison to the 360 and how great their new Cell processor (edit - read Emotion Engine) is...

However with developers still not really showing any software off to press other than select videos it's not surprising. There's no way they could release any sooner, as there would be no games.

But in regards to power, we already have developers telling us that its not that much different to the 360. But by the time it launches with the always never true examples of hardware prowess launch games, the 360 will be long into it's second generation titles.. Which may outdo the quality of the Launch titles from Sony...

Expect a re-emphasis from Sony's PR marketing department....

Also there is now a good chance Nintendo might be the second out the door, which must come as a pleasant surprise to them.

Interesting times.. We'll have to wait and see :)

[nomad01]

Just a reminder that being first out the gate doesn't always mean winning the market.

I think a lot of it has to do with support.

If the PS3 brings plenty of new, impressive games with it, people will buy it. When it comes to technology people are remarkably fickle and just because they already bought a 360 doesn't mean they won't switch... especially if it's released in November.

Christmas is silly season with money so I think a release at that time could be a good thing. Unless only a handful of games materialise.

And let's hope they crank up production to meet demand!

[Chundles]

8 more days till the 360 launches down here. If the PS3 comes out in Japan at the end of the year then it will be 2008/2009 till it comes out here....:rolleyes:

[takao]

for the worldwide release: i guess it will be a limited launch just like with the 360.. comes out everywhere roughly at the same time but don't bet on getting a system within the first 3 months outside of japan... they won't be able to meet demand by far for the first months compared to the rather regional differences in availability for the 360 (which is already in the go down to the next store and pick one up category)

[Dagless]

Apparently a minimum price has been announced. £243 / $425 / ¥49,876 for the lowest model. Which I suppose isn't too bad considering what you're getting. I just hope this lowest model comes with a HDD and that. Unless its tremendously good I won't be forking out more than £199 for a machine with a primary goal to play games.

[HiRez]

If Sony gives MS another holiday shopping season with no competition (along with Nintendo), wow, just...wow. That's a screw-up of colossal proportions that's going to be hard to recover from. And not only is it late, but by all appearances it's not going to be demonstrably superior to the XBOX 360 either, and will be at least as expensive. I'm not predicting the demise of Sony, but this looks very, very bad for them. At this point I almost wonder if you don't take the basic PS3 design and wait another year, doing a half-redesign with faster CELLs, faster graphics cards, more memory, maybe a 2nd-gen Blu-Ray system, etc., then bring out a system that is clearly a half-generation beyond the XBOX 360 to give people a reason to buy.

[robbieduncan]

8 more days till the 360 launches down here. If the PS3 comes out in Japan at the end of the year then it will be 2008/2009 till it comes out here....:rolleyes:

Wow. I didn't realise they hadn't been launched there yet! It's getting easier to get one in the UK (you can get Cores anywhere, Premiums are still a little tricky). Mine (Premium) should be delivered on Saturday :)

[Dagless]

Wow. I didn't realise they hadn't been launched there yet! It's getting easier to get one in the UK (you can get Cores anywhere, Premiums are still a little tricky). Mine (Premium) should be delivered on Saturday :)

I suppose that depends mate, in London it probably is a little trickier. but up here in the hills pretty much every shop has a load of Cores and just a few less Premium bundles. When my mate popped off to get a 360, every shop had a Premium in stock. God knows how but he managed to get a Premium for the same price as a Core in Gamestation.
I suppose us Mancunians are more interested in setting up bands ;)

[1macker1]

Another point to be made is B.O.M cuts. Since Microsoft will have atleast a full year before the PS3 comes out, this means they also have a advantage on rebuilding the system with less expensive parts. This will give MS the top ground on when the first price cuts on the next gen consoles. It's looking deep into the future, but it's something to think about.

[mrgreen4242]

Apparently a minimum price has been announced. £243 / $425 / ¥49,876 for the lowest model. Which I suppose isn't too bad considering what you're getting. I just hope this lowest model comes with a HDD and that. Unless its tremendously good I won't be forking out more than £199 for a machine with a primary goal to play games.

Ya I read that... assuming that the "lower cost" model has decent equipment (so, 1 wireless controller, a harddrive, and lets get really generous and say they are going to put a wifi adaptor in every box or built into the machine AND include the cables for DVI/HDMI), you are looking at a minimum of:

$425 for the system
$30 for another controller
$60 for ONE GAME
----
$515+an applicable taxes (in my home state, it'd be $545.90)

That's so amazingly laughable. If this was released RIGHT NOW, so there was some time to get plenty of units on the shelves, a price drop, and some budget priced games out there before the US holiday season this MIGHT have a shot at not bombing...

Combine that with (1) obligitory retail bundling to rip people off, (2) an almost certain Xbox360 price drop, and (3) the release of the (likely) half as expensive (and shortage free) Revolution around the same time, I just don't think that anyone but either the very wealthy, the "hardcore" PS fans will get one. Maybe I am wrong, but I forsee the first time in 8 years or so where Sony will not completely dominate the console market.

[Haoshiro]

I believe this was already mentioned but Sony is still selling the PS2 like mad.

In that regard I really don't think it matters a great deal if Sony waits to release the PS3 even after this coming holiday season.

Why? Because they will have a very competitively priced system and a BOAT LOAD of affordable games. Not only that, but its doubtful they are losing money on PS2 hardware now.

By waiting they actually give the Xbox 360 hype (is that still around?) to die down and have their OWN big party. Sure, it may hurt some but chances are PS2 sales will still be very high if the PS3 isn't out... plus they LOSE money selling PS3 hardware and make money selling PS2 hardware.

So does anyone actually think Sony is in a bad position? Reminds me of people worrying about Nintendo not getting a system out early enough and thinking it was all doom and gloom, when the truth was they were CLEANING UP on the handheld market, just pulling in the cash. Sony, likewise, is still making plenty of the PS2 and not even really competing in the next-gen "war" yet.

I know personally I usually wait and get Sony products AFTER a new generation is out and I'm sure there are other people that wait as well; so its more of a win-win for Sony, imho.

[iGav]

So Xbox 360 has a year ahead in sales before the PS3 hits the shores ??:confused: :confused:

It won't make the slightest bit of difference, the PS3 will likely catch the 360 within 12 months of it's release. It will sell that many.

[litosclone]

I found this on IGN, the info is from the PS biz brief '06:

Ken Kutaragi, PlayStation Master and keeper of big news has announced at the PS meeting today that the PlayStation 3 will be launching in early November worldwide for the North American, Asian, and European territories.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/696/696054p1.html

[GFLPraxis]

Going on IBM's ability to yield good chips and the complexity of the new cell processor, i'd say not a frigging chance for a world wide release.

Well, IBM's been saying that they're getting good yeilds on the Cell processor, and Blu-ray will have been out a while by September, so theoretically if Sony starts manufacturing them early they may have enough units.

[MacRumorUser]

Well, IBM's been saying that they're getting good yeilds on the Cell processor, and Blu-ray will have been out a while by September, so theoretically if Sony starts manufacturing them early they may have enough units.

Hope so...

[GFLPraxis]

Ya I read that... assuming that the "lower cost" model has decent equipment (so, 1 wireless controller, a harddrive, and lets get really generous and say they are going to put a wifi adaptor in every box or built into the machine AND include the cables for DVI/HDMI), you are looking at a minimum of:

The base model may or may not have a hard drive (though the hard drive does have Linux preinstalled, and they were talking about potential 80 GB and 120 GB hard drives upgrades which make me think they will use full sized hard drives instead of laptop hard drives like MS, which are so much more expensive).
EDIT: Never mind. Looks like today's conference stated that a 60 GB hard drive will be STANDARD.

However, anyone who has a camera or PSP already has a memory card since it uses CF, SD, and Sony Memory Sticks as memory cards.

$425 for the system
$30 for another controller
$60 for ONE GAME
----
$515+an applicable taxes (in my home state, it'd be $545.90)

That's so amazingly laughable. If this was released RIGHT NOW, so there was some time to get plenty of units on the shelves, a price drop, and some budget priced games out there before the US holiday season this MIGHT have a shot at not bombing...
Oh?
I honestly don't see a difference between that an the XBox 360. If I were to have bought an XBox 360 at launch, that would mean...

$400 for the Premium system
$40 for another XBox 360 controller
$60 for ONE GAME
$99 for WiFi

In actuality, the XBox 360 would have cost me MORE, since WiFi is a requirement for me.

It's not that laughable compared to the 360. However, both the 360 and PS3 are outside of my price range at this point. I would not buy a PS3 at launch, just like I didn't buy a 360, if it cost that much.

Combine that with (1) obligitory retail bundling to rip people off, (2) an almost certain Xbox360 price drop,

I wouldn't call it "almost certain". Considering the loss the 360 is selling at and the fact that IBM is using the same processor inside the Cell (meaning less for Microsoft)...Microsoft may very well opt to lower the loss the 360 is selling at instead of reducing the price and continuing to lose money.

Remember, Microsoft actually wants to make a dime this time around.


and (3) the release of the (likely) half as expensive (and shortage free) Revolution around the same time,

That's a good point.

[GFLPraxis]

Has anyone posted this link yet and maybe I missed it?

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3148775

PS3 conference report.

He did offer some tantalizing new details about the system, though. PS3 will include a 60GB hard drive (which is upgradeable) with Linux preinstalled. According to Kutaragi, developers should create games for the PS3 with assumption the hard drive will be present in the system (his slide was titled "HDD is required!"). He also revealed that the system will be backwards compatible with the entire PS1 and PS2 libraries, and that games will be displayed in high-definition resolutions when played on the PS3 (similar to what the Xbox 360 does with compatible Xbox 1 titles).

PS1 games in high definition?

That'll be very strange for sprite-based games like MegaMan X 4 - 6.

Kutaragi also revealed details on the online service Sony is planning for the PS3 called the "PlayStation Network Platform". Beginning at the system's November launch, the service will feature such functions as matchmaking, messaging, rankings, friends lists, voice/video chat, in-game shopping, and game downloads to the hard drive. Best of all, the service will be free (as of right now, it isn't clear on whether there will also be a paid tier of service similar to Xbox Live Gold). The service will also allow for publishers to connect their own game servers. Sony Online Entertainment (SOE), makers of such online games as EverQuest and Star Wars Galaxies, is provided the infrastructure and GameSpy is providing tools and middleware. Kutaragi also mentioned that the PS3 can serve as a wireless access point for the PSP.

Final PS3 controllers and development kits are going to be sent to the development community by May. This will include the final specs for Cell, the final RSX graphics chip, the final Blu-ray specs, and will be at a cost close to that of a PS2 development kit.

Kutaragi also had a few big announcements that pertained to the PSP, the most immediate being a price drop to $199 for the basic pack at the end of March in the U.S. This spring will also see a browser upgrade that will include Macromedia Flash 6.0 support. Kutaragi gave details on some later technology enhancements to look forward to this fall as well: RSS support, video and voice-over-IP, and a USB GPS receiver that will interface with new games (a version of Hot Shots Golf was mentioned for this). A PSP EyeToy camera will release in September and will feature a version of EyeToy Play and video chat.

Interestingly, Kutaragi also discussed an "E-Distribution" strategy for the PSP which will include downloading classic PS1 games to a PSP's Memory Stick. Users will be able to boot games directly off of the Memory Stick and the games will play under emulation.

To all those who kept saying PS3 would not have a unified online service (that might have been another board though): HA!


EDIT: PSP, downloadable PS1 games under an emulator?

Seems strange...simply because PS1 games came on 700 MB CD's, and most people don't have memory cards that big. Final Fantasy 7 came on three or four CD's if I remember right. Also, PS1 games all run at fullscreen, while the PSP is widescreen and lower resolution than regular TV's. Sounds like a pain to make compatible.

[takao]

Well, IBM's been saying that they're getting good yeilds on the Cell processor, and Blu-ray will have been out a while by September, so theoretically if Sony starts manufacturing them early they may have enough units.

if they really start with manufacturing with the mainboards etc. in june/july i guess they could pull it off but starting piling up 6 months early is perhaps not something sony will do ;)

and with the final dev kits release rumored around june i guess they have plenty of time for bug fixing this time (i guess this generation all need more time ... Microsoft's 3 months weren't enough for sure )

[takao]

PS1 games in high definition?

That'll be very strange for sprite-based games like MegaMan X 4 - 6.
my guess: certain games will get special treatment and the rest interpolation ;)

[clykins90]

Thats a knee to the groin for sony. Xbox 360 is already gaining popularity fast and its a great system. There are some great games comin out this year as well as the possibility of Halo 3! Any word on when nintendo's is comin out?

[GFLPraxis]

Thats a knee to the groin for sony. Xbox 360 is already gaining popularity fast and its a great system. There are some great games comin out this year as well as the possibility of Halo 3! Any word on when nintendo's is comin out?

Um...sometime between now and thanksgiving.

[zelmo]

Much as I was looking forward to a PS3 by E3, I really don't mind waiting until the end of the year, or even later, as long as they get it right. More time for the component costs to drop and for Sony to keep the price competitive with 360, more time to get bugs out, more time to develop a good on-line strategy, and more time for developers to make good games better.
There are still plenty of good PS2, Xbox, and GC games I haven't played yet.:)

[takao]

Um...sometime between now and thanksgiving.

i guess it's better to say "somewhere between E3 and thanksgiving"

for the 360 gaining popularity: i would like it seriously (since i'm not really that interested in the one sidedness like today) but i don't see any big movements at the moment.. most people will wait untill all are released(except those who can afford all three)

[greatdevourer]

PS2, Xbox 1+2 have pressure sensitive buttons. Press it lightly, and the car will run slow, cram the button, and the car will burn some rubber :)

Still waiting on Nintendo to implement those. :( Rofl. The GC has them, and I think the N64 may have. However, as far as I remember, the PS2 doesn't have them (I distinctly remember clicky ones last time I played on one). However, few games use them (Splinter Cell is the only one I can think of), and the only time I've seen it used properly is the scope on PDZ

$60 for ONE GAME Why is everyone in the US so pissed off by this? Games have been $60 outside the US since forever, and now it's more like $80!

PS1 games in high definition?

That'll be very strange for sprite-based games like MegaMan X 4 - 6. This reminds me of a convo last night with a guy trying to convince me that backgrounds in computer (ie, not console) games are pre-rendered

I wonder, if Bungie finish Halo 3 soon enough, will M$ take the mick out of Sony with "we were going to release it on the PS3 launch, but we gave up waiting"? :p

[~Shard~]

Sounds like I'll be seeing the PS3 at next year's CES in Vegas once again then. Funny, it looked ready when I saw it in January... :p ;)

Unfortunate, but what can you do. This better be one killer system though when it is eventually released! And hopefully the rumored price tag will come down a bit as well by then.

And in a way it's a good thing for me, because now I have more time to hold off buying one. The earlier they hit the market, the earlier I have to start fighting off my temptations to buy one. ;) :cool:

[Laslo Panaflex]

It's a simultaneous launch in Japan, US and Europe. They claim it's the Blu-Ray disc DRM spec that pushed back the launch. All games will be on Blu-Ray disc to prevent piracy.

Details here:

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/03/15/ps3-press-conference-it-begins/

[iPhil]

It's a simultaneous launch in Japan, US and Europe. They claim it's the Blu-Ray disc DRM spec that pushed back the launch. All games will be on Blu-Ray disc to prevent piracy.

Details here:

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/03/15/ps3-press-conference-it-begins/


Thanks,Laslo for the link.. How soon do you think that they'll start takin' deposits for the PS3 ?? :o :D

[Dagless]

It's a simultaneous launch in Japan, US and Europe. They claim it's the Blu-Ray disc DRM spec that pushed back the launch. All games will be on Blu-Ray disc to prevent piracy.

Details here:

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/03/15/ps3-press-conference-it-begins/

this has already been mentioned and highly doubted by folk here :)

AGAIN: just to make it clear. infact. OI. LISTEN. Sony have said the PS3 will be a simultaneous launch. Though, if you've suffered some kind of short term memory problem; this is from the same people who have consistently lied about released dates. PS2, PSP and PS3 have all been different. especially in europe. it took NINE whopping months for the PSP to hit the UK after its Japan launch. For a machine with more readily available components. No. I do not believe this for a second. If anyone else believes it then good luck, you're going to need it.

[natehan]

Highly unlikely. I see a spring US release and a mid-late 2007 EU release (why do Sony hate us so? :confused:)

They just announced a simultaneous launch early November (Japan, North America, Europe)!

[Dagless]

EDIT: PSP, downloadable PS1 games under an emulator?

Seems strange...simply because PS1 games came on 700 MB CD's, and most people don't have memory cards that big. Final Fantasy 7 came on three or four CD's if I remember right. Also, PS1 games all run at fullscreen, while the PSP is widescreen and lower resolution than regular TV's. Sounds like a pain to make compatible.

now THIS is a big thing for me. this tempts me towards buying a PSP. as soon as I read this I made a mental map of how I can save up some dosh and splash out on a PSP, as many 1-2GB cards I can afford etc. But then the doubts did come flooding in...

Resolution is going to be an issue. Anyone who's played the NES Classic GBA games will tell you that screen pixel compensating is not a pretty thing. What about the L2 and R2 shoulder buttons? and of course the multiple disc thing. 4*700mb=2800mb. thats one hell of a memory card... unless I can plug my Microdrive in there?

Otherwise its an utterly fantastic idea. But just so fundamentally flawed :(

[Dagless]

Oh, and Sony have also announced a 'basic' free online package for the PS3. Which includes IM etc. Which is very good. Hehe. Who was it who said Nintendo could not do a free online service, saying that it would cost too much. :rolleyes: nah. I won't go there. But we all know this is possible, out of all the PC games I've read about I can count the amount of paid subscription games on one hand.

[Abulia]

Color me surprised that Sony -- after seeing the debacle that was the 360 launch -- would even consider a simultaneous launch of the PS3. This just strikes me as drawing a line in the sand for all of Sony's management: "Here's the date. You will meet this date or else."

Plus, although Sony will have some great hype for the PS3, a 360 price reduction (one year later) is almost a foregone conclusion. Manufacturing costs will be way down by then and will further the price rift between the PS3 and the 360, both who have similar overlapping customer bases.

Finally, with the date set, Microsoft can now see the goal for Halo 3 being done. And if you're going to underestimate the power of Halo, just go back and search the news articles on the Halo 2 release, volume of sales, and press it got. Couple a Halo 3 + 360 price drop and a one year lead and Microsoft has a very compelling business strategy.

For my part I continue to "wait and see" until more is known about the PS3 and whether it will have a spot in my home. I do know that I won't regret in November of 2006 of the great fun I've had playing my 360 in the past year. :)

[eclipse525]

Speculation...speculation. SHUT UP already! You are ALL punished. Now go to your rooms and be grateful you have something to play with! There are kids starving in Africa!!! :D :eek: ;)

[MacRumorUser]

Speculation...speculation. SHUT UP already! You are ALL punished. Now go to your rooms and be grateful you have something to play with! There are kids starving in Africa!!! :D :eek: ;)

But that's not fair!!!! :( It is macRUMORS forum - not macFACT :p So speculation is acceptable..... :)

[greatdevourer]

They just announced a simultaneous launch early November (Japan, North America, Europe)! I had noticed. This is 2 pages since then. And, (as Raggedjimmi said before me), that still means nowt

[GFLPraxis]

Color me surprised that Sony -- after seeing the debacle that was the 360 launch -- would even consider a simultaneous launch of the PS3. This just strikes me as drawing a line in the sand for all of Sony's management: "Here's the date. You will meet this date or else."


You're making too many assumptions here.

Remember, the 360 launched 3 months after the devs got final hardware. Three months after finalized hardware! Sony's going to finalize the hardware in JUNE. That's plenty of tie.

Plus, although Sony will have some great hype for the PS3, a 360 price reduction (one year later) is almost a foregone conclusion.

Not necessarily, since reports say that Microsoft is selling the 360 at very large losses. They might just decide to lower the loss margin.

[GFLPraxis]

now THIS is a big thing for me. this tempts me towards buying a PSP. as soon as I read this I made a mental map of how I can save up some dosh and splash out on a PSP, as many 1-2GB cards I can afford etc. But then the doubts did come flooding in...

Resolution is going to be an issue. Anyone who's played the NES Classic GBA games will tell you that screen pixel compensating is not a pretty thing. What about the L2 and R2 shoulder buttons? and of course the multiple disc thing. 4*700mb=2800mb. thats one hell of a memory card... unless I can plug my Microdrive in there?

Otherwise its an utterly fantastic idea. But just so fundamentally flawed :(

Actually, there is even more problems.
What do you do with PS1 games that use the dual analog or dual shock controller? There is no second analog stick, which makes half the games in the library useless. Look at what a terrible port Ape Escape was on PSP because of the removal. And it certainly kills any possiblity of outright emulating every PS1 game, because you'd need to recode games that use the second analog stick.

[GFLPraxis]

Rofl. The GC has them, and I think the N64 may have. However, as far as I remember, the PS2 doesn't have them (I distinctly remember clicky ones last time I played on one). However, few games use them (Splinter Cell is the only one I can think of), and the only time I've seen it used properly is the scope on PDZ



Not exactly.

The GC has analog shoulder buttons.
The PS2 has analog face buttons. Yes, they feel clicky, but they DO detect how hard you push. You'll notice that if you push the X button down really hard you'll go faster in Gran Turismo 3 than if you push it lightly. However, it doesn't go very deep so the sensitivity is rather limited compared to the analog shoulders on the GC (which you can push REALLY far down).


This reminds me of a convo last night with a guy trying to convince me that backgrounds in computer (ie, not console) games are pre-rendered


Wow, you were talking with quite a moron, lol. The textures on the walls are pre-rendered (the equivilant of paint on the walls) but the actual environments are of COURSE rendered in real time and the textures are applied to and drawn on the walls in real time.

I wonder, if Bungie finish Halo 3 soon enough, will M$ take the mick out of Sony with "we were going to release it on the PS3 launch, but we gave up waiting"? :p

Bill Gates was joking about it. Halo 3 was never scheduled to come out with the PS3. Bungie has said this a few times.

[eclipse525]

But that's not fair!!!! :( It is macRUMORS forum - not macFACT :p So speculation is acceptable..... :)

Well in that case...........I HEARD that the main reason for delay of the PS3 is that they were originally going to release a "Nitrous Oxide Kit" separately but have decided to now INCLUDE it standard with every PS3. This of-course to combat the year long head-start the XBox has on the PS3. Man, this thing is gonna be fast!!! :D

~e

[greatdevourer]

Not exactly.

The GC has analog shoulder buttons.
The PS2 has analog face buttons. Yes, they feel clicky, but they DO detect how hard you push. You'll notice that if you push the X button down really hard you'll go faster in Gran Turismo 3 than if you push it lightly. However, it doesn't go very deep so the sensitivity is rather limited compared to the analog shoulders on the GC (which you can push REALLY far down). Ah, OK. Thanks :)

[illegalprelude]

Live like Support. 60GB HDD. Linux on it. PSP to have remote control like access. Wireless into it and all games Blue-Ray :D *sleeps with sony*

ive been calling EB-Games and Gamestop all day, attemtping to put a pre-order on that baby, no go :o im assuming, they havent heard of the release date :eek: shocker :rolleyes:

[TheMonarch]

Rofl. The GC has them, and I think the N64 may have. However, as far as I remember, the PS2 doesn't have them (I distinctly remember clicky ones last time I played on one). However, few games use them (Splinter Cell is the only one I can think of), and the only time I've seen it used properly is the scope on PDZ

1) Uh. No. The other than the shoulder buttons, the GC doesn't use pressure sensitive buttons.

2) The N64 definitely didn't have them either.

3) The PS2 does have them, and lots of games used them. Some used them well, others didn't.

[greatdevourer]

1) Uh. No. The other than the shoulder buttons, the GC doesn't use pressure sensitive buttons.

2) The N64 definitely didn't have them either.

3) The PS2 does have them, and lots of games used them. Some used them well, others didn't. As before, I have been corrected, and do not need to be corrected again, thankyou

Live like Support. 60GB HDD. Linux on it. PSP to have remote control like access. Wireless into it and all games Blue-Ray :D *sleeps with sony* I can't imagine them putting Linux on it, unless it's an expensive add-on kit. Far too many people will buy the console purely for Linux, thus rendering the whole "sell at a loss, then make it up on games" idea useless (it's along the same lines as what killed the origional XBox, moneywise - too many people bought it to run XBMC)

[Abulia]

As before, I have been corrected, and do not need to be corrected again, thankyou

I can't imagine them putting Linux on it, unless it's an expensive add-on kit. Far too many people will buy the console purely for Linux, thus rendering the whole "sell at a loss, then make it up on games" idea useless (it's along the same lines as what killed the origional XBox, moneywise - too many people bought it to run XBMC)Prepare to be corrected again, as GFLPraxis will swoop in to extol the great features of the PS3 and its ability to run Linux. :)

[illegalprelude]

I can't imagine them putting Linux on it, unless it's an expensive add-on kit. Far too many people will buy the console purely for Linux, thus rendering the whole "sell at a loss, then make it up on games" idea useless (it's along the same lines as what killed the origional XBox, moneywise - too many people bought it to run XBMC)

The SCE president also told the crowd that the PS3 would use a 60GB 2.5-inch hard disc drive (HDD). A slide show during the presentation said the HDD would be loaded with the Linux operating system instead of Microsoft's Windows OS. The show also said it could be used as a "home server," could be directly connected to the Internet, and would be fully "upgradable."



Source: http://www.gamespot.com/news/6145972.html

[Abulia]

Anyone have a link to the conversation on the online component, where Sony said that their's was "4D," referring to online as the "fourth dimension" and that their games are "live."

The verbiage was interesting and the way they made it sound like online play was their brainstorm, all the same time while using the moniker of "live" to describe it. I had to chuckle. :)

[greatdevourer]

Source: http://www.gamespot.com/news/6145972.html Yeah... I still can't imagine them keeping it through - it'd be a major f*ckup, tbh

[illegalprelude]

Everybody does know Linus is free? right? I dunno why people are debating the fact. I dont see how this can hurt them. Most HDD for gaming units come with some form of things on them already so during that process, install Linus on them. and if anything, more people are intitled to buy it. win win? i think so

Anyone have a link to the conversation on the online component, where Sony said that their's was "4D," referring to online as the "fourth dimension" and that their games are "live."

The verbiage was interesting and the way they made it sound like online play was their brainstorm, all the same time while using the moniker of "live" to describe it. I had to chuckle. :)

LOL no, but i know what ur talking about. the best one if i got is

The "father of the PlayStation," Sony's Ken Kutaragi, has over the years made some spectacular predictions of his own. Prior to the launch of PlayStation 2, the outspoken executive seemed convinced that his new console was 'the one.' He said of the platform: "You can communicate to a new cybercity. Did you see the movie The Matrix? Same interface. Same concept. Starting from next year, you can jack into The Matrix!" Right, Ken. Do us a favor: don't rent Johnny Mnemonic. We can, however, at least understand Kutaragi's attempt to hype PlayStation 2. We're not sure what his intentions are when he speaks about the system's successor, the PlayStation 3. Last year, Kutaragi explained: "[PS3] is not a game machine. We've never once called it a game machine. I'm not going to reveal [the PS3's] price today. I'm going to only say that it'll be expensive. I'm aware that with all these technologies, the PS3 can't be offered at a price that's targeted towards households." Uh, right…


:) I love Sony haha

[Abulia]

I saw it on Teamxbox this morning. Sadly I'm at worked and firewalled, so I can't grab the quote. It was funny stuff! :D

[2nyRiggz]

This is good news for people with the PSP and who is getting PS3...worldwide release, PS1 games and the works...indeed this is good.


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[GFLPraxis]

Anyone have a link to the conversation on the online component, where Sony said that their's was "4D," referring to online as the "fourth dimension" and that their games are "live."

The verbiage was interesting and the way they made it sound like online play was their brainstorm, all the same time while using the moniker of "live" to describe it. I had to chuckle. :)

Posted it on page 2:
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3148775

[GFLPraxis]

As before, I have been corrected, and do not need to be corrected again, thankyou

I can't imagine them putting Linux on it, unless it's an expensive add-on kit. Far too many people will buy the console purely for Linux, thus rendering the whole "sell at a loss, then make it up on games" idea useless (it's along the same lines as what killed the origional XBox, moneywise - too many people bought it to run XBMC)

Actually, the PS3's point isn't "sell at a loss and make it up on games". Sony's idea is, "sell at a loss and thus give everyone Blu-ray players and win the format war, then make money on Blu-ray".

If people buy it for Linux, they end up with a Blu-ray player and probably won't buy an HD-DVD player.

[2nyRiggz]

One thing i will say to Sony...make sure that harddrive come with all the systems because if they make that bugga without it then force people to buy it just for basic function at an extra cost then we have some problems...thats all i got to say about that.

November release is not bad but i hope they got this planned out correct and come correct.

I see no bad move here except that HD thing....they better get that right.


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[GFLPraxis]

One thing i will say to Sony...make sure that harddrive come with all the systems because if they make that bugga without it then force people to buy it just for basic function at an extra cost then we have some problems...thats all i got to say about that.

November release is not bad but i hope they got this planned out correct and come correct.

I see no bad move here except that HD thing....they better get that right.


Bless

Uhm...in the article we're talking about, Sony just said that the 60 GB HDD comes standard with every PS3.

[illegalprelude]

Uhm...in the article we're talking about, Sony just said that the 60 GB HDD comes standard with every PS3.

reading is too much for everybody :confused:

[Dagless]

Bwaahahhaha. "4D"

is 4D the new Emotion Engine? :rolleyes:

I'm sorry. but to somebody who won't buy a Sony product for the name alone I find that very very funny. An attempt to make the fanboys hearts swoon and everyone else to step and question "what the frack are they on about!"

[2nyRiggz]

Well i read another one that indicates that they did not say it will come with the HD...that article is not the only one out there...get it right. gamespot.com

Read more and the more you will know(to the guy trying to be funny)....


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[greatdevourer]

Everybody does know Linus is free? right? I dunno why people are debating the fact. I dont see how this can hurt them. Most HDD for gaming units come with some form of things on them already so during that process, install Linus on them. and if anything, more people are intitled to buy it. win win? i think so Wow, they cloned Torvalds! :D Now everyone can have a free Linus to be their personal code monkey :D

On topic, the point is that too many people will buy it for Linux, then never buy games for it (as with XBMC - people bought XBoxes to put HD content on their HDTV before HD Cable dropped in price)

[eclipse525]

On topic, the point is that too many people will buy it for Linux, then never buy games for it (as with XBMC - people bought XBoxes to put HD content on their HDTV before HD Cable dropped in price)

You are SO WAY OFF with that point!!! Sorry, but you really are.....

[Motley]

Just so everyone knows I believe the point of including linux is so that the PS3 will be classified as a computer and not a game system saving on import taxes. They tried the same thing with the PS2
Linky (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2000/11/07/sony_adds_basic_to_playstation/)
(Yeah I know, a theregister link but it was the first thing that came up with my search and I wasn't going to spend a lot if time searching)

[Dagless]

You are SO WAY OFF with that point!!! Sorry, but you really are.....

no he's not. I bought an Xbox for that reason. Xbox modding forums are FULL of people with the same thinking. Buy an Xbox, get XBMC on it, never buy a game again. My last Xbox game was Serious Sam, a gift from my girlfriend Xmas 2004. This sort of thing happens a lot.

[GFLPraxis]

You are SO WAY OFF with that point!!! Sorry, but you really are.....

Actually, he DOES have a valid point.

Video streamers cost a lot. This is a:
A) Linux PC
B) 1080p video streamer
C) Blu-ray player
D) Network storage server

plus plays games, but some people might buy it for all the rest. I think it would be one of if not the only 1080p video streamers on the market as well.

[i.Feature]

but some people might buy it for all the rest.

Like me. these are the things that are going to help decide my next gen purchase.

[Archmagination]

I will be getting a PS3.. . I will also be getting a Revolution too. I am thinking that a 360 would be interesting, but I have looked at the games they are offering(or will be coming out) and I just haven't found enough games that look good to me.

[XNine]

Bah, **** all you Sony haters. It's going to OWN the rest of the consoles. Don't get me wrong, the 360 is a dandy system, and I will own you all on COD2, DOA and GRAW.

But, with these details out, it's excellent. There's still more details that need to be revealed, but the ones we have now insure that this is going ot be a great platform.

Linux? PFT! Like I care. Gimme the next installment of MGS and Armored Core and we're on our way.

I can't wait.

[illegalprelude]

its odd for me, Sony always gives the most options, look at the PSP compared to other units, looks at what PS3 is offering vs 360 but people are never happy. NEEVVEERRR. their always crying about something. :confused:

360 comes out, oh sweet, cool, its fun, Sony offers a bunch of new stuff, "aaww, i dunno" "what, linux?" "downloadable stuff, ehh" wtf? nobody is gonna force you to use the linux, people will buy it just for linux, who cares, they buy it for their own needs, are you paying it for it or are they?

[zap2]

Uhm...in the article we're talking about, Sony just said that the 60 GB HDD comes standard with every PS3.


Well with what they are doing for the PSP(get rid of its "hardrive", which is memory sticks,) i would not be shocked if the sold a PS3 with no HD

[illegalprelude]

Well with what they are doing for the PSP(get rid of its "hardrive", which is memory sticks,) i would not be shocked if the sold a PS3 with no HD

thats gonna be interesting and more details will be needed cause for example, the 360 is worthless without the HDD cause u cant do any of the live stuff, except play. U cant play any regular Xbox game either.

like others stated, one article said the PS3 will come with it, one said maybe but if i read into it correctly, either one or both stated that it has to have the hard drive?

[zap2]

thats gonna be interesting and more details will be needed cause for example, the 360 is worthless without the HDD cause u cant do any of the live stuff, except play. U cant play any regular Xbox game either.

like others stated, one article said the PS3 will come with it, one said maybe but if i read into it correctly, either one or both stated that it has to have the hard drive?


i think the 360 should have it, and i also think the PS3 should but the new 199 PSP shows that sony will cut "key" features to cut back the price(as MS did with 360) so i am saying i'ts likely there will be low end model and a high end model

[illegalprelude]

i think the 360 should have it, and i also think the PS3 should but the new 199 PSP shows that sony will cut "key" features to cut back the price(as MS did with 360) so i am saying i'ts likely there will be low end model and a high end model


i really do wonder, i know multiple times that sony has stated, they dont wanna release mutliple packages cause its confusing and I agree, we are people who read into this stuff alot but I know a ton of people who thought the regular 360 could play xbox games too, little did they know that they needed the Hard Drive.

That being said, again, it dosent mean that sony has to stick to its word and also, i know one of the articles stated Ken saying the PS3 NEEDS the hard drive to run. again, little facts floating around so its all speculation at now but I cant imagine if it NEEDS the hard drive to run, that they would release a package without the hard drive in it

[Dagless]

Bah, **** all you Sony haters. It's going to OWN the rest of the consoles. Don't get me wrong, the 360 is a dandy system, and I will own you all on COD2, DOA and GRAW.

But, with these details out, it's excellent. There's still more details that need to be revealed, but the ones we have now insure that this is going ot be a great platform.

Linux? PFT! Like I care. Gimme the next installment of MGS and Armored Core and we're on our way.

I can't wait.

Whoa, relax! take a nap, quit smoking or something!

I like it how you say "sony haters", when I dont think anybody here has blatantly come out and said those exact words, or hasn't given valid reasons towards not liking them. I've had many bad experiences with Sony, as well as Goodmans and Hitachi. I tend to drift away from them all.

I'd like the next MGS for sure... if they just make it good again. Whoever they sacked after MGS1 bring them back. That game was perfect. Alongside Mario Bros 3 and Ocarina of Time. well, my top 3.

oh just to wind you up before I go to bed myself... I reckon Nintendo are going to pretty much own the next generation. The PS3 seems so Americanised "phht. we don't need to think about this, lets just stick something faster in a cheap looking shell and call it the PS3". Sony have made so many innovations. why are they dropping that now? oh well. Come the time the PS3 is out, the Xbox will be a lot less and with Sony not really a game developer and due to the Xboxs popularity the biggest of PS3 games will toddle off for more sales on the 360 (a la Viewtiful Joe, Rogue Leader, Resident Evil 4 from the Cube.). The DS will continue its strangle hold down to a massive influx of wifi games (fear the day when Pokemon DS is released) and the GB2 will obliterate the more traditional handheld market. :)
I shouldn't have done that. but meh :)
The power market will go for the 360 and the innovation market will go for the Rev.
that said.... since when has the most powerful machine ever won a console war?

[ZildjianKX]

I really want a PS3 so I can whip out my old PS1 games, never owned a PS2 and my PSX broke.

Now they just need to tell us the price and they better not push back the release date.

The only other thing I want to know is if Ghost Recon Advanced whatever is being ported to it, and if Splinter Cell 4 is.

[2nyRiggz]

I like it how you say "sony haters", when I dont think anybody here has blatantly come out and said those exact words

Sorry to bust your bubble but several people here stated it. Anytime theres info on any sony gaming rigs people go buck wild and start talking about what sony will mess up or what they won't do....but let it be 360/rev/ds then its' WOW! i can't wait....face it there is a bunch of sony handheld/console bashing here.

As i stated earlier i think sony will still be the big dog here no matter if they got delayed.
MSG4, Killzone2,Silent Hill5...lets go!


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[XNine]

Whoa, relax! take a nap, quit smoking or something!

I like it how you say "sony haters", when I dont think anybody here has blatantly come out and said those exact words, or hasn't given valid reasons towards not liking them. I've had many bad experiences with Sony, as well as Goodmans and Hitachi. I tend to drift away from them all.

I'd like the next MGS for sure... if they just make it good again. Whoever they sacked after MGS1 bring them back. That game was perfect. Alongside Mario Bros 3 and Ocarina of Time. well, my top 3.

oh just to wind you up before I go to bed myself... I reckon Nintendo are going to pretty much own the next generation. The PS3 seems so Americanised "phht. we don't need to think about this, lets just stick something faster in a cheap looking shell and call it the PS3". Sony have made so many innovations. why are they dropping that now? oh well. Come the time the PS3 is out, the Xbox will be a lot less and with Sony not really a game developer and due to the Xboxs popularity the biggest of PS3 games will toddle off for more sales on the 360 (a la Viewtiful Joe, Rogue Leader, Resident Evil 4 from the Cube.). The DS will continue its strangle hold down to a massive influx of wifi games (fear the day when Pokemon DS is released) and the GB2 will obliterate the more traditional handheld market. :)
I shouldn't have done that. but meh :)
The power market will go for the 360 and the innovation market will go for the Rev.
that said.... since when has the most powerful machine ever won a console war?

You're a prime example of a Sony hater. The "innovation market." LMAO

The rev is SOOOOO revolutionary, that get this: It will support DVD's!!! OH MY GOD! I'm going to rush out and buy it right when it's available! :rolleyes:

Looking at the specs of each (or what we know of them) The PS3 hands the Rev's ass to itself, and tells it to go home. Hell, if the specs at this time are true, then there isn't even a wired Ethernet port. Talk about being inconvenient. That means whoever doesn't have a wireless router, will definitely have to buy one, and good ones aren't under 80 bucks.

Bluray is not innovative? What does the Rev offer? Yeah thought so, technology that's been around for the last 8 years. Bluetooth? Nope. Digital out? Only proprietary, where as I can take the optical off the PS 2 and plug it right into the PS3. Media streaming? Nope.

What does it offer that's the same as the other two? Downloads? Yup. Online play? Yup. Backward Compatibility? Yup. Wireless controllers? Yup.


The media that the PS 3 alone will handle:
CD PlayStation CD-ROM, PlayStation 2 CD-ROM, CD-DA, CD-DA (ROM), CD-R, CD-RW, SACD, SACD Hybrid (CD layer), SACD HD, DualDisc, DualDisc (audio side), DualDisc (DVD side)
DVD: PlayStation 2 DVD-ROM, PlayStation 3 DVD-ROM, DVD-Video, DVD-ROM, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RW
Blu-ray Disc: PlayStation 3 BD-ROM, BD-Video, BD-ROM, BD-R, BD-RE

I find it hard to believe anyone would look at the Revolution and even TRY to compare to the PS 3 or 360. These two consoles will be the much better deal in the end. Sorry. Take Pikachu, Toad, and the power-puff looking Link and go have a little tea party.

As for the MGS series. Crack hiiiiigh. MGS 3 was the best installment yet, although MGS was great all by itself and is a classic, MGS 3, both story-line, game-play, villains, secrets, all top notch.

[ZildjianKX]

You're a prime example of a Sony hater. The "innovation market." LMAO

The rev is SOOOOO revolutionary, that get this: It will support DVD's!!! OH MY GOD! I'm going to rush out and buy it right when it's available! :rolleyes:

Looking at the specs of each (or what we know of them) The PS3 hands the Rev's ass to itself, and tells it to go home. Hell, if the specs at this time are true, then there isn't even a wired Ethernet port. Talk about being inconvenient. That means whoever doesn't have a wireless router, will definitely have to buy one, and good ones aren't under 80 bucks.

Bluray is not innovative? What does the Gamecube offer? Yeah thought so, technology that's been around for the last 8 years. Bluetooth? Nope. Digital out? Only proprietary, where as I can take the optical off the PS 2 and plug it right into the PS3. Media streaming? Nope.

What does it offer that's the same as the other two? Downloads? Yup. Online play? Yup. Backward Compatibility? Yup. Wireless controllers? Yup.


The media that the PS 3 alone will handle:
CD PlayStation CD-ROM, PlayStation 2 CD-ROM, CD-DA, CD-DA (ROM), CD-R, CD-RW, SACD, SACD Hybrid (CD layer), SACD HD, DualDisc, DualDisc (audio side), DualDisc (DVD side)
DVD: PlayStation 2 DVD-ROM, PlayStation 3 DVD-ROM, DVD-Video, DVD-ROM, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RW
Blu-ray Disc: PlayStation 3 BD-ROM, BD-Video, BD-ROM, BD-R, BD-RE

I find it hard to believe anyone would look at the Revolution and even TRY to compare to the PS 3 or 360. These two consoles will be the much better deal in the end. Sorry. Take Pikachu, Toad, and the power-puff looking Link and go have a little tea party.

As for the MGS series. Crack hiiiiigh. MGS 3 was the best installment yet, although MGS was great all by itself and is a classic, MGS 3, both story-line, game-play, villains, secrets, all top notch.

Wow, what a hardware whore.

I'm surprised you even own a mac then. Same argument as you are making, PCs are so much better than macs!

[XNine]

Wow, what a hardware whore.

I'm surprised you even own a mac then. Same argument as you are making, PCs are so much better than macs!

Hmmm, who's the hardware whore? Did I mention Macs or PC's? No. And of course I own a Mac, anyone with any common sense owns a Mac. But we won't get into that.

Don't be mad. It's okay that the revolution won't offer anything new except a controller that's a direct rip-off of those Bass-fishing games from Tiger Electronics.

[Sharpsk8101]

You're a prime example of a Sony hater. The "innovation market." LMAO

The rev is SOOOOO revolutionary, that get this: It will support DVD's!!! OH MY GOD! I'm going to rush out and buy it right when it's available! :rolleyes:

Looking at the specs of each (or what we know of them) The PS3 hands the Rev's ass to itself, and tells it to go home. Hell, if the specs at this time are true, then there isn't even a wired Ethernet port. Talk about being inconvenient. That means whoever doesn't have a wireless router, will definitely have to buy one, and good ones aren't under 80 bucks.

Bluray is not innovative? What does the Rev offer? Yeah thought so, technology that's been around for the last 8 years. Bluetooth? Nope. Digital out? Only proprietary, where as I can take the optical off the PS 2 and plug it right into the PS3. Media streaming? Nope.

What does it offer that's the same as the other two? Downloads? Yup. Online play? Yup. Backward Compatibility? Yup. Wireless controllers? Yup.


The media that the PS 3 alone will handle:
CD PlayStation CD-ROM, PlayStation 2 CD-ROM, CD-DA, CD-DA (ROM), CD-R, CD-RW, SACD, SACD Hybrid (CD layer), SACD HD, DualDisc, DualDisc (audio side), DualDisc (DVD side)
DVD: PlayStation 2 DVD-ROM, PlayStation 3 DVD-ROM, DVD-Video, DVD-ROM, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RW
Blu-ray Disc: PlayStation 3 BD-ROM, BD-Video, BD-ROM, BD-R, BD-RE

I find it hard to believe anyone would look at the Revolution and even TRY to compare to the PS 3 or 360. These two consoles will be the much better deal in the end. Sorry. Take Pikachu, Toad, and the power-puff looking Link and go have a little tea party.

As for the MGS series. Crack hiiiiigh. MGS 3 was the best installment yet, although MGS was great all by itself and is a classic, MGS 3, both story-line, game-play, villains, secrets, all top notch.

First of all, the true innovation has not yet been anounced (if only they were that smart with the analog stick). Secondly, the PS3 is just a computer shaped like a messed up toaster. If you want to do media streaming and that stuff, get another computer.

Even if the Rev isn't truely "REVOLUTIONARY", at least they are trying to do something different. I have overheard conversations at the Sony lab, "take the newest hardware and throw it in a new case," is exactly what they said.

Finally, I enjoy my tea parties and if you don't go drink alone.

[ZildjianKX]

Hmmm, who's the hardware whore? Did I mention Macs or PC's? No. And of course I own a Mac, anyone with any common sense owns a Mac. But we won't get into that.

Don't be mad. It's okay that the revolution won't offer anything new except a controller that's a direct rip-off of those Bass-fishing games from Tiger Electronics.

I was showing you a flaw in your analysis by doing an analogy, specifically that it's hypocritical of you to be so hardware-centric when you yourself are a mac user. However, your reply doesn't speak highly of your critical reading skills.

And I never even mentioned the revolution. Saying which system is best based on hardware is just silly.

PS2 was the best system last generation than either the Xbox and Gamecube and it had the worst hardware (before anyone flames me, I own a Cube and Xbox).

The Nintendo DS is looking to be better than the PSP and it has worse hardware (again, I own a PSP).

It's thinking like this that makes the Xbox so popular in the US and not in Japan... the US cares more about graphics than games it seems.

[illegalprelude]

Nintendo and Innovation? what. Touch screen, wow PDA's 7 years ago. No DVD support, didnt believe in online gameplay? please.

but you know what, their right. its just a toaster. but then again, so is a mac. Costly, few softwere for it, uses weird formats in early stages like ROM, 1 click mouses, slower processors :rolleyes:

the thing is, no matter what either side say, u wont convince the other.

We knew everything to know about the PS3 and now they add to the list
Live Like network (free)
Linux Installed
60GB Hard Drive
Downloadble content

Plus to all the other facts
Duel HDMI Out
Blue-Ray (finally, true HD, none of this BS of "HD Trailer")
Wireless
BlueTooth
PSP Support
PS2/PS1 Backwards compatibility

and im sure im missing stuff but no matter what they announce, fanboys of other systems, anti sony fans, people who dont wanna spend money and etc will always have something to argue back against.

Just like the PSP. every year, their adding so much more cooler stuff to it and yet people always complain. Somebody creates a touch face (nothing remotly new) and people call it inovative.

Also, with the revo's control detecting movement and distence and sort, couldnt the Eyetoy do that? hhmm...

Anyways, call this all you want but I see it as the truth. I own all the game systems of the last 10 years so lable me as a fanboy or see this as the truth. Regardless, were not gonna change each other opinions.

I just cant wait to enjoy my PS3 :)

[MacRumorUser]

Sorry to bust your bubble but several people here stated it. Anytime theres info on any sony gaming rigs people go buck wild and start talking about what sony will mess up or what they won't do....but let it be 360/rev/ds then its' WOW! i can't wait....face it there is a bunch of sony handheld/console bashing here.

As i stated earlier i think sony will still be the big dog here no matter if they got delayed.
MSG4, Killzone2,Silent Hill5...lets go!


Bless

And unfortunetly vice versa too. I got flamed for asking people to stay on topic and stop bringing up other consoles in threads about a specific system, so I best not go there... :)


--- PS3 ----

Sony have sold 100 million ps2's If only a third of users go out and upgrade then thats still 33million sales. Sony are going to do well regardless.

IF (yes big IF) Ps3 turn's out to be a bit of a turkey, it wont be the Ps3 that will suffer, it will be the ps4. People will be jaded and not bother buying the follow up. That was Sega's downfall. Afterall the DC was a good system, it's a shame it followed a turd...

From gamespot article. The only thing that worries me is that Sony claim they will produce 1 million units a month and will have shipped 6 million units by March 2007.

This makes it sound like there's going to be plenty, but it isnt. Look at it from the reverse side. Working backways then 6 million from march 2007 @ 1 miilion per month means that they will only have just over 1 million by November. (remember production ramps up so there will be less yield at the start of production. And remember IBM's track record alone)

Spread over three teritory's ?? Now way. I feel America & Japan may indeed see the release this year, but still would be surprised if they released in in Europe.

Also just because they say it will be NOW does not mean it is. After all they did say IT WOULD be released in spring..

----- MY CONCERN ------

Also I'm concerned if the HD isn't supplied. Gamespot were vague and if all games require HD to play are they going to market the machine as a DVD/CD/BluRay DVD player with the option of buying an HD to use it as games?

Seem's strange, but I guess it's possible.

Sony's marketing can be a little fecked up at times. After all they have been focusing so far (last E3) on how much more power & graphical prowess it would have compared to 360 (yes those fake Killzone vids that they were soon to disclaim as an example of gameplay we might see! mmm) , BUT we all know from interviews with developers that give or take the 360 & Ps3 are about the same in power..

--- Sony Marketing ----


So does this mean a dead end to marketing down that line, and mybe they are going to concentrate on the main difference between it and competitors which is it's Blu Ray player.... If they do decided to market it on that differential, then I can see the HD been released seperatly OR as an alternative GAMERS bundle.

So two bundles. A movie Home Entertainment bundle with the ps3 on its own and a GAMERS bundle with the HD included.. This is a very FEASABLE SNEAKY way of making more money and offsetting some of the guaranteed losses per hardware. It also makes you take the decision and Sony can if criticised come out with some hyperbole about giving it's customers a choice....

We'll see... :D :D

[takao]

it's gonna be interesting how they integrate Linux in the whole thing (that's coming from a Linux user)
will they use open source apps or develop their own for it ? will it run always or do you have to launch it first ?
i wonder if they add more RAM to speed it up etc.
next months gonna be interesting

[Dagless]

hehe. ok, you instantly thought that I meant hardware when I said innovation? I like that. So there is some little echo, some planted seed in your head that says that Nintendo are doing something never before done in a console.

I meant software. You know. They invented genres, they've created games (and 2 of Sony's biggest cash cows- MGS and FF) that nobody else have. Developers are saying the Revolution is going to spawn limitless new genres.

If Nintendo aren't that good then why are Sony copying them? They've already announced a Nintendogs and Advance Wars clone. sorry, strategic reaction. not clone. ;) They've already got a WarioWare game. Whats next? a decent FPS? well clearly not with the PSP's single analogue stick.

Nintendo and Innovation? what. Touch screen, wow PDA's 7 years ago. No DVD support, didnt believe in online gameplay? please.

So who else put a touch screen in a console? Who else has made the infinitely popular Nintendo DS? Didn't believe in online gameplay? Get out of here, kid, the NES had online abilities. The SNES had satellite downloads. The N64 had an online network. The GBC could go online on a few games with its infrared port and a mobile phone. Nintendo stopped online because it wasn't big. It became big with broadband.
Please don't say the DS is no innovative. It makes the sales over the PSP that much sweeter. A kids toy that isn't innovative beating a Sony machine?

We knew everything to know about the PS3 and now they add to the list
Live Like network (free)
Linux Installed
60GB Hard Drive
Downloadble content

Plus to all the other facts
Duel HDMI Out
Blue-Ray (finally, true HD, none of this BS of "HD Trailer")
Wireless
BlueTooth
PSP Support
PS2/PS1 Backwards compatibility


Firstly it's "dual". Secondly I call BS. Who was it that said the PS3 will be pumping out 1080p games to dual screens at 60fps? You never heard of Sony Marketing? Never heard of Emotion Engine? 4D?
Wireless? Handheld support? Backwards compatibility? heh. The Rev has that for gods sake. If MS had a handheld they'd probably connection with them too.
Oh, the Live Network will have a 'basic' free version. you know, like the free Xbox Live. But it's not 100% free unlike Nintendo. Like they already have the DS.
Linux? You can get linux on a bloomin calculator. It runs on the OLD Xbox. It runs on the Gamecube. You will get it on the Xbox 360 and the Revolution.
The Rev has USB ports. You can plug in pen drives for memory cards, along with the standard SD cards too. If you can plug in a pen drive you can plug in an external HDD. So what? 500gb on my Rev? I just want a few kb for game saves.
All systems will have downloadable content. Just like the SNES did.

and im sure im missing stuff but no matter what they announce, fanboys of other systems, anti sony fans, people who dont wanna spend money and etc will always have something to argue back against.
I want to spend money, but I only buy things that work. I posted a while ago about the Sony products my parents and I have owned that broke.

Just like the PSP. every year, their adding so much more cooler stuff to it and yet people always complain. Somebody creates a touch face (nothing remotly new) and people call it inovative.
Alright, so what has the PSP created thats new? hmm. Tired old games? check. The PSP can add all the features it wants. But if not one of them is good I'm not going to jump in screaming joys of love for Sony. No amount of cheap web browsers, limited to crap memory formats for digital photo viewing or a cheap MP3 player are going to get me to buy one. They need something worthwhile and good. Right now the PSP is a rich beautiful girl, who just so happens to have a pigeon instead of a brain.

Also, with the revo's control detecting movement and distence and sort, couldnt the Eyetoy do that? hhmm...
Nope. It doesn't. The Eyetoy detects movement only. The Rev controller detects angle, tilt, yaw, distance, basically anything in a 3D space. You cannot fly a plane or have a sword fight with the EyeToy.
See what I dont get is people get the Rev and the Eyetoy mixed up. The Rev will detect the most subtle of motions, the Eyetoy (a... camera) will have you throwing your arms around to play pong or you could just shake the camera if you get bored.

Anyways, call this all you want but I see it as the truth. I own all the game systems of the last 10 years so lable me as a fanboy or see this as the truth. Regardless, were not gonna change each other opinions.
clearly you haven't. You didn't know about Nintendo's unsung pioneering work in online play and networks. You have clearly never played a game on a Pocket PC, which is impossible to compare to a DS (I know, I have a DS and 2 Pocket PC's, one old, one very very new). Worms and Tomb Raider on the Pocket PC. *shudders*.

Also, let me just ask one question. When did the machine with the best specs ever succeed? hmm. Look at the roaring un-success of the Amiga! A machine from 1991 that could do video editing! Commodore went BUST!

PS3... The next Amiga? The machine that can't tell if its a console or computer, that's uber powered. that somehow fell short?

[eclipse525]

no he's not. I bought an Xbox for that reason. Xbox modding forums are FULL of people with the same thinking. Buy an Xbox, get XBMC on it, never buy a game again. My last Xbox game was Serious Sam, a gift from my girlfriend Xmas 2004. This sort of thing happens a lot.

Does he have a valid reason for some people purchasing for this reason, yes. Sorry BUT that's NOT the Majority of the people purchasing the system. People purchasing for the reason of taking advantage of Linux is small in comparison. Don't forget, the people with the skill set to accomplish this is not the norm. Don't get lost in the "Forum World" which again, is a small percentage.



~e

[nimbus]

Rev will be fun...but won't have the life span that PS3 and 360 will have.

PS3 is very future-proofed. The delay didn't hurt us, only Japan. No way were we getting a PS3 before September anyway. Xbox 360 has a chance to make a strategy vs it though, I don't think Nintendo even cares. They are banking on the fact that they will have a cheap system.

But you do realize that PS3 WILL sell out, not just because it's "the only next-gen system out" like 360 was. PS1 and PS2 combined, that's 200 million fans. PS2 was a bit over 100 million. Xbox only reached about 20 million. The fans will follow. You do the math...
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[greatdevourer]

The rev is SOOOOO revolutionary, that get this: It will support DVD's!!! OH MY GOD! I'm going to rush out and buy it right when it's available! :rolleyes:

Looking at the specs of each (or what we know of them) The PS3 hands the Rev's ass to itself, and tells it to go home. Hell, if the specs at this time are true, then there isn't even a wired Ethernet port. Talk about being inconvenient. That means whoever doesn't have a wireless router, will definitely have to buy one, and good ones aren't under 80 bucks.

Bluray is not innovative? What does the Rev offer? Yeah thought so, technology that's been around for the last 8 years. Bluetooth? Nope. Digital out? Only proprietary, where as I can take the optical off the PS 2 and plug it right into the PS3. Media streaming? Nope.

What does it offer that's the same as the other two? Downloads? Yup. Online play? Yup. Backward Compatibility? Yup. Wireless controllers? Yup.


The media that the PS 3 alone will handle:
CD PlayStation CD-ROM, PlayStation 2 CD-ROM, CD-DA, CD-DA (ROM), CD-R, CD-RW, SACD, SACD Hybrid (CD layer), SACD HD, DualDisc, DualDisc (audio side), DualDisc (DVD side)
DVD: PlayStation 2 DVD-ROM, PlayStation 3 DVD-ROM, DVD-Video, DVD-ROM, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RW
Blu-ray Disc: PlayStation 3 BD-ROM, BD-Video, BD-ROM, BD-R, BD-RE

I find it hard to believe anyone would look at the Revolution and even TRY to compare to the PS 3 or 360. These two consoles will be the much better deal in the end. Sorry. Take Pikachu, Toad, and the power-puff looking Link and go have a little tea party.

1) When will cows get this into their little heads: What Revolution specs? If you know something the rest of us don't, then please share, but stop saying that "the Rev's specs suck", because no-one outside the big N knows them
2) Bluray is not innovative? No, it isn't. That's like saying that 500GB HDDs are innovative compared to mere 300GB ones
3) Digital out? Only proprietary, where as I can take the optical off the PS 2 and plug it right into the PS3. What precisely do you mean by this statement? That Nintendo have their own 5.1 decoders? Cuz if they do, I've never seen one
4) Media streaming? Nope Again, please release your super source inside Nintendo, because I didn't know that Ninty said no to media streaming
5) I find it hard to believe anyone would look at the Revolution and even TRY to compare to the PS 3 or 360. These two consoles will be the much better deal in the end. Sorry. Take Pikachu, Toad, and the power-puff looking Link and go have a little tea party. I think this rounds it off. Be. Quiet.

[greatdevourer]

Rev will be fun...but won't have the life span that PS3 and 360 will have.

PS3 is very future-proofed. The delay didn't hurt us, only Japan. No way were we getting a PS3 before September anyway. Xbox 360 has a chance to make a strategy vs it though, I don't think Nintendo even cares. They are banking on the fact that they will have a cheap system.

But you do realize that PS3 WILL sell out, not just because it's "the only next-gen system out" like 360 was. PS1 and PS2 combined, that's 200 million fans. PS2 was a bit over 100 million. Xbox only reached about 20 million. The fans will follow. You do the math...
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: However, a large number of the people who bought the PS2 are not "fans" as such. They have no perticular preference. About 60-80% of those people bought it because it was what everyone else got. A lot of people are getting 360s, and so that will be what everyone else has, etc

[GFLPraxis]

Looking at the specs of each (or what we know of them) The PS3 hands the Rev's ass to itself, and tells it to go home. Hell, if the specs at this time are true, then there isn't even a wired Ethernet port. Talk about being inconvenient. That means whoever doesn't have a wireless router, will definitely have to buy one, and good ones aren't under 80 bucks.

We know NOTHING on the Revolution specs. Oh, there's WiFi, and may not be a wired ethernet port, and there may be Bluetooth.

The rumored specs are a load of crap. They've been disproved multiple times.

Bluray is not innovative? What does the Rev offer? Yeah thought so, technology that's been around for the last 8 years. Bluetooth? Nope. Digital out? Only proprietary, where as I can take the optical off the PS 2 and plug it right into the PS3. Media streaming? Nope.

Actually, one interview with a Nintendo rep said the Revolution has bluetooth.

You seriously need to get an understanding of the word innovative. Adding a digital out port is not "innovation". Adding Bluetooth is not "innovation". Adding a disk drive that stores more data is not "innovative". The Revolution uses technology that's been around for the last 8 years?

I can't even begin to describe what is wrong with your thought process. There has NEVER been a controller like the Revolution controller. No gyroscopic mouse senses depth and I haven't heard of anything that detects where on the screen you are pointing on a regular TV without special sensors (the light gun detects if you hit the target or not because it paints the target with a color for a split second, it doesn't actually detect where you hit).


Others say it better than me.


Wow, what a hardware whore.



I find it hard to believe anyone would look at the Revolution and even TRY to compare to the PS 3 or 360. These two consoles will be the much better deal in the end. Sorry. Take Pikachu, Toad, and the power-puff looking Link and go have a little tea party.

Oh, right, you're the one who proclaimed he wasn't a fanboy because he liked Nintendo in the past.
ROFL. Please, stop talking, you're just going to start more arguements and embarrass yourself.

[GFLPraxis]

Nintendo and Innovation? what. Touch screen, wow PDA's 7 years ago. No DVD support, didnt believe in online gameplay? please.


DVD support isn't innovation, I couldn't care less. And the Rev has it. As for online gameplay, that was Nintendo's old president, who was rather stuck up and known for arrogance.

Also, with the revo's control detecting movement and distence and sort, couldnt the Eyetoy do that? hhmm...


No...Eyetoy detects movement. It does not detect:
A) Distance
B) Where on the screen you are pointing
C) Tilt and rotation

[Abulia]

Hey, another console-specific thread goes down in flames! :rolleyes:

You know, and I'm totally off-topic here, this forum needs a forum-specific moderator (or more) who prevent these sort of things happening. You come in to take a dump and threadcrap on someone's discussion? BAM. Take some time off.

It'd be ugly in the beginning but eventually people would learn...if you've no interest in the PS3/360/Rev then don't read the friggin thread!

End rant. :)

[GFLPraxis]

Don M, it's not so much a case of people invading the thread as a mega-PS3 fanboy spouting a gigantic rant bashing another console for no reason and a bunch of people responding. A lot of us are not here to promote our favorite systems- I'm genuinely here to discuss the PS3- but people like Onizuka are basicly running around TRYING to provoke fans of other systems into responding.

[Abulia]

Don M, it's not so much a case of people invading the thread as a mega-PS3 fanboy spouting a gigantic rant bashing another console for no reason and a bunch of people responding.See, you're missing the point though. This happens in nearly every thread and it's not the same person. In this thead it's a PS3 fanboi going nuts, in a 360 thread it's a bunch of Rev fanboi's going nuts, in a Rev thread some 360 fanboi wanders in and goes nuts.

It's so commonplace that it makes having a meaningful discussion nigh impossible. I also report like crazy but you can't keep up with the threadcrapping.

[GFLPraxis]

Very true. You're right, we do need a moderator for this specific section.

The general mods (no offense) don't have time to read all threads so simply ban people for a few days when they make an offending post. It'd be much nicer to have someone who reads, sees context, and deletes flamebait and responses seamlessly without disrupting a thread.

[Abulia]

Very true. You're right, we do need a moderator for this specific section.

The general mods (no offense) don't have time to read all threads so simply ban people for a few days when they make an offending post. It'd be much nicer to have someone who reads, sees context, and deletes flamebait and responses seamlessly without disrupting a thread.Agreed. This is my thinking entirely. The mods (no offense) take too long to respond, and if they do, they merely delete the post with no warning. This also presumes that the offending post was reported at all...

[Dagless]

Does he have a valid reason for some people purchasing for this reason, yes. Sorry BUT that's NOT the Majority of the people purchasing the system. People purchasing for the reason of taking advantage of Linux is small in comparison. Don't forget, the people with the skill set to accomplish this is not the norm. Don't get lost in the "Forum World" which again, is a small percentage.



~e

What I said was a response to a guy saying "nobody buys an Xbox to be a media centre only" when they jolly well do. Of course its a minority but there are a lot of people who do this.

I'm gathering up components now to get my old Xbox running in 720, or 1080 if I'm lucky. even if its just the Media centre. a 1080i/p streamer for the cost of a few extra bits and bobs is minimal compared to flat out buying a PS3 or any dedicated 1080 streamer.

anyways... My girlfriend has just ordered me Metroid Hunters as a late birthday present so woo :) *i mean just this minute too*

[GFLPraxis]

What I said was a response to a guy saying "nobody buys an Xbox to be a media centre only" when they jolly well do. Of course its a minority but there are a lot of people who do this.

I'm gathering up components now to get my old Xbox running in 720, or 1080 if I'm lucky. even if its just the Media centre. a 1080i/p streamer for the cost of a few extra bits and bobs is minimal compared to flat out buying a PS3 or any dedicated 1080 streamer.

anyways... My girlfriend has just ordered me Metroid Hunters as a late birthday present so woo :) *i mean just this minute too*

Friendly word of advice, jimmi...probably not a good idea to make a post about XBox and the latest DS game while we're complaining about threadcrappers in a PS3 thread :o

[Haoshiro]

I vote for Don M and MacRumorUser for being the "Games" forum moderators! :D

[bousozoku]

Have you all gone nuts?


I'd suggest that you take a break or we can close the thread and everyone will take a break from it.

[MacRumorUser]

I vote for Don M and MacRumorUser for being the "Games" forum moderators! :D

I'd happily do it :) How about it mods ;) seriously PM me to me know..

[ChrisK018]

That is a very narrow interpretation of the thread title. If we are on a Mac Rumors site talking under the "games" section about PS3 delays... now we should not be able to talk about other platforms? Maybe there is some PlaystationRumors Forum you should go to for such specific conversational desire.

Since we are not so narrow-minded, give the people what they want. Some people can see the thread and say, "that's why the PS3 sux" and others, like me, will wait until whenever and buy it. No amount of fanboy rants will sway me.

I also agree with the various people that argue that it's all about the games. The PS3 will have good games, and that is why I will buy one. Same goes for the upcoming Nintendo system. I like their games, and heaven forbid, think they have made some of the best games of all time. I will buy one of those too.

[~Shard~]

now we should not be able to talk about other platforms?

I don't see any problems talking about other platforms. I think it becomes an issue however when people start calling each other fanboys, insulting each other and engaging in mindless circular arguments which have no point and value. Not all of the comments are like this of course, but there are many in this thread and I agree it is geting carried away.

Constructive debate and discussion is welcome, childish jabber is not - and that goes for any thread on MacRumors, not just this one. :cool:

[nimbus]

However, a large number of the people who bought the PS2 are not "fans" as such. They have no perticular preference. About 60-80% of those people bought it because it was what everyone else got. A lot of people are getting 360s, and so that will be what everyone else has, etc

Incorrect. A lot of people got PS2 because of PS1's success. Xbox 360 sold because no other new system was out. And it isn't selling at the moment since you can't get a copy.

About 8 million Xbox 360's will be sold by the time PS3 comes out. That's fantastic, seeing that the original only sold about 20 million. PS2 sold over 100 million. That's a lot. Those people will get the PS3...seeing that your crapshot theory is true. The PS3 will sell out by default, it's a more popular system than Xbox 360...and its not even released.

11/11/06...
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[iPhil]

I don't see any problems talking about other platforms. I think it becomes an issue however when people start calling each other fanboys, insulting each other and engaging in mindless circular arguments which have no point and value. Not all of the comments are like this of course, but there are many in this thread and I agree it is geting carried away.

Constructive debate and discussion is welcome, childish jabber is not - and that goes for any thread on MacRumors, not just this one. :cool:


thanks ~Shard~ this thread getting nasty with all the 'fanboi' talk .. its not 5th grade no more ... I'm hopefully that we're all adults here and stop the childish insults, its getting annoying my nerves .. :mad: :mad:

[MacRumorUser]

thanks ~Shard~ this thread getting nasty with all the 'fanboi' talk .. its not 5th grade no more ... I'm hopefully that we're all adults here and stop the childish insults, its getting annoying my nerves .. :mad: :mad:

Agree with you both completely. Even when I interjected in the nonsense to try and bring back focus with serious constructive discussion, they continued bickering on :( It seems to happen all the time and gets tiresome, a moderator is required to try and bring back some order to the chaos, otherwise it will only get worse unfortunately.

[ChrisK018]

I apologize if me saying "fanboy rants" is taken as being negative. My goal in saying it was to get away from the subject.

In the spirit of getting constructive again, is the PS3 going to be one of the first Blu-Ray players available at a good price? With the 360, it just plays DVD's now right? A HD-DVD drive for it comes later? Depending on when the 360 gets the HD DVD drive, these two platforms will probably end up as the key forces driving the new version of the VHS versus Beta battle of the 80s. Delaying the PS3 might hurt that cause, and if Apple is also supporting the Blu Ray... that's a good thing for Macs either.

[Abulia]

In the spirit of getting constructive again, is the PS3 going to be one of the first Blu-Ray players available at a good price? With the 360, it just plays DVD's now right? A HD-DVD drive for it comes later? Depending on when the 360 gets the HD DVD drive, these two platforms will probably end up as the key forces driving the new version of the VHS versus Beta battle of the 80s. Delaying the PS3 might hurt that cause, and if Apple is also supporting the Blu Ray... that's a good thing for Macs either.Well, Sony announced preorders for their stand alone Blu-Ray player today...wait for it...retailing at $999. :eek: No earthly idea when you can buy it, though.

The HD-DVD players are quite a bit less and will be out within 30-60 days. You're right on the 360 add-on: it's an external add-on device to add HD-DVD abilities to the 360. The nice thing about this is that the total cost of ownership will still be less than a stand alone player (probably) and will further spread out the cost over several months. For example, I'm more likely to buy a $199 add-on (price totally made up) for my 360 to play HD-DVD games, as that's my immediate cost; I've already sunk the cost for the 360 5 months ago.

So between the HD-DVD players being released sooner -- and at lower cost -- with a 360 HD-DVD player on the horizon and the PS3 nary in sight for 7 more months, Blu-Ray might have an uphill battle as well.

[GFLPraxis]

I apologize if me saying "fanboy rants" is taken as being negative. My goal in saying it was to get away from the subject.

In the spirit of getting constructive again, is the PS3 going to be one of the first Blu-Ray players available at a good price? With the 360, it just plays DVD's now right? A HD-DVD drive for it comes later? Depending on when the 360 gets the HD DVD drive, these two platforms will probably end up as the key forces driving the new version of the VHS versus Beta battle of the 80s. Delaying the PS3 might hurt that cause, and if Apple is also supporting the Blu Ray... that's a good thing for Macs either.

Actually, Apple is in both camps. They are supporting Blu-ray but they are also members of the DVD Forum which is backing HD-DVD. Essentially- they're supporting both.

[Abulia]

I vote for Don M and MacRumorUser for being the "Games" forum moderators! :DI'd nominate GFLPraxis -- even though we rarely see eye-to-eye on topics -- but thanks for the vote of confidence. :)

[MacRumorUser]

I apologize if me saying "fanboy rants" is taken as being negative. My goal in saying it was to get away from the subject.

In the spirit of getting constructive again, is the PS3 going to be one of the first Blu-Ray players available at a good price? With the 360, it just plays DVD's now right? A HD-DVD drive for it comes later? Depending on when the 360 gets the HD DVD drive, these two platforms will probably end up as the key forces driving the new version of the VHS versus Beta battle of the 80s. Delaying the PS3 might hurt that cause, and if Apple is also supporting the Blu Ray... that's a good thing for Macs either.

No bother :)

That's it though isn't it. Is that how they are going to market it? More so even than a gaming device. Some may buy it just for the BluRay player.

That's what leads me to believe they may release a movie pack (slightly cheaper without the HD, and a gamers/pro pack with the HD..

Does sound plausible, means they are not wasting cost on an audience who have no interest in gaming, but just want a cheap HD player.

The FORMAT (HDDVD & BluRay) battle hasn't even begun and what is surprising is that were assuming that one of them will be triumphant. Having seen a fair amount of movie trailers in HD 720p & 1080p surprisingly to me it wasn't such a huge leap as Video to DVD was, and persuading the general public to part with $500-800 upwards for a slightly better version might not persuade the majority of buyers. Most homes still don't have a TV set to view HD in yet (excluding us gadget geeks) and persuading average joe that he's going to part with a lot of money on what may seem as unnecessary pricey hardware might be a harder task.

Neither May Win - an example of this recently happening?

Look at Mini-Disc & Philips DCC - both brought out to replace cassette, even though mini-disc won the battle, Cassette tape still won that war - Hey overall in fact MP3 won the bigger war - a format no one knew of and one that reduces quality not improves it - the opposite of HD-DVD & BLU-RAY. With more portable video devices coming out, it's decent reduction in quality that's probably going to be the future - not either of the HD DVD formats?

Added to the fact that China has been given the go ahead to develop a Third HD DVD format, from the DVD Forum, so its even more a shade of grey :confused: :confused:

[Abulia]

The FORMAT (HDDVD & BluRay) battle hasn't even begun and what is surprising is that were assuming that one of them will be triumphant. Having seen a fairamount of movie trailers in HD 720p & 1080p surprisingly to me it wasnt such a huge leap as Video to DVD was, and persuading the general public to part with $500-800 upwards for a slightly better version might not persuade the majority of buyers. Most homes still dont have a TV set to view HD in yet (excluding us gadget geeks) and persuading average joe that he's going to part with a lot of money on what may seem as unecessary pricey hardware might be a harder task.I've had a HDTV and content for over four years. I'm now on my third set. There is a slight difference between 720p and 1080i content depending on the source material. Fast action prefers 720p, otherwise 1080i works great. Keep in mind that I'm something of a home theater nut. Thus, if I'm hard-pressed to tell the difference between 720p and 1080i, Joe User isn't going to be able to tell the difference at all.

I've not seen a 1080p signal so I can't comment on that. Regarding HDTV penetration numbers:"At the end of 2004, there were 11 million HD households, each owning an average of 1.2 HD sets,” Kagan Research associate Patrick Johnson said in a prepared statement. ”We project that the average price of an HD set will decline some 38% by 2010, reducing the average price to $1,139. Rapid price declines, coupled with increasing levels of HD programming, will drive the number of HD households to nearly 97 million in 2010, penetrating more than 82% of total TV households.”
Elsewhere in its “The State of High Definition Television 2006” report, Kagan estimated that 9.1 million HD sets will be sold to consumers this year, compared with 3.4 million and 5.6 million bought in 2003 and 2004, respectively.
9.1 + 3.4 + 5.6 = 18.4 million sets. So we're looking at a 16.4% HDTV penetration rate at the end of 2005 (110.2 million households). (Source (http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6283333.html?display=Breaking+News))
Finally...Data released last week by Leichtman Research Group Inc. and Kagan Research LLC said that with dropping prices and the availability of more enhanced format content, more than one in two households will own HDTV sets by the end of 2010.
...
89% of adults nationwide have heard of the format;
11% of non-HDTV owners expressed some interest in purchasing the equipment if it cost $1,000.

[MacRumorUser]

9.1 + 3.4 + 5.6 = 18.4 million sets. So we're looking at a 16.4% HDTV penetration rate at the end of 2005 (110.2 million households). (Source (http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6283333.html?display=Breaking+News))
Finally...

I assume that's the States.. You've had HDTV over there for much longer than in Europe. It's only with LCD & Plasma that has introduced it over here.

Yea I cant really tell the difference on 720p & 1080i at all either...

Mind you !!! We only get electricity in Ireland last year - when they got rid of the donkey & cart :D Oh Happy St.Patricks Day to everyone :)

We will get HD broadcasts in May from Sky, so it will be interesting to see how well the manage to get it into peoples homes.. I'm guessing it will take longer than they envision..

[Abulia]

I assume that's the States..Correct. I haven't researched the data on worldwide.

[Dagless]

Since we are not so narrow-minded, give the people what they want. Some people can see the thread and say, "that's why the PS3 sux" and others, like me, will wait until whenever and buy it. No amount of fanboy rants will sway me.

*sigh* This thread was fine until Onizuka got a little angry. if you ignore that it's fine. This thread was meant as a discussion about the PS3's release date and Sony's PR about it. When you get people swearing then you know the right people aren't here.

[GFLPraxis]

9.1 + 3.4 + 5.6 = 18.4 million sets. So we're looking at a 16.4% HDTV penetration rate at the end of 2005 (110.2 million households). (Source (http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6283333.html?display=Breaking+News))
Finally...

I must say here, that I'm not sure about this. I know maybe 2 people with HDTV's (granted, a lot of people I know are poor college students). However, I know that every local store has DOZENS of HDTV's placed all over the place. Every GameStop has like two of them. Sears and several other stores in the mall have tons (I'm not talking about the ones they're selling, but ones placed around for people to watch). The BANK has 80" HDTV plasmas all over the place. A local fancy hotel has them all over the place. Even the local gym has a 50" projection TV they got years ago- if it was a newer gym it would have been a HDTV. In fact, most places that are slightly tech related, even if they aren't even selling HDTV's, have big HDTV's everywhere either advertising or for people to watch.

I wonder how many of those HDTV's are businesses.
Or perhaps my area just has really low HDTV saturation.

[GFLPraxis]

I'd nominate GFLPraxis -- even though we rarely see eye-to-eye on topics -- but thanks for the vote of confidence. :)

Coming from you, my debating opponent, that means a lot :o Thanks for the vote of confidence!

I would nominate you as well; though I highly doubt the moderators will appoint people by our nominations. :)

[MacRumorUser]

Coming from you, my debating opponent, that means a lot :o Thanks for the vote of confidence!

I would nominate you as well; though I highly doubt the moderators will appoint people by our nominations. :)

True, I'm open to it, but doubt we'll get in :)

[g30ffr3y]

im gonna buy a PS3 and a revolution because im
sure both systems will have fun games that i will
want to play regardless of which system has
7000000000000000000000000 processors
and i hundred gazzillion flops of poop...

[bousozoku]

Very true. You're right, we do need a moderator for this specific section.

The general mods (no offense) don't have time to read all threads so simply ban people for a few days when they make an offending post. It'd be much nicer to have someone who reads, sees context, and deletes flamebait and responses seamlessly without disrupting a thread.

No offense, but if people can't write properly, why should anyone take their own time to carefully clean up their posts?

Agreed. This is my thinking entirely. The mods (no offense) take too long to respond, and if they do, they merely delete the post with no warning. This also presumes that the offending post was reported at all...

No offense, but when many of the people here are so "enthusiastic" that they can't be bothered to write or spell correctly or think through a whole idea, how can anyone respond quickly enough to keep up with the storm? As far as deleting whole posts, they generally don't contain enough good information to keep; otherwise, the offensive stuff is deleted from the post and the rest remains.

Coming from you, my debating opponent, that means a lot :o Thanks for the vote of confidence!

I would nominate you as well; though I highly doubt the moderators will appoint people by our nominations. :)

You're right. It works the other way.

[MacRumorUser]

im gonna buy a PS3 and a revolution because im
sure both systems will have fun games that i will
want to play regardless of which system has
7000000000000000000000000 processors
and i hundred gazzillion flops of poop...

How many processors ;) Yep as a mature gamer I'll be getting both regardless and never had any other intention - regardless of when they are released or price. I might say I wont, but I know I will..... :)

That's the one thing I don't understand about console specific fanaticism, what do you benefit from it? If you enjoy gaming, surely a great game is great regardless of the format it's on....

[GFLPraxis]

No offense, but if people can't write properly, why should anyone take their own time to carefully clean up their posts?


I don't mean clean up grammatical errors, I meant delete posts that are flaming or off topic. And I understand completely that the primary moderators and admins are generally too busy to nitpick through individual posts, being admin at several boards of my own.

[GFLPraxis]

im gonna buy a PS3 and a revolution because im
sure both systems will have fun games that i will
want to play regardless of which system has
7000000000000000000000000 processors
and i hundred gazzillion flops of poop...

Actually, if there was a system with 7000000000000000000000000 and a hundred gazillion flops, I would buy it and *emulate* the other systems. :D

[2nyRiggz]

Gezz this thread has blossom since the last time I saw it. What i would say to add point....Just respect everybody no matter where there feeling are.

Drop the "my system rule" crap and just talk about it...grown folks here(i should hope)


Bless

[takao]

The FORMAT (HDDVD & BluRay) battle hasn't even begun and what is surprising is that were assuming that one of them will be triumphant. Having seen a fair amount of movie trailers in HD 720p & 1080p surprisingly to me it wasn't such a huge leap as Video to DVD was, and persuading the general public to part with $500-800 upwards for a slightly better version might not persuade the majority of buyers. Most homes still don't have a TV set to view HD in yet (excluding us gadget geeks) and persuading average joe that he's going to part with a lot of money on what may seem as unnecessary pricey hardware might be a harder task.

yeah that is what i'm thinking about too.. is the high resolution advantage enough to sell normal customers blu-ray ?
i think a lot of tech savy people would be surprised how many people buy hdtvs just because they are big and flat screens and not because of the high resolution (at least it's this way over here)

i've yet to meet soeone who knows about blu-ray/hd-dvd and actually like it.. i guess if i got 10 bucks for every time i heard "blu-ray/hd-tv is ridiculous" or "what's that ?" when talking about either i guess i could afford all consoles and a HDTV

[Haoshiro]

<snip>That's the one thing I don't understand about console specific fanaticism, what do you benefit from it? If you enjoy gaming, surely a great game is great regardless of the format it's on....

I think part of this has to do with a person feeling like they've been "mistreated" or "cheated" by one company and cared for by another; or simply because they are tired of something they like getting flamed; or a company is just to big/popular, heh; and lastly, retaliatation

A perfect example of this is Microsoft and Apple.

Why do people hate on Microsoft, specifically Windows?
- They feel mistreated by them.
- They feel the product is inferior.
- Too many people use it and ignore "better" solutions.
- Microsoft is too big/makes too much money.
- They use something else and a Windows user flamed it.

The fact is, though, that there is some really great programs on the platform and some very talented developers that use it. People may have never known of that software or never used it but the people that have are likely to get annoyed when you come and flame the platform in disregard for the great software that is there.

Same for consoles. I myself have felt over the years as though Sony has lied to the public, sold inferior consoles, and as a result of their marketting won over a significant share of the market from more respectable companies like Nintendo.

Rather then feeling like Sony has improved console gaming I have often felt like what they actually did is build a huge customer/fan base using hyperbolic marketting that was deceptive. This in turn lured developers to their shoddy hardware; which, in turn, lead to games being less then they could have been - especially with Sony's near non-existent quality control.

Anyway, that's my small take on the "why" ;)

[Dagless]

... ;)

Which is a why a lot of people equate Nintendo with Apple. They have the same small market, similar values
I've been cheated by Sony in the past. But of course that makes me a raving fanboy. Hell bent from never seeing anything positive from Sony, because the PS3 is going to be "teh best thing Sony maek lol". If you look around my blog I posted my experiences with Sony hardware in the past. Basically the only thing made by Sony in this house is a set of mid-range 1980's speakers, though the tweeter has blown on one of them rendering any point in their existence unusable. especially since they're square!

I'm in the same boat with Microsoft. The longest thing I've owned from MS that was of any quality was an Intelliexplorer mouse. It is rather dandy though. Certainly built like a tank.

I've never had an Apple or Nintendo machine fail on me. Or Siemens or Toshiba. So I have faith in them. Faith that there's no dead-pixel gamble, or needs a replacement part or that I'd end up with having to buy multiple revisions before I found one that worked perfectly. Partly the reason why I'm not putting blind faith into the PS3, especially after the lies, damned lies and Sony PR lies of the PS2 and PSP.


Anyways. Has anyone mentioned that all PS3's will come with a HDD? that's a bit of news if nobody has said that. *cheers Joystiq*

[GFLPraxis]

Anyways. Has anyone mentioned that all PS3's will come with a HDD? that's a bit of news if nobody has said that. *cheers Joystiq*

Yes...multiple times.

It's actually a contested point. Several sites like Joystiq and 1UP said it's standard, but GameSpot says that Sony just said the HDD was required and didn't specify whether it was included or not, and IGN initially reported it was standard and then updated and said that after reviewing it, they actually didn't specify. However, Sony's slide said "60 GB HDD, upgradeable" which to me implies that it comes with a 60 GB HDD which can be upgraded- otherwise it would have said "upgradeable HDD".

[GFLPraxis]

Oh, for those who were questioning it, new info:
http://uk.videogames.games.yahoo.com/25/news/ps3-will-have-hard-drive-as-standard-3c0925.html
Our Sony representative has confirmed this morning that PlayStation 3 will come with a 60GB HDD as standard, but that can be upgraded if preferred.

Some of the larger US websites have been speculating that PlayStation 3 would be shipping with an optional 60GB hard disc drive. However we can confirm this morning that all PS3 consoles will be sold with the HDD out of the box. Sony's president of Computer Entertainment, Ken Kutaragi, announced on Wednesday that all PS3 games are being developed to take advantage of the 60GB HDD.

Another essential use for the HDD will be Sony's online service, which will offer downloads in a similar way to Microsoft's Xbox Live platform. Clearly now it is Sony's intention to standardise the PlayStation 3 community, so that all developers know that everybody who owns PS3 will benefit from HDD-related features in-game. Bizarrely this used to be Microsoft's standpoint with its original Xbox, but the Redmond corporation has since taken an about turn with Xbox 360.

As I thought.

[illegalprelude]

yea, what they mean with upgrade is that you can get a bigger HDD in the future if you so choose too.