PSP Gets PSOne Emulator

[MacRy]

Sounds pretty cool. Wonder how much they'll charge for them?

http://www.pspworld.com/sony-psp/news/psp-gets-psone-downloads-emulator-003504.php

[GFLPraxis]

Mentioned in the PS3 thread, but oh well.

Questions:

How does this work, considering that PSP is widescreen and lower resolution than regular TV's? I've emulated NES on DS and GBA and it squishes the lines...will it be the same on PSP?

How will this work with games that require dual analog?

Won't you need a HUGE memory card?

[Haoshiro]

Controls are a definite issue and my guess is releases will be kept to those not requiring dual-analog or those extra L2/R2 buttons.

As for size, its true some games use the entire disc (and more) but there are many that don't. The FF compilation is about 100MB and keep in mind you probably won't be downloading ISOs, so many games could be smaller then you expect.

FMV on playstation games is what can take up the most space, perhaps re-encoding them with newer compression and codecs could reduce their size.

Think of Zelda: Ocarina of Time for N64, it was 32MB in size for the entire game! FMV would have bloated that considerably.

[Bubbasteve]

Finally.... Chrono Trigger AND Chrono Cross for the handheld machine :cool:

[zap2]

Sony evil plan to get people buying more memory sticks!:eek:

Also with sony making a 199 PSP with not extras(but battery and wall charger) people also need to buy a memory stick, to save games. If sony had kept the memory stick in the 199 PSP, it would be much nicer(nice enought for me to buy!)

[illegalprelude]

Sony evil plan to get people buying more memory sticks!:eek:

Also with sony making a 199 PSP with not extras(but battery and wall charger) people also need to buy a memory stick, to save games. If sony had kept the memory stick in the 199 PSP, it would be much nicer(nice enought for me to buy!)

So you complain that that sonys plan is to make people buy bigger memory sticks but now that there is a price cut, you wont buy it because it dosent come with a 32MB memory stick? even though the regular PSP comes with it and we all know like you said, thats not gonna be enough to hold PSOne games.:confused: :rolleyes:

Anyways.
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:D Im gonna buy a PSP right now!!! *turns around, hugs my PSP* DOne :D :eek: :cool:
Oh what shall I do on March 24th, its gonna be my PSP's 1 year anniversiry ;)

[OnceUGoMac]

I just bought a PSP and this is exciting stuff. I guess I'll need to get a larger memory card.

[Haoshiro]

I just don't get it, why did any of you get a PSP? There has just been no compelling reason for me to get one, especially at it's price (or even a reduce $199 MSRP).

Few/poor games, terrible battery life, high price... this is all what I've gathered about the device (even after using it). And I have a Sony camera with a 1GB memory stick and even that doesn't do anything to make the purchase more tempting.

So... why?

[illegalprelude]

I just bought a PSP and this is exciting stuff. I guess I'll need to get a larger memory card.

I can give you a link for 2GB for $100 shipped OR u can wait till June when the 4GB comes out :D

[OnceUGoMac]

I just don't get it, why did any of you get a PSP? There has just been no compelling reason for me to get one, especially at it's price (or even a reduce $199 MSRP).

Few/poor games, terrible battery life, high price... this is all what I've gathered about the device (even after using it). And I have a Sony camera with a 1GB memory stick and even that doesn't do anything to make the purchase more tempting.

So... why?

My girlfriend and I skipped our classes and went to Gamespot. I'm flying Southwest to Seattle out of Midway and wanted something to play with while I wait to board and for the flight itself. I was initially going to get a DS because they're awesome. I had a DS in hand and a few games and thought, "My girlfriend already has a DS, maybe I should get a PSP instead." I got the PSP with a few games and movies and she's a bit jealous. We figured we can't break up because I got the XBox and the PSP, and she has the PS2 and the DS (or until we get next gen consoles :p ).

[Haoshiro]

Well that's an interesting reason at least... heh. Myself, it would have been the opposite; I'd have gone with a DS so we could share games as well as play them together! heheh. My wife would definitely play Mario Kart DS if we had a couple. Just have a single GBA SP atm.

[zap2]

So you complain that that sonys plan is to make people buy bigger memory sticks but now that there is a price cut, you wont buy it because it dosent come with a 32MB memory stick? even though the regular PSP comes with it and we all know like you said, thats not gonna be enough to hold PSOne games.:confused: :rolleyes:
;)


I would not use PSone for the PSP, i find the PS1/2 system crappy(don't flame) but people who like them would need larger memory cards.

For me(a guy who would not use PSone for the PSP) i would only need a small memory card (aka 32mb) for games only(to use the PSP as a music players it even more cash for memory sticks) but with out a memory stick coming with a PSP i would have to buy a stick. So it would end up being no price cut because i need a memory stick, i would also have to get a case. And after that i'm already at 250 again(perhaps a bit less but it a small amount)


It's not really a deal, to buy what the 250 PSP had it will cost more(or as much) when your buy it with 199 PSP , memory card, case, and all the other extras that came with the 250 PSP.

[illegalprelude]

I just don't get it, why did any of you get a PSP? There has just been no compelling reason for me to get one, especially at it's price (or even a reduce $199 MSRP).

Few/poor games, terrible battery life, high price... this is all what I've gathered about the device (even after using it). And I have a Sony camera with a 1GB memory stick and even that doesn't do anything to make the purchase more tempting.

So... why?


hahahaha how so many people view the macs ;) yet we all own one

[GFLPraxis]

So you complain that that sonys plan is to make people buy bigger memory sticks but now that there is a price cut, you wont buy it because it dosent come with a 32MB memory stick? even though the regular PSP comes with it and we all know like you said, thats not gonna be enough to hold PSOne games.:confused: :rolleyes:

Anyways.
GPS
EyeToy
Video Chat
Flash Games
RSS Video

:D Im gonna buy a PSP right now!!! *turns around, hugs my PSP* DOne :D :eek: :cool:
Oh what shall I do on March 24th, its gonna be my PSP's 1 year anniversiry ;)

Those are all going to be addons. As in, $$$

Honestly, Sony is coming out with some cool stuff, and I would consider getting a PSP, except that:
A) There are virtually no games I want
B) The games still cost $50
C) After having had my DS with the capability of playing videos, I've realized that you can't watch a video while walking or driving a car or sitting in a classroom, and when sitting down I have my laptop, so I have no reason to have a portable video player.


Perhaps when the system hits $150 I'll get it in addition to my DS. Or maybe after I get a PS3 (after it's price goes down as well).

[2nyRiggz]

Sony evil plan to get people buying more memory sticks!:eek:

Also with sony making a 199 PSP with not extras(but battery and wall charger) people also need to buy a memory stick, to save games. If sony had kept the memory stick in the 199 PSP, it would be much nicer(nice enought for me to buy!)

Complain that its too much now complaining thats its not enough....make your mind up. Back on topic..YES!! silent hill 1!!


Bless

[Haoshiro]

Oh, I'd disagree :) I think Mac, especially OS X, has a great many things going for it and really great quality software; and very good software value. I consider a Macs primary use general computing and media playback/editing and it does this stuff great (I've only been a mac owner since the Intel Macs came out, which is when I switched - although not because they were using Intels primarily).

So in that sense, I think the Macs do what they are designed for excellently and have the software and quality to back that up. PSP on the other hand is designed primarily for Gaming and at least the software does not seem to back that up. ;)

[GFLPraxis]

hahahaha how so many people view the macs ;) yet we all own one

Except that Macs aren't gaming machines, so "few games" isn't as important ;)

[zap2]

Complain that its too much now complaining thats its not enough....make your mind up. Back on topic..YES!! silent hill 1!!


Bless
I was complaing the price was to much(at 250), now with a lower price(which is still high IMO) it does not come ready to play. Nothing pisses me off more then when a company makes your buy more stuff to use its product.(i understand you need buy games or songs, moives not with the origanal unit) but the stuff to save it on!



Sell the current PSP(the "valuepack one) at 199 (or less... 150) would be crazy good. All around i thing i dis like about the PSP is it price, and it keeps adding but with extras


People tell me about all these cool things the PSP does but to make it good at any of these things, you need to spend tons of cash

[illegalprelude]

So how does this sound? PSP at $150, with the 4GB memory stick, 100 Films, 200MP3's, free wireless access world wide and of course, the GPS and Eyetoy in the box. Oh yea, also when u buy one, you enter in a free drawing for a free PS3 and PS4 :rolleyes:

People complain extra cool stuff costs money. uum, dare I say...no ****? its like me hating my PowerMac. *cry cry* I wanted to chat with it but what, i need to buy a monitor and iSight? and I got it for video editing. Software cost me $1300? and whats this, every year, a New OS with some new features and a new iLife with new themes and I gotta pay? *cry cry* :rolleyes:

or better yet, my phone supports bluetooth but I have to buy the headset, what is this crap!!! all in the box! $40!!!! :rolleyes:

Except that Macs aren't gaming machines, so "few games" isn't as important ;)

No, i meant it from the average view that, few programs on it, its soo expensive, some of my stuff might not work on it but we all own macs and know there is so much more to it then just that. Same goes with the psp. I own one and I know there is so much to this little bugger and I love it. and the more stuff Sony comes out with it, the more people cry. like Sony is forcing them to buy it and they want it all but for $20.

[Dagless]

... Isn't anybody bothered about the fundamental problems with this?

1. buttons. no L2 and R2.
2. multidisc games are not going to fit.
3. the damn screen size! it's not big enough. Games are going to be squashed they will miss out on horizontal lines! this absolutely destroyed the NES Classics on the GBA.

[Gurutech]

I wouldn't mind playing FF7 on my PSP

:D

[jdechko]

And I have a Sony camera with a 1GB memory stick and even that doesn't do anything to make the purchase more tempting.

Is it a Memory Stick/Pro or a Memory Stick Duo. The PSP uses the Duo, whereas most cameras use the Memory Stick (or the Memory Stick Pro). The Duo has an adapter that allows you to use it in a Memory Stick slot, but not the other way around. If that's the case, then don't feel so bad.

[zap2]

So how does this sound? PSP at $150, with the 4GB memory stick, 100 Films, 200MP3's, free wireless access world wide and of course, the GPS and Eyetoy in the box. Oh yea, also when u buy one, you enter in a free drawing for a free PS3 and PS4 :rolleyes:



Or a PSP that works right out of the box, the "value pack" at 199 would be perfect, and a strip down PSP(only the PSP, Battery and Wall charger) at 150

[2nyRiggz]

... Isn't anybody bothered about the fundamental problems with this?

1. buttons. no L2 and R2.
2. multidisc games are not going to fit.
3. the damn screen size! it's not big enough. Games are going to be squashed they will miss out on horizontal lines! this absolutely destroyed the NES Classics on the GBA.

Ever thought that they would make it work and not just put them out there....complaints complaints..be hppy that they are trying to make the handheld better instead most of everyone just RAY RAY..WE ALL KNOW WHY.


Bless

[MacRy]

Geez I wish I hadn't have bothered posting this thread because it always just brings out the Nintendo fanboys.

[zap2]

Geez I wish I hadn't have bothered posting this thread because it always just brings out the Nintendo fanboys.


Because anyone who dislike the Sony PSP is a Nintendo Fanboy, tssk tssk. You are not better then PC users who like all Mac OS X user hate Windows XP.

Example: One of my best friend HATES the PSP and Nintendo, he likes Xbox

[Dagless]

Geez I wish I hadn't have bothered posting this thread because it always just brings out the Nintendo fanboys.

I posted it myself in a rain of glee on the PS3 delayed thread :) It pushed me towards buying a PSP. until the theory hit in. sure they may find ways around it. compression, higher resolution PSPs etc... but right now the buttons and screen are turning me away from an otherwise brilliant reason for owning a PSP.

[GFLPraxis]

Jimmi, one thing to note is that with 3D rendering, they can reduce the resolution it is rendered at without cutting lines and messing the pictuer, but it will be lower resolution than the game was designed at so it may be hard to see if the game depends on viewing distance.

I'm more worried about distortions from the widescreen since the games render at a regular TV aspect ratio.

And of course Sprite based games like MegaMan X4 will get lines cut.

Geez I wish I hadn't have bothered posting this thread because it always just brings out the Nintendo fanboys.

Uh, you realize that you're the first person to mention Nintendo in this thread?

[Dagless]

I think he means that the people who don't normally love Sony for no reason have said counter points to this PS1 emulator plan.

... Weren't some early PS1 games called "fast players" or something, where they ran in lower resolutions when games were less optimised? Just I'm sure I read this in a magazine years back. There were a few "super resolution" games that ran (or could) in super high resolutions greater than 640*480?

Maybe they just plan on launching those old PS1 games? Loaded etc.

[Haoshiro]

PS1 had a max resolution of 640x480 but many games actually ran at 320x240, in face most games did, iirc.

If that is true then there really isn't a problem, since the PSP does 480x272.

If a game does do 640x480 it may or may not scale right. Not all PS1 games are completely 3D (or 3D at all) and scaling could be an issue. However even in these cases a scale to 320x240 should produce good results so long as the PSP can resample the 2D images well.

~ Hao

[illegalprelude]

people are posting just amazing thoughts
PS1 had more buttons then PSP
PS1 Multi Disk Games
Resolution
Button Layout :rolleyes:

Your right, sony never thought of reconfiguring the button scheme, hell its even gonna say PlayStation when it loads and not PSP.

Multi Disk? umm Multi UMD? :confused: :eek: wow? and PS1 was CD based. 700MB, PSP UMD 1.8GB, plus condensing to the resolution = smaller files.

imagine that

[Haoshiro]

people are posting just amazing thoughts
PS1 had more buttons then PSP
PS1 Multi Disk Games
Resolution
Button Layout :rolleyes:

Your right, sony never thought of reconfiguring the button scheme, hell its even gonna say PlayStation when it loads and not PSP.

Multi Disk? umm Multi UMD? :confused: :eek: wow? and PS1 was CD based. 700MB, PSP UMD 1.8GB, plus condensing to the resolution = smaller files.

imagine that

Heh, there are some flaws to this post though...

1) Sony said they would run in an Emulator
2) Sony said they would be offered via Download

thus...

- Game code will not likely be changed (since they are being emulated).
- Button configuration, therefor, could not be changed beyond mapping the PS1 buttons to the PSP controls... but the problem still remains that if a PS1 game uses more buttons then the PSP has, what could be done?
- If they are being downloaded, how will you put them on a UMD? You think Sony will require you buy a UMD recorder? Where can you buy these?
- Because the games are emulated, reducing the resolution would not equate to smaller sizes at all; unless they modified each game they released - which is not something usually done when Emulating a game.

Sony didn't say they were Porting and Re-releasing PS1 games on PSP; they said you would be able to Download PS1 games and play them on a PSP using an Emulator. :)

[ReanimationLP]

It'll be fine.

I havent seen a single PSone game that ran at 640x480. Problem was when they ran it at that resolution it got really choppy and slow, due to only 2 MB of RAM and 2 MB of VRAM. o.O

[illegalprelude]

of course their going to be run off of an emulator, the games were coded for the PSOne, not PSP. designed to detect diff. devices/hardware so the emulator is a duh. their not going to go back and redesign all the games. Ive played plenty of NES games on my PC, what does that mean? they allowed me to change my settings, simply can be done for the PSP. If their allowing downloading, I imagine their going to have to be exported out to a pc, thus all coding would go on the pc, changing the resolution will not be to hard, a simple program can do that.

u got me on the UMD fact :D forgot they were downloads only haha

[GFLPraxis]

of course their going to be run off of an emulator, the games were coded for the PSOne, not PSP. designed to detect diff. devices/hardware so the emulator is a duh. their not going to go back and redesign all the games. Ive played plenty of NES games on my PC, what does that mean? they allowed me to change my settings, simply can be done for the PSP. If their allowing downloading, I imagine their going to have to be exported out to a pc, thus all coding would go on the pc, changing the resolution will not be to hard, a simple program can do that.

u got me on the UMD fact :D forgot they were downloads only haha

The problem is that your PC has a HIGHER resolution than the NES (which I think maxed out at 320x240).

Thus, the NES games are stretched to fill your PC screen, and the aspect ration is the same.

Try the other way around. I run NES games on my GBA. It squishes the lines and looks funky.

Also, try an NES on a widescreen TV. See the black bars on the side? That's gonna be the PSP's problem, I don't know if many PS1 games supported widescreen (if any!) and it's very hard to force that without recoding games...

Your PC emulator simply scales it. It doesn't change the aspect ratio, and you can't make it smaller than the NES screen without screwing up the picture.

[GFLPraxis]

PS1 had a max resolution of 640x480 but many games actually ran at 320x240, in face most games did, iirc.

If that is true then there really isn't a problem, since the PSP does 480x272.

If a game does do 640x480 it may or may not scale right. Not all PS1 games are completely 3D (or 3D at all) and scaling could be an issue. However even in these cases a scale to 320x240 should produce good results so long as the PSP can resample the 2D images well.

~ Hao

Wasn't aware of that, cool. However, you still have the problem of the black bars on the side...

[GFLPraxis]

people are posting just amazing thoughts
PS1 had more buttons then PSP
PS1 Multi Disk Games
Resolution
Button Layout :rolleyes:

Your right, sony never thought of reconfiguring the button scheme, hell its even gonna say PlayStation when it loads and not PSP.

Multi Disk? umm Multi UMD? :confused: :eek: wow? and PS1 was CD based. 700MB, PSP UMD 1.8GB, plus condensing to the resolution = smaller files.

imagine that

You're not paying a lot of attention here, are you? Sony said they are going to be distributed as DOWNLOADS, not UMD's. Can you imagine storing multi-disk games on your MEMORY CARD? You wouldn't be able to fit more than, oh, one or two, if you bought a really big card.

And we're talking about an EMULATOR, not game ports, so they can't just change the button scheme.

[atszyman]

My biggest question would be: Are they going to allow you to rip any PSONE games that you already own to a memory stick and play them without having to download them again? Of course you then run into the problem of saved games, unless the PS3 supports memory sticks for saves... but you are then required to get a PS3 if you want to continue a saved PSONE game on a big screen....

oh well...

[2nyRiggz]

I'm happy with buying those PS1 games and keeping them on my computers HD then tranfer whatever when i'm ready to play it...it's all good!


Bless

[Dagless]

My biggest question would be: Are they going to allow you to rip any PSONE games that you already own to a memory stick and play them without having to download them again? Of course you then run into the problem of saved games, unless the PS3 supports memory sticks for saves... but you are then required to get a PS3 if you want to continue a saved PSONE game on a big screen....

oh well...

If it is a true emulator then yes. You should be able to rip the ISO. However Sony may stick in an anti-piracy thing (likely) that will force you to buy the PS1 games again.

[MacRy]

Uh, you realize that you're the first person to mention Nintendo in this thread?

HAHAHA. Let's just have a look at post #2 shall we.

I've emulated NES on DS and GBA and it squishes the lines...will it be the same on PSP?

Hehehe. Wasn't that you Praxis? ;)

[Dagless]

HAHAHA. Let's just have a look at post #2 shall we.



Hehehe. Wasn't that you Praxis? ;)

... But he wasn't being offensive? He was clearly stating facts about screen issues.

[MacRy]

... But he wasn't being offensive? He was clearly stating facts about screen issues.

Yeah I know that, I just found it funny though.

[MacRumorUser]

If it is a true emulator then yes. You should be able to rip the ISO. However Sony may stick in an anti-piracy thing (likely) that will force you to buy the PS1 games again.

See that's the clever thing. By sony doing this they are going to force you to download a firmware update. One that more than likely is even more hack proof and prevents running of unsigned code...

I think this is to try and stem the amount of piracy and force those with v.2 and below to upgrade. Ain't gonna happen though. Those pirating now are doing it for free PSP ISO's and wouldn't be pursuaded by having to pay for ps1 games...

[GFLPraxis]

HAHAHA. Let's just have a look at post #2 shall we.



Hehehe. Wasn't that you Praxis? ;)

I was using it as an example of emulation on a small screen, not discussing Nintendo products :p And I don't see 'Nintendo' in there, if you want to nitpick ;)

[Haoshiro]

You guys are funny.

But if Sony can make a PS1 emulator work on the PSP, why can't someone else?

That's one thing it tells me... something like ePSXe would be possible on the PSP. ;)

EDIT: Oh, and GFLPraxis, what's this then? "Nintendo Players - the Ultimate Nintendo Resource" -- looks like ALL of your posts have "Nintendo" in them! ;)

[illegalprelude]

You're not paying a lot of attention here, are you? Sony said they are going to be distributed as DOWNLOADS, not UMD's. Can you imagine storing multi-disk games on your MEMORY CARD? You wouldn't be able to fit more than, oh, one or two, if you bought a really big card.

And we're talking about an EMULATOR, not game ports, so they can't just change the button scheme.


lol dude, i know, it was a small mistake, read 2 posts after i said that and I noted my own mistake ;)

Ordering a 2GB Memory Stick Pro Duo today till the 4GB comes out :D

[ReanimationLP]

I'd rather have ePSXe on the PSP anyday.

My feeling is for the L2/R2 buttons they'll use some of the buttons on the front, like the brightness ones. o.o

[illegalprelude]

I'd rather have ePSXe on the PSP anyday.

My feeling is for the L2/R2 buttons they'll use some of the buttons on the front, like the brightness ones. o.o

lol that wont happen cause those already have their own functionality....like...brightness? :eek:

[Dagless]

lol that wont happen cause those already have their own functionality....like...brightness? :eek:

what if there was some kind of underlying system, like xbox 360 guide thing that dealt with brightness and options when playing PS1 games, and those buttons are put to L and R2 use? There were lots of games that used the multiple shoulder buttons. they couldn't just drop them.

[illegalprelude]

what if there was some kind of underlying system, like xbox 360 guide thing that dealt with brightness and options when playing PS1 games, and those buttons are put to L and R2 use? There were lots of games that used the multiple shoulder buttons. they couldn't just drop them.

well there are key problems like A. does the position of it make sense when your holding the unit to play and B. the volume of the unit is key. this wont be your TV to turn down and not everybody will have the controller pack for the headphones. Second, brightness leads to diff. battery lifetimes. their not going to make u use only one settings, its also a key feature.

but a solution could also be, maybe those keys will then come active when you push the Start button?

[MacRy]

EDIT: Oh, and GFLPraxis, what's this then? "Nintendo Players - the Ultimate Nintendo Resource" -- looks like ALL of your posts have "Nintendo" in them! ;)

Curses! You beat me to it. That was going to be my next post :)