60GB iPod Product Line Changes?

[freeny]

http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1602

Just read this.
Apple has placed the top-of-the-line 60GB fifth-generation iPod on its 60-day "at risk" list.

Let the fullscreen countdown begin.....:)

sorry for the missing "t" in the title :o
please fix mod...

[yankeefan24]

the fact that the 30 GB isn't on that list means something…

i think we might only see an 80 GB upgrade. But a full screen would be awesome!:D we only have 60 days to wait and see.

[puckhead193]

how much music/movies do people need... 80 gigs that's the size of my whole hard drive:eek:

edit - rather have a nano update as i'm highly thinking of buying one

[zelmo]

On the 60 day at-risk list for a month now, you say? Hmmm, smells like a 30th anniversary video iPod to me.
*looks in wallet, smiles at debit card contained therein*

[freeny]

I know it could mean anything, including the introduction of the full screen. But I am allowed to dream;)



*Also looks in wallet and smiles at Amex.

Then remembers need to check with wife first before purchase.

Then remembers she is just as excited and has already approved.

Looks and smiles at Amex again.*

[MacRumors]

http://www.macrumors.com/images/macrumorsthreadlogo.gif (http://www.macrumors.com)

Appleinsider notes (http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1602) that resellers where notified approximately one month ago that the 60GB 5G iPod is on Apple's 60 day "at risk" list.

Appleinsider claims that when an item is placed on this list, it could mean that there will be changes to the product in the next 60 days -- this includes replacements or price changes -- so resellers should keep a close eye on inventory of that product.

Apple's 5G iPod (http://guides.macrumors.com/iPod_(5G)) was released on October 12, 2005 (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2005/10/20051012142445.shtml) and represented the first iPod to support Video.

Rumors of a full video iPod (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/02/20060210231632.shtml) have persisted, along with a rush of rumor-inspired concept designs (http://guides.macrumors.com/Gallery_of_Video_iPod_Mockups).

The Video iPod is expected to be launched alongside an iTunes Movie service (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/03/20060302125931.shtml). Evidence of Apple selling movies on iTunes recently emerged (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/03/20060314214419.shtml) with the sale of the first full-length movie on iTunes for $9.99.

[killuminati]

I sure hope they don't update it. I would really prefer it if apple didn't update products more often than once or maybe twice a year.

It's so frustrating when a month after buying something, something else that's better and cheaper comes out. I know this happens with everything and it's a good thing but uch.

[yankeefan24]

this all makes april 1 look better and better as we go along.

but this may only be an upgrade to 80 GB, we don't know. Let's hope for touchscreen.

[~Shard~]

how much music/movies do people need... 80 gigs that's the size of my whole hard drive:eek:

I have over 250 GB of MP3s and 400 GB of movies. That being said, yes, I don't need all of them on my iPod at the same time... :p ;) :cool:

[yg17]

Dammit, my new iPod is already going to be obsolete

[plinkoman]

whatever comes out, i hope it has an 80GB HD in it. :cool:

[freeny]

Thank you arn for fulfilling my request. You have gone above and beyond your duties. Best mod ever! cudos!

:) :) :)

[~Shard~]

Dammit, my new iPod is already going to be obsolete

Yeah, damn technology... :p ;)

I wouldn't get too excited over this just yet. Obviously something is coming, however if only the 60 GB model has been identified, then to me that points to a capacity upgrade, not a complete redesign (i.e. touch screen) - otherwsie, Apple would have included the 30 GB model in this as well.

Regardless, always nice to see an iPod update! Just as long as a capacity increase isn't the only thing Apple will be announcing on April 1st! ;) :D

Edit: Nice edit job killuminati, your new first post is much less useless than your initial attempt. :p :cool:

[w_parietti22]

urggg... this might mean no MacBook on April 1st! damn.

[Loge]

Hopefully we'll see an 80GB iPod at the current size, you can never have too much disk space. Nothing wrong with a larger video iPod too of course.

[VanMac]

Looking forward to that full screen video pod :cool:

[Gm7Cadd9]

Apple has gone to great lengths to name the 5th generation iPod the iPod with video, and not "ipod video" (much like Dwight Schrute is Assistant to the regional manager, and not the Assistant Regional Manager.) The fact that the 60gig model is "at risk" to me says it could very well become the new VIDEO ipod.

My reasoning is this: I don't see why they would just bump up the storage to 80gigs, then we would have 2 models, 30 and 80? If they made an 80gig 5th gen it would be in addition to the 30 and 60, or the 80 would be a different model all together.

However I doubt an 80gig model would be on it's own, otherwise we wouldn't have seen the "at risk" warning for the 60gig model. I think the 30gig model stays the same, a quality and well priced ipod... and the new ipod will be the much rumored video ipod... 'tis all speculation, but makes sense to me.

-Roy

*edit: oh yeah, I forgot, Dwight Schrute was actually promoted to Assistant Regional manager a few episodes back.

[danielwsmithee]

Sounds like they are making room in their price points, my bet.

iPod 30GB only $299
"iPod Video" 30GB $399
"iPod Video" 60GB $499

[p0intblank]

I bet you Apple plans to keep the 30 GB iPod as it is now and replace the 60 GB model with two true iPod video models at 80 GB and 100 GB. If a movie service really does launch, users are going to need A LOT more space to store these full-length movies. I do think this will be a separate product, though, which is why I think the 30 GB model will remain by itself.

[Mac Fly (film)]

It is worth noting that the 30Gb 5Gen. iPod is NOT on the "at risk" list!
Only the 60Gb 5Gen.
So the 30Gb wont change for a while! It's still cool.


This to me tells me three things:

1. Apple thinks and I would agree if this is the case, that people who bought the 60Gb bought it for video! So now this new product will take up that role. Hence the New Video iPod

2.It also tells me that the True video iPod will be priced around that of the 60Gb iPod. Sounds right to me! (around that price)

3.If you want music with video as a bonus, you buy the 30Gb iPod!
Howerver if you want Video with music as a bonus, you wait a few weeks!

p.s. you have been warned:)

[amac4me]

A true Video iPod will be released soon, I say April 1, 2006.

Note that the current 5G iPod is video "capable" and has been used by Apple as a proof-of-concept to test the market demand.

I'm ready to buy when it's released :)

[mark88]

whatever comes out, i hope it has an 80GB HD in it. :cool:

Me too, then I can finally fit my music collection on it in Lossless

[berkleeboy210]

It is worth noting that the 30Gb 5Gen. iPod is NOT on the "at risk" list!
Only the 60Gb 5Gen.
So the 30Gb wont change for a while! It's still cool.


This to me tell me three things:

1. Apple thinks and I would agree if this is the case, that people who bought the 60Gb bought it for video! So now this new product will take up that role. Hence the New Video iPod

2.It also tells me that the True video iPod will be priced around that of the 60Gb iPod. Sound right to me! (around that price)

3.If you want music with video as a bonus, you buy the 30Gb iPod!
Howerver if you want Video with music as a bonus, you wait a few weeks!

p.s. you have been warned:)

I like your thoughts, I think they will come true. All we need now is a Confirm from Apple that they are indeed having a media event in the next 3 weeks

[michaelb]

I sure hope they don't update it. I would really prefer it if apple didn't update products more often than once or maybe twice a year.

It's so frustrating when a month after buying something, something else that's better and cheaper comes out. I know this happens with everything and it's a good thing but uch.

That's why if you buy something as soon as it comes out, you'll have the longest time of being the coolest kid on the block!

If you're a more practical person than trendsetter, however, if you buy something for a specific purpose, it will still do it even if newer, better products replace it.

I know peoples with minis who are perfectly happy playing their music with them and have no intention of buying a new one just yet, even if the new model had holographic 10' screens with 5.1 surround sound.

(I would though! iPod AV "Help me Obi Wan Kenobi, you're my only hope" edition, here we come.)

[pelcinary]

A few things.

1. Updates don't make your iPod obsolete, no matter how frequent. Does next years car model make last years obsolete? I don't throw my car in the trash just because every year they come out with a new one. My car is just fine, and so are all 4G/5G ipods.

2. Who knows what will actually happen. Having said that, I totally agree with Gm7Cadd9. Makes perfect sense to me. The idea of replacing the 60GB with a higher-end, more expensive ipod and leaving the 30GB as is sounds great to me. 30GB is more than enough for the average consumer.

3. urggg... this might mean no MacBook on April 1st! damn.

Why?? I don't understand.

4. Don't forget about wireless.

[Mac Fly (film)]

I like your thoughts, I think they will come true. All we need now is a Confirm from Apple that they are indeed having a media event in the next 3 weeks
Yea Apple may send a note to the media in the next two weeks!:)

p.s. I like Boston, I was there in 2002. Happy Paddy's day!

[celebrian23]

All signs surely point to an ipod video, though personallly I'm uninterested in it. I prefer video capabilities but primarily a music machine to the vice versa. April 1st will be a very interesting day it seems.

[michaelb]

Me too, then I can finally fit my music collection on it in Lossless

Puts on audiophile hat:

"Only lossless? Lossless sounds crap. If it's not 24-bit/96KHz sound recorded using a $13 million tube microphone and played through oxygen-free copper solid gold membrane headphones, it's not worth listening to."

[iSee]

urggg... this might mean no MacBook on April 1st! damn.

They've got to get it out by June or so, though, for the next school year buying season...

[Er, oops, sending thread astray. Quick say something about new viPod, quick, quick...]

Um... I'll bet the large-screen viPods come in three "colors:" white, black, and red. Maybe blue and green, too.

[good one, oh yes]

[zap2]

SO it looks like Apple is changing something

One possible idea- 60Gb 5G becomes a 80Gb 5G at same price
One Possile idea - 60Gb 5G becomes iPod A/V 60Gbs and same price point(in which case i might sell my 60Gb)
One more Possible idea-60Gb 5G becomes iPod A/V 80Gbs and same price!

I think apple wants to keep the iPod line below 499(so 399 seems good):)

[jruc4871]

Apple has gone to great lengths to name the 5th generation iPod the iPod with video, and not "ipod video" (much like Dwight Schrute is Assistant to the regional manager, and not the Assistant Regional Manager.)

As team leader, i should know about iPod updates before the rest of the staff. ;)

[Proud Liberal]

I bet you Apple plans to keep the 30 GB iPod as it is now and replace the 60 GB model with two true iPod video models at 80 GB and 100 GB. If a movie service really does launch, users are going to need A LOT more space to store these full-length movies. I do think this will be a separate product, though, which is why I think the 30 GB model will remain by itself.

Considering that a 1.8" 100GB HDD doesn't even exist yet, I highly doubt it. :p

I think that Apple is going to introduce the 80GB capacity for the 5G iPod and test the waters with the new movie download service before they introduce the "true video iPod" or whatever it's going to be called.

[phil989]

Yeah, damn technology... :p ;)

I wouldn't get too excited over this just yet. Obviously something is coming, however if only the 60 GB model has been identified, then to me that points to a capacity upgrade, not a complete redesign (i.e. touch screen) - otherwsie, Apple would have included the 30 GB model in this as well.

I'm not so sure, if, as most people seem to think, the fullscreen ipod video is introduced, then it will be a different product line. its likely apple figured that mpst people dont have 60gb of just music -- the people who want 60gb want it for video.

in other words, apple would not sell very many ipod 'with video' 60gb if there are fullscreen 60gb vPods.

[MattyMac]

I sure hope they don't update it. I would really prefer it if apple didn't update products more often than once or maybe twice a year.

It's so frustrating when a month after buying something, something else that's better and cheaper comes out. I know this happens with everything and it's a good thing but uch.
Yeah I definitely know what you mean... I bought a new powerbook a couple of months before the macbook pro came out. But I still love it. Im actually happy about the potential release of a full screen video ipod and the movie service. I have a 4g but im itching to buy this potential 6g...eventhough I dont really "need" it. I wouldnt worry about an update, its bound to happen. But it does give you a bad feeling once your precious item is no longer the top of line.

[chabig]

I sure hope they don't update it. I would really prefer it if apple didn't update products more often than once or maybe twice a year.
That iPod was introduced last October. If they update it in April, that WILL be a twice a year cycle.

[zap2]

the fact that the 30 GB isn't on that list means something…

i think we might only see an 80 GB upgrade. But a full screen would be awesome!:D we only have 60 days to wait and see.


i'd say less, Apple birthday is less then 3 weeks away!

[narco]

I still just want an 80GB iPod to fit my 73GB of music. By the time it comes out, I'll probably need a 100GB iPod. I need my entire music library with me at all times, otherwise any iPod is WORTHLESS to me! I cannot be bothered by picking and choosing which songs I want to be on the iPod, because whatever I don't pick is what I want to hear!

Fishes,
narco.

[kuhvorreiber]

If the 60GB 5G is bumped to 80GB, the 30GB 5G will be bumped to 40GB. The largest iPod is double the one below it. Therefore, I think it is safe to assume, if anything, we will get a new iPod to replace the 60GB 5G. It will likely be 60GB as well.

[nattyz]

http://www.macrumors.com/images/macrumorsthreadlogo.gif (http://www.macrumors.com)

Appleinsider notes (http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1602) that resellers where notified approximately one month ago that the 60GB 5G iPod is on Apple's 60 day "at risk" list.

Appleinsider claims that when an item is placed on this list, it could mean that there will be changes to the product in the next 60 days -- this includes replacements or price changes -- so resellers should keep a close eye on inventory of that product.

Apple's 5G iPod (http://guides.macrumors.com/iPod_(5G)) was released on October 12, 2005 (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2005/10/20051012142445.shtml) and represented the first iPod to support Video.

Rumors of a full video iPod (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/02/20060210231632.shtml) have persisted, along with a rush of rumor-inspired concept designs (http://guides.macrumors.com/Gallery_of_Video_iPod_Mockups).

The Video iPod is expected to be launched alongside an iTunes Movie service (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/03/20060302125931.shtml). Evidence of Apple selling movies on iTunes recently emerged (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/03/20060314214419.shtml) with the sale of the first full-length movie on iTunes for $9.99.

you mean were

[EricNau]

So I guess the 30 GB will stay the same, priced at $299 (as it is now), but the new "Video iPod" will hold 60 or 80 GB and have a full touch screen for $399.

...That seems to make the most sense to me.

[briangig]

i bet they keep the 30gb, as a classic ipod, then come out with the full screen video ipod.

[millypede]

I have to say stock has been a little tight recently across the entire range, I have not seen a 1g Shuffle since Christmas

[TheSpaz]

*edit: oh yeah, I forgot, Dwight Schrute was actually promoted to Assistant Regional manager a few episodes back.

Awesome! A plug for "The Office"! Hey, have you seen the British series? Really really funny stuff... the British guys know how to make a show.

[boncellis]

The timing of this is interesting to me. At first glance it looks like this is a result of Apple getting ready to introduce something at the beginning of next month, but the 60 days seems like a long time. Is that just to clear out the remaining 60 GB 5Gs?

If the rumored video iPod takes on the same price point as the 60 GB 5G, would anyone still buy the 5G in lieu of the new one, or would Apple just wait to ship it? I guess they could reduce the price to clear it out--that might make for a screaming deal.

[EricNau]

... If the rumored video iPod takes on the same price point as the 60 GB 5G, would anyone still buy the 5G in lieu of the new one, or would Apple just wait to ship it? I guess they could reduce the price to clear it out--that might make for a screaming deal.
After the 5G iPod came out, and was already shipping, my local Apple Store was selling 4G for weeks afterwards.

[MitchellB]

Let me be the first to say it - Powerbook G5 coming in April!!!

[Philberttheduck]

Keep in mind that when the ipod photos came out, they dropped the 4G 40 gig, leaving just the 20gig. People still bought the 4G 20gig like crazy though, maybe just to "fit in with everyone else," as ipods are the zeitgeist of our era.

my predicitions:
5G 30gig stays at reduced price (249)
6G (touchscreen) 40GB and 80GB (just a trend if you haven't already noticed that.. 15-30, 20-40, 30-60) start off at 299, 399 respectively.

I wouldn't be surprised if the prices were jacked up by 50 bux (349/449) because i bought my photo, when 4G (B/W) were popular and listed the 60GB at 399, at the price of 450 (educational discount=430). Would like to see a 40GB/100GB though. :-)

[Courtnie]

Am I the only one here who hopes it is not a touch screen iPod? To me that just seems stupid – you would ALWAYS be cleaning finger prints off it!

I sure hope that even after this 'new' iPod is released they keep selling the 'older 60g'. I want one of the 60g iPod Videos but I figured I would wait the two weeks to see what the 'new' ones are and if they are touch screen then I want to be able to buy an old one!

[mongoos150]

I sure hope they don't update it. I would really prefer it if apple didn't update products more often than once or maybe twice a year.

It's so frustrating when a month after buying something, something else that's better and cheaper comes out. I know this happens with everything and it's a good thing but uch.

Just sell your iPod if you want the newest thing...that's what I do, I just sold my 5G iPod for $277 - that's a darn good return on a used, scratched 5G iPod. Otherwise, your iPod still does what you bought it to do, Apple's release dates for new products is their business.

[iMeowbot]

The Toshiba MK8007GAH (80 GB iPod-size drive) was supposed to ship in Q305 but only really ramped up to volume production this quarter. The 60 day notice could indicate a simple capacity boost; the high-end iPod models aren't the fastest sellers, so it may take a while to deplete supplies.

[boncellis]

Am I the only one here who hopes it is not a touch screen iPod? To me that just seems stupid – you would ALWAYS be cleaning finger prints off it!

I sure hope that even after this 'new' iPod is released they keep selling the 'older 60g'. I want one of the 60g iPod Videos but I figured I would wait the two weeks to see what the 'new' ones are and if they are touch screen then I want to be able to buy an old one!

I seem to remember someone bringing this up previously, and I echo the sentiment: should the rumored touch screen video iPod emerge next month, I think it will augment the iPod line rather than completely replace the 5G. Even if the 60 GB isn't available any longer, there remains the possibility that the 30 GB (or higher) sticks around as a discrete product.

Another possibility is that the 60 GB will see a higher capacity, and it not going to be "end of lifed" in the sense that it'll just get a new HDD (although I think that's unlikely).

[Courtnie]

I could buy an iPod now - keep it in the box for two weeks and return it if something better comes out! But I don't think I have enough self control to leave an iPod in a box!

[neoelectronaut]

Well, I was planning on selling my "Still-Shrinkwrapped-Never-Opened" 2GB iPod Nano along with my 30GB 3G iPod to get a 60GB iPod 5G, but I guess I'll be waiting a little longer.

[Tims96]

Dammit, my new iPod is already going to be obsolete


I know what you're saying. It's unfortunate that the current 5G 60gig models won't be the top of the line iPod, but I wouldn't call them obsolete. They're still great products. Unless you're one of the many people who must always have the best of the best, an iPod upgrade really doesn't have too much of an affect.

[bigandy]

cue drum roll.... :rolleyes:

[zap2]

I have to say stock has been a little tight recently across the entire range, I have not seen a 1g Shuffle since Christmas

i have, infact i bouught on in Jan(but that was online) however the wait was not long

[revjay]

Let me be the first to say it - Powerbook G5 coming in April!!!
Anyone else tired of this over-used 'joke'? (I use the term 'joke' loosely, because it's not funny...never really was funny...and never will be funny).

I am, however, getting rather excited about the buzz of rumour activity (right on schedule)...I would like to see the current 60gig ipod with video replaced by the much rumoured and mocked up video ipod...60gig ...same price?

I doubt it...not sure about the extra cost of 3x the screen with touch technology...plus the extra software vs the savings of a bit of plastic and click wheel hardware...

My guess is it will be about $50 more than the current 60gig ipod.

Oh yeah...the only G5 powerbook you are going to see is your power PC G5 imac with batteries and a power inverter mounted to the base...make your own!

[pcmeissner]

"at risk" list.
I'm relatively new to the rumor sites, but I have never heard of an "at risk" list. With all of these recent upgrades to minis, powerbooks, and imacs wouldn't I have had heard of this term? Has anyone on the forum ever heard of this "at risk" list? And most importantly, is the iBook on this list. ;) :D

[zap2]

I have a 4g but im itching to buy this potential 6g...eventhough I dont really "need" it.


Tell me about it. I get a new iPod WAY TO much. Perhaps i should just use my 1G, nope i got to have my "Full iPod"(read 60Gb iPod), "My small but still has a screen"(read Nano), quick on the go iPod(read Shuffle) and my ''old its ok if it gets a little hurt iPod(read 1G iPod, however i care about it as much as the other ones)

Wow i really need to scale down!

[revjay]

I could buy an iPod now - keep it in the box for two weeks and return it if something better comes out! But I don't think I have enough self control to leave an iPod in a box!
Oh, come on! This is a great opportunity to practice self control (you don't learn it unless you put it into practice)...and help Apple empty existing stock...think of it as though you are doing them a favour.

[janstett]

A few things.

1. Updates don't make your iPod obsolete, no matter how frequent. Does next years car model make last years obsolete? I don't throw my car in the trash just because every year they come out with a new one. My car is just fine, and so are all 4G/5G ipods.

Not entirely true. While most 3rd party vendors have been good about compatibility, the old iPods with the Firewire port are pretty much obsolete. Even more recently, the interface that used to be built into the top with the headphones on the 3G iPod is now obsolete as that interface has disappeared, and as well the new FM tuner/remote only works on 5G iPods.

[zac4mac]

"Tell me about it. I get a new iPod WAY TO much"

I feel your pain.
I've got a 1G 5gb, a 512 shuffle, a 4GB nano, a 60GB Photo and a 60GB video.. gave my 4GB mini to my GF who is now my wife.
With Videos and purchased AACs, my collection is at 101GB, so no single iPod will replace the 2 60s. I'll wait.

Z

[Austin.xstone]

"Tell me about it. I get a new iPod WAY TO much"

I feel your pain.
I've got a 1G 5gb, a 512 shuffle, a 4GB nano, a 60GB Photo and a 60GB video.. gave my 4GB mini to my GF who is now my wife.
With Videos and purchased AACs, my collection is at 101GB, so no single iPod will replace the 2 60s. I'll wait.

Z

Do you think she is your wife because you gave her the iPod? - no wait she must love you...

Anyway IF a new ipod comes out ill have to sell my one and get one!
Thats after the MacBook though... :eek:

[coreybox]

Not entirely true. While most 3rd party vendors have been good about compatibility, the old iPods with the Firewire port are pretty much obsolete. Even more recently, the interface that used to be built into the top with the headphones on the 3G iPod is now obsolete as that interface has disappeared, and as well the new FM tuner/remote only works on 5G iPods.

They are not 'obsolete' though. They still do the exact same thing they were bought to do. You might not be able to do all the newest/coolest stuff..... but they still work like they are suppose to. When a new ipod comes out it doesn't suddenly make the previous generations useless.

peace
corey

[DPazdanISU]

Let me be the first to say it - Powerbook G5 coming in April!!!

this is becoming a tradition! We'll be saying this even in 10 yrs when Apple is coming out with quad quad 64bit AMD Mac Book Pros and people will still stare at us like we are star trek fans....:cool:

About the ipod update, I hope Apple only ups the capacity and maybe some software features to keep the ipods selling and then in november come out with the real video ipod. You want to come out with the next big ipod b4 christmas otherwise it will be old at that point. So yes, you guys can call me crazy b/c I want Apple to hold off on the video ipods! Maybe I am looking at this in a different light b/c I own alot of Apple stock. As for the Macbook, its a must. I'm sure there is some other unknown products coming out considering its the 30th anniversary, lets hope for a special edition mac and ipod!

[oober_freak]

Let me be the first to say it - Powerbook G5 coming in April!!!

You forgot to mention iHome :)

Aww :rolleyes:

[Stella]

I wish these people who whine about "But I bought my iPod two months ago, I don't want it obsolete", would just quit. They don't understand technology, obviously. What do they want Apple to do - sit still and stop improving the iPod for their ego?!!!!

I bought my G5 iPod in November. I hope apple come out with a new iPod,
Apple must stay ahead of the game. I'm looking forward to Apple's next iPod - I probably won't buy it... my existing iPod will work just as well, as does my 2G iPod.

[grimmcwh]

You know, a full screen iPod has the advantage of supporting a higher and widescreen format resolution which would coincide perfectly with an iTunes Movies launch. There's no way I'd pay $9.95 for a movie download to watch it at the current super pixelated resolution (very noticeable on a 65" HDTV).

Of course, I'd rather a streamable subscription service than buying the actual movie, but alas.. that's another topic earlier addressed.

[mongoos150]

As long as Apple revises the surface material so it doesn't scratch like a b!tch, all will be well.

[asxtb]

They are not 'obsolete' though. They still do the exact same thing they were bought to do. You might not be able to do all the newest/coolest stuff..... but they still work like they are suppose to. When a new ipod comes out it doesn't suddenly make the previous generations useless.

peace
corey
Well, by that definition, is there anything that does become obsolete. My family has a old Gateway 2000 computer, a whopping 75mhz! It still does what it was bought to do, so that must mean it is not obsolete. We also have Compaq that doesn't even turn on. That I call broken, not obsolete.

Edit: The definition of obsolete via Dashboard reads: 'no longer produced or used.' Does Apple still produce 4G iPods?

[gregarious119]

I wish these people who whine about "But I bought my iPod two months ago, I don't want it obsolete", would just quit. They don't understand technology, obviously. What do they want Apple to do - sit still and stop improving the iPod for their ego?!!!!


You're totally right. And when you think about it...come April 1, the 5G iPod will be 6 months old. 6 Months on one product line may seem even long to some people. If Apple can get away with updating the iPod product line every 6 months, they'll be in good shape.

April 1 update - just as we expect. Next 6 months: November...prime time for holiday sales.

Makes sense to me.

[Stella]

A tradition that should die!!!

The "G5 powerbook next tuesday" 'jokes' are getting very stale.

Enough!!! :-)

Anyway, why would anyone want a G5 PowerBook when the Intel Duo would p?ss all over such a G5!!!


this is becoming a tradition! We'll be saying this even in 10 yrs when Apple is coming out with quad quad 64bit AMD Mac Book Pros and people will still stare at us like we are star trek fans....:cool:

About the ipod update, I hope Apple only ups the capacity and maybe some software features to keep the ipods selling and then in november come out with the real video ipod. You want to come out with the next big ipod b4 christmas otherwise it will be old at that point. So yes, you guys can call me crazy b/c I want Apple to hold off on the video ipods! Maybe I am looking at this in a different light b/c I own alot of Apple stock. As for the Macbook, its a must. I'm sure there is some other unknown products coming out considering its the 30th anniversary, lets hope for a special edition mac and ipod!

[Philberttheduck]

for all of us who are whining bout how effin' fast technology rolls.. (you knew it was coming)

http://section3.net/stevejobs_SNL/

and in HD ;)

"5seconds too long.."

[celebi23]

If they do introduce a "TRUE" iPod Video, I hope they include FireWire support this time. 80GB of movies transfering over USB 2.0? :eek:

[ncook06]

I'm just hoping for 80 of 100 GB so I can use it as an external HD with my MBP

[adamfilip]

Dammit, my new iPod is already going to be obsolete


i realize there is paranoia about having something that isnt bleeding edge new
but just because something newer comes out. doesnt mean the one you bought is any less capable then the moment you got it.

[ncook06]

As long as Apple revises the surface material so it doesn't scratch like a b!tch, all will be well.

They probably know how, but they won't because it keeps people buying their cases.

[adamfilip]

for all of us who are whining bout how effin' fast technology rolls.. (you knew it was coming)

http://section3.net/stevejobs_SNL/

and in HD ;)

"5seconds too long.."

great video. havent seen that one

its very true.
thankfully things dont change that fast (yet)

[zap2]

he old iPods with the Firewire port are pretty much obsolete.


HELL NO!

The 1G and 2G iPods still work great for many users. They still work with speaker such as iPod Hi-Fi and the iHome. They very cool, and i love my 1G iPod*that said i have my 5G iPod aswell*:p

[maya]

what if the scroll-wheel is built behind the touch-screen, rather than a GUI implementation of a touch-wheel that would drain more battery life than a subdued behind the LCD screen touch-wheel. You can turn the light for the controls ON/OFF on touch of pressure.

Would explain the new iPod leather cases. ;) :)

[sushi]

I have over 250 GB of MP3s and 400 GB of movies. That being said, yes, I don't need all of them on my iPod at the same time... :p ;) :cool:
Such a lightweight! :p :D

Looking forward to a fullscreen version. I hope that it isn't just an 80GB update.

[Philberttheduck]

Hmm.. why firewire? firewire max rate of just 400mb/s as opposed to usb2.0's 480. something i'm missing?

[mark!]

Well, by that definition, is there anything that does become obsolete. My family has a old Gateway 2000 computer, a whopping 75mhz! It still does what it was bought to do, so that must mean it is not obsolete. We also have Compaq that doesn't even turn on. That I call broken, not obsolete.

Edit: The definition of obsolete via Dashboard reads: 'no longer produced or used.' Does Apple still produce 4G iPods?

I think a better definition specifically for technology is 'no longer supported'.

[MacQuest]

I sure hope they don't update it. I would really prefer it if apple didn't update products more often than once or maybe twice a year.

The high-end iPod with video playback capability was introduced 6 months ago, in October. We probably won't see another revision to the high-end iPod after the upcoming one [touchscreen or not] until October or near the holidays.

There are your 2 revisions in 1 year. No more, no less.

EDIT:
Ooops! This has already been pointed out:
That iPod was introduced last October. If they update it in April, that WILL be a twice a year cycle.

[asxtb]

I think a better definition specifically for technology is 'no longer supported'.
Ok. But as another poster commented, in terms of accessories such as cases and the remote 4Gs and older are no longer supported. I cannot find any cases for a 4G or any remotes. Maybe the online store has them, but the brick and mortar stores around me only carry 5G and nano accessories. But in regards to items like the universal dock and hi-fi they do support the older generations.

Honestly, I really don't care if older iPods are considered obsolete or not. I have my b/w 4G and it is still working great.

[MacQuest]

how much music/movies do people need... 80 gigs that's the size of my whole hard drive:eek:

Think about 500MB [iPod res], 1GB [720p DVD], or maybe even 2GB [1080p HD] movie files.

The iPod is not just 4MB music files and may not be about low res movie files much longer.

[JRM PowerPod]

Hmm.. why firewire? firewire max rate of just 400mb/s as opposed to usb2.0's 480. something i'm missing?

Firewire sustains speeds alot better.. I notice the difference using the firewire on my Photo iPod compared to the slower USB. Firewire in my opinion and in the opinion most members here is by far the superior technology

[sushi]

Hmm.. why firewire? firewire max rate of just 400mb/s as opposed to usb2.0's 480. something i'm missing?
Yes.

Sustained transfer speeds are much different. Firewire is much faster over time.

This is a hardware issue and how USB is supported/implemented.

[lorien]

Note that the current 5G iPod is video "capable" and has been used by Apple as a proof-of-concept to test the market demand.


Exactly! Now that Jobs has felt the water with his toes it looks like it may be time for the full monty.:o Apple is recalling some guinea pigs before it releases a real oinker. This is the first real sign of an iPod Video people.:)

[gman71882]

Anyone wish that Apple would license the "click-wheel" from the iPod to other companies...or use it on other devices they make.
That way you could have a phone, camera, video player all with the same technology. Be a good way to dig your technology into everything people touch!
An Iphone with clickwheel that has 4-6 GB of Flash memory would be KICK@$$

[iPie]

If you have no expectations you can't be dissapointed.

Having said that, knowing the frenzy each of their announcements causes, I don't think that Apple would have put the 60GB 5G iPod at risk if SOME change was not forthcoming.

Maybe it will be some minor cosmetic change accompanied by a hefty price increase... ...I wonder somtimes why Apple bothers to advertize at all?

http://www.chickenjoke.com/

[bigandy]

Considering that a 1.8" 100GB HDD doesn't even exist yet, I highly doubt it. :p

since when would something like that stop a company like apple? :rolleyes:

[Zoowatch]

Am I the only one here who hopes it is not a touch screen iPod? To me that just seems stupid – you would ALWAYS be cleaning finger prints off it!

i certainly agree with that... there would be a lot of fingerprints and scratch at the part of the screen where the virtual click wheel is.

also, i bought many video from iTMS and they are of tiny sizes... i wonder if they come up with a larger screen iPod, wouldn't these videos from iTMS look pixelated?

[mongoos150]

Anyone wish that Apple would license the "click-wheel" from the iPod to other companies...or use it on other devices they make.
That way you could have a phone, camera, video player all with the same technology. Be a good way to dig your technology into everything people touch!
An Iphone with clickwheel that has 4-6 GB of Flash memory would be KICK@$$

No...I just know another manufacturer would ******* it up. Besides - it's cool Apple tech. Some things are nice to have proprietary.

[mongoos150]

In terms of the scratching - my Motorola E815 has been in my pocket with keys, my backpack with scissors, basically with EVERYTHING and the screen does not have A SINGLE SCRATCH on it. The material is amazing, it's a shame Apple can't use something like the plastic on my moto. I know they want to fuel the case industry, but if Apple comes out with something similar to what we've seen mockups of (virtual touchpad) a scratchproof surface will become more than a desire, it will become dire necessity.

[lorien]

The high-end iPod with video playback capability was introduced 6 months ago, in October. We probably won't see another revision to the high-end iPod after the upcoming one [touchscreen or not] until October or near the holidays.

There are your 2 revisions in 1 year. No more, no less.



You can't count an anniversary event with decadal increment in the iPod cycle statistic.

[BRLawyer]

A tradition that should die!!!

The "G5 powerbook next tuesday" 'jokes' are getting very stale.

Enough!!! :-)

Anyway, why would anyone want a G5 PowerBook when the Intel Duo would p?ss all over such a G5!!!

Come on Stella, this is a grand tradition already..! :D

I still believe in PowerBooks G5 on April 1st, too!!! Bring'em on!!!!!!!

[ryannel2003]

I'm glad Apple is updating the iPods to higher capacity. Apple updates the iPods, what, every 6 or 7 months? This is really good for the people buying the higher end models and the addition of a "true" iPod Video would be excellent cause watching videos on the current iPods isn't exactly peachy. However, I'm glad they aren't updating the 30GB iPods. Mine is still getting broken in.....:D

[tny]

You know, a full screen iPod has the advantage of supporting a higher and widescreen format resolution which would coincide perfectly with an iTunes Movies launch. There's no way I'd pay $9.95 for a movie download to watch it at the current super pixelated resolution (very noticeable on a 65" HDTV).

Of course, I'd rather a streamable subscription service than buying the actual movie, but alas.. that's another topic earlier addressed.

Why the heck would you want to watch an iTunes movie on a 65" HDTV screen in the first place? A DVD will look bad at that resolution and that magnification.

[Proud Liberal]

the high-end iPod models aren't the fastest sellers, so it may take a while to deplete supplies.

that's why I think they are going to bump up the 5G to 80GB and simultaneously officially introduce full length movie downloads in iTunes to "test the waters" - if people buy the larger capacity models in conjunction with a successful movie download program, then it stands to reason that the next step (6G?) would be the "true video iPod" with probably 40GB/80GB capacity options. But I really think that a "true video iPod" won't carry the iPod in the name if it's more of a dedicated video player. The iPod was always supposed to be music first.

[ipodrocker]

this is really odd and interesting news. Firstly my 3rd gen recently broke and i have been saving for the 5 gen 60 gb ipod as i have lots of music and like the idea of putting video on it and pictures.

i have almost saved for the new iPod so will it be wise to wait til after april 1 as that is only 2 weeks away!!!!

suggestions????

[revjay]

this is really odd and interesting news. Firstly my 3rd gen recently broke and i have been saving for the 5 gen 60 gb ipod as i have lots of music and like the idea of putting video on it and pictures.

i have almost saved for the new iPod so will it be wise to wait til after april 1 as that is only 2 weeks away!!!!

suggestions????

Sure...I'll offer this suggestion...why limit yourself to just 15,000 songs ...take your money, buy a guitar, take lessons...play your own music wherever you go. You have more potential for # of songs than the ipod invisa.

What??? ...you asked for suggestions.

[celebrian23]

I'd wait till April 1st, but don't delay much longer after- you don't want to be always waiting for the one that's better.

[janstett]

They probably know how, but they won't because it keeps people buying their cases.

I have had my black 5G iPod in the case exclusively for all but the very first week, when it did get some minor scratches in the chrome on the back.

Don't ask me how, but somehow I got a blemish on the screen that will not buff out. I have NEVER taken it out of the case since the first week. How the heck did it get scratched? I am convinced Apple has a team of Delta Force Scratch Gnomes that visits every iPod in the night.

[janstett]

Yes.

Sustained transfer speeds are much different. Firewire is much faster over time.

This is a hardware issue and how USB is supported/implemented.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, FireWire is "smarter" like SCSI as far as drive control being isolated to the device, whereas USB is dependent on the host CPU for processing. Ever tried to copy large amounts of data between two USB drives? It slows to a crawl and eats CPU.

[MrCrowbar]

True, true. USB sucks for large transfers. I once had to copy some GB from one USB drive to another, and my (sorry) XP mashine would not even update the cursor position when I move the mouse. I had to wait 2 hours for the computer to respond again... all that to acknoledge that windows was not able to copy all files. Why is there an OK button on error reports anyway? It's not that i think it's ok when clicking that button on "(insert OS name here) caused a fatal error" button. Would't "close" be a smarter label?

My guess is that the 30GB iPod 5G will stay for a while (maybe going to 40GB) and a new video iPod will be shown around April 1.

I for one just got a 512 shuffle on eBay cuz my USB dongle broke today. First iPod i own and no screen to be scratched. :D
"So long, suckers" (C.M. Burns). Have fun with your touchscreens :p

[bathysphere]

Think about 500MB [iPod res], 1GB [720p DVD], or maybe even 2GB [1080p HD] movie files.

The iPod is not just 4MB music files and may not be about low res movie files much longer.


i think your estimates for the sizes of those movie files is a bit off...
a standard definition, 640x480p video image has 4 times as many pixels as does the ipod res videos. and just looking at the file sizes of the 1080p movie trailers on the quicktime site, the superman trailer is 118MB for about a minute and a half, if you do the math for a 2 hour movie you're looking at a 9GB movie file.

despite the daunting increase in file sizes, apple needs to offer higher res video before i will even consider buying anything from them.

[schofield]

iPods are popping up at Costco in SF Bay Area, along with discontinued iMacs and Mac Minis...
Included was the 60GB video iPod. Have not seen that before. Maybe a sign of dumping excess stock.

[~Shard~]

iPods are popping up at Costco in SF Bay Area, along with discontinued iMacs and Mac Minis...
Included was the 60GB video iPod. Have not seen that before. Maybe a sign of dumping excess stock.

Could very well be - Costco often sells excess stock form companies, in one form or another. Take may of their TVS, for instance - many of those suppliers (Akai, etc.) use panels which were rejected from the quality manufacturers like Sony, Panasonic and Toshiba, hence why they are cheaper sets. In this case, since Apple is indeed planning on doing something with the 60 GB model, this would make sense as well, i terms of getting rid of excess stock.

[adamcz]

Hmm.. why firewire? firewire max rate of just 400mb/s as opposed to usb2.0's 480. something i'm missing?I for one don't have USB 2.0 on my mirror door Powermac G4. If they don't offer firewire, I probably won't buy a new ipod, because it would mean waiting for an hour or so transfering a gig of music over. No thanks.

[drlunanerd]

Exshellent newsh. I just sold my 5G 60GB in preparation.

Prepare to witness the power of this fully operational credit card Mr Jobs.

Oh wait, I've played straight into his hands, dang! :p

[gauriemma]

I for one don't have USB 2.0 on my mirror door Powermac G4. If they don't offer firewire, I probably won't buy a new ipod, because it would mean waiting for an hour or so transfering a gig of music over. No thanks.

You could always just buy a USB 2.0 card for, like $30. That's what I did for my Quicksilver G4.

[daysleeper]

Wow. I can't believe apple has some of you guys dreaming of the day they will allow you to shell out $400-$500 for something to replace what you just bought in October. Business students should study the Apple model.

[kugino]

Sure...I'll offer this suggestion...why limit yourself to just 15,000 songs ...take your money, buy a guitar, take lessons...play your own music wherever you go. You have more potential for # of songs than the ipod invisa.

What??? ...you asked for suggestions.
there are good suggestions and then there's this :rolleyes:

[mackeeper]

WoOT!

[hugeipod]

the fact that the 30 GB isn't on that list means something…

i think we might only see an 80 GB upgrade. But a full screen would be awesome! we only have 60 days to wait and see.

i'd say less, Apple birthday is less then 3 weeks away!

yes and also the 60gig ipod was put on the at risk list around feb 15th, not like a week ago so the update will be out b4 april 15th...perfect timing for an april fools day joke of an update...;) :) :D

[hugeipod]

I have over 250 GB of MP3s and 400 GB of movies. That being said, yes, I don't need all of them on my iPod at the same time... :p ;) :cool:
at max burst speed of usb2.0, that would take 150 days to transfer to an ipod (assuming that the songs and and videos are in iPod format. if not, it will be longer because conversion takes 4ever!!!)

[~Shard~]

at max burst speed of usb2.0, that would take 150 days to transfer to an ipod (assuming that the songs and and videos are in iPod format. if not, it will be longer because conversion takes 4ever!!!)

Thanks for that calculation - scary! :eek: :cool:

[MacMosher]

WoOT!
Thats a pretty terrible mock up ahaha, the ideal looks alrigh except it would be awful hard to click on anything there in itunes with your finger :P

[MrCrowbar]

WoOT!

wow. it looks so real! :o

Serously, I'd like a little keyboard (touch keyborad) so I can search for songs quickly. That would be even more ergonomic than the click(touch)wheel.

[steve_hill4]

I'd be unlikely to get a new iPod for the next couple of years, unless my current one broke. When I do though, I'd want it to have as many extra features as is possible, even if they ended up redundant.

I would however like to see it evolve in more than just a media player, something that will be like a PDA in it's features. The more they add, the closer it becomes to a handheld Mac and the more people will use it, like it and switch.

[dernhelm]

Hmmm.. 80GB wide-screen iPod video? Sounds like a tax-rebate purchase to me!

[ScubaDuc]

You could always just buy a USB 2.0 card for, like $30. That's what I did for my Quicksilver G4.

Yes, and much to my surpize, u don't need a Mac labelled one. I plugged in a generic $10 one in my Slowsilver :rolleyes: G4 and it has worked fine since 10.3 came along. I use it for the Coolpix scanner that requires USB2.

[macdong]

I could buy an iPod now - keep it in the box for two weeks and return it if something better comes out!
...


not to bust your hump, but...
man, you need to get your logic straight. :)

[celebrian23]

I really hope the ipod doesn't become a heldhand mac. I think it has an important niche.

[sushi]

WoOT!
Cool. Just thinking of the possibilities. :D

[Mac Fly (film)]

I can only speak for myself, but I'm feeling very positive about the future of Apple!
I expect a (true) video iPod & an iPod phone @ some stage!

I believe it's only a matter of time, and will happen eventually!:D

[maleheffer]

I wouldn't get too excited over this just yet. Obviously something is coming, however if only the 60 GB model has been identified, then to me that points to a capacity upgrade, not a complete redesign (i.e. touch screen) - otherwsie, Apple would have included the 30 GB model in this as well.


Or maybe, the 30 gig will stay, and it will look like this:

60/80gig iPodAv

30gig iPod w/ Video

1/2/4/8gig iPod Nano

1/2gig iPod Shuffle

would this be feasible?

[bloodycape]

There are video players out now with 100gigs and some people even then find space to be a little cramp. The highest I have seen so far in the flash market is 6gb and that's the new sandisk player. So I don't think the nano will hit 8gigs for a while.

[coreybox]

Well, by that definition, is there anything that does become obsolete. My family has a old Gateway 2000 computer, a whopping 75mhz! It still does what it was bought to do, so that must mean it is not obsolete. We also have Compaq that doesn't even turn on. That I call broken, not obsolete.

Edit: The definition of obsolete via Dashboard reads: 'no longer produced or used.' Does Apple still produce 4G iPods?


Well, if you use dashboards definition then you could call it 'obsolete'. BUT as far as the computer goes....it depends what you bought it for. 75mhz can't really do much ANYTHING anymore, where as a new iPod does basically the same thing. A 250Gen iPod will not play my AAC files any better than the one i've got right now....

[celebrian23]

dictionary.com says obsolete means either no longer in use or outmoded (I don't have a paper dictionary handy). I pretty much agree. A 1G ipod is not obsolete- it's still in use, and it's not really outmoded. It can still function as it was meant to. An apple 1 on the other hand is no longer used by basically anybody and it's basically completely outmoded in construction, design, etc.

[EricNau]

Or maybe, the 30 gig will stay, and it will look like this:

60/80gig iPodAv

30gig iPod w/ Video

1/2/4/8gig iPod Nano

1/2gig iPod Shuffle

would this be feasible?
I would say not. It's a little more complicated than Apple seems to like. I'd say it would be more like this;

80 GB iPod AV
30 GB iPod (the current model)
1/2/4 GB iPod Nano
1 GB iPod Shuffle

[Philberttheduck]

Well, I just hope they keep the new AVs thin. Watching all my friends with their "thin" ipods made me look at my 60 photo ipod with disgust. ruins the beauty aspect of apple-made products. its really annoying to put in your pockets too (without the iskin, no less).

[bloodycape]

I don't get the obsession over thin prodducts. Many of us have phones bigger than our dap players and yet most are not complaining?

[EricNau]

I don't get the obsession over thin prodducts. Many of us have phones bigger than our dap players and yet most are not complaining?
That's why they are making phones smaller also. ;)
43397

[bloodycape]

Yeah but I hear that phone was just average. My phone is currently .5mm bigger than my A2 video player. And I don't have to worry about some of the problems Nano or 5g iPod owners have with it cracking. I guess it's a double edge sword there.

[mackeeper]

Thats a pretty terrible mock up ahaha, the ideal looks alrigh except it would be awful hard to click on anything there in itunes with your finger :P


Hey! Took me 19 hours! Ok maybe not. The idea is that you use the click wheel to control the song/volume/speed, etc. And I didnt show this, but you'd use 2 fingers to scroll up and down, or left and right, through iTunes. It would be very easy I think.

[maverick18x]

I think an important thing to note is that with the new Mac Minis starting at $599, the $499 price point becomes open. No one wants to buy an iPod the price of a computer, right?

Now, as is, I don't think Apple is willing to extend the iPod's pricing that far. However, the patents filed recently suggest this new iPod could have an entirely different UI, leading to many new features.

Apple puts the 60GB on the "at risk" list, which would leave the $399 price point open, too. The 30GB iPod with video is still around, leaving recent buyers less disgruntled. They did this a year ago with the iPod 4G and iPod Photo. Does anyone remember the price points durring this time?

I would not be surprised to see some sort of iPod with some tablet-style features at $399 and $499 price points around April 1st. Maybe 40 and 80GB?

Wishful thinking?

[EricNau]

...
Apple puts the 60GB on the "at risk" list, which would leave the $399 price point open, too. The 30GB iPod with video is still around, leaving recent buyers less disgruntled. They did this a year ago with the iPod 4G and iPod Photo. Does anyone remember the price points durring this time?
...
I think the iPod 4G was $299 and the Photo was $399.

[bloodycape]

I think the iPod 4G was $299 and the Photo was $399.

Which photo the 30gig , or the 40gig? Come to think of it I think the 30gig was priced around 350?

[maverick18x]

I think the iPod 4G was $299 and the Photo was $399.

I just checked. The 20GB iPod 4G was $299, the 30GB iPod Photo was $349 and the 60GB iPod Photo was $449. Maybe the 30GB iPod with video will stay at $299, and the new iPods come in at $399 and $499.

[bloodycape]

I just checked. The 20GB iPod 4G was $299, the 30GB iPod Photo was $349 and the 60GB iPod Photo was $449. Maybe the 30GB iPod with video will stay at $299, and the new iPods come in at $399 and $499.
I remeber seeing the 60 at 400.

[maverick18x]

I remeber seeing the 60 at 400.

yah, probably when the whole line went color. i'm talking about when the first introduced them, and left the 4G around.

[MacQuest]

The high-end iPod with video playback capability was introduced 6 months ago, in October. We probably won't see another revision to the high-end iPod after the upcoming one [touchscreen or not] until October or near the holidays.

There are your 2 revisions in 1 year. No more, no less.

You can't count an anniversary event with decadal increment in the iPod cycle statistic.

You can if the "anniversary event with decadal increment" happens to fall within the same timelline as the normal "iPod cycle statistic".

In other words, 6 months is fairly normal for a major iPod update or revision, and within the next 3 weeks will have been 6 months since the last one.

[berkleeboy210]

Looprumors is currently reporting that the new ad campaign will be a "100 movies in your pocket' type thing.

I'd like to believe it. Sounds Reliable

What's there track record been lately?

[Philberttheduck]

I got mine for 420..(so 450 was standard) I have an online reciept to prove. I bought mine under the educational discount, and it turned out to be about 451 (not much of a discount compared to retail..)

Item Product Product Description Total Total Unit Extended
Number Ordered Shipped Price Price
001 P9830LL/A IPOD PHOTO 60G-PERSONALIZ 1 1 419.00 419.00
SerialNo.: ( JQ5141ZRSB1 )

Subtotal 419.00
Tax 32.48
Shipping Charges
TOTAL USD 451.48

Questions? Call 800-676-2775 Mon-Fri 8am-9pm, Sat-Sun 9am-6pm CT

Salesperson Contact Entry Date Ship Date Routing Waybill Number
BD 04/13/05 04/13/05 FEDERAL EXPRESS 701854909558

Billed To: Credit Card

[MacQuest]

But I really think that a "true video iPod" won't carry the iPod in the name if it's more of a dedicated video player.

Agreed. Yet I do believe that it will still be a "Pod" product and possibly retain Pod in the name, the same way I believe that the "i" will be dropped from iMac on the next major design revision.

Apple's all about Macs and Pods right now, hopefully more :) . I hope that when they introduce their clipboard sized pda/tablet hybrid, that they capitalize on both Mac and Pod product lines with this revolutionary new product and Call it either a MacPod, or maybe even MacPad [since Pad can also spell pda and can be considered somewhat of a tablet on which you could write on].

Since early '04 when Apple launched it's "iPod division" I've always said that that was just a front for the development of the other "digital lifestyle devices" that SJ promised us would be coming from Apple back in '01 when the iPod was introduced.

[MacQuest]

this is really odd and interesting news. Firstly my 3rd gen recently broke and i have been saving for the 5 gen 60 gb ipod as i have lots of music and like the idea of putting video on it and pictures.

i have almost saved for the new iPod so will it be wise to wait til after april 1 as that is only 2 weeks away!!!!

suggestions????

OH FOR THE LOVE OF GAWD, YES!!!

:D

[YoGramMamma]

With all this talk of iPod this and touchscreen that... i think i shall throw in my 2 cents worth of predictions (or wishes)... and they are as follows, in no particular keynote-delivered order...

1. Launch of Movie downloading service of some type.... Disney and all its friends to pioneer this feature... in conjuction with an update to front Row "2.0" or whatever not as a entire revamp, but as an added layer to the existing FR, and either as a free upgrade for those with intel machines or G5 iMacs with front row... or as a paid software bundle ($29 or something small like that) avaliable to anyone with 10.4. This way if you want a beefier media center, toss 'em 30 bux and have at it.. no matter what kind of computer you have.

2. Launch of Special Edition iPod AV (video iPod.. duh) with all the already-heard-about features that are in countless threads including this one. But in 30 and 60GB, or maybe 40 and 80 GB capacities. This way.. they will leave the 30 GB 5gen where is is for those who just want music... and anyone who wants video primarily can get the 30/60GB special edition video. This will be special edition until it winds up in some new category much later.. but I think Apple will not stray too far away from the actual tactical click wheel for the majority of iPods, since a virtual click wheel is so impractical for EVERYONE but those watchin movies.

3. *this is one thing i have not heard anyone mention(not to say that it hasnt been mentioned).. and its a definite wish moreso than a prediction... but I think, since they like releasing special edition stuff, and its their anniversary and all.. and the iMac is their baby and all.... they should come out with the iMac SE... basically, a 23" cinema display with the guts of a 17 or 20" imac core duo built in. Keep it flat (as opposed to thicker in the middle, thinner on the edges), its already thick enough seems like, with no extra space underneth the screen.. hell, make it a lil thicker to fit in the drive and all. Pop a lil DVD drive slit in the side of it, a slit for the heat across the back of it... and the holes of a Powemac under the bottom for the speakers, and air intake. Hell, you could even make the holes on the sides of it, so it would be uniform silver, and have the slit for the disc still in the same place, and all the air could be sucked from the lower sides, and the speakers on the mid or upper sides... Add an iSight on the top of the bezel.. and call it a $1999 knock out.. them things will fly off the shelves. And if they wanted to really spice things up, make the keyboard and mouse match... with the silver plastic they make powerbook/macbook keyboard keys out of....... i mean, you know they can do it if they want. that would be only adding 700 bux to the price of the 23" cinema display as it is... and it could be a limited thing in case its impractical from a business and profit standpoint... that is.. unless if took off (as i think it would)

food for thought!

wow, that was a long post.... sorry.. but a man can wish

[MacQuest]

Yes.

Sustained transfer speeds are much different. Firewire is much faster over time.

This is a hardware issue and how USB is supported/implemented.


Also, if I'm not mistaken, FireWire is "smarter" like SCSI as far as drive control being isolated to the device, whereas USB is dependent on the host CPU for processing. Ever tried to copy large amounts of data between two USB drives? It slows to a crawl and eats CPU.

Basically, Firewire is a superior data transfer protocol to USB because it uses [non speed degrading] peer-to-peer data tranfer rather than USB's master/slave data transfer.

The "Firewire is much faster over time" comment made by sushi and the "FireWire is "smarter" like SCSI as far as drive control being isolated to the device" comment by janstett is summed up this way:

- Firewire = peer-to-peer data transfer
- USB = master/slave data transfer

The problem with master/slave device relationships is that the data transfer rate degrades with each device added to the USB daisy chain.

USB allows up to 127 devices to be connected in a device chain, but Firewire allows 60-something devices to be connected but with no [or at least significantly less] data transfer speed loss.

[EricNau]

To add proof for the firewire/usb debate...
http://www.barefeats.com/usb2.html

[MacQuest]

i think your estimates for the sizes of those movie files is a bit off...
a standard definition, 640x480p video image has 4 times as many pixels as does the ipod res videos. and just looking at the file sizes of the 1080p movie trailers on the quicktime site, the superman trailer is 118MB for about a minute and a half, if you do the math for a 2 hour movie you're looking at a 9GB movie file.

despite the daunting increase in file sizes, apple needs to offer higher res video before i will even consider buying anything from them.

Sure I rounded the numbers somewhat, but I don't think my numbers are that far off.

The High School Musical movie is a 487MB file with a 1 hour and 39 minute duration at a resolution of 320 x 240. Twice that resolution would be 640 x 480 and therefore twice the file size, 974MB. DVD quality has a horizontal resolution of 720 so I suppose that file size would be around 1.2GB, or whatever.

Double the horizontal resolution of 640 x 480 and you get 1080. Again, I assume the file size would be around 1,948MB, or 2 GB's rounded up.

At least that was the way I was figuring it. However, your comment about the 90 second 1080p Superman trailer at 118MB is interesting and makes sense.

I'm gonna have to look further into how resolutions affect file sizes, so as i first stated in this response post of mine...

"Sure I rounded the numbers somewhat, but I think my numbers are way off." :o
;)

[Polish97]

What if apple found a new compression for Movies?

They've always done their own software why not a new compression. Apple started last year when they released aperture. Constantly upgrading the editing software for digital imaging. This could be a new quicktime addition or something added to final cut pro allowing HD capacity in smaller format.

Remember when mp3's were new.

[MacQuest]

I got mine for 420..(so 450 was standard) I have an online reciept to prove. I bought mine under the educational discount, and it turned out to be about 451 (not much of a discount compared to retail..)

Item Product Product Description Total Total Unit Extended
Number Ordered Shipped Price Price
001 P9830LL/A IPOD PHOTO 60G-PERSONALIZ 1 1 419.00 419.00
SerialNo.: ( JQ5141ZRSB1 )

Subtotal 419.00
Tax 32.48
Shipping Charges
TOTAL USD 451.48

Questions? Call 800-676-2775 Mon-Fri 8am-9pm, Sat-Sun 9am-6pm CT

Salesperson Contact Entry Date Ship Date Routing Waybill Number
BD 04/13/05 04/13/05 FEDERAL EXPRESS 701854909558

Billed To: Credit Card

I won't believe you unless you provide the credit card type, expiration date, and number.

What if apple found a new compression for Movies?

They've always done their own software why not a new compression. Apple started last year when they released aperture. Constantly upgrading the editing software for digital imaging. This could be a new quicktime addition or something added to final cut pro allowing HD capacity in smaller format.

Remember when mp3's were new.

- .iHD? :p
- .HDQT/.QTHD? ;)
- .movHD/.HDmov :)

[Polish97]

you never know. Maybe apple's going the route of AOL. Starting its own ISP.

- iNet

They'll this new web to provide quicker download of the new movie service.

[(L)]

I sure hope they don't update it. I would really prefer it if apple didn't update products more often than once or maybe twice a year.

It's so frustrating when a month after buying something, something else that's better and cheaper comes out. I know this happens with everything and it's a good thing but uch.

If good things didn't come out as quickly, Apple would progress much more slowly. Sure, it might be frustrating to the consumer who always wants the newest gadget, but for most people, it's no big deal - you've got your iPod or iMac or whatever. I guess it's because Apple can't sell tot he people that "hope they don't update it," while they can sell to people like me that have yet to buy an iPod. In my case I'm waiting until they can get reasonably close to perfection...which will be when the case is made of carbon fiber and the hard drive's replaced with a 120 gig flash thing, along with various durability and reliability software tweaks.

[(L)]

you never know. Maybe apple's going the route of AOL. Starting its own ISP.

- iNet

They'll this new web to provide quicker download of the new movie service.

Gee, I hope not (because it seems like expanding into too many areas too fast when they have much to work on just on computers and peripherals). Can't they just use all that server space they bought recently?

[(L)]

I'd be unlikely to get a new iPod for the next couple of years, unless my current one broke. When I do though, I'd want it to have as many extra features as is possible, even if they ended up redundant.

I would however like to see it evolve in more than just a media player, something that will be like a PDA in it's features. The more they add, the closer it becomes to a handheld Mac and the more people will use it, like it and switch.

It takes a lot of skill to cram all those features in there and yet maintain a simple and easy, streamlined device. In fact, I would argue that it is not possible without radical hardware changes/inventions. An iPod is so unlike a PDA, yet I see that "convergence" make sense if only because now you would not carry around a PDA and an iPod, but just an iPDA. However, this iPDA would have to be the best PDA and the best music player simultaneously without costing too much for either field separately. Music player that costs 30% extra for being a PDA? I don't think so....

[(L)]

Sure I rounded the numbers somewhat, but I don't think my numbers are that far off.

The High School Musical movie is a 487MB file with a 1 hour and 39 minute duration at a resolution of 320 x 240. Twice that resolution would be 640 x 480 and therefore twice the file size, 974MB. DVD quality has a horizontal resolution of 720 so I suppose that file size would be around 1.2GB, or whatever.

Double the horizontal resolution of 640 x 480 and you get 1080. Again, I assume the file size would be around 1,948MB, or 2 GB's rounded up.

At least that was the way I was figuring it. However, your comment about the 90 second 1080p Superman trailer at 118MB is interesting and makes sense.

I'm gonna have to look further into how resolutions affect file sizes, so as i first stated in this response post of mine...

"Sure I rounded the numbers somewhat, but I think my numbers are way off." :o
;)

Umm, if you double the width AND the height of the screen resolution, you have 4 times the number of pixels. Just thought I'd mention it.

[inkiboo]

Sure I rounded the numbers somewhat, but I don't think my numbers are that far off.

The High School Musical movie is a 487MB file with a 1 hour and 39 minute duration at a resolution of 320 x 240. Twice that resolution would be 640 x 480 and therefore twice the file size, 974MB. DVD quality has a horizontal resolution of 720 so I suppose that file size would be around 1.2GB, or whatever.

Your numbers *are* that far off.

640x480 is actually FOUR times the resolution of 320x240. Let me show you why.

320x240 = 76,800 pixels
640x480 = 307,200 pixels

307,200 / 76,800 = 4

DVDs are 720 x 576, which is 414,720 pixels; even bigger.

[MacQuest]

"Sure I rounded the numbers somewhat, but I think my numbers are way off." :o ;)

Umm, if you double the width AND the height of the screen resolution, you have 4 times the number of pixels. Just thought I'd mention it.

Which is why I ended my previous post with comment quoted above.
[Hint: I realized that my calculations were wrong].

[(L)]

With all this talk of iPod this and touchscreen that... i think i shall throw in my 2 cents worth of predictions (or wishes)... and they are as follows, in no particular keynote-delivered order...

1. [summary: movie service and Front Row changes]

2. Launch of Special Edition iPod AV (video iPod.. duh) with all the already-heard-about features that are in countless threads including this one. But in 30 and 60GB, or maybe 40 and 80 GB capacities. This way.. they will leave the 30 GB 5gen where is is for those who just want music... and anyone who wants video primarily can get the 30/60GB special edition video. This will be special edition until it winds up in some new category much later.. but I think Apple will not stray too far away from the actual tactical click wheel for the majority of iPods, since a virtual click wheel is so impractical for EVERYONE but those watchin movies.

3. [summary: 23" special edition iMac]

food for thought!

wow, that was a long post.... sorry.. but a man can wish

I don't mean to be rude and crude and summarize too much, but I just wanted to respond to those bits.

1) Front Row, I've given up on. Unless there is a remote and a receiver, it just doesn't make that much sense. Probably remains a "next time you buy a Mac" thing. Movie service is definitely coming.

2) I highly doubt the so called "true" video iPod, or iPod 6G, will be labeled as Special Edition. It is their anniversary and a good time for special editions, but a big change (like a touchscreen) already makes it a special upgrade and doesn't need to be a limited edition. Limited edition with some artist's signature, perhaps, but not an entire product model as a hoohah thing. Plus, they would have difficulty pricing a 30 gig video iPod in competition with a 30 gig 5G iPod. Lastly, although I agree with you that conventional touchscreens wouldn't be all too great for music lovers, I don't think Apple would do something as horrific as divide its customers into video people and audio people. Why? (1) They said the iPod would always be primarily music...even if movies take up more HDD space, "Movies" would still be listed under "Music" in the interface, and in no way will the movies funcitionality interfere or inhibit the music functionality. Naturally, there will be some weirdos that want to own 16 movies on a portable device, but most people would put a couple movies, some podcasts, some tv shows, and a boatload of music. After all, a Nano is too small for anybody even slightly like an audiophile. (2) It's more profitable to grab everybody with a device that is an excellent music player and a decent video player than it is to engineer a separate video player that still can't compare to a laptop or portable dvd player or just plain old dvd player. (3) Apple has been working on touchscreens, tablet or no tablet. If the 6G is touchscreen, there should be at least some degree of protection against finger oil and such.

3) 23" iMac? That's a rather significant product line shift. Seems like it could be unpopular too, since 20" is pretty big for that sorta desktop.

[(L)]

Which is why I ended my previous post with comment quoted above.
[Hint: I realized that my calculations were wrong].


Ah.. Read your last comment wrong. Sorry.

[MacQuest]

"Sure I rounded the numbers somewhat, but I think my numbers are way off."

Your numbers *are* that far off.

640x480 is actually FOUR times the resolution of 320x240. Let me show you why.

320x240 = 76,800 pixels
640x480 = 307,200 pixels

307,200 / 76,800 = 4

DVDs are 720 x 576, which is 414,720 pixels; even bigger.

AND YET AGAIN:

Which is why I ended my previous post with my comment quoted above.
[Hint: I realized that my calculations were wrong].

[(L)]

I think an important thing to note is that with the new Mac Minis starting at $599, the $499 price point becomes open. No one wants to buy an iPod the price of a computer, right?

Now, as is, I don't think Apple is willing to extend the iPod's pricing that far. However, the patents filed recently suggest this new iPod could have an entirely different UI, leading to many new features.


I don't know...as the top model with the most space, considering that accessories cost so much, an iPod at 500 bucks doesn't seem entirely out of the picture. New iPod, new features...perhaps, but an iPod is an iPod is an iPod, for the core use and for the bulk of the customers. $500 iff >60GB and touchscreen.

[MacQuest]

Ah.. Read your last comment wrong. Sorry.

No prob. People don't usually expect to see someone posting that they were wrong, so I guess it will probably be overlooked several more times. :rolleyes:

:)

3) 23" iMac? That's a rather significant product line shift. Seems like it could be unpopular too, since 20" is pretty big for that sorta desktop.

NOOOOOOO!!!

MUST... HAVE... 30" OLED, 1/4" THICK, 1/2 POUND, $10K iMAC "KITE" SPECIAL 30th ANNIVERSARY EDITION... with available Leather iString for only $99.

Just imagine a gust of wind getting under that thing since people usually use them outdoors. :rolleyes:

:D

[Josias]

If they do introduce a "TRUE" iPod Video, I hope they include FireWire support this time. 80GB of movies transfering over USB 2.0? :eek:

Earth to freak! USB 2.0=480mbps. FireWire400=400mbps. Why would you wanna use FireWire? Ok, if you buy a PowerMac G5, and the new iPod concidentally supports FireWire800 (800mbps), it would be faster, but I doubt Apple would make the new iPod compatible for only three computers in the world (PB 15 and 17" and PowerMac):D

[aswitcher]

If they do touch screen - then its effectively a PDA - that means its a tax deduction Down Under ;) :cool:

[surroundfan]

After hearing your argument about the touch screen and given it can sync contacts and calendars, I'm going to try salary sacrificing my iPod when I put in the form for my MacBook tomorrow... ;)

'It's a PDA', I'll argue, 'and the Applecare's pre-installed diagnostic software...' I suspect I won't get far, but it's worth a shot...

[sushi]

That's why they are making phones smaller also. ;)
43397
Or how about DoCoMo's credit card-sized Premini. Personally I think it is too small to be able to easily use. But cool nonetheless.

Article:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/06/25/ntt_premini/

Pics attached:

[MacQuest]

Earth to freak! USB 2.0=480mbps. FireWire400=400mbps. Why would you wanna use FireWire?

Knowledge is power Josias. Thank me and EricNau later. Hopefully before you go spreading anymore false propoganda. ;)
From the benchmark test article linked below: "USB 2.0 is much slower than FireWire 400 and 800."

Basically, Firewire is a superior data transfer protocol than USB because it uses [non speed degrading] peer-to-peer data tranfer rather than USB's master/slave data transfer.

To add proof for the firewire/usb debate...
http://www.barefeats.com/usb2.html

[inkiboo]

AND YET AGAIN:

Which is why I ended my previous post with my comment quoted above.
[Hint: I realized that my calculations were wrong].

Hint, if you say this:

"Sure I rounded the numbers somewhat, but I don't think my numbers are that far off."

... people will pick up on it (because it is wrong).

In fact, more than that, you made the common mistake of assuming that a doubling of resolution equals a doubling of file size.

[MacQuest]

Hint, if you say this:

"Sure I rounded the numbers somewhat, but I don't think my numbers are that far off."

... people will pick up on it (because it is wrong).

Reading the entire post is always a good idea. If you don't you might miss something, as you have just proven by either not having read or understood what I ended that same post with:

"Sure I rounded the numbers somewhat, but I think my numbers are way off." :o ;)

That's called an admission of guilt, or more accurately in this case, an acknowledgement that I was mistaken. I realized that I had made a common error by the end of my post.

At least "(L)" whom self admittedly misread my corrected quote at the end, responded admirably:

Ah.. Read your last comment wrong. Sorry.

In fact, more than that, you made the common mistake of assuming that a doubling of resolution equals a doubling of file size.

:rolleyes: ...again, which I reconciled in my final comment... :rolleyes:

Move along folks, nothing to see here.

Where were we? Ah yes, 60GB iPod Product Line Changes?

Discuss... :)

[Proud Liberal]

I don't know...as the top model with the most space, considering that accessories cost so much, an iPod at 500 bucks doesn't seem entirely out of the picture. New iPod, new features...perhaps, but an iPod is an iPod is an iPod, for the core use and for the bulk of the customers. $500 iff >60GB and touchscreen.

When Apple released the iPod photo 60GB (the original release from October 2004), it was $599, but included the dock, A/C adaper and USB/Firewire cables.

[Cinch]

you never know. Maybe apple's going the route of AOL. Starting its own ISP.

- iNet



This is the funniest thing I ever heard on MacRumors!!:D :D :D

Well maybe not. Maybe you are right. If so, I'm going to sell AAPL share now and short it. Wait a year from now or two and cash in.

AOL is a fabulous example of internet flop. It has the most intrusive software known to mankind. Its CEO (Steve Case) abandon ship. It participated in the costliest merger of all time (I really mean of all time!).

Okay, enough of my rant.:D

Disclaimer: I did own AOL (TWX) stock and manage come out ahead. Brought at $15, sold at $17.50.

Cinch

[janstett]

WoOT!
Good luck clicking the "close" button on that!

[berkleeboy210]

If all of this is indeed going to happen should we be seeing some sort of event confirmation during this coming week?

[janstett]

This is the funniest thing I ever heard on MacRumors!!:D :D :D

Well maybe not. Maybe you are right. If so, I'm going to sell AAPL share now and short it. Wait a year from now or two and cash in.


Apple did buy a data center on the east coast (Newark, NJ) from MCI/Worldcomm. I'm still trying to figure out where that fits in. Maybe an east coast mirror/backbone.

[zap2]

I'm waiting for this update to happen! I want a touch screen iPod!

And if its just a pump to 80Gb but the same form factor, i'll start using my 60Gb again(i stop using it for a little, i hopes of not scraches on it, as it perfect right now)

[zap2]

I think the iPod 4G was $299 and the Photo was $399.


i thought it was 299-20GB 4G, 399 40Gb 4G, 499 4G Photo 599 60Gb Photo

That what i thought it was at when Photo's fist came around but then the 2nd Gen Minis came and it went to

20Gb 4G-299, 399 30Gb Photo, 499-60Gb Photo

[EricNau]

OK, I was a little off with the iPod Photo Prices. According to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ipod_photo), the original prices were;

30 GB - $349 - added 5 months later in Feb 2005
40 GB - $499 - (discontinued Feb 2005)
60 GB - $599 - in Feb 2005, price dropped to $449, but no longer included accessories.

[dicklacara]

Apple did buy a data center on the east coast (Newark, NJ) from MCI/Worldcomm. I'm still trying to figure out where that fits in. Maybe an east coast mirror/backbone.

That's Newark, CA... near Fremont... about 30 miles from Cupertino!

[BRLawyer]

That's Newark, CA... near Fremont... about 30 miles from Cupertino!

Hahaha, that was funny...:D

[dicklacara]

Hahaha, that was funny...:D
No...

[BRLawyer]

No...

No what..? I didn't disagree...hehehe

[bloodycape]

I dunno there is currentlty a video player with 30 gigs and a touch screen out on the market base on a linux os for 500 and I hear it is doing pretty well.

[gunpowda]

When Apple released the iPod video, did the iPod photo get pushed down to a lower price with the video taking its place, or did it stay at the same price with the video costing more?

[Proud Liberal]

When Apple released the iPod video, did the iPod photo get pushed down to a lower price with the video taking its place, or did it stay at the same price with the video costing more?

the photo line went away completely. Once the iPod with video was introduced last October, the iPod lineup was Shuffle -- Nano -- iPod w/video.

[MacQuest]

I dunno there is currentlty a video player with 30 gigs and a touch screen out on the market base on a linux os for 500 and I hear it is doing pretty well.

All the more reason for Apple to release a vPod/iPod AV. If that device you speak of is doing well, imagine how much better Apple's device will do with it's established market dominance.

I'm sure all of those other portable music player manufacturers thought they were doing pretty well before the iPod came along. :p ;) :D

[bloodycape]

All the more reason for Apple to release a vPod/iPod AV. If that device you speak of is doing well, imagine how much better Apple's device will do with it's established market dominance.

I'm sure all of those other portable music player manufacturers thought they were doing pretty well before the iPod came along. :p ;) :D

Well the Istation V43 is currently out in Korea and Japan and that is currently doing well there for what it is. The older version was a pretty good seller here at from mysticaudio.com. The V43 is currently based on the AMD portable cpu . It has a the option of a GPS system and dmbtv. I doubt apple will support GPS nad dmbtv since that is currently only out io Korea and Japan.

[Tupring]

When Apple released the iPod video, did the iPod photo get pushed down to a lower price with the video taking its place, or did it stay at the same price with the video costing more?the photo line went away completely. Once the iPod with video was introduced last October, the iPod lineup was Shuffle -- Nano -- iPod w/video.Some Apple Resellers still had the 60GB Photo available in November for $349, I know because I bought one.

[RodThePlod]

If they do touch screen - then its effectively a PDA - that means its a tax deduction Down Under ;) :cool:

What type of PDA functionality would you like to see in an iPod?

Reason being, I'm putting the finishing touches on a web site that will provide all iPods from 3G and up a specific type of PDA functionality not yet available on iPods. (As it doesn't have a screen, iPod shuffle is not supported).

In true SteveStyle, I'm keeping the exact details under wraps until my site goes live ;)

Hopefully my site will go live within 3 weeks - but I may try to bring this forward if Apple do bring out something interesting next week :D

RTP.

[Chupa Chupa]

urggg... this might mean no MacBook on April 1st! damn.


Why is that? Remember...the G5 iMac w/ Front Row was announced at the same Apple Event as the nano.

[Chupa Chupa]

Wow. I can't believe apple has some of you guys dreaming of the day they will allow you to shell out $400-$500 for something to replace what you just bought in October. Business students should study the Apple model.


I don't know about others here but eBay is my friend. Just because I buy a new iPod doesn't mean I take my old one and put it in the drawer to turn to dust. In the past I've gotten great prices for my old iPods (I also keep them and the accessories in pristine condition). For $40-60 I can easily upgrade to the latest and greatest.

The Apple business model isn't anything special. But recently the iPod upgrades have been significant. Producing a product that people want is something a biz student should understand before walking into his first class. But your company has to have vision for that to happen, and they don't teach vision in B school.

[celebrian23]

The good thing about used ipods is they are still as functional today as they were then. I'd love to snatch up a 3 or 4G ipod. Unlike a computer, where it just starts to age, even when working perfectly, it just can't stay up to the current standard.

[wkhahn]

Keep in mind that when the ipod photos came out, they dropped the 4G 40 gig, leaving just the 20gig. People still bought the 4G 20gig like crazy though, maybe just to "fit in with everyone else," as ipods are the zeitgeist of our era.


Not entirely true. I bought a 40gig 4G in Dec 04. At that time, the 40gig, no color was $100 cheaper than the 40gig photo. And the 60gig $100 more than that. They may very well follow this price scheme for the 6G videos iPods until the current 5G 60's run out, then drop the price.

[Mac Dummy]

Hmmm.. 80GB wide-screen iPod video? Sounds like a tax-rebate purchase to me!

Now your talkin'. I was going to buy a 5G 60Gb model after the Feburary 28th annoucement, but since nothing spectacular was announced. (read: "this was lame!)even though Apple annouced the Intel Mac Mini, which I think is cool. That was it. Hi-Fi speaker(why?) and $99 leather Ipod slipcases (uh...NO!) I'm looking very much forward to April 1st.:) My 3G is finally out of extended warranty and I got about $200+ worth of music and videos sitting in my "shopping cart" in the US ITMS. As well as many,many podcasts and vidcasts:D

Feature length movies are cool, but I'd rather rip from DVD's that I already own.

[Mac Dummy]

Why is that? Remember...the G5 iMac w/ Front Row was announced at the same Apple Event as the nano.

:confused: Just to clarify, the G5 iMac w/ Front Row was announced on October 12, 2005 along with the 5G Ipod w/ video. The Nano was announced in September 2005 along with that crappy Motorola "Rokr" cellphone with iTunes.

[flat6]

Dear Steve Jobs,

If you don't release a 8GB Nano soon, I will come to your house and hang you by your balls.

Yours sincerely,
Will Cluett



*The characters and incidents portrayed and the names used herein are fictitious and any resemblance to the names, character, or history of any person is coincidental and unintentional.

[Philberttheduck]

At that time, the 40gig, no color was $100 cheaper than the 40gig photo. And the 60gig $100 more than that.

:confused: why does that seem confusing to me..?

Well, the people around my neighborhood with G5 ipods have 60gig versions. I mean, video takes up alot of space, and my friends have almost 30gigs of music, so it only makes sense to purchase a 60. That's why I think the G5 60GB aren't the "hardest to sell" and I'm pretty sure their quantity is going out at a good rate.

I'm not disagreeing anywhere, though, that they're going to keep the G5 60 out for about 2 weeks before they cut em off completely from the online store.

I liked how the invitation to the intel imac/g5 ipod greeted "One more thing.." leaving "hard-core apple-analysts" to read between the lines. Very creative. Wondering what the next will read..

[Snowy_River]

Earth to freak! USB 2.0=480mbps. FireWire400=400mbps. Why would you wanna use FireWire? Ok, if you buy a PowerMac G5, and the new iPod concidentally supports FireWire800 (800mbps), it would be faster, but I doubt Apple would make the new iPod compatible for only three computers in the world (PB 15 and 17" and PowerMac):D

Just to offer a correction, USB2 can support higher burst speeds, but in sustained data transfers (i.e. big movie files) FireWire still outperforms it. Why do you think that all the camcorders are still FireWire, not USB2?

Even if you read the article someone else referenced, they comment that the Windows implementation of USB2 is much better than the Mac implementation, but if you look at the numbers they say they got on their Windows machine, they're still worse than the numbers provided by FireWire400, even on the slowest machine.

[BWalen]

My 4th gen 40gb iPod conveniently gave me the exclamation-mark/file folder screen today, and after following apple's on-line repair instructions, it appears my little iPod is dead...So it looks like it's time to cash in on my apple warranty and get it replaced, then ebay the new one it just in time some random unsuspecting person so that i can purchase whatever this new iPod is at a decent price :D :D :D

[BoyBach]

I'm dreading the rumoured 1st April event. My 4th Gen iPod is working fine but if Apple release a video iPod with decent content available in the UK I will find it very hard to resist :eek:

[jrussell6]

apple has done some incredible things, the first ipod were totally on point. but i don't understand what use all of you have for a 2/3/4 inch video player,, like, what the heck am i gonna do with that. It needs more connectivity, get one thing right before you move to the next,, i'ld just be happy with an 60/80 gig with a digital out,, ipod no video that had a 25 hour batt life. actually i'ld be happy with just the digital out. i'm sorry but bells and whistles do not getting me jumping about... and why doesn't it make a phone call yet... people have been talking about that forever...

[janstett]

The good thing about used ipods is they are still as functional today as they were then. I'd love to snatch up a 3 or 4G ipod. Unlike a computer, where it just starts to age, even when working perfectly, it just can't stay up to the current standard.

<cough> battery

In all seriousness, mine find new life as they age.

My first, 30GB 3G (god it looks so ancient now) could never hold my main collection and involved serious downsampling and amputation to fit. Now it stores my classical/jazz music.

My second, a 4G photo, has my main collection but it's stuffed to the gills and there is no more room at the inn without kicking somebody out.

Thus justifying my 3rd, a nano that contains my most recently aquired music.

Then I got my 4th, a 5G black video iPod which has my podcasts, DVD rips, and iPhoto pictures.

So that's why I carry 4 iPods in my briefcase (I think I'm sick)

[janstett]

apple has done some incredible things, the first ipod were totally on point. but i don't understand what use all of you have for a 2/3/4 inch video player,, like, what the heck am i gonna do with that.

Well, here's how I've used mine.

First, I loved the album art, nice touch. It's much more pleasant to read the color screen with the aliased fonts than the old b&w display.

Sometimes I put my video iPod on my desk while I'm working and play a video. I have ripped all my music video DVDs so I can listen to/watch the videos, it's MTV to go. I have DVD rips galore, like the entire run of Futurama, I just watch/listen in the background as I work. In the corner of my eye I can catch the video, and it's not so large or obnoxious as to make it look like I'm goofing off watching a video.

One unexpected need the video iPod has filled is, it has quashed my "need" for a DVD player in my cars. My iPods are on goosenecks in the car at easily-reached positions near the radio. I do have a 7" flat DVD player that fits on the same goosneck. Now if I need to take a video on the road, I rip it to the iPod instead of taking the DVD player. Now granted while driving I will not distract myself by looking at the screen, but I can listen to my favorite material and catch a glimpse at traffic lights.

For this reason, the widescreen video iPod has me interested.

And, of course, I have my pictures with me all the time if someone wants to see a picture.

Now, having said all this, I would still like to see a bigger audio-centric iPod too. 60GB is not big enough for me as I have to cut out parts of my collection to fit it and I can't add new material without losing something first. Also I would like to experiment with lossless and I need more space to do so.

[nemaslov]

I would LOVE more storgae. I have 140GB of music loaded at home and would LOVE to take much more with me than my 60GB iPod holds. An 80GB or even 120 (2x 60 drives) would be fine by me!!! Don't care at all about video.

[macdong]

I would LOVE more storgae. I have 140GB of music loaded at home and would LOVE to take much more with me than my 60GB iPod holds. An 80GB or even 120 (2x 60 drives) would be fine by me!!! Don't care at all about video.


perhaps you should try one of those external firewire hard drives?
i wouldn't not want to carrt 2 60GB hard drives with me.

[celebrian23]

I think that once you get into 80+ GB you get more into a niche ipod. The average person has nowhere near 140GB of music. I don't think we'll be seeing a 100GB for quite a while.

[bloodycape]

As I have stated there is a avery few players with 100gig and one of them being a 4in video player and a 7in model. The 4in model at one point could be had for like 550 after rebates which is a good deal. and rumor has it the hd can be upgraded to like 120gigs after ghosting the main drive .If apple can pull that much off that be a pretty good seller.

[Ohmeohmom]

http://www.forbes.com/technology/feeds/afx/2006/03/21/afx2611825.html

I wonder if this is for the new Ipod

[student_trap]

what would be nice is an upgrade to 40 gigs from the current 30 at the same form-factor, that would give me a little space to grow! Don't care much for video, especially when it zaps battery life.

I find it interesting that when the ipod came out, it did simplicity...you had music, and it worked, it was slick, and it was fast with no lagging menu's etc. Other Mp3 player makers would shout about how their player had so many bells and whistles (which nobody really cared for), but apple stuck to its simplicity idea. Now it seems that apple is offering all bells and whistles, and all I (and it seems many other people) want is a dam good music player!

[Proud Liberal]

As I have stated there is a avery few players with 100gig and one of them being a 4in video player and a 7in model. The 4in model at one point could be had for like 550 after rebates which is a good deal. and rumor has it the hd can be upgraded to like 120gigs after ghosting the main drive .If apple can pull that much off that be a pretty good seller.

I believe you are referring the Archos players & they don't use a 1.8" HDD like the iPod - they are using the 2.5" HDD, thus the bigger form factor size. As far as I know, Toshiba's (Apple's HDD supplier) largest capacity 1.8" HDD is 80GB, and from past reports Apple bought a large supply of these drives. Hopefully we'll be seeing a mid-cycle upgrade to the 5G iPod to include these 80GB drives.

[bloodycape]

I believe you are referring the Archos players & they don't use a 1.8" HDD like the iPod - they are using the 2.5" HDD, thus the bigger form factor size. As far as I know, Toshiba's (Apple's HDD supplier) largest capacity 1.8" HDD is 80GB, and from past reports Apple bought a large supply of these drives. Hopefully we'll be seeing a mid-cycle upgrade to the 5G iPod to include these 80GB drives.
Yeah it is the archos . I a serch says yes they are using 2.5hdd hardrive. I still think apple can get 100gigs in the ipod. But with that much gigs 80 or 100gigs apple needs to give some good built in feature set like voice recorder and if it is a video player a built in video recorder.

[Proud Liberal]

Yeah it is the archos . I a serch says yes they are using 2.5hdd hardrive. I still think apple can get 100gigs in the ipod. But with that much gigs 80 or 100gigs apple needs to give some good built in feature set like voice recorder and if it is a video player a built in video recorder.

Again, if there aren't any companies making a 1.8" 100GB HDD, then there is no way Apple can put one in an iPod. The only option would be to use the 2.5" HDD and that would make the size of the iPod significantly larger than it currently is.

[ipod0324]

when do you think Apple will send out those inviations? Should be soon for an event around April1.

[istonedu321]

Im still rockin the 3g ipod, and it works just as well as the day i bought it.just wish i had gone witha bigger harddrive. 20 gigs just doesnt suffice.

That's why if you buy something as soon as it comes out, you'll have the longest time of being the coolest kid on the block!

If you're a more practical person than trendsetter, however, if you buy something for a specific purpose, it will still do it even if newer, better products replace it.

I know peoples with minis who are perfectly happy playing their music with them and have no intention of buying a new one just yet, even if the new model had holographic 10' screens with 5.1 surround sound.

(I would though! iPod AV "Help me Obi Wan Kenobi, you're my only hope" edition, here we come.)

[peharri]

Im still rockin the 3g ipod, and it works just as well as the day i bought it.just wish i had gone witha bigger harddrive. 20 gigs just doesnt suffice.
I still love my 2G iPod. (There are multiple definitions of 2G so to clarify: 10Gb but similar to old "5Gb" style with mechanical wheel changed to touch wheel.) I can see myself upgrading to a nano when a version comes out with at least 8Gb, but until then...

I don't think they will, but if Apple does come out with a mobile phone/iPod combination, then again I'll want it to have enough capacity to replace this before I stop carrying it around. I want at least 8Gb, if not more, of disk space. In the long term, it'll be interesting to see what happens with the kinds of memory cards, such as Transflash, you can get in regular cellphones in general. My V635 supports BT, Transflash, and Java. In theory, if Transflash cards ever had enough capacity, then with a decent MP3 player (and that's a big "with") and some BT headphones, it might work out as a good replacement. But that's a while off.

[~Shard~]

Im still rockin the 3g ipod, and it works just as well as the day i bought it.just wish i had gone witha bigger harddrive. 20 gigs just doesnt suffice.

I have hundreds of GBs of music, however I don't need it all with me where ever I go, so my 20 GB 3G iPod is quite sufficient. To each their own though. :)

[trogdor!]

I like how they use the term "at risk". I have a feeling it is just an upgrade to an 80gig, but maybe they could surprise us all.

[aswitcher]

A 32GB Static Memory Video iPod would offer amazing battery life (I guess) thin form factor - maybe in a few years when prices drop...

[zack.williams]

if the new ipods and macbooks do come out in the next week, what a great anniversary that'll be!

[MLM]

Maybe an iPod with front row-like software is on its way...

[mongoos150]

Maybe an iPod with front row-like software is on its way...
?! The iPod IS frontrow - plays videos, music, etc... Are you talking about the graphical interface? It would be annoying on a small iPod and completely unneccessary (not to mention a battery hog for those hardware graphic requirements.

[Peace]

This might just be fantasy but I receive a list of seminars from Apple and just got another..

EVERY seminar that's going on at a retail Apple store says :

Have an iPod Video, but no idea how to use the video capabilities? Thinking of purchasing an iPod Video? If you want to go mobile with your favorite video, this free seminar is for you!

Learn about...

...the technology behind the iPod Video
...types of video that can be used on your iPod
...putting your own iMovies, web video, or DVDs onto your iPod
...purchasing shows, movies, and music videos from iTunes and getting them onto your iPod

We will cover the settings, software, and techniques needed to to format your favorite videos...to go!


They keep referring to the "iPod Video" and putting DVD's on it..

All of these seminars are on April 3rd..

:confused:

[BWhaler]

how much music/movies do people need... 80 gigs that's the size of my whole hard drive:eek:

edit - rather have a nano update as i'm highly thinking of buying one

In the age of video, 80 gigs is nothing. I use my 5G just for video--I travel globally and get bored easily, and I already have more video content than the 60 gig allows for.

[BWhaler]

<cough> battery

In all seriousness, mine find new life as they age.

My first, 30GB 3G (god it looks so ancient now) could never hold my main collection and involved serious downsampling and amputation to fit. Now it stores my classical/jazz music.

My second, a 4G photo, has my main collection but it's stuffed to the gills and there is no more room at the inn without kicking somebody out.

Thus justifying my 3rd, a nano that contains my most recently aquired music.

Then I got my 4th, a 5G black video iPod which has my podcasts, DVD rips, and iPhoto pictures.

So that's why I carry 4 iPods in my briefcase (I think I'm sick)

You are my hero. I thought I was crazy with two.

[~Shard~]

In the age of video, 80 gigs is nothing. I use my 5G just for video--I travel globally and get bored easily, and I already have more video content than the 60 gig allows for.

I agree. My collection of Doctor Who episodes alone is over 170 GB. :eek: :cool: