More Video iPod Reports - Now with Bluetooth?

[MacRumors]

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MacNN reports on (http://www.macnn.com/articles/06/03/21/apple.60gb.ipod.at.risk/) a research note released by American Technology Research. According to their analysts, Apple is indeed looking to replace their high end iPod with a new video iPod in the next quarter. New to the rumor is information that the new "widescreen video iPod' would come with Bluetooth headphones.

The addition of Bluetooth to the iPod has been long rumored (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2005/09/20050916104032.shtml) as well. Apple has also filed patents depicting the use of a wireless iPod.

Apple has been widely expected to have some sort of product announcement surrounding their 30th anniversary (April 1, 2006), but no reliable confirmation has been received. A Page 2 rumor (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/03/20060321030914.shtml) claims Apple is indeed holding a product event on April 1st, but this has not been corroborated.

[celebrian23]

I can't wait to find out precisely what apple has under its sleeve! Would it be a complete replacement for the 60GB? Or supplement it?

[freeny]

AppleInsider is also on this story-
http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1609

[Over Achiever]

Bluetooth headphones ... they would be over the ear type not in ear correct? That would be different direction.

Wireless earbuds ... now that would be amazing.

[Whotheheck]

but... won't bluetooth headphones suck? I doubt the sound quality will be that good. :(

[dongmin]

So no Mac Books? :( All these rumors are pointing to some sort of handheld device: vpod, iphone, 'communication device'--take your pick. Common Steve, give your computers some love. Give us a killer new Mac Book. The current design is way too old (6,7 years?).

[celebrian23]

Are earbud blue tooth style possible?

[Stella]

A very expensive device then! No wonder the 60gigs will be the only ones replaced by this iPod, if the rumours are true.

[yankeefan24]

I can't wait to find out precisely what apple has under its sleeve! Would it be a complete replacement for the 60GB? Or supplement it?

The 60GB is "at risk", so it would probably replace it. But knowing apple, anything could happen.

wireless headphones and transfers would be great. Don't have to deal with headphone cords and wires everywhere when i travel.:)

[freeny]

A very expensive device then! No wonder the 60gigs will be the only ones replaced by this iPod, if the rumours are true.
Perhaps the blue tooth will be an add on device?
this would make it optional and cut the cost of the base pod.

[boncellis]

I read something similar about the upcoming possibility of bluetooth compliant iPods, but nothing as extensive as including wireless headphones. For me, the prospect of wireless over-the-ear headphones is not necessarily enticing, but I would appreciate the functionality for a wireless sync with iTunes.

PS--What's with all the newbies excited to post where they posted? Seems more classy to act like you've been there before.

[m-dogg]

So no Mac Books? :( All these rumors are pointing to some sort of handheld device: vpod, iphone, 'communication device'--take your pick. Common Steve, give your computers some love. Give us a killer new Mac Book. The current design is way too old (6,7 years?).

They can announce more than one product y'know...

[celebrian23]

If this does come to pass, I'm interested in its size.

[yankeefan24]

I read something similar about the upcoming possibility of bluetooth compliant iPods, but nothing as extensive as including wireless headphones. For me, the prospect of wireless over-the-ear headphones is not necessarily enticing, but I would appreciate the functionality for a wireless sync with iTunes.

PS--What's with all the newbies excited to post where they posted? Seems more classy to act like you've been there before.

Wireless sync with itunes is more important for me, but high quality headphones would be nice too:D

BTW, i ended up reporting those newbies. i HATE IT when they post like "first post" or "top 5" (<- when they are really number 6). I just HATE IT.

[jimN]

So large colour screen, hdd and bluetooth - with those specs the battery life would be appalling. As it stands the current video ipod only gives you just enough for a 2 hour film, you'd be lucky to get an episode of lost in before this one died.

[gregarious119]

With the exception of that little blurb about bluetooth headphones...that whole article was basically a recap of any MacRumor related to the iPod in the last few months...

Nothing new and exciting here...should be hearing about a Media event any day now.

[boncellis]

Wireless sync with itunes is more important for me, but high quality headphones would be nice too:D

BTW, i ended up reporting those newbies. i HATE IT when they post like "first post" or "top 5" (<- when they are really number 6). I just HATE IT.

You're the man.

One possibility that had occurred to me is a wireless remote-style device that streams the music from the iPod via Bluetooth to a smaller receiver you could wear around your neck and into which you could plug your earbuds. Sony had something like this with their CD players once upon a time, except that it used RF technology, if memory serves.

[philmo]

I'm not a big fan in general of things that I want to use all the time and also need to charge, but here are two thoughts:

1. If Apple is indeed moving towards integrating more magnets into their products it would be pretty cool if the new iPod could magnetically hold onto wireless earbuds so I don't lose them the first time I take them out.

2. Going beyong wireless sync with iTunes, it would be pretty sweet if they allowed the iPod to access the Internet through bluetooth, piggybacking on the connection of either a bluetooth-enabled phone or computer with internet sharing turned on. It could be used to purchase music from iTunes on the fly but it would be really nice with an embedded version of Safari.

[peharri]

Perhaps the blue tooth will be an add on device?
this would make it optional and cut the cost of the base pod.

Doubt it. Bluetooth's cheap, it adds cents to the price of a device to add Bluetooth. Anything expensive about this machine will be related to the rest of the spec.

[nemaslov]

Better be AT LEAST 80GB or even 100 GB. I for one don't care about the video thing but much more room for music is fine by me. It has been over a year since the 60GB iPods have been out . I still love by 60GB iPod photo. Never did graduate to the video version since there was never an increase in storage.

[monkeyandy]

It can't be long now until they announce whats going to happen. I think if their is going to be any new product announcements the event will be announced by the end of the week. Reading all these rumors i'm really quite excited. Hopefully we shall get some great new kit.

I don't like to speculate too much because i'm always let down when what i'm wishing for doesn't appear. New touch-screen vPod would be great and hopefully a nice core duo MacBook, with at least a low end 64mb GFX card (not integrated!).

Here's keeping my fingers crossed :D

[freeny]

BTW, i ended up reporting those newbies. i HATE IT when they post like "first post" or "top 5" (<- when they are really number 6). I just HATE IT.
Come on now! Leave the newbies alone! We were all newbies at one time and very excited about being part of this community. Try not to get pissed until they become a frequent offender. Then ream them a new one!;)

[p0intblank]

I honestly cannot see Apple including Bluetooth headphones with an iPod. Wouldn't this take a big hit on cost? And regarding Bluetooth headphones, I've read in several places that the sound quality wouldn't be that good... all I want is a widescreen iPod. Bluetooth would be an extra for me... just bring on the widescreen! :D

[sartinsauce]

Nothing new and exciting here...should be hearing about a Media event any day now.


Oddly enough, this story references a story from Macnn, but it neglects to mention the story on Macnn that suggests there will be no 30th anniversary event from Apple.

Still, it's nice to see something other than the iPhone rumor. I hope this week isn't going to be limited to more iPod AV and iPhone rumors. There has to be something real and juicy out there.

Maybe new content from ITMS coming soon?
Maybe higher res content from ITMS coming soon?
Maybe more Feature length content from ITMS coming soon?

[erik1975]

If the video iPod uses Bluetooth for audio, I wonder if this would allow for enough battery life to play a feature length film. I.E. Does anyone know the power draw of a bluetooth broadcast versus having headphones at 75% volume?

Just a thought . . .

[boncellis]

Come on now! Leave the newbies alone! We were all newbies at one time and very excited about being part of this community. Try not to get pissed until they become a frequent offender. Then ream them a new one!;)

It wouldn't be a big deal if an individual would actually add something to the thread, rather than simply clog it up by announcing to everyone how close to the top their post came.

Two things: first, I don't believe the 1.8" 100 GB HDD exists yet; and second, how will an added bluetooth radio effect the battery life? Adding bluetooth almost seems like a foregone conclusion because it would be so slick and doesn't cost much to integrate.

A larger point is whether Apple will respond to what appears to be a concerted effort from MS to cut into iPod sales with the Origami project. I don't really see the two as comparable at this point, but it seems like Origami is targeted at the iPod and will eventually improve (if not, it's stillborn).

[freeny]

This could all be total BS for all we know.

^^
Note to newbies;

There is no reward for being first, but you get a free tee shirt if you are the 27th poster!

[eclipse525]

Yup. CNN reported the same thing. Phasing out 60 gig iPod (http://money.cnn.com/2006/03/21/technology/apple_ipod/index.htm?cnn=yes)


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[thegreatunknown]

I've been waiting a long time for decent streaming music over bluetooth. the possiblities are huge. battery power is needed in the headphones... wonder how they will do that? I hope this expands to syncing over bluetooth and the ability to stream music and video over bluetooth from the computer to receivers/tv etc. taking over the overpriced airtunes.

[yankeefan24]

Come on now! Leave the newbies alone! We were all newbies at one time and very excited about being part of this community. Try not to get pissed until they become a frequent offender. Then ream them a new one!;)

sorry if i was unclear, but i was referring to newbies because they were the one's doing that in this thread. If you did that i would report you. If anyone did i would too. Just something i hate. I remember when i was a newbie. hated those days.;)

[mark_sloan]

I think the key to the iPod moving forward is to act more like a Pod... Just think of all of the add ons you can use with your iPod today... now imagine that there was Bluetooth in there... and now you have a way to add even MORE "extensions". It might still be cost prohibitive, but if they do make a touchscreen iPod then you have more of an extensible "mini" computer that can be a phone, a portable hard drive... etc.

We'll see...

[freeny]

sorry if i was unclear, but i was referring to newbies because they were the one's doing that in this thread. If you did that i would report you. If anyone did i would too. Just something i hate. I remember when i was a newbie. hated those days.;)
Too many virtual wedgies?:D

Sorry to be off the subject but,
Where in NYC are you yankeefan24?

[dmcgann]

All i want is an ipod with safari!!
Any chance??

[bigbossbmb]

bluetooth headphones don't really seem like a big deal...I think if bluetooth does get added, Apple will push it as a cool way to control frontrow. But #1 on the list of things needed for any new ipod is going to be battery life. if they just made the vpod/new ipod video a little thicker, they could increase the size of the battery or even just add a second one...they really aren't that big.

[freeny]

But #1 on the list of things needed for any new ipod is going to be battery life. if they just made the vpod/new ipod video a little thicker, they could increase the size of the battery or even just add a second one...they really aren't that big.
I wouldnt be surprised if they return to the same thickness as the original iPod. They have always kept the docks at the same size and included adapters with new generations.

Batteries have progressd quite a bit since the early pod days. A new battery in the old 1g housing could pack a good punch with video. at least a full length movie.

[bretm]

So no Mac Books? :( All these rumors are pointing to some sort of handheld device: vpod, iphone, 'communication device'--take your pick. Common Steve, give your computers some love. Give us a killer new Mac Book. The current design is way too old (6,7 years?).

If you're referring to the iBook, it's white plastic design is 5 years now.

[tk421]

but... won't bluetooth headphones suck? I doubt the sound quality will be that good. :(

And they'd need batteries...

[iMeowbot]

The Bluetooth thing seems off. Apple already went with infrared for their remote control choice, and even the latest stereo bluetooth headsets are big unwieldy beasts when compared with simple earbuds.

In any event, the oft-quoted Shaw Wu is far from infallible (widescreen iBook for August 2005 etc.).

[thejadedmonkey]

My prediction is a new form factor for the vPod. It will have a bluetooth radio, but it will NOT come with bluetooth headphones. This way, you will be able to sync wirelessly, other manufacturers can make BT headphones, apple doesn't have to lower the battery life, and it'll save them money while getting publicity for having BT in an iPod.

This won't be the end of it though. the screen will be a touch screen, so you can use the BT radio to surf the net on your iPod, control Front Row, etc. This is Apple's way of breaking into the tablet market!

think iPod design -> iMac design
vPod design -> iTablet design

P.S. If it is possible to surf the web on the vPod, couldn't apple in theory add a dashboard layer and we could all use dashboard with our vPods?

[JonnyMac]

That dude from AmTech that makes all these "analyses" and "predictions" gets all his stuff purely from rumor sites. Appleinsider had the story up on Friday and he releases this report yesterday. Give me a break. This is what he said for the last event..."Despite his predictions, Wu is sure to point out that Apple chief executive Steve Jobs could have some unanticipated surprises tucked up the sleeve of his black turtleneck and "may make an announcement that no one anticipated."

He was right...iPod leather cases.

[iHeartTheApple]

Wow! BT headphones/earbuds would be crazy! I don't even know what to think about that...Only time will tell, eh? :D

[celebrian23]

My prediction is a new form factor for the vPod. It will have a bluetooth radio, but it will NOT come with bluetooth headphones. This way, you will be able to sync wirelessly, other manufacturers can make BT headphones, apple doesn't have to lower the battery life, and it'll save them money while getting publicity for having BT in an iPod.

This won't be the end of it though. the screen will be a touch screen, so you can use the BT radio to surf the net on your iPod, control Front Row, etc. This is Apple's way of breaking into the tablet market!

think iPod design -> iMac design
vPod design -> iTablet design

P.S. If it is possible to surf the web on the vPod, couldn't apple in theory add a dashboard layer and we could all use dashboard with our vPods?


I think that's too radical. If you look at each generation of the ipod, none have had huge sweeping changes based on the model before them. A BT radio, internet access, front row, it just seems like too much. I think there'll be one wow factor, and everything else will only be slightly modified.

[Alasta]

My prediction is a new form factor for the vPod. It will have a bluetooth radio, but it will NOT come with bluetooth headphones. This way, you will be able to sync wirelessly, other manufacturers can make BT headphones, apple doesn't have to lower the battery life, and it'll save them money while getting publicity for having BT in an iPod.

I agree. I would love to have a pair of bluetooth headphones, but I would rather that Apple continue to bundle cheap and cheerful wired headphones with the iPod so that I can go out and choose my own bluetooth headphones rather than being forced to pay for whatever Apple chooses to bundle with the iPod. I can see this opening up a whole new segment of the accessories market, as various third party manufacturers scramble to get their own range of bluetooth headphones out there.

As it happens, a friend of mine runs a technology web site and has asked me to review a pair of bluetooth headphones which I will be going to pick up when I meet him for coffee this afternoon. I will be very interested to see how they perform, but most reviews that I've read suggest that the sound quality on bluetooth headphones is not nearly as good as wired headphones. Hopefully, Apple will implement EDR (extended data rate) technology when they add bluetooth functionality to the iPod, as this should resolve the sound quality issue.

[puckhead193]

The SNL skit of the iPod getting replaced every second its looking to be true. I just got my 5g in late december thinking it would be current from any major updates, but i guess not.

[thegreatunknown]

they have and probably will continue to update the ipod every 6 months. automobiles are updated once a year. computers are updated faster then we can get them out of the store. its just how things go.

[mox358]

I feel like the only person here who is less and less excited about this with each new story. The whole idea of a touch screen wheel baffled me, now bluetooth headphones ? What are they smoking in Cupertino? Anybody remember the 20th Anniversary Macintosh? A super stylish, futuristic looking Mac made for the 20th Anniversary of Apple. And it bombed because it was way too expensive for it's time.

I'm afraid that they have learned nothing. If they build this ultimate iPod and put everything and the kitchen sink into it battery life is going to be HORRIBLE. A widescreen color LCD, a 60 (or 80GB) HDD, and now a bluetooth module are going to suck the life out of an iPod battery. Plus add batteries for the headphones themselves and this just doesn't seem like a very Apple idea. Not to mention its going to cost a fortune. There is no way in hell Apple can build and sell this vPod for 399. Maybe not even 499.

I'm still leaning towards a 60GB 5G, which is the one I'll probably end up getting. And I'll definitely give Apple the chance to prove me wrong, but so far this vPod has the makings of a train-wreck to me.

* - These are just my thoughts, counterpoints are welcome, flames are not.

[celebrian23]

I'm excited to see what this product is, but I have no intention of buying it (80GB will be way too much space for me, I prefer a music with video capabilities to a video with music capabilities ipod, I could buy a refurb. mini mac for the price this would probably cost, etc). But it's still exciting. Though I'd be disappointed if it was touchscreen.

[yankeefan24]

Sorry to be off the subject but,
Where in NYC are you yankeefan24?

why do you want to know? is manhattan good enough for you? or do you want more?

to keep this thread near topic:

All i want is an ipod with safari!!
Any chance??

doubt it. but possible later. probably not this model though.

[ZorPrime]

All i want is an ipod with safari!!
Any chance??

I like your idea. I also think Apple shouldn't waste time with bluetooth but should integrate WiFi, as it would allow access to ITMS (M for Movie Store) :) from anywhere at anytime, receive airport/express streams, and with safari it would definitely put to shame the lame browser Sony's PSP has. :cool:

[thegreatunknown]

I'm afraid that they have learned nothing. If they build this ultimate iPod and put everything and the kitchen sink into it battery life is going to be HORRIBLE. A widescreen color LCD, a 60 (or 80GB) HDD, and now a bluetooth module are going to suck the life out of an iPod battery. Plus add batteries for the headphones themselves and this just doesn't seem like a very Apple idea. Not to mention its going to cost a fortune. There is no way in hell Apple can build and sell this vPod for 399. Maybe not even 499.


I have no idea about the price but I can assure you they won't announce a movie playing product that has a battery life less than the average length of a movie. so I'm guessing 4-6 hours? I wouldn't need anything longer. to me though bluetooth adds wild new possibilities if the clarity is developed. screw the iTrip and screw the USB sync. bluetooth connections with multiple headphones, stereo receiver, computer, car stereo... all at once even! technology does exist where you can contol sending multiple songs to different receivers at once. that would be really cool. maybe thats more of a function for the new mac mini though.

[Twenty1]

Perhaps this was already said, but a full screen iPod would remind me a lot of the existing m:robe by Olympus (http://www.olympusamerica.com/cpg_section/cpg_product_robe.asp?l=1&p=&bc=&product=1146).

I guess this is already your all-in-one player - music, photos, built in camera, etc;. I don't think it does video...

I do remember one reviewer who said they didn't like it mainly because the screen became too dirty due to finger prints. He was consistantly having to clean the screen because the prints were driving him nuts.

[Craigy]

Mmmmm... Me thinks the only reason to put Bluetooth in the new beast is because it's a phone also! :eek:

[revjay]

With the exception of that little blurb about bluetooth headphones...that whole article was basically a recap of any MacRumor related to the iPod in the last few months...

Nothing new and exciting here...should be hearing about a Media event any day now.

I think you are wrong...the addition of bluetooth would be "huge!"
Think of all the spin off products that would be possible...someone has mentioned Safari...it would certainly help me to keep my ical up to date in an easier fashion.

[revjay]

Better be AT LEAST 80GB or even 100 GB. I for one don't care about the video thing but much more room for music is fine by me. It has been over a year since the 60GB iPods have been out . I still love by 60GB iPod photo. Never did graduate to the video version since there was never an increase in storage.

Are 100GB 1.8" HD's even available? I don't think they are...

[MacMosher]

So no Mac Books? :( All these rumors are pointing to some sort of handheld device: vpod, iphone, 'communication device'--take your pick. Common Steve, give your computers some love. Give us a killer new Mac Book. The current design is way too old (6,7 years?).
There not denying any claim that there will be a MacBook(I would prefer if we stuck with iBook however). Im almost positive you will not see a phone at this event, I would expect that some time in the fall.

However do not be suprised to see a Vpod. If I had to make a prediction I would say that they will come with both of them, ibook at vpod... hopefully the ibook is a new design like speculations are saying.

Mark

[mox358]

With all this talk of Front Row, Safari, Wi-Fi and Bluetooth being built in-to the iPod I can't help but think KISS - Keep It Simple Stupid!!!

Isn't it the simplicity of the iPod that gave it the widespread success it has today? The fact anybody could just pick it up and use it ? I'm just being paranoid today I guess but this article really makes me worry about Apple over complicating the iPod.

And bluetooth is way too slow for syncing music... for calendars, contacts and the like maybe... but for music you wouldn't WANT to sync your music via bluetooth. And if they *do* go that route (shudders...) you still have to plug it in to charge it (and probably more frequently than before) and you might as well just sync then and take advantage of the faster speed.

Again, maybe I'm just paranoid and being cynical today but I see a lot of holes in some of these rumors.

I guess my closing question for everyone is do we really think the iPod needs to add things like this to stay competitive ?

[MacMosher]

Perhaps this was already said, but a full screen iPod would remind me a lot of the existing m:robe by Olympus (http://www.olympusamerica.com/cpg_section/cpg_product_robe.asp?l=1&p=&bc=&product=1146).

I guess this is already your all-in-one player - music, photos, built in camera, etc;. I don't think it does video...

I do remember one reviewer who said they didn't like it mainly because the screen became too dirty due to finger prints. He was consistantly having to clean the screen because the prints were driving him nuts.
Yeah I can imagine that... it would suck I would think. Whats the point of having a video playing if you cant see it?

Aswell I think the blue tooth earphones would be a great idea... but not earbud... like are you guys crazy do you think they can pick up a signal... and you wuld lose them so so easily.

Mark

[ScottB]

Wireless sync with itunes is more important for me, but high quality headphones would be nice too
Yeah, that would be cool. I would love to walk into a room and have my iCal items automatically synced to my pocket. While bluetooth headphones would be useful lots of the time, I'm more concerned about sound quality and probably wouldn't use them alot if they didn't match the quality of the current headphones.

[ksz]

but... won't bluetooth headphones suck? I doubt the sound quality will be that good. :(
Not necessarily, if it has enough bandwidth to send the (compressed) digital bitstream to the headphone in real-time. The DAC could be built into the headphone, so you get digital-to-analog conversion done right behind the ear. The Airport Express works in the same way. You send the digital bitstream over to the AE, and D-to-A is performed at the location of the speakers.

Bluetooth on the iPod will also make it wirelessly compatible with car stereo systems (well, with some firmware modifications). I'm waiting for a BT-based iPod that will work with my BMW's iDrive...I know, I may be waiting a looong time, but "seamless integration" of iPod to car means only 1 thing to me: wireless.

[bigandy]

but... won't bluetooth headphones suck? I doubt the sound quality will be that good. :(


i have the "wrap around back of head" style over ear ones. they're BlueTooth. the quality is as good as a £30 ($60) pair of headphones, and the battery life is a good 10 hours. they cost me £40 ($80) including postage. from tiwan.

don't worry about quality or battery life. really, don't.

;) :rolleyes: :D

[morespce54]

For me, the prospect of wireless over-the-ear headphones is not necessarily enticing


A stupid questions: since there is so many people with iPod these days, wouldn't there be a chance that bluetooth headphones get mix up at some point? :confused:

[hyperpasta]

This is getting overboard now.

COMBO APPLEiPHONEVIDEOiPODWITHBLUETOOTHANDWIMAX!!!!1!!ONE!! 1080PMOVIEDOWNLOADSFOR$2!!!!

Seriosuly. If Apple sells a 60GB iPod with a 2.5 inch screen for $400, how much do you think a 4-inch touch screened once with Bluetooth would cost? It just doesn't "fit" right.

People need to calm down and expect Apple to deliver something awesome, but rational and not ridiculous. One of the key things I've learned in my rumor-watching is that Apple prefers to take baby steps over huge, mind-blowing awesome ones.

[daysleeper]

Would the bluetooth headphones be rechargable? Maybe there would be a plug-in for them on the ipod that would allow them to charge as the ipod charges... this would double as a way to store them when not in use.

[revjay]

This is getting overboard now.

COMBO APPLEiPHONEVIDEOiPODWITHBLUETOOTHANDWIMAX!!!!1!!ONE!! 1080PMOVIEDOWNLOADSFOR$2!!!!...
Don't forget it has "Pong".

[thegreatunknown]

This is getting overboard now.

COMBO APPLEiPHONEVIDEOiPODWITHBLUETOOTHANDWIMAX!!!!1!!ONE!! 1080PMOVIEDOWNLOADSFOR$2!!!!

Seriosuly. If Apple sells a 60GB iPod with a 2.5 inch screen for $400, how much do you think a 4-inch touch screened once with Bluetooth would cost? It just doesn't "fit" right.

People need to calm down and expect Apple to deliver something awesome, but rational and not ridiculous. One of the key things I've learned in my rumor-watching is that Apple prefers to take baby steps over huge, mind-blowing awesome ones.

I respect your comments because I believe some of these ideas are getting out of control. however, bluetooth is in all (minus the ipod) of apple's hardware and I expected it a long time ago in the ipod. bluetooth transmitters wouldn't add much to the price but the technology has been lacking (meaning speed and transmission clarity) until just lately.

[boncellis]

A stupid questions: since there is so many people with iPod these days, wouldn't there be a chance that bluetooth headphones get mix up at some point? :confused:

Not a stupid question at all. I doubt there would be such a problem. If you think about it in terms of bluetooth mice and keyboards, there aren't any interference problems because of the proprietary key that passes between the devices that limits outside (or interfering) communication.

[freeny]

why do you want to know? is manhattan good enough for you? or do you want more?
MORE!

I live in Grammercy Park and work on 39th and 3rd. Just being friendly:o

BTW, This all seems like a big iPod 4/1 JOKE!

[hokka]

...then it's another thing that Steve said no to previously, just like the iPod w/video

http://hardware.silicon.com/storage/0,39024649,39152441,00.htm

"Jobs said: "The problem with Bluetooth headphones is that it's not just recharging your iPod, you have to recharge your headphones too. People hate it. There are quality issues - the bandwidth isn't high enough, and even if it does get there some day, people don't want to recharge their headphones."

[AlanAudio]

I think that KSZ is thinking along the right lines.

BlueTooth headphones seem like a lot of trouble to replace a wired earbud. Although technically possible, there are practical drawbacks.

Connecting to a car stereo is a much more important task. Steve Jobs did mention some time ago that there were exciting developments to come with in-car-audio. This could be just the way to do that. Manufacturers of car radios already include BlueTooth for integration with cellphones and navigation systems. They could also allow the car stereo controls and steering wheel controls to operate the iPod and show track data on the display.

In the US, many people connect to car stereos via tiny FM transmitters, but they are illegal in some countries and impractical in many more. A well thought-out BlueTooth solution could be universally deployed globally and establish a new standard. FM permits only one way transmission, BlueTooth allows interchange in either direction.

Just out of interest, if an iPod were to have BlueTooth, wouldn't it be likely that the iPod HiFi might also have BlueTooth to allow wireless playback ? Has anybody taken one to bits to see what's inside ? A BlueTooth receiver needn't be visible from the outside and could already be lurking inside, waiting to be enabled.

[freeny]

And now this from AppleInsider-
http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1611

Analyst predicts new Macs will arrive without media event

By AppleInsider Staff
Published: 03:00 PM EST

Going against the grain, analysts for UBS Investment Research on Tuesday issued a very brief research note, suggesting new Mac products in the June quarter, but predicting Apple is not likely to hold a special media event to do so.

The reliability of the analyst's predictions are currently unknown.

"We continue to believe that Apple will introduce new Intel-based iBooks (important for education) and a larger MacBook Pro in the June quarter," analyst Ben Reitzes wrote. "We forecast Mac units to improve in fiscal third quarter (June) to -1 percent year-over-year from -9 percent year-over-year in fiscal second quarter."

Additionally, the analyst wrote, "We still believe that a new video iPod, download service and new iPods are coming this year by the fall."

Shares of Apple fell over 3 percent (or $2.07) in later afternoon trading to $61.92 as investors reacted to the UBS research note.

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If Apple is leaking this stuff as another poster believed in another thread, its not doing their stocks all that good.:confused:

[kugino]

if BT is indeed in the next ipod (and i highly doubt it is), i hope it's an extra and not standard.

i don't know if a new video ipod is indeed planned for the next couple weeks...but if apple had a mini-event for the mini, ipod HF, and leather cases, they surely would have one for a new ipod...wouldn't they? :confused:

[mox358]

This is getting overboard now.

COMBO APPLEiPHONEVIDEOiPODWITHBLUETOOTHANDWIMAX!!!!1!!ONE!! 1080PMOVIEDOWNLOADSFOR$2!!!!

Seriosuly. If Apple sells a 60GB iPod with a 2.5 inch screen for $400, how much do you think a 4-inch touch screened once with Bluetooth would cost? It just doesn't "fit" right.

People need to calm down and expect Apple to deliver something awesome, but rational and not ridiculous. One of the key things I've learned in my rumor-watching is that Apple prefers to take baby steps over huge, mind-blowing awesome ones.

There. I posted like three long winded posts and you summarized what I was trying to say right there. Thanks!

I agree that Bluetooth as a technology is not a bad idea... but what purpose does it serve in the iPod besides just "being there"? If you don't want to have to charge your headphones and you don't want to sync your music over BT what will putting it in the iPod do ? I highly doubt the auto-syncing of Calendars and Contacts (which is already a tacked-on feature of the iPod) is going to get another feature tacked on to it (especially one which would make it more expensive to produce therefore cutting into Apple's margins).

I guess I just don't get it.

[ksz]

...then it's another thing that Steve said no to previously, just like the iPod w/video

http://hardware.silicon.com/storage/0,39024649,39152441,00.htm

"Jobs said: "The problem with Bluetooth headphones is that it's not just recharging your iPod, you have to recharge your headphones too. People hate it. There are quality issues - the bandwidth isn't high enough, and even if it does get there some day, people don't want to recharge their headphones."
I already charge my Motorola Bluetooth headphone (for cell phones) regularly. Fortunately, it's extremely light and yet has a battery that provides many hours (haven't counted the hours) of operation.

Jobs has said several things that seemed to be just cursory statements. According to a statement from Jobs (feel free to search for it), he believes that a video-based iPod is a BAD idea.

If I'm carrying an iPod in my pocket and wearing a Bluetooth headphone without any wires protruding from my clothes to my face, of course I would be willing to charge up my headphone if that's the only drawback...

[Swatchman]

ONCE AGAIN I'LL STEP IN....


iPods will not in any shape or form contain Bluetooth technology. It is an expensive alternative to costs compared to wired headphones, these rumor sites are HURTING the marketing efforts and promoting uneeded ideology for the consumer.

Although Bluetooth is a fabulous technology, it is charging two devices and most importantly providing SERVICE (not cost efficient) to a faulty Bluetooth unit, that is the main reasons for no further group discussions.

There is NO Apple events taking place in April. The new MacBook (smaller,lighter,thinner) will debut in spring but the Mobile Me event will not cover it unless that changes.

Signed,
Somebody who knows
(aka Swatchman)

[Sunrunner]

I agree. I would love to have a pair of bluetooth headphones, but I would rather that Apple continue to bundle cheap and cheerful wired headphones with the iPod so that I can go out and choose my own bluetooth headphones rather than being forced to pay for whatever Apple chooses to bundle with the iPod. I can see this opening up a whole new segment of the accessories market, as various third party manufacturers scramble to get their own range of bluetooth headphones out there.

As it happens, a friend of mine runs a technology web site and has asked me to review a pair of bluetooth headphones which I will be going to pick up when I meet him for coffee this afternoon. I will be very interested to see how they perform, but most reviews that I've read suggest that the sound quality on bluetooth headphones is not nearly as good as wired headphones. Hopefully, Apple will implement EDR (extended data rate) technology when they add bluetooth functionality to the iPod, as this should resolve the sound quality issue.

Apple already uses EDR Bluetooth in all of their computer lines, so surmising that they would integrate this capability into a BT-capable iPod is not too much of a stretch. While the data rates involved in BT trtansmission does not really lend itself to relatively high-bandwidth uses like safari or iTMS, an extention of the iPod sync capability would be likely, with possible mail synching as well. It is important to note that while BT transmission would not greatly impact battery life, the activity of writing data to the drive would. Thus, expect any such computer-iPod connectivity to be somewhat regulated.

As other posters have suggested, I do not expect that Apple would bundle their iPods with a BT headphone set. Instead, they will likely come with the usual wired headphones but Apple will offer BT headphones as an accessory (much like they already do with the premium in-ear buds).

The most likely vessel for this BT funtionality would by the rumored vPod, which would lend itself to some of these capabilities (such as mail-synching) due to its increased screen real-estate. On the downside, one can extrapolate that a iPod sized screen would cut device battery life roughly in half when compared to a conventional-screen model. For both this reason and for reasons of cost, expect drive capacity to remain stagnate for the short term.

;)

[peharri]

There. I posted like three long winded posts and you summarized what I was trying to say right there. Thanks!

I agree that Bluetooth as a technology is not a bad idea... but what purpose does it serve in the iPod besides just "being there"? If you don't want to have to charge your headphones and you don't want to sync your music over BT what will putting it in the iPod do ? I highly doubt the auto-syncing of Calendars and Contacts (which is already a tacked-on feature of the iPod) is going to get another feature tacked on to it (especially one which would make it more expensive to produce therefore cutting into Apple's margins).

I guess I just don't get it.

Ahem. I think you do get it, you just don't see it as useful for you, which is fine, but, it's cheap, the fact you don't want it doesn't mean you're harmed by its inclusion. As you said: if you don't mind charging your headphones, then you benefit from wireless headphones. You can sync your music over BT, and auto-sync calendars and contacts (which would actually be useful. I, personally, dislike the whole formality of "I must plug in my iPod into my computer to get it up to date": in practice, I don't do it precisely because it's a PITA.

There are other long term advantages. Imagine if the speaker system in your car can automatically detect your iPod and interface with it. Right now, that's just not practical, the best anyone can come up with are those awful cellphone holder things adapted for iPods and the occasional 3.5mm input jack. Now, suppose you don't have to take the iPod out of your pocket, you can select the tracks from the car entertainment unit's console.

The real mystery is why the iPod didn't have BT in it years ago.

[peharri]

iPods will not in any shape or form contain Bluetooth technology. It is an expensive alternative to costs compared to wired headphones,

That's complete rubbish. It isn't an alternative to wired headphones, it's a radio standard. Bluetooth headphones are an "expensive" alternative to wired headphones, but that's an entirely different issue. If you're suggesting they're rejecting Bluetooth outright ("in any shape or form") because BT headphones are "expensive", then that's amazing short sightedness on Apple's part.

these rumor sites are HURTING the marketing efforts and promoting uneeded ideology for the consumer.

Whether rumour sites are "hurting" the marketing efforts is open to question, what's undoubtedly true is that speculation about Bluetooth support in iPods is completely irrelevent to issues of "ideology".

Although Bluetooth is a fabulous technology, it is charging two devices and most importantly providing SERVICE (not cost efficient) to a faulty Bluetooth unit, that is the main reasons for no further group discussions.

Bluetooth is an integrated technology, generally incorporated into the same chipset as the rest of the system. It's highly unlikely it would need a seperate battery (and hence "charging two devices".) And providing service to the additional 50c worth of silicon involved isn't going to make a massive difference in cost to Apple.

There is NO Apple events taking place in April. The new MacBook (smaller,lighter,thinner) will debut in spring but the Mobile Me event will not cover it unless that changes.

Fascinating. I'm going to put as much stock into this as I do into the rumours that something's planned for April 1st.

[mox358]

Imagine if the speaker system in your car can automatically detect your iPod and interface with it. Right now, that's just not practical, the best anyone can come up with are those awful cellphone holder things adapted for iPods and the occasional 3.5mm input jack.

I really didn't get it until I read your post. But I can definitely see it as a welcome replacement for FM transmitters. That would be a big win in my book.

I still can't imagine them replacing the wired headphones with bluetooth out of the box though. For people who don't mind charging up their headphones as well as their iPod a bluetooth headphone option would be fine, but I can't imagine Joe Sixpack wanting to have something else to charge.

I think your car/streaming idea is the "killer app" for putting BT in the iPod. As far as wireless headphones/syncing I see where you're coming from, but I still think it'll be a minority group to use that functionality... but if we're putting BT on the thing it should at least be an *option* for those who want it. Just do wired out of the box though.

[dlpmaster]

Sorry if this was mentioned before but did anyone think of this:

Ok, lets say that the Bluetooth in iPod Widescreen is real..
So..

Since Our new Line of Mac have FrontRow in them, and allowing ipods to connect through Bluetooth... Maybe we can stream on other computers.. Movies (adding that feature to iTunes), Music Videos, and of course our Music... all through bluetooth and FrontRow.. :P
(though I think that feature is only for WiFi prodcuts) But hey could happen couldn't it.. at this point everyone is getting their ideas out hopping we get the right answer to this one..
So far as to the April 1st event.. I really hope this happens.. but yeah its a bit weird to have an even on a sunday.. so maybe Tuesday!?

[sam10685]

but... won't bluetooth headphones suck? I doubt the sound quality will be that good. :(

never doubt Apple... ;)

[TrenchcoatJedi]

My prediction is a new form factor for the vPod. It will have a bluetooth radio, but it will NOT come with bluetooth headphones. This way, you will be able to sync wirelessly, other manufacturers can make BT headphones, apple doesn't have to lower the battery life, and it'll save them money while getting publicity for having BT in an iPod.

Bluetooth might be used to sync contacts, calendars, low-res pictures and notes. BT transfer speeds are so slow that synching music, videos and high-res pictures would be slower than USB 1.0, take hours and probably drain the iPod battery long before an entire library can be synched. Maybe we'll get iTunes synching over BT when the tentative 4.0 spec codenamed Seattle is released and BT can run over UWB. This would be AT LEAST 2 years from now though.

[Atlasland]

If the video iPod uses Bluetooth for audio, I wonder if this would allow for enough battery life to play a feature length film. I.E. Does anyone know the power draw of a bluetooth broadcast versus having headphones at 75% volume?

Just a thought . . .

Excellent point.

Bluetooth headphones would mean that the power draw on the main unit would be lower, leaving more power for a larger display.

I'm still skeptical that they could design cool & comfortable bluetooth headphones though.

[dnedved]

I've been waiting for bluetooth on the iPod for about 2 years now. Headphone cords are the bane of my iPod experience right now for sure... they're constantly getting snagged. The ultimate in retro-cool would be little chrome canisters that look like the earphone Lt Uhura was using 30+ years ago on Star Trek!

The one key idea that BT would add (that I haven't seen anyone else mention so far) is the idea of a BT remote control for the ipod. I want one built as a wrist-watch, with a small LCD display on it that shows which track is playing. I wouldn't care if the iPod had any screen at all on it then, it would stay in my pocket and I'd use the wrist-watch BT remote as the entire interface. Anyone who rides a bicycle can attest to how handy that would be! As bad as headphone cords are in general, the wired remote is absolutely impossible to use without huge loops of cable hanging everywhere to get snagged.

As far as charging, having an iPod, 2 headphones, and a remote would be a major pain to plug everything in. What I want is a universal charging tray... something you can just drop all the pieces in and they all charge electro-magnetically. I don't know the exact mechanism, but my electric toothbrush charges that way, so why can't my iPod?

Large wide-screen video would be cool and all, and so would pushing the envelope of what the iPod can do (don't get me started on how I want the iPod to integrate with a Mac tablet as its hard drive) but BT is my number one feature hope right now, and probably the only thing that would get an intant purchase from me (currently 60gb 4th gen, my third iPod).

[Chupa Chupa]

I'm not sure I'm buying the whole BT rumor. It's not that I wouldn't like it in theory, it's just that in reality it doesn't make much sense based on current BT specs and the hardware needed.

1. BT is slower than USB when it comes to syncing. So using BT as a wireless sync isn't really practical when you are talking about 60GBs of data.

2. BT stereo, while it exists, is really in an "early adopter" stage. Plus who wants to worry about having battery powered headphone. Most people have enough trouble keeping their BT headset charged up.

3. Putting BT in an iPod would make it a bit thicker and take a hit on battery power. I think most consumers would rather have slimer, lighter, and great battery life.

At this point BT in an iPod just seems like a gimmick, one that I don't think Apple will drop in, just to drop in. Maybe if they come out with a phone, but I think an iPhone will be a separate product, not something that will replace the 60GB iPod. That is what we are talking about right...what will replace the "at risk" 60GB iPod.

[Chacala_Nayarit]

I will stay with the refurb 4th gen 20GB for 170.00. :)

[Seasought]

It'd be great if it featured Bluetooth syncing as well. One less cable in the mix.

[tolly]

Ok, so of this thing isn't coming out on April 1st or whateva, then when??
a week after or what?? please enlighten (SP) me..

[MacMorgan53]

What about the prospects for implementing a wireless USB2.0 capability that appears to be nearing release in the marketplace? Will this not be a useful technology for many Apple product users? In addition, what about the apparent controversy betwen the so-called 'certified wireless USB' backed by the Intel/USB Implementers Forum folks versus the Freescale.Icron-backed 'cable-free USB' approach? I am wondering where Apple users sit in relation to this situation? The way I understand it, anyone who wants to buy products based on the imminent 'certified wireless USB' platform WILL REQUIRE the Microsoft VISTA OS and only those products backed by the Intel-controlled USB-IF standard as it appears to be evolving?

[Sunrunner]

What about the prospects for implementing a wireless USB2.0 capability that appears to be nearing release in the marketplace? Will this not be a useful technology for many Apple product users? In addition, what about the apparent controversy betwen the so-called 'certified wireless USB' backed by the Intel/USB Implementers Forum folks versus the Freescale.Icron-backed 'cable-free USB' approach? I am wondering where Apple users sit in relation to this situation? The way I understand it, anyone who wants to buy products based on the imminent 'certified wireless USB' platform WILL REQUIRE the Microsoft VISTA OS and only those products backed by the Intel-controlled USB-IF standard as it appears to be evolving?

Any proposed peripheral hardware/networking standard that is fused to a specific OS is stillborn. Period.

[Bahama321]

So does that mean if the iPod is going to have Bluetooth earphones, could you load songs on to the iPod wirelessly from your Mac? Now that would be sweet.

-Bahama321

[kretzy]

I think the important question is if bluetooth will be available in different colours. :D

[billyboy]

Anyone who rides a bicycle can attest to how handy that would be! As bad as headphone cords are in general, the wired remote is absolutely impossible to use without huge loops of cable hanging everywhere to get snagged.



I would attest to the idea that if you listen to an iPod on a bike you should get a bluetooth alarm direct to ER because that is where you will eventually end up listening to music with no idea of what vehicles are behind you on your bike.:rolleyes: