Nintendo's Fake-olution? [Archive]

illegalprelude

Mar 25, 2006, 03:31 PM

Recently, Nintendo president Satoru Iwata had an interview with BBC News Online. You can see the article here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3743015.stm)
. His ridiculous stupidity is the cause for this editorial. In the words of Popeye, the sailor man, "that’s all I can stands, I can’t stands no more."

For starters, who does the president of Nintendo think he is to make comments regarding the current market or what is going to happen to it? This isn’t one of the leading companies in the console market. This is one of the distant, distant companies in the current console war, with absolutely no hope of catching up. This is the company who used to own the #1 spot with an iron fist, strike fear into other companies. Let’s be honest here, Nintendo is a shadow of its former self. For their president to comment on the industry like he is Miss Cleo, is like Vince McMahon commenting on what it takes to be successful in the professional football business. It’s like getting marriage advice from Tom Arnold. You are to take everything with a grain of salt. But wow, these comments are just beyond inane. Former president Yamauchi Hiroshi said some stupid things in his time but Iwata’s comments just take the cake and prove Nintendo is just too far behind the times. Let us discuss some of Iwatas stupidity.

He said unless things changed people "would get tired of games".

Yea, because we all know Nintendo is about complete change. I mean, one look at the "newest" Pokemon or Mario Party 542 can tell you that. Apparently it is ok for Nintendo to re-use the same franchises for 20 years but everyone else must innovate or die. Gaming has grown through each generation. Was there a significant difference in gaming besides graphics in the 8 to 16 bit leap? 16 to 32? 32 to 64? 64 to present? No. Oh wait... YES, there was. Sony used a CD medium in the PSone and Nintendo refused to adapt. The PSone could also be used to play CD’s, the Nintendo 64 could only play games. PSone games were $40-50 new, Nintendo 64 games were $60-70 new. Sony won. In the leap from 64 to the present, online gaming has become a big part of the industry. Which two companies utilize this feature? Sony and Microsoft. Which two companies are currently leading the US market? I’ll give you a hint: one of them isn’t Nintendo. Just like they did with the cartidge format, Nintendo dropped the ball with the GCN. Only this time they made two crucial errors. The first was neglecting online play completely. Oh no my bad, they didn’t neglect it completely. I mean, after all, they did make broadband and 56k modems for the GCN. Too bad they’ve yet to include a use for them in a single one of their games. The other area where Nintendo failed was multimedia. While Sony and Microsoft were expanding to components of the home console including the DVD players and hard drives and what not, Nintendo opted for simplicity. Great move!

"Some of the people in the industry still believe we can simply beef up the current technology in order to provide a constant supply of games to people. We don’t agree with that."

Apparently he hasn’t been involved in gaming since... oh... the ****ing day it was created. What is even funnier about this is that he goes on to hype up the DS based on what? Two technical features, touch screen and voice recognition. Neither of which are really innovative anyway. Hell, Seaman on the Dreamcast revolved around voice recognition. But this is Nintendo we are talking about. Wind Waker had innovative graphics, even though it was only the hundreth game of this generation to use cel-shaded graphics. Animal Crossing was innovative, because apparently no one had ever seen or played Harvest Moon before. Metroid Prime was the worlds first FPA, because apparently games like Half-Life and Deus-Ex do not exist. The point? When Nintendo does something, they sell it as new and innovative and they have enough of a blind army that it is eaten up and believed. What else could explain the fact that Nintendo fanboys constantly bitch about PS2 having too many sequels, and then they go back to playing Mario, Metroid and Zelda, three franchises I played back in the 1980’s?

"Nintendo wants to bring gamers and games back to the start line of 20 years ago," he said.

"In order to do this, touch panel and voice input systems will have big possibilities."

How could anyone possibly think touch panels and voice recognition are going to wow gamers? It isn’t new. PS2 owners use voice recognition in many games, and so do XBox owners. Touch screen elements? Been on PC’s, laptops and other things for awhile now. This is no different than Nintendos fad with connectivity. Just something else they are going too far on a limb with. Does dual screens, touch panels and voice recognition sound cool on a handheld? Yes. But how is that high-tech crap any different than the movies/music and all the other features of the PSP that Nintendo always plays down? One might affect gameplay while the others don’t but Nintendo still fails to grasp the fact that the industry has moved on since the SNES days. That’s why the XBox and PS2 launched able to play CD’s and DVD’s and on the XBox, a HDD and the ability to burn music to use in games. And here is the big one.

Mr Iwata said he feared current games with their emphasis on complexity, realism and sophisticated control systems were alienating many potential gamers.

Right. This, ladies and gentleman, is why Nintendo is doomed to continue to slip further and further down the totem pole they created, and will eventually go the way of Sega. Forget that the gamers average age is now somewhere around 22 or 23. Forget the fact that since Nintendo lost their #1 position, the industry has strived and expanded to boundaries people could only dream about in the Nintendo-dominated 80’s. Forget the fact that so far the top 5 selling games on the 3 home consoles are all complex, realistic games with sophisticated control schemes.

Lets recap. Nintendo ran things their way until the early 90’s, and then the industry changed. Business boomed, millions and millions of gamers who would otherwise never of been seen playing games are now all over them. Hell, celebrities are at parties gaming on PS2’s and XBox consoles. The industry has grown immensely under someone elses watch, and now this jackass chimes in saying that the very types of games that have made this excellent change take place, are alienating many gamers from playing games? Brilliant. So, then, Einstein, how would that explain Nintendos slip from #1? Everyone knows Nintendo thrives on simple, challenge-free games that anyone can pick up and play. I would think that goes squarely against complexity, realism and sophisticated controls. Oh wait, that is right, this is Nintendo we are talking about. They are above all logic.

The main point is, Nintendo continues to come up with stupid move after stupid move, backed up by retard reasoning and more retard reasoning. Meanwhile Sony’s userbase has suprisingly improved over PSone’s, and Microsoft is starting to gain momentum. If not many gamers give a rats ass about Nintendos games right now, what makes this jackass think they will start to sell games if they "take gaming back to the starting line"? As cocky as Nintendo is, they are likely forgetting that the "starting line" of gaming wasn’t even the NES. Anyone want to go back to an era of gaming that resembles the Atari era? No ****ing way. I like my games fine the way they are now, regardless of what tripe Nintendo tries to come up with, telling me what I want and how I want it. Obviously I am not in the minority either, because gaming is still just getting more and more popular, while Nintendo continues on that downward spiral. Maybe they are just bitter. Whatever their problem is, I am now convinced to the fullest that they have no idea what the solution is. The GBA I purchased last year is likely the last Nintendo console I will ever own, and I am suprisingly not saddened

Eidorian

Mar 25, 2006, 03:38 PM

That article is from May 2004. :confused:

Dagless

Mar 25, 2006, 03:58 PM

Holy fanboy post!

The GBA family as a whole dominate global sales figures. So before you go on about Nintendo being a distant, distant player in the market, think again. Handheld or console. In the games world; they are equal to Sony, and much ahead of Microsoft. (combining PS2+PSP sales for Sony, GBA+DS for Nintendo and Xbox 1+360 for MS).

I think I'll read more once my fanboy tolerance level changes.

ChrisBrightwell

Mar 25, 2006, 04:11 PM

In the games world; they are equal to Sony, and much ahead of Microsoft. (combining PS2+PSP sales for Sony, GBA+DS for Nintendo and Xbox 1+360 for MS).Start comparing per-unit profit numbers and you'll see that Nintendo also makes more money, per unit, either of the other companies.

The orignal Xbox *never* got out of the red, but that's OK. Microsoft can afford to burn billions of dollars for the opportunity to have a box hooked up to your TV and your LAN. The same goes for Sony, who makes tons of money everywhere else.

But Nintendo? They only do one thing, and that's video games. They may not appeal to the OP, marketing-wise, but they know how to turn a profit on hardware and software. They can't afford to have one or two generations of platforms flop too badly or they'll sink.

Sega would still be around as a hardware company if they hadn't rushed the Dreamcast into a market that just wasn't ready for it with games that were too easily pirated. After the Saturn, I think Sega could've waited another year w/ the Dreamcast and had much more success in the end.

MacRumorUser

Mar 25, 2006, 04:15 PM

Holy fanboy post!

LOL!!! Holy ill-informed Fanboy post at that.... Seriously though 'illegalprejudice' a more app title I think :rolleyes:

"For starters, who does the president of Nintendo think he is to make comments regarding the current market or what is going to happen to it?"

And you are? If your entitled to your opinion then the president of Nintendo is entitled to his. And trust me, I think his opinions probably hold more validty through experience than yours....

Also originality is questionable. Apple wasn't the first mp3 maker with the ipod, but they did change the way we use them by creating easily accessable software and content delivery in an attractive package.

Nintendo could do the same. They may not be the First to offer touch screen (with the DS) or interactive controllers etc... But if they can harness the hardware and devise software that makes it seemingly indespensable (like itunes & ipod) then they may change the way we look at 'novelty' controllers etc...

Dagless

Mar 25, 2006, 04:44 PM

This is going to be huge. Ho hum.
Recently, Nintendo president Satoru Iwata had an interview with BBC News Online. You can see the article here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3743015.stm)
. His ridiculous stupidity is the cause for this editorial. In the words of Popeye, the sailor man, "that’s all I can stands, I can’t stands no more."

For starters, who does the president of Nintendo think he is to make comments regarding the current market or what is going to happen to it? [Oh, I don't know. how about being in the console market since the early 80's and having an epic impact in the gaming world? oh and of course they have the phenonimal DS under their belt. Course they bloody know what's going on, as if Developer response to the Rev isn't evident enough] This isn’t one of the leading companies in the console market. This is one of the distant, distant companies in the current console war, with absolutely no hope of catching up. This is the company who used to own the #1 spot with an iron fist, strike fear into other companies. [Careful, they made a game with puppies. They have no evil bones ;) ] Let’s be honest here, Nintendo is a shadow of its former self. [Which is exactly why I, and other players are looking forward more to the Revolution than anything else from Nintendo?] For their president to comment on the industry like he is Miss Cleo, is like Vince McMahon commenting on what it takes to be successful in the professional football business. It’s like getting marriage advice from Tom Arnold. You are to take everything with a grain of salt. But wow, these comments are just beyond inane. Former president Yamauchi Hiroshi said some stupid things in his time but Iwata’s comments just take the cake and prove Nintendo is just too far behind the times. Let us discuss some of Iwatas stupidity.

He said unless things changed people "would get tired of games".

Yea, because we all know Nintendo is about complete change. I mean, one look at the "newest" Pokemon or Mario Party 542 can tell you that. [clearly you have yet to play these games, or clearly they are out of your taste in games. the pokemon games are fantastic, each one evolving adding something worthwhile, like 100 or so new creatures, wireless play, ever expanding worlds, first internet enabled handheld game. Or Mario Party, which is actually an incredible party game. My Xbox loving mate cries when he comes to mine. reminded that there is nothing like that for his Xbox.]Apparently it is ok for Nintendo to re-use the same franchises for 20 years but everyone else must innovate or die [I think you've lost some part of your head here. Nintendo uses the same characters yes. But to say that the games remain the same is utterly ridiculous. Of course Zelda 1 on the Nes has the same level of complexity as Majora's Mask, or yes, Metroid NES is IDENTICAL to Hunters in every way, shape and form. seriously, get a clue.]. Gaming has grown through each generation. Was there a significant difference in gaming besides graphics in the 8 to 16 bit leap? 16 to 32? 32 to 64? 64 to present? No. Oh wait... YES, there was. Sony used a CD medium in the PSone and Nintendo refused to adapt. [Nintendo held back due to load times. have you ever played a PS1 game? do you know Nintendo's 'rules'? No. you clearly don't] The PSone could also be used to play CD’s, the Nintendo 64 could only play games. PSone games were $40-50 new, Nintendo 64 games were $60-70 new. Sony won. [REMEMBER THIS BIT. I'll use this later.] In the leap from 64 to the present, online gaming has become a big part of the industry. Which two companies utilize this feature? Sony and Microsoft. [Which was the first to actually use online features in consoles? Which was the first mainstream console to go online?]Which two companies are currently leading the US market? I’ll give you a hint: one of them isn’t Nintendo. Just like they did with the cartidge format, Nintendo dropped the ball with the GCN. []Right. online play stopped Metroid Prime being awesome, or stopped the beauty of Windwaker, the fear of Resident Evil, the thrill of Twin Snakes, the fun of Mario KartOnly this time they made two crucial errors. The first was neglecting online play completely. Oh no my bad, they didn’t neglect it completely. I mean, after all, they did make broadband and 56k modems for the GCN. Too bad they’ve yet to include a use for them in a single one of their games. [utterly clueless. There are just a handful, but there are online GC games. Sorry. credibility here has just dropped] The other area where Nintendo failed was multimedia. While Sony and Microsoft were expanding to components of the home console including the DVD players and hard drives and what not, Nintendo opted for simplicity. Great move!

"Some of the people in the industry still believe we can simply beef up the current technology in order to provide a constant supply of games to people. We don’t agree with that."

Apparently he hasn’t been involved in gaming since... oh... the ****ing day it was created. What is even funnier about this is that he goes on to hype up the DS based on what? Two technical features, touch screen and voice recognition. Neither of which are really innovative anyway. Hell, Seaman on the Dreamcast revolved around voice recognition. But this is Nintendo we are talking about. Wind Waker had innovative graphics, even though it was only the hundreth game of this generation to use cel-shaded graphics. Animal Crossing was innovative, because apparently no one had ever seen or played Harvest Moon before. Metroid Prime was the worlds first FPA, because apparently games like Half-Life and Deus-Ex do not exist. [um. Half Life was a FPS with a storyline. Metroid Prime IS a FPA. not the first. Raven made a similar game many years ago too. It just took the genre to a new incredibly atmospheric level]The point? When Nintendo does something, they sell it as new and innovative and they have enough of a blind army that it is eaten up and believed. What else could explain the fact that Nintendo fanboys constantly bitch about PS2 having too many sequels, and then they go back to playing Mario, Metroid and Zelda, three franchises I played back in the 1980’s? [Again, every single Mario game is different. No mario game to my knowledge shares the same engine. The only game that shares an engine is Super Monkey Ball and F-Zero GX. Every game is different. Mario Kart. Snes=2D sprites, 2D levels (well, Mode7, 2D at an angle). N64=3D tracks. Gamecube=Multiple characters in karts (stolen by the PS2's old mascot, Crash). DS=online, single player missions.]

"Nintendo wants to bring gamers and games back to the start line of 20 years ago," he said.

"In order to do this, touch panel and voice input systems will have big possibilities."

How could anyone possibly think touch panels and voice recognition are going to wow gamers? [Thats funny, it has. when I first showed my DS to gamers, designers and non-gamers the reaction was "impressed".] It isn’t new. PS2 owners use voice recognition in many games, and so do XBox owners. Touch screen elements? Been on PC’s, laptops and other things for awhile now. This is no different than Nintendos fad with connectivity. Just something else they are going too far on a limb with. Does dual screens, touch panels and voice recognition sound cool on a handheld? Yes. But how is that high-tech crap any different than the movies/music and all the other features of the PSP that Nintendo always plays down? One might affect gameplay [Key point. Gameplay always does rule supreme] while the others don’t but Nintendo still fails to grasp the fact that the industry has moved on since the SNES days. That’s why the XBox and PS2 launched able to play CD’s and DVD’s and on the XBox, a HDD and the ability to burn music [? :confused: ?]to use in games. And here is the big one.

Dagless

Mar 25, 2006, 04:44 PM

Mr Iwata said he feared current games with their emphasis on complexity, realism and sophisticated control systems were alienating many potential gamers.[Which he is right with. Have you not heard about the waves upon waves of non-gamers taking up the DS? Clearly not.]

Right. This, ladies and gentleman, is why Nintendo is doomed to continue to slip further and further down the totem pole they created, and will eventually go the way of Sega. Forget that the gamers average age is now somewhere around 22 or 23. Forget the fact that since Nintendo lost their #1 position, the industry has strived and expanded to boundaries people could only dream about [Whoa whoa, gotta stop you there. Strived? Ok ok. So. What have Sony done? Well they added a DVD-player to their system. They kept the same controller until being forced to change it for legal reasons. They're copying the Xbox Live structure. They're doing little but add faster CPU's and better GPU's into their next console. right. ssstrriiiived ]in the Nintendo-dominated 80’s. Forget the fact that so far the top 5 selling games on the 3 home consoles are all complex, realistic games with sophisticated control schemes. [I've no idea what they are, but have you not seen the Japan sales? DS games have continued to dominate the chart for a very long time. Infact I remember Nintendo filling the top 10 at one point, 8 DS games, 2 GBA. That was before. But you're using ONE part of the world. a part of the world who don't care for new games.]

Lets recap. Nintendo ran things their way until the early 90’s, and then the industry changed. Business boomed, millions and millions of gamers who would otherwise never of been seen playing games are now all over them. Hell, celebrities are at parties gaming on PS2’s and XBox consoles. [Speaking of celebrities. I've been apart of a few local game parties with Coronation Street and Hollyoaks actors and they played Halo and Mario Party. hmm. Do celebrities influence me in any way? why should they bloody do? if you love them then fine, go play on your PS2. but I'm my own person thanks.]The industry has grown immensely under someone elses watch, and now this jackass [lets see you do aaany better.] chimes in saying that the very types of games that have made this excellent change take place, are alienating many gamers from playing games? [Again, you have no idea. Nintendo are not targeting those who buy Sony and MS only. They have their pie. PS3 and 360 will battle it out. Nintendo are going for those who buy and like Nintendo and those who are intimidated by games machines. these people DO exist. gamers are still a minority. targeting the MAJORITY ensures some very, very good rewards, if its pulled off and advertised right. Again, look at the DS. Nintendogs, Brain Training, all completely obliterating previous sales records.]Brilliant. So, then, Einstein, how would that explain Nintendos slip from #1? Everyone knows Nintendo thrives on simple, challenge-free games that anyone can pick up and play. [I would pay money to see you 100% Prime 1 or 2 in under 5 hours each, to complete Windwaker or the bloomin Master Quest, F-Zero GX, 100% Smash Bros melee, Mario Sunshine etc. Yea. challenge free.]I would think that goes squarely against complexity, realism and sophisticated controls. Oh wait, that is right, this is Nintendo we are talking about. They are above all logic. [... They're not against realism? they're about games with depth (which means varying levels of difficulty depending on how far you want to go, sorry I have to explain things. but from some comments here you seem a little clueless) and simple controls. if the DS's raging popularity is anything to go by.]

The main point is, Nintendo continues to come up with stupid move after stupid move, backed up by retard reasoning and more retard reasoning. Meanwhile Sony’s userbase has suprisingly improved over PSone’s, and Microsoft is starting to gain momentum. [Has it? Oh! you mean releasing a new console? yea. It will do that alright.]If not many gamers give a rats ass about Nintendos games right now, what makes this jackass think they will start to sell games if they "take gaming back to the starting line"? As cocky as Nintendo is, they are likely forgetting that the "starting line" of gaming wasn’t even the NES. [Lordy. They mean their starting line. Where they started. when consoles took off WORLDWIDE. not just in america. I never had an Atari, I never knew ANYone with an Atari. We had NES, Master System, Spectrum and Amiga.]Anyone want to go back to an era of gaming that resembles the Atari era? No ****ing way. I like my games fine the way they are now, regardless of what tripe Nintendo tries to come up with, telling me what I want and how I want it. Obviously I am not in the minority either, because gaming is still just getting more and more popular, while Nintendo continues on that downward spiral. Maybe they are just bitter. Whatever their problem is, I am now convinced to the fullest that they have no idea what the solution is. The GBA I purchased last year is likely the last Nintendo console I will ever own, and I am suprisingly not saddened

I can't believe I wasted so much time on this. If it was better argued, or had some sort of evidence or was even researched then I would probably felt better about replying.

I thought that comment you made was very important. You spoke about game prices. Ok. Do you know how much BluRay, a brand new medium, made in entirely new factories is going to cost? Basically, 360 games are on a DVD which costs what? 10p to buy these days? or 50p for dual layer? In the UK 360 games cost up to, and way beyond for those terrible 'special edition OMG metal case versions' £40+. Chew on this for a minute...
The Revolutions development kit costs $2000. Games will be on standard DVD's (boost for Nintendo over the Cube). It is said to be the easiest console to develop for, even more easier than the Cube. Which even I got to grips with at university, and I barely know how to code. non-HDTV textures and that.
Estimated price for a game? the same as what GC games cost now. £20-35

the PS3 development kit is UBER expensive. HDTV graphics mean more or better artists are required, lengthening development time, increasing game cost. New format is going to be very expensive, as all new formats are.
Estimated price? running off 360 games and how they overprice PSP games. £50 bare minimum. Which is what some 360 games cost here.

I mean have you not seen PSP games? They cost MORE than DS games! and they use mini DVDs. you know? a cheap format? hah. Nice one Sony.

If money is the issue here then Nintendo have won. cheapest console, (in theory) cheapest games, non-intimidating user input. hello mass market appeal.

About the challenge comment. One of Nintendo's rules (I'll list them in a minute) is to have games with depth. like I said. easy to pick up, very hard to complete.
3 of their rules I know; battery life, depth and replayability. are all held in very high regards.

To throw in my own prediction. The Revolution is going to surprise everyone. DS anyone? I've said twice now but it's doing very well indeed. Why? Because a 'jackass' made a fantastic system, with a full console version coming out with the same principles as the DS later this year.

This is going to be huge.
I was right!

mrgreen4242

Mar 25, 2006, 05:07 PM

I stopped reading here:

For starters, who does the president of Nintendo think he is to make comments regarding the current market or what is going to happen to it? This isn’t one of the leading companies in the console market. This is one of the distant, distant companies in the current console war, with absolutely no hope of catching up.

Nintendo sells more games systems than any other company in the world, period. The PS2 may outsell the GameCube, but figuring in the GBA, DS, and PSP, Nintendo wipes the floor in units sold.

They also make more money than MS and Sony Games division combined (not really fair to Sony, since MS loses as much as Nintendo makes in a year).

So, I suppose you are right in a way. They aren't "one of the leading companies in the console market". They are THE leading company in the market.

kingcrowing

Mar 25, 2006, 05:24 PM

kretzy

Mar 25, 2006, 05:31 PM

That was one hell of a nonsensical rant.

I can't be bothered addressing all of the "arguments", but I will say that it never bothered me that you couldn't play CDs and DVDs on the Nintendo. Most people already had a DVD player, stereo, PC which was able to do these things anyway.

bousozoku

Mar 25, 2006, 05:41 PM

good job. and just to toss it in there... The average gamer is a male in his early 40s, suprising I know, but thats who it is, not a college aged kid. and the DS and I assume the rev. will do the same thing, has brought tons of new gamers into the market, my girlfriend never liked video games untill she playned nintendogs, now shes got a GBA and she'll be getting a DS lite I when they come out in the states, I dont see the PSP attracting any people. and as Jimmi said, nintendo games are plenty hard, even games like castlevania are crazy hard to 100%, whereas games like halo, very easy, just go and shoot everyone... its fun sometimes, but its no nintendo game

I'd be surprised about the average gamer, but we did start out as the first video gamers.

I played Pong and Asteroids and Missile Command when they were new. I also had an Atari computer, not a game console, early on and still have one connected in the other room with around 200 games.

Nintendo doesn't make the most interesting games for American teens who want violence, and that obviously makes them less than a leader in some eyes. Is Mario Party fun to anyone from 13 to 19? It might be but they're not going to let their friends see them playing it.

The Revolution will probably stay the number 3 console in terms of mindshare but keep Nintendo a thriving business. xbox 360 certainly will have the most violent games and it looks great playing Call of Duty 2. Sony PS3 will probably underwhelm me as the PS2 did and it will have a lot of games that don't matter.

In the end, the original poster has a limited view of what's happening but that happens far too often in these forums. (Besides, digging up an article so old doesn't really add to credibility.)

takao

Mar 25, 2006, 05:42 PM

in short: "nintendo is teh d00med"

about mario party: just like with mario kart i have yet to meet somebody who after playing for like 15 minutes didn't like it... and after like an hour it's starts with the fighting about which game to pick up next and after 2 hours it normally ends with grown up men screaming "IN YOUR FACE LUIGI ... WHO'S THE KING OF "ICE CONE CATCHING" NOW ?" "FIRE IN THE HOLE ... BLUE SHELL TO THE RESCUE"

GFLPraxis

Mar 25, 2006, 05:43 PM

What a garbage post. Not even worth responding, it would take me too long to address all the ridiculous stupidity

I read about half of it before I gave up in disgust.

You should honestly be embarrassed. The best part of all this is that you dug up a 2004 article about the DS to say that Nintendo didn't have any idea what they are talking about- this is the same DS that is selling at a faster rate than the PS2 or GBA ever did!

MIDI_EVIL

Mar 25, 2006, 05:47 PM

Raggedjimmi are you some kind of guru ? I am astounded by your knowledge!

You have inspired me to get out my NES, probably the best games console i own, and will ever own!

Rich.

mrgreen4242

Mar 25, 2006, 05:54 PM

GFLPraxis

Mar 25, 2006, 05:58 PM

Raggedjimmi are you some kind of guru ?

RJ, quit doing my job! :p

Dagless

Mar 25, 2006, 06:18 PM

;)

That was a long time coming. but yea. I'm all for a good, well constructed rant. Something with evidence... which I suppose would take away from the definition of a rant.
I like logic and evidence. probably why I attacked that post in such detail. but just to echo again. because I also like nushell analogies.

Nintendo are going nowhere. If US teens don't like Nintendo, then fine. I think Nintendo might care for a few minutes. before they remember that people who like Nintendo are still playing. Not the mindless droves who follow celebrities, who want another GTA styled game (incidentally, illegalprelude had a go at Nintendo carrying on sequels. where every GTA game from the PS2's launch onwards has been pretty much identical with slight engine tweaks. don't get me started on GT or Tekken.) who want yet another racing sim. Nintendo are doing what Godzilla failed to do, the DS is utterly owning Japan. and in Europe the DS is going down a huge, HUGE treat. Is this a coincidence? This is either because- the PSP sucks and the GBA has had it's run now so folk need something new, or people really do want these new kind of games. Nintendo have some kind of newly acquired sense of what average gamers want, of what non-gamers want. Denying that denies the DS's dominance.

I've wasted enough time in this sad excuse of a thread. Back to 1 or 2 sentence replies.

oh yea. cheers everybody. I'm here all alone with nobody to play Mario Party against :(

2nyRiggz

Mar 25, 2006, 06:57 PM

I stop reading it at the 1st para beacause:

1. Stupid
2. Too damn Long
3. Stupid.

Bless

MacRumorUser

Mar 25, 2006, 07:00 PM

bousozoku

Mar 25, 2006, 07:59 PM

I can play DVD's on my nintendo ;) it's a Q :D

Guy's simply add illegalprelude to our ignore list. Solution. :)

If only such a thing were possible for moderators. :D

zap2

Mar 25, 2006, 08:16 PM

That article is from May 2004. :confused:

lol

I would say the OP is way off the mark:rolleyes:

calyxman

Mar 25, 2006, 08:19 PM

What's wrong with wanting to play simple games? I have a life. I can't spend my entire time figuring out games like Halo and Metal Gear.

Break out the pong baby! :cool:

plinkoman

Mar 25, 2006, 10:39 PM

dude, what the hell has nintendo ever done to you to deserve such dedication and perseverance in tarnishing their name? good god, if you don't like nintendo... THEN DON'T BUY NINTENDO! no need to bash the hell out of them for everything :rolleyes:

simple, problem solved

mark!

Mar 25, 2006, 11:02 PM

question....
what does this article about a nintendo ds prototype from may 2004 have to do with the nintendo revolution that you idiotically called the fake-olution because you think the nintendo guy has bad & wrong opinions...????

GFLPraxis

Mar 25, 2006, 11:10 PM

I can play DVD's on my nintendo ;) it's a Q :D

Guy's simply add illegalprelude to our ignore list. Solution. :)

I don't like ignore lists simply because if other people are responding to something someone says and you have them set to ignore, you miss what people are talking about and may misunderstand.

itcheroni

Mar 26, 2006, 12:26 AM

I can't speak for illegalprelude but I think the real reason people like me bitch about Nintendo is because we really want to buy a Nintendo console but the games don't appeal to us. I want the "fun" of Nintendo with the option of getting some non-children friendly games too. Why else would people have such passion in bitching about Nintendo? They're satisfying their base but we want them to bring more to the table to please us.

GFLPraxis

Mar 26, 2006, 12:37 AM

I can't speak for illegalprude but I think the real reason people like me bitch about Nintendo is because we really want to buy a Nintendo console but the games don't appeal to us. I want the "fun" of Nintendo with the option of getting some non-children friendly games too. Why else would people have such passion in bitching about Nintendo? They're satisfying their base but we want them to bring more to the table to please us.

See, that's what I don't understand.

Well, two things really.

1) Why can't you? There are plenty of M rated games on GameCube. Most notably Resident Evil 4, which was exclusive for over a year, and runs much better than the PS2 version. Plus Killer 7, Geist, etc etc.

2) Why does a game have to be non-children friendly? Does making it unfriendly for children make it a better game?

DeSnousa

Mar 26, 2006, 01:48 AM

ChrisBrightwell

Mar 26, 2006, 02:01 AM

I want the "fun" of Nintendo with the option of getting some non-children friendly games too.Then buy a Gamecube, pair it with a DS, and quit whining.

There are "adult" games out there. You just have to throw your gaming prejudices out the window and try a few of them.

.Andy

Mar 26, 2006, 02:10 AM

Let me say, that I used to love playing games until they all got complex and out of control. I was about to give up on gaming and then Nintendo released the innovative DS and wow I love games again. The games are simple yet complex (if that makes sense) and it is just a fun system to use. The heads of Nintendo are doing what they said they would, attracting non-gamers (which is a hell of a lot of the market compared to hard core gamers).

I too am going to look forward to the Rev, which I have no doubt will spark me to play consoles again. One handed simplicity, yes please.

Ditto DeSnousa. I had a SNES, 64, and PSX but got completely turned off when the next gens rolled around. Don't know what did it acutally. Probably a combination of less time, the insane amount of buttons and analog sticks on the new controllers, and poor experiences at mates houses with complex racing games that take half an hour of car customisation and modification before you hit the track.

Now I've got a DS and I'm happy as larry. So simple and so much fun. With Ouendan, MarioKart, Animal Crossing, Sonic Rush, Mario 64, Warioware etc I can just pick it up and play something enjoyable and challenging quickly and easily. It's because of my DS that I will probably outlay money for a Revoution. Knowing how cool the touch screen has enhanced the gameplay I can't wait to see what they do with that controller. It's exciting just thinking about it :).

p.s. I'm also outlaying for two Lites when they hit Aus. One for myself and one for my fiance, who had never gamed but is now a truely hardcore Animal Crossing devote - she plays every day without fail.

takao

Mar 26, 2006, 04:33 AM

Ditto DeSnousa. I had a SNES, 64, and PSX but got completely turned off when the next gens rolled around. Don't know what did it acutally.

i know quite a few guys who had the same feelings back then or similiar ones before the DS and Revolution were announced .. it's the "more of the same feeling"

i know people who gave up console gaming back then and some who thought about giving up just a year ago and switch completely to the PC because they would buy one anyways

i remember my father & mother playing tetris and super mario with us kids in front of the TV and now they only play card games or perhaps some flash games in the internet and refuse to even take a controller

funny fact: my mother calls super monkey ball "horrorful" (sp?) because the little monkeys are screaming if they fall down from the platforms ...

BlizzardBomb

Mar 26, 2006, 04:34 AM

Dagless

Mar 26, 2006, 04:46 AM

Let me say, that I used to love playing games until they all got complex and out of control. I was about to give up on gaming and then Nintendo released the innovative DS and wow I love games again. The games are simple yet complex (if that makes sense) and it is just a fun system to use. The heads of Nintendo are doing what they said they would, attracting non-gamers (which is a hell of a lot of the market compared to hard core gamers).

I too am going to look forward to the Rev, which I have no doubt will spark me to play consoles again. One handed simplicity, yes please.

What you're looking at there is what I touched upon earlier. Depth. Never ever underestimate it. take Kirby DS. What? No buttons? The entire game is played with the stylus. It's damn simple, yet with physics, big worlds, secrets galore and unlockables it's bloody epic and takes a lot of skill to be very good. Another example is Mario 64. My non-gamer sister can beat it on the bare minimum taking days, where other folk can beat it in 14 minutes. After mastering the engine of course and learning how things work pixel by pixel. Even the old Sonic games could be completed by 4 year olds, but only 100% completed by hardcore gamers.

Depth. Extremely important. It's the gameplay element Nintendo has to a T.

What I don't understand myself is how people say the DS is no innovative. Have these people even played Kirby (utter simplicity), Nintendogs (interaction), WarioWare? If you say the system itself isn't innovative (I'm actually yet to see something like it, other than a Pocket PC with its 'mobile phone' style games) then it takes a pretty ignorant person to say the games aren't.

Another observation I made last night, just wondering if anyone else has found this too. But years back all my gaming mates would look forward and do anything to get a Halo LAN party going. But after the 5th or 6th one people started getting bored. Me included. It's still fun. But it's lost that initial excitement. On the other hand Mario Party is in a totally different league. Just mentioning MP gets everyone up here. Games only ending when my sister has to go to bed.

MacRumorUser

Mar 26, 2006, 05:09 AM

I think most people tend to look at a gamecube or ds and see them as kiddie toy's only. After all they are chunky, plasticy and the cube has a handle like a kids speak & spell machine....

People look at the games and they dont see innovation or excellent gameplay, they see vibrant colors and another Mario game (let's face it mario golf, tennis, baseball & soccer are really milking it and are not original) and assume therefore like the look of the machine, its just for kids...

Nintendo's design team are to blame more than general ignorance. After all it's not the consumers job to do the work and see beyond the ugliness outside. Nintendo need to start taking design more seriously... Us mac users more than others should acknowledge the importance of design. Otherwise we'd all be staring at beige ugly pc boxes...

The redesigned DS & Revolution go someway towards targeting the right audience. Remember other than parents buying for kids at christmas, the real console buyers bulk wise are between 18-30 with more disposable income. For nintendo to have more 'financial & increased sales' success it is this audience they should aim the hardware at, both aesthetically and price wise..

I hope the rev is a big success, but if they just use the bloody controller for another set of baseball, tennis & golf games (after all an interactive controller like this would probably suit those games more so than a FPS ironicaly) they may still find themselves appealing to the nintendo fanbase and junior sections only...

The oxymoron of all of this though, is that more than likely the kiddie games are not being played by kids. How many juniors put in the hours with animal crossing? None I know, they all want PS2s...

After all kids, don't want to play kiddie games, they want GTA. Just like a kid would rather see a ***** 18 rated film than watch a great PG rated film, simply because it's the allure of maturity and somthing they shouldn't be doing...

Nintendo need to look at theyre target audience and not only shape the hardware , but games around that. It's not the consumers fault they cant shake off the kiddy perceptions. It's nintendo's marketing & pr...

hookahco

Mar 26, 2006, 05:53 AM

kingcrowing

Mar 26, 2006, 09:05 AM

Dagless

Mar 26, 2006, 09:12 AM

I know your right about milking the mario series, but the best golf game I've played is mario, the best tennis game I've played is virtua tennis on the DC (:p) but the second best is mario, even games like princess peach on the DS is fun, so at this point (with the exception of luigis mansion... yuck) pretty much ever mario games has done something good, even if it is just a tennis game, its got firmilar charecters, and everyone likes that

I was going to say that :) I found the Mario Sports games are the only sports games I can really enjoy. Instead of going down the route of realism they would rather add old Mario style gameplay.
Just hope they never make a skateboarding game *shudders*

emaja

Mar 26, 2006, 09:19 AM

YAWN!

If I cared I would have read the whole thing, but it's a game console. You don't want it - don't buy it.

MacRumorUser

Mar 26, 2006, 09:25 AM

I was going to say that :) I found the Mario Sports games are the only sports games I can really enjoy. Instead of going down the route of realism they would rather add old Mario style gameplay.
Just hope they never make a skateboarding game *shudders*

I like Mario Golf, i actually really really like mario golf. :)

Mario Tennis became very repetitive especially the over used power-moves.

Mario Soccer is the exact same game as Sega Soccer Slam, only not as good.

Mario Baseball, well I cant believe I parted cash for that piece of junk :rolleyes:

But we have to admit, these spinoffs by Camelot are not original or innovative at all.. Regardless if they are fun, they are not breaking the mould. They are just a milking of the franchise.

I'd have much preferred another proper Mario on the cube than any of those titles, and none of them did anything to alter the perception that nintendo is for kids, regardless of that being true or not.

iGav

Mar 26, 2006, 09:29 AM

about mario party: just like with mario kart i have yet to meet somebody who after playing for like 15 minutes didn't like it... and after like an hour it's starts with the fighting about which game to pick up next and after 2 hours it normally ends with grown up men screaming "IN YOUR FACE LUIGI ... WHO'S THE KING OF "ICE CONE CATCHING" NOW ?" "FIRE IN THE HOLE ... BLUE SHELL TO THE RESCUE"

I f**kin' hate anything Mario with a passion.

MacRumorUser

Mar 26, 2006, 09:32 AM

I f**kin' hate anything Mario with a passion.

Did you have a bad experience with an Italian plumber at some stage in your childhood? ;)

:) :D :)

DEXTERITY

Mar 26, 2006, 09:38 AM

Nintendo need to look at theyre target audience and not only shape the hardware , but games around that. It's not the consumers fault they cant shake off the kiddy perceptions. It's nintendo's marketing & pr...

I can comment on this. Corporate does know what they have to do in regards to marketing the systems towards an older crowd and to try to change the "kiddie" image. Initially, thats the reason the indigo cube color was discountinued and there was a directive from corp. to remove any display which used one.

I've heard it from straight out the mouth of Reggie and numerous other execs. They know what they have to do and have been beginning to try to change the image. It's slowly happening.

The DS did begin to do this, hence the "touching is good" slogan and the marketing which featured "hip" looking teenagers and young adults. This can also be seen on the marketing and pop used in retail and tv advertisements. The re-design is evidence of this as well and so is the design of the revolution which is sexy as hell.

Also, Nintendo Power was redesigned also to give it a more mature look. And something no one knows about is the name is going to be changed!

The latest mission has been to make the wi-fi even more popular. Best Buy stores now have download stations on the endcap where the game cube interactive is. And Target will have them beginning April 3rd.

Nothing can change over-night but in addition to sticking to the plan as always, they also have been trying to get more mature games from licensee's and change the "kiddie" image some speak of. At the same time you will still get the games you love and know. Having more mature games is also a goal which they know they need this time around with the revolution. They want a little bit of something for everyone while staying the most profitable game company (I just love when people say we aren't lol).

MacRumorUser

Mar 26, 2006, 10:06 AM

Yeah I was going to say that the DS lite & Rev design's go a long way towards changing the perception through hardware formfactor. Just hope it's enough.

Like you say with nintendo it's a case of slowly getting the message. I just hope they don't take too long to get that message out that all the screaming and shouting in the world wont be enough to get them heard. I don't want Nintendo going the same way as Sega.

I just hope the revolution find a hole in the market. A lot of impatient users have already bought a 360. The die hard ps2 owners will hold out till November for PS3. I just get the feeling the revolution release at the same time as the ps3 will be it's biggest marketing mistake Nintendo could do. It would get over shadowed, regardless of how innovative it is.

Had the DS launched at the same time as the psp I think it's success wouldnt have been so well recieved. It's getting the new hardware control in peoples hands that is the biggest challenge, up against the hyperbole of Sony's marketing machine the Revolution's future isn't certain as I'd hope.

rosalindavenue

Mar 26, 2006, 10:12 AM

This is a great thread, aside from the original post. And the OP had some kernels of truth under all the fanboy hatred-- at least to the outside observer Ninty is overly reliant on its cartoon characters.

I'm 37. I had an Atari 2600 when I was in high school. I never bought another console until I got a Gamecube this winter. I gamed during the intervening 25 years; on PCs. Now that I am old, with 2 kids, I dont have the time to invest in your average PS2 horror game or GTA. (I did get GTA3 for my PC to see what all the fuss was about and I agree with the poster above who notes that the game is appealing to teens for its R rated stuff but overall, in my opinion, it is incredibly boring, monotonous, and nihilistic to boot).

The cube is wonderful. My kids and I play Mario Kart and Smash Brothers-- I can duck in for 10 mintues, laugh with them, and duck out. Both games are immediately playable, but they are also deep-- we just unlocked Toad and Toadette in Mario Kart today. I also read some reviews and picked up RE4 and Metroid Prime for after the kids go to bed-- both are incredible (although I have to resort to cheats and walkthoughts to get through them).

The more recent stuff that Nintendo has been saying is 100% spot-on. There are a lot more non-hardcore gamers than there are hardcore gamers. The hardcore games need to get xboxes and PS3. Nintendo realizes that their strength lies in the non-hardcore gamer area. Nintendo is also not saddled with the obligation to sell windows media center PCs (or operating systems), or to sell HD dvds. Free of these other obligations, they'll concentrate on gaming. Plus Myamoto-San is the Shakespeare of video games.

I'll be buying a revolution, needless to say.

Dagless

Mar 26, 2006, 10:15 AM

I f**kin' hate anything Mario with a passion.

Good on you!

Anywho. In the UK at least Nintendo DS adverts are being shoved down our throats. I've seen the Mario Kart advert countless times during the daytime, but in the evening, when the kids are in bed and its Channel 4 comedy time. bam. It seems like everything adult comedy on C4 has been sponsored by the big N. A huge improvement over the semi-popular GBA adverts (96 levels above your mates!) and the non existent Gamecube adverts.
It just sorta feels that Nintendo sat down developers and asked what they wanted (easier and faster production at a low price), old skool game players (new controls and genres), non gamers (Less intimidating hardware) and advert people and fixed everything that plagued them before.

Whoever they hired. they're on the ball.

MacRumorUser

Mar 26, 2006, 10:17 AM

But I wonder what will happen to nintendo if Myamoto died? Is there too much riding on one mans shoulders? Nothing is certain, and there does seem to be too much reliance on one man.

rosalindavenue

Mar 26, 2006, 10:33 AM

But I wonder what will happen to nintendo if Myamoto died? Is there too much riding on one mans shoulders? Nothing is certain, and there does seem to be too much reliance on one man.

A valid concern-- but Nintendo does have other talent. Nintendo without Myamoto is more possible to imagine than, say, Apple without Jobs.

Foxer

Mar 26, 2006, 10:41 AM

i can still remember when playing a video game, regardless of the console, was called "playing nintendo." like it or not, the name is sononymous with gaming.

And I remember when it was called "playing Atari," even though I never owned and Atari (I had Intellivison.)

I've got all the consoles, and I love the GC. No kids titles, either. The Star Wars Rogue Squadron games are some of my favorite titles ever, and GC exclusives.

MacRumorUser

Mar 26, 2006, 10:46 AM

A valid concern-- but Nintendo does have other talent. Nintendo without Myamoto is more possible to imagine than, say, Apple without Jobs.

But i'm pretty sure there will always be Jobs at Apple... Oh wait!! ;) :p

takao

Mar 26, 2006, 11:25 AM

But I wonder what will happen to nintendo if Myamoto died? Is there too much riding on one mans shoulders? Nothing is certain, and there does seem to be too much reliance on one man.
well nothing is certain for the other two either... if the board of directors of microsoft have a bad day, look at the losses and say "it's not worth it" perhaps because vista or the latest office isn't selling as good ..after all a huge chunk of the xbox department got redirected to the vista coding department to get it out the door
or what if the ps3 doesn't boost the sales of HDTV sets enough ?

it's all just speculation

personally i'm kinda tired of the kiddie/mature discussion... after all Civ4 just got like Civ3 before a 6+ USK / 12+ PEGI rating and i guess nobody would call it a kiddie game
some need for speed games have no rating at all.. are they kiddy because of it ? conker is bright and colorfull (as far as i remember) and yet i wouldn't let my kid play it ...
i'm tired of the discussion.. i don't know i simply don't care... i'm 22 i don't need to play UT on "turbo" all day long or pimp-my-ride racing games to feel like a grown up .. (just like a few months when that guy was kinda shaking the head about us playing on the computer, the very same guy who is addicted to roulette and sometimes loses 9k within an hour)

that aside i got "i need realism game now" flash just this weekend:
installed "Il-2 Sturmovik: Forgotten Battles" just to get teared apart and die through german FLAKs in the first mission 6 times in a row on easy with realism turned down... seriously in that game you can do motor management for hours with using like 30-40 buttons (i turned it off .. i'm not that fanatically)
compared to stuff like that most games are kid games anyways

just like that outfit game were i read the review.. sure it's second world war and everything but each enemy tank completely irrelevant where you hit and you need 3 shots from a Sherman, if it's PzKW IV or a Königstiger doesn't matter...
that's not any different from a (not released) Nintendo Mushroom Kingdom War II: Koopa Tank Commander for me

or take "Rouge Squ...Blazing Angels" (which i would buy if i had a 360 simply for the fact that it's not a WW2 egoshooter but something different for once) .. that's not a mature game besides the setting at all

offtopic: seriously how many ww2 ego shooter are out there ? i got bored with the same settings long ago (the submarine port level, the invasion level, the V2 rocket facility level, the castle on top of the mountain, destroy the air defense emplacements levels (which mostly is the first one) ... yawn)
i mean it's not the only war which can be made a video game of.. same is true for: "aliens vs. space marines" (i'm not really a fan of metroid either), "special forces against terrorists", "shoot the zombie/mutant" .. and perhaps "fight somewhere in the jungle or on a island or both combined" if we are lucky
how about some alternate history games... that would be much more interesting because of the story ...

Dagless

Mar 26, 2006, 11:32 AM

But I wonder what will happen to nintendo if Myamoto died? Is there too much riding on one mans shoulders? Nothing is certain, and there does seem to be too much reliance on one man.

hah! good one! as if Miyamoto could do. the guy who invented the invincibility star. tch.

Anyways. They have Iwata too. Who is very good. Kirby anyone? And the guy who made the original Gameboy died in 1996 (IIRC). Nintendo folk will plop off the perch from time to time but the talent and creativity is all around.

Now. If the entire EAD time died all of a sudden. That would be very bad.

MacRumorUser

Mar 26, 2006, 11:33 AM

or take "Rouge Squ...Blazing Angels" (which i would buy if i had a 360 simply for the fact that it's not a WW2 egoshooter but something different for once)..

You wouldnt if you downloaded the demo and tried it. I was looking forward to this and had it on pre-order. It's pants.... Control is awkward and graphics are very uninspired, doesn't look like it's in hi-res at all.... Cack at it's highest order...

Actually that's one thing I really like from the 360 and hope it makes it to the ps3 & rev - downloadable demos. They've saved me from some serious disappointments :)

And for your other point...

Yes WW2 games do have a tendency to be money for old rope nowadays... theyre like the borg, they must assimilate....

hah! good one! as if Miyamoto could do. the guy who invented the invincibility star. tch.

Anyways. They have Iwata too. Who is very good. Kirby anyone?

LoL! Jimmi time to go outside and see the 'real world' ;) and may I remind you of Kirbys AirRide less we forget :)

takao

Mar 26, 2006, 11:59 AM

You wouldnt if you downloaded the demo and tried it. I was looking forward to this and had it on pre-order. It's pants.... Control is awkward and graphics are very uninspired, doesn't look like it's in hi-res at all.... Cack at it's highest order...

ok then forget my comment.. i just have seen some viedos and found it be interesting... perhaps they will fix it in a sequel ;) (in fact it's only game of the 360 where i thought "i'll take another look")

Actually that's one thing I really like from the 360 and hope it makes it to the ps3 & rev - downloadable demos. They've saved me from some serious disappointments :)

yeah downloadable demos are really something important.. that way i found out that battle for middle earth 2 is quite good even though it's from EA

Yes WW2 games do have a tendency to be money for old rope nowadays... theyre like the borg, they must assimilate....

the sad thing is that all of them are the same not that there are ww2 games..

i remeber an old game for microprose "Dogfight" for the PC where you were able to fly aircrafts from lot of different time periods and wars and one of the features were a campaign mode in which you could choose the sides.. so it was possible to fight WW1 as the allieds with a Camel, in WW2 you could fly Bf-109 over England, in Korea the F-86 and in Vietnam the MiG 21 etc. it was hilarious and i'm surprised nobody picked up that idea for other games... i love it when you can choose from different sides in war games

Sayer

Mar 26, 2006, 12:20 PM

The DS owns the PSP, especially in Japan (Nintendo's home turf). In a used video game store here the GameCube games fly off the shelf according to the owner I was talking to; while I was there for 10 minutes someone came in specifically looking for [used] GameCube games.

And now vintage gaming is really becoming mainstream, and guess which next-gen platform will have emulators for pretty much every legacy console? The Nintendo Revolution.

I think you must look at Nintendo's market focus through Japanese POV, not really the American POV. Nintendo is HUGE in Japan, always has been. And the Revolution will be a hot item, in Japan.

Xbox 360 is DOA in Japan and the PS3 is still months away at best. Nintendo has a shot, in Japan, to be successful. Really successful. In the USA? Who knows. Xbox 360 is still being rolled out, you can just now get units nearly 3 months after they first went on sale.

Any speculation on who will be number 1 in next-gen consoles at this point is just that, speculation.

2nyRiggz

Mar 26, 2006, 12:21 PM

See, that's what I don't understand.

Well, two things really.

1) Why can't you? There are plenty of M rated games on GameCube. Most notably Resident Evil 4, which was exclusive for over a year, and runs much better than the PS2 version. Plus Killer 7, Geist, etc etc.

2) Why does a game have to be non-children friendly? Does making it unfriendly for children make it a better game?

I never got it myself but the other systems(except the xbox) got kiddie type games as well but they just don't make it to the shores of U.S.

I will never get how people call "Nintendo kiddie games" they make some adult games as the rest....even some developers see it as so and don't make a CG copy of there games........sometimes i see game adverts on TV and say to myself "i would enjoy that on the GC" but they don't list the GC...that bugs me...oh well

GameCube got dogged this semester...

Bless

itcheroni

Mar 26, 2006, 12:39 PM

See, that's what I don't understand.

Well, two things really.

1) Why can't you? There are plenty of M rated games on GameCube. Most notably Resident Evil 4, which was exclusive for over a year, and runs much better than the PS2 version. Plus Killer 7, Geist, etc etc.

2) Why does a game have to be non-children friendly? Does making it unfriendly for children make it a better game?

You have a point. I'm not really a hardcore gamer so, except for RE 4, I don't recognize many of the games people are naming. It just feels like they're not marketing it towards me so I assume they don't have stuff I'd be interested in. Besides, my favorite franchises are Metal Gear, GTA, and Final Fantasy, so it's difficult to consider buying a console that doesn't have any of them. Especially since I'll only buy one console, if that.

Dagless

Mar 26, 2006, 12:52 PM

You have a point. I'm not really a hardcore gamer so, except for RE 4, I don't recognize many of the games people are naming. It just feels like they're not marketing it towards me so I assume they don't have stuff I'd be interested in. Besides, my favorite franchises are Metal Gear, GTA, and Final Fantasy, so it's difficult to consider buying a console that doesn't have any of them. Especially since I'll only buy one console, if that.

If FF is your cup of tea then you might want to buy a DS and Rev. Square Enix are putting in a lot of effort for those systems. Ash (Not Square, but the same lead guy), massively updated FF3 DS, FF6 GBA port, Crystal Chronicles on both Rev and DS (which will be so awesome online). hm sure there was more. Point I'm getting at is that Square are no longer tied to Sony, and of course theres the Xbox FF. Just like the market as a whole; they're going back to their roots.
come to think of it all those games you mentioned above feature on every other system. Looks like Sony needs some exclusive games now. Suppose thats what happens without a 1st party development studio.

itcheroni

Mar 26, 2006, 01:27 PM

If FF is your cup of tea then you might want to buy a DS and Rev. Square Enix are putting in a lot of effort for those systems. Ash (Not Square, but the same lead guy), massively updated FF3 DS, FF6 GBA port, Crystal Chronicles on both Rev and DS (which will be so awesome online). hm sure there was more. Point I'm getting at is that Square are no longer tied to Sony, and of course theres the Xbox FF. Just like the market as a whole; they're going back to their roots.
come to think of it all those games you mentioned above feature on every other system. Looks like Sony needs some exclusive games now. Suppose thats what happens without a 1st party development studio.

If all those games are available on the Rev, and it's cheaper as everyone is saying it will be, then I'll definitely pick it up. I'm the type of person who picks value(in terms of what you pay to what you get) over having the latest and greatest. That's why I have a mini and not a MBP :)

Abulia

Mar 26, 2006, 02:07 PM

All this thread does is renew my interst in a mod dedicated to this forum.

MacRumorUser

Mar 26, 2006, 02:16 PM

All this thread does is renew my interst in a mod dedicated to this forum.

Don't go down that road mate. I've already had a chat with bousozoku. The moderator and he is keeping an extra eye out. We have turned this turd of an OP to better use, and i think that's the best that we can do. :)

Extra moderation isn't going to happen. All we can do is use inteligence & discretion (knowing when to ignore) and try and rejust the ignorance scales.

Notice how illegalprelude hasn't posted since?

Dagless

Mar 26, 2006, 03:13 PM

I thought about mentioning that but I had images of him coming back on, quoting my "he's vanished" thread and start flaming me before it just becomes a flame thread .

iPoster

Mar 26, 2006, 05:11 PM

You actually watch DVDs on an Xbox or PS2? :eek:

I could see that in a dorm room or someplace where you just don't have room for a dedicated DVD player, maybe....:rolleyes:

XNine

Mar 26, 2006, 05:20 PM

And now vintage gaming is really becoming mainstream, and guess which next-gen platform will have emulators for pretty much every legacy console? The Nintendo Revolution.

I hate people with those NINTENDO shirts everywhere nowadays... And besides, guess which console already has emulators for every classic gaming system, plus arcade emulators, plus a PSX and an N64 emulator? The original Xbox. Boo yaw granma! Already been done!

mrgreen4242

Mar 26, 2006, 05:42 PM

I hate people with those NINTENDO shirts everywhere nowadays... And besides, guess which console already has emulators for every classic gaming system, plus arcade emulators, plus a PSX and an N64 emulator? The original Xbox. Boo yaw granma! Already been done!

I don't think it's fair to count emulators that were put on with hacks or mods. I mean, the PC has emu's for all of them first, so it was already done before the XBox. Ooooo.

I think they real interesting bit is about companies supporting emulation of old games, and providing the ROMs legally.

Do you really hate someone just because of a shirt they were? That's pretty rough, man. What about Pac-Mac shirts? Is that OK because it's even older, or is it lamer for the same reason?

Dagless

Mar 26, 2006, 05:43 PM

illegalprelude

Mar 26, 2006, 05:50 PM

plinkoman

Mar 26, 2006, 05:58 PM

aahhhh hahahahahahahahahaha. this is hilarious. I posted this like 2 days ago, fanboys ftw. rofl. ty. you guys are pwntastic

http://www.gamersmark.com/editorials/view/139/

thank god u guys dont work for nintendo or u migh have slit ur writsts my now.

dude, what is your problem? if you don't like nintendo systems and games, then don't buy nintendo systems and games. is it really necessary to go out of your way to take shots at those who would disagree with you; fanboy or otherwise?

mrgreen4242

Mar 26, 2006, 05:58 PM

I have a new policy... I am ignoring anyone who doesn't know the difference between the words Dual and Duel.

Unfortunately, legalprelude has failed this test [see his sig].

illegalprelude

Mar 26, 2006, 06:02 PM

dude, what is your problem? if you don't like nintendo systems and games, then don't buy nintendo systems and games. is it really necessary to go out of your way to take shots at those who would disagree with you; fanboy or otherwise?

i see plenty of sony topics yet ur not complaining, so its only fair? why yes indeed. brw, welcome to public forums. :) its scary, i know

I have a new policy... I am ignoring anyone who doesn't know the difference between the words Dual and Duel.

Unfortunately, legalprelude has failed this test [see his sig].

omg. im ignorning anybody who cant come up with a creative name and must use numbers it. new policy. like totally

progx

Mar 26, 2006, 06:02 PM

wow…you have been seriously misinformed.

Nintendo is bringing fun back to games by doing something totally different, the Virtual Console. anyone and everyone would jump at the chance to play old NES, SNES, N64, (just announced) Genesis and TurboGRAX? games. that alone will sell the Revolution to success. plus, the new controller, quite a few people can't wait to get their hands on it.

not to mention, you don't need to have the best and greatest technology; it only drives the price up.

Nintendo is taking the Apple approach. take something you have, make it a little better, then put it into a small, sexy and sleek box. sell it cheaper than competitors; a little bit unlike Apple. the Rev is going to be about $200-300 starting price. while the XBOX 360 and PS3 will be $400-500 in this game.

oh, and Nintendo owns the handheld market b***h. the DS Lite sold out before stores even opened in Japan. the PSP is pretty big loss for Sony right now, since it can't compete with Nintendo's Gameboy line and, sure as hell, not with the iPod.

Dagless

Mar 26, 2006, 06:04 PM

illegalprelude

Mar 26, 2006, 06:06 PM

Is there any way to ban this guy or something? The atrocious spelling alone is reason enough, just a little discipline? please mods?

Oh, and if you think posting it on a site makes it any more credible. heh. well. Heard of SeriousGamer007?

uuuhhh, actually I did write that, hence funny. get it. and mod me? for what? I can take just as much offence to any post made anti 360 or PS2 or whatever but u dont see me throwing a fit. I got what I got and I enjoy it. Its you who feels a little insecure about their decision and feels like they have to defend it with their life. im just laughing

Dagless

Mar 26, 2006, 06:08 PM

illegalprelude

Mar 26, 2006, 06:12 PM

I was a little lost on that site, by the way. It seems that on the page you posted there is no navigation menu? hmm.

Besides. An editorial is as unbiased as possible, it's full of statistics data and backing up, I say this because you seen to have forgotten to mention the GBA's long lived popularity and the DS's insta-fame. As least for good writers.

:)

dude you miss the point, i could careless whats written there and what stats are vs other stats. I got the systems I got and I enjoy it. For example, Mac only has 5% market, do you care? no, because you enjoy it and great. If somebody has GBA or PSP or GC or Atari, if they enjoy it, fantastic.

Just dont be so insecure and fanboy towards a system.

plus, all is entitled to their own opinion right?

Dagless

Mar 26, 2006, 06:13 PM

uuuhhh, actually I did write that, hence funny. get it. and mod me? for what? I can take just as much offence to any post made anti 360 or PS2 or whatever but u dont see me throwing a fit. I got what I got and I enjoy it. Its you who feels a little insecure about their decision and feels like they have to defend it with their life. im just laughing

hehe. I think a lot of people are laughing back at you.

Oh and if you want to go all posting on sites
PS3 Sucks (http://satansam.co.uk/blog/?p=228)
PSP Sucks (http://satansam.co.uk/blog/?p=151)
I wrote an article about 2 years ago now on why the PSP will fail. But that was using dated hardware (no wireless etc).

plinkoman

Mar 26, 2006, 06:19 PM

i see plenty of sony topics yet ur not complaining, so its only fair?

you wanna show me an anti sony thread with such an opening post as bad as yours?

also, you may note, i have never participated in any such thread. you know why? because i like nintendo systems, so, i buy nintendo systems, and i enjoy playing them, and for me, thats good enough. i don't feel the need to go around yelling at people who disagree with me, or take the attitude that anyone who doesn't think the way i do is a moron.

oh, and thanks for welcoming me to public forums. though it seems somewhat strange, since i've been here two years longer then you, and since i, unlike you, treat people who prefer a different gaming system then i, with respect. forums are a community of people who help each other and have friendly discussions, or friendly debates; not a forum(forgive the pun) for bashing everyone who doesn't agree with you.

Dagless

Mar 26, 2006, 06:19 PM

Dagless

Mar 26, 2006, 06:23 PM

you wanna show me an anti sony thread with such an opening post as bad as yours?

also, you may note, i have never participated in any such thread. you know why? because i like nintendo systems, so, i buy nintendo systems, and i enjoy playing them, and for me, thats good enough. i don't feel the need to go around yelling at people who disagree with me, or take the attitude that anyone who doesn't think the way i do is a moron.

oh, and thanks for welcoming me to public forums. though it seems somewhat strange, since i've been here two years longer then you, and since i, unlike you, treat people who prefer a different gaming system then i, with respect. forums are a community of people who help each other and have friendly discussions, or friendly debates; not a forum(forgive the pun) for bashing everyone who doesn't agree with you.

This is what I don't get either. I've yet to see such an anti-X brand (other than Windows) with such bad spelling, misinformed information rant being posted here. There has never been anything like this for the other systems! Yet this guy thinks there is, he might be confusing structured criticism with all out hatred. This thread, and the reasoning to this thread is evidence enough!

I mean calling somebody a "jackass" without actually ever meeting him.... bhahaha. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

illegalprelude

Mar 26, 2006, 06:26 PM

This is what I don't get either. I've yet to see such an anti-X brand (other than Windows) with such bad spelling, misinformed information rant being posted here. There has never been anything like this for the other systems! Yet this guy thinks there is, he might be confusing structured criticism with all out hatred. This thread, and the reasoning to this thread is evidence enough!

I mean calling somebody a "jackass" without actually ever meeting him.... bhahaha. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

I know, I couldnt agree more. Calling somebody with bad spelling and misinformed without ever meeting them right? How could somebody ever do that. dear gosh!

lmao. I enjoy this more and more.

Your so right, there hasnt been any sony bashing on here what so ever.

oh yea, its ok to bash windows though, i mean they make expection because its ok, you dont like them.

ftw for all on this thread

Dagless

Mar 26, 2006, 06:33 PM

I know, I couldnt agree more. Calling somebody with bad spelling and misinformed without ever meeting them right? How could somebody ever do that. dear gosh!
clearly we're different people. I like to meet people before making judgement on personalities, especially if they're famous/well known. As for the most part the public actually know squat about them. Only making judgements about what they do on stage or what the papers say. I thought you might have been above that just a little, the rest of us seem to be?

lmao. I enjoy this more and more.
you're feeling what we all felt after you posted that opinionated 'piece'.

Your so right, there hasnt been any sony bashing on here what so ever.
For the love of christ! You're getting confused! what does bashing mean to you? to me it means mindless angst towards something. what I've done and certainly others is offer their opinion with reasons. Like I said, in a structured and better worded way. A bash isn't just something negative.

oh yea, its ok to bash windows though, i mean they make expection because its ok, you dont like them.
It's safe to assume, as Mac users, that the majority here don't like Windows, again argued through reasonable opinions from personal experience.

illegalprelude

Mar 26, 2006, 06:35 PM

but its not safe to assume that a xbox or PS user might have had nintendo products and not been happy with them? So again, that theory only works when its to somebody advantage?

Dagless

Mar 26, 2006, 06:38 PM

but its not safe to assume that a xbox or PS user might have had nintendo products and not been happy with them? So again, that theory only works when its to somebody advantage?

No, it works against you when there is no explanation. Just a long winded, badly composed document about why Nintendo "suck".

illegalprelude

Mar 26, 2006, 06:40 PM

No, it works against you when there is no explanation. Just a long winded, badly composed document about why Nintendo "suck".

i would assume reading that, there is plenty of explanations on why the lack of a good system was there but would you not say, exeprience is due to opinion? There is no true way to say one unit is better then the other. Dosent matter if its Mac vs. PC or 360 vs PS3 or PS2 vc GC. would you not say its all based upons ones on experience and personal likes? If so, then this all still holds 100% water

plinkoman

Mar 26, 2006, 06:43 PM

i would assume reading that, there is plenty of explanations on why the lack of a good system was there but would you not say, exeprience is due to opinion? There is no true way to say one unit is better then the other. Dosent matter if its Mac vs. PC or 360 vs PS3 or PS2 vc GC. would you not say its all based upons ones on experience and personal likes? If so, then this all still holds 100% water

if you agree console choice is dictated by personal preference, then why this thread, why all the hostility toward nintendo and its fans? why not say, "i prefer x system" and leave it at that?

illegalprelude

Mar 26, 2006, 06:46 PM

if you agree console choice is dictated by personal preference, then why this thread, why all the hostility toward nintendo and its fans? why not say, "i prefer x system" and leave it at that?

same question then should be asked across all other posts correct?
Xbox 360...just another reason to hate MS.
or
PS3 Bonus! - In-game Ads! The innovation just doesn't stop...

ahh yes, and to those saying, this article is just bashing and so forth, so its wrong for the article to bash (again, witch i didnt write) but then its oke for you the bash the poster, say grammer error, i refuse to talk to him cause of spelling and so forth, thats not double standards

Dagless

Mar 26, 2006, 06:48 PM

same question then should be asked across all other posts correct?
Xbox 360...just another reason to hate MS.
or
PS3 Bonus! - In-game Ads! The innovation just doesn't stop...

360 thread- had continuous dud 360's

PS3 thread- OP said the title was tongue in cheek. but did refer to something to do with some head of Sony saying they're all for adverts. Did Nintendo or MS say the same thing? no (though not sure on MS).

:rolleyes:

illegalprelude

Mar 26, 2006, 06:50 PM

360 thread- had continuous dud 360's

PS3 thread- OP said the title was tongue in cheek. but did refer to something to do with some head of Sony saying they're all for adverts. Did Nintendo or MS say the same thing? no (though not sure on MS).

:rolleyes:

so the heads of Nintendo never said they didnt believe in adding DVD player content or online gameplay was going no where? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

plinkoman

Mar 26, 2006, 07:04 PM

same question then should be asked across all other posts correct?
Xbox 360...just another reason to hate MS.
or
PS3 Bonus! - In-game Ads! The innovation just doesn't stop...

ahh yes, and to those saying, this article is just bashing and so forth, so its wrong for the article to bash (again, witch i didnt write) but then its oke for you the bash the poster, say grammer error, i refuse to talk to him cause of spelling and so forth, thats not double standards

have you been reading anything? first, that 360 thread is about an actual 360 user(this thread would be quite different if you actually used nintendo products and hated them) who was rightfully mad at receiving 5 dud units. second, i haven't bashed you, nor have i mentioned anything about your spelling or grammar. i find it very disrespectful to many people on these forums the way you regard nintendo and its fans. you don't like nintendo? thats fine by me. stop little short of insulting everyone who uses and prefers a nintendo system? then i have a problem.

quite frankly, you are very rude and disrespectful of the other members here. that is not the purpose of these forums. if you can't weight the pros and cons of each console, accept that users might have preferences other then your own and are not stupid because of that, and engage in a civilized debate about them, then you should go someplace else.

TheMonarch

Mar 26, 2006, 07:07 PM

This thread should have died a long time ago.

Do not feed the troll.

illegalprelude

Mar 26, 2006, 07:11 PM

have you been reading anything? first, that 360 thread is about an actual 360 user(this thread would be quite different if you actually used nintendo products and hated them) who was rightfully mad at receiving 5 dud units. second, i haven't bashed you, nor have i mentioned anything about your spelling or grammar. i find it very disrespectful to many people on these forums the way you regard nintendo and its fans. you don't like nintendo? thats fine by me. stop little short of insulting everyone who uses and prefers a nintendo system? then i have a problem.

quite frankly, you are very rude and disrespectful of the other members here. that is not the purpose of these forums. if you can't weight the pros and cons of each console, accept that users might have preferences other then your own and are not stupid because of that, and engage in a civilized debate about them, then you should go someplace else.

so you prolly just didnt read over the last post or the entire article clearly did you?

Plus the origin of the problem is not the point. One can hate a system due to their games or their issues, or their stratigic issues or its lack of X or B. There are plenty of cons listed there for, its an opinion that it makes the system or brand worthless, therefor, if one person believes in it, it holds water.

Rude and disrespectful? Please now, again, its ok to bash something ur against and dont tell me bashing of the other systems isnt going on or your just closing your own eyes.

I have no problem with my post what so ever. Its not that I care what somebody uses or what somebody dosent. But its funny to see people have such double standards and ill use shock to prove it. Hence, the hissy thrown over the last 2 days.

illegalprelude

Mar 26, 2006, 07:13 PM

This thread should have died a long time ago.

Do not feed the troll.

oh I agree. If somebody dosent like something, no need to put it in their face that the thing they like is lacking. Lets just say, that should be used across then, not just for something that some might like so its ok to bash one thing and the other

plinkoman

Mar 26, 2006, 07:23 PM

so you prolly just didnt read over the last post or the entire article clearly did you?

no, thats right, i didn't read anything, i just magically know what has been going on this thread, and was magically able to reply to the last post, without actually knowing the content of said post. :rolleyes:

Plus the origin of the problem is not the point. One can hate a system due to their games or their issues, or their stratigic issues or its lack of X or B. There are plenty of cons listed there for, its an opinion that it makes the system or brand worthless, therefor, if one person believes in it, it holds water.

yes, so again, if you agree that everyones opinion is worth something, then why are you here insulting people for their opinions?

Rude and disrespectful? Please now, again, its ok to bash something ur against and dont tell me bashing of the other systems isnt going on or your just closing your own eyes.

first of all, I haven't participated in any such bashing(i believe this is my third time pointing this out), though i am well aware it does go on.
second, just because other people bash other consoles, you feel the need to do it your self?

I have no problem with my post what so ever. Its not that I care what somebody uses or what somebody dosent. But its funny to see people have such double standards and ill use shock to prove it. Hence, the hissy thrown over the last 2 days.

i will not deny that some of the people who bash sony and microsoft are among those "throwing a hissy" at you over this post, but purposefully starting a thread like this, intentionally provoking many people here, and then laughing at what they have to say? yea, we can definitely tell you've taken the high road here. :rolleyes: