Final Cut Studio Goes Universal

[MacRumors]

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Final Cut Studio 5.1, consisting of Final Cut Pro 5, Soundtrack Pro, Motion 2, and DVD Studio Pro 4, is now available as a Universal application, native on both Intel and PowerPC Macs.

New copies of Final Cut Studio 5.1 cost $1,299 USD. Upgrade pricing (from Apple's crossgrade (http://www.apple.com/universal/crossgrade/) page): $699 upgrade from Final Cut Pro 1, Final Cut Pro 2, or Final Cut Pro 3; $199 upgrade from Final Cut Pro 4 or HD, Motion 2, Soundtrack Pro, DVD Studio Pro 4, or Production Suite; $99 upgrade from Final Cut Pro 5; $49 upgrade from Final Cut Studio.

Apple's pro media applications have been packaged as Final Cut Studio since Final Cut Pro 5 was announced (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2005/04/20050417153716.shtml) in April last year.

Final Cut Express HD is not yet Universal. According to the online Apple Store, "The next feature release of Final Cut Express will be a Universal application, which will run natively on both PowerPC- and Intel-based Mac computers."

[Kingsly]

Finally! yay!
*checks credit card balance*

[cashmoney]

Omg! Finally! This Is Awesome News For Me And My Macbook Pro~

[princealfie]

Okay, now where's Aperture Universal???

[puckhead193]

yay now when will they updated final cut studio?

[the Helix]

Okay, now where's Aperture Universal???

Where the heck is Aperture anyway!!!???!!

[FF_productions]

I wonder how those MacBook Pro's are going to run final cut pro...

[ph0rce]

Does this mean a Mac Pro soon :) now that i would get :)

[ropbo]

So does that mean "no finalcut 6 + no support for Canon 24f + no support for HDV 720 24p" at NAB 2006 ?

http://cinepopulis.com

[FF_productions]

Does this mean a Mac Pro soon :) now that i would get :)

Nope, its going to be a while until the new PowerMac comes out..

[Kingsly]

Okay, now where's Aperture Universal???
Aperture has been universal for a while. Its is a Download via software update.

yay now when will they updated final cut studio?
Final Cut Studio 5.1, consisting of Final Cut Pro 5, Soundtrack Pro, Motion 2, and DVD Studio Pro 4, is now available as a Universal application, native on both Intel and PowerPC Macs.
;)

[m-dogg]

Good news for those waiting.

But the way it was rolled out makes me think there won't be any event in the next several days, or you'd think they'd wait to announce it then?

[Spanky Deluxe]

Well, Apple have sticked to their word, March '06. Why does 'March' always mean the end of March?!!

[Doctor Q]

So does that mean "no finalcut 6 + no support for Canon 24f + no support for HDV 720 24p" at NAB 2006 ?I don't think this negates the previous rumors (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/01/20060104145624.shtml). Work on version 6 could very well have been going on simultaneously with the work to create Final Cut Studio 5 Universal.

[boncellis]

Good news for those waiting.

But the way it was rolled out makes me think there won't be any event in the next several days, or you'd think they'd wait to announce it then?

I tend to agree. This and the lack of invites (as far as I know) would suggest that if there is an event planned for the anniversary, it has to be for later next month. There are 6 days left and still no word--now this?

Oh well.

[DOUGHNUT]

Does this mean a Mac Pro soon :) now that i would get :)

Mac Pro is expected to be announced during WWDC in August

[p0intblank]

I'm not a FCP user, but this is great news... another step towards completing the Intel transition. :cool:

[LeeTom]

Does anyone know if the $199 upgrade from Final Cut Pro 4 would apply to the Academic version of Final Cut Pro 4? Specifically, I bought the Apple Production Suite, which included Final Cut Pro 4, DVD Studio Pro, and others.

ANSWER: YES! If you look at the PDF, it allows for Academic upgrades.
SWEET!

[twoodcc]

I'm not a FCP user, but this is great news... another step towards completing the Intel transition. :cool:

i agree. this is very good news (even though FCP is too advanced for me)

[puckhead193]

the accidemic version is the same, it just costs less so i think you should be able to upgrade ;)

[Xax]

aperture is not universal yet.
so will apple be starting to ship out those final cut cd/dvds now? anyone got them shipped already?

[locutus]

Will it work fine on the new Mac mini core duo?
WIll the core dou mini's graphic chip will be enough for motion?

[princealfie]

Yeah I know that aperture in a box is not universal not an update. I would like it fresh out the box

[QCassidy352]

how exactly are people rating this as negative?? this is GREAT news.

[Doctor Q]

the accidemic version is the same, it just costs less so i think you should be able to upgrade ;)Final Cut Studio 5.1 Academic is $699, but I don't know that they have academic upgrade pricing.

Final Cut Express HD Academic is $149.

[milo]

So are any of these apps upgrades, or are they exactly the same, just ported?

I'm wondering most about Soundtrack Pro. The original version is pretty lousy, it's hurting for an upgrade real bad.

[Lord Blackadder]

Keep those Universal binaries rolling......you hear, Adobe?

The sooner we get everything universal the better....I'm looking forward to seeing how the new Intel Macs handle this software.

[pcp_ip]

Aperture has been universal for a while. Its is a Download via software update.

;)


Aperture is not Universal. 1.1 is due "in March" and is the first Universal version of Aperture

http://www.apple.com/aperture/update.html

The catch-22 is that Aperture 1.1 needs the RAW conversion updates to Core Image in 10.4.6 to support new cameras. 10.4.6 doesn't seem ready for primetime yet.

[neilio]

Aperture has been universal for a while. Its is a Download via software update.
;)

Er, no. No it isn't.

[arkmannj]

The Academic versions are available for upgrade at the same prices as Retail versions.
(Example: Motion 2 Academic costs $199 to upgrade to Universal FCP studio)

now the question is, are they upgrading the academic versions to Academic studio or to retail studio.

I looked up the serial number they put on my order and it appears to be the same number as the retail upgrade.

I also wonder what will come packaged in the upgade, will it just be the disks
or will it be the whole box with printed manuals etc... ?

Edit: The status on my upgrade order changed from "Backordered" to "Ordered". (lastnight was "backordered", now is "ordered") :)

[milo]

What's the source on this anyway? Apple hasn't updated any info on their site, no press release, no report of this story on any of the other apple rumor sites.

Are we sure MR didn't jump the gun on something some guy sent in?

[ImAlwaysRight]

What's the source on this anyway? Apple hasn't updated any info on their site, no press release, no report of this story on any of the other apple rumor sites.

Are we sure MR didn't jump the gun on something some guy sent in?
I guess that would mean Final Cut Studio 5.1 is NOT AVAILABLE as of yet and the MR article is incorrect. :(

[macrumors12345]

Mac Pro is expected to be announced during WWDC in August

Why the heck is everyone ASSUMING Apple will go with a stupid name like Mac Pro?!? The purported reason for changing from Powerbook to MacBook Pro was that they wanted Mac in the name of all their computer products.

"Powerbook" does not contain "Mac" -> "MacBook Pro"
"iMac G5" contains Mac -> "iMac Core Duo"
"Mac mini" contains Mac -> "Mac mini"

"iBook" does not contain "Mac" -> ???? (most likely "MacBook")

Question: Does the name "PowerMac" contain "Mac" in it?? The answer is left for the reader to determine.

[arynjon]

Just go to the apple store online and look under apple software. If you click on it, it will take you to the description page. It says that it is a Universal app in version 5.1. It ships within 24 hours.

[NYVideoGuy]

What's the source on this anyway? Apple hasn't updated any info on their site, no press release, no report of this story on any of the other apple rumor sites.

Are we sure MR didn't jump the gun on something some guy sent in?
Well my order status has changed from "back-ordered" to "ordered" today, so I think this is accurate. I can't wait !:D

[applemax]

Why the heck is everyone ASSUMING Apple will go with a stupid name like Mac Pro?!? The purported reason for changing from Powerbook to MacBook Pro was that they wanted Mac in the name of all their computer products.

"Powerbook" does not contain "Mac" -> "MacBook Pro"
"iMac G5" contains Mac -> "iMac Core Duo"
"Mac mini" contains Mac -> "Mac mini"

"iBook" does not contain "Mac" -> ???? (most likely "MacBook")

Question: Does the name "PowerMac" contain "Mac" in it?? The answer is left for the reader to determine.

Not strictly true... That's the official reason, but it's blindingly obvious that the real reason is that, as Steve said, "We're done with power!" Power PC processing that is...

[digitalbiker]

So Apple is charging $50.00 to users who already have the most recent version but who need a universal binary version for their new machine.

Tacky! :rolleyes:

Apple should be giving away universal binary conversions for free. After all this is to promote the sales of new Mac intel machines. I can see third parties charging for universal binary conversions but Apple should be giving them away.

The Apple user was willing to step out and risk their cash on gen. 1 hardware, gen 1 OS on intel, and now Apple piles on with charges for universal versions of their own apps to registered users.

Sad Apple! :(

P.S. Where is Woz when you need him. He had a heart.

[milo]

So Apple is charging $50.00 to users who already have the most recent version but who need a universal binary version for their new machine.

Tacky! :rolleyes:

Have you been living under a rock? This was announced months ago.

It's worse than that. If you're running one of the single apps, they're not selling them individually any more. So if you need the intel version, you're looking at $199 to get a port of the app, not even an updated version. If you have an academic copy, that's probably more than you paid in the first place!

[amac4me]

Now that Final Cut Studio is available as a Universal Binary, I would expect Professionals to now make the move to MacBook Pros and possibly, Core Duo based iMacs.

[digitalbiker]

Have you been living under a rock? This was announced months ago.

It's worse than that. If you're running one of the single apps, they're not selling them individually any more. So if you need the intel version, you're looking at $199 to get a port of the app, not even an updated version. If you have an academic copy, that's probably more than you paid in the first place!

What's the deal?

I thought ol'wonderboy SJ showed us that if the program was coded in Xcode then it was a simple button click or two to generate a conversion.

Apple can't have it both ways! Either it is easy and should be supplied free of charge or it is time consuming / difficult and requires fees.

Even Microsoft which everyone spouts off on this site about being money grubbing, sell their xboxes at a small loss to help establish the market.

Apple has 8 billion in cash in the bank, completely changes their hardware platform at the drop of a hat, and still charges it's users for universal binary conversions.

Pathetic! Bring back the old Apple.

[ZorPrime]

Final Cut Studio 5.1 Academic is $699, but I don't know that they have academic upgrade pricing.

Final Cut Express HD Academic is $149.

Apple's academic prices are alright but there are better academic deals out there, I got FCP HD Studio from the university I instruct video production for $499USD. :cool:

[ipacmm]

Well it is nice to see the pro apps go universal, but I personally would have liked to have seen a new version of the applications...

[bousozoku]

how exactly are people rating this as negative?? this is GREAT news.

It got a comment out of you, didn't it? :D

This is a great thing for sales. It should convince a lot of people who use a laptop computer already that they can go with the newest and get a performance boost.

[Lord Blackadder]

how exactly are people rating this as negative?? this is GREAT news.

Giving threads a negative rating is the "gateway drug" of the budding internet troll. First they rate threads negative, then they feel the need to post something asinine and move on from there. :rolleyes:

[milo]

I thought ol'wonderboy SJ showed us that if the program was coded in Xcode then it was a simple button click or two to generate a conversion.

Apple can't have it both ways! Either it is easy and should be supplied free of charge or it is time consuming / difficult and requires fees.

Even Microsoft which everyone spouts off on this site about being money grubbing, sell their xboxes at a small loss to help establish the market.


I assume Steve's explanation would be that they are charging for the disks and possibly manuals, if they are included. And they are allowing users of one app to upgrade to the full suite for dirt cheap. Although now they're forcing that upgrade since they don't sell the apps or upgrades separately.

Microsoft doesn't sell xbox at a loss to get market share, they do it because they make up the loss on game sales. That's not analagous to this situation.

[MacRumorsReader]

But then there are people like me who are glad they waited as long as they did.

I am still using FCP 3 and DVDSP 1.5 and Soundtrack Pro. I purchased these separately and now for $200, I can get the shooting match!

Way cool.

[yoak]

that´s good (and expected) news. I only wish FCE would come soon after. I only need FC for editing showreel etc. and I´m not prepeared to buy the whole Studio, when the canteen would suffice;)

[MazaGRANDEman]

Good news indeed, nice to see that the universal pro apps are starting to roll out.

Have guys checked Apple stock? Is it because the upgraded Cinema or what, but it's rising for change!

[treblah]

Pathetic! Bring back the old Apple.

Effin A! Apple sucks! Microsoft and Adobe are done with their one-click-in-Xcode change! How come it takes Apple so long! And they aren't charging some stupid "cross-grade" to their users! Oh, wait… :rolleyes:

[Kingsly]

Aperture is not Universal. 1.1 is due "in March" and is the first Universal version of Aperture

http://www.apple.com/aperture/update.html

The catch-22 is that Aperture 1.1 needs the RAW conversion updates to Core Image in 10.4.6 to support new cameras. 10.4.6 doesn't seem ready for primetime yet.
I feel really dumb. I could've sworn I read that it had gone universal just after MWSF.

[sigamy]

Man, this is kiling me...I can upgrade to FCS Universal for $199 because I have Soundtrack Pro. I guess I should have waited to tell the wife "no more spending!"

I don't really need all the apps or the pro level apps beyound Soundtrack Pro but this deal is just too good.

[digitalbiker]

Microsoft doesn't sell xbox at a loss to get market share, they do it because they make up the loss on game sales. That's not analagous to this situation.

Sure it is! Apple sells Intel Macs. They can make up for the loss of universal binary conversion fees by getting more users to upgrade to Intel Mac hardware.

But no such luck. They have to get greedy and stick it to existing paying users.

Effin A! Apple sucks! Microsoft and Adobe are done with their one-click-in-Xcode change! How come it takes Apple so long! And they aren't charging some stupid "cross-grade" to their users! Oh, wait… :rolleyes:

I understand third party's charging for universal binary conversions because they didn't know the change to intel was coming and they don't sell Intel Mac hardware.

Apple made the change in hardware that required software conversion not the third parties. Also Apple makes up for conversion costs by selling more Intel Mac hardware to upgrading users.

[dmcgann]

Good news indeed, nice to see that the universal pro apps are starting to roll out.

Have guys checked Apple stock? Is it because the upgraded Cinema or what, but it's rising for change!


I guess its because of the ipod update!! an ipod volume cap will prevent lawsuits of possibly millions!!

[mutantteenager]

Will it work fine on the new Mac mini core duo?
WIll the core dou mini's graphic chip will be enough for motion?

I did the Mac Expo in the UK running Motion when it first came out on a 17" with 2GB RAM and I think a 64MB Graphics card, and it chugged! Motion and Aperture are demons for the graphics card, if Motion is what you want to do, get a different machine, with a better graphics card.

FCP is less demanding on the graphics card. Hope this helps:)

[Max on Macs]

It ticks me off when people rate this kind of thing as negative. I mean, how the hell does that work? I think voting should only be available to members who have X number of posts to prevent the people who are determined to vote against anything pro-Apple that they can find.

[milo]

Sure it is! Apple sells Intel Macs. They can make up for the loss of universal binary conversion fees by getting more users to upgrade to Intel Mac hardware.

It doesn't quite work that way. Since the update is universal, it runs on PPC as well. If it was free, PPC users could order it and load it on their machines just for the sake of having it, even though it wouldn't make a difference. Don't forget, even if they eat the cost of updating the code, it still costs them money to press the four dvd's and ship them along with any documentation.

[macEfan]

good, they finally made it work with intelmacs.... that a good move for apple, now adobe has to do the same.

[Rustus Maximus]

Have you been living under a rock? This was announced months ago.

It's worse than that. If you're running one of the single apps, they're not selling them individually any more. So if you need the intel version, you're looking at $199 to get a port of the app, not even an updated version. If you have an academic copy, that's probably more than you paid in the first place!

What's the deal?

I thought ol'wonderboy SJ showed us that if the program was coded in Xcode then it was a simple button click or two to generate a conversion.

Apple can't have it both ways! Either it is easy and should be supplied free of charge or it is time consuming / difficult and requires fees.

Even Microsoft which everyone spouts off on this site about being money grubbing, sell their xboxes at a small loss to help establish the market.

Apple has 8 billion in cash in the bank, completely changes their hardware platform at the drop of a hat, and still charges it's users for universal binary conversions.

Pathetic! Bring back the old Apple.

Well, if you are already running FCP 5 then it's only $99 and that is if you are upgrading from a standalone version of FCP. To crossgrade from a present version of Studio it reads to be only $49.

I believe too that if there are any minor changes or bug fixes they will be released in a free update as they always are for PowerPC runners.

On the note of Apple being greedy. Early adapters of the Mac with Intel inside did so with full knowledge that there would be few if any native programs at the moment but that they were coming. It would be a little naive to assume that these native apps will be supplied to you free of charge when they do become available, no matter how "one button easy" they are programmed.

This is a new platform, not an update of PowerPC. The Apple world is changing again, just as it did with OS X. You are going to need these crossgrades now or later, it's up to you. $49 dollars at the minimum for this set of apps is absolutely paltry. If you guys are sneezing at even $200 for this set, you're being ridiculous. You should be making that back in a heartbeat if you are using this professionally.

[bousozoku]

Effin A! Apple sucks! Microsoft and Adobe are done with their one-click-in-Xcode change! How come it takes Apple so long! And they aren't charging some stupid "cross-grade" to their users! Oh, wait… :rolleyes:

Good thing you're an end user and not a software developer. It shields you from the complexity.

I feel really dumb. I could've sworn I read that it had gone universal just after MWSF.

They announced that Aperture was going Universal, not that it was finished. They also mentioned that it would be a free update through the Software Update utility.

[steve_hill4]

Apple were going to be dropping non Universal apps soon weren't they? I think that with Adobe announcing no CS3 until 2007 and no universal binary of CS2, ever, Apple are upping the stakes.

We know the PowerMac replacement will be coming this year, most probably at WWDC in August, so apple just want to say to developers that they are leading the way and encourage the few that haven't yet to do so.

[digitalbiker]

It doesn't quite work that way. Since the update is universal, it runs on PPC as well. If it was free, PPC users could order it and load it on their machines just for the sake of having it, even though it wouldn't make a difference. Don't forget, even if they eat the cost of updating the code, it still costs them money to press the four dvd's and ship them along with any documentation.

I think that is a pretty lame reason to be charging for universal binaries, that's all. Most PPC users are not going to need bloated UB versions on their machines when they already have native versions.

I can understand charging if their are actual improvements to the software but if it were just a conversion then I think Apple should supply those for no cost. Whatever small loss Apple accrues they should more than make up for in good will toward users and new upgrade sales of Intel Macs.

[jacg]

Does anyone know if the $199 upgrade from Final Cut Pro 4 would apply to the Academic version of Final Cut Pro 4? Specifically, I bought the Apple Production Suite, which included Final Cut Pro 4, DVD Studio Pro, and others.

ANSWER: YES! If you look at the PDF, it allows for Academic upgrades.
SWEET!

I can prove it. I upgraded my FCP4 (edu) and it's on its way. At this rate it may arrive a day after my iMac!

[jacg]

It's worse than that. If you're running one of the single apps, they're not selling them individually any more. So if you need the intel version, you're looking at $199 to get a port of the app, not even an updated version. If you have an academic copy, that's probably more than you paid in the first place!

On the other hand, I bought FCP4 a long while ago for the academic price and never thought I'd be able to afford an upgrade again, let alone get DVD SP, Motion, etc. Now I get the whole lot for £139. If this keeps me going for another three years that seems like a good deal.

I see what you're saying about people who just use one of the pro apps. I guess they must have done some research and decided that this was a very small percentage of users?

[digitalbiker]

On the note of Apple being greedy. Early adapters of the Mac with Intel inside did so with full knowledge that there would be few if any native programs at the moment but that they were coming. It would be a little naive to assume that these native apps will be supplied to you free of charge when they do become available, no matter how "one button easy" they are programmed.

This is a new platform, not an update of PowerPC. The Apple world is changing again, just as it did with OS X. You are going to need these crossgrades now or later, it's up to you. $49 dollars at the minimum for this set of apps is absolutely paltry. If you guys are sneezing at even $200 for this set, you're being ridiculous. You should be making that back in a heartbeat if you are using this professionally.

Look I agree that this is not a lot of money on one particular Apple app. But wouldn't Apple benefit more by supplying an already licensed user of a current app a free universal binary conversion.

It promotes more goodwill to the customer. It doesn't cost Apple much and it makes upgrading to a Intel Mac more attractive. Why nickel and dime a loyal user to death with conversion fees when ultimately you want him to move to the new hardware anyway?

That is all I am saying. Sure you can be jerks with your customers, charge them for iWork conversions, Apereture conversions, FCP Studio conversions, etc. Then 6 months later you can turn around and release new upgrades and charge them again. That way you can hope to get two fees out of your customer in a 6 month period with only one upgrade.

Apple used to supply things like this for free. That is what made them seem a little better than the average corporation. But those days are gone.

[milo]

I think that is a pretty lame reason to be charging for universal binaries, that's all. Most PPC users are not going to need bloated UB versions on their machines when they already have native versions.

I can understand charging if their are actual improvements to the software but if it were just a conversion then I think Apple should supply those for no cost. Whatever small loss Apple accrues they should more than make up for in good will toward users and new upgrade sales of Intel Macs.

Many users don't understand what UB means and some might send for a free upgrade whether they need it or not. Or people who plan on getting an intel box in a few months who go ahead and get the install disks just to be ready. With the upgrade to the full FCP, they probably are selling quite a few to PPC users who just want upgraded versions or additional apps. The people who are getting the least out of this are those who are just crossgrading, and it costs them $49. Everyone else IS getting upgraded software, and most likely new manuals to go with it.

Look I agree that this is not a lot of money on one particular Apple app. But wouldn't Apple benefit more by supplying an already licensed user of a current app a free universal binary conversion.

It promotes more goodwill to the customer. It doesn't cost Apple much and it makes upgrading to a Intel Mac more attractive. Why nickel and dime a loyal user to death with conversion fees when ultimately you want him to move to the new hardware anyway?

That is all I am saying. Sure you can be jerks with your customers, charge them for iWork conversions, Apereture conversions, FCP Studio conversions, etc. Then 6 months later you can turn around and release new upgrades and charge them again. That way you can hope to get two fees out of your customer in a 6 month period with only one upgrade.

Apple used to supply things like this for free. That is what made them seem a little better than the average corporation. But those days are gone.

First, it's four apps, not one app.

Second, iWork didn't charge for UB, it was a new version that included a new app. Third, Aperature is a free upgrade to UB. Apple does supply things like this for free in some cases, it just depends on the app or apps.

Don't forget, only users of the full FCS 5 suite are paying for just UB. Many other people are getting a bargain price on an upgrade to the full suite.

[digitalbiker]

First, it's four apps, not one app.

Second, iWork didn't charge for UB, it was a new version that included a new app. Third, Aperature is a free upgrade to UB. Apple does supply things like this for free in some cases, it just depends on the app or apps.

Don't forget, only users of the full FCS 5 suite are paying for just UB. Many other people are getting a bargain price on an upgrade to the full suite.

Well it is good to know that they aren't charging for Aperature conversions. But are you sure about the iWork UB?

I have the latest release of iWork but for the PPC. It is the latest version released but it isn't UB. If I were to buy a new macbook pro would I be able to download a free UB version through software update?

[steve_hill4]

First, it's four apps, not one app.

Second, iWork didn't charge for UB, it was a new version that included a new app. Third, Aperature is a free upgrade to UB. Apple does supply things like this for free in some cases, it just depends on the app or apps.

Don't forget, only users of the full FCS 5 suite are paying for just UB. Many other people are getting a bargain price on an upgrade to the full suite.
Will the update to 1.1 for existing owners be a full universal binary? I am not sure on the full details of the update and/or upgrade packages available.

As for iWork, even if we did have iWork running under Rosetta, it wouldn't be as much a difference as Aperture. On these dual core portables, iWork '05 under Rosetta and iWork '06 native aren't noticeably different. '05 on a PowerBook and '06 on a MBP, again, not as much difference as some would think. it's the Pro apps that need the support.

[milo]

Well it is good to know that they aren't charging for Aperature conversions. But are you sure about the iWork UB?

I have the latest release of iWork but for the PPC. It is the latest version released but it isn't UB. If I were to buy a new macbook pro would I be able to download a free UB version through software update?

iWork 06 was released as a UB. On your computer, get info shows PPC?

Will the update to 1.1 for existing owners be a full universal binary? I am not sure on the full details of the update and/or upgrade packages available.

It's free, and it's UB.

"Aperture 1.1—the first Universal version of Aperture—offers increased computer and camera compatibility. The upgrade allows photographers to run Aperture on both PowerPC-based and the new Intel-based Macintosh computers, including MacBook Pro.

Developed in consultation with pro photographers, Aperture 1.1—scheduled for release in March—will be available for $499. Current owners of Aperture 1.0 can upgrade to Aperture 1.1 via Software Update."

[rdbishop]

Apple has 2 more days to get the Aperture 1.1 UB update out and not miss the target date. Hopefully they won't let us down like they did with the 1.0 release... otherwise I am going to stick with Lightroom.

Mini Core Duo, Powerbook G4 1.67ghz

[Platform]

Yeah.....now Aperture then CS3 and I'm done.....wait Rapidweaver, Office and Shake too ;)

[ChrisA]

I thought ol'wonderboy SJ showed us that if the program was coded in Xcode then it was a simple button click or two to generate a conversion.

Apple can't have it both ways!

So the logical conclusion is that the software was not done in Xcode. Or more likely, not completely in Xcode.

I think FCP has a very long history that began outside of Apple. It's very likely there were parts of it not so simple to port. I would not even doubt there might have been some PPC assembly language in there. Who outside of Apple would know?

[ModestPenguin]

Why the heck is everyone ASSUMING Apple will go with a stupid name like Mac Pro?!? The purported reason for changing from Powerbook to MacBook Pro was that they wanted Mac in the name of all their computer products.

"Powerbook" does not contain "Mac" -> "MacBook Pro"
"iMac G5" contains Mac -> "iMac Core Duo"
"Mac mini" contains Mac -> "Mac mini"

"iBook" does not contain "Mac" -> ???? (most likely "MacBook")

Question: Does the name "PowerMac" contain "Mac" in it?? The answer is left for the reader to determine.

agh that totally bothers me as well, Steveo even said that they were changing the names of products to all have the word Mac in it. PowerMac...Mac...iMac...MAC....the only other name left to change is the iBook. It will probobly be MacBook....
/rant

[(L)]

Will it work fine on the new Mac mini core duo?
WIll the core dou mini's graphic chip will be enough for motion?

I would say no. The minimum specs seem to qualify the mini, but then the whole integrated graphics isn't listed as compatible with motion. (http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/motion/specs.html)

Anyway, I wouldn't try it. "Work fine" should not mean "just barely sputters along," so MBP at the moment I guess.

[Chupa Chupa]

How pissed are "crossgraders" going to be plunking down $49 today if Apple announces FCP 6 in a few weeks @ NAB. I noticed the crossgrade form says the crossgrade expires in Dec. So looks like all FCP owners get one crack at a check upgrade. Seems like it's worth it to wait a few more weeks to see what happens at NAB.

[nbame786]

Aperture has been universal for a while. Its is a Download via software update.



;)


no it hasnt, if it has then apparently i missed something ... and by missed something i mean i'm positive it's not out

[iGary]

It's not out. We're the red-headed stepchildren of the Apple pro-app world. :D

[Kingsly]

They announced that Aperture was going Universal, not that it was finished. They also mentioned that it would be a free update through the Software Update utility.
Good, that makes me feel a little better. I was beginning to think I was loosing my mind... wait... never mind, that happened while ago.

[boombashi]

How pissed are "crossgraders" going to be plunking down $49 today if Apple announces FCP 6 in a few weeks @ NAB. I noticed the crossgrade form says the crossgrade expires in Dec. So looks like all FCP owners get one crack at a check upgrade. Seems like it's worth it to wait a few more weeks to see what happens at NAB.

You honestly think they are going to recode and update their software, then immediately upgrade it? That would be insane.

[milo]

I would say no. The minimum specs seem to qualify the mini, but then the whole integrated graphics isn't listed as compatible with motion. (http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/motion/specs.html)


I wouldn't put much stock in the system requirements on their website. They don't even mention the intel machines at all. I assume there will be an update when they make an official announcement.

[(L)]

What's the deal?

I thought ol'wonderboy SJ showed us that if the program was coded in Xcode then it was a simple button click or two to generate a conversion.

Apple can't have it both ways! Either it is easy and should be supplied free of charge or it is time consuming / difficult and requires fees.

Even Microsoft which everyone spouts off on this site about being money grubbing, sell their xboxes at a small loss to help establish the market.

Apple has 8 billion in cash in the bank, completely changes their hardware platform at the drop of a hat, and still charges it's users for universal binary conversions.

Pathetic! Bring back the old Apple.

What the heck is this? If you have the old versions, you don't necessarily NEED the new one. Nobody's forcing an upgrade. If you DO need it, they should be able to charge you exactly the price you will pay. That is just how capitalism and trade between responsible people works...if you think you need your plumbing filtered, Joe the Plumber will work it for you...for a fee you will pay. If you want the newest version of FC software, get a job and pay for it. Apple has no need to "establish the market," and if you are correct in saying MS sold xbox's at a loss to do such, honestly, that's mostly a problem of their overshooting the price consumers are willing to pay. $700 xbox, for example, would not sell all that great, so compromise by selling it cheaper and trying to make it up later with other sales (games etc). Doesn't sound like all that smart a business. (If MS had hit the xbox cost just right, they'd have more profit, to put it another way.)

Seriously, what were you expecting? Everyone gets a free Intel Mac and then free upgrades of software BASED ON NEED. From those according to ability to those according to need.... Pathetic. "Apple can't have it both ways!"? To hell with that nonsense. If Apple can't make its product pricing decisions, instead tailoring to your kind based on your "need," it'd go bankrupt pretty quick. "Either it is easy and should be supplied free"...what the hell? Making FCS compatible with Intel obviously wasn't a simple matter of checking the box, as it was for some software. Some, not all- get used to it. And how easy/hard it is for Apple to do has no bearing on their ability to charge the price you will pay.

If you have a job, you'd understand what I'm saying. If you sold your product for free because you feel it's your public duty to supply it, you will soon no longer be able to supply it. If your employer wants you to work for free because he/she needs your service, as long as your employer feels it is "easy" for you, you'll be without a paycheck.

"At the drop of a hat"? Hardly. "8 billion dollars in the bank"? That is NOT YOUR MONEY, not yours to decide that they should operate at a loss for a while for the good of the public. I'll tell you what, if everything worked like that, there would soon be no public of which to speak.

It's 50 bucks for an upgrade, unless you have older versions, which means you would have paid as much anyway (your original purchase is for the software as is, not for unlimited free upgrades and the moon, if you ask for it). 50 bucks is small fry compared to 1300 to purchase it from scratch. 50 bucks is 50 bucks...it won't buy you 3 grams of gold. And what do you do? You start whining about how Apple's employees should work for free and for your "needs."

[digitalbiker]

What the heck is this? If you have the old versions, you don't necessarily NEED the new one. Nobody's forcing an upgrade. If you DO need it, they should be able to charge you exactly the price you will pay. That is just how capitalism and trade between responsible people works...if you think you need your plumbing filtered, Joe the Plumber will work it for you...for a fee you will pay. If you want the newest version of FC software, get a job and pay for it. Apple has no need to "establish the market," and if you are correct in saying MS sold xbox's at a loss to do such, honestly, that's mostly a problem of their overshooting the price consumers are willing to pay. $700 xbox, for example, would not sell all that great, so compromise by selling it cheaper and trying to make it up later with other sales (games etc). Doesn't sound like all that smart a business. (If MS had hit the xbox cost just right, they'd have more profit, to put it another way.)

Seriously, what were you expecting? Everyone gets a free Intel Mac and then free upgrades of software BASED ON NEED. From those according to ability to those according to need.... Pathetic. "Apple can't have it both ways!"? To hell with that nonsense. If Apple can't make its product pricing decisions, instead tailoring to your kind based on your "need," it'd go bankrupt pretty quick. "Either it is easy and should be supplied free"...what the hell? Making FCS compatible with Intel obviously wasn't a simple matter of checking the box, as it was for some software. Some, not all- get used to it. And how easy/hard it is for Apple to do has no bearing on their ability to charge the price you will pay.

If you have a job, you'd understand what I'm saying. If you sold your product for free because you feel it's your public duty to supply it, you will soon no longer be able to supply it. If your employer wants you to work for free because he/she needs your service, as long as your employer feels it is "easy" for you, you'll be without a paycheck.

"At the drop of a hat"? Hardly. "8 billion dollars in the bank"? That is NOT YOUR MONEY, not yours to decide that they should operate at a loss for a while for the good of the public. I'll tell you what, if everything worked like that, there would soon be no public of which to speak.

It's 50 bucks for an upgrade, unless you have older versions, which means you would have paid as much anyway (your original purchase is for the software as is, not for unlimited free upgrades and the moon, if you ask for it). 50 bucks is small fry compared to 1300 to purchase it from scratch. 50 bucks is 50 bucks...it won't buy you 3 grams of gold. And what do you do? You start whining about how Apple's employees should work for free and for your "needs."

You seem to miss the point completely. I am not saying Apple should supply software for free because of public duty or need.

I am saying that if you already own a PPC version of Apple's software (whatever it is) and Apple then creates a UB version of the same software. In otherwords, Apple makes no changes to the fuctionality, just a UB version, then Apple should provide it to the registered users of that software, who have bought a new intel mac.

Why not? The user benefits by getting a version that is native to intel. Apple benefits by by making intel hardware purchases more attractive to current PPC users, and Apple earns a lot of goodwill.

What does it cost Apple? A couple of CD's or DVD's, postage (something AOL puts out 3 times a year for promtional purposes to almost everyone in the US) and the recompile time to convert from PPC to UB.

Sorry if it get's your panties in a bind. I don't see what the big deal is. I am not saying Apple should give away their software to all users. I am saying that if you own the PPC version and Apple generates a UB version that is not an upgrade of the software, then they should allow those registered users free UB versions if they need it for a new intel mac.

You don't think the intel transition came at the drop of a hat? There wasn't one person anywhere who thought that Apple would go intel at the June WWDC.

iWork 06 was released as a UB. On your computer, get info shows PPC?


You're right! I didn't even realize it was Universal. I had ordered it for the new versions of the software and I didn't even pay attention to if it was universal or not.

[bigjohn]

How pissed are "crossgraders" going to be plunking down $49 today if Apple announces FCP 6 in a few weeks @ NAB. I noticed the crossgrade form says the crossgrade expires in Dec. So looks like all FCP owners get one crack at a check upgrade. Seems like it's worth it to wait a few more weeks to see what happens at NAB.

i was just going to say that... please everyone wait until an announcement at NAB before you make a purchasing decision on FCS

[Rod Rod]

So does that mean "no finalcut 6 + no support for Canon 24f + no support for HDV 720 24p" at NAB 2006 ?
Most likely, FCS 2 (Final Cut 6, Motion 3, DVDSP 5, Soundrack Pro 2, Compressor 3, etc) will support Canon 24f & HDV 720p24. They'll demo it at NAB for availability by the summer.

Apple has been consistent for the past five years in demonstrating new versions of Final Cut Pro at NAB. FCP 3 was in 2002. FCP 4 was in 2003. FCP HD (4.5) was in 2004. FCP 5 was in 2005. Of course 4.5 was a free upgrade from 4. So who knows, if we're lucky FCP 5.5 will include those special Canon and JVC formats, just as 4.5 added Panasonic's DVCProHD and (I think) the DVX100's 24p DV.

how exactly are people rating this as negative?? this is GREAT news.
I guess it's easier to be a crybaby on an online forum than otherwise.

Well it is nice to see the pro apps go universal, but I personally would have liked to have seen a new version of the applications...
So you've exhausted all the features of the existing applications? (just kidding) :)

I understand third party's charging for universal binary conversions because they didn't know the change to intel was coming and they don't sell Intel Mac hardware.
Dude, third party developers had a LOT of lead time. Apple even built Pentium-powered Power Macs for developers to do their thing. It was no surprise to developers that the Intel transition was happening.

How pissed are "crossgraders" going to be plunking down $49 today if Apple announces FCP 6 in a few weeks @ NAB. I noticed the crossgrade form says the crossgrade expires in Dec. So looks like all FCP owners get one crack at a check upgrade. Seems like it's worth it to wait a few more weeks to see what happens at NAB.
Caveat emptor, man. Besides that, a lot of professionals actually prefer sticking to an "older" version of Final Cut for a few months, and won't move their production to the current one until the major bugs have been worked out. No dot-0 release of Final Cut Pro has ever been usable in a production environment, at least going back to 3.0.

You honestly think they are going to recode and update their software, then immediately upgrade it? That would be insane.
Well, not if you consider what I just said above.

You don't think the intel transition came at the drop of a hat? There wasn't one person anywhere who thought that Apple would go intel at the June WWDC.
My Silicon Valley sources (as in people I know and not rumor websites) saw it coming way before Apple made the official announcement.

[digitalbiker]

\Dude, third party developers had a LOT of lead time. Apple even built Pentium-powered Power Macs for developers to do their thing. It was no surprise to developers that the Intel transition was happening.

My Silicon Valley sources (as in people I know and not rumor websites) saw it coming way before Apple made the official announcement.

The third party developers were told in June. No advanced announcement to anyone about the intel transition. The Pentium-powered Power-Macs were supplied after the announcement. Now since the announcement, the third party deveolpers have had time to produce UB versions of software but for some, like Adobe, it didn't make sense to work on a UB version of their current CS2 because the development of CS3 was already underway.

Oh yeah, Right! After the fact you profess knowing these things. Apple kept the Intel transition secret even within their own ranks. Many Apple engineers were shocked about the intel announcement. IBM was floored. But of course you and your inside sources knew. RIGHT:rolleyes:

[magi.sys]

So is Final Cut Studio 5.1 just an Univeral Binary version of Final Cut Studio? Or can we expect new features as well??? :confused:

[bigandy]

this new price for FCS 5.1 is really damn *****. £599. my uni's TV station just got an Alumni grant for £428.88 - the price of FCS 5.0, expecting it would be pretty much the same. and we're now screwed because we can't spend it on anything else and don't have a spare £180 odd lying around.

anyone rekon there's any chance of getting the student discounted FCS 5.0 somewhere around the UK, for the £428.88, so we can just order the crossgrade a little later? :confused:

[THX1139]

Now that Final Cut Studio is available as a Universal Binary, I would expect Professionals to now make the move to MacBook Pros and possibly, Core Duo based iMacs.


MacBook Pro? Maybe. But it's highly unlikely you will see a Professional trade in their G5 Quad to sit in front of an iMac. Especially when it's doubtful they will see a speed increase. Not that there is anything wrong with iMacs, I just don't see them as Professional machines. More like prosumer since they have limited capabilities for upgrading. Also, most serious professional are reluctant to jump on the newest technology unless they can justify the cost and potential downtime from transitional problems. I can see them buying a MacBook pro but only as a secondary machine to use on location or on the road.

[Rod Rod]

The third party developers were told in June.
It was June 6, 2005, in fact. So it's been almost 10 months. Ten months is a long time.
Oh yeah, Right! After the fact you profess knowing these things. Apple kept the Intel transition secret even within their own ranks. Many Apple engineers were shocked about the intel announcement. IBM was floored. But of course you and your inside sources knew. RIGHT:rolleyes:
Your point was that nobody knew, and my point is that there were many who did. It wasn't a top secret classified high level security clearance thing, in that engineers at other companies (such as Intel) knew about it. Those engineers have friends, and so do I, and some of them know each other.

IBM wasn't floored; they knew they were taking a risk with Apple as far as asking for development cost sharing, and sometimes when you play chicken you run off the cliff. IBM was feigning surprise for public consumption, in a face-saving maneuver. The writing was already on the wall.

Maybe you don't remember the 3GHz G5 prediction from 2003, which was supposed to happen sometime in 2004. Well, the Intel transition announcement came in the middle of 2005 and IBM could not have been surprised.

To further debunk your idea that the transition announcement completely shocked every third party developer, consider the fact that the CEO of Adobe had advance knowledge of it, as did Microsoft's Mac Business Unit and Wolfram Research. Adobe's CEO, Microsoft's Roz Ho and Wolfram Research officials participated in the WWDC 2005 keynote presentation.

Apple Press Release, June 6, 2005 (http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2005/jun/06intel.html)

CNET ran an article three days before WWDC 2005, and that article cited an earlier report in the Wall Street Journal to the same effect but the CNET article had other sources.

CNET article, June 3, 2005 (http://news.com.com/Apple+to+ditch+IBM,+switch+to+Intel+chips/2100-1006_3-5731398.html)

Below is a slide shown at WWDC 2003:

[MacNemesis]

Well it is good to know that they aren't charging for Aperature conversions. But are you sure about the iWork UB?

I have the latest release of iWork but for the PPC. It is the latest version released but it isn't UB. If I were to buy a new macbook pro would I be able to download a free UB version through software update?

iWork '06 is universal. If yours says PPC in get info then you've got a problem. As with iLife '06 it has existed only as Universal when it was released at MWSF.

[jimN]

this new price for FCS 5.1 is really damn *****. £599. my uni's TV station just got an Alumni grant for £428.88 - the price of FCS 5.0, expecting it would be pretty much the same. and we're now screwed because we can't spend it on anything else and don't have a spare £180 odd lying around.

anyone rekon there's any chance of getting the student discounted FCS 5.0 somewhere around the UK, for the £428.88, so we can just order the crossgrade a little later? :confused:

You could try here: http://www.krcs.co.uk/krcsedsoft.html

A google search for final cut studio and that price you gave produced that one. There were others on the list.

[jacg]

this new price for FCS 5.1 is really damn *****. £599. my uni's TV station just got an Alumni grant for £428.88 - the price of FCS 5.0, expecting it would be pretty much the same. and we're now screwed because we can't spend it on anything else and don't have a spare £180 odd lying around.

anyone rekon there's any chance of getting the student discounted FCS 5.0 somewhere around the UK, for the £428.88, so we can just order the crossgrade a little later? :confused:

I don't know if this is allowed but have you considered picking up an older version on ebay or something? The upgrade deal gives you a wide range of options. If you can get a good deal on one of these, maybe the upgrade will fit your budget?

Upgrade prices:
Final Cut Pro 5 £69
Final Cut Pro 4, HD (4.5) £139
Motion 2 £139
Soundtrack Pro £139
DVD Studio Pro 4 £139
Production Suite £139

For example: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Final-Cut-Pro-HD-4-5-Suite-Retail_W0QQitemZ9704562121QQcategoryZ189QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Good luck!

[cal6n]

this new price for FCS 5.1 is really damn *****. £599. my uni's TV station just got an Alumni grant for £428.88 - the price of FCS 5.0, expecting it would be pretty much the same. and we're now screwed because we can't spend it on anything else and don't have a spare £180 odd lying around.

anyone rekon there's any chance of getting the student discounted FCS 5.0 somewhere around the UK, for the £428.88, so we can just order the crossgrade a little later? :confused:

I don't know how you're seeing £599, but the Apple Store still shows £428.88 when accessed through my Uni's LAN. Maybe you're just seeing the standard educational discount. Try going accessing the site while on campus or phoning.

[mac-since-199o]

If only Apple would push Adobe a little more to get universal CS2/3 out soon.

[pgre]

Well it installed (Universal that is) on a Macbook P and seems to be running nicely.

Its not as fast as the Quad .. thankfully other wise I would have been cheesed off.. but it does seem to be quicker at finder type actions.. i.e. importing etc.

So for far so good.. the only down size is ts HUGE ! If I installed all the media then it was asking for about 32GB ! I managed to get it down to about 8.

[Multimedia]

So does that mean "no finalcut 6 + no support for Canon 24f + no support for HDV 720 24p" at NAB 2006 ?No. It simply means that the suite is now Universal. Most plans for the next year will be revealed Sunday April 23rd in Las Vegas. Patience. This is only the first shoe to drop. I would not exercise my FCS upgrade franchise until as far later in the year as I can stand. But that may not be much longer than I can get a 17" MacBook Pro with ExpressCard/54 (http://www.expresscard.org/web/site/standardsummary.jsp).

We have until December 20 to send in our FCP 4 or 4.5 DVDs for this once in a lifetime upgrade bargain. It's like Apple's present to us for putting up with this PPC to Intel transition. I won't be buying the Intel Quad this Fall. I'll be waiting for the 8 core pair of Kentsfields early next year with Leopard and iLife '07 on board. What I'm hoping for is that FCS will be getting more and more multiprocessor (Quad and more) optimized over this next year. :D

Final Cut Studio 5.1 Academic is $699, but I don't know that they have academic upgrade pricing.

Final Cut Express HD Academic is $149.FCP 4 or 4.5 Academic is included in the $199 Upgrade to FCS Universal offer. If you wait to exercise your option, you may get FCS 6 soon after NAB. Note that there is no FCS version number associated with this upgrade offer that is good until December 20, 2006. :D

[milo]

Here's a disappointment. The upgrade package doesn't include manuals, even if you're going from one app to the full suite. I guess you're stuck with PDF or have to shell out $20 and buy them?

But it looks like the duo mini will run Motion. There's a compatibility app you can download and run from their system requirements page that will tell you if motion will run, and the mini duo passes. They've also updated the FCS web pages to the current version.

MacBook Pro? Maybe. But it's highly unlikely you will see a Professional trade in their G5 Quad to sit in front of an iMac. Especially when it's doubtful they will see a speed increase. Not that there is anything wrong with iMacs, I just don't see them as Professional machines. More like prosumer since they have limited capabilities for upgrading. Also, most serious professional are reluctant to jump on the newest technology unless they can justify the cost and potential downtime from transitional problems. I can see them buying a MacBook pro but only as a secondary machine to use on location or on the road.

Don't forget the mini. There are plenty of folks at different levels using this software, having these UB takes away one more excuse not to go intel. Pros on a budget have some great intel boxes to choose from, and pros with deep pockets can get intel boxes as secondary machines while they wait for intel towers and remaining apps to ship.

Well it installed (Universal that is) on a Macbook P and seems to be running nicely.


What did the upgrade come with, did it have full manuals? What did you upgrade from?

[Multimedia]

How pissed are "crossgraders" going to be plunking down $49 today if Apple announces FCP 6 in a few weeks @ NAB. I noticed the crossgrade form says the crossgrade expires in Dec. So looks like all FCP owners get one crack at a check upgrade. Seems like it's worth it to wait a few more weeks to see what happens at NAB.Absolutely. The April 23 Apple Press Event at NAB will tell us a lot more. I feel certain that by waiting 'til later in the year we will get a much better version of FCStudio. Notice no version of FCS is mentioned in the offer? There's a reason for that. I think it is very unwise to have pre-ordered or to order the upgrade until after April 23. :)

Here's a disappointment. The upgrade package doesn't include manuals, even if you're going from one app to the full suite. I guess you're stuck with PDF or have to shell out $20 and buy them?

But it looks like the duo mini will run Motion. There's a compatibility app you can download and run from their system requirements page that will tell you if motion will run, and the mini duo passes. They've also updated the FCS web pages to the current version.Who Told You No Manuals? I've Never Done An Upgrade That Didn't Include Manuals. What makes you say that? :eek: :confused:

[milo]

Who Told You No Manuals? I've Never Done An Upgrade That Didn't Include Manuals. What makes you say that? :eek: :confused:

On the apple discussion boards, a couple people have received it.

"Just the disks, license agreement and install guide in a jiffy bag." This guy upgraded from STP.

Good news is, people who have installed it already are saying it absolutely screams on intel hardware.

[Multimedia]

Now that Final Cut Studio is available as a Universal Binary, I would expect Professionals to now make the move to MacBook Pros and possibly, Core Duo based iMacs.

MacBook Pro? Maybe. But it's highly unlikely you will see a Professional trade in their G5 Quad to sit in front of an iMac. Especially when it's doubtful they will see a speed increase. Not that there is anything wrong with iMacs, I just don't see them as Professional machines. More like prosumer since they have limited capabilities for upgrading. Also, most serious professional are reluctant to jump on the newest technology unless they can justify the cost and potential downtime from transitional problems. I can see them buying a MacBook pro but only as a secondary machine to use on location or on the road.Speaking for everyone :D

:D ROTFLMAO :D. You took the words out of my mouth. The Quad RULES. iMacs for FCS?? Are you insane? We're not even going to buy Woodcrest Quads when 8-core pairs of Kentsfields are less than a year away from NOW with Leopard and iLife '07 on board.

Sure we may plan on maybe buying a 17" ExpressCard/54 Merom MacBook Pro this Fall as a secondary computer. But NO WAY will I nor anyone else here who is serious be giving up our PPC Quads for Rev A Woodcrest pairs. We have enough power to get us to 8 cores with Leopard in a year - thank you very much. :p

[kingtj]

I know quite a few people who were "put off" by Apple's announcement that we'd have to pay for these universal binary updates to their pro apps. It's not about "having a job" or "demanding that Apple's developers work for free" or any of that nonsense. It's about expecting a certain basic level of support for software you recently shelled out many hundreds (or quite possibly well over $1000) for! As others said, these fees really only punish the "early adopters" of Apple's new technologies. The people who wait around for a year before upgrading anything will just end up with the universal binary support already in whatever they purchase. But Apple should be encouraging the folks who believe in their products and like them enough to buy the new ones as soon as they're released (or even pre-ordered months in advance, as many MacBook Pro purchasers did!).

The universal binary update is a little bit different than just your typical "point release" update that adds a few new features, fixes a few bugs, etc. If you have "the old versions" of any of these "pro apps" and you just spent $'s on an Intel-based Mac, you essentially have code that's not even designed to run properly on the new machine. Professional users are obviously not going to feel like it's "perfectly ok" to run their application under emulation, taking a big performance hit - on a *brand new* machine that Apple just touted as being 2x-4x FASTER than what they had before.


What the heck is this? If you have the old versions, you don't necessarily NEED the new one. Nobody's forcing an upgrade. If you DO need it, they should be able to charge you exactly the price you will pay. for a fee you will pay. If you want the newest version of FC software, get a job and pay for it.........................

[bigandy]

I don't know how you're seeing £599, but the Apple Store still shows £428.88 when accessed through my Uni's LAN. Maybe you're just seeing the standard educational discount. Try going accessing the site while on campus or phoning.

i've just checked it via the apple.procureweb.ac.uk and it is the £428.88 still. how odd. well, not to worry! it'll be ordered tomorrow morning :D

[manu chao]

Now that Final Cut Studio is available as a Universal Binary, I would expect Professionals to now make the move to MacBook Pros and possibly, Core Duo based iMacs.

Ever edited video with a measly 2 Gb of RAM? Certainly, it is possible but no fun if you also want to run a couple of other apps.

[bigandy]

i think there's quite a few people here who are missing the point of the crossgrade price completely.

remember, this is software written specifically for PPC machines, and it's extras such as AltiVec are used in FCS to help with certain processes.

this has all been rewritten to work with things like SSE3 on x86 processors, which i'm pretty sure is a big deal.

unlike programmes such as Mathmatica and Office, there's so much code customised specifically for a certain platform, that it will take more than a recompile in xcode.

i think when you take this into account, you should thank your lucky stars that it ain't costing more.

Ever edited video with a measly 2 Gb of RAM? Certainly, it is possible but no fun if you also want to run a couple of other apps.

i use my PBG4 15" FW800 1.25 with 2Gb ram regularly for FCS and never have any trouble - even with motion. shake even works at a decent speed.

[merlin]

Upgrade pricing (from Apple's crossgrade (http://www.apple.com/universal/crossgrade/) page): $699 upgrade from Final Cut Pro 1, Final Cut Pro 2, or Final Cut Pro 3; $199 upgrade from Final Cut Pro 4 or HD, Motion 2, Soundtrack Pro, DVD Studio Pro 4, or Production Suite; $99 upgrade from Final Cut Pro 5; $49 upgrade from Final Cut Studio.

Anyone know if there is some sort of upgrade path from Final cut Express?

[sartinsauce]

Ever edited video with a measly 2 Gb of RAM? Certainly, it is possible but no fun if you also want to run a couple of other apps.


What the hell else are you running? If you're cutting, you should be cutting. Don't waste your client's time by being one of those guys who checks his stocks while he's on the clock.

I've edited hours and hours and hours and hours of video with less than 2 Gbs of RAM. In fact, I've never in my life worked with anything that even had 2Gb of RAM.

Quit your crying.

[hayesk]

The universal binary update is a little bit different than just your typical "point release" update that adds a few new features, fixes a few bugs, etc. If you have "the old versions" of any of these "pro apps" and you just spent $'s on an Intel-based Mac, you essentially have code that's not even designed to run properly on the new machine. Professional users are obviously not going to feel like it's "perfectly ok" to run their application under emulation, taking a big performance hit - on a *brand new* machine that Apple just touted as being 2x-4x FASTER than what they had before.

Oh please - it's no different. Apple promised you a package that was made for PPCs. They didn't lie about it. They gave you exactly what you knew you were buying. If you bought it to run on an Intel Mac, that's your decision. Apple still sold plenty of PPC Macs at the time - they didn't force you to buy an Intel Mac.

Apple only owes you a relatively bug free experience based on what they promise you at the time of purchase. They don't owe you a free update at all. If you didn't like that, you should have waited.

You said these were "pro apps". Pro apps cost money. If you are a professional, you should pay the $50 and not even bat an eyelash at it - you'll make your money back on that investment soon enough.

[milo]

Speaking for everyone :D

:D ROTFLMAO :D. You took the words out of my mouth. The Quad RULES. iMacs for FCS?? Are you insane?

It would make no sense to sell a quad at this point, but for a user on a G4 or single G5, the intel macs may be a step up. And they're cheap enough that they may be a decent fix to tide you over until intel towers ship. Dare I mention the mini?

Now apple just needs to implement nodes or distributed processing like Logic has.

[macpastor]

The excitment is hard to contain... Looks in wallet, see Ed discount, leaves here and heads to apple.com

[LethalWolfe]

I think it's funny to see so many people talking about how this effects professionals yet they have little or no knowledge of the pro market and/or pro trends.

Ever edited video with a measly 2 Gb of RAM? Certainly, it is possible but no fun if you also want to run a couple of other apps.
I regularly have FCP, PS, and AE open at the same time w/o any issues. And this is on a 4yr old dual gig Quicksilver that just recently got bumped from 1gig of RAM to 1.5. And, to the best of my knowledge, I've never worked at a post house or TV show that had NLE's running w/more than 2gigs of RAM.


Lethal

[Multimedia]

Upgrade pricing (from Apple's crossgrade (http://www.apple.com/universal/crossgrade/) page): $699 upgrade from Final Cut Pro 1, Final Cut Pro 2, or Final Cut Pro 3; $199 upgrade from Final Cut Pro 4 or HD, Motion 2, Soundtrack Pro, DVD Studio Pro 4, or Production Suite; $99 upgrade from Final Cut Pro 5; $49 upgrade from Final Cut Studio.

Anyone know if there is some sort of upgrade path from Final cut Express?Nope. Best advice is sell your Express and buy a used PPC Motion or Soundtrack Pro so you can go to FCS for $199 from there. Gotta get creative to go from Express to Studio. :D

[nuckinfutz]

LOL

This debate always cracks me up. Apple takes the whole Final Cut Studio suite to UB for $50 and someone has the gall to complain.

Adobe has all but created a press release stating if you want Creative Suite UB you'd better wait for version 3 ($$$$) How many CS2 users would be chomping at the bit for a $50 upgrade?

As Lethal Wolfe stated, most people talking about what professionals want generally have no idea. $50 is less than an hours billing time for many. Sure if they had their druthers they'd get the UB update for free but FCS isn't a small app and that required some work. Nor did your license include moving the app to another ISA for chrissakes.

Buy the update or wait and see if you want Final Cut Studio 2 at NAB 2006.

[Sgt Pepper]

So if I'm running Final Cut Studio on my G5 PPC Powermac...

Will I need to crossgrade to the universal version to continue getting software updates, or will Apple continue to support the power pc version?

[milo]

So if I'm running Final Cut Studio on my G5 PPC Powermac...

Will I need to crossgrade to the universal version to continue getting software updates, or will Apple continue to support the power pc version?

Excellent question. From what I've heard, sounds like they're only working on the universal version. But time will tell.

[LethalWolfe]

So if I'm running Final Cut Studio on my G5 PPC Powermac...

Will I need to crossgrade to the universal version to continue getting software updates, or will Apple continue to support the power pc version?

Assuming FCP 6 is announced at NAB then updates for 5 (UB and PPC) will stop.


Lethal

[Myles]

Just received my universal FCS today. Am just a lowly film student, and as such wouldn't call myself a pro, but I do a lot of editing, and I'm doing it on a 20" 2GB intel Imac (which is not only practical with my budget, but also plenty fast enough for all but the most intensive Motion use). The universal crossgrade is currently working ok, but just ok, it certainly renders faster than on the G5 (I managed to trade my 20" G5 for the intel imac in Jan with a bit of luck on my side). The problem thus far is still a codec issue. An in-progress project which I transferred from the G5 works for the most part, but there are certain .avi files which simply crash either FCP or DVD Studio whenever I attempt to open them, and mpg files play without sound in FCP (I'm not sure if this was always the case, to my memory it wasn't).
Also, just for laughs I used to import .avi movie or tv show files and toy with them, recutting and redubbing dialogue etc...this isn't something that was ever done with any degree of seriousness...but now the large .avi files crash it again.
Now I realise this is a codec issue, but it is still a little bit irritating.What is good to know though, is that on flat out performance, there is a definite improvement, and as the majority of people using the software will be transferring straight from their camera's to FCP, there shouldn't be any major issues.

And just to add my two cents, (or pence I should say) whilst it still obviously isn't professional standard, the imac has suprised me at how adequate it is for DV editing. I haven't tried it with HD, but for a prosumer it not only looks the part but is actually pretty decent.

[Chupa Chupa]

This debate always cracks me up. Apple takes the whole Final Cut Studio suite to UB for $50 and someone has the gall to complain.


Yes, someone has the gall to complain because Apple is selling the whole Intel switch as a transparent "under the hood change." They are telling us that it runs the same OS X, nothing has changed except a few parts." But these "parts" break our current and very expensive software. Now we are supposed to rebuy a compatible version of the same software. Seems like a mixed message to me.

I would have no problem paying a media charge + a handling charge. $25-30 seems fair. I also don't think it's fair to compare FCP with PS. Apple is the one who initiated the whole Intel switch, not Adobe. Apple coded FCP from the start to easily port to Intel. Adobe didn't have that luxury. Apple has an interest to help it's most loyal customers with the transition since it's their OS. Adobe has no such interest.

[Doctor Q]

Apple hasn't updated any info on their site, no press release, no report of this story on any of the other apple rumor sites.At long last, the Apple press release (http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2006/mar/30fcstudio.html).CUPERTINO, California—March 30, 2006—Apple® is now shipping the first Universal version of its Final Cut® Studio video production suite that delivers up to 2.5x the performance when running on a MacBook™ Pro notebook computer.

[digitalbiker]

Yes, someone has the gall to complain because Apple is selling the whole Intel switch as a transparent "under the hood change." They are telling us that it runs the same OS X, nothing has changed except a few parts." But these "parts" break our current and very expensive software. Now we are supposed to rebuy a compatible version of the same software. Seems like a mixed message to me.

I would have no problem paying a media charge + a handling charge. $25-30 seems fair. I also don't think it's fair to compare FCP with PS. Apple is the one who initiated the whole Intel switch, not Adobe. Apple coded FCP from the start to easily port to Intel. Adobe didn't have that luxury. Apple has an interest to help it's most loyal customers with the transition since it's their OS. Adobe has no such interest.

Chupa, I agree with you 100%. But don't try to tell any of the Apple fan boys around here that Apple is being greedy. They will rake you over the coals.

I think it is particularly bad when you take into condsideration that Apple knows an update to FCP Studio is coming at NAB.

How costly can it be for Apple to supply the few number of licensed FCP Studio users who have now bought brand new Intel Macs.

Give me a break. What happened to the old Apple that use to care about it's users and used to think different.

[bousozoku]

...
Apple coded FCP from the start to easily port to Intel. Adobe didn't have that luxury.
...

Portabilty was discussed before any Adobe applications were ever created. They might not have been ready for one processor or another, but they could be a lot closer. Adobe have been dragging their feet for years.

You would think that Apple coded Final Cut Pro to be easily ported but that's an assumption, not necessarily a fact. Then again, you would think that Adobe would have done something similar after the 68000->PowerPC and Mac OS->Mac OS X. Their patches haven't exactly made their applications' performance optimal.

[nuckinfutz]

Yes, someone has the gall to complain because Apple is selling the whole Intel switch as a transparent "under the hood change." They are telling us that it runs the same OS X, nothing has changed except a few parts." But these "parts" break our current and very expensive software. Now we are supposed to rebuy a compatible version of the same software. Seems like a mixed message to me.

I would have no problem paying a media charge + a handling charge. $25-30 seems fair. I also don't think it's fair to compare FCP with PS. Apple is the one who initiated the whole Intel switch, not Adobe. Apple coded FCP from the start to easily port to Intel. Adobe didn't have that luxury. Apple has an interest to help it's most loyal customers with the transition since it's their OS. Adobe has no such interest.

When Apple announced the transition there of course were no Intel Macs. The transperancy was with running applications thanks to Rosetta. They never made any speed guarantees. I don't find the message mixed at all. Just today they had to delay the process of converting Aperture to UB. This speaks volumes as to what the potential effort is to complete such a task.

$25-30 seems fair but you've no idea what programming effort was required. It's very fair to compare...the common denominator is that programming effort is required whether Apple be the platform vendor or not they still have to extend the resources.

Apple coded FCP in carbon which Adobe has every bit of the same access. Adobe has interest but that interest seems to lay in having Creative Suite 3 be the UB application.

Nobody likes to give their work up for free and they shouldn't have to. FCS allows people to make a lot of money if they're talented and Apple doesn't ask for more money.

I think it is particularly bad when you take into condsideration that Apple knows an update to FCP Studio is coming at NAB.

Are you really "thinking" here? Let's analyze the choices.

Apple does nothing- They fail to create a UB for the current FCS and future FCS. That's not going to help Apple or FCS users who want a new computer.

Apple creates UB for next FCS- This is nice for people who know they want to upgrade to the next FCS. However what if my system works just perfectly as it is but I want to purchase a new computer? I'm stuck in PPC land or stuck with a heftly enough upgrade price.

Apple creates UB for both current and future FCS- Wow! Imagine that...ALL user are covered. Those wishing to stay on FCS can do so and update their hardware and software for price of the Mac + $50. Those who have a feeling they want the next FCS can wait and have the $50 absorbed into the price of the update.

Clearly the 3rd option is the best solution. Could Apple have given the update for free? Yes but they owe their shareholders the effort of monitizing their efforts. There is Quid Quo Pro here. If having common sense is being a fanboy then I'll gladly accept that title.

[astral]

Naturally it is faster than the 1.67 Ghz Powerbook, but does anyone know how this compares to the Dual 2 G5? My monitor died and I'm thinking I'd rather sell the tower and get a MBP instead of buying a new monitor.

[batchthemighty]

So do we know for sure if the upgrade (Motion2 to FCPS in my case) comes with printed docs or not? And if not, what it would take to get some ?
I hate reading from PDF's and I just downloaded the FCP 5 manual and it's like 1000 pages or so; so I don't really want to print that off of a printer.

[Multimedia]

So if I'm running Final Cut Studio on my G5 PPC Powermac...

Will I need to crossgrade to the universal version to continue getting software updates, or will Apple continue to support the power pc version?Universal does not mean Intel only. It means both PPC and Intel Macs. You would be foolish not to exercise the upgrade to Studio Universal by December 20 since you will be getting so much more for almost no money. You are going to eventually buy an Intel Mac, so you better pay the $49 about December 10th to get the last version available under this offer - deadline Decembr 20. :)

Naturally it is faster than the 1.67 Ghz Powerbook, but does anyone know how this compares to the Dual 2 G5? My monitor died and I'm thinking I'd rather sell the tower and get a MBP instead of buying a new monitor.Don't give up your Dual 2 G5. Buy a Dell 24" wide for like $800 now. Or wait for the 17" MBP which will be faster and probably include ExpressCard/54 for much better expansion options. Better still, if you can swing it, get a Quad. :D

[MIDI_EVIL]

Why the heck is everyone ASSUMING Apple will go with a stupid name like Mac Pro?!? The purported reason for changing from Powerbook to MacBook Pro was that they wanted Mac in the name of all their computer products.

"Powerbook" does not contain "Mac" -> "MacBook Pro"
"iMac G5" contains Mac -> "iMac Core Duo"
"Mac mini" contains Mac -> "Mac mini"

"iBook" does not contain "Mac" -> ???? (most likely "MacBook")

Question: Does the name "PowerMac" contain "Mac" in it?? The answer is left for the reader to determine.

Jobs also said "We're done with power..."

Nobody knows so quit assuming. It's just a name of a computer. People were screaming because they hated MacBook Pro, nobody complains anymore. They got over it!

Rich.

[beerstine]

Apple always shows off something new at NAB, but I'm not banking on a whole bunch of killer new features. They've obviously been focused on the Intel port lately.

Remember 2004 when FCP 4 went to FCPHD (really an incremental 4.5 upgrade with DVCPRO HD support) and gave it away. They added Motion as a new app at that time which kept sales going a bit. I imagine we could be in for something like that again this time, maybe with a new app thrown into the package to justify a paid upgrade.

I think we'll be seeing what amounts to FCS 1.5 with Universal Binary support for the new Canon, Panasonic, JVC, Sony HDCAM camcorders, support for the first generation Blu-Ray burners (Pioneer's model will be on display at the show and ship later in the summer), some under-the-hood improvements and perhaps a couple of nice but not earth-shattering new features to keep the current users mollified.

Look for the package to be shown off at NAB, but I wouldn't count on shipment until the new towers are ready.

[bigandy]

ordered :)

there goes £428.88. hope it comes quickly! :rolleyes:

[pashazade]

So do we know for sure if the upgrade (Motion2 to FCPS in my case) comes with printed docs or not? And if not, what it would take to get some ?
I hate reading from PDF's and I just downloaded the FCP 5 manual and it's like 1000 pages or so; so I don't really want to print that off of a printer.

I crossgraded from Motion 2 and my pack had the disks only, and they are marked as crossgrade disks.

[Multimedia]

Apple always shows off something new at NAB, but I'm not banking on a whole bunch of killer new features. They've obviously been focused on the Intel port lately.

Remember 2004 when FCP 4 went to FCPHD (really an incremental 4.5 upgrade with DVCPRO HD support) and gave it away. They added Motion as a new app at that time which kept sales going a bit. I imagine we could be in for something like that again this time, maybe with a new app thrown into the package to justify a paid upgrade.

I think we'll be seeing what amounts to FCS 1.5 with Universal Binary support for the new Canon, Panasonic, JVC, Sony HDCAM camcorders, support for the first generation Blu-Ray burners (Pioneer's model will be on display at the show and ship later in the summer), some under-the-hood improvements and perhaps a couple of nice but not earth-shattering new features to keep the current users mollified.

Look for the package to be shown off at NAB, but I wouldn't count on shipment until the new towers are ready.I agree beerstine. Moreover, as the upgrade offer lasts until December 20, I believe those who wait to exercise their option will get the newer version on updated DVD Installers after it ships. That is my motivation for waiting until late this year when I feel that all the major updates to FCS that are going to happen this year are completed and on the install discs.

Trade-off is I keep working with "only" FCP 4.5 and DVD SP 3. But I think I can do that and remain productive for a few more months as this upgrade offer is pretty much a once in a lifetime ultra-low priced deal I would rather have the last version of all the parts since we are moving from Quad to Oct (8) cores next year. My main concern is to have code that is maximally optimized for 4 and more cores on both PPC and Intel Macs and with as many bug fixes and newer HDV cameras support as possible right before or as Leopard ships. So right now I think I will wait until almost the end of the offer time period to pull the trigger. :)

After the April 23rd Apple NAB press event I may change my mind. :D We are really all speculating in the dark until then.

[Rod Rod]

I also don't think it's fair to compare FCP with PS. Apple is the one who initiated the whole Intel switch, not Adobe. Apple coded FCP from the start to easily port to Intel. Adobe didn't have that luxury. Apple has an interest to help it's most loyal customers with the transition since it's their OS. Adobe has no such interest.
Apple didn't code FCP from the start. FCP started as a Macromedia product called Key Grip. Apple bought it from Macromedia. DVD Studio Pro is another application that Apple bought, as are iTunes and (I think) iDVD. The Apple label is no guarantee that Apple created it from the very beginning.

Adobe has an interest to help its customers stay productive.
I think it is particularly bad when you take into condsideration that Apple knows an update to FCP Studio is coming at NAB.

How costly can it be for Apple to supply the few number of licensed FCP Studio users who have now bought brand new Intel Macs.
So you'd rather that Apple give the UB version of FCS for free, or for $20-30 crossgrade rather than $50, and at the same time stop or push back development of subsequent FCS versions? And further, it's a bad thing that Apple may very well demo FCP 6 and so on at NAB 2006? Weird.

You're asking for a cost breakdown for Apple's FCS UB effort. Let's say it cost Apple $5 million to make FCS Universal.
I think we'll be seeing what amounts to FCS 1.5 with Universal Binary support for the new Canon, Panasonic, JVC, Sony HDCAM camcorders, support for the first generation Blu-Ray burners (Pioneer's model will be on display at the show and ship later in the summer)
FCS already has support for everything you just listed with three exceptions:
1. Canon's HDV is supported, just not the 24f option.
2. JVC's HDV is supported, just not the 24p option.
3. HD-DVD is supported in DVDSP 4, but BluRay Disc isn't.

Sony's HDCAM is already supported, as is Panasonic's DVCProHD (which the HVX200 records onto P2 or hdd), JVC's 720p30 HDV, Sony's 1080i60 HDV and Canon's 1080i60 HDV. Uncompressed SD and HD are already supported.

[cjpadlock]

Why the heck is everyone ASSUMING Apple will go with a stupid name like Mac Pro?!? The purported reason for changing from Powerbook to MacBook Pro was that they wanted Mac in the name of all their computer products.

"Powerbook" does not contain "Mac" -> "MacBook Pro"
"iMac G5" contains Mac -> "iMac Core Duo"
"Mac mini" contains Mac -> "Mac mini"

"iBook" does not contain "Mac" -> ???? (most likely "MacBook")

Question: Does the name "PowerMac" contain "Mac" in it?? The answer is left for the reader to determine.

Hey, macrumors12345

Your logic there is a bit flawed I'd say. Not sure if anyone has told you but the reason the Powerbook was changed to mac book is because of the lack of a "Power" PC processor. Someone made a comment earlyer about how apple isn't doing the "power" thing anymore. Meaning no more PPC.

The PowerMac will be changed... I assume it will not have a "Power" PC processor in it.

- Chris Paddock

[arkmannj]

I crossgraded from Motion 2 and my pack had the disks only, and they are marked as crossgrade disks.

This is disappointing. Are there any options to purchase the manuals ?
I am also upgrading from Motion 2 (academic) to the full studio
and have used some of the other programs in studio a little but would still consider myself very much a beginner and would have liked to have documentation to read. (like batchthemighty, I also dislike reading PDF's)

[bousozoku]

This is disappointing. Are there any options to purchase the manuals ?
I am also upgrading from Motion 2 (academic) to the full studio
and have used some of the other programs in studio a little but would still consider myself very much a beginner and would have liked to have documentation to read. (like batchthemighty, I also dislike reading PDF's)

Wouldn't it be better to get some third party books that instruct rather than just document the process?

[Rod Rod]

Not sure if anyone has told you but the reason the Powerbook was changed to mac book is because of the lack of a "Power" PC processor. Someone made a comment earlyer about how apple isn't doing the "power" thing anymore. Meaning no more PPC.
While it's true that all "Power Macs" have had PowerPC processors, the name "PowerBook" predates PowerPC chips.

PowerBooks without PowerPC chips, in chronological order:
PowerBook 100, PowerBook 140, PowerBook 170, PowerBook 160, PowerBook 180, PowerBook Duo 210, PowerBook Duo 230, PowerBook Duo 270c, PowerBook 165c, PowerBook 180c, PowerBook 145B, PowerBook 165, PowerBook Duo 250, PowerBook Duo 280, PowerBook Duo 280c, PowerBook 520, PowerBook 520c, PowerBook 540, PowerBook 540c, PowerBook 150, PowerBook 550c, PowerBook 190 and PowerBook 190cs.

The first PowerBook with a PowerPC CPU is the 5300. It was released in August 1995.

So, you have 23 examples over the course of 1991-1995 of Apple using the "Power" name without PowerPC CPUs. (source: http://www.apple-history.com)

[spice weasel]

To all those who are angry that Apple is charging for the "crossgrade": what the heck are you complaining about?

If you have a copy of Final Cut Pro already, then presumably you also have a PPC Mac. If you recently purchased an Intel Mac, then, legally speaking, you should buy another (expensive) license to run the Final Cut software on that new Mac. In this case, Apple is charging a measley $99-$199 for users of previous versions of FCP and its components to upgrade to a universal binary version OF THE ENTIRE STUDIO SUITE!!! (except for the real old versions, which cost a $699 to upgrade). What are you people bitching about? I suppose you want Apple to simply give away versions of their pro software simply because you bought a new Intel Mac?



Sure it is! Apple sells Intel Macs. They can make up for the loss of universal binary conversion fees by getting more users to upgrade to Intel Mac hardware.

But no such luck. They have to get greedy and stick it to existing paying users.



I understand third party's charging for universal binary conversions because they didn't know the change to intel was coming and they don't sell Intel Mac hardware.

Apple made the change in hardware that required software conversion not the third parties. Also Apple makes up for conversion costs by selling more Intel Mac hardware to upgrading users.

[cjpadlock]

While it's true that all "Power Macs" have had PowerPC processors, the name "PowerBook" predates PowerPC chips.

PowerBooks without PowerPC chips, in chronological order:
PowerBook 100, PowerBook 140, PowerBook 170, PowerBook 160, PowerBook 180, PowerBook Duo 210, PowerBook Duo 230, PowerBook Duo 270c, PowerBook 165c, PowerBook 180c, PowerBook 145B, PowerBook 165, PowerBook Duo 250, PowerBook Duo 280, PowerBook Duo 280c, PowerBook 520, PowerBook 520c, PowerBook 540, PowerBook 540c, PowerBook 150, PowerBook 550c, PowerBook 190 and PowerBook 190cs.

The first PowerBook with a PowerPC CPU is the 5300. It was released in August 1995.

So, you have 23 examples over the course of 1991-1995 of Apple using the "Power" name without PowerPC CPUs. (source: http://www.apple-history.com)

Yes, sorry about that, you are right. But I still think there going to change it because of the comment steve made about "Power"

[mongoos150]

So...any benchmarks?

[astral]

Don't give up your Dual 2 G5. Buy a Dell 24" wide for like $800 now. Or wait for the 17" MBP which will be faster and probably include ExpressCard/54 for much better expansion options. Better still, if you can swing it, get a Quad. :D

Basically what I was saying was that I am perfectly satisfied with the speed of my current system, but for various reasons I would rather have a system I could take with me. I figured with the money I got from the G5 and the 800 dollars I would need to set aside for the monitor, I could get a macbook. I guess I'll just wait for those benchmarks, but if I could replace this bulky monster with a smaller machine that ran as fast, I think I would go for it.

[godrifle]

If Apple is coming up with FCP 6 at NAB, then *just wait*. Please. You guys get your panties in a bunch when a bit of patience will reveal the roadmap.

I suggest it's fanboys like *you* that expect Apple to act unlike every other company in existence.

Swallow hard, pay the $50, and be glad you'e not a slave to Microsoft's 5 year OS update debacle, and consider what a great product FCP is.

Chupa, I agree with you 100%. But don't try to tell any of the Apple fan boys around here that Apple is being greedy. They will rake you over the coals.

I think it is particularly bad when you take into condsideration that Apple knows an update to FCP Studio is coming at NAB.

How costly can it be for Apple to supply the few number of licensed FCP Studio users who have now bought brand new Intel Macs.

Give me a break. What happened to the old Apple that use to care about it's users and used to think different.

[emptybox]

Wouldn't it be better to get some third party books that instruct rather than just document the process?

I also prefer the pdf's but I'd highly recommend the Apple Pro Series training books. They are much more helpful than the supplied manuals.

I don't think we'll see FCP 6 for a long while. NAB will probably bring us a universal version of Shake.

[pashazade]

..... I'd highly recommend the Apple Pro Series training books. They are much more helpful than the supplied manuals.

I agree, I've hardly glanced at the Motion Manual, I have been using the Apple Pro series books.

[Multimedia]

I also prefer the pdf's but I'd highly recommend the Apple Pro Series training books. They are much more helpful than the supplied manuals.

I don't think we'll see FCP 6 for a long while. NAB will probably bring us a universal version of Shake.
Two Training DVDs Come With The $199 Upgrade. ;) :cool: :)

Would someone please tell us what titles they are?

[cairo]

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the current G5 Powermacs still the ideal choice for a FC workstation right now? Atleast until the Powermacs are replaced with intel chips...

[milo]

I would have no problem paying a media charge + a handling charge. $25-30 seems fair. I also don't think it's fair to compare FCP with PS. Apple is the one who initiated the whole Intel switch, not Adobe. Apple coded FCP from the start to easily port to Intel. Adobe didn't have that luxury.

30 is OK but 49 is unreasonable? Seems like splitting hairs over $19. And for the record, Apple has been telling developers to switch to xcode for years, Adobe would be having a much easier time if they had listened.

While it's true that all "Power Macs" have had PowerPC processors, the name "PowerBook" predates PowerPC chips.

True. But "power" does remind people of PPC. And Jobs did say something to the effect of they're done with "power".

If you have a copy of Final Cut Pro already, then presumably you also have a PPC Mac. If you recently purchased an Intel Mac, then, legally speaking, you should buy another (expensive) license to run the Final Cut software on that new Mac.

Not necessarily. Any time you buy a new machine, you can stop using the old one and transfer your software over. It should also be noted that the upgrade replaces the old license, it doesn't give you an additional one. Even if you upgrade, if you want to run on two machines, technically you'd still need to buy another (expensive) license.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the current G5 Powermacs still the ideal choice for a FC workstation right now? Atleast until the Powermacs are replaced with intel chips...

Assuming FCS performs comparably to other apps (such as Logic), the dual G5's will perform about the same as the fastest intel macs. The quad will be the top performer, but if you don't go Quad you might as well just get a fast intel mac and save a ton of money. The one advantage the towers have for FCS is that you can put in a beefy video card, which will help performance on the FCS apps.

Anyone seen any FCS benchmarks yet?

[Bakey]

Apple didn't code FCP from the start. FCP started as a Macromedia product called Key Grip. Apple bought it from Macromedia. DVD Studio Pro is another application that Apple bought, as are iTunes and (I think) iDVD. The Apple label is no guarantee that Apple created it from the very beginning.

The Final Cut story is one that really amazes me time and time again - I had a pre-release version of Macromedia Key Grip that was distributed on one the Director Demystified CD-ROM's; I think it was version 6 [of the book that is!]. It's a shame I didn't install it especially as I now no longer posses said book... oh well!

And as for DVD Studio, I do believe the code was purchased from Sonic Solutions with the Windows version being killed off pretty much straight away; only to be resurrected in the form of Adobe Encore DVD [which is truly awful by the way!!].

Anyway, sorry to digress!!! :rolleyes:

Bearing in mind this is FCS 5.1 what additions are we seeing [if this hasn't already been discussed]?

[milo]

Bearing in mind this is FCS 5.1 what additions are we seeing [if this hasn't already been discussed]?

There are various bug fixes and minor additions to the different apps, the lists are available from apple's website:
http://www.apple.com/support/manuals/

[THX1139]

So do we know for sure if the upgrade (Motion2 to FCPS in my case) comes with printed docs or not? And if not, what it would take to get some ?
I hate reading from PDF's and I just downloaded the FCP 5 manual and it's like 1000 pages or so; so I don't really want to print that off of a printer.

Are you talking about crossgrade or upgrade? If it's the $50 upgrade, I wonder what happened to your orginal manuals?? They changed the code, not how the software works. Your manuals should still be viable, that is unless you don't have manuals because you "borrowed" the software? Why else would you need a new set of manuals? I'm surprised they are even offering PDFs. The only users who should get new manuals are those who are paying extra for a cross-grade from another product. To get manuals, you might consider buying the program or cross grading from a qualified program.

[Multimedia]

There are various bug fixes and minor additions to the different apps, the lists are available from apple's website:
http://www.apple.com/support/manuals/Thanks Milo.

I've been looking over the FCS Late Breaking News pdfs (http://www.apple.com/support/manuals/finalcutpro/) and I've gotta say there are a really lot of bug fixes in this Universal Update. This is not just a 5.0.4 port to Universal at all. This is a full fledged bug fixed, additional features and new camera formats support major improvement in the whole set of FCS applications. Way to go Apple software engineers. :)

[Bakey]

Thanks Milo.

I'll second that!

For me, personally speaking, the real point of interest is DVD SP; and it certainly looks like 4.1 addresses quite a number issues and further adheres to the HD-DVD spec somewhat more rigorously than previously - pretty much 'buzz' phrases for the moment in my world, but when the time comes...

[Multimedia]

Just had to share with you all that there is a simple hack to make FCP 4.5, Compressor and Soundtrack all run on the NON AGP Dual Core and Quad Core last generation PowerMacs. You simply

1. Right click or Contol+click on each application to "Show Package Contents".
2. Open the Contents folder.
3. Get Info on the "info.plist" file.
4. Change "Open with..." to "Property List Editor.app" which is burried somewhere in the bowels of OS X I know not where.
5. Double click on the "info.plist" document to get inside with the editor.
6. Highlight and then Press the Delete Button the lines that list processor minimum speed 350, type (G4) and AGP graphics.
7. Save.
8. Close everything.
9. They launch on Dual Core and Quad G5's like buttah. :eek: ;)

This probably applies to DVD Studio Pro 3 as well. I am about to find out. Why am I still running the old FCP 4.5? Because I don't need the latest greatest and want to wait until December to order the last version of FCS that is shipping before the December 20 deadline for the $199 upgrade. I know all that can be done with updaters. But I'd rather just have the last version with all the Mac Pro bug fixes to date on my copies.