Mac OS X 10.2.4 GM? [Archive]

bit_bucket

Feb 5, 2003, 07:24 PM

Originally posted by chavelo
I am looking for parts for my old Macintosh Performa 6200 CD computer . do you know where I can find parts for it.

Hell sence this thread has gone so far off topic, does anyone have any parts for a 72 Ford Pinto, since it is about as old as the Gheto Performa..

Back on topic, does anyone know if there are any DNS improvments in this update, specifically to fix the lookupd problems?

bit

bigguysi

Feb 5, 2003, 07:26 PM

Originally posted by Macrumors
After a few false starts... MacBidouille (http://www.macbidouille.com/niouzcontenu.php?date=2003-02-05#4652) suggests that Mac OS X 10.2.4 Build 6L25 will be GM and should be available to us as early as Friday, but most likely next week.

Man I hope this new update Supports Blue Tooth Mice :D

First Post hope it works:confused:

robotrenegade

Feb 5, 2003, 07:43 PM

What's it updating? What will we see run better? Or is it more of the backside of things.

edesignuk

Feb 5, 2003, 07:46 PM

Originally posted by robotrenegade
Dual 1.42 G4
2GB Ram
Superdrive / Combo Drive
Radeon 97000
22"/15" Displays

15" PB 1 GHZ
1GB Ram
Superdrive
Radeon 9000

20GB iPod
Sweet muma! That's not a bad *little* setup there :D

Glossybear

Feb 5, 2003, 08:52 PM

I know some people are already running 10.2.4, so is there any place with a list of changes?

And when do you think we will see 10.3?

How many 10.1.x revisions were there before Jag hit?

TylerL

Feb 5, 2003, 09:04 PM

Originally posted by edesignuk

Sweet muma! That's not a bad *little* setup there :D ...Yeah. I'd sure love to have one of those Radeon 97000 cards.

springscansing

Feb 5, 2003, 09:06 PM

Why is everyone so excited over a point-point update? Or as Jobs would say, a dot-dot update? What is up with him anyway?

OS 10 dot 2 dot 3, aka Jagwire.

It's very odd to hear the CEO botch stuff so oddly. :-)

Freg3000

Feb 5, 2003, 09:08 PM

Originally posted by springscansing
Why is everyone so excited over a point-point update? Or as Jobs would say, a dot-dot update? What is up with him anyway?

OS 10 dot 2 dot 3, aka Jagwire.

It's very odd to hear the CEO botch stuff so oddly. :-)

Is it me, or does anyone pronounce 10.2.3 "ten point two point three," instead of "ten dot two dot three." I have a feeling it's just me. :)

It's always just me.

sparkleytone

Feb 5, 2003, 09:11 PM

i call it 'point two point three'

hence the term 'point release'

and 10.1.x went to 10.1.5 before jaguar hit.

3G4N

Feb 5, 2003, 09:31 PM

ten-two-three

Nermal

Feb 5, 2003, 09:38 PM

Originally posted by 3G4N
ten-two-three

Same, but if whoever was listening didn't understand, then it'd be 10 point 2 point 3.

SumDumGuy

Feb 5, 2003, 09:38 PM

I thought "point" releases were refered to like this:
Ten point two point three

Who ever heard of "dot" releases?

Freg3000

Feb 5, 2003, 09:43 PM

Originally posted by SumDumGuy

Who ever heard of "dot" releases?

Ok, seems like everyone says point. Normally I manage to screw simple things like that up. For once I didn't. I'm in the majority. :)

psxndc

Feb 5, 2003, 10:01 PM

everyone says 10 dot 2 dot 3 or 10 2 3. No one says "point".

*shudder* :-)

-p

ryme4reson

Feb 5, 2003, 10:02 PM

10.2.5 was the last upgrade to 10.1 before jag came out.

I think most people prefer ten-two-three, or ten point two... but the technical term as fasr as I am aware is to use dot to reference the .'s This is used in programming, and networking environments with IP address, etc..

8thDegreeSavage

Feb 5, 2003, 10:22 PM

Now i say,

"Jag point 2" point 3 etc etc...

MrMacMan

Feb 5, 2003, 10:36 PM

Originally posted by Freg3000

It hasn't been that long has it? :)

Any Apple update I can get my hands on is good for me. I love updates...even if I don't see any changes.

So do I, but I was being sarcastic...
Meaning 'It's been SOOO long since the last update I can't remember the date' ;)

MrMacMan

Feb 5, 2003, 10:39 PM

Originally posted by ryme4reson
10.2.5 was the last upgrade to 10.1 before jag came out.

I think most people prefer ten-two-three, or ten point two... but the technical term as fasr as I am aware is to use dot to reference the .'s This is used in programming, and networking environments with IP address, etc..
Typo, eh?
10.2.5 cant be before 10.2 for 2 reasons.
10.2 wasn't out yet
10.2.5 hasn't been rumored to being devolped.

Phil Of Mac

Feb 5, 2003, 10:48 PM

First post!

EDIT: Oh, **** :)

Phil Of Mac

Feb 5, 2003, 10:49 PM

Originally posted by 8thDegreeSavage
Now i say,

"Jag point 2" point 3 etc etc...

But Jaguar is 10.2, so Jag point 2 point 3 would be 10.2.2.3!

ryme4reson

Feb 5, 2003, 10:55 PM

Typo, eh?
10.2.5 cant be before 10.2 for 2 reasons.
10.2 wasn't out yet
10.2.5 hasn't been rumored to being devolped.

10.1.5 was the last update before 10.2.0
It was a typo, but thanks for the explaination. Since you can be so specific, can you explain to me why 1 comes before 2? Thanks alot :)

shadowfax

Feb 5, 2003, 11:33 PM

Originally posted by MrMacman

Typo, eh?
10.2.5 cant be before 10.2 for 2 reasons.
10.2 wasn't out yet
10.2.5 hasn't been rumored to being devolped.

i wouldn't mind an explanation of what "devolped" means. too. you should be more careful about typos when you correct other people's typos.

by the way, i DO know that you mean "developed," so you don't try to explain that too....

FredAkbar

Feb 6, 2003, 12:13 AM

Originally posted by Phil Of Mac

But Jaguar is 10.2, so Jag point 2 point 3 would be 10.2.2.3!

No, I think they meant "jag point 2" (10.2.2), and, "jag point 3" (10.2.3), and so on.

shadowfax

Feb 6, 2003, 12:28 AM

Originally posted by FredAkbar

No, I think they meant "jag point 2" (10.2.2), and, "jag point 3" (10.2.3), and so on.

it's funny how humor DOESN'T come across on the forums for so many people.

it probably comes across to me even when not intended, so i am probably just as screwed.

8thDegreeSavage

Feb 6, 2003, 12:38 AM

I meant exactly what you guys were thinking.

I say Jag(10.2) point(.) two(2) or three(3)

You guys got it.

animationkid

Feb 6, 2003, 12:55 AM

My question is, does it really matter if someone calls it "dot" or "point"?? I mean, it's just a friggin update!!!!!! If someone wants to call it "dot" then let them call it "dot". If someone wants to call it "point" then let them call it that....

sorry if it seems like i'm venting but i just think it is a little silly that you really think it matters in the big scheme of things b/c everyone knows what you're talking about!!!

shadowfax

Feb 6, 2003, 01:03 AM

Originally posted by animationkid
My question is, does it really matter if someone calls it "dot" or "point"?? I mean, it's just a friggin update!!!!!! If someone wants to call it "dot" then let them call it "dot". If someone wants to call it "point" then let them call it that....

sorry if it seems like i'm venting but i just think it is a little silly that you really think it matters in the big scheme of things b/c everyone knows what you're talking about!!!

i admit that, on hearing steve say "dot," in his keynote, i thought, "quaint," but would never really spend much time arguing about it.

however, i don't see a problem with doing so. macrumors forum is not a business institution. we don't follow the "everything not compulsory is forbidden" rule. we can talk and rant about whatever we darn well please, and no one is making you read it anyways. if you don't care, just skip posts. i sure did.

of course, in one sense i am damning myself here. i could skip over yours too... nah.

on the other hand, i DO think it matters what you say. i hate it when people say "as long as the other person understands you, it's all good. absolutely not. that's how language localizes and becomes isolated, so that when you go to another region their dialect is mostly incomprehensible to you. this is extreme of course, but this is why we have standards for how to say decimals, and why "newkular" is not the correct pronunciation of "nuclear" (eat your heart out, george).

Foocha

Feb 6, 2003, 03:21 AM

May I point out that many of you have gone dotty.

This character: "." goes under many guises. In the UK we call it a "full stop" in the US it's more commonly known as a "period". As a punctuation mark it now denotes the end of a sentance, but it was once used to indicate a pause in speach, hence the term period.

Beyond punctuating text, it's applications vary internationally - it can be used in currency & time. It is not always used to indicate a decimal point - as you'll see if you check the Numbers tab in the International System Preferences Pane in OS X. In Sweden for example, the dot represents thousands rather than the decimal point.

In Internet parlance, it is used in IP addresses, where in speach you often use a pause rather than saying "dot" and most famously, in domain names, the notorious "dot com".

Jobs tends to be quite playful with his language - his use of "dot" rather than "point" is probably a deliberate affectation - let's remember that the guy takes pleasure in thinking different. By all accounts he's a bit of a trend setter and whatever people say about him, most admire his remarkable presentational skills. You never know, ten dot two might take off.

Now what I can't stand is the guys at the UK Apple Store call centre who talk about "Mac OS Ecs" rather than "Mac OS Ten" - you'd think they could train them to say that right!

shadowfax

Feb 6, 2003, 03:35 AM

Originally posted by Foocha
May I point out that many of you have gone dotty.

This character: "." goes under many guises. In the UK we call it a "full stop" in the US it's more commonly known as a "period". As a punctuation mark it now denotes the end of a sentance, but it was once used to indicate a pause in speach, hence the term period.

Beyond punctuating text, it's applications vary internationally - it can be used in currency & time. It is not always used to indicate a decimal point - as you'll see if you check the Numbers tab in the International System Preferences Pane in OS X. In Sweden for example, the dot represents thousands rather than the decimal point.

In Internet parlance, it is used in IP addresses, where in speach you often use a pause rather than saying "dot" and most famously, in domain names, the notorious "dot com".

Jobs tends to be quite playful with his language - his use of "dot" rather than "point" is probably a deliberate affectation - let's remember that the guy takes pleasure in thinking different. By all accounts he's a bit of a trend setter and whatever people say about him, most admire his remarkable presentational skills. You never know, ten dot two might take off.

Now what I can't stand is the guys at the UK Apple Store call centre who talk about "Mac OS Ecs" rather than "Mac OS Ten" - you'd think they could train them to say that right!

man, those first couple of paragraphs wer hilarious. lol. they do that in a lot of German-speaking countries as well (use . for thousands, millons, etc, and , for decimals). i understand it's like that in a lot of European countries. anyways, i hope that was supposed to be at least slightly facetious... i sure got a great kick out of it. it really fit the moment.

Foocha

Feb 6, 2003, 08:40 AM

I take obsessing about Apple very seriously - every thing else is just for laughs ;)

CountZero

Feb 6, 2003, 09:13 AM

As an expat working in the US, I run into the dot vs point problem all the time. I always use 'point' rather 'dot' when speaking about software version, but most (if not all) of my American colleages use 'dot'.

As for OS X, I used to refer to it is '10' but now I got turned and call it 'X' :D

crazytom

Feb 6, 2003, 10:48 AM

that many programmers would prefer 'dot' over 'point'. Especially when you get to 'point two' which could be construed as 'point to'----point being a verb rather than a noun.

Using 'dot' would standardize the language we use in the computer realm, also. How many out there say 'www point macrumors point com'?

Codemonkey

Feb 6, 2003, 10:49 AM

Originally posted by CountZero
As an expat working in the US, I run into the dot vs point problem all the time. I always use 'point' rather 'dot' when speaking about software version, but most (if not all) of my American colleages use 'dot'.

As for OS X, I used to refer to it is '10' but now I got turned and call it 'X' :D

Seeing as how this thread is so far off topic - I may as well contribute to the mayhem. :-P

In regards to "Oh Es Ex" (OS X)... think about what it sounds like... and even say it in a sentence:

"I love Oh Ess Ex." Now think about someone in the same room that may overhear, and think about what they might have heard you say...

:eek:

So, needless to say, for my own benefit, I say "Oh Ess Ten"

waterbouy

Feb 6, 2003, 10:53 AM

So, I was wondering whether there was any additional scoop on the enhanced support for pre-firewire G3 Powerbooks...

Any ideas? I hope it addresses the DVD player, since that is the only reason I have OS 9 at this point.

Of course, if someone were to donate an iBook or Powerbook that they are no longer using... :)

Foocha

Feb 6, 2003, 11:30 AM

Here in the UK we have a county called Essex, which has a certain reputation...

shadowfax

Feb 6, 2003, 12:59 PM

Originally posted by Foocha
Here in the UK we have a county called Essex, which has a certain reputation...

Oh, Essex.

lol.

CountZero

Feb 6, 2003, 02:27 PM

No Essex girls jokes plz :D

MacsRgr8

Feb 6, 2003, 05:15 PM

Originally posted by 3G4N
ten-two-three

*****! Is that the time already? :D

MacKid

Feb 6, 2003, 07:19 PM

Originally posted by bit_bucket

Hell sence this thread has gone so far off topic, does anyone have any parts for a 72 Ford Pinto, since it is about as old as the Gheto Performa..

bit

The thing i don't understand is why all of these Performa owners don't "splurge" for a $1,000 eMac, or a $800 Old-iMac if they're having so many problems. I've seen all the people complaining in various help chat rooms and AOL message boards (yes, I used to have AOL), and it seems so easy to go online and stop clinging to these 75/100MHz Performas (no offense).

My rant is over.

Anyway,

Originally posted by Glossybear
I know some people are already running 10.2.4, so is there any place with a list of changes?

And when do you think we will see 10.3?

How many 10.1.x revisions were there before Jag hit?

I think that it will be a long while (a year at least) before 10.3, because with all of the new Apps requiring 10.2, and all of the new effects, it still seems like 10.2 hasn't become "old" yet, with people still one version/one OS behind. You'll know its novelty and lifespan is coming to a close when people stop calling it Jaguar.;)

Phil Of Mac

Feb 6, 2003, 07:44 PM

The 10.2 thing should be a point, because it's a decimal. In the old days, you'd have Program, Program 2, Program 2 Plus, Program 3, Program 4, Program 5, and Program Pro 1, for instance. When they started releasing incremental updates, decimal points seemed to be the way to go. However. you only have one decimal point per number. Computer programmers never realized this and started using numbers like 6.0.8 instead of 6.08.

I'm partial to build numbers, personally :)

shadowfax

Feb 6, 2003, 07:47 PM

Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
I'm partial to build numbers, personally :)

Chimera Build # 102402100000000658
:rolleyes:

foniks2020

Feb 7, 2003, 04:13 AM

Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
However. you only have one decimal point per number. Computer programmers never realized this and started using numbers like 6.0.8 instead of 6.08.

I'm partial to build numbers, personally :)

Seems like this is a pretty good arguement for the 'dot' camp. If there's only one point/decimal in a number then releases must be using the . as a separator not a decimal, as in IP addresses; 192.168.0.1 uses . as a separator, same as when it's used in telephone numbers, etc.

So my votes is for 'dot' as 'point' should be reserved for decimal references.

Kid Red

Feb 10, 2003, 11:27 AM

It's Monday, so where is it already?

8thDegreeSavage

Feb 10, 2003, 03:20 PM

It may not come for another week maybe?

Blackhawk

Feb 10, 2003, 03:49 PM

Off the subject, but i would like to know how robotrenegade has a 1.42ghz G4 System when they haven't even built any yet and are not do too until later this month, cause I want one:D

jayscheuerle

Feb 10, 2003, 04:10 PM

I've always pronounced it

Ten option-8-subscripted bullet two option-8-subscripted bullet three.

- though I've known others to prounounce it

Ten period 2 period 3. That never seemed right because periods denote the end of a thought.

Ten decimal 2 decimal 3 might work...

I don't get the "point" thing because my Zapf Dingbats is broken, though I suppose the < and > symbols could substitute for points. However, I've never seen it written as 10>2>3.

If the symbols between the numbers were just a really small point size, then 10 oh 2 oh 3 would work...

Or maybe I'm just an idiot?....:D

MrMacMan

Feb 10, 2003, 04:46 PM

Jezz, apple is creating its own links.

(I posted this in the Xserve thread also)
http://a720.g.akamai.net/7/720/51/2f176ec09c3e24/www.apple.com/xserve/images/managementshot_020903.gif

Somebody didn't notice we weren't up to 10.2.4 yet... Look at OS.

Dave Marsh

Feb 11, 2003, 02:09 AM

So, am I reading this right? MacOS X Server 10.2.4 up for 54 days prior to 2/2/2003 running on dual 1.33GHz processors? If that's true, Apple has been using today's just released hardware and upcoming software update for at least the past two months. How can that be? I thought the proposed GM for 10.2.4 was much more recent than that.

IciCle

Feb 11, 2003, 05:25 PM

I ran 10.2.4 for a few days and I didn't notice a whole lot of difference

MrMacMan

Feb 11, 2003, 05:31 PM

Originally posted by IciCle
I ran 10.2.4 for a few days and I didn't notice a whole lot of difference

Where and how?

What features does it have?

IciCle

Feb 11, 2003, 05:33 PM

I got the update package from a freind and I tried it out on a beige G3 300 and it was pretty much the same. I really didn't see any diffs.

IciCle

Feb 11, 2003, 05:35 PM

I have the update for 10.2.3 client and it's 75.8megs

8thDegreeSavage

Feb 11, 2003, 06:07 PM

Originally posted by IciCle
I got the update package from a freind and I tried it out on a beige G3 300 and it was pretty much the same. I really didn't see any diffs.

I dont know how well a virtually unsupported system would do as far as comparison.

IciCle

Feb 11, 2003, 06:13 PM

I was just comparing it as far as looks. And what difference does it make if it's unsupported if I have it installed and running?

8thDegreeSavage

Feb 11, 2003, 07:00 PM

It means that things like improvements to certain aspects (IE QuartzExtreme) would largly go unnoticed on a unsupported system.

Not trying to take away from your assesment totally dude, just saying.

MrMacMan

Feb 11, 2003, 09:14 PM

Originally posted by 8thDegreeSavage
It means that things like improvements to certain aspects (IE QuartzExtreme) would largly go unnoticed on a unsupported system.

Not trying to take away from your assesment totally dude, just saying.

good one.

But like what did the updgrade say was improved?

8thDegreeSavage

Feb 11, 2003, 10:30 PM

I have heard reports from others stating that the Geforce extensions are missing? They have been consolidated into one "Geforce" extension.

MrMacMan

Feb 11, 2003, 11:28 PM

Ah maybe some better frames running games?

How about my Epson printer Support.
Sure it is 'supported' but does it work? Not really. :(

Gimp is annoying to install I must say.

shadowfax

Feb 11, 2003, 11:35 PM

Originally posted by MrMacman
Ah maybe some better frames running games?

How about my Epson printer Support.
Sure it is 'supported' but does it work? Not really. :(

Gimp is annoying to install I must say.

gimp or gimp-print? gimp is the GNU Image Manipulating Program, a pretty fancy, free image editor a la photoshop (and many say just as powerful). gimp print is a set of open source drivers for OS X, and it's not tedious to install by any stretch of the imagination. all you do is click the install and then click continue, agree, and so on. it's totally automated.

and even if it weren't, it's a one time thing if they have your printer driver.

MrMacMan

Feb 12, 2003, 12:03 AM

Originally posted by Shadowfax

gimp or gimp-print? gimp is the GNU Image Manipulating Program, a pretty fancy, free image editor a la photoshop (and many say just as powerful). gimp print is a set of open source drivers for OS X, and it's not tedious to install by any stretch of the imagination. all you do is click the install and then click continue, agree, and so on. it's totally automated.

and even if it weren't, it's a one time thing if they have your printer driver.

Gimp print. I went through a 10 step process and nothing.

Bah.

And if they didn't give me this POS (damn you club mac) I would of had a working printer, instead of one that bleeds on the page, crops the page, prints is diagonally and lets see...

Make lines. yeah.

shadowfax

Feb 12, 2003, 12:15 AM

Originally posted by MrMacman

Gimp print. I went through a 10 step process and nothing.

Bah.

And if they didn't give me this POS (damn you club mac) I would of had a working printer, instead of one that bleeds on the page, crops the page, prints is diagonally and lets see...

Make lines. yeah.

and your printer was on the list of printers gimp print has drivers for or not?

coolbreeze

Feb 12, 2003, 11:12 AM

I really hope 10.2.4 fixes the blurry fonts on iMac flat panels. Text smoothing is terrible...feel like I need glasses or something...

Dave Marsh

Feb 12, 2003, 12:18 PM

Go into the System Preferences/General panel at the bottom of the window and try some of the other font/text smoothing settings. Be sure you've selected font smoothing for flat panels, and text smoothing font size that you find most appealing. You can even turn it completely off for font sizes 12 point and smaller, if you prefer jagged text.

coolbreeze

Feb 12, 2003, 12:55 PM

Thanks for the tips, but I've tinkered with all settings and the fonts are still blurry. Sure I can turn text smoothing off, but then my display looks like crap, all jagged and stuff. Besides, is this really a solution? Blurry text on iMacs is not an isolated problem...just a few links where this is obvious...

10.2.4 please fix the blurry text!

Apple won't admit there is an issue...but it looks pretty cut and dry to me...

Link 1 (http://discussions.info.apple.com/WebX?50@141.Gh5naB50hec.0@.3bbf1cdf)

Screenshots (http://www.romancat.org/aquafonts.htm)

One more (http://discussions.info.apple.com/WebX?50@141.Gh5naB50hec.0@.3bbe2237)

Dave Marsh

Feb 12, 2003, 01:14 PM

Now I see what you mean. Yes, I've noted this a bit on my iBook, as well.

FattyMembrane

Feb 12, 2003, 01:25 PM

Originally posted by coolbreeze

Apple won't admit there is an issue...but it looks pretty cut and dry to me...

i'm sure that it looks different on an lcd, but i have no problems with font smoothing at all. all of the problem apps in the osx screenshots are carbon (they used ie for an example for crying out loud) and don't use the ATSUI (i'm sure i got that wrong) font rendering available to cocoa apps. those osx screenshots are also from 10.1 (maybe 10.0). in any case, there is no way the smoothing looks better in xp, i've used chimera on a fp imac in 10.1.5 and it's carbon-smoothed text still looks better than xp.