Phoenix OS

[wmmk]

This is an offspring from this thread (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=2316135#post2316135) (kind of)


what i want to know how'd she get Steve's address? Did she just do:
Steve Jobs
1 Infinite Loop
Cupertino, CA 95014

anyone call the number on the website and ask for steve jobs?
I'm his best friend from college ;)

I am a student myself (older than 3rd grade, but anyway...) and I have much more than ideas for new products, but i am in the proccess of developing an OS with the codename of Phoenix (OS X 10.10?, even though that's really just 10.1, it seems good to be after 10.9, phoenix, then 10.11 raven, 10.12 bluejay, and so on). It's really cool and feels kinda aqua-ish (but far enough from aqua that is could be sold as Phoenix OS, and not have trouble with Apple's Inellectual Property) but incorporates new features and is slightly visually different. It is also going to be Universal, and the framework will be cocoa (or my own framework, if Apple doen't want to buy my stuff), but limited cocoa and java support will still be available. I have awesome new ideas for features that I am currently writing, but I can not share them because I need to protect my Intellectual Property. Anyway, I am also designing the new generation of macs (or if Apple doesn't accept my idea, first generation Phoenix boxes :D) to go with the OS.
To get to the point, I'm sorry for the kid who got a nasty response from Apple:
View thread (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=2316135#post2316135)
But seriously, if your ideas are so good, why not actually design the new iPod nano?

Anyway, if anyone knows who to mail/email apple, that'd be great.
Even better, if anyone would like to jump on the bandwagon and help development, that'd be more than amazing!

Thanks!:D

[ITASOR]

Can I see some screenshots from your OS?

[rendezvouscp]

I'd love to see some screenshots, as well as know what you mean by an Operating System. Is it something that I'll be able to boot up into, or is it something that uses Mac OS X on the background and is run like a very permanent application (until removed)?
-Chasen

[wmmk]

ya. this is a real os to boot into. nothin in the background. no real screenshots have been taken yet, as i haven't written much code. still, im working on mockups right now, and this thing is looking pretty neat!

would anyone like to help with the building of either the backbone or the GUI?

[jadam]

Gluck

I think youve got too many dreams here ;-)

[wmmk]

Gluck

I think youve got too many dreams here ;-)

maybe i do, but, hey
mac is an os
linux is an os
frigging WINDOWS is an os (and a terrible one at that!:p )
why cant i make one?


no, really. doing this alone is a big dream. but with help, this could be one wicked cool, beattiful, fast operating system!!!

[Plymouthbreezer]

maybe i do, but, hey
mac is an os
linux is an os
frigging WINDOWS is an os (and a terrible one at that!:p )
why cant i make one?


no, really. doing this alone is a big dream. but with help, this could be one wicked cool, beattiful, fast operating system!!!
I applaud your valiant efforts, but don't you think it's rather presumptuous to assume Apple will buy your OS??

[steelphantom]

Wow, just a few weeks ago you were a programming newbie (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=189901) and now you're writing an entire operating system? I wish I progressed that fast! ;)

[Plymouthbreezer]

Wow, just a few weeks ago you were a programming newbie (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=189901) and now you're writing an entire operating system? I wish I progressed that fast! ;)
You also were asking questions about hosting sites on your Mac? Humm. :confused:

I'm guessing this is going to be a rock solid OS.

[matticus008]

Hey, even Steve Jobs started somewhere. Relative newbie or not, it's a fun idea and a great creative exercise.

If you're really serious about this, though, I'd suggest ditching the mockups right away. You have to build a kernel and develop the system before you can even begin to think about what it's going to look like (not to mention the fact that by the time you've got enough code to get off the ground, UI schemas might be radically different).

[jadam]

maybe i do, but, hey
mac is an os
linux is an os
frigging WINDOWS is an os (and a terrible one at that!:p )
why cant i make one?


no, really. doing this alone is a big dream. but with help, this could be one wicked cool, beattiful, fast operating system!!!

Yes and a Ferrari is a car. That doesn't mean your going to be building one any time soon ;-)

Mac OS was written by hundreds maybe even thousands of programs. Mac OS X was based on NextStep which came out around 1992? maybe earlier.

Linux has been written by thousands of programmers. Linux has been Around since 1992? or so.

Windows was written by thousands of programmers. Windows came out in the late 1980s.

You are starting your OS now with one person? Trying to do millions of man hours of work! Good luck!


On the other hand you seem to only be talking about a window manager. Something which you might be able to pull off. A simplistic one that is. Don't expect anything too fancy like Gnome or KDE which again have been in development for a long time with a large group of developers.

[wmmk]

geez, am i gettin shelled, or what! :)

i guess i should add a few things:
1. the point of this project is to make money that i can donate to starving children in africa.
2.i will not state my age, as i have no idea who is reading this, although i am sure i am one of the youngest people on macrumors

p.s. matticus008, think you have it right on! everyone must start somewhere.

lastly, i admit that i am fairly new to programming. that is why i need help!

[Tehy]

I have always dreamed about my own OS :) I have read a lot of information about making own OS and this site is quite good: http://www.mega-tokyo.com/osfaq2/

I never really started to make my own OS but I know what is need to be done and it's a very big jop :P Basically you need bootloader and a Kernel. Bootloader must be written by Assembly so you need to know that language... There's also some free bootloaders (GRUB) so you can skip that step if you like but it won't make your jop easier :P so good luck! :)

[wmmk]

cool! i've actually already been using the os-faq wiki. thanks a ton.
if anybody can't actually write code, help with gui mockups, or other stuff like that, ideas would be great!
if submitting ideas, i need your consent to actually use them. if i decide to use your idea, i can pm you and straighten out the legal stuff, as i'd hate to have tto deal with a lawsuit, because every dollar that goes to africa can make a serious difference.
if you don't feel like doing any work for my project, that's cool. you don't even have to donate money (but if you are donating $, doctors without borders does some really great stuff).
please, just go to http://www.one.org/ and sign your name to the one decleration, which is trying to get president bush and prime minister blair to donate lots to make poverty history.
i thank everyone deeply, and i am sure that millions of children will be thanking you soon.

[zap2]

geez, am i gettin shelled, or what! :)

i guess i should add a few things:
1. the point of this project is to make money that i can donate to starving children in africa.
2.i will not state my age, as i have no idea who is reading this, although i am sure i am one of the youngest people on macrumors



Just because you plan to help staving kids does not make a good OS. As for age i doubt you are one of the youngest on MR, even if you are that only gives you less time to have learned how to right an OS.

Perhaps you should try making a new Linux Distro.

[jadam]

geez, am i gettin shelled, or what! :)

i guess i should add a few things:
1. the point of this project is to make money that i can donate to starving children in africa.
2.i will not state my age, as i have no idea who is reading this, although i am sure i am one of the youngest people on macrumors

p.s. matticus008, think you have it right on! everyone must start somewhere.

lastly, i admit that i am fairly new to programming. that is why i need help!

Uhuh when you join the real world and take a class on economics you will learn #1 is a stupid idea ;-

Secondly don't bother, like the guy above me said try to make a linux distro first ;-)

[Oryan]

Democrat622,

I'm sorry you seem to be getting shelled for your idea. When I was probably around your age I wanted to write an operating system too. One thing I learned from my experience is operating systems are a lot of work. Somewhere in my backups I have hunderds of pages of Word documents descrbing features, memory maps, APIs, kernel modules, etc. I wasn't really an experineced programmer so I never really got around to too much coding beyond pseudocode. I did however create a simple bootable floppy in Assembly (though I relied on a lot of open source code I found online).

Since you say you are novice programmer I would recommend picking up a few computer science books. I got mine on the $2 clearance rack at the local university bookstore. You'll want to know about how to use arrays, pointers, semaphores, etc and how to implement an API. The site that Tehy mentioned looks like a great resource too.

Your original post makes it sound like you are focusing on a window manager. While it is good to have an idea of what you are aiming for, remember there is a lot of work that needs to be done before you get to that point. Basically every operating system has some command line interface (Terminal, DOS, Linux, Windows command prompt). That's where I'd recommend starting.

So, to get started you're going to need:

- bootloader to load kernel
- command interpreter
- an API to interface commands with kernel procedures
- filesystem (not necessary, but they are fun to work with)

Once you've got that working, then you can work on features like multitasking, virtual memory, graphics support, and a window manager. I wish you luck with your programming. I think learning about how an OS works is one of the best ways to learn more about computers. If anything, it will give you a much stronger understanding of computer science than most people initially have if you decide to continue in that field.

edit- Also be sure to get your own test system. I'd recommend an old 386/486 machine. Whatever you do, don't try doing filesystem access on a "real" harddrive. I've corrupted my Master Boot Record more than a few times.

[savar]

geez, am i gettin shelled, or what! :)

i guess i should add a few things:
1. the point of this project is to make money that i can donate to starving children in africa.
2.i will not state my age, as i have no idea who is reading this, although i am sure i am one of the youngest people on macrumors

p.s. matticus008, think you have it right on! everyone must start somewhere.

lastly, i admit that i am fairly new to programming. that is why i need help!

There are lots of important concepts to understand when writing an OS. At universities, they usually offer many classes on these concepts, as well as an overall OS class. I hate to say it, but if you're still in middle school (just a guess) you're not equipped to do this.

Still, I remember being that age and really wanting to be able to design and build things...still do, actually, only now I have a little more knowledge and a much higher bankroll.

I suggest you stick with the programming first. Come up with a much more contained project and try to learn how to do that. The first program I ever wrote was "Cash Register". It was written in BASIC, and it would let you input a bunch of numbers and then it would print out the total. I was in 5th grade at the time. A couple years later I learned Java and wrote a Checkers game.

Learning to write software is something that is best done incrementally. You'll drown if you try to learn everything at once. Instead, come up with smaller goals -- even if the goals themselves have no meaning (nobody but me and my mom ever played my Checkers game), you'll learn so much along the way.

If you're really interested in designing new GUIs, you can get your feet wet without writing a new OS -- just write an OS X application that uses all custom subclasses for things like NSView, NSWindow, etc. There's no reason you can't completely rework the visual appearance and behavior of an application in OS X. It's remarkably flexible. A great example is Acquisition, which has some pretty slick interface features. Still, even that kind of tinkering is at least a few years down the road for you.

Anyway, stick with it. It's impressive that at your age you're interested in learning how to design and develop -- most kids don't have that clarity of vision at your age. And your philanthropic intentions are noble too. You've got a lot of years in front of you, and plenty of time to reach those goals, so don't get too far ahead of yourself. Focus on the basics now -- data structures, algorithms, syntax, etc. When you get to high school you can take classes at a local college to go more in-depth on advanced topics. There's a world of awesome stuff out there, but you gotta get up to speed on the basics first.

Cheers--

[cait-sith]

Hi there,

I can understand why people are pooping on your idea -- it does take a LOT of knowledge about computer archetecture, the booting process, scheduling algorithms, etc.

What I would suggest to you is grab a book on Linux kernel internals, and start to learn how an existing OS is structured. That is how I began to learn about operating systems. (that, and a degree in computer sciences.. and I still don't think I could write a kernel without a lot of time and help)

Although, the author that says Linux has 1000s of authors -- well, it did start with one guy. That said.. he had a degree in CS (or TE, one of the two..) and had a lot of experience with software development, archetecture, etc. To go from newbie to OS author is too big a leap. Learn how contemporary OS' work now.

[edesignuk]

I am a student myself (older than 3rd grade, but anyway...)Well, good luck with it I suppose, but to be frank you sound like you have your head in the clouds to me :rolleyes:

[Plymouthbreezer]

cool! i've actually already been using the os-faq wiki. thanks a ton.
if anybody can't actually write code, help with gui mockups, or other stuff like that, ideas would be great!
if submitting ideas, i need your consent to actually use them. if i decide to use your idea, i can pm you and straighten out the legal stuff, as i'd hate to have tto deal with a lawsuit, because every dollar that goes to africa can make a serious difference.
if you don't feel like doing any work for my project, that's cool. you don't even have to donate money (but if you are donating $, doctors without borders does some really great stuff).
please, just go to http://www.one.org/ and sign your name to the one decleration, which is trying to get president bush and prime minister blair to donate lots to make poverty history.
i thank everyone deeply, and i am sure that millions of children will be thanking you soon.You're getting ahead of yourself my youngin'.

While you quote an amazingly inspiring piece in your sig (that I myself strive to live up to), one of the first things you need to know is to set reasonable goals. Building an OS to sell to Apple and then using the profits to feed kids in Uganda isn't a reasonable goal. Especially at your age - kids can't make as much of an impact as their ideas might permit because of a lack of real world experience and common sense. The lack of these important and necessary social skills isn't your fault, but rather something that you'll get over the next few years. As others have said, start with something smaller - more attainable - and keep pushing after you reach each of these goals. I'm confident you'll find far greater success. ;)

[CompUser]

As bonnie tyler and kenny rogers once said

" Don't fall in love with a dreamer
'cause he'll always take you in
Just when you think you've really changed him
He'll leave you again
Don't fall in love with a dreamer
'cause he'll break you every time"


Ok, not exactly relevant but who cares.

You can't just start doing the most difficult thing and achieve it. You need to work your way up. No one gets out of High school and become president of a major corporation. When you learn to ski you don't go down the double black diamond trail first. If you want to do woodworking, your first project probably isn't a grand piano case made out of mahogany.

Start small, work on your skills, and move your way up. You can't be a beginner at something and believe that you can achieve a massive goal overnight.

[wmmk]

Democrat622,

I'm sorry you seem to be getting shelled for your idea. When I was probably around your age I wanted to write an operating system too. One thing I learned from my experience is operating systems are a lot of work. Somewhere in my backups I have hunderds of pages of Word documents descrbing features, memory maps, APIs, kernel modules, etc. I wasn't really an experineced programmer so I never really got around to too much coding beyond pseudocode. I did however create a simple bootable floppy in Assembly (though I relied on a lot of open source code I found online).

Since you say you are novice programmer I would recommend picking up a few computer science books. I got mine on the $2 clearance rack at the local university bookstore. You'll want to know about how to use arrays, pointers, semaphores, etc and how to implement an API. The site that Tehy mentioned looks like a great resource too.

Your original post makes it sound like you are focusing on a window manager. While it is good to have an idea of what you are aiming for, remember there is a lot of work that needs to be done before you get to that point. Basically every operating system has some command line interface (Terminal, DOS, Linux, Windows command prompt). That's where I'd recommend starting.

So, to get started you're going to need:

- bootloader to load kernel
- command interpreter
- an API to interface commands with kernel procedures
- filesystem (not necessary, but they are fun to work with)

Once you've got that working, then you can work on features like multitasking, virtual memory, graphics support, and a window manager. I wish you luck with your programming. I think learning about how an OS works is one of the best ways to learn more about computers. If anything, it will give you a much stronger understanding of computer science than most people initially have if you decide to continue in that field.

This is some pretty cool advice. Could I just use the BSD kernel and a generic open source bootloader, then start my work on the actual interface?

[wmmk]

well, considering that im "not qualified enough," does anybody else who is good at coding want to use my gui mockups and slap it on darwin, or something of the sort, then let me write the actual apps to make the os what it is?
(yes, i can write stuff like ilife/office/browser stuff, im working on an office suitte right now)

[jadam]

well, considering that im "not qualified enough," does anybody else who is good at coding want to use my gui mockups and slap it on darwin, or something of the sort, then let me write the actual apps to make the os what it is?
(yes, i can write stuff like ilife/office/browser stuff, im working on an office suitte right now)

woah woah woah your writing an office suite at the same time your writing an OS! If only everyone could be so productive!

[wmmk]

woah woah woah your writing an office suite at the same time your writing an OS! If only everyone could be so productive!

I am WRITING an office suite, doing MOCK UP SKETCHES and deciding which kernel and open source bootloader to use for an OS.

[steelphantom]

well, considering that im "not qualified enough," does anybody else who is good at coding want to use my gui mockups and slap it on darwin, or something of the sort, then let me write the actual apps to make the os what it is?
(yes, i can write stuff like ilife/office/browser stuff, im working on an office suitte right now)

Write iLife '07 while you're at it.

[wmmk]

Write iLife '07 while you're at it.
is this pokng fun at me?
doesn't anybody care that i am doing this
TO SAVE AFRICAN CHILDREN?

btw, did i mention to sign the one declereation to make poverty history at www.one.org?

[matticus008]

is this pokng fun at me?
doesn't anybody care that i am doing this
TO SAVE AFRICAN CHILDREN?

btw, did i mention to sign the one declereation to make poverty history at www.one.org?
You can't save African children by writing an open-source OS (and you're not in a position to use proprietary code). How would this project help children?

It's important to dream and have high goals, but you can't count on being respected for them until you produce something out of it. It's the way the world works. Don't let anyone tell you what your dreams should be, but make sure you take manageable steps to get there.

[blackstone]

is this pokng fun at me?
doesn't anybody care that i am doing this
TO SAVE AFRICAN CHILDREN?

btw, did i mention to sign the one declereation to make poverty history at www.one.org?

You know, just because you want to donate your proceeds to a worthy cause doesn't make your insistence that you can go straight from coding "Hello World" to (simultaneously!) writing an office suite and a whole operating system any less ludicrous.

But good luck with it. I'm off to go leverage my Lego-building experience to design Earth's first-ever intergalactic, warp-capable space cruiser. I know what I'm doing from watching Star Trek! And I'll donate the proceeds to the starving children in Southeast Asia! :rolleyes:

[steelphantom]

is this pokng fun at me?
doesn't anybody care that i am doing this
TO SAVE AFRICAN CHILDREN?

btw, did i mention to sign the one declereation to make poverty history at www.one.org?

I'm having a really hard time taking you seriously, man. If you aren't joking around, I think it's great that you want to help the less fortunate, but your goals are so ridiculously lofty that you can't possibly accomplish them within the next few weeks, months, or maybe even years! Applications like Microsoft Office, iLife, and the like are built by teams of professional software developers, not one teenager who decided he'd write his own office suite one day. It'd be nice, but unfortunately it's next to impossible for you right now. Start out small, and then one day you might work your way up to these types of applications. Just be patient.

[wmmk]

You can't save African children by writing an open-source OS (and you're not in a position to use proprietary code). How would this project help children?

It's important to dream and have high goals, but you can't count on being respected for them until you produce something out of it. It's the way the world works. Don't let anyone tell you what your dreams should be, but make sure you take manageable steps to get there.

if people know that a kid who is in middle took the time to write an operating system to save african children, might it cross their minds to help and donate? nayway, isn't our beloved mac os x built on open source software like bsd (which is basically unix)? mac os x is certainly being sold, right?

even if nobody in the world bought this for money, it could become part of the one laptop per child project or be ran on servers of great non profit organizations to keep costs down.

in some way or another, i will make sure my work goes to benefit 3rd world countries and even people right here i the states who deeply need help by prodiving them with tech experience, or to help peace acctivists all over the world cut administration costs so that more money ay be spent on getting people to stop terrible conflicts that are killing thousands of people.

[CompUser]

if people know that a kid who is in middle took the time to write an operating system to save african children, might it cross their minds to help and donate? nayway, isn't our beloved mac os x built on open source software like bsd (which is basically unix)? mac os x is certainly being sold, right?

even if nobody in the world bought this for money, it could become part of the one laptop per child project or be ran on servers of great non profit organizations to keep costs down.

in some way or another, i will make sure my work goes to benefit 3rd world countries and even people right here i the states who deeply need help by prodiving them with tech experience, or to help peace acctivists all over the world cut administration costs so that more money ay be spent on getting people to stop terrible conflicts that are killing thousands of people.


...... or people could directly donate to non-profit organizations that help people in 3rd world countries and use a widely supported OS such as Windows, Mac OS, or Linux.

[wmmk]

I'm having a really hard time taking you seriously, man. If you aren't joking around, I think it's great that you want to help the less fortunate, but your goals are so ridiculously lofty that you can't possibly accomplish them within the next few weeks, months, or maybe even years! Applications like Microsoft Office, iLife, and the like are built by teams of professional software developers, not one teenager who decided he'd write his own office suite one day. It'd be nice, but unfortunately it's next to impossible for you right now. Start out small, and then one day you might work your way up to these types of applications. Just be patient.

im seriously not joking. i guess i might just be crazy. i also have plans to climb kilimanjaro to raise funds for the global alliance for africa to help children whose parents died of AIDS.yeah, im crazy :D.
as i already said, if some of you who are good at programming could help, then maybe this would not be quite so outlandish.

the point is that i am directly trying to help. i think just seeing that i'm doing this, for this cause, would make some people want to give money.

can't anyone at least acknowledge that something seriously has to be done in sudan and in the d.r.c.?

[matticus008]

if people know that a kid who is in middle took the time to write an operating system to save african children, might it cross their minds to help and donate? nayway, isn't our beloved mac os x built on open source software like bsd (which is basically unix)? mac os x is certainly being sold, right?
People won't donate for something that doesn't exist being produced by someone who doesn't have a portfolio of previous software or demonstrated ability to deliver. They would put their money somewhere that seemed more constructive. You CAN develop commercial software on open source, but you personally don't have the manpower necessary to do that for customer support, bugfixing, and so on, so you'd be forced to submit your work for free.

Even free, your operating system has to offer something that other free OSes don't, and you have to achieve a level of stability and compatibility that has taken literally tens of thousands of programmers over a decade of work to accomplish. You seem to have two goals: to help people in some way and to write a new operating system. Both of these require a little practical idealism and some deeper understanding of the way things actually work. Cutting administrative costs for peace activists through a new OS is not, for example, going to put an end to any conflict in the world.

Your goals aren't mutually exclusive, but you lack the knowledge and resources to accomplish either of them on your own. A good place to start would be by spending some time with people who are already working toward your goals (contribute to Linux or ask what you can do to help Unicef or HumanCorps or the Peace Corps), so that you can understand the problems you're trying to solve. It will be many years before you're equipped to start on major projects on your own.

[blackstone]

can't anyone at least acknowledge that something seriously has to be done in sudan and in the d.r.c.?

Yes. But neither a free office suite nor an open-source operating system are going to do much to stop genocide.

You clearly have your heart in the right place, but I'd suggest that you look into some better ways of volunteering your time -- like writing letters for Amnesty International, or telephoning your Congressperson about Darfur.

[steelphantom]

the point is that i am directly trying to help. i think just seeing that i'm doing this, for this cause, would make some people want to give money.

can't anyone at least acknowledge that something seriously has to be done in sudan and in the d.r.c.?

If you want to offer direct assistance, have you ever thought of simply donating money and/or time to help the less fortunate? A hell of a lot easier than writing an entire operating system from scratch.

[wmmk]

Yes. But neither a free office suite nor an open-source operating system are going to do much to stop genocide.

You clearly have your heart in the right place, but I'd suggest that you look into some better ways of volunteering your time -- like writing letters for Amnesty International, or telephoning your Congressperson about Darfur.

i donate every spare penny i have to amnesty international, write persuasive essays about helping kids in africa, bring around a unicef box instead of trick-or-treating, spend tons of weekend time in homeless shelters and driving (with my family, i have no drivers liceense) around spots under bridges where food needs to be distributed to the poorest of the poor, you get the point.

all i want to do is start soething on my own to help people on a geater scale. please don't tell me you've never seen a freeware developer asking for donations on his/her site. i really think programming is fun, and global aid is needed, so why not combine the two?

if anyone out there thinks my idea is cool, please, i encourage you to do something similar.

anyway, this is just my stand. as many people have said i should, i DO do little things for the less fortunate. this just seemed like a cool project to start and hopefully finish by the time im out of college.

i just thought of this:
if windoze, os x, and linux all were developed by so many smart people, then what i need is a big bunch of SMART, TECH SAVVY PROGRAMMERS WHO CARE ABOUT THE WORLD AROUND THEM!

PM ME TO JOIN THE PHOENIX PROJECT AND MAKE POVERTY HISTORY!!!

[jadam]

LoL!

He's the youngest person on macrumors yet he drives!! HE DRIVES!! EVERY DAY AT THAT! He can afford all that gas!

This guy is so pulling our leg. I knew it from the start btw :-P

[matticus008]

all i want to do is start soething on my own to help people on a geater scale. please don't tell me you've never seen a freeware developer asking for donations on his/her site. i really think programming is fun, and global aid is needed, so why not combine the two?
People ask for donations for products they've completed, unless they're relatively well known for previous work, in which case the donations can be used for current projects. You shouldn't ask for donations as a programmer unless you can demonstrate that you ARE a programmer.

this just seemed like a cool project to start and hopefully finish by the time im out of college.
I want to be as encouraging as possible, because it's important to have people with ambitious goals. That said, there is NO WAY you finish an OS by the time you're out of school. Even Linux didn't start from scratch with a rookie programmer. You might be prepared to START serious work on an OS when you graduate.

Kudos on your dedication. Do you happen to live on the West Coast? When you're older, there might be room for an internship that can give you a taste of what it's like to deal with international issues, and I'd be happy to recommend someone with your zeal.

[wmmk]

LoL!

He's the youngest person on macrumors yet he drives!! HE DRIVES!! EVERY DAY AT THAT! He can afford all that gas!

This guy is so pulling our leg. I knew it from the start btw :-P

I AM TALKING ABOUT MY FAMILY!!!
HELPING PEOPLE IN NEED IS NOT FUNNY, IT'S SERIOUS AND NECCESARY, C'MON PEOLE, DON'T YOU GET IT?

People ask for donations for products they've completed, unless they're relatively well known for previous work, in which case the donations can be used for current projects. You shouldn't ask for donations as a programmer unless you can demonstrate that you ARE a programmer.


I want to be as encouraging as possible, because it's important to have people with ambitious goals. That said, there is NO WAY you finish an OS by the time you're out of school. Even Linux didn't start from scratch with a rookie programmer. You might be prepared to START serious work on an OS when you graduate.

Kudos on your dedication. Do you happen to live on the West Coast? When you're older, there might be room for an internship that can give you a taste of what it's like to deal with international issues, and I'd be happy to recommend someone with your zeal.

i actually live in chicago, but i'd like to live in boston, san fransisco (and go to cal at berkley, home of BSD), or london.

[matticus008]

i actually live in chicago, but i'd like to live in boston, san fransisco (and go to cal at berkley, home of BSD), or london.
Well here's a tip: it's not 'cal at berkley'...it's Berkeley, UC Berkeley, or (generally within California only) Cal, and if you went there, you wouldn't be living in San Francisco ;).

[wmmk]

Well here's a tip: it's not 'cal at berkley'...it's Berkeley, UC Berkeley, or (generally within California only) Cal, and if you went there, you wouldn't be living in San Francisco ;).

oh, well. i thought they were kinda close together, but whatever. the whole bay area is pretty cool.

[wmmk]

hey guys, i just got a kernel with a bootloader and a command line interface, it's called DARWIN! btw, i know that darwin is apple software, but it IS opensource. now it is time do do some seriouly cool graphic design, and make a super sleek windowing system, awesome apps, cool features, and of course, GAMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[AvSRoCkCO1067]

I guess I'd be a bit more interested if you posted some of your UI ideas...you know, your "mockups".

Or something that shows you've done something...or something that shows your new thinking. Seriously, not trying to be rude - I'm actually interested in seeing the new concepts you're thinking up. But you should probably post something, or people are going to think you're crazy...

[rendezvouscp]

Democrat622, I do believe you're wasting your words on the audience you've captivated in this thread. Many of us believe that there are much better ways to be helping the needy; many of us believe that writing an operating system is simply not feasible; many of us believe that you're going to go on out of spite, hoping to say "I told you so" in the end (but, many of us have realized that you won't see that day). And when I say many of us, I'm generalizing; I'm the only person I know who thinks this.

But honestly, I think you're kidding yourself if you want to make your own operating system and reach those goals. It's really tough stuff; I don't have a lot of experience coding, but it took me a few weeks to build a relatively simple web application that was supported by an API, a class, and a language already made and used by hundreds, if not thousands. I can't imagine what it'd be like to build an entire operating system.

I'm a dreamer myself, but I think you've mixed up your dreams so much that you're not going to accomplish what you really want to do. Think about refocusing yourself on what will directly benefit those in need. There are plenty of ways you can do your "own thing" and help people; building your own operating system is not a way that has a stable idea behind it.
-Chasen

[Plymouthbreezer]

...Many of us believe that there are much better ways to be helping the needy; many of us believe that writing an operating system is simply not feasible; many of us believe that you're going to go on out of spite, hoping to say "I told you so" in the end (but, many of us have realized that you won't see that day). And when I say many of us, I'm generalizing; I'm the only person I know who thinks this.

You're correct, because, like I said, you're (democrat622 that is) lacking in the ability to be able to grasp "the big picture" that seperates "children" from adults in the sense that (some) educated teens and adults knows how to go about accomplishing their goals. You obviously have missed the point of most of our posts, which clearly tells us that you are not capable of creating a "better" OS (or even organizing a team that could maybe - with years of hard work and professional skill - create one that might come close to your basic Linux distro).

I'd give more "basic real world skillz lessons" but I fear we're dealing with a troll who isn't young, and is working on some scam. The random correlation of helping kids in Africa and coding an OS seems to arbitrary too be legit. Then again, it could be that he's really a preteen who's mother shouldn't trust with a computer because he'll get himself flammed on a Macintosh computer forum. :rolleyes:

[superbovine]

Democrat622,

You seem to be on a quixotic (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=quixotic) quest. Your quest isn't noble, worthy, or real if you don't understand the underlaying reality, technically or geo-politically.


TO SAVE AFRICAN CHILDREN?

btw, did i mention to sign the one declereation to make poverty history at www.one.org?

one.org isn't to save the children of africa it set forth goals to such as: "fair trade, debt relief, fighting corruption, and directing additional resources for basic needs". Those goals do more than save african children, they want to provide the start of a basics for a good economy. The fact is they over look places like Darfur because it won't end until someone wins the war. The problem is a bit more complex than just signing a petition, if you look at what they are fighting over, and position that the US government takes on it. Donating money, doesn't stop a corrupt system from stealing it or offering "free aid" provided by UN in return for sexual favors from women. Writing an operating system won't help either. Even if you knew what terms like fork, process, stack, register, virtual memory, and barber shop model were it would still be hard.

If you really want to make a difference in the world, get an education and run for office.

[edesignuk]

now it is time do do some seriouly cool graphic design, and make a super sleek windowing system, awesome apps, cool features, and of course, GAMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!heh, of course, eeeeeeeasy :rolleyes:

Also, if the DOB you registered with is correct, why give people the impression you are much younger? This whole thread makes no sense :confused:

[mfacey]

i donate every spare penny i have to amnesty international, write persuasive essays about helping kids in africa, bring around a unicef box instead of trick-or-treating, spend tons of weekend time in homeless shelters and driving (with my family, i have no drivers liceense) around spots under bridges where food needs to be distributed to the poorest of the poor, you get the point.

all i want to do is start soething on my own to help people on a geater scale. please don't tell me you've never seen a freeware developer asking for donations on his/her site. i really think programming is fun, and global aid is needed, so why not combine the two?

if anyone out there thinks my idea is cool, please, i encourage you to do something similar.

anyway, this is just my stand. as many people have said i should, i DO do little things for the less fortunate. this just seemed like a cool project to start and hopefully finish by the time im out of college.


*Cough* Hippie *Cough*

Then again so was Steve Jobs.

In all seriousness though. If you really want to make money to support ALL THE STARVING CHILDREN IN AFRICA, why don't you get a job at McDonald's and donate all your earnings to charity? Trust me, if you going to take on the colossal task of building an OS than you'll get fed up pretty quickly realizing that the monetary reward of doing this is all disappearing to some cause in Africa of which you'll never see any results. Donating some of your cash to a good cause is a noble thing to do, but all of it is just a bit silly.
Don't waste your time with unrealistic ideas. Get real and just enjoy the mac os, it really is quite good. ;)

[displaced]

Wow... just read through this entire thread.... what a ride!

Sadly, our Democrat's public profile makes me think we're having our legs collectively pulled...

[Malfoy]

Democrat. While some of these folks are being hard on you. They are inevitably telling you the truth. Unless your real name is John Carmack(those who dont know he is, look it up, he's the man) you are going to need a lot of help and time.

Here are some tidbits you may not have known about some modern OSs:

Taken from http://www.dwheeler.com/sloc/:

Redhat 7.1(Once the most 'standard' or 'accepted' Linux distros)
over 30 million lines of source code (and they STILL COULDNT MASTER A GUI!)
The languages used, sorted by the most lines of code, were C (71%), C++ (15% ), shell (including ksh), Lisp, assembly, Perl, Fortran, Python, tcl, Java, yacc/bison, expect, lex/flex, awk, Objective-C, Ada, C shell, Pascal, and sed.

would have required about 8,000 person-years of development time, as determined using the widely-used basic COCOMO model.

Taken from http://www.microsoft.com/resources/design/windows.html :
Windows 3.1 (released in 1992) had three million lines of code,
Windows XP (released in 2001) had over 45 million lines of code.
Windows Server 2003 has over 50 million lines of code.

Taken from http://www.microsoft.com/windows/WinHistoryDesktop.mspx
1985 MS released Windows 1
1987 MS released Windows 2
1990 MS released Windows 3 (1 year increase in release schedule)

1993 MS released Windows NT 3.1 And this is a quote from their site:
When Microsoft Windows NT® was released to manufacturing on July 27, 1993, Microsoft met an important milestone: the completion of a project begun in the late 1980s to build an advanced new operating system from scratch. Even after making a few OSs it took them at least 4 years to make something new from the ground up, probably more.

1993 MS released Windows for workgroups 3.11 (3 years to go from 3 to .11!)
1994 MS released Windows NT 3.5
1995 MS released Windows 1995
1996 MS released Windows NT 4 (2 years to finish an upgrade from .5 to 4)
1998 MS released Windows 98
1999 MS released Windows 98 SE
2000 MS released Windows ME(we don't talk about that) and Windows 2000
2001 MS released Windows XP (which was really a service pack and GUI 'upgrade' for 2K)
2002 MS released Windows XP Media Center and Tablet PC

Do we even need to look at how long Vista has been in the pipeline(5+ years)? People can make jokes all they want about how 'bad' they think Windows is but what MS is doing is no small feat. And that is making sure EVERYTHING that could run on XP would run on Vista and make Vista do alot more.

If you are looking to make an OS that is single purpose, I do think you will be able to do that in a reasonable amount of time. If you are trying to make something to beat Apple/MS/Linux at their own game, then I still wish you luck, but I also hope you have a very large budget and a long life expectancy . I'm not trying to discourage you, but unless you are the single greatest programmer on the planet, to think that you alone can show these comapnies and there billion dollar R&D budgets how to make a better OS, screams of an arrogance I havent seen since OJs trial. (but he got off, so you could be in luck!)

[Tehy]

Thanks for the info Malfoy :)

[simie]

Democrat. While some of these folks are being hard on you. They are inevitably telling you the truth. Unless your real name is John Carmack(those who dont know he is, look it up, he's the man) you are going to need a lot of help and time.

Here are some tidbits you may not have known about some modern OSs:

Taken from http://www.dwheeler.com/sloc/:

Redhat 7.1(Once the most 'standard' or 'accepted' Linux distros)
over 30 million lines of source code (and they STILL COULDNT MASTER A GUI!)
The languages used, sorted by the most lines of code, were C (71%), C++ (15% ), shell (including ksh), Lisp, assembly, Perl, Fortran, Python, tcl, Java, yacc/bison, expect, lex/flex, awk, Objective-C, Ada, C shell, Pascal, and sed.

would have required about 8,000 person-years of development time, as determined using the widely-used basic COCOMO model.

Taken from http://www.microsoft.com/resources/design/windows.html :
Windows 3.1 (released in 1992) had three million lines of code,
Windows XP (released in 2001) had over 45 million lines of code.
Windows Server 2003 has over 50 million lines of code.

Taken from http://www.microsoft.com/windows/WinHistoryDesktop.mspx
1985 MS released Windows 1
1987 MS released Windows 2
1990 MS released Windows 3 (1 year increase in release schedule)

1993 MS released Windows NT 3.1 And this is a quote from their site:
When Microsoft Windows NT® was released to manufacturing on July 27, 1993, Microsoft met an important milestone: the completion of a project begun in the late 1980s to build an advanced new operating system from scratch. Even after making a few OSs it took them at least 4 years to make something new from the ground up, probably more.

1993 MS released Windows for workgroups 3.11 (3 years to go from 3 to .11!)
1994 MS released Windows NT 3.5
1995 MS released Windows 1995
1996 MS released Windows NT 4 (2 years to finish an upgrade from .5 to 4)
1998 MS released Windows 98
1999 MS released Windows 98 SE
2000 MS released Windows ME(we don't talk about that) and Windows 2000
2001 MS released Windows XP (which was really a service pack and GUI 'upgrade' for 2K)
2002 MS released Windows XP Media Center and Tablet PC

Do we even need to look at how long Vista has been in the pipeline(5+ years)? People can make jokes all they want about how 'bad' they think Windows is but what MS is doing is no small feat. And that is making sure EVERYTHING that could run on XP would run on Vista and make Vista do alot more.

If you are looking to make an OS that is single purpose, I do think you will be able to do that in a reasonable amount of time. If you are trying to make something to beat Apple/MS/Linux at their own game, then I still wish you luck, but I also hope you have a very large budget and a long life expectancy . I'm not trying to discourage you, but unless you are the single greatest programmer on the planet, to think that you alone can show these comapnies and there billion dollar R&D budgets how to make a better OS, screams of an arrogance I havent seen since OJs trial. (but he got off, so you could be in luck!)

Don't forget to mention that when Windows 95 was released in came with a virus, the virus came with the floppy disk version.

[Malfoy]

And for the record, I could not find any info on how big (in terms of lines of code or development time): OS X was. If anyone wants to post that info for our friend, that be cool. I'd even appreciate seeing how it compares.

[wmmk]

I guess I'd be a bit more interested if you posted some of your UI ideas...you know, your "mockups".

Or something that shows you've done something...or something that shows your new thinking. Seriously, not trying to be rude - I'm actually interested in seeing the new concepts you're thinking up. But you should probably post something, or people are going to think you're crazy...

sounds great!
i think ive just thought things out, and as ive sai, im just doing an interface for darwin.
my ideas have been self-copyrighted by me, and my best friends dad is an intellectual p lawyer, so seriously, don't copy my ideas
annyway, here's what i've been thinking of:

extensive and easy support for tvoIP voIP (tv and voice over ip)

"enviorments" (think virtual desktops, but each with a different gui, setup by phoenix proffesionals! kinda like front row/ms mace 2005, but for more than just media, and for those the traditional single desktop, that is cool too, the normal opening scrren is clled "marquee)

extensive customaizability (think of shape shifter build in)

tons of compatibilty (different OSes each in their own "enviorment," with the option to divide up cpu and ram among enviormeents so that you can decide whatneeds the most resources at a certain time)

voIP as a background app

widgets in dock type thing (that is very different from the mac os x dock)

universal appearence (isn't it weird with finder+safari being brushed metal, itunes plastic, mail pinstripe/"standaard aqua," garage band wood, etc...?

fun games included!!!

everything (as in everything) included. higher os price? possibly. better intergration and total cost of ownership? YE-AH!!!!

web serving intergrated with dynamic dns, firewalled port forwarding, and subdomain (yourname.phoenix.com=your dynamic/updated dns) all done with apache, which auto-updates

iDisk though the webserving (over a secure connection that can access only certain in your computer that you designate.) via ftp requiring only your phoenix name (all phoenix users have a phoenix name) and password (ftp is in a page of your site, so that you can get to your files fromany internet connected computer)

VNC over phoenix name, in browser

no library except for the system library, all apps use their own files

thinkpad-type recingnition, because you don't just want anyone with your password to be able to get at your files. (ms is already working at this, and if this becomes an apple OS, then everybody wil have that)

auto-defragging screensavers

built in cpu, ram, hd calibration that is as easy to use as the mac display calibrator.

real time dock icons (does if tick you off too that ical always thinks is is july 19th until you fire it up?)

rss in everything!!! (i love the newspaper, but the world is chanigng)

easy ability graphically edit sites in the browser

and a whole lot more!

heh, of course, eeeeeeeasy :rolleyes:

Also, if the DOB you registered with is correct, why give people the impression you are much younger? This whole thread makes no sense :confused:

my dad signed me up on the forum, family policy.

Wow... just read through this entire thread.... what a ride!

Sadly, our Democrat's public profile makes me think we're having our legs collectively pulled...

if you're referring to the thing where i say i wish i was a real developer, that's true. i'm not a real developer. i'm a kid who has fun noodling around with objective c and ruby. i'm really doing more graphic design work and brainstorming than hard core coding. i have slightly older friends and relatives who are doing a lot of the stuff with the kernel, bootloader, and filesystem (yes, this is based on darwin, but my serious nerd buddies are making some little tweaks)

also, i am not even doing the gui design alone. about 5 kids from school are helping me with that. one of these kids' dad just happens to be a veteran programmer who does c++ and java :)

my uncle, who loves and collects macs, has provided us with parts to build an x86 and ppc test machine.

as to the guy who said i am a hippie, that is quite true. (by the way, if you're a hippie too, you should listen to king crimson, the greatest band on the earth except for U2!!) linus torvalds, steve jobs, and steve wozniak were all hippies, and bill gates was not. now look at their software. maybe being a hippie is good in the IT world :D:D:D!!! on the topic of being a hippie, i am not continuing with this project out of spite, 'cause that would be against my principles, but anyway...

i am also really cause my friend got a 10 lincense education pack for CS2, which i will be installing next time he's at my house. i'm psyched for that!!
something gives me the inkling that photoshop might be a tiny bit better than the GIMP:p

as to this possibly being a fake, all ic can say is that i really want an avatar and im on my way, and i would do nothing to get myself banned, 'cause I WANT AN AVATAR!!! also, looking at my other posts, i seem to mention that im a student pretty much, don't i? anyway, i don't care that much anymore about people's opinions about my project, so please don't post in this thread if you have nothing to say except things like "youre dreams are too big, you're crazy," or "this is a hoax"

thanks:)

[StealthRider]

Apparently we're all a bunch of big meanies.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=194501

[wmmk]

Apparently we're all a bunch of big meanies.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=194501

OY VEY!!!

you are not all a bunch of big meanies, but some people have said kinda nasty stuff.

somebody, oh yes, it was you you're self, stealthrider, said that:
"This thread serves no real value, and has been reported."

That's goos, because many people's abusive comments will be seen, and they will be in trouble, not me.
It says nowhere in the forum rules that people aren't allowed to have dreams and have one of their first real programming projects be writing an OS.
Anway, I AM NOT IGNORING YOUR IDEAS. I have changed this from being a full fledged OS to being a GUI for Darwin, with the majority of code being written by more experienced programmers. My overall team of GUI designers, coders, hardware developers, "brainstormers," financial people, and legal people (yes, parents are helping us with legal and financial stuff) has about 35 people. Our baord of 3 middle meets every weekend meets on weekends and at lunch. I am working with a lot of very talented adults and kids, who all understand that this may take up to ten years.

As to this thread being "useless," I could not agree more. People say, "you can't" then I say, "I can." If anyone would actually like to help, PM me. With suggestions, feel free to post in this thread. No matter what, we (my team of about 35, that is) are doing this. Please don't try to stop us, as we are not giving up.

And on a much more positive note, is anyone who knows a lot about Darwin willing to teach me a little about how it works, or point me to a good resouce?

Thanks! :):D:):D

[StealthRider]

OY VEY!!!

somebody, oh yes, it was you you're self, stealthrider, said that:
"This thread serves no real value, and has been reported."


Oy gevalt! I was trying to avoid a flame/whine fest...goodness knows we have enough of one in here...it doesn't need to spill into two threads.

Have you guys invested in an ADC (Apple Developer Connection) membership? It's pretty cheap for students, and I'm sure there's great Darwin resources there...

[Chaszmyr]

Democrat, all I can say is you have to be lying about what skills you claim to have, because you clearly have no idea what goes into serious software development. Apple's been developing OSX with one of the best dev teams in the world for the last decade.

[wmmk]

Oy gevalt! I was trying to avoid a flame/whine fest...goodness knows we have enough of one in here...it doesn't need to spill into two threads.

Have you guys invested in an ADC (Apple Developer Connection) membership? It's pretty cheap for students, and I'm sure there's great Darwin resources there...

YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A CONSTRUCTIVE COMMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I AM SO HAPPY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THANKS A BILLION FOR SAYING SOMETHING USEFUL STEALTHRIDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!

after looking at the whole thread, i see that it is pointless and should be wastelanded.

i will immediately get an ADC membership.

[vniow]

after looking at the whole thread, i see that it is pointless and should be wastelanded.


Most logical thing you've said in this entire thread.

[wmmk]

Democrat, all I can say is you have to be lying about what skills you claim to have, because you clearly have no idea what goes into serious software development. Apple's been developing OSX with one of the best dev teams in the world for the last decade.


when did i say i have skills? all i said is i wanted to make an OS, im not a real developer, i know real developers, they're helping my project, i am trying to make an office suite, which is pretty bare bones, and with more research, i will be able to write cool apps for phoenix os sometime down the road.

about OSX, i could not agree more. if i did not, i wouldn't use darwin as the core of my own OS, own a apple, or be obsessed with apple computer in the first place.

[eva01]

after looking at the whole thread, i see that it is pointless and should be wastelanded.

i will immediately get an ADC membership.


99 dollars for a student membership

and you have to be a college student

[Chaszmyr]

when did i say i have skills?
"yes, i can write stuff like ilife/office/browser stuff"

about OSX, i could not agree more. if i did not, i wouldn't use darwin as the core of my own OS, own a apple, or be obsessed with apple computer in the first place.
My point was, if you think you can make an OS like OSX Just because you start with Darwin, you are sadly mistaken. Darwin may be at the core of OSX, but the vast majority of what we refer to as OSX is the stuff stacked on top of Darwin.

[StealthRider]

99 dollars for a student membership

and you have to be a college student

Whoops, forgot about that...

Oh well, it doesn't matter. The next level up is $500 from Apple, and with 35 people working on this, it comes to only about $14-$15 a piece...not too bad for what you get.

[eva01]

Whoops, forgot about that...

Oh well, it doesn't matter. The next level up is $500 from Apple, and with 35 people working on this, it comes to only about $14-$15 a piece...not too bad for what you get.

Who gets the one huge discount off of hardware?

[wmmk]

"yes, i can write stuff like ilife/office/browser stuff"


My point was, if you think you can make an OS like OSX Just because you start with Darwin, you are sadly mistaken. Darwin may be at the core of OSX, but the vast majority of what we refer to as OSX is the stuff stacked on top of Darwin.

with the ilife/browser/office stuff, i was saying that with some borrowed open source back end stuff, office and browser would not be super hard. just slap in plugins, features, and a pretty interface. about ilife, i actually did a simple audio recorder for windows. it was buggy and basiccaly sucked, but was the FIRST pre alpha of garage band or logic amazing like those products are today? no. i am also reading up and learning from real developers, and by the time a bootable os that can do nothing but boot up and to terminal like stuff, have a finder type thing, a launcher, and toolbar, i am going to be a LOT better at programmng!


the point of this is not to clone OSX. it is to build a "cool os that is cool". (that is a direct quote from the department of redundancy department, ok bak on topic) and i was just saying that i am showing respect to apple by using darwin. again, apple will always be the greatest. i will always own an apple computer. no questions. steve jobs and his awesome team will be better than me. and im cool with that. JOBS FOR PRESIDENT!!!
al gore, on the apple on DID win in 2000, but that is WAY off topic!

Who gets the one huge discount off of hardware?

i founded the company, so.... :)

i wonder now about whether the ADC would mind some kid developing an "alternative" os on apple hardware
but my thing isn't an alternative, just a project.

[WildCowboy]

i wonder now about whether the ADC would mind some kid developing an "alternative" os on apple hardware
but my thing isn't an alternative, just a project.

I don't think they'll be too worried... ;)

[wmmk]

I don't think they'll be too worried... ;)
i couldn't agree more

[virus1]

Wow... just read through this entire thread.... what a ride!

you kiddin? check out my thread.... (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=129734) those were the days... you might have guessed, however, that i never got it made.

btw, democrat, you have a pm...

[kretzy]

Look mate, you've contradicted yourself so many times in this thread that no one is going to take you seriously.You'd be better off practicing that air guitar of yours and going on tour to make money for Africa (or just get a real job and donate some of your wages).

[wmmk]

you kiddin? check out my thread.... (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=129734) those were the days... you might have guessed, however, that i never got it made.

btw, democrat, you have a pm...

PM has been answered

oh, and btw, max altitude, im actually in a band, and we're almost DONE with our first album that nobody ever said we could do.

VIRUS, WELCOME TO THE TEAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sOMeBodY sees a good opportunity when its comin'

[virus1]

Look mate, you've contradicted yourself so many times in this thread that no one is going to take you seriously.You'd be better off practicing that air guitar of yours and going on tour to make money for Africa (or just get a real job and donate some of your wages).
dude thats just not cool.. you are going to need to grow up and stop treating people like trash if you want to be successful in life...

glad to be on board democrat. i don't know how far this will go, but i think it would be awesome to help out.

[Chaszmyr]

Funny that you can tell who in this thread is a teenager.


Anyway. You might want to think of a new name, I don't think it would even be possible to get airborne with "Phoenix" (sorry for the pun) due to trademark reasons.

[wmmk]

Funny that you can tell who in this thread is a teenager.


Anyway. You might want to think of a new name, I don't think it would even be possible to get airborne with "Phoenix" (sorry for the pun) due to trademark reasons.

dangit, you're good at guessing stuff, or did you look at his profile?

EDIT: do you mean the mozilla project or the city, dude?

[virus1]

Funny that you can tell who in this thread is a teenager.

haha.. of course..

now about the name of the company: "Legacy systems inc." and the os: LS1: Phoenix. LS sounds like os, but stands for legacy systems. the next os might be LS2: Pionus (another bird). like it? for the smaller updates, we can do LS1:03: Phoenix. i like it because it is different from the standard boring 10.4.6 deal.

ideas? comments?

[yellow]

(sorry for the pun)

No you're not. :)

[Thom_Edwards]

while i certainly love the insanity of this thread (much like the first few weeks of an american idol season), am i the only one that just thinks this is all a huge joke? like it's some guy that just wants to stir the pot? like i said, i love/hate the drama, but just like at the zoo: don't feed the monkeys

(i can't believe i actually posted in this thread!)

[virus1]

while i certainly love the insanity of this thread (much like the first few weeks of an american idol season), am i the only one that just thinks this is all a huge joke?
your not, but you are the first one to post, commenting on the thread before reading it.

(i cant belive i just replied to such a stupid post)

[Chaszmyr]

EDIT: do you mean the mozilla project or the city, dude?

Last time I checked, cities don't hold trademarks on their names... But take your pick, really. There are dozens of computer-related things named Phoenix, and if you ever made any money half of them would be filing trademark disputes.

[wmmk]

Is it me or do I just have a feeling this guy will get banned soon?
who, me?

[mjstew33]

Dude, I don't think anyone is going to want to be serious if your not:

A. going to post your age
B. only know that your above third grade
C. spamming up the forums better than lacreo ok well, maybe not that bad but pretty bad
D. to many to put.. so those


I say forget it - your trying to make an os - rock on! but, honestly, your not gonna get help here the way you've presented to us, sorry, wish I could tell you different... :(

[wmmk]

Dude, I don't think anyone is going to want to be serious if your not:

A. going to post your age
B. only know that your above third grade
C. spamming up the forums better than lacreo ok well, maybe not that bad but pretty bad
D. to many to put.. so those


I say forget it - your trying to make an os - rock on! but, honestly, your not gonna get help here the way you've presented to us, sorry, wish I could tell you different... :(

thaat is totally cool. ive already said this thread ought to be wastelanded.

[mjstew33]

Oh, sorry.

Didn't want to read the entire worthless thread.

EDIT: No, you are not the youngest person on MR. I can't drive, I mean, I'm 13, and I have more maturity than you. And you can drive and pay the gas for it... grow up?
As like other immature teenagers like yourself would say, yes, you just got BURNED!!!!!! :rolleyes:

[wmmk]

Oh, sorry.

Didn't want to read the entire worthless thread.

that's fine.
i owe everyone an apology for starting such controversy. i've asked arn to wasteland the whole thread, and i'm sure he'd be happy to. i AM developing an operating system, but i promise not to talk about it until big progress has been made.

i hope everybody is happy with this resolution. i also hope that no bad feelings have been brought by this thread, cause im just a hippie who loves his mac!

:D we cool, brothers?

[mjstew33]

we cool, brothers?
nah man we aint cool u tight dawg

:rolleyes:

There's my try at acting like the now a day teenager. :o

[wmmk]

nah man we aint cool u tight dawg

:rolleyes:

There's my try at acting like the now a day teenager. :o
dang, i can't tell. are you 13 or not? you talk about "There's my try at acting like the now a day teenager." then yo say in your profile that you're 13.
now, that's confusing!!!

btw, who hosts your site, it's really nice!

[mjstew33]

dang, i can't tell. are you 13 or not? you talk about "There's my try at acting like the now a day teenager." then yo say in your profile that you're 13.
now, that's confusing!!!
Yeah, I am thirteen - what I was saying is that I'm more mature than most, and a lot of people would back me up on these forums, some don't even know I'm 13 and are shocked when they find out because of my high level of maturity... put two brain cells together and figure it out. :rolleyes:

[wmmk]

Yeah, I am thirteen - what I was saying is that I'm more mature than most, and a lot of people would back me up on these forums, some don't even know I'm 13 and are shocked when they find out because of my high level of maturity... put two brain cells together and figure it out. :rolleyes:

ah, and i am an immature jerk. now it all makes sense. just kidding. seriously, who hosts your websites, they're great! anyway, if you're thirteen, then i'm still the youngest, but not by much. ok, whatever.


would someone PLEASE WASTELAND THIS THREAD BEFORE I HAVE EVERY SINGLE PERSON AT MY FAVORITE ONLINE FORUM HATING ME???????????????

[jadam]

Yeah, I am thirteen - what I was saying is that I'm more mature than most, and a lot of people would back me up on these forums, some don't even know I'm 13 and are shocked when they find out because of my high level of maturity... put two brain cells together and figure it out. :rolleyes:


boasting about it only gets you laid more often from even prettier girls!

P.S. Maturity is overrated.

[mjstew33]

boasting about it only gets you laid more often from even prettier girls!

P.S. Maturity is overrated.
Not boasting, just telling a fact.

[Chaszmyr]

would someone PLEASE WASTELAND THIS THREAD BEFORE I HAVE EVERY SINGLE PERSON AT MY FAVORITE ONLINE FORUM HATING ME???????????????

We don't hate you, we just think this idea is a little ridiculous. :p

[Rower_CPU]

Wastelanded at OP's request.