Mac vs. PC...University of Illinois video...

[jholzner]

This is a video from our daily news paper...they asked random people in the computer labs which they prefer...you can check out the video here: http://www.dailyillini.com/feb03/feb07/images/photopoll/photopoll.mov

[PC Clone]

Go ahead and take a glimpse at the real world, fellas :eek:

[jefhatfield]

i am like the two who can use either platform and in the context of school work, as long as it is not intensive graphics, both platforms will get the job done

[zoetropeuk]

They're university students, come on, they can barely string two words together. I like their reasons for using a PC though:

1. Can't minimise a window on a Mac:confused:
2. One button mouse:confused:
3. No german characters:confused:

what a bunch of morons. I personally don't want people like that using macs anyway. :)

[Independence]

Originally posted by zoetropeuk
what a bunch of morons. I personally don't want people like that using macs anyway. :)
based on personal experience with the idiots in this town, im forced to agree with you on that.

i'll have a mac soon :cool:

[Mr. Anderson]

Originally posted by PC Clone
Go ahead and take a glimpse at the real world, fellas :eek:

nice trolling.

I'm looking around and I'm seeing macs everywhere in the real world. People use what they're comfortable with, and so what if everyone doesn't have a mac. I'm happy to be in the minority.

Its all irrelevant what platform you work on, its what you do with the computer that makes the difference.

D

[Sun Baked]

Originally posted by PC Clone
Go ahead and take a glimpse at the real world, fellas :eek: Yeah it sort of sucks that everyone in the "real" world uses a PC, but goes home and dreams of owning a Mac.

What else could those dreams about the death of MS Windows mean?

[LethalWolfe]

Originally posted by PC Clone
Go ahead and take a glimpse at the real world, fellas :eek:

If that's yer version of the real world you need to get out more ofen. ;)


Lethal

[jefhatfield]

Originally posted by Sun Baked
Yeah it sort of sucks that everyone in the "real" world uses a PC, but goes home and dreams of owning a Mac.

What else could those dreams about the death of MS Windows mean?

in a sense, windows died, from its original format, when windows 95 came out...it was microsoft's most blatant copy of the mac os

and now windows xp borrows the aqua from os x

they may make the money and are powerful now, but after both companies cease operations one day and are a part of the history of high tech, apple will be remembered as the one who were the innovators

the wright brothers made the first flight and many know that...but who, slightly later, made the most money in aviation...and who really cares now?:p

[mymemory]

I rather have a moron saying stupid things about Macs than a lady that broil them:D



If I could go back to school and do everything over again:rolleyes:

Defindly I took 2 years of a Digital Media program but the experience came 4 years later. When you go out of school you just know nothing.

[Kwyjibo]

hmmm I was hoping to goto UofI next year but know I really have to think....atleast I have my iBook so i can avoid as many those PC people if necessary. I think it is kind of weird that basically every BS reason they gave for PCs being better than MACs is addressed in Apples 10 Reasons to switch. Obviously they were on the ball with these ten reasons. The problem is that we are like Columbus, the rest of the world may spend centuries believing the world is a falt PC world, until they see and understand the powerfel round Mac World.

[PC Clone]

lol You people really are delusional sometimes... it's scary...

[couch potato]

real world? no way. part of the world. of course a lot of COLLEGE students use PC's. what about artists, muscisians? etc......

[Independence]

Originally posted by PC Clone
lol You people really are delusional sometimes... it's scary...
now now... you're giving PC users such as myself a bad name ;)

and i do have to say your system really beats the pants off mine.

[losfp]

Use whatever's right for the job :) It's all about a balanced view. It's like restricting yourself to only watching one tv channel, just because it's your favourite. If you don't check them all out and watch the best programs from all of them, you're missing out.

oh, and my specs (while we're doing this!!) :

AMD Athlon 1.2 GHz, 768MB SDRAM, 2x80GB HDDs, Pioneer 16x DVD-ROM, Pioneer DVR-A05 DVD-R, ATI 7500 All-In-Wonder, Windows XP Pro, 19" Diamondview CRT

Must.. save.. for... new... powerbook! :D

[MrMacMan]

Originally posted by PC Clone
Go ahead and take a glimpse at the real world, fellas :eek:

Look the movie was almost 50/50 and some of those reasons were BS...

In both Os 9 & 10 you can:
type is german.
minimize a window. Os X it goes into the dock. In os 9 it closes into a bar or onto the bottom.

The one button mouse isn't that annoying, I mean if your gonna switch is the main sticking point the mouse?
No.

[jefhatfield]

Originally posted by PC Clone
lol You people really are delusional sometimes... it's scary...


your system is definitely decent but run an 800 mhz g4 imac against it and you will see that macs are not that bad or slow

right now, macs are behind in speed and a little on the costly side, but at a certain point, speed won't be an issue with most computer users

[benixau]

Originally posted by MrMacman
I mean if your gonna switch is the main sticking point the mouse?
No.

<sarcasm><joke>
dont you know anything :rolleyes:
that is the best reason. man, you are stupid.
</joke></sarcasm>

really, if you get USB mouse for AUD40 then you will have a two button mouse on your mac. optical even :eek: !!!!

please

[Independence]

i plan on using my current mouse when i get a mac.

[couch potato]

gosh, what is this? AMD-only site or something??

my specs currently blow the pants off of any mac, in just about everything. just about, though.

My PC specs:

P4 2.4Ghz NorthwoodA
Gigabyte GA-8SRX MOBO
256mb Kingston DDR 333
geForce 4 ti 4400
Asus 52x cd-rom
samsung 48-16-48 cd-rw

Antec mid-tower(looks a lot like a full-tower)400w case, almost identical to Alienware's cases

sound audigy gamer(came with 2 games)



mac specs:
800Mhz iMac
768mb sd-ram
regular apple speakers, but nice kensington optical mouse


:)

[Les Kern]

Okay, let's take a pencil to this. Here are the folks and their responses:

1. PC - PC's Easier to use and don't crash as much
2. MAC - PC's slower, more errors
3. MAC - Prefer Macs but more OSX
4. PC - More software, more familiar
5. PC - PC's easier to use and more of them on campus
6. PC - I grew up using PC
7. NONE - doesn't matter to me
8. NONE - Don't prefer either one
9. PC - PC more familiar, one button mouse, minimize windows on PC
10. PC - Umlaut on PC easier
11. MAC - Mac's simpler
12. MAC - I have better luck with a Mac

Tabulation: PC-6, Mac-4, NONE-2
Notes:
1. All computers crash. History shows that PC's crash more.
4. The software falacy. There's no $5.00 bin of Mac software at K-mart. So exactly what software isn't available on the Mac?
5. Familiarity only. Can get on one becasue there are more. Where is proof of superiority?
6. Familiarity
9. So buy a 4-button mouse and scroll wheel or learn to use KB shortcuts... the reason for a 1 button mouse! OSX does minimize. OS9 can too with 3-rd party add-on.
10. Doesnt have OSX I guess.

For the most part PC users on campus have them at home or grew up with them.
Mac market share here: 40%
Movie was done on iMovie, not PC.

What does this all prove? Why nothing. So why the hell am I wasting my time?

[Anticipat3]

Hmm....

Here's my system specs:

2.4B P4 @ 155 FSB 1.65V @ 2.80Ghz
512MB Corsair XMS Memory
Abit BE7 Mobo
120 Gig Western Digital SE HD
80 Gig Western Digital HD
SB Audigy
GeForce 4 Ti4600
Lian-Li Aluminum Case, etc...

Hardcore in every sense of the word, and recently I sold it. Why? I experienced the G4 Powerbook.... but that's another story.

I came to College at the University of Wisconsin, was already well acquainted with several flavors of *nix... mostly Slackware on my PC. About a quarter of the people on my floor have Macs, and at first I laughed at them -- those silly 800 mhz processors can't touch my top end pentium.

However, after a while of watching all the shiny new Dells with their p4s crash and burn, I did take a bit of interest in them in that "wow, looks like macs are good for idiots, they aren't able to break them very easily."

The beauty of OSX is both in its simplicity and its complexity. It's a perfect idiot OS, if you don't **** with it it NEVER breaks, and it's SIMPLE to use. a lot of people really do prefer using the Mac, simply because they don't break. OSX is also great for geeks like me... but that's another story also...

Back on track with the real point: Most people who dismiss the Mac have NEVER REALLY USED ONE. OSX is by any measure the most revolutionary OS ever to grace a monitor, and any beginner as well as any power user will come to appreciate it if they actually use it for a while. The folks on this video prove that point-- "uhh i use a pc cuz i cant do an umlaut on a mac." All i have to say is MORON. Mac owns Pc in every way having to deal with multilanguage support. Between that and "cant mimimize a window," i.e. I HAVENT USED A MAC FOR MORE THAN 10 MINUTES, you see how most people who totally dismiss the mac have certainly never used one for more than a few minutes.

[PC Clone]

Originally posted by Les Kern
What does this all prove? Why nothing. So why the hell am I wasting my time?
Beats me... this survey wasn't "Which system is superior and give me good hard evidence on why!" it was "Which do you prefer to use?" If those people prefer an OS that's easier to use, a 2 button mouse, and a faster processor, then why should they use a Mac? They have their reasons...

[benixau]

i had a friend.

he told me i could get a p4 2.4 512DDR 80GB GF4Ti64DDR SB Auddigy for AUD3000

i got a DP867 MDD2002 ^SD ^80GB o/c 1Ghz.

he said i was an idiot

he came over one day - after purchase

he used my mac

i opened 20 odd apps and used 6 (ppt, IE, mail, imovie, qt and itunes) simultaneously

the only reason he wont get a mac? he likes his games - he wants then when they are released.

what did i prove? most pc die hards have different views BEFORE and AFTER using a mac. if you can put up with the how do i, oh there it is thing then let a pc user use your mac for a bit.

apple might make another USD1000.

[Les Kern]

Originally posted by PC Clone

Beats me... this survey wasn't "Which system is superior and give me good hard evidence on why!" it was "Which do you prefer to use?" If those people prefer an OS that's easier to use, a 2 button mouse, and a faster processor, then why should they use a Mac? They have their reasons...

You are correct. But those comments were more directed to your post that said "Go ahead and take a glimpse at the real world, fellas" which hints that they are better. And I'm somewhat confused how your statement can be based on the above data. How can you support your statement? You can't since 12 people in a world of millions of computer users can't give anyone a glimse of the "real world". Hence my "what does it prove? statement. Lastly, my own conclusion is pretty much the same as yours in that we have our reasons. Let's leave it at that.

[FelixDerKater]

äöü

Can't type that on a Mac????

Hit OPTION-U and then the vowel...


But I guess he enjoys typing ALT-1XX combinations.

[jefhatfield]

Originally posted by couch potato
gosh, what is this? AMD-only site or something??



:)

overall, what i have seen on this site for a long time, since the beginning, is that amd is more popular than intel

intel has the fastest processor out there

but amd is faster per ghz rating and cheaper

either way, the pc world has the speed advantage over the mac...but i hope the ibm 970 or power 4 comes to the mac platform and then we will see how laprge the speed gap is

i will still expect intel and amd to be somewhat faster, even then

[creativeczar]

I use PC and Mac ALL DAY at work. Literally, I have a Powerbook sitting next to my Dell laptop and switch back and forth continually.

At home I have two Macs (one for me and one for my kids) The number one complaint I hear from my kids? No Games! Because of the cost of porting games to the Mac side, only the most profitable and popular ones make it. That's okay for me, but my kids are constantly under peer pressure to get a Windows computer or Game Station. While games may be a drawing card for kids, adults in the workplace use Macs because they work better for graphics. After working with Mac in both OS X and OS 9, I choose Macs for my home use because they are more fun to use and more reliable.

As long as the Sims, SimCity, Tony Hawk and Medal of Honor continue to port to Mac, I should be okay.

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by PC Clone
<snip> If those people prefer an OS that's easier to use, a 2 button mouse, and a faster processor, then why should they use a Mac? They have their reasons...

Windows being easier to use is subjective. Windows users are used to Windows and Mac users are used to a Mac OS. I doubt anyone has actually done any objective tests to see if common tasks are easier in one OS or the other.

Give up on the mouse thing already. OS X recognizes 2 button mice and scroll wheels natively, no drivers needed.

I'm sure PC trolls have their reasons for coming around here...not sure what it is, though.;)

[jholzner]

Originally posted by Kwyjibo
hmmm I was hoping to goto UofI next year but know I really have to think....atleast I have my iBook so i can avoid as many those PC people if necessary. I think it is kind of weird that basically every BS reason they gave for PCs being better than MACs is addressed in Apples 10 Reasons to switch. Obviously they were on the ball with these ten reasons. The problem is that we are like Columbus, the rest of the world may spend centuries believing the world is a falt PC world, until they see and understand the powerfel round Mac World.

Well, the U of I itself support Macs to a great extent. All the public labs are half mac half pc. The computer store in our student union is almost all macs on display...I think they have maybe one PC on display in the store but they have a 17" iMac on a white stand that you see as soon as you walk in. They also have two g4 towers with 17" LCD displays...an ibook a powerbook and an eMac. Apple even gives students here a bigger discount than at other schools. We get the institution discount as indivduals here. That is because the U of I sells a LOT of macs for Apple...we have Apple gam day in the union once a year and they give away posters...and the Apple Campus Rep. is in our computer store a lot. In fact...the u of i just purchased a lab full of eMacs running X. they're not in the public lab so everyone doesn't get to see them. Hopefully they'll swith to X on all machines soon. We also have a HUGE lab full of FP iMacs...must be 40 or so in the lab...it looks so awsome to see so many FP imacs in one room...too bad they're also running 9!

[sockdoggy]

Originally posted by jefhatfield

apple will be remembered as the one who were the innovators


What have they innovated?

[MrMacMan]

Originally posted by sockdoggy


What have they innovated?

Um, they created USB, Firewire, killed off the Floppy (finally Dell has done the same), had new ideas of what the computer should look and feel like...

What did they copy off others?

Originally posted by Rower_CPU


Windows being easier to use is subjective. Windows users are used to Windows and Mac users are used to a Mac OS. I doubt anyone has actually done any objective tests to see if common tasks are easier in one OS or the other.

Give up on the mouse thing already. OS X recognizes 2 button mice and scroll wheels natively, no drivers needed.

I'm sure PC trolls have their reasons for coming around here...not sure what it is, though.;)

These are LittleDog members aren't they, trying to make people not fold! Aren't YOU! ;)

[PC Clone]

Originally posted by benixau
i opened 20 odd apps and used 6 (ppt, IE, mail, imovie, qt and itunes) simultaneously.
He can't do that on his top of the line P4? Because I can do that on my 2 year old 1Ghz HP...

Les- by "Go ahead and take a glimpse at the real world" I meant look at how people who prefer PCs actually have their reasons for prefering it... people here act as if it's just that they haven't been able to experience the greatness that is Apple... no, they simply just don't like them...

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
[B]Windows being easier to use is subjective. Windows users are used to Windows and Mac users are used to a Mac OS. I doubt anyone has actually done any objective tests to see if common tasks are easier in one OS or the other.
I'm guessing no Mac user here is confused with working Windows... I could be wrong though... while we're on the subject, how the hell do you look at a picture file's properties on the internet when using OS9(I think it was OS9)...
Give up on the mouse thing already. OS X recognizes 2 button mice and scroll wheels natively, no drivers needed.

Sure they recognize them, but as far as I've seen Apple comuters don't COME with a 2 button mouse, which this day and age I think is silly...
Um, they created USB, Firewire, killed off the Floppy (finally Dell has done the same), had new ideas of what the computer should look and feel like...
How is killing off the floppy an innovation? Alot of people still have floppies lying around so what's the harm in including one? Also, I'm sure Apple has made plenty of money selling their external floppy drives to Mac Users who need them but didn't get one in their computer...

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by PC Clone
I'm guessing no Mac user here is confused with working Windows... I could be wrong though... while we're on the subject, how the hell do you look at a picture file's properties on the internet when using OS9(I think it was OS9)...

Sure they recognize them, but as far as I've seen Apple comuters don't COME with a 2 button mouse, which this day and age I think is silly...


Fewer Mac users are confused by Windows, because no matter how hard you try, you almost always have had to use a Windows PC at some time or another in your life. The same does not hold true of Mac OS and Windows users.

Believe it or not, a one-button mouse is still easier to use for people first learning how to use a computer. You have modifer keys if you need contextual menus. One-button mice are less ergonomic these days, with the prevalence of scroll wheels, but who knows if Apple feels this compelling enough a reason to change their whole design ethics.

I honestly think that if you wipe the slate clean, and start learning how to use a computer from scratch that a Mac is MUCH easier to use. Windows users get certain...uh..."features" ingrained into their way of thinking about computer-human interface and expect all computers to behave the way they are used to. If only they'd try OS X with an open mind...

[mattmack]

Originally posted by MrMacman


What did they copy off others?




Remeber they took the mouse interface idea from xerox

[mattmack]

Originally posted by PC Clone

Also, I'm sure Apple has made plenty of money selling their external floppy drives to Mac Users who need them but didn't get one in their computer...
at 49.95 a pop I don't see a high profit margin

[Les Kern]

What have they innovated?

I'd have to assume you have a mental problem becasue even a fool would have to agree, maybe grudgingly that Apple has indeed raised the bar and force MS and others to copy.
Here you are:

1981 - 1983 (Lisa and Mac Development teams)
General User Interface
Mouse
Menus
Controls
Windows
Desktop Metaphor
Files - multi-forked filing system
long file names (with spaces & special symbols)
automatic typed icons (type + creator)

1984
Desk Accessories (copied in IBM-compatible world as "TSR")
multitasking: Desk Accessories
Sensible System folder
Dynamic, user-accessible system extension (fonts, INITs, control panels, DA's)
Drag-and-drop Application installation
fast and easy access to international characters
User-extensible font manager
Plug-and-play printing; page setup & print dialogs
Built-in clock with backup battery; reliable file dating
Sound
Built-in speaker, 4 voice sound synthesizer, full digitized sound samples
Speech
Speech synthesis (Macintalk)
Floppy 3.5" floppy (400K)
with automounting and auto-eject
Also added a floppy disk cache
hot-swappable peripherals
mouse
MacPaint, MacWrite, MacDraw
First person mainstream networked game (first person dungeon like game -- MazeWar, initially created at Xerox
Mac128K was an Ergonomic All in one Machine , semi-portable
Use of icons to label ports (all ports keyed to prevent mistakes)

1985
LaserWriter printer with Postscript (Apple also helped Adobe get off the ground as a company)
Networking (plug & play, integrated --AppleTalk/LocalTalk)
Direct manipulation Resource Editor
Desktop Publishing (actually came from Mac Application called ReadySetGo, then Adobe Pagemaker, also Scoop, Xpress and a few others at about the same time, because of what the Macs WYSIWG capabilities)
OOP / OOD (Object Oriented Design and Programming)
Object Pascal (later borrowed by Borland)
MacApp (first mainstream Object Oriented Framework, MS copied poorly with MFC)
Movable Palettes

1986
Plug-and play peripherals (SCSI) - ability to handle volumes/partitions to 2GB
Hypercard (simple object programming -- precursor to Visual Basic)
Hypercard (simple hypertext linking -- precursor to the Web
First personal computer with 4MB linear memory space (Mac Plus)
Kanjitalk
More versatile "Wavetable" sound
Memory Modules (SIMMS) instead of installing RAM
Dial in modem service. Apple create AppleLink communication service -- GE used the software to create AOL.
Scroll speed throttle for uniform user experience regardless of processor speed.
ADB (Apple Desktop Bus): extensible, auto-config low-speed peripheral bus (precursor to USB)
1987
Plug-and-play bus expansion (NuBus)
Multifinder application multitasking
Ability to assign labels to files
Multiple monitor support: single large desktop
Color QuickDraw, 256 color 640x480 graphics (same year as VGA with 16-color 640x480 or 256-color 320x200)
Accelerated video cards
Full Page Display
Dual Page Displays
GWorlds (off screen graphics images used)
Built in masking, antialiasing and Dithering of images (actually masking and dithering was earlier).
Industrial Design: Snap Open

1988
SCSI plug-and-play CD-ROM
Ethertalk
Superdrive, can read and write Mac, DOS, OS/2 files

1989
photo-realistic images (32-bit QuickDraw)
32 Bit Clean OS and 32-bit clean computers (software patches fixed older machines, no BIOS replacements)
A/ROSE real-time operating system for smart cards
Multiprocessing (using cards like YARC and Radius Rocket)
Mac Portable, first mainstream portable with an integrated trackball and active matrix screen

1990
Sound input
Built-in Ethernet (Quadra)
Publish and Subscribe and early work on Object Embedding (later to be borrowed and become OLE)
Aural feedback for controls (Sonic Finder)
Ability to assign custom icons to Finder objects

1991
Powerbook 100: first laptop with keyboard in back, trackball in front.
TrueType outline font technology (licensed to Microsoft)
Balloon help (with contextual feedback)
Built in File sharing
Robust aliases
QuickTime
Multimedia -- Apple created the term. They had been the first to integrate Sound, Speech, Text and Graphics (multiple medias), then expanded to include video (and later 3D) and pushed with CD-ROMs
Virtual Memory
Appletalk Remote Access
AppleScript: application and system scripting
Integrated eMail
Integrated Keychain (Security)
Encryption and Security
Network Browser
Trash you have to empty (item in trash survive power down)

1992
Powerbook Duo: first dockable (e.g. "port replicator") but much more elegant
Global text input support (WorldScript)
ColorSync color matching
Built-in CD-ROM's
Video Input - AV models
Integrated DSP
1993
Next generation speech synthesis
Speech recognition (Speakable Items)
Integrated telephony (Geoport)
First PC with built-in TV
PDA
Handwriting Recognition (Newton)
Gesture Recognition

1994
Powerbook 520: first widely-available laptop with trackpad.
Power Macintosh: PowerPC RISC chip
68K emulation for seamless backward compatablity.
Graphing Calculator: real-time equation visualization, 2D and 3D.
MacOS on Unix (MAE)
"Most Recent" folders
Hierarchical menus
Windowshade (collapsible windows)
AppleGuide (help system with coachmarks)
PC Exchange (cross platform file compatibility)
Macintosh Easy Open (can open PC files)
DOS/Windows compatibility cards and emulation software
Threads
TCP/IP support
Powerbook file synchronization
Continuous speech recognition and input (Cantonese dictation)
Bento - Object Oriented Document model
IEEE-1394 (FireWire)

1995
QuickTime VR, Conferencing
Open Transport Networking (streams)
QuickDraw 3D
Plug & Play PCI bus (PCI Only -- no ISA or older bus)

1996
OpenDoc (Fully document centric interface model)
Integrated Browser (CyberDog)
Web as a data-type (CyberDog)

1997
Popup folders
Spring loaded folders

1998
Sherlock full-text indexing and internet searching
Titlebar (icons to represent the folder itself for dragging etc)
Appearance manager (Themes)
Audio Themes (Sonic Finder finally ships in 8.5)
Tear off Menu (Application Menu. Also Apple and NeXT merged, NeXT created them)
Resizable Menus
Customizable scroll bar behavior
Integrated System Wide antialiasing.
iMac - clear case, return of all-in-one, simplified design, ALL plug & play I/O, floppyless design
USB (Universal Serial Bus) :this is a copy of the Apple Desktop Bus (ADB). Apple was also the first to make it ubiquitous and standard.

1999
Industrial Design: Handles + Door
AirPort -- Wireless anetworking made easy

And don't give any crap on who invented the mouse. Apple was the first to put it in a PC.
Sheesh.

[Les Kern]

What have they innovated?

Sorry, my Mac is so fast it posted twice. I apologize for having a bad-ass machine.

[Les Kern]

What have they innovated?
Make that 3 times

[mattmack]

Originally posted by Les Kern


I'd have to assume you have a mental problem becasue even a fool would have to agree, maybe grudgingly that Apple has indeed raised the bar and force MS and others to copy.
Here you are:

And don't give any crap on who invented the mouse. Apple was the first to put it in a PC.
Sheesh.

All I got to say is DAMN
(and i was just saying they didn't innovate one thing but at least they didn't steal their os)

[sockdoggy]

Originally posted by Les Kern

I'd have to assume you have a mental problem becasue even a fool would have to agree, maybe grudgingly that Apple has indeed raised the bar and force MS and others to copy.
Here you are:


Sorry, didn't know asking questions was such a big deal... I'm just curious what they have invented. I agree they have raised the bar.


1981 - 1983 (Lisa and Mac Development teams)
General User Interface
Mouse
Menus
Controls
Windows
Desktop Metaphor
Files - multi-forked filing system
long file names (with spaces & special symbols)
automatic typed icons (type + creator)


From what I can see in this portion of the list is that Apple just made the GUI they copied from Xerox better. It isn't really innovating.

The rest of the list, well, I don't know enough about it to comment on.

[Les Kern]

Originally posted by sockdoggy

1981 - 1983 (Lisa and Mac Development teams)
General User Interface
Mouse
Menus
Controls
Windows
Desktop Metaphor
Files - multi-forked filing system
long file names (with spaces & special symbols)
automatic typed icons (type + creator)

From what I can see in this portion of the list is that Apple just made the GUI they copied from Xerox better. It isn't really innovating.

The rest of the list, well, I don't know enough about it to comment on.

Kind of true. Apple didn't invent the mouse, but the innovation was it's use on a computer. They DID invent the desktop concept with icons, etc.

[sickboy_osX]

There are some hot chicks there that use PC's i am going to switch heheheheh j/k

Nahh kind of cool, i think the most mac freindly school is {Shamless Plug} The University of Utah with their 250 seat MAC ONLY lab {/shamless plug}

[iEleniandengel]

i seem to understand that the Mac using it for 5 years before then 5 year of pc the OS X Was like a sending of God, PowerPC G4 makes pentiums sound, and work like crap people that cant aford them or hate to try something different are pressured to use PC, It's all Bill Gates idea to take over the world
being differnet
is being unique
iEleniandengel
P.S. I totally forgot about the hole introducing Aqua PC is trying to do something similar... haha
someday Mac and PC will be the same, and that day Mac will change

[Noiseboy]

Les Kerns you ARE info-God.


Noiseboy. :D

[Les Kern]

Originally posted by Noiseboy
Les Kerns you ARE info-God.


Noiseboy. :D

Nope... I stole it from various sources off the internet. Who has time to track Apple data? :)
I did omit a few odd facts and added a few ommissions though. So call me Info-God's Editor in Chief.

[Noiseboy]

Acronymically speaking LKIGEIC ;)

Noiseboy.

[patrick0brien]

Originally posted by sockdoggy


What have they innovated?

-Sorry, got to add my $0.02

In a nutshell. Apple has been responsible for just about every new item when it comes to personal computing. Some of the biggies.

They are accredited with the first Personal Computer back in '75 or so. Yes, some might say the Altair was really one, but that was a Micro - bit different, and not accredited.

They BOUGHT Star from PARC - the GUI concept.

They did invent FireWire. Apple wrote the spec from the gound up in 1986, brought it infrom of the IEEE, they granted it 1394, and the rest is history.

First to use USB (Intel wrote the spec).

First to build in Optical Media (CD-ROM on the Centris)

The first Spreadsheet program - Visicalc - was written for Apple ][. Word and Excel were originally written on the Mac.


Just to name a few. I'll post my Spreadsheet of "Computing Firsts" later. It's in Excel :D

[fourthtunz]

Originally posted by patrick0brien


-Sorry, got to add my $0.02
First to use USB (Intel wrote the spec).

:D

Hey just a note but I think intel got usb from the Apple adb didn't they? Hey I read it on the net so It's gotta be true right:D
daniel

[fourthtunz]

Originally posted by sockdoggy



From what I can see in this portion of the list is that Apple just made the GUI they copied from Xerox better. It isn't really innovating.

The rest of the list, well, I don't know enough about it to comment on.

I'll assume you're young and new to computing. The Apple GUI is much different from the xerox gui and xerox ain't making computers;) Also note that both Jobs and Gates visited Parc, but Gates stole His gui not from xerox but from Apple, as it was the real deal. MS has paid money to apple for patent infringment a few times. Also you should know that the US Government is suing MS for being a monopoly, basically thugs who steal other peoples work. I like to support innovators not thieves.
daniel

[jefhatfield]

if you come to silicon valley and talk to the engineers who worked on all this stuff, you will get different stories

but most will agree that woz got the first working, affordable, practical personal computer to the masses...not just to other gearheads

..and that alone puts woz in a truly unique one person category:D

[dobbin]

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Originally posted by benixau
i opened 20 odd apps and used 6 (ppt, IE, mail, imovie, qt and itunes) simultaneously.
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>> He can't do that on his top of the line P4? Because I can do that on my 2 year old 1Ghz HP...



Um, actually, I don't think you can open iMovie and iTunes on your Pentium can you?

Thats one of the big reasons why Macs are so great. Its the quality of the software, not the Mhz of the processor, that matters.

[jefhatfield]

Originally posted by dobbin
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Thats one of the big reasons why Macs are so great. Its the quality of the software, not the Mhz of the processor, that matters.

Steve Jobs: "My biggest mistake in the early days was thinking Apple was a hardware company, not a software company" or something like that

the hardware and even the cool industrial design are not what make the mac experience better than the pc experience, it's the software and os apple makes

kind of like politics, apple inc should have a new catch phrase: "It's the software, stupid":p

[patrick0brien]

Originally posted by me


...I'll post my Spreadsheet of "Computing Firsts" later...

-Gents

I've posted it. Check the thread "Computing Milestones: Running list "

Les Kern..?