The PS3 Thread...Haters Stay At Bay

[2nyRiggz]

Alright this is where we discuss what we think sony will bring to the table for the new console(PSP,PS3,PS2).....E3 is soon here along with sony's conference.

Online...free or not....structured or not
Game Launch and games that will rock the house
Controllers....changing them or keeping them
Power/speed.....we don't know yet but still

Anything for that matter that pertaining to PS3/PSP


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[Mord]

this has been tried before and promptly turned into a flame war.

[igucl]

A friend of mine has stayed with the Play Station since the original. He was tempted to go XBox with the 360, but decided to hold out for the Sony. I know the wait must be getting agonizing, though.

All I know is they better blow the 360 away for making their faithful wait this long. That doesn't look likely, though, does it?

[Dagless]

I think the design is bound to change. Right now it contrasts with every other electronic Sony make, it's hideous. It does just look bad. And the controller?
They will undoubtedly unveil the new, sleeker PS3 at E3. Probably a bit bigger than before to incorporate a damn good cooling system. /wild guess.

[GFLPraxis]

Online: Free online play, paying subscribers get video chat and other bonuses (possibly voice chat? Not sure if that would be free or not).

Games: Final Fantasy XIII, MGS4. I don't know if a FFVII remake will be announced or not.

Controllers: Definitely going to be changed.

The graphics will be about on par with the 360, possibly better physics if devs can take advantage of it with all the difficulties.

[crachoar]

Honestly, I think this generation is going to be the worst generation, in terms of quality control.

I've had issues with my 360 already, and I can only imagine how much worse the PS3 is going to be.

They're still manufacturing core hardware for that system. Last I read, they were still in a fight with IBM over the design of the Cell processor...

Things aren't looking good for Sony - especially with the Blu-Ray fiasco on top of this.


I'd like to pick one up, but we'll have to see if they can even create a functioning system on time.

I imagine the PS3 will be the most troublesome of the three new systems (especially at launch). I just hope they have a free online system similar to Live - something to pressure Microsoft into lowering the cost of, or giving away their Live service.

One thing is for certain - I'm excited about E3.

[GFLPraxis]

It might be bad in terms of quality control of hardware AND software. Maybe I'm wrong, but I've got the distinct impression that with the expense of developing next gen games, some companies are skimping.

Half the XBox 360 games (Fight Night, PGR3, Burnout Revenge, Oblivion, etc) look utterly spectacular, and the other half (Tony Hawk's American Wasteland, Major League Baseball 2K6, NHL 2K6) look like upgraded XBox titles. Heck, some games don't even look upgraded (Dynasty Warriors 5 and Final Fantasy XI, I'm looking at you).

Some devs seem to be taking the cheap way out and just taking current gen games and slapping on some fancy graphics effects and throwing it out on the market.

I expect the same thing on the 360.

[PlaceofDis]

while i likely won't be picking up a PS3 myself, if it ends up being better than the 360 i may consider it sometime down the road.

the factors that Sony has to really play its card right with are:

1. Online play. This is whats keeping the Xbox as big as it is, if sony mess this up, they are going to sink. But if they come out with something on par or better than the 360's system, they'll gain a good amount of respect. Hopefully Free, with paid alternatives for more features.

2. Design. The Controllers as they are right now look impossible to hold and play comfortably, they need to re-think this and come up with a better controller. i'm not picky about the actuall unit's design myself...

3. Launch Date & Titles. they need to have a darn good list of titles waiting at launch time. but i think the date is key too. if they can get it out in time for the holiday shopping season... they'll do good, if people have to wait even longer then i see them having problems down the road.

just my thoughts.

[phill1234]

PS3 Controller : http://www.ps3blog.net/wp-content/ps3_controller.jpg

[GFLPraxis]

PS3 Controller : http://www.ps3blog.net/wp-content/ps3_controller.jpg

Um...okay...what was the point of that? We've all seen it...

[MacRumorUser]

As much as I'm tempted to not get one, I probably will. I'm a sucker for hardware and do not believe that people seem to think that if you buy a 360, your suddenly excluded from buying a ps3 - and vice versa. So daft.

I hate the look of the new controller, that has to be said. It looks utter rubbish, though it may be more comfortable than it looks.

Online has really come home to me with the 360 and I love its online ease of use. Yes you can grumble it cost's $50 a year, but that's not too bad, as long as there are no other monthly fee's for games.

I predict Sony will offer FREE online but it will be up to the developers to implement and keep it online, hence there may be a good chance that some games will charge a monthly fee.

Also may instead decide to charge for EVERYTHING you download via it's 'markerplace' and I wouldn't be surprised if they incorporate their own itunes type service as well.

Graphics, we all know are going to be the same as the 360, so no point commenting there, though I don't see the dual screen ability from ever being used other than once or twice as a novelty. It may even be subsequently dropped, im prepared for this announcment in E3.

Games I would like, well a new Ico creator game, Rogue Galaxy Level 5developer is going to have such freedom with it and that has to be a positive. Jax & Daxter, well I've got to get my platform fix, somthing missing from the 360 other than LaraCroft.

No doubt a price announcement will be made at E3, either we'll all have our suspicions proven and it will be 500-600 US dollars/ Euros or we'll all be surprised by a price tag of 400.

Linux could be interesting, or could just end up a redundant useless feature.

BluRay - I wont go down that road, suffice to say I remain v.skeptical (but that goes for HD-DVD too)

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AT E3...

BIG BIG BIG thing I really want Sony to do. STOP demonstrating forthcoming games with pre-rendered videos that end up resembling nothing like the finished article. Be honest with the consumer for once. I know microsoft took some flak at last years E3 for showing games on Beta Dev Kits, but I praise them for it, at least when the games did hit the shelves they were much improved with some reall class launch titles sneaking in like Condemned....

If there is a lack of playable content at this years E3 running on proper PS3 hardware, I'm going to be really pissed and this alone may be the decision breaker on whether I pre-order or not.

[greatdevourer]

Games: Final Fantasy XIII, MGS4. I don't know if a FFVII remake will be announced or not. I wouldn't say FFXIII. FFXII was only just released, but an HD version of that may appear

I think the design is bound to change. Right now it contrasts with every other electronic Sony make, it's hideous. It does just look bad. And the controller?
They will undoubtedly unveil the new, sleeker PS3 at E3. Probably a bit bigger than before to incorporate a damn good cooling system. /wild guess. Not such a wild guess. Far as I remember, every time the PS3 gets showcased, there's a little sign underneath saying "concept design" or summat to that effect.

[Josh396]

Not such a wild guess. Far as I remember, every time the PS3 gets showcased, there's a little sign underneath saying "concept design" or summat to that effect.
That would be interesting I think. I thought I remembered reading somewhere the design of the console was just about final but the controllers would be different for sure. I kinda like the design of the console now but I'd like to see what else they could do with it.

[grapes911]

I wouldn't say FFXIII.

Electronic Game Monthly just reported that FFXIII will most likely be at E3 this year.

[greatdevourer]

Electronic Game Monthly just reported that FFXIII will most likely be at E3 this year. I still doubt that it'll be a PS3 launch title

[grapes911]

I still doubt that it'll be a PS3 launch title
I think it all depends when PS3 is released. If the PS3 isn't released until May of '07, then I think it probably will be. If by some chance the PS3 is released this year, then I don't think it will. I'm not even going to guess on the time in between.

[AlmightyG5]

Ok Sony Will give us this:
-Free Online, payed users get more features
-Redesigned PS3
-Redesigned Controller
-Nov Release worldwide confirmed
-More vids (Tekken,MGS4,FFVI) Playable demos.
-Price will be $400.

I will get Tekken as a release title. FFVI will be confirmed a remake on PS3. Sony will go into details about every aspect of the PS3 Network, With final name, and real-time demos of the Network running and playing games.

[greatdevourer]

I think it all depends when PS3 is released. If the PS3 isn't released until May of '07, then I think it probably will be. If by some chance the PS3 is released this year, then I don't think it will. I'm not even going to guess on the time in between. True (I'm assuming nov-dec 2006)

[2nyRiggz]

I love the new design of the PS3...i think its the best out the bunch but the controllers are ugly.....it looks real light in weight but i can't imagine holding it.

I still can't believe sony will be giving us FREE online play but that would be real good.....wireless...

I see sony bringing the console in November....no way 2007 even if they have to cut a few things

Games i'm looking at is Killzone, MGS4.....excellent


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[MacRumorUser]

What's so great about Killzone. If the first is to go by, it will be an over hyped dissapointment of immense proportions. Remember video footage - not real ;)

I think the PS3 will be released in November in the US & Japan Only. I think spring 2007 for UK/Ireland and rest of Europe. BUT I think the delay to Europe will only get announced in October when Sony realise they wont have enough yield to supply 3 continents as the Cell is a bugger to manufacture.

Yes I think controller will be redesigned, it will probably end up looking just like the existing ps2 pad except wireless.

There's a very good chance the console will have a redesign, adding more ventilation and cooling as it has been reported that the ps3 dev kits run extremely hot too, and they'll want to avoid the problems that the 360 has had. Although I expect a good share of problems with the ps3 - lets face it the ps2 has had enough of them. It was reported at last years E3 that the ps3 cases on display had very little ventilation slots, all that heat has to go somewhere.

[Haoshiro]

They just better show real stuff this time and not pointlessly over-promise and under-deliver like they are so well known for.

While I personally do not think Sony has enough experience to expect an Xbox Live calibur service, especially in the time they have to do it (from the ground up); it could still be possible.

An interesting read: PlayStation Network: An Xbox Live Killer? (http://editorials.teamxbox.com/xbox/1481/PlayStation-Network-An-Xbox-Live-Killer/p1/)

[2nyRiggz]

I loved killzone for the PS2.......its not everyone cup of tea but i like it....not based on the screens shown(well:) )

If the controller end up looking like the DS2 then i'm fine with it....it works.

the Online thing i really believe sony will be working with an outside company with this.


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[grapes911]

An interesting read: PlayStation Network: An Xbox Live Killer? (http://editorials.teamxbox.com/xbox/1481/PlayStation-Network-An-Xbox-Live-Killer/p1/)
This is obviously a biased article, but I really liked this line:

Sony is an 800-pound gorilla to reckon with and only an Xbox fan boy could underestimate the power of this international conglomerate.

[Haoshiro]

This is obviously a biased article, but I really liked this line:

Sony is an 800-pound gorilla to reckon with and only an Xbox fan boy could underestimate the power of this international conglomerate.

I'm guessing you didn't read the entire 3 page article. Because every bit of it is how they think PSN is a very real threat to XBL. It's the most pro-Sony article I've read even though it's on teamxbox.com

I thought it would be very biased when I started reading it as well, but it really is far from it.

[grapes911]

I'm guessing you didn't read the entire 3 page article. Because every bit of it is how they think PSN is a very real threat to XBL. It's the most pro-Sony article I've read even though it's on teamxbox.com

I thought it would be very biased when I started reading it as well, but it really is far from it.
I read the entire thing. There is some decent information there, but I think it is very biased towards the PS3. They are taking many assumptions and speculations and trying to pass them off as fact.

[Haoshiro]

Personally I thought they were fair in their presentation and saying only 'this is a possibility and it could mean trouble if it happens'.

I thought by "biased" you meant towards XBL since it is on teamxbox.com, while the opposite is true.

Like I said, I don't (myself) think Sony has the software know-how to pull off something as grand as the article suggests, but if they did... it could mean trouble for Xbox Live.

[MacRumorUser]

but didn't sony's admitance of only gameplay examples come a good time AFTER the video footage had been shown and written about. It was only under pressure did the truth prevail.

[Dagless]

-Nov Release worldwide confirmed

I still say the release date is pure wrong. This will not be in Europe until 2007. Since when has Sony ever delivered on time? Did America and Japan forget what happened with the PSP? the UK got it 9 MONTHS after Japan, and the PSP was nothing next-gen, unlike Cell and BluRay. A worldwide release on the same day is just unfeasible. Even for a power like Sony, it's just not possible. The 360 couldn't do it, you know, from the richest company in the world.

If anything they're going to give realistic launch dates. Japan- November 06. US- January 07. UK- March 07.

[2nyRiggz]

^:confused: what now...its confirmed. Unless they say different at E3 then thats how it is. PSP nothing next gen for handhelds:confused: ....ok ok im going to stop....back on track now.

I see sony burning a hole in E3 this year.....with all the goodies for the PSP and PS3...its going to be wonderful...i really dont care about blu-ray that much.


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[Haoshiro]

I hope your right man, I've only ever been disappointed by Sony's E3 appearances... it seems the "real" info they tend to give out has already been available online and the "new" info turns out to be hollow promises that are later ignored in the next E3.

Like that Killzone video of last year, man was it some sweet CG... now I expect to be let down by the truth this year... or else it just won't show at all (to avoid the fallout).

Seeing a beautiful God of War 3 that is playable and perhaps another Shadow of Colossus game would be a treat... but I'm most excited about the idea of seeing games I have either not even heard about, or seen very little of (Too Human, etc). Specifically, new games that are not sequels to tired franchises (A prettier GT or Tekken is nice, but no longer excites me).

[Dagless]

^:confused: what now...its confirmed. Unless they say different at E3 then thats how it is. PSP nothing next gen for handhelds:confused: ....ok ok im going to stop....back on track now.

I see sony burning a hole in E3 this year.....with all the goodies for the PSP and PS3...its going to be wonderful...i really dont care about blu-ray that much.


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What I meant was the PSP used readily available technology. Mini CD/DVD readers? Been going since Minidisc days. Bright screens? pocket PC. it's all 'old' tech, in it's most cynical way. Whereas the PS3 is using brand spanking new tech that is far from tried and tested, hell BluRay isn't even out yet (or did it sneak out?). The Cell is in 1 medical workstation computer thus far. With, from what I can guess is a relatively small userbase. I'm just saying it's using tech that is going to take time to build up to the amount of PS3's needed for a global launch.

Sony confirmed it I know. But do you really believe it? to me this is hyperbole. They couldn't get a handheld out on a simultaneous worldwide launch, even MS couldn't do it. What makes you think Sony can with a new-tech console?

[2nyRiggz]

Sony confirmed it I know. But do you really believe it? to me this is hyperbole. They couldn't get a handheld out on a simultaneous worldwide launch, even MS couldn't do it. What makes you think Sony can with a new-tech console?

I'm hoping they come true because i really don't trust any company. I do think they have a plan this time, i think they know what they are facing this time and need to get things right.....didn't all the companies announce worldwide launch?

As of games...has anyone heard of drake? not that superhero crap...i think its a horror game on the lines of RE......alone in the dark? i'm sorry but i lost hope for that game since the movie.

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[Haoshiro]

Wasn't the movie done by infamous Uwe Boll? I wouldn't write off a game because a movie made by that guy sucked... that's inevitable regardless of the game he is filming! ;)

[Dagless]

I'm hoping they come true because i really don't trust any company. I do think they have a plan this time, i think they know what they are facing this time and need to get things right.....didn't all the companies announce worldwide launch?

As of games...has anyone heard of drake? not that superhero crap...i think its a horror game on the lines of RE......alone in the dark? i'm sorry but i lost hope for that game since the movie.

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Hah! Alone in the Dark. I remember playing that on a mates PS1. Can't remember if it was good or bad.

ps. is it just me or are the games forums buzzing tonight? I post a message, go back to the main page and somebody has replied to an older topic. Is this the E3 syndrome in full swing?

[2nyRiggz]

Wasn't the movie done by infamous Uwe Boll? I wouldn't write off a game because a movie made by that guy sucked... that's inevitable regardless of the game he is filming! ;)


That guy sucks....He got angry cuz they didnt want him touching the silent hill movie(thank God)....i watched that alone in the dark and it left a bad taste in my mouth.

I guess everybody mind is on games today.

PS..Starwars battledfield 2 sucks for the PSP:)


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[MacRumorUser]

That guy sucks....He got angry cuz they didnt want him touching the silent hill movie(thank God)....i watched that alone in the dark and it left a bad taste in my mouth.

I guess everybody mind is on games today.

PS..Starwars battledfield 2 sucks for the PSP:)


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UWE BOLL. UWE BALLS more like it ;) :p Seriously has that guy ever made 1 decent film.

Enjoyed Silent Hill though. The best game to movie I've seen

[XNine]

PS3 is gonna own. I've loved the pass two consoles, and I really hope they provide us a really in-depth, detailed, and long sequel to ZONE OF THE ENDERS. And, at this point, MGS4 is the BIGGEST, MOST IMPORTANT THING IN GAMING!

Even Halo 3 doesn't give me the excitement MGS4 does.

I can't wait!

[greatdevourer]

^:confused: what now...its confirmed. Unless they say different at E3 then thats how it is. PSP nothing next gen for handhelds:confused: ....ok ok im going to stop....back on track now.

I see sony burning a hole in E3 this year.....with all the goodies for the PSP and PS3...its going to be wonderful...i really dont care about blu-ray that much.


Bless What he means is that there's little new tech in the PSP, whereas Cell chips are a pain to get right and blue lasers are a bugger and a half to manufacture

Also, they probably will, if they can get playable stuff out

[prophet621]

I haven't been keeping up on the PS3 progress of late but there are a few things that would sway my decision to buy one. While I do hate Sony and most of their products, I loved my PS1. PS2 I liked for a month or two and it's been collecting dust ever since.

Price is a big concern and I know it's going to be expensive. I only use the console for some games, most of my gaming is done on my computer. I'll probably wait until it's been out for a while and the price comes down.. along with the hardware glitches. I had a Gen1 PS2 that had the laser issues. My gen1 PS had issues as well.

Give us more hardware. One of the things that pissed me off with the PS2 was no HD (that was promised to be out shortly after release... more like years after release) I really don't want to keep spending more money for things that probably should have been bundled because Sony is run by a bunch of greedy pricks. Memory cards suck!

Free online play

Good games. The only games I really liked that were only available for the Playstation were the GT series. While I'm sure there were more I don't buy too many games. Spending 40-50 for a game that I'm bored with in a week is annoying and too much money for something I may not even like.

Ultimately the PS3 needs to be really impressive (more than simply eye-candy department) to get me to consider it. I want to feel it was a good purchase which I didn't feel that way with the PS2 (read above about hardware). It's getting a late start and I do hope they take the time to release a quality product.

[2nyRiggz]

UWE BOLL. UWE BALLS more like it ;) :p Seriously has that guy ever made 1 decent film.

Enjoyed Silent Hill though. The best game to movie I've seen


Indeed, Silent hill was excellent well at least for the fans of the series...he stayed true to it....but the critics bashed it...


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[2nyRiggz]

I've noticed sony has placed the PS3 on their playstation site but they are holding back....hope they show live feed.


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[whooleytoo]

I think quite a few people won't be choosing between the two consoles, but will be buying both - and the Revolution too. I certainly will.

[2nyRiggz]

Check out the PS3 ads at E3.....i think its about online play....i like the new tagline.


http://www.gamespot.com/news/6149281.html


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[coffey7]

I bought killzone for the ps2 and it was so bad I took it to the store and traded it the next day. The AI was really bad. It was not a halo killer.
I usually buy every system but I will not buy the new Wii. The ps3 will not be in the U.S. untill early 07. I really hate it when the new games for ps2 came out in Japan 6 months to a year in advance before coming to the U.S. I don't know why. The U.S is the number 1 buyer of games and systems. The ps3 will have a lesser advantage than in years past. Most of the games will also go to the 360. Final fantasy, resident evil 5, etc will go to the 360. I'm just sticking with my 360 and the ps3. I have a friend whos Dad works for sony and the ps3 will not be in America in MASS untill 07.

[Abulia]

Atari announced their E3 lineup of games and there wasn't one PS3 title on the list.

WTF? :confused:

[Dagless]

... have a friend whos Dad works for sony and the ps3 will not be in America in MASS untill 07.

That's funny, I have a banana who speaks to Steve Jobs who attended a lecture about the theory of chutney by the Synergy overlord Darth Coogan. HE said that the PS3 will take a flight out to the biscuit world, spreading it's payload of miniaturised speakers that will all contain bits of the Cell chip. They will each sing a different song as they float diagonally towards the ground, where men in blue suits will pick them up and assemble them in the gardens of houses they fall in. Caravans are not included in this deal. This will be in Novemeber 1066. Add a number of years. But this was a rumour from a talking jackal outside a gambling depot. he might have been lying to get more gambling money.

[Abulia]

That's funny, I have a banana who speaks to Steve Jobs who attended a lecture about the theory of chutney by the Synergy overlord Darth Coogan. HE said that the PS3 will take a flight out to the biscuit world, spreading it's payload of miniaturised speakers that will all contain bits of the Cell chip. They will each sing a different song as they float diagonally towards the ground, where men in blue suits will pick them up and assemble them in the gardens of houses they fall in. Caravans are not included in this deal. This will be in Novemeber 1066. Add a number of years. But this was a rumour from a talking jackal outside a gambling depot. he might have been lying to get more gambling money.

Thread. Winnar!

:D

[AlmightyG5]

That's funny, I have a banana who speaks to Steve Jobs who attended a lecture about the theory of chutney by the Synergy overlord Darth Coogan. HE said that the PS3 will take a flight out to the biscuit world, spreading it's payload of miniaturised speakers that will all contain bits of the Cell chip. They will each sing a different song as they float diagonally towards the ground, where men in blue suits will pick them up and assemble them in the gardens of houses they fall in. Caravans are not included in this deal. This will be in Novemeber 1066. Add a number of years. But this was a rumour from a talking jackal outside a gambling depot. he might have been lying to get more gambling money.
LOL...omg...gotta...settle...down. Ok, all I gotta say is lets wait 3 hours and we will have a live feed from gamespot on the PS3 Press confence. HAAHWHOOOO!!

[coffey7]

Good luck finding a ps3 before 2007. Even if you preorder it you still will not get it for another 6-8 months. Remember the goods go to Japan first.

[2nyRiggz]

Here we go..it begins....

coded Arms
Heavenly Sword
Eight days
MGS:4

the controller stays the same with 6degree motion(i dont like this)....the price and the release date...oh yea sweet indeed


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[Haoshiro]

Only MGS4 seemed purchase worth compared to other games... but hey, if it's worth $600 to ya then go for it!

[2nyRiggz]

I'm not looking at the 60gig....i rather like the 20gig...The 20gig is loaded.
I saw alot of those games that looked interesting....I'm kinda glad they kept the controller but that 6degree crap is crap...they won't use it much(it sucks)

They really didn't get into the online much....that sucked. I'm ready to download PS1 games now.


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[grapes911]

Only MGS4 seemed purchase worth compared to other games... but hey, if it's worth $600 to ya then go for it!
As a huge MG fan from way back in the day, I really would consider paying $600 for MGS4. Don't underestimate the power video games has over some people.

Heck, I bet I'd love the other games too. I can't wait for Madden '07.

[Haoshiro]

I'm not looking at the 60gig....i rather like the 20gig...The 20gig is loaded.
I saw alot of those games that looked interesting....I'm kinda glad they kept the controller but that 6degree crap is crap...they won't use it much(it sucks)

They really didn't get into the online much....that sucked. I'm ready to download PS1 games now.


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I was just saying, System + Game + Tax is going to cost $600+ no matter how you figure it...

[XNine]

I was just saying, System + Game + Tax is going to cost $600+ no matter how you figure it...

And even still is a better deal then the 360. MGS 4 by itself is going to be worth it if it surpasses the intensity of the 3rd game. There is NO other game on ANY console that I'm looking forward to, let alone anyone who loves MGS.

FFXIII also looks really good. I'm impressed.

[Haoshiro]

Wel hey, you can find other posts on this forum where I have said they could price it at $500-600 and sell it like mad, no arguement their.

Funny that MGS is a third-party, it would have been hilarious to see it debute on 360... what would happen to the PS3 then? lol. Pointless speculation though, just funny their most popular games are not necessarily ones they own...

[Abulia]

I'm not looking at the 60gig....i rather like the 20gig...The 20gig is loaded.Without the HDMI port the 20gb machine is just an overpriced 360. You need HDMI to use HDCP if you plan on watching any Blu-Ray movies in HD. That means minimum $600 buy in.

Get your movie, a game, and a spare controller, your PS3 just set you back $750. :eek:

[grapes911]

Without the HDMI port the 20gb machine is just an overpriced 360. You need HDMI to use HDCP if you plan on watching any Blu-Ray movies in HD. That means minimum $600 buy in.

Just because you won't get full HD, doesn't mean Blu-ray will be worthless on the lower end PS2. You'll be able to play Blu-ray games which should be better than DVD games just because it can old more GBs of data.

[Abulia]

Just because you won't get full HD, doesn't mean Blu-ray will be worthless on the lower end PS2. You'll be able to play Blu-ray games which should be better than DVD games just because it can old more GBs of data.Oh come on. By that logic a PC game that ships on 6 CD-ROMs should be better than one that ships on 2? :rolleyes:

You're seriously stating that PS3 games will be better because they have more storage? :)

I know the Sony presentation was weak, but that's just flailing for a "glass half full" position. :)

[JRM PowerPod]

The PS3 is the same price as a X1900 graphics card. Quit whinging get over it. Its good value. I'll get one for my room and one for down stairs.

Saves me spending
$1000 on a FX60 2.6Ghz
$200 on a motherboard
$500 on a ati X1900
$300 on 2 gb Ram
$150 on Hard disk
$100 on Windows
$100 on keyboard and mouse
$50 on Optical Drive
$50 on wireless
$150 on a case
$50 on fans
$1000 on a pioneer blu ray drive

did i forget anything else?
if i did, my point has been made regardless, coz the PS3 will end up with a better gaming result than this mega bucks machine.

[XNine]

Wel hey, you can find other posts on this forum where I have said they could price it at $500-600 and sell it like mad, no arguement their.

Funny that MGS is a third-party, it would have been hilarious to see it debute on 360... what would happen to the PS3 then? lol. Pointless speculation though, just funny their most popular games are not necessarily ones they own...

Why? Cos third party devs suck on Nintendo? Nintendo is not the staple of gaming anymore like it was in 87.

[grapes911]

Oh come on. By that logic a PC game that ships on 6 CD-ROMs should be better than one that ships on 2? :rolleyes:

You're seriously stating that PS3 games will be better because they have more storage? :)

I know the Sony presentation was weak, but that's just flailing for a "glass half full" position. :)

6-2 isn't that big of a deal. But 1 Blu-ray disk is better than 40 DVDs. More data can lead to better and longer story lines.

[EvilDoc]

i saw this and thought of this thread.. Flame on.
http://www.interpretivearson.com/gallery/albums/album04/flame.sized.jpg

[Dagless]

That looks like my bedroom.

anyways. I won't be buying a PS3. I would have stuck with that horrid boomerang controller just to get vibration. and gyro features? Wow. colour me surprised. Sony copies Nintendo :D I'm so glad this is the first time.

Oh and best comment ever The PS3. Now with the Wiimote and Xbox Live

:D That person deserves a knighthood. I will no longer be buying a PS3. 360 looks a little obsolete now though and severely needs a price drop.

So is it not a global launch anymore? I just saw a pic that said "North America - November" and listed a bunch of prices. Prices that seem absurd really. I want a god damn gaming machine, nothing more. if sony made quality hardware then I'd be tempted to buy one but the feeling of having to buy more than 1 PS3 in it's lifetime turns me off. *track record*

Sorry but I hate the Dual Shock controller. I've always had to use 3rd party controllers just for the sheer uncomfortableness of the original. I mean what, no rumble and no analogue as main input? Seems a little backwards to me.

I wonder if Sony/Playstation will do something original for once? And how cheap can I get a 360 these days?

[grapes911]

So is it not a global launch anymore? I just saw a pic that said "North America - November" and listed a bunch of prices.
Japan will get it November 11. North America and Europe will get it on the 17. That's close to a "global launch". In the past, there are instances where systems have come out in Japan months before anywhere else.

[MacRumorUser]

Hey a short staggered release is now at elast plausible if M$ can do it.

599 is a heck of a lot of money though.. Especially as you can bet M$ will be down to 349.

The games looked ok, but again they showed a ton of FMV intro scenes rather than gameplay, I'm not even sure if any of Heavenly Sword was gameplay - it looked stunning though.

And GT4 HD, wow thats really great, look we can take an already able to run in 1080i ps2 game and make it run in 1080p on the ps3, look at us harnessing the power of ps3... mmmmm :rolleyes:

I probably pre-order one now anyway, just so I can sell it a couple weeks before christmas for three times the price, and with the extra profict/dosh splash out on a shed load of games for xbox 360 and buy a nintendo wii :) :) :)

[Project]

The Dual Shock is good for one thing: Pro Evolution Soccer

And even then the Dual Shock doesnt even "Shock" no more lol

[2nyRiggz]

i saw this and thought of this thread.. Flame on.



The Flames were already on dude...last night just added more gas.


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[Haoshiro]

6-2 isn't that big of a deal. But 1 Blu-ray disk is better than 40 DVDs. More data can lead to better and longer story lines.

How so? They can fit 9GB on a Dual layer DVD now, and the BDs are only at 30GB currently.

[Haoshiro]

Hey a short staggered release is now at elast plausible if M$ can do it.

599 is a heck of a lot of money though.. Especially as you can bet M$ will be down to 349.

The games looked ok, but again they showed a ton of FMV intro scenes rather than gameplay, I'm not even sure if any of Heavenly Sword was gameplay - it looked stunning though.

And GT4 HD, wow thats really great, look we can take an already able to run in 1080i ps2 game and make it run in 1080p on the ps3, look at us harnessing the power of ps3... mmmmm :rolleyes:

I probably pre-order one now anyway, just so I can sell it a couple weeks before christmas for three times the price, and with the extra profict/dosh splash out on a shed load of games for xbox 360 and buy a nintendo wii :) :) :)

Several of the games were being played, including Heavenly Sword. That game impressed me the least though graphically.

MGS4 and Resistance were both impressive. But not *amazing* even compared to Gears of War or Too Human. Good plan with the PS3 buy/sell though!

[grapes911]

How so? They can fit 9GB on a Dual layer DVD now, and the BDs are only at 30GB currently.

Sorry, my calculations didn't include Dual layer DVDs. That was a mistake on my part. But they've already created 200 GB Bly-ray disks. 1 Blu-ray is still way better than 22 DVDs.

[Dagless]

Sorry, my calculations didn't include Dual layer DVDs. That was a mistake on my part. But they've already created 200 GB Bly-ray disks. 1 Blu-ray is still way better than 22 DVDs.

How much of this is possible though? I keep reading about BluRay storing all these fancy numbers, all different. What IS the limit? Doesn't fill me with confidence that BluRay doesn't feel finished yet.

[AvSRoCkCO1067]

Sorry, my calculations didn't include Dual layer DVDs. That was a mistake on my part. But they've already created 200 GB Bly-ray disks. 1 Blu-ray is still way better than 22 DVDs.

The first year of games are going to be on 30 GB discs. These 200 GB discs aren't ready for major production. For comparison's sake, we should use what we have now - however, I have heard that they've made 60 GB discs that are available for widespread production, but I don't think they're using these for games until after the first year or so has gone by (they're more expensive).

[grapes911]

How much of this is possible though? I keep reading about BluRay storing all these fancy numbers, all different. What IS the limit? Doesn't fill me with confidence that BluRay doesn't feel finished yet.

TDK already has working 200 GB prototypes. I think Sony and others do too. To me, it sounds like we are already way ahead of where we were with DVDs at this point of the development process.

[NATO]

For information, the reason the new controller does not feature the dual-shock technology is probably not why Sony says so. Nintendo are implementing force feedback into their new controller, why not Sony?

I believe the real reason is because Sony refused to license the technology from Immersion Technologies after they successfully sued Sony for copyright infringement (see http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6145853.html) Where Microsoft (and presumably Nintendo) chose to settle out of court and go on to become a licensee, Sony seems to have taken the opposite route, instead opting to remove the dual-shock from the new controllers.

Of course I could be wrong, but I think this seems a lot more likely than Sony's official story, especially as Nintendo are putting a motion sensor alongside force feedback.

[grapes911]

The first year of games are going to be on 30 GB discs. These 200 GB discs aren't ready for major production. For comparison's sake, we should use what we have now - however, I have heard that they've made 60 GB discs that are available for widespread production, but I don't think they're using these for games until after the first year or so has gone by (they're more expensive).
You are correct. 200 GB disks for the public is a when, not an if. I'm not planing on using my system for a year or two and forgetting about it. If I'm going to drop $600 on a system, I'm looking at the advantages for years to come.

[MacRumorUser]

Actually I thought bluRay discs are single-layer at 25gb

http://www.mobilemag.com/content/images/7337_large.jpg

So I imagine nearly ALL PS3 releases for some considerable time will be on SingleLayer discs, and they'll be struggling to fill them - especially multiformat releases.

[Haoshiro]

Chances are we won't see games that use something more then 30GB.

How many games in PS2/Xbox used 2 DVDs even? How many 360 games so far?

[grapes911]

Actually I thought bluRay discs are single-layer at 25gb

image

So I imagine nearly ALL PS3 releases for some considerable time will be on SingleLayer discs, and they'll be struggling to fill them - especially multiformat releases.


I think 45-54GB is dual layer, but I've read that even though Blu-ray is expensive, single and dual layers disks are going to cost about the same. You may see most things on dual layer even if it isn't needed.

[MacRumorUser]

I think we all missed this. From IGN
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Looking at the official press site of SCEA, we noticed that the PS3 with the 20 gigabyte hard drive seemed to lack HDMI support. This seems to be confirmed by an offical press release from SCEA, which indicates via comparison between the two systems. However, it also indicates that the 20 gigabyte system won't have Memory Stick, SD or Compact Flash reading capability or WiFi support. Even worse, it appears that rumble doesn't appear to be included with the new six axis sensing controller.

Could the 20 gig become a gamer shunned system? When Microsoft launched the Xbox 360, consumers hated the Core system that didn't come with a hard drive and other features, quickly dubbing it the "tard pack." Will the 20 gig suffer the same fate? We'll have more details as we get them from the show.

Update: It also appears that Sony has ditched dual-HDMI support altogether, even from its high-end 60GB system. Whether or not the system is still capable of running dual-displays by using both HDMI and the AV multi-out is unknown.

Also, Sony announced that the Blu-ray disc drive in the PS3 will run at 2X, or roughly 72Mbps.

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So No Wifi, Memorycard reader or HDMI for the 20gb model :mad:

And Surprise Surprise they dropped dual display altogether.. Im soooo :eek:
We knew it was a redundant feature before it even began.......

[NATO]

The 20GB Model certainly looks to be a 'Core' system due to the lack of HDMI. Seems so silly really as unlike a 'Core' Xbox 360, you can't upgrade the system to a full version later, you're stuck with the console without HDMI, and thus you can't watch 99% of High-Definition DVDs due to the lack of HDCP support which requires the HDMI connector.

Seems the 60GB is the smart choice of the two, and it's probably going to upset a lot of consumers who buy the 20GB model who don't realise the difference and get annoyed when their new shiny Blueray Movie won't play on their TV.

[grapes911]

I think we all missed this. From IGN

I was about to say, how do you miss it the rest of us all read it in this thread. But then I remembered that there are like 3, 4, or 5 threads about the PS3 at E3. I can't keep track of them all. Information overload.

[Mord]

i think sony deliberately made the "tard pack" the same as the premium 360.

i'll probably get one seeing as the ps3 does not have the glareing faults the ps2 had, such as online play no HDD.

though tbh i'd prefer the bomerang pads, dual shocks give me hand cramp.

[xli_ne]

http://www.hdbeat.com/media/2006/05/ps3spec2.jpg

[xli_ne]

how can someone save their game saves when there is no memory card support on the 20GB?

Is there going to be different memory cards like the other two playstations?

[2nyRiggz]

I love the classic DS controllers....i'm glad they changed it back(i was hoping they did)...i'm going to miss the rumble but i don't care much for it but will still be missed.

Hevenly Sword, MGS4, Eight days, Resistence made my mouth water.....yum!

Note: Xli NE.....there is a 20gig HD dude..

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[MacRumorUser]

I was about to say, how do you miss it the rest of us all read it in this thread. But then I remembered that there are like 3, 4, or 5 threads about the PS3 at E3. I can't keep track of them all. Information overload.

LOL! :D Yeah I just spotted the other now... Too Many Threads, I get :confused: :confused:


Yeah the 499 system is a total pile of ****. Your not even getting a blu-ray player as like other said the image will be scaled down to SD, hence DVD quality :rolleyes:

microsoft may have had a core system, but at least it was capable of doing everything the premium did, albeit without a hard drive. Sony's bottom price console is absolutley retarded in comparison, only a moron would spend 499 on a console so lacking in its 100 more-expensive brother...

Dont Buy 499 should be the new slogan....

[MacRumorUser]

how can someone save their game saves when there is no memory card support on the 20GB?

Is there going to be different memory cards like the other two playstations?

Yet another problem with the 'Tard' pack :rolleyes:

Probably some work around, but at the moment it seems like a HUGE waste of a console..

[xli_ne]

Note: Xli NE.....there is a 20gig HD dude..

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ah.... very true. But not very portable if you wanted to take your saved games to someone elses house.

[AvSRoCkCO1067]

You are correct. 200 GB disks for the public is a when, not an if. I'm not planing on using my system for a year or two and forgetting about it. If I'm going to drop $600 on a system, I'm looking at the advantages for years to come.

That makes sense. :)

[AvSRoCkCO1067]

i think sony deliberately made the "tard pack" the same as the premium 360.

i'll probably get one seeing as the ps3 does not have the glareing faults the ps2 had, such as online play no HDD.

though tbh i'd prefer the bomerang pads, dual shocks give me hand cramp.

I wouldn't call it the same as the core 360; in fact, I might call it worse. Like others have said, you can upgrade the core to meet the premium standards with the 360 - you can't do this with the Playstation 3.

[grapes911]

how can someone save their game saves when there is no memory card support on the 20GB?The hard drive. I don't know how to transfer it from PS3 to PS3, though.

Is there going to be different memory cards like the other two playstations?I think the PS3 will use the Sony memory stick that they use in many of their cameras, laptops, and other things.

[Mavimao]

I can't help but think that Sony has seriously shot themselves in the foot. Releasing that crippled of a crippled PS3 at 500 dollars....500 DOLLARS! One of the biggest advantages Sony had was the Blu-Ray HD player in their system and it won't even be available on their low-end system which costs half a grand!

Add in that controller which hasn't seen an update in a decade...

As GOB would say...COME ON!

As history has taught us, the most powerful systems (ie: the most expensive) have usually failed compared to their cheaper, less powerful competitors (Atari 2600=Colecovision, NES=Master System, Game Boy/DS=Game Gear/Lynx/Gizmondo/NGAGE/PSP, PS1=Saturn/N64)

The PS3 will sell I am certain of that, but I can see the 360 winning the more hardcore gamers market and the Wii gaining a lot of new marketshare.

[Haoshiro]

But how many consumers will buy the cheaper option and not realize they are shooting themselves in the foot?

For the casual people who think they know what they are getting, this could really suck!

[MacRumorUser]

But how many consumers will buy the cheaper option and not realize they are shooting themselves in the foot?

For the casual people who think they know what they are getting, this could really suck!

I'd say a HUGE amount of them.

[ChrisK018]

I thought I could handle a $500 price tag... but $600 for solid set up? Ouch. I'm going to have to think about this one. The Wii is looking better and better.

[Wiimote™]

I thought I could handle a $500 price tag... but $600 for solid set up? Ouch. I'm going to have to think about this one. The Wii is looking better and better.

When you think about it, $600 is a mere 20% more than you expected. As if the Wii would cost $180. Not that big a difference. I won't say more than that because people won't like my name and may start flamewar even though I officialy spoke in PS3favor.

[greatdevourer]

Sorry, my calculations didn't include Dual layer DVDs. That was a mistake on my part. But they've already created 200 GB Bly-ray disks. 1 Blu-ray is still way better than 22 DVDs. The current 200GB experiments aren't readable by production players

[Sdashiki]

For those who dont know...

there has been the ABILITY to have large amounts of data on ALL TYPES of media.

I mean data is just a one and a zero.

An on and an off.

A pit and a smooth spot.

I remember reading all about an engineer who had successfully placed 1 TERABYTE of data onto a piece of silicon ( i think it was ).

Problem was, there was nothing capable of extracting, or reading, the data.

Technology goes quick though.

I remember last year thinking 90nm processes were some hot shizzle, now we down to 65nm.


and when it comes to Blu Ray having 55Gb capactiy.

Where is all that space gonna go? Are HD movies really gonna end up filling a whole Blu Ray disc, even with extras etc? We created digital compression codecs for a reason.

[grapes911]

The current 200GB experiments aren't readable by production players
That is true, but companies believe that because of the nature of it's laser, they can upgrade Blu-ray players to play larger disks with just a firmware upgrade. Will this be the case? No one is sure yet, but at least we know they have at least thought about the potential problem.

[CHROMEDOME]

Hold on, So wheres the Dual HDMI, 2 other ethernet ports,and up to 7 controllers?

[grapes911]

Hold on, So wheres the Dual HDMI, 2 other ethernet ports,and up to 7 controllers?
Where are they? Back on post #80 of this thread. :p

Dual HDMI would be nice, but not necessary.
I can't imagine needing more than one ethernet port.
Only for controllers totally sucks.

[2nyRiggz]

those games looked so good...not interested in the card crap but damn that machine is sexy....I'm going for the black one.

Hevenly sword everybody...damn!!

that naughty dog game had me as well...

Sing star looks great


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[coffey7]

I have a friend whos Dad works for sony and the ps3 will not be in America in MASS untill 07.[/QUOTE]

This is a rumor web site. You would think people on here would take rumors for what they are.Is it so hard to think there will be a shortage and you might not be able to find one untill 1st of the year.

[MacRumorUser]

You would think people on here would take rumors for what they are.Is it so hard to think there will be a shortage and you might not be able to find one untill 1st of the year.

Exaclty. Like there is EVERY year regardless of whether its a new console, new handleld or a marketing redesign (slim ps2).

OF COURSE there's going to be MAJOR shortfall with the amount of consoles available for launch.

Sony estimate 2 million, Microsoft estimated the same but only managed about 1 million, blaming poor yield. IBM have ALWAYs been notorious when it comes to delivering in bulk (just look at there track record it speaks for itself), so the 2 million Sony estimate for a very complex chip like the cell seems to be way over mark.

Expect about the same amount as the 360, 1 million with 300,000 sent to each territory roughly, anything over a million and I will be surprised...

EXPECT very few machines in stock, Same problems with those with pre-orders still not getting them (pre-order VERY EARLY PEOPLE) and a lot of dissapointment at christmas.. Oh and plenty of people queing up for hours if not days only to get a console and then flog it for 3X on EBAY....

HISTORY alway's repeats itself.....

[2nyRiggz]

^Like every other console....none of them will escape this....making it seem as if its a sony thing...think nintendo will escape it? DS lite anyone?.....Same crap different day.


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[mrgreen4242]

^Like every other console....none of them will escape this....making it seem as if its a sony thing...think nintendo will escape it? DS lite anyone?.....Same crap different day.


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I bet the Wii will not have massive shortages on launch. It'll be tough get one in some of the urban centers, but only until the next shipment comes in a week later. No months long waits, though. The DS lite seemed to be more an issue with unexpectedly large demand. It was a redesign of a system that was fairly new, I don't think they anticipated that kind of demand. They will with the Wii.

Chip yields should be good, assuming it is still based on the 603c or whatever the GCN uses, and there isn't a ton of memory in there that will delay things. I'm betting anyone who wants one will be able to get it for Christmas.

[Haoshiro]

I don't know, a couple Christmas' ago I tried to buy my nephew a GCN and every place I went to was out of stock. I ended up having to drive 3 hours away and visit a half dozen shops before finally finding a place that had them in stock...

[2nyRiggz]

I bet the Wii will not have massive shortages on launch. It'll be tough get one in some of the urban centers, but only until the next shipment comes in a week later. No months long waits, though. The DS lite seemed to be more an issue with unexpectedly large demand. It was a redesign of a system that was fairly new, I don't think they anticipated that kind of demand. They will with the Wii.

Chip yields should be good, assuming it is still based on the 603c or whatever the GCN uses, and there isn't a ton of memory in there that will delay things. I'm betting anyone who wants one will be able to get it for Christmas.


Right:confused: ......same will happen to them cuz it seems as if a lot of people are interested.....prove to me then i'll go along.

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[mrgreen4242]

I don't know, a couple Christmas' ago I tried to buy my nephew a GCN and every place I went to was out of stock. I ended up having to drive 3 hours away and visit a half dozen shops before finally finding a place that had them in stock...

Well, you do live in Kansas, after all. I'm just kidding of course. The moral of that story was that you did find one, in a store, at retail price.

If you wanted a 360 last Xmas, you most likely had to pay 150%+ on eBay for it, if you couldn't find it in the stores.

I'm guessing the Wii will be similar. It might sell out at your local Best Buy, but the one in the next county will have some extra, and they'll ship 'em over next Tuesday.

Better yields = faster supply chain refills = less shortage. I'm simply betting the Wii's CPU and GPU will offer substantially greater yields than the 360 or PS3.

[Dagless]

I live in the UK. I don't think any console has been hard to get hold of. Especially up in the hills! Seriously, a mate went out into Oldham town centre about 1 week after the 360 launch and bought a Premium one on an impulse buy. Very accessible up here. Though I will be preordering a Wii just to be totally safe, my sister has more money than me. She could pretty much pay any price for one, even if it means double off some guy in the street. And there's no way my sister gets one and I don't :cool:

[Haoshiro]

Well, you do live in Kansas, after all. I'm just kidding of course. The moral of that story was that you did find one, in a store, at retail price.

If you wanted a 360 last Xmas, you most likely had to pay 150%+ on eBay for it, if you couldn't find it in the stores.

I'm guessing the Wii will be similar. It might sell out at your local Best Buy, but the one in the next county will have some extra, and they'll ship 'em over next Tuesday.

Better yields = faster supply chain refills = less shortage. I'm simply betting the Wii's CPU and GPU will offer substantially greater yields than the 360 or PS3.

Yes, but this was also after the system had been out for a couple years (2003), not exactly launch day when the least number of units are available.

[mrgreen4242]

Yes, but this was also after the system had been out for a couple years (2003), not exactly launch day when the least number of units are available.

AH, sorry, didn't realize that you were talking THAT recently. Shrug, that sounds more like ineptitude of your local retailers than Nintendo not supplying enough units.

[2nyRiggz]

Oh my.....PSP games are looking great.

Vice City Stories
Silent Hill Origins
Metal Gear: Potable ops
Lumines 2
Killzone

Oh yea.


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[Haoshiro]

AH, sorry, didn't realize that you were talking THAT recently. Shrug, that sounds more like ineptitude of your local retailers than Nintendo not supplying enough units.

Perhaps, but i'm even talking Kansas City, MO. Kansas as a state may very well be behind the times, bit KC does not tend to be one of those places. Maybe it was simply a fluke, but it seemed like GameCube's were "all the rage" that holiday...

[Haoshiro]

Oh my.....PSP games are looking great.

Vice City Stories
Silent Hill Origins
Metal Gear: Potable ops
Lumines 2
Killzone

Oh yea.


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This actually what I don't like, so many sequels or at least spin-offs that are so similar to their predecessors.

DS is the only thing to compare to and Nintendo, imho, seems to be able make even their sequels different then previous iterations. Even though DS does get a few of the same, in the majority the big and best games seem to be pretty fresh/new.

That's my complaint with Sony lately, that the bulk of the lineup seems to be factory-produced sequels that aren't much different to the last version. Often feeling more like "upgrades" then true sequels. I'm sure a lot of people like that, I'm rather bored of it myself. :\

[2nyRiggz]

Well for me...if the story is good and the gameplay rocks then i dont see a problem...B-Boy:p(crazy game)

All of the games i mention are new stories with different characters....except snake(but i see this as a online game only) but what i'm looking foward to is Silent Hill Origins....


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[Haoshiro]

Evidently they've had at least one PS3 freeze (http://www.techeblog.com/index.php/tech-gadget/ps3-final-specs-and-e3-mishap) at E3 already, hopefully they work this out...

It was during the Sonic demo, which had been shown running all the way through at other times, so it is mostly likely a hardware problem.

What worries me is that these units may be final (or close to it), especially if they intend to product 4 million units between now and Dec 31st 2006.

[2nyRiggz]

Wow A. Creed is another game i really never payed attention but it looks like its going to be a killer.


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[mrgreen4242]

So I have to ask... now that we all know a PS3 w/ and HDMI port (which is the only way you'll be able to watch DRM'd BluRay movies) is $600, how many of you are planning to shell out for one?

I'm just really curious how this has effected peoples plans. If you aren't going to get one for $600, would have have paid $400 or $500, if the $500 system had an HDMI port?

[grapes911]

So I have to ask... now that we all know a PS3 w/ and HDMI port (which is the only way you'll be able to watch DRM'd BluRay movies) is $600, how many of you are planning to shell out for one?

I'm just really curious how this has effected peoples plans. If you aren't going to get one for $600, would have have paid $400 or $500, if the $500 system had an HDMI port?

I was expecting it to be about $500 for a full system. I purchased both Playstations on their release days, so I leaning that towards one anyway. I was waiting see some games videos before I made a final decision between the 360 and the PS3. I'm sold. I would love it cheaper, but I have no problem spending $600 for this investment. And there no matter what the lower end model included or didn't include, I wouldn't even think of purchasing it.

[2nyRiggz]

I'll be out more than $600 cuz i'll be picking up an extra controller and at least three games....dont worry i have my funds for it already..at least i dont have to buy add ons like i did for my 360...plus the Wii will set me back some cuz im getting 2 wimote as well.


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[ManchesterTrix]

[QUOTE=mrgreen4242]So I have to ask... now that we all know a PS3 w/ and HDMI port (which is the only way you'll be able to watch DRM'd BluRay movies) is $600, how many of you are planning to shell out for one?
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There could be an HDCP DVI port.

[XNine]

So I have to ask... now that we all know a PS3 w/ and HDMI port (which is the only way you'll be able to watch DRM'd BluRay movies) is $600, how many of you are planning to shell out for one?

I'm just really curious how this has effected peoples plans. If you aren't going to get one for $600, would have have paid $400 or $500, if the $500 system had an HDMI port?

I'll be getting one, plus one or two games, maybe an extra controller. Price is of no concern to me. Not that I'm rich, but I know where my priorities lie and am more than capable of making a purchase like this. Hell, I'd pay 800 bucks for the thing.

[Haoshiro]

I'll be out more than $600 cuz i'll be picking up an extra controller and at least three games....dont worry i have my funds for it already..at least i dont have to buy add ons like i did for my 360...plus the Wii will set me back some cuz im getting 2 wimote as well.

What accessories did you need? I could have used Wi-Fi, perhaps even the charge and play but I didn't get them. instead I got an extra wireless and two wired. :)

EDIT: No comments on the PS3 freezing at E3?

[sam10685]

Honestly, I think this generation is going to be the worst generation, in terms of quality control.

I've had issues with my 360 already, and I can only imagine how much worse the PS3 is going to be.

They're still manufacturing core hardware for that system. Last I read, they were still in a fight with IBM over the design of the Cell processor...

Things aren't looking good for Sony - especially with the Blu-Ray fiasco on top of this.


I'd like to pick one up, but we'll have to see if they can even create a functioning system on time.

I imagine the PS3 will be the most troublesome of the three new systems (especially at launch). I just hope they have a free online system similar to Live - something to pressure Microsoft into lowering the cost of, or giving away their Live service.

One thing is for certain - I'm excited about E3.

hmmmm... interesting. u neglected to even mention the one console that's going to wipe everyone's ass all over the floor in terms of quality and functionality... The Nintendo Wii. :rolleyes:

[mrgreen4242]

[QUOTE=mrgreen4242]So I have to ask... now that we all know a PS3 w/ and HDMI port (which is the only way you'll be able to watch DRM'd BluRay movies) is $600, how many of you are planning to shell out for one?
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There could be an HDCP DVI port.

Why would they not include an HDMI port (DVI+sound+HDCP) on one model, and then add in a HDCP DVI port on it? Since they are making one with one form of digital output, wouldn't it make sense that if they were going to a protected digital connector on the other it would be the same?

Anyways, it's very interesting to hear all the people who say they will be buying the PS3 @ $600. I'm not knocking the system or anything, it's just not something I would buy, which is why I am curious to hear from the folks who are planning on it.

May I ask how much time you guys spend playing video games in, say, a month?

[Haoshiro]

May I ask how much time you guys spend playing video games in, say, a month?

Yeah, I second that. Although my guess is their are other things besides playing games they are planning on using it for.

Because what did they show that actually felt fresh? MGS4 looked excellent but it is one single player game... how many times is a person going to play through it?

[grapes911]

EDIT: No comments on the PS3 freezing at E3?

I'm not worried about it at all. Here some possible explanations:

1. The thing may have been running full throttle for hours and hours with everyone playing it.
2. No matter how good your development and manufacturing are, there will always be lemons.
3. It's still not the final release.
4. There is just as much chance that the disk/game was bad.

[Haoshiro]

I'm not worried about it at all. Here some possible explanations:

1. The thing may have been running full throttle for hours and hours with everyone playing it.
2. No matter how good your development and manufacturing are, there will always be lemons.
3. It's still not the final release.
4. There is just as much chance that the disk/game was bad.

True, my first gen PS1 did the same thing, turning it upside down worked like a charm, though...

[grapes911]

MGS4 looked excellent but it is one single player game... how many times is a person going to play through it?

Times I've played and beaten Metal Gear games:

MG - 1
MG2 - 1
MGS - 20+
MGS2 - 5-6
MSG3 - 7-9

[zelmo]

I'm resigned to ponying up $600 for the PS3, plus another $250 for three games and a 2nd controller.

Oh, and add another $200-250 for a Wii:rolleyes: , plus another $200 or so for a couple of games and extra controller parts and such.

Yikes, that's about $1,250!:eek: Man, I'm gonna owe The Wife™ big time for this. I sense a trip to the Coach store in my future...

[Haoshiro]

Times I've played and beaten Metal Gear games:

MG - 1
MG2 - 1
MGS - 20+
MGS2 - 5-6
MSG3 - 7-9

I could be wrong, but that says to me that MGS was groundbreaking. The sequels, though, have simply built on that and thus were less played compared to it.

So unless they really do something different, and besides making it much more action/FPS oriented, it doesn't look so far like they have... then this may get... what? 3-4 plays?

Of course, if their aren't many other games that good on the system maybe it will get even more playtime.

I bought my N64 just for Ocarina of Time and would have never complained if another good game never made it to the system. I'd be hard pressed to get myself to pay $600 if that is all I was going to do, though. $200 for the N64 worked... so by that logic I guess PS3 would need 3 games I considered absolute MUST HAVES, haha.

[XNine]

Times I've played and beaten Metal Gear games:

MG - 1
MG2 - 1
MGS - 20+
MGS2 - 5-6
MSG3 - 7-9

Word on that. But MGS:VR Missions I also beat multiple times. And I got MGS down to about an hour and 40 minutes in completion time on normal mode.

[grapes911]

I could be wrong, but that says to me that MGS was groundbreaking. The sequels, though, have simply built on that and thus were less played compared to it.

Sort of. MGS was different than most games before it. The fact that you could beat it without killing any enemies (except for bosses) was awesome. Also, I had some goals for myself (see below). But none of that takes away from MGS2 and 3 from being totally awesome games.

And I got MGS down to about an hour and 40 minutes in completion time on normal mode.

My goal was:
0 kills
0 times killed
0 continues
0 med-packs
under 2 hours.

I have to say after much play, I was successful.

[Haoshiro]

Sort of. MGS was different than most games before it. The fact that you could beat it without killing any enemies (except for bosses) was awesome. Also, I had some goals for myself (see below). But none of that takes away from MGS2 and 3 from being totally awesome games.



My goal was:
0 kills
0 times killed
0 continues
0 med-packs
under 2 hours.

I have to say after much play, I was successful.

A worth accomplishment, here's hoping for you that PS3 has a nice achievement system like 360. It's nice to have solid proof and bragging rights for such incredible feats of gaming! :)

[Dagless]

Oh aye MGS and MGS:TS just have bags of replay value. I rarely ever play a game twice from start to finish, but I'm 50% through on TS on Extremely Hard or whatever it's called. No radar or anything. very fun :) i couldn't play 2 or 3 again. 3 was better than 2 but still didn't have the power of the first game.
Exactly where Halo is going. Groundbreaking first game, the sequels don't add much else.

[grapes911]

A worth accomplishment, here's hoping for you that PS3 has a nice achievement system like 360. It's nice to have solid proof and bragging rights for such incredible feats of gaming! :)

I hope they do have some type of achievement system. I've beaten a lot of games, but there are only two that I've every really destroyed -- MGS and Super Mario Brothers 1 (I can beat it twice, back-to-back, without dying under 25 minutes). The problem is that most people don't believe me.

[Haoshiro]

I hope they do have some type of achievement system. I've beaten a lot of games, but there are only two that I've every really destroyed -- MGS and Super Mario Brothers 1 (I can beat it twice, back-to-back, without dying under 25 minutes). The problem is that most people don't believe me.

I can also say I have destroyed SMB1 at least. I beat it straight through 6 times without dying in a single session, finally quiting out of boredom with "99" lives (you know, they go so high they aren't numbers anymore).

[2nyRiggz]

What accessories did you need? I could have used Wi-Fi, perhaps even the charge and play but I didn't get them. instead I got an extra wireless and two wired. :)

EDIT: No comments on the PS3 freezing at E3?

Yea i had to get the wireless adapter and the charge and play.

Don't worry too much about the freeze....it was a dev box they used...should be tighten up by november.


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[Haoshiro]

To Sony: Why are you forcing me to pay for extras I don't want? You know as well as I do you do not need Blu-ray for MGS4, etc... yet you force me to fight on your side of the format war just to play a handful of games when I'd rather be neutral. Dang you Sony, I don't want to play anymore! :'(

[2nyRiggz]

Microsoft has been doing it for years....with IE n stuffs...i think the: game only on blu ray might fade....just like the PS2 blue CDs.


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[Haoshiro]

Microsoft has been doing it for years....with IE n stuffs...i think the: game only on blu ray might fade....just like the PS2 blue CDs.

But wait, IE is free. How much does it cost Sony to put the BD drive in a PS3, though? That cost is getting passed to us and then some. Take that out and they probably could be retailing the base system for $299... instead, I either shell out for hardware I don't need just to play a few good games that don't even need that to exist... *sigh*

[MacRumorUser]

I probably would have bought PS3 at 499 if it had HDMI. If the only differnce was the size of the HD I wouldnt of minded, but

No Wifi, No mem card and technically NO HD movies... Sod it, that's all I can say, and I've bought all sony consoles so far at launch, but this time they can keep it as it offers me nothing I cant get out of my xbox360 or a wii which I will be buying...

I think A LOT of people who are put off buying the 599 model, who would have gone for the 499 model, when told what they are missing and the fact that bluray movies are a wash out on the 499 model, will end up going for a 360 which will undoubtably be 349 at christmas - and is essentially exactly the same......

[Haoshiro]

Yes, if the had of included HDMI and Wi-Fi then I'd probably been able to justify the $499 spend since I *do* have a wireless network, plus I'd have at least tried one BD movie for kicks.

The Wi-Fi would have justified the extra $100 for me, but not $200. This is of course just me and my situation. Blu-ray, Wi-Fi, and a bigger harddrive shouldn't effect me being able to play their games but it does, and needlessly so. Heck, their low model, if priced at $399 and offering an upgrade path (even if it ended up costing more then the Premium, as it should) would have been more alluring.

But you're right, no upgrade path is a bunch of junk as well.

Curse you Sony!

[2nyRiggz]

But wait, IE is free. How much does it cost Sony to put the BD drive in a PS3, though? That cost is getting passed to us and then some. Take that out and they probably could be retailing the base system for $299... instead, I either shell out for hardware I don't need just to play a few good games that don't even need that to exist... *sigh*


Might be free but is it worth the Free tag...blu-ray just might be a better one ummm i think so. Hardware you don't need but would be a welcome to the house so the money is well spent....nothing is wrong with the cost for what u are getting..sure its high for a gaming console but its much more than that now...see it for that.


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[Abulia]

I probably would have bought PS3 at 499 if it had HDMI. If the only differnce was the size of the HD I wouldnt of minded, butThis is pretty much my opinion on the state of affairs. I'll see if they offer a DVI-HDCP option (which my set supports) but if not, sorry PS3. :(

I mean I like games and relaxing, but right now the PS3 offers me nothing that I can't get on the 360, today, at a much lower cost. I can't justify $800+ for a PS3 and some games that are marginally, at best (if that), better than my 360.

The Wii on the other hand? I've finally been able to see some video footage and my interest is piqued.

[2nyRiggz]

Anybody seen God Of War 2 trailer...awesome...y won't they bring this to PSP. I hope they got something in the works for the PS3.


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[Haoshiro]

Might be free but is it worth the Free tag...blu-ray just might be a better one ummm i think so. Hardware you don't need but would be a welcome to the house so the money is well spent....nothing is wrong with the cost for what u are getting..sure its high for a gaming console but its much more than that now...see it for that.

The point here is when something is free it is considered "value added", when you are paying for it then it can only be considered added value if you actually want it in the first place.

And I can't see it as "more than that" because it wouldn't be for me. I have a nice Mac computer, I also have a PC and a Laptop. These computers can store my music, browse the internet, connect to my TV, etc etc. I could put linux on any of them if I wanted to as well. Charging extra for all these unnecessary components is not justifiable in my setup, for some people it is. They even act like they are giving those consumers an option with the lower cost system - but they are not, they have a base system that can *never* be upgraded to add those extra features back in if one should want them.

So that just doesn't work; Blu-ray would not be welcome in those because it is useless. Data storage at that capacity would be welcome one place: in my computers. Not a console, not when I can't actually *use* that storage myself. They offer no choice to the consumers that have no use for that hardware, for them (and me) it would just sit in the system never utilized - totally pointless hardware that did one thing: waste money.

I have 2 PCs, I have a Mac, I have a 360, a GameCube, a HDTV, etc... the cost of a PS3 is something I could easily afford - but I am not in the habit of wasting money on hardware I won't use, not even $100.

[2nyRiggz]

If it doesn't work for you then fine leave it be....the only point you are trying to make is you don't want a PS3...fine. As for other people they see it as a plus to have included stuff so we heard you and you don't have to keep saying it.

Its your opinion...moving right along to PS3 and the topic


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[Haoshiro]

You're wrong, I'm saying I would like a PS3 and to play the PS3 games but am frustrated (as are others) that in order to do so I have to pay a premium on hardware that isn't even needed in order to achieve the primary objective: play PS3 games.

I have to pay extra for crippled (no TV in) media-center hardware just to get access to the Game System part of the PS3. :'(

[2nyRiggz]

People are always frustrated with stuff..this will not be the last. Sure i am angry about that price tag but i got over it now i'm interested in the system now.

If you notice i was angry too with the 20gig model but i had to get over it....no need to keep on going at it...sony won't change it.

I keep a positive face because there is always sweet with the sour...think i dont know that good much of the PSP games suck:)...but i look at the good ones and i'm glad for them.


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[Haoshiro]

Yeah, I guess it's that Sony, more then most companies, continually frustrates me... plus they can lie, trash talk, and make all sorts of false promises and get away with it. The hype and fandom just continue unabated as if they had not done any disservice; rather then say 'you know what, no thanks, i won't support your dishonesty - even if I'd like to play game X'.

[2nyRiggz]

Yeah, I guess it's that Sony, more then most companies, continually frustrates me... plus they can lie, trash talk, and make all sorts of false promises and get away with it. The hype and fandom just continue unabated as if they had not done any disservice; rather then say 'you know what, no thanks, i won't support your dishonesty - even if I'd like to play game X'.

Yea Sony can make up a storm of lies....but i never really take what they say until i see the final product(any company for that matter)...just a bunch of lies until i see the thing in action...i know all about sony but im more interested in the game side

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[Haoshiro]

Exactly, and and lots of people are willing to ignore the lies and support the lying company anyway.

I'm not saying the other companies haven't lied (MS/Nintendo) I just haven't heard them.

Even hearing Microsoft Xbox members talking about the PS3, etc. They don't tend to bash and stay professional, don't even spout of competitive lies. Then they even promote Nintendo by saying they think people really should experience the Wii, etc.

Being competitive is one thing, directly lying to your potential consumers and still getting their support, is something else and is at the core of my complaint.

[Dagless]

:)