Rock n' Roll rebirth

[dswan34]

Things seem to be looking up in the world of rock with bands like Coldplay, Audioslave and now Zwan. Among a few others. I just want to see the thoughts of people on a non-music based forum. Please discuss....

[vniow]

Where did it ever go?

[dswan34]

Originally posted by vniow
Where did it ever go?

Staight down the ****ter for a while, starting in the late nineties.
Now the rap/rock thing seems to be dieing off same with the influx of blink 182 look alikes. Next thing you know creed will be exposed for the repeatative trash the keep churning out.

[alex_ant]

My opinion is that rock & roll will be in the ****ter as long as Clear Channel and Cumulus are steering its course. Coldplay and the Strokes and U2 and so on are keeping it alive, but the spirit is not the same as it was in the 60s or even the early 90s. Even if rock & roll music were better than it used to be, it would still be "worse" because the magic has been sucked right out of it. There's no more waiting in line to snap up the latest Zep album at 12:00am now that the internet is here. Nobody really cares about rock & roll anymore. The mystique has been drained from it. It's now a cliche, a big joke, ruined by one too many indie rockers in tight-fitting secondhand clothes. (I don't think bands like Blink 182 or Alien Ant Farm ever were rock & roll. Just because they had guitars doesn't mean they were. They were always more like clowns to me.)

I will always revere the power of the Les Paul and the Marshall stack, but now that we have cheap Les Paul copies and Marshall sells a solid-state full stack for barely over $1000, there is little left to be fascinated by. I'm fascinated by the Beatles, but I'm not fascinated by the bajillions of bands who try so desperately to be as good as the Beatles and fail at it.

[Choppaface]

he he, I remeber looking for the stroke's album in stores, and I was pretty surprised to find that they were a current band

[jefhatfield]

Originally posted by alex_ant
My opinion is that rock & roll will be in the ****ter as long as Clear Channel and Cumulus are steering its course. Coldplay and the Strokes and U2 and so on are keeping it alive, but the spirit is not the same as it was in the 60s or even the early 90s. Even if rock & roll music were better than it used to be, it would still be "worse" because the magic has been sucked right out of it. There's no more waiting in line to snap up the latest Zep album at 12:00am now that the internet is here. Nobody really cares about rock & roll anymore. The mystique has been drained from it. It's now a cliche, a big joke, ruined by one too many indie rockers in tight-fitting secondhand clothes. (I don't think bands like Blink 182 or Alien Ant Farm ever were rock & roll. Just because they had guitars doesn't mean they were. They were always more like clowns to me.)

I will always revere the power of the Les Paul and the Marshall stack, but now that we have cheap Les Paul copies and Marshall sells a solid-state full stack for barely over $1000, there is little left to be fascinated by. I'm fascinated by the Beatles, but I'm not fascinated by the bajillions of bands who try so desperately to be as good as the Beatles and fail at it.

as a guitar player since 76 with great guitars and amps and cheap stuff at the same time, the gear has very, very little to do with the music

i will take the beatles using silvertone instruments and 30 watt fender practice amps before i will take some of the music i hear today with mesa boogie stacks and paul reed smith guitars

the urgency of rock today cannot match the revolutionary rebellion of the 50s and the youth movement of the 60s...that time will never happen again with that freshness like elvis, chuck berry, beatles, stones, motown, etc

[scem0]

Ive been listening to an awful lot of trapt lately. I strongly
recommend them. Zwan ain't all that great in my opinion.

[ELYXR]

I agree with Alex_Ant ... I saw Pearl Jam in 1991 in a 500 person capacity ballroom at UMASS. Everyone was packed in ... this was before "Alive" even hit MTV... it was a beautiful experience. I live in Seattle now, the local music scene is like living in a mental ward that over-prescribes sedatives. It needs a jolt, BAD! The problem is that the corporate entities have gotten too clever... they prune the garden way too early and way too often... they are addicted to cash flow and they understand how to spin the paradigm like a night in a Vegas casino... if you know what I mean. :rolleyes:

Anyway, MP3 file sharing is karma coming back to haunt them... it's hip, it's legal(?), and payback is a bitch! :eek:

[shadowfax]

Coldplay is just the best! i think they really are one of the few bands out there that is truly innovative with their style. another one, i think, is radiohead. i can't wait to see what they dish out for us this summer.

[krossfyter]

everything is cylical. rock goes in and it goes out and and so on. but yeah like jethatfield said.. there wont be a time like that of the 50s and 60s....but the energy i believe is elsewhere. innovation and rebellion like that are elsewhere. there is nothing new under the sun though... but people just think there is. i dont know... i think U2 brought rock back. if you go back and read some of Bonos stuff in early 98 or so defintley when rap rock was getting huge youll find out that that was his goal. to get "real" rock back on the charts.

anyways... its all relative right? someones got to pretend to make absolutes about it.


well... i was at best buy the other day considering buying the new queens of the stone age album and the new dredg album. can anyone tell me if they are worth it?

ill probably get them somehow. but i just want to see if anyone else has them out there and thier opinions on it.

[dswan34]

I meant to put a ? with the subject of this thread. Cause it still is very up in the air as the following states.

Orbit Nine Main >> Articles >> Music Review

Zwan - Mary Star Of The Sea
Reviewed By: Eric

Score: 9.5/10

I really wish I could confidently say that Mary Star Of The Sea is guarenteed to be a big, popular album, because from end to end Zwan's debut is an absolute joy to listen to. Out of fourteen tracks, thirteen are utterly brilliant, and that one slacker, 'Ride A Black Swan', has a quick enough tempo and dynamic enough guitar work to keep me from skipping it most of the time.

It's hard to believe that Billy Corgan is behind the bulk of the songs here because, his distinctive voice aside, there's none of his archetypical angst, misery, or lyrical challenge. The last vestige of angst wafts in through the door of 'And So I Died Of A Broken Heart', and then disappears into a haze of love, God, joie d'vivre, and tongue-in-cheek statements like 'Baby, I'm the greatest thing you've got.' In fact, I think if you were swap him for Matt Sweeney or David Pajo on vocals, you'd never know the Great Pumpkin had any hand in this.

Okay, okay... I take that last line back, there are a few classic Corgan moments here: 'Endless Summer' is the easily counterpart of 'Muzzle' or 'Rocket', and the title track cut from the same epic-length cloth as 'XYU', 'Starla', 'Silver****', or any of the other standard-issue Pumpkins long-players. Those aside though, the remaining songs are clearly influenced by a more democratic songwriting process within Zwan.

For example, David Pajo's guitar noodling with Slint and Tortoise have their payoff here. His experience with texturing brings out the best in the band's three guitar lineup, and only he could have been responsible for the gorgeous interlude in 'Jesus I / Mary Star of the Sea', or the wonderful surprise appearance of the harmonica in 'Come With Me'.

Paz Lechantin, a defector from A Perfect Circle, brings confident bass-work into the mix (hear the intro to 'Settle Down' for an example), and is a lovely vocal counterpoint to Corgan's love-it-or-hate-it singing.

Matt Sweeney's probably more to blame for Zwan than anyone else, a point he'd agree with if his interview on the companion DVD is to be believed. 'It's my band,' he says there, between coughs into the microphone, and who's to argue with him? It was he who tracked Corgan down and got the ball rolling after all, and his slightly off-kilter guitar style influences every track on the album in some way.

And don't even get me started on Jimmy Chamberlin.

The man's possibly the best drummer I've ever heard. Fills, solos, rock-outs, straight-forward stuff... the man is incapable of missing a beat, and that's live. On this album he's in full force, tapping and hammering out some seriously complicated stuff with an effortless grace that's clearly a God-given talent.

All that being said, it breaks my heart to think that nobody will ever buy this album. Oh sure, the fans will pick it up, and maybe a few former Pumpkin fans who weren't able to forgive Billy for betraying them with all the scary 'depth' and 'complexities' that made Adore and Machina such rewarding, if commercially lukewarm, works, but as radio-friendly and warm as Mary Star Of The Sea is, it's probably going to share Machina's exquisite bargain bin. For all the pop trappings of the songs tapped for singles ('Honestly', 'Lyric', and 'Settle Down'), the world just doesn't want Zwan. It's not in the mood for happy music about God, faith, love and warm, buttered toast... it wants bitches that'll back that ass up.

It's strange when I think about it: it's as if we're living in a bizzaro world 1977 where we've got 50 Cent instead of Disco and The White Stripes instead of Punk, and Zwan instead of Glam Rock. The Bald One may have been right all those years ago about rock being dead, because in ten years I think Rock may be to music in general what Metal or Industrial are to Rock currently: obscure subgenres whose time in the spotlight has come and gone a long, long time ago.

It's no matter though: brilliance is still brilliance, irregardless of its potential for commercial success.

'Come with me again,' Billy says, and I galdly fall into step.

9.5/10

[taisoo]

i've been unimpressed with zwan's debut also. pretty boring stuff.

the new queens of the stone ages album's probably one of the best mainstream rock albums of late.

and coldplay's ok, but they still don't hold a candle to radiohead. not even close.

[krossfyter]

ive got the zwan album. i like it. its definitley not like smashing pumpkins... well because its zwan.

i see it for what it is. and it is beautiful.


ive also got the audioslave album. i think its a great album. im just glad cornell is rocking out again. and im glad that some of rage is rocking out again also. if i cant have soundgarden or rage against the machine back.. this will do.

[jefhatfield]

Originally posted by krossfyter
ive got the zwan album. i like it. its definitley not like smashing pumpkins... well because its zwan.

i see it for what it is. and it is beautiful.


ive also got the audioslave album. i think its a great album. im just glad cornell is rocking out again. and im glad that some of rage is rocking out again also. if i cant have soundgarden or rage against the machine back.. this will do.

does zwan have billy corgan in it?

[medea]

Originally posted by jefhatfield


does zwan have billy corgan in it?
yes it does, and for that reason I probably wont listen to it, his creditability is gone as far as I'm concerned....but maybe there is a chance.

"I'm quitting my band because of britanny spears...boo hooo....."

[altair]

Another band you guys should look into. They are a Canadian band and have some really good stuff. 'New Orleans is Sinking' is a really good song. Also the new Pearl jam record is great.

I am pretty sure U2 has sold out, they aren't rock anymore. They pump out the same mindless drivel that Creed does. They climaxed with Joshua Tree and have been trying to get back to that. Thats the problem these days, the record companies want the artists to play what sells, and what sells is what they did last time. So no new music.

Record Companies are going to kill music in general.

~altair

[shadowfax]

have any of you guys heard of Sparklehorse? i was listening to them this weekend, and i thought they hand something rather unique and visionary going.

[job]

Originally posted by krossfyter
ive also got the audioslave album. i think its a great album. im just glad cornell is rocking out again. and im glad that some of rage is rocking out again also. if i cant have soundgarden or rage against the machine back.. this will do.

right on man.

rock on.

oh, im also listening to a lot of oasis for some reason...

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by hitman


right on man.

rock on.

oh, im also listening to a lot of oasis for some reason...

Oasis? they are a curious band. i have heathen chemistry and what's the story morning glory, but most of it strikes me as not too great. some of the songs, though, are really cool. wonderwall is an all-time favorite of mine.

[job]

i'll agree that they are a bit odd.

i lived in england for a while.

every oasis song takes me back. man i miss living there. i guess everyone's got their own personal reasons for listening to different bands.

morning glory is a fantastic album. i haven't listened to heathen chemistry yet.

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by hitman
i'll agree that they are a bit odd.

i lived in england for a while.

every oasis song takes me back. man i miss living there. i guess everyone's got their own personal reasons for listening to different bands.

morning glory is a fantastic album. i haven't listened to heathen chemistry yet.

yeah, i have to say, i like their untitled track thing. heathen chemistry just wasn't nearly as good. i don't think there are even any songs on it i liked in particular. Morning glory had like 3 incredible songs, and everything else was at least good enough.

[krossfyter]

Originally posted by altair
Another band you guys should look into. They are a Canadian band and have some really good stuff. 'New Orleans is Sinking' is a really good song. Also the new Pearl jam record is great.

I am pretty sure U2 has sold out, they aren't rock anymore. They pump out the same mindless drivel that Creed does. They climaxed with Joshua Tree and have been trying to get back to that. Thats the problem these days, the record companies want the artists to play what sells, and what sells is what they did last time. So no new music.

Record Companies are going to kill music in general.

~altair






what you smoking dude!?!!?! lol

U2 hasnt sold out. U2 doesnt pump the same mindless drrival over and over. freakin most of thier albums dont sound the same. "all that you cant leave behind" doesnt sound anything like anything they have done. in my view and or opinion they keep on pumping out new *****... re inventing themselves over and over. they are one of the very small limited few bands that started in the 70s and are still around that has been creating new sounds. thier new album hit it about as high (or close to it) as the Joshua Tree. Name a band thats kicked some serious a*ss twice and has been around that long.... not many. U2 is a great band.... and they are up thier with the beatles, led zepplin, kiss, rush, etc. etc.

[job]

Originally posted by Shadowfax
Morning glory had like 3 incredible songs, and everything else was at least good enough.

wonderwall!

simply amazing.

[krossfyter]

Originally posted by hitman


right on man.

rock on.

oh, im also listening to a lot of oasis for some reason...


cool man. yeah ive got most of oasis's albums... except for thier newest one. and yes "whats the story morning glory" was by far thier best album... in my opinion.

[krossfyter]

Originally posted by Shadowfax
have any of you guys heard of Sparklehorse? i was listening to them this weekend, and i thought they hand something rather unique and visionary going.


got link?




what kind of music is it?

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by hitman


wonderwall!

simply amazing.

Originally posted by Shadowfax

wonderwall is an all-time favorite of mine.

totally!

[krossfyter]

hello got link?


well that band dredg is awsome. they are progressive rock. they have the hardness of TOOL but the thoughtfulness of RADIOHEAD. anybody wants to check out a band that will blow your mind... check out DREDG.

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by krossfyter
hello got link?


well that band dredg is awsome. they are progressive rock. they have the hardness of TOOL but the thoughtfulness of RADIOHEAD. anybody wants to check out a band that will blow your mind... check out DREDG.

link to what?

[krossfyter]

Originally posted by Shadowfax


link to what?


Originally posted by Shadowfax
have any of you guys heard of Sparklehorse? i was listening to them this weekend, and i thought they hand something rather unique and visionary going.


got link?




what kind of music is it?

[howard]

of current bands:

radiohead is amazing
coldplay is amazing
beck is amazing

(if he does something soon PLEASE nine inch nails is amazing)

i'm gonna check out some of the other stuff that you guys have mentioned, and to through another name in there...listen to

Sigur Ros

they are a great band, i heard of them from someone on macrumors back when i created a music thread. anyway i'm soo soo glad that they mentioned it cause i love them. there long songs that build and build are otherworldly. They have some similarities to radiohead there good.

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by krossfyter






got link?




what kind of music is it?

the singer is kind of a mix between coldplay's lead and radiohead's. i have only heard their album "It's a Wonderful Life." the album, as one of my friends said, is like a float down a river. it's got a great deal of continuity, and is generally kind of mellow. about midway through the album, they hit you with a song called "dog door," which is just completely jolting. it's like hitting the rapids on a river, and then you go back to the calm. If you like coldplay and radiohead, it's almost guaranteed you'll like them. you might look that album up on google to get a decent sampling. my favorite song is "more yellow birds," but "apple bed" and "king of nails" are great too.

their address is http://www.sparklehorse.com , but there's not that much to the page--at least, i don't think so; i haven't spent much time there.

[krossfyter]

thanks shadowfax im going to check that out.


to the other poster...

yeah i have the new sigur ros album... the one thats called "()".

cool complex moods.



but all of you all progrock heads or ones who respect the music need to check out DREDG

http://www.dredg.com/



man that music is unbelievable.


review (http://www.rocknworld.com/features/2002/dredg/ )

review 2 (http://www.gigdates.net/wmnews/wmprint.php?ArtID=160)

review 3 (http://www.theprp.com/reviews/dredg1.shtml)

[shadowfax]

krossfyter, check out "The doves" too if you haven't before... the quote in my sig is from "rise" by them. it's my fav of theirs. great stuff there too. "Lost souls" is probably their best album. i would say that their music is much more varied in style from song to song on an album.

i went to the dredg place and downloaded that flash thing... it wouldn't play any music, so i kind of gave up, but the site was way cool.

[krossfyter]

yep i have the lost souls album by the doves.

very good music. i got it in 2001 i believe when it first came out. good stuff. i think the ablum is a masterpiece.


my favorite song is "catch the sun"

[krossfyter]

dredg!

[charboneau]

The rock of today, even most of the good stuff is just a retread of the past. But the thing about rock is - there's always a new generation that doesn't know they're getting something recycled. And after the late 90s pop and rap/metal the current crop must sound awfully fresh.

[krossfyter]

Originally posted by charboneau
The rock of today, even most of the good stuff is just a retread of the past. But the thing about rock is - there's always a new generation that doesn't know they're getting something recycled. And after the late 90s pop and rap/metal the current crop must sound awfully fresh.


very true. im like freaking out when some kids of today who listen to those new punk bands and such dont know or have never heard of the clash or simply rancid. i dont care for punk but im just making a point and helping out your response.

so what band/s of today would you consider closer to not being recycled from the past? Everything today in rock pretty much sounds like something in the past right?! So who out there doesnt or is close to that in your opinion?
Im curious as to who you choose or what you might say.

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by krossfyter
very true. im like freaking out when some kids of today who listen to those new punk bands and such dont know or have never heard of the clash or simply rancid. i dont care for punk but im just making a point and helping out your response.

so what band/s of today would you consider closer to not being recycled from the past? Everything today in rock pretty much sounds like something in the past right?! So who out there doesnt or is close to that in your opinion?
Im curious as to who you choose or what you might say.

there's a little pink floyd in everything ;)

[shadowfax]

Krossfyter, have you heard of the dismemberment plan? that has to be one of the most "terrifyingly" unique bands i have heard, possibly ever, though they are much more "underground" if you will than coldplay, radiohead, and so on.

[King Cobra]

>(KF) dredg!

I saw the ending of the music video "Same 'Ol Road" Dec. 24 just before the 22:00 hour. Those guys make computer animation seem effortless.

I'll check out the lyrics for the band and if I like them, I'll probably support those guys.

As for Coldplay, underrated. Why only top out at #5?

http://www.billboard.com/billboard/charts/bb200.jsp

[krossfyter]

Originally posted by Shadowfax
Krossfyter, have you heard of the dismemberment plan? that has to be one of the most "terrifyingly" unique bands i have heard, possibly ever, though they are much more "underground" if you will than coldplay, radiohead, and so on.



hmmm... are those the ones that are breaking up?

[krossfyter]

Originally posted by King Cobra
>(KF) dredg!

I saw the ending of the music video "Same 'Ol Road" Dec. 24 just before the 22:00 hour. Those guys make computer animation seem effortless.

I'll check out the lyrics for the band and if I like them, I'll probably support those guys.



cool man. i dont know who did thier animation but im sure it wasnt the band... or was it?
yeah the vid is a trip... much like thier music.

lol

[King Cobra]

No idea. Again, I just saw the ending. I had to try and get some sleep for Dec. 25. :)

I'm liking the honest lyrics (http://www.e-lyrix.net/main/bands_d/dredg/el_cielo/#16), not exactly fancy about the art cover...

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00006IU65.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

...but I think these guys match Coldplay.

[krossfyter]

Originally posted by King Cobra
No idea. Again, I just saw the ending. I had to try and get some sleep for Dec. 25. :)

I'm liking the honest lyrics (http://www.e-lyrix.net/main/bands_d/dredg/el_cielo/#16), not exactly fancy about the art cover...

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00006IU65.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

...but I think these guys match Coldplay.


match coldplay!!??? what are you smoking homes? lol

they far exceed coldplay on every level. im as serious as cancer.
coldplay is great... but they are like a balanced meal... dredg is like the restaraunt where that meal is made.


okay band analogy... but you get the point.


;)

[ExoticFish]

The best rockers in my opinion has to be Local H. I always switch between albums and listen to it for months. I'm currently re-hooked on their second album As Good As Dead. They kick some serious butt live.

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by krossfyter
hmmm... are those the ones that are breaking up?

yeah, they broke up, but apparently not for petty reasons like some crappy pop band. they started their band with a mission, and they believe they've fulfilled it. i have 3 albums by them, i dunno how many they have done. definitely worth a look if you like the doves, or radiohead.

[barkmonster]

I think just as a social and musical experiment, they should have a global ban on the blues scale for 1 year. NO performances from bands using it and no new music created using it. Just to see how many new and original directions music could move in.

I hear all the jangly gibberish from 'The White Stripes' for instance and I wonder what decade you'd have to move them back to (if a time machine existed) before they didn't sound dated and cliqued.

It's interesting that Coldplay and Audioslave are mentioned, they're almost the only 2 recent bands (relatively speaking, I was well into RATM for a long time) that sound like they've got a future or something in their sound that would influence other bands.

Coldplay came along just at the right time, Radiohead have been really going down the pan for a long time and I always prefered massive attack and portishead to them anyway.

Audioslave are pretty damn good, they should prove what trent reznor said in an interview a year or so ago when he said 'all those bands with turntables are the spandex pants bands of the generation' and the obvious 'don't get me started on creed' :D

Also has anyone noticed the sudden increase in bands singing with a pirate accent over recent years (audioslave, puddle of mud) ?

Not that the music isn't damn good, it's just the accent that I find funny. like they're trying to sound like Kirt Cobain but end up sounding more like captain hook or something.

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by barkmonster

Coldplay came along just at the right time, Radiohead have been really going down the pan for a long time and I always prefered massive attack and portishead to them anyway.

| strongly agree | agree | disagree | strongly disagree |

dude, i wouldn't like radiohead if they hadn't changed since their first album. they'd be just another faky pop look-alike band. the album had a few goodies, like lurgee and blowout, but creep? :rolleyes: please.

The Bends was much better, as was Kid A. but Amnesiac managed to best all of those. OK computer is, of course, the unbeatable album. one of the greatest albums i have ever heard, end of story. they aren't going to the loo, or kicking the can, or... going to the pan.

[barkmonster]

The Bends was much better, as was Kid A. but Amnesiac managed to best all of those. OK computer is, of course, the unbeatable album. one of the greatest albums i have ever heard, end of story. they aren't going to the loo, or kicking the can, or... going to the pan.

I meant going down the pan in the sense that they're not progressing in any way, they're just another lame winey guitar band that had a few good tunes over the years but they're best stuff is all in the past.

disagree | strongly disagree

okay, not trying to antagonise here, just an opinion but...

Massive Attack have done more to push music in new directions than any glorified pub rock band that learned a few chords on a guitar and wrote a few tunes for teenagers to get all depressed to have ever done.

Unfinished Sympathy alone is enough to put Massive Attack above Radiohead forever. Creep was pretty good though, shame everything else sounded so similar to it.

Portishead were one seriously emotional band, the guitar solo on glory box sounds pretty damn cool to my ears for a band that were classed as dance music half the time because they're sound made them hard to pigeon hole. Of course the shear amount of samples in their music made them less credible than other artists to a few narrow minded people.

[scem0]

another band I would like to mention is a band
called "unloco". They are from Austin, Texas and
are gaining popularity elsewhere. They are a
great band. d/l a song or 2, and then head
over to amazon and get 'healing' - their best album.

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by barkmonster
I meant going down the pan in the sense that they're not progressing in any way, they're just another lame winey guitar band that had a few good tunes over the years but they're best stuff is all in the past.

disagree | strongly disagree

okay, not trying to antagonise here, just an opinion but...

Massive Attack have done more to push music in new directions than any glorified pub rock band that learned a few chords on a guitar and wrote a few tunes for teenagers to get all depressed to have ever done.

Unfinished Sympathy alone is enough to put Massive Attack above Radiohead forever. Creep was pretty good though, shame everything else sounded so similar to it.

Portishead were one seriously emotional band, the guitar solo on glory box sounds pretty damn cool to my ears for a band that were classed as dance music half the time because they're sound made them hard to pigeon hole. Of course the shear amount of samples in their music made them less credible than other artists to a few narrow minded people.

I guess i would say they have stagnated--although, that's just because they haven't released anything new in forever. Amnesiac and Kid A were recorded in the same session, so they are unnderstandably very similar, but i think they are both a move in a fairly new direction, at least for when Kid A is released. whether or not you agree with that, you do think that OK, Computer was a pretty innovative album, don't you? i am still holding out that their new album this summer will bring something new and cool.

I've always felt that Radiohead, at least since the Bends, has been an "album" band. i think their music is best listening to a whole album in a sitting. the flow is great; it's not like some pop album where they have a bunch of songs that are just there so they can charge you the price of an album for that one song that's even remotely good on it. but maybe that's just me.

On the other hand, this is all coming from a guy whose favorite song is probably "Mrs. Potter," by the Counting Crows. i can imagine we are apt to a difference of opinions :)

i wanted to mention, love the avatar. great for posting on that connectix thread in the news section;)

[King Cobra]

>(KF) match coldplay!!??? what are you smoking homes? lol

Dude, I don't smoke lol

I mean both have heart and honesty, no bullcrap lyrics, and do not need to put out some fancy, heavy tune to make it look like they are "trying" to attract the audiance.

But, yeah, I got your number as well...lol :p

[beatle888]

Originally posted by krossfyter
hello got link?


well that band dredg is awsome. they are progressive rock. they have the hardness of TOOL but the thoughtfulness of RADIOHEAD. anybody wants to check out a band that will blow your mind... check out DREDG.

nice recommendation. i hope it gets a little
harder than the song im streaming now, but
i like them :D thanks very much. i dont usually
go for new bands. i think the last rock band that
i just had to hear was janes addiction.

bands like radio head and smashing pumpkins
seem like just that.....bands. i like my rock to
spring from individuals that live it. that see the
underpinnings of our social environment for
example, and call foul. or by lyric and expression
that lets me see something in a new perspective.
janes addiction was primitive insightful and
and angry at anyone who attempted to walk
on their garden. i love those guys. :D

[Rower_CPU]

They're here to rock your ****ing socks off!

Tenacious D (http://tenaciousd.com/)

10 Commandments of the D

1. Never stop Rocking.
2. Legalize all drugs.
3. Quit your day job.
4. All Religion should be taxed.
5. Cut down on carbohydrates.
6. **** her gently.
7. Never believe what people tell you after a show.
8. Always take a spoon full of Metamucil after a heavy day of eating.
9. Get at least 9 hours of sleep a day.
10. Eatin' ain't cheatin'.

[vniow]

LONG LIVE THE D!!

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by beatle888

bands like radio head and smashing pumpkins
seem like just that.....bands. i like my rock to
spring from individuals that live it.

personally, i have always thought radiohead to be honest music from people who have lived it. the language of their songs isn't stilted or fake. they write them themselves.

from "Spinning Plates" by Radiohead
While you make pretty speeches,
I'm being cut to shreds.
You feed me to the lions,
a delicate balance

When this just feels like spinning plates.
I'm living in cloud cuckoo land.
And this just feels like spinning plates
Our bodies floating down the muddy river.

i find that to be pretty honest, and often, i feel the meaning of that song.

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU

4. All Religion should be taxed.

not to change the subject, but what's the point? a religion as a socio-economic entity is comprised of the people who are members of it, who are already taxed. taxing religion would simply be taxing the tax-deducted contributions people make to religion. it's really like saying "let's tax donation based charities like red cross and such!"

anyways, sorry for being off topic, fireman helmet on and snapped in place :)

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by vniow
LONG LIVE THE D!!

LONG LIVE ME!!

Oh, wait, I mean, yeah...THE D!!

:D

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by Shadowfax
not to change the subject, but what's the point? a religion as a socio-economic entity is comprised of the people who are members of it, who are already taxed. taxing religion would simply be taxing the tax-deducted contributions people make to religion. it's really like saying "let's tax donation based charities like red cross and such!"

anyways, sorry for being off topic, fireman helmet on and snapped in place :)

Dude, it's a joke.

Moving on...

[vniow]

Originally posted by Shadowfax
not to change the subject, but what's the point? a religion as a socio-economic entity is comprised of the people who are members of it, who are already taxed. taxing religion would simply be taxing the tax-deducted contributions people make to religion. it's really like saying "let's tax donation based charities like red cross and such!"

anyways, sorry for being off topic, fireman helmet on and snapped in place :)


d00d, that was.....like.....waaaaay too intellectual for us Macrunorsians folk.

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
Dude, it's a joke.

Moving on...

sorry. i kinda figured, considering some of the other things on the list, and it is funny, i guess i just felt like pointing it out, i guess. sorry, again.

Originally posted by vniow
d00d, that was.....like.....waaaaay too intellectual for us Macrumorsians folk.

well, at least belongs in the political discussion section :). this is what i get for being serious. sorry, officer, i'll never do it again!

by the way vniow, what do you listen to (other than the Tenacious D)?

[kettle]

Strapping Young Lad
Where Metallica should have gone after ...and justice for all.
Devin Townsend and all his incarnations.

also rock 'n' roll didn't die, it is still exploding outwards in the same direction, it will hopefully never reach a conclusion, it will NEVER get involved in tacky reinventions of the 60's, 70's etc. It just keeps going and will never stop. If you failed to hold on, tuff ****.:)

[vniow]

Originally posted by Shadowfax
by the way vniow, what do you listen to (other than the Tenacious D)?


Not a whole lot of rock stuffs, I'm really getting in to acid jazz and drum&bass for the most part, although I haven't discovered a genre of music that I hate totally yet (yes, even metal), there's not much that I don't listen too actually.

I have a two page list of artists I've written down, but I only have a fraction of them since I'm broke.http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=252654

Some I can think of off the top of my head are:
The Cimenatic Orchestra
The Gotan Project
Ashley Macissac
Mogwai
Vickter Duplaix
And a bunch of others I can't think of at the moment, maybe I'll scan in the list later, heh.

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by vniow

And a bunch of others I can't think of at the moment, maybe I'll scan in the list later, heh.

sounds dangerous lol. good to enjoy variety, i say. i'm not really up to date on contemporary jazz, myself, although i like the classic stuff--goodman, ellington, blakey, brubeck...
i went to a wynton marsalis concert celebrating ellington's centennial, it was about the coolest concert i've ever been to.

[krossfyter]

Originally posted by beatle888
nice recommendation. i hope it gets a little
harder than the song im streaming now, but
i like them :D thanks very much. i dont usually
go for new bands. i think the last rock band that
i just had to hear was janes addiction.

bands like radio head and smashing pumpkins
seem like just that.....bands. i like my rock to
spring from individuals that live it. that see the
underpinnings of our social environment for
example, and call foul. or by lyric and expression
that lets me see something in a new perspective.
janes addiction was primitive insightful and
and angry at anyone who attempted to walk
on their garden. i love those guys. :D







well cool glad to have helped in a recommendation. warning thought as you might have noticed... dredg isnt in any way head banging music. once again... its a journey... art show... its very existential. these guys in my opinion are brilliant... and defy classification.

[3rdpath]

audioslave is great...riff rock like the good ol' days. chris cornell can do no wrong. his solo record was also amazing...that guy has got some pipes. btw, if you like tom morello, his work on the crystal method record is sweet.

got a sampler today from rca that had a band called " from zero" on it...very cool stuff...hard rock with beautiful guitar chords and nice vocals. gonna look for the cd tomorrow.

foo fighters would be good if their records didn't sound so lame...bad engineering, mixing and mastering. eeegads!


and the D rocks

[ExoticFish]

Originally posted by 3rdpath
foo fighters would be good if their records didn't sound so lame...bad engineering, mixing and mastering. eeegads!

ok... now the Foo Fighters just plain old rock. Dave Grohl is musically with it and puts out just good solid material that just keeps getting better. plus Dave on drums (from the first Foo album) is what made me want to get my first drum set.

[krossfyter]

yeah audioslave is a breath of fresh rock air for me. and for damn sure chris cornell has some mad pipes!

also... i do know about from zero... i have had thier demo cd for 2 years now and thier new cd for about a year. i dont know how i first heard about them. i think they were passing around thier sample cd at a pod concert i went too in dallas.

[ExoticFish]

i saw from zero as an opening act for someone... i can't remember right now, but they seemed alright. i recently got a demo cd of new stuff but i haven't listened to it yet.

[3rdpath]

Originally posted by ExoticFish
ok... now the Foo Fighters just plain old rock. Dave Grohl is musically with it and puts out just good solid material that just keeps getting better. plus Dave on drums (from the first Foo album) is what made me want to get my first drum set.

i agree, they rock.

but their records' lack of fidelity make them unlistenable to me.