Safari getting TABS and AutoFill!!

[DaveGee]

Seems to be 'a done deal'...

Safari internal builds have Tabs and AutoFill and ThinkSecret has the screen shots!

http://www.thinksecret.com/

Now the question is when to WE get it?!?!

Dave

[sparkleytone]

hehe i knew it. i didnt want to post anything cuz it was all speculation. this info first appeared in the comments of dave hyatts blog. no one knew whether or not to take it as truth and of course dave neither confirmed nor denied. looks like thinksecret has gotten a real scoop.

[Kwyjibo]

great find; tabs are especially usefull to users with ibooks and the small powerbook because it really helps you browse alot of content on a small screen. I hope they develop a good keystroke to move between the tabs. I feel that Chimera still lacks this.

[howard]

yay! this will probably let me be able to use safari all the time instead of chimera

[thecure]

Finally, I can now switch to Safari from Chimera. So long. You were a great browser..... tear...

[Goblin2099]

The only way I can think of describing my emotional state involves two letters, a pair of digits, and a punctuation mark.




w00t!

[ibjoshua]

Originally posted by thecure
Finally, I can now switch to Safari from Chimera. So long. You were a great browser..... tear...

ditto!

i_b_joshua

[howard]

what does w00t mean anyway?

[bigjohn]

Yeah, once we download the version Apple wants the masses to have, apply all the hacks and open all the hidden/debug features - it'll be the way it should've been on Day 1.

[Freakk123]

1 Word to describe what I think about this: AWESOME!

[rainman::|:|]

Originally posted by howard
what does w00t mean anyway?

it's the sound the purple boss makes in Super Mario Bros 2...

hehehe

pnw

[Goblin2099]

From ThinkGeek.com:

Use it as an interjection or a celebratory statement! As in...'Hey! I just upgraded my 56k modem to 1.1 SDSL. w00t! w00t!'. Works every time. True it's an independent clause, but really the best clauses are always independent. w00t.

w00t belongs to gamers the world over. It seems to have been derived from the obselete 'whoot' which essentially is another way to say 'hoot' which itself is a shout or derisive laugh. But others maintain that w00t is the sound several players make while jumping like bunnies in Quake III. Still others want you to believe that it comes from the phrase 'wow loot' used in multiplayer RPGs many moons ago. Fiction or fact? I suppose you'll just have to decide what 'w00t!' means to you...

[idkew]

yeah- as everyone else has said, now i can switch from chimera to safari!

[mac15]

I assumed it was only speculation, good stuff . I think we'll see 1.0 sooner than later

[RandomMacGuy]

I have been developing CSS right sites recently to test Safari's rendering engine and at the moment, while it is very good, it isn't quite as good as Gecko with CSS. All the normal stuff works fine, but when you throw in tons of <div>s and <span>s with margins/borders/padding/background/position/float/etc. it sometimes doesn't come out right.

Of course, nothing is perfect and I appreciate the challenge of getting all this CSS to render correctly.

I remember David Hyatt posting that he zapped a lot of CSS bugs. I'm anxious to see them.

[edit: the point doesn't really shine through here... basically I'm saying that it isn't interface alone that warrents a total switch. BTW, Safari is my primary browser anyway]

- RMG

Note: The CSS in question is valid and the HTML in which it is embedded is XHTML 1.1 valid...

[Hemingray]

While this is a welcome feature, it probably won't make me switch just yet. I'm waiting for keychain storage of logins in Safari... I sure hope they implement it someday!

[neonart]

Alright!
Safari is my default browser anyhow and this should make it even better!
Safari is my default browser for this reason: You can always expect Apple to improve things. One step at a time and easily through Software Update things become better on this side of the fence!

[Catfish_Man]

Originally posted by bigjohn
Yeah, once we download the version Apple wants the masses to have, apply all the hacks and open all the hidden/debug features - it'll be the way it should've been on Day 1.

Assuming that day 1 was sometime in April (or later, since they wouldn't have been getting bug reports) in your alternate reality. It's a BETA. Sheesh...

[scmacdaddy]

as an ibook user, only one word can describe my feelings on this subject. SUPER THE AWESOME!

[Kid Red]

I posted about this earlier with a screen shot in anoterh Safari thread, oh well.

[Catfish_Man]

w00t! The tabs work really well...

The only flaw noted in my minute or so of testing is that after 10 tabs, they go off the edge of the browser. Luckily, this is irrelevant for me.

It's also really fast.

[Kid Red]

Originally posted by Kwyjibo
great find; tabs are especially usefull to users with ibooks and the small powerbook because it really helps you browse alot of content on a small screen. I hope they develop a good keystroke to move between the tabs. I feel that Chimera still lacks this.

shift-apple-arrow (from what i hear;)

As to the poster, Safari doesn't *have* autofill, meerly a menu option for forms and ThinkSecret doesn't mention autofill being a feature yet either. But I guess it's a done deal regardless.

[vniow]

I can get this hosted if I just had the file....

[davem2020]

i haven't spent much time using tabs, but it seems a lot like how windows allows you to minimize multiple windows within a single frame. is it the same idea?

[teabgs]

Where is this 'debug' menu?? :confused:

I know its not out yet...but is that menu new in the next version? Or am I just a little slow?

[Catfish_Man]

Originally posted by teabgs
Where is this 'debug' menu?? :confused:

I know its not out yet...but is that menu new in the next version? Or am I just a little slow?

type this into terminal (with Safari not running):
defaults write com.apple.Safari IncludeDebugMenu 1

[timbloom]

Originally posted by bigjohn
Yeah, once we download the version Apple wants the masses to have, apply all the hacks and open all the hidden/debug features - it'll be the way it should've been on Day 1.

It is still pre-day 1. It is a beta still and gaining functionality faster than I expected.

By the way, I have this, and it works!
Sadly, some links won't copy to the clipboard in this build, and some pages render a little off, so give it a little while before it is public.

[teabgs]

Originally posted by Catfish_Man
type this into terminal (with Safari not running):
defaults write com.apple.Safari IncludeDebugMenu 1

Thank you!!

[timbloom]

Originally posted by Hemingray
While this is a welcome feature, it probably won't make me switch just yet. I'm waiting for keychain storage of logins in Safari... I sure hope they implement it someday!
um... automatic logins, or fill-ins? cause mine allready will fill it in, just not auto-login for me, I still have to hit enter.

[BillyShears]

Safari is my default browser for this reason: You can always expect Apple to improve things. One step at a time and easily through Software Update things become better on this side of the fence!

So... you're using something that is worse now (I mean, you never mentioned it being good) because you think it will get better? You know you can always SWITCH browsers at any time, right?

[voicegy]

I successfully added the DEBUG menu to Safari. However, the only reason I bothered to do so was to have access to the tabbing. In my DEBUG menu, it lists everything right down to SECURITY, but then nothing after that. (the screen shot at the other site shows that Tabbing shows up at the bottom of the menu)

In other words, the option to have tabs is absent from my Debug menu. Comment, anyone?:(

[FredAkbar]

Originally posted by davem2020
i haven't spent much time using tabs, but it seems a lot like how windows allows you to minimize multiple windows within a single frame. is it the same idea?

Kinda...but you don't "minimize" anything when you're using browser tabs. Basically you have one window on the screen at all times, and each page that is open can be accessed by clicking its tab in the tabs bar, which will be near the top of the window.

--Fred

[jelloshotsrule]

Originally posted by voicegy
I successfully added the DEBUG menu to Safari. However, the only reason I bothered to do so was to have access to the tabbing. In my DEBUG menu, it lists everything right down to SECURITY, but then nothing after that. (the screen shot at the other site shows that Tabbing shows up at the bottom of the menu)

In other words, the option to have tabs is absent from my Debug menu. Comment, anyone?:(

do you have beta version 62? cause the actual release still doesn't have it...... the latest release made public is version 60

[mac15]

you can enable the debug menu in any version. Just download safari enhancer and enable it on any version.

Safari v62 kicks as though guys

[teabgs]

Originally posted by voicegy
I successfully added the DEBUG menu to Safari. However, the only reason I bothered to do so was to have access to the tabbing. In my DEBUG menu, it lists everything right down to SECURITY, but then nothing after that. (the screen shot at the other site shows that Tabbing shows up at the bottom of the menu)

In other words, the option to have tabs is absent from my Debug menu. Comment, anyone?:(

yeah, this is cause that version of safari isnt released yet.....prolly tomorrow IMO

[deejemon]

*

[voicegy]

Even after reading the article carefully, I was still overly excited to get this feature even though I wasn't running the version it is supposed to work in! I completely understand now. Am waiting patiently for next version.
DUH!:rolleyes:

[Catfish_Man]

Originally posted by deejemon
As the original article (and you might like to go visit thinksecret.com) said, this is an upcoming version, in build 62. It's not in the current released version, which is build 60 I believe.

Click Safari > About Safari. Unless it says 62 in the (), forget it, you don't have the right version.

Just be patient. It'll be released eventually.

Probably not, actually. I would imagine they'll add a few more things/fix a few more bugs before doing another public release (slashdot has a line through it in v62, for example, and it crashes on devedge.netscape.com instead of hanging).

[MarkMc]

Can't wait to get the tabs in Safrai, one of the biggest things I have missed there. Now if only Apple can include bookmark syncing via iSync, I would very VERY happy. I like the organization Safari brings to the bookmarks, but it is still a pain to keep my iBook and G4 bookmarks in sync. Maybe include this with .Mac...

[sparkleytone]

because i am quite sure its not against apple's rules....

. (http://homepage.mac.com/alanbrent/.Pictures/foo.dmg)

[SBG88]

V62 definitely does not render the same pages as V60 does for me. Certain java applets render adequately in 60 but do not show up at all in 62. Still, extremely happy Apple listened as fast as they did.

um... automatic logins, or fill-ins? cause mine allready will fill it in, just not auto-login for me, I still have to hit enter
How does this work?

[FredAkbar]

Thanks sparkleytone...but I don't see anything about auto-fill...I thought that was gonna be in v62. Am I missing something?

--Fred

[rainman::|:|]

thanks sparkley, works quite well.

i never used tabbed browsing before, but i'm giving it a go now. it'll take some time to get used to :)

pnw

[mac15]

Originally posted by sparkleytone
because i am quite sure its not against apple's rules....

link (http://homepage.mac.com/alanbrent/.Pictures/foo.dmg)

if the SW was released on the ADC website then its against the rules, so watch yourself

[jaykk]

Why can't apple have an option to download pages in the background? The main reason for having tabs is that you can cmd+click on many links, and it will load in a seperate tab and u can visit them later after all pages are loaded. But this build shows the new tab opened as the active one. Come on apple, we have the best tabbing experience in Chimera, apple should have done a better job than this, First of all they didnt include tabbing in the beginning, then even after including tabs, it can't match the usefulness of a tabbed browsing in Chimera.

[aaron128]

Originally posted by jaykk
Why can't apple have an option to download pages in the background? The main reason for having tabs is that you can cmd+click on many links, and it will load in a seperate tab and u can visit them later after all pages are loaded. But this build shows the new tab opened as the active one. Come on apple, we have the best tabbing experience in Chimera, apple should have done a better job than this, First of all they didnt include tabbing in the beginning, then even after including tabs, it can't match the usefulness of a tabbed browsing in Chimera.

Try CMD-Shift-Click...loads in the background. Doesn't work if the link is already set to open in a new window (target="x" in the a tag)...must be a bug, but works on normal links.

[cb911]

sweet. tabs and auto fill are what i've been waiting for. now i might finally move over from Chimera to Safari!! :D

w00t! :D:D:D

[vniow]

Dammit, the Safari Aquifier disables tabs. http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=259055

[jaykk]

thanks aaron, yes. I already switched to Safari long back, but since this guy - the main developer of Safari - worked on Chimera before, i thought we will have all this figure it out before hand.

anyways, its a sweet update. thank you for constantly satisfying the macheads.

[FredAkbar]

Originally posted by cb911
sweet. tabs and auto fill are what i've been waiting for. now i might finally move over from Chimera to Safari!! :D

w00t! :D:D:D

What auto fill? Like I said, I can't see any sign of auto-fill capabilities of any kind in v62. If someone is seeing something that I'm not, then please let me know.

--Fred

[dethl]

Anyone else notice the "Import IE Favorites" in the v62 safari debug menu? Or has it been here since v60?

[yzedf]

nice, to start with.

hopefully the "real" release will have be configurable. i prefer to always load new tabs in the background, as a previous poster mentioned. cmd-shift-click is too much work. ctrl-click - new tab is fine... for now.

of course if this ibook had a right and left mouse button the finger gymnastics would not be necessary! :rolleyes:

[tmornini]

Originally posted by BillyShears
So... you're using something that is worse now (I mean, you never mentioned it being good) because you think it will get better? You know you can always SWITCH browsers at any time, right?

Well, yeah, I guess I do realize that.

Do *you* realize that if you used Safari now, your valuable input (via the bug button) would help steer the product?

Not to mention help give it critical mass to be respected in the website development community?

[Finiksa]

Originally posted by jaykk
Why can't apple have an option to download pages in the background? The main reason for having tabs is that you can cmd+click on many links, and it will load in a seperate tab and u can visit them later after all pages are loaded.

You can open pages in the background, you have to cmd-shift-click. Personally I pefer Chimera's way of doing it but atleast there is the option.

[shadowfax]

wow. this will be my switch feature, methinks. i hope they aren't talking out their arses again :rolleyes:

[timbloom]

This is definately not more than the second build of safari since the tabs have been added. So it is only expected to be there, not to really work correctly all the time. Personally I am suprised that it works as well as it does right now. Don't expect this to get released any time soon though, there are annoying bugs in this one, probably due to the new CSS fixes that have been applied to it. Expect to not see this public till at least a v64 or higher.

Mainly I use tabs in chimera for ShareReactor. I tried it with this version of Safari with these results:
Safari now hates copying ed2k:// links to the clipboard
It still does not block ShareReactor's popups.. (although no other popups ever show up, They should check this out, cause obviously they have a tricky way of doing it, but chimera blocks them just fine)

[sparkleytone]

they have fixed the mouse hiding issue in this build as well. now if i scroll up and down a page using the keyboard, the mouse hides itself. a small yet annoying bug before.

i am noticing some placement issues on the forums and some other sites. oh well...we have tabs ;D

[mnkeybsness]

it bothers me when you close a tab, the main window will automatically slim down from closing the tab bar

[sergeantmudd]

There is no need for the debug unless you want to turn it on and off on the fly. In the terminal type:

"defaults write com.apple.safari TabbedBrowsing 1"

[sparkleytone]

cmd-shift-arrows

tab navigation.

[superfula]

Originally posted by timbloom
Mainly I use tabs in chimera for ShareReactor. I tried it with this version of Safari with these results:
Safari now hates copying ed2k:// links to the clipboard
It still does not block ShareReactor's popups.. (although no other popups ever show up, They should check this out, cause obviously they have a tricky way of doing it, but chimera blocks them just fine)

The previous released version of Safari couldn't handle copying ed2k links either.

I don't know what you guys do, but cmd-click in Chimera opens a whole new window.

cmd-click for opening a link in a new tab is the way it's supposed to work. cmd-shift-click is just fine to open the link in a background tab

[richie]

Originally posted by sparkleytone
they have fixed the mouse hiding issue in this build as well. now if i scroll up and down a page using the keyboard, the mouse hides itself. a small yet annoying bug before.


You just made my day :) Huzzah!

[Snowy_River]

Originally posted by cb911
sweet. tabs and auto fill are what i've been waiting for. now i might finally move over from Chimera to Safari!! :D

w00t! :D:D:D

Is there some reason that people seem so eager to get away from Chimera? It is my main browser, and, while I like the direction Safari is going in, I fully expect to stay with Chimera/Camino for the forseeable future. I have yet to see any real motivating factor to move over to Safari...

[FredAkbar]

I guess it's mainly just the fact that Safari is made by Apple, so people are happy to switch over to an Apple product. We know and love Apple, and you never know what great thing they're going to introduce next, so I'm guessing that's why people are so excited about switching to Safari.

--Fred

[beatle888]

Originally posted by Snowy_River
Is there some reason that people seem so eager to get away from Chimera? It is my main browser, and, while I like the direction Safari is going in, I fully expect to stay with Chimera/Camino for the forseeable future. I have yet to see any real motivating factor to move over to Safari...


well, its sort of a big deal, apple has never had a browser. plus we know how incredible apple software is so its nice to know that we mac users will finally have someone interested enough to give us a wonderful internet experience. watch how fast they get mac flash support up to speed with the windows flash support. the mac plugins have always been slower than the pc's.

[engpjp]

An important feature of Safari - though rarely mentioned - is that it displays the text BEFORE the graphics, enabling you to begin reading earlier than you are able to in, say, Chimera or IE. iCab did the same thing, and it DOES make them faster to use. When chasing ideas or just minor details this is a VERY valuable and time-saving thing.

engpjp

[MacsRgr8]

yep... gr8 isn't it?

[Hemingray]

Originally posted by timbloom
um... automatic logins, or fill-ins? cause mine allready will fill it in, just not auto-login for me, I still have to hit enter.

Your Safari will auto-fill? :confused: I'm talking about Chimera here, where it will save your login info in the keychain and will auto-fill in the fields once permission has been given to the keychain.

...I'm hoping they'll implement that in Safari eventually. That's what I was referring to.

[scottlee]

I'd sure like to see a right click navigation, BACK and FORWARD

[Seamaster]

Originally posted by beatle888
well, its sort of a big deal, apple has never had a browser.

Um, CyberDog?

(Which was kinda cool actually, back in the days before the Internet became fatter than an American with McDonalds vouchers.)

[chmorley]

I might have just switched from Chimera.

This is very nice...

Two small issues:
1) I'd like favicons to display in tabs
2) I'd prefer Cmd-Click to be able to open new tabs in back. It's a fair bit simpler than Shift-Cmd-Click. I am sure this will be an option by day 1 (1.0).

Regardless, this is great. I use setiathome (cl version) running in the background at all times. Whenver I checked the CPU load with Chimera running, it would take 30+% of CPU cycles when in the foreground with many tabs open. Safari doesn't go over 15% or so unless I am resizing a window. It usually stays around 1-5% (with 6 tabs open).

This is a much better browser now.

Chris

[mnkeybsness]

i've also noticed that v62 is now working with my online banking service...now i am almost completely away from using any other browser

[BigJayhawk]

Banking online sites working is a big benefit too!

[backdraft]

Great! :D Now only if OS X would get a TAB VIEW:

http://geocities.com/juan_m007/tab.html

[sparkleytone]

Originally posted by chmorley
I might have just switched from Chimera.

This is very nice...

Two small issues:
1) I'd like favicons to display in tabs
Chris

nononononono

there is a reason they look like they do. they are as inobtrusive as possible. apple is not trying to call attention to tabs. tabs call attention to themselves enough already. they are meant to blend in with the interface.

[sparkleytone]

disk image removed at the request of you know who...


lol, im sure it got to enough people by now anyways.

[Kid Red]

Originally posted by RandomMacGuy
I have been developing CSS right sites recently to test Safari's rendering engine and at the moment, while it is very good, it isn't quite as good as Gecko with CSS. All the normal stuff works fine, but when you throw in tons of <div>s and <span>s with margins/borders/padding/background/position/float/etc. it sometimes doesn't come out right.

Of course, nothing is perfect and I appreciate the challenge of getting all this CSS to render correctly.

I remember David Hyatt posting that he zapped a lot of CSS bugs. I'm anxious to see them.

[edit: the point doesn't really shine through here... basically I'm saying that it isn't interface alone that warrents a total switch. BTW, Safari is my primary browser anyway]

- RMG

Note: The CSS in question is valid and the HTML in which it is embedded is XHTML 1.1 valid...

I hate <div> tags and wish coders would stop using them the <center> tag is better IMO

[Kid Red]

Originally posted by mnkeybsness
it bothers me when you close a tab, the main window will automatically slim down from closing the tab bar

Only affects you.

[GBRocksFan]

Originally posted by Kid Red
I hate <div> tags and wish coders would stop using them the <center> tag is better IMO

:confused: How could <center> possibly be used in place of <div>? I thought <center> was deprecated in HTML 4.01?

[GetSome681]

What I want more than anything else is to be able to right click the safari icon in the dock, and in that pop-up menu have the ability to open a new browser window. If you have other windows open, but minimized, clicking on the safari icon just brings up one of the minimized windows. I hate this b/c I have those pages still open for a reason, and want to just have a new window. Having to do this and then minimize the window and then file>new window takes just too long.

Please people submit that you want this b/c I want it bad, and it only makes safari all that much better (especially for windows users switching over) (by the way I'm not one of those)

[greenstork]

The most useful option for tabs and the most revolutionary thing to hit web browsers in the past year or two is the ability to load multiple tabs on a bookmark bar. I think they're called folder groups or something, a clickable folder. I use it in Chimera for everything. I have one category for news, one for Mac news, etc. So with 7 or 8 bookmarks, I can open 35-40 web pages and keep them organized.

I would like to see this option for Safari tabs. It is fairly new to Chimera but I just can't live without it now. It basically elminiates the need for a bookmark sidebar.

[Kid Red]

Originally posted by GBRocksFan
:confused: How could <center> possibly be used in place of <div>? I thought <center> was deprecated in HTML 4.01?

Not sure but I use and prefer <center> tags instead of <div align="center"> it's just <center>. the <div align="right"> is the same. I guess it's not that big of a deal since DW MX does eitehr div or center tags, but before it was only center tags. So if you used div tags you had to do it by hand, very annoying for a graphic artist to code :)

[davoodoofunk]

Posted another mirror because the other seem bogged down. Get it at http://www.soopah256.com/~jonathan

[Hemingray]

Originally posted by Kid Red
Not sure but I use and prefer <center> tags instead of <div align="center"> it's just <center>. the <div align="right"> is the same. I guess it's not that big of a deal since DW MX does eitehr div or center tags, but before it was only center tags. So if you used div tags you had to do it by hand, very annoying for a graphic artist to code :)

Yeah, <center> is deprecated in HTML 4.01. It would be better to use <div align="center">. Then again, so is <font>, and look at how many people still use that! :eek:

[DStaal]

Originally posted by Kid Red
Not sure but I use and prefer <center> tags instead of <div align="center"> it's just <center>. the <div align="right"> is the same. I guess it's not that big of a deal since DW MX does eitehr div or center tags, but before it was only center tags. So if you used div tags you had to do it by hand, very annoying for a graphic artist to code :)

The idea w/ HTML 4.01/CSS and XHTML/CSS is to seperate content and presentation. <div> is a division of the document: you may center it, left align it, right align it, float it, hide it, or whatever. You can even do nothing with it. <center> just says center what comes next.

<div align="center"> may be harder to type, but <div class="header">, where header is styled to be centered, bold, in a different font, three sizes bigger and be outlined in a shadow is much quicker, especially if you have a header on every page...

(I do worry about your code; in my experiance graphic artists who haven't made a few mental adjustments write the worst web sites. And those who have made the adjustments make the best.)

[losfp]

Just getting off the topic slightly, as there seems to be talk about html :D I usually code using div align= etc etc.. but when you're knocking up a quick test page, center> is occasionally quicker to use. However if you have all the CSSs set up properly etc, that's the best.

[AllenPSU]

Originally posted by mac15
I assumed it was only speculation, good stuff . I think we'll see 1.0 sooner than later

I hope so... seems there are a lot of cool features that are locked up in there. I do wish they would add in a better scaling option when printing pages. IE 5.2 still has the easiest way to do this... a shame its the only good feature in that program.

[ezkimo]

I seemed to have somehow fried my tabs. Heres the situation. I downloaded the v62 beta and safari enhancer to make the debug menu show up. I turned on tabs and used them for a while with command t to open a new one. Then, thinking that I was done with the debug menu, I got rid of it thinking tabs would still work. Tabs got turned off when the debug menu was closed. So I reopened it and and turned on tabs and now I can only open a tab of a link if I right click (I have a 2 button mouse) it. The file menu dosnt have a new tab option and I cant command t a new one. Is there any way to fix without downloading again?

Thanks!

-Zach

[Kid Red]

Originally posted by DStaal
The idea w/ HTML 4.01/CSS and XHTML/CSS is to seperate content and presentation. <div> is a division of the document: you may center it, left align it, right align it, float it, hide it, or whatever. You can even do nothing with it. <center> just says center what comes next.

<div align="center"> may be harder to type, but <div class="header">, where header is styled to be centered, bold, in a different font, three sizes bigger and be outlined in a shadow is much quicker, especially if you have a header on every page...

(I do worry about your code; in my experiance graphic artists who haven't made a few mental adjustments write the worst web sites. And those who have made the adjustments make the best.)

I don't code by hand but one search engine spider only liked <div> tags and 1 client wanted them instead of any <center> tags. At the time, DW didn't do <div align="center"> so i had to replace them all by hand, which is where my discontent arises from.

I wouldn't worry about my code either, as i let DW handle it all. Of my 4+ years designing hundreds of sites (not coding dozens of pages per) I've never had any issues with the way DW writes code.

I don't do CSS files only simple <styletype="text/css"> and a few others I've picked up.

[Kid Red]

Originally posted by ezkimo
I seemed to have somehow fried my tabs. Heres the situation. I downloaded the v62 beta and safari enhancer to make the debug menu show up. I turned on tabs and used them for a while with command t to open a new one. Then, thinking that I was done with the debug menu, I got rid of it thinking tabs would still work. Tabs got turned off when the debug menu was closed. So I reopened it and and turned on tabs and now I can only open a tab of a link if I right click (I have a 2 button mouse) it. The file menu dosnt have a new tab option and I cant command t a new one. Is there any way to fix without downloading again?

Thanks!

-Zach

LOL, not sure why you got rid of the debug menu. You might have to re-install Safari and then either Safari enhancer or the terminal command which is easier. Eitehr way, leave the debug menu alone :)

[ezkimo]

Originally posted by Kid Red
LOL, not sure why you got rid of the debug menu. You might have to re-install Safari and then either Safari enhancer or the terminal command which is easier. Eitehr way, leave the debug menu alone :)

I thought the debug menu just activated stuff and then you could get rid of it since its kinda a waste of space.:D I reinstalled and everything is fine...Thanks! ;)

-Zach

[FredAkbar]

Originally posted by ezkimo
I thought the debug menu just activated stuff and then you could get rid of it since its kinda a waste of space.:D I reinstalled and everything is fine...Thanks! ;)

-Zach

Actually that's what I thought too. I only have my Debug menu turned on when I want to actually use it (like when I turned on Tabbed Browsing)...other than that, I don't have it on, and I've had no problems.

--Fred

[goofbutt]

When SJ announced Safari he was proud that booksmark in Safari was one of it's best features. I have found that the bookmarks in Safari is one of it's weakest points, next to the complete lack of keychain access. There is no easy way that I have found to be able to view my bookmarks along with the browser window. IE is better at dealing with bookmarks then Safari and I hate IE. Even in the v62 release of Safari with tabs enabled, the bookmarks still are awful. When you have multiple tabs and open bookmarks, they replace every web page on every tab until you hide your bookmarks. WTF? I hope that since v62 is not really ready for prime time, that apple fixes this before the release. If Apple doesn't make improvement to the bookmark feature in Safari, I can never make the switch from Chimera.

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Chimera is what Safari should be!

[gopher]

Chimera is too unstable for me. Safari I find is more stable and faster even without tabbed browsing. If Chimera didn't unexpectedly quit at random moments I might grow to like it more.

[beatle888]

yup

safari = stability

and the bookmarks feature rocks :D

[MacSlut]

Originally posted by goofbutt
When SJ announced Safari he was proud that booksmark in Safari was one of it's best features. I have found that the bookmarks in Safari is one of it's weakest points, next to the complete lack of keychain access. There is no easy way that I have found to be able to view my bookmarks along with the browser window. IE is better at dealing with bookmarks then Safari and I hate IE.

Thank you. I thought it was just me. Safari may be better at organizing bookmarks, but certainly not at using bookmarks. IE is much better with being able to use the pane while loading in pages. Very useful. I've customized the search pane in IE to use a HTML page with about 20 different customized searches that show results in the main window. Likewise creating your own sets of links for the Page Holder pane in IE can really be cool.

And last, here's one for anyone not convinced that Safari's bookmarks are weak...try opening a page from your history in Safari versus IE. Suppose that page in one you're not really sure of. In other words perhaps you looked at 20 pages on a site and you aren't sure which one you want to go back to. In IE, simply click on each in the History pane until you get to the page you want.

In Safari you have to keep re-opening the Bookmarks.

[MacSlut]

Don't get me wrong, I like Safari a lot or should I say the potential for Safari. It's just that it's not yet ready...of course it's BETA, but I'm not sure a new version of IE wouldn't be better, and there are a LOT of things that need to be fixed or added to Safari, whereas IE really just needs improvements in speed, tabs, spell checking and other services, and a few bugs to be fixed...notably, it crashes when you try to load in a file that is still be written to.

Another key area that makes IE better, and I doubt we'll find this in Safari is the ability to customize the toolbar. I'm not talking about a toolbar sheet, or swapping icons but the ability to customize it via XML.

I have all sorts of crazy buttons I created for my toolbar. My favorite is a Passwords key, which allows me to enter a master password and then it opens a password database. Others do things like open specific folders or launch AppleScript events.

[jimmueller]

Has anybody commented yet how much tabbed browsing (as shown on ThinkSecret) looks like Lotus Notes? Complete with the little "x" to close them. Yeeesh....

[Kid Red]

Originally posted by MacSlut
Thank you. I thought it was just me. Safari may be better at organizing bookmarks, but certainly not at using bookmarks. IE is much better with being able to use the pane while loading in pages. Very useful. I've customized the search pane in IE to use a HTML page with about 20 different customized searches that show results in the main window. Likewise creating your own sets of links for the Page Holder pane in IE can really be cool.

And last, here's one for anyone not convinced that Safari's bookmarks are weak...try opening a page from your history in Safari versus IE. Suppose that page in one you're not really sure of. In other words perhaps you looked at 20 pages on a site and you aren't sure which one you want to go back to. In IE, simply click on each in the History pane until you get to the page you want.

In Safari you have to keep re-opening the Bookmarks.

I disagree. If you want to go back use the back button. Otherwise, the way Safari handles it it much better and offers way more control then any current method.

Safari does need scrap book tho

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by jimmueller
Has anybody commented yet how much tabbed browsing (as shown on ThinkSecret) looks like Lotus Notes? Complete with the little "x" to close them. Yeeesh....

isn't this just an apple-designed tabbing structure? it looks the same in limewire, only aquified--and the tabs spread like in chimera, which we really need.

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by MacSlut
And last, here's one for anyone not convinced that Safari's bookmarks are weak...try opening a page from your history in Safari versus IE. Suppose that page in one you're not really sure of. In other words perhaps you looked at 20 pages on a site and you aren't sure which one you want to go back to. In IE, simply click on each in the History pane until you get to the page you want.

In Safari you have to keep re-opening the Bookmarks.

i checked this out. there is a history menu on the menubar that is pretty awesome. very organized into daily folders. they should probably subdivide it into domains though, you're right.

i think they should take the history integration out of the bookmarks, too, and implement something like IE or chimera. ultimately, the sidebar in chimera is MUCH better than IE or Safari's history stuff. and i prefer chimera's bookmark design. i mean, gosh, keywords rock. i missed that the first 5 minutes of using tabbed safari last night. i went back :(

[D0ct0rteeth]

I have updated to the newest version...

Installed safari enhancer and checked tabbed browsing and AutoComplete..

Now why dont my forms autocomplete?

-Doc

[zach]

anyway i can get v62? or do i have to be an apple deloper to get it? Cause i really want to be able to enable tabbed browsing......

[D0ct0rteeth]

read through the thread and you will find places to download v62. Safari enhancer is on versiontracker

-Doc

[jimmueller]

Lotus Notes R5 (vintage 2000) looks pretty similar:

[foniks2020]

HAH! this is great and I can't wait for a final release with these features.... ya know why? Cause Safari is a cocoa app and that means you can use Cocoa Gestures with it (tried it out and it's awesome!).

If you haven't discovered the beauty of mouse gestures you are missing out on the best new interface feature EVER! Do a search and grab it up.

What it does is allow you to predefine per application mouse gestures to perform menu actions (like next tab/ prev tab/ open + close bookmarks/ minimize and more). Mouse gestures are defined as up and left or left/right/left or left up right down (a circle - i use as 'refresh') and are activated by holding down one or more button / key combos and performing a little wrist gesture with the mouse.... I use my middle button / scroll button (the best).

So now with tabs I can comfortable open a new tab (up) open my bookmarks (right / up) and open a site, then if I want to go back to a previous tab (left). So that's U, R-U, Click, L with mouse movement of barely an inch.

Try it, it is on par with Virtual Desktop and DragThing in the top new interface tools ever.

Trust me Safari w/ tabs and Gestures are a match made in heaven.

[adhesiv]

[edited]

[FelixDerKater]

Good integration with the Keychain for Safari would be welcomed. It gets old typing passwords for .Mac everytime you click on a different .Mac section.

[edesignuk]

Originally posted by adhesiv
edited

enjoy!
Dude, don't you learn? One of your threads has already been scrapped and the link deleted here (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=20948), do u wanna get banned? :rolleyes:

[FelixDerKater]

Originally posted by edesignuk
Dude, don't you learn? One of your threads has already been scrapped and the link deleted here (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=20948), do u wanna get banned? :rolleyes:

Well, he has a post count of 2 and both have had to be edited. That isn't the best way to get started out here.

[cnladd]

Originally posted by sergeantmudd
There is no need for the debug unless you want to turn it on and off on the fly.

I'm sorry, but I see plenty of need for the debug menu. Sure, not everyone will need it, but it is very useful. I not only use it for web design (testing efforts) but I also use it to access my account info online. I normally browse with the default user agent settings (just so sites know I'm a safari user), but I'll switch it to an IE user-agent for sites that restrict certain browsers. That's useful enough functionality that I certainly hope the debug menu, in some form (even as a set of options in the browser's preferences) makes it into the final product.

[mattevil]

http://www.yzedf.com/pictures/random/foo/

of all places I found this link for Safari v.62(tabs) on Fark.com.
Get it fast before it's farked!

[celaurie]

Originally posted by teabgs
Where is this 'debug' menu?? :confused:

I know its not out yet...but is that menu new in the next version? Or am I just a little slow?

To activate the debug menu, get a copy of Safari Enhancer (http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/17776).

There are other apps and ways to do this, but I find this one the easiest!

Open up the app and the steps to activating the menu are straight forward! :)

Hope this is of use!

Chris

[cnladd]

Originally posted by celaurie
To activate the debug menu, get a copy of Safari Enhancer (http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/17776).

There are other apps and ways to do this, but I find this one the easiest!

The other way is to pop up an instance of Terminal.app and type in the following line:

defaults write com.apple.safari IncludeDebugMenu 1

To disable the debug menu:

defaults write com.apple.safari IncludeDebugMenu 0

This must be done while Safari is closed.

[beatle888]

soooo cool, i now have tabs :D


oh and i cant remember if safari has EVER crashed on me :D

[scmacdaddy]

Originally posted by D0ct0rteeth
I have updated to the newest version...

Installed safari enhancer and checked tabbed browsing and AutoComplete..

Now why dont my forms autocomplete?

-Doc

I'm with you Doc. Does anyone know if this feature will not work till the public version is released?

P.S. TABS ROCK!!

[alset]

I'm not impressed. The Safari implementation of tabs is weak, at best. On top of that, it's still the ugliest browser Apple could have churned out.

Dan

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by alset
I'm not impressed. The Safari implementation of tabs is weak, at best. On top of that, it's still the ugliest browser Apple could have churned out.

Dan

OK. but trust that apple will add features to its tabs, possibly before the official release. I also thing that there is a great deal of innovation in this browser. it is far from the ugliest browser apple could have made. you should be more creative:rolleyes:. if you dislike the brushed look, this is very easy to alter; i certainly did so. now it looks just about like every other browser i have ever seen, though i still have issues with some of its renderings.

[cnladd]

Originally posted by scmacdaddy
I'm with you Doc. Does anyone know if this feature will not work till the public version is released?

P.S. TABS ROCK!!

The autocomplete feature is known to not work in v62. The next version is supposed to have this working (at least somewhat.)

The tabs on Safari v62 still have a little to be desired. For the most part, they're great, but there are issues when too many are open at once. Also, Cmd-W will usually close the current tab (as it's supposed to) but will sometimes close the entire window.

Everyone, keep in mind that Safari is in beta. Most companies would not release something this unfinished to the public. With that said, I feel Safari is a more polished application than the final versions of many apps out there. However, it is unfinished. You can bash it on appearance however much you like, but complaining about something not working properly is, at this point, a bit premature.

[MrMacMan]

Tell me why we are allowed to talk about it and download the program, but not post pictures?

Uhhhhhh.

[D0ct0rteeth]

Originally posted by cnladd
The autocomplete feature is known to not work in v62. The next version is supposed to have this working (at least somewhat.)


Thanks. I thought i was the only one. :) I was signing up for netflix.com and thought I was losing it.

I imagine it will use the data in our addressbook profile?

Thanks again.

-Doc

[PieMac]

Love the tabs, but not the bugs. After trying it out for a few hours, I uninstalled it. I would open up a window and the text would be huge...also too inconsistent with page rendering. Just wondering if anyone else was having the text problem. Page would be perfect one time and all askew the next. Has great promise, though!

[MrMacMan]

Originally posted by PieMac
Love the tabs, but not the bugs. After trying it out for a few hours, I uninstalled it. I would open up a window and the text would be huge...also too inconsistent with page rendering. Just wondering if anyone else was having the text problem. Page would be perfect one time and all askew the next. Has great promise, though!
Nope, I'm not getting that.

Though I'm waiting for them to fix this really silly mis-aligment problem in this fourm... I mean
Post one |
Post two |
Post 3 |
:eek:
Oh yeah and I noticed too many spaces next to the username. Dunno why...

Edit Whoops another bug it seems. I put 1 space after 'Post One' but more than 12 spaces after Post 2 and they Show up Top/Bottom of each other.

[MetallicPenguin]

Hello:

I'm new and I've been reading over everyone's posts, so I found somewhere to get v62 but I can't get it to work with tabs. I put in the termainal code line thing, got the debug menu, turned on tabbbing, but the tabs don't come up.

thanks

[MrMacMan]

The the last part of the step it hit Apple + T
!
Then you can use the tabs.

[davy the bunny]

you should be able to go up to File>New Tab or hit Cmd - T and that should do it for you. . .

[FredAkbar]

You can also (usually) hold down Command as you click a link, and that will automatically open it in a new tab. If you hold down Command and Shift when you click a link, it will open in a new tab in the background.

--Fred

[scem0]

autofill = important
tabs = important to many people, but not me.

good deal. Keep the good work up apple.

(Im kinda late in respoding to this, but oh well. :o )

[MetallicPenguin]

thanks guys it's awesome

[jthrasher]

I downloaded the safari enhancer but the tabs don't work. it said you'd be able to use tabs but i can't get them. any ideas?

[barhnt]

Originally posted by Kwyjibo
great find; tabs are especially usefull to users with ibooks and the small powerbook because it really helps you browse alot of content on a small screen. I hope they develop a good keystroke to move between the tabs. I feel that Chimera still lacks this.


Yes i agree that tabs are great for Ibooks. I have a 12 inch and sometimes i have a hard time browsing all the things i want on such a small screen.

[FredAkbar]

Originally posted by jthrasher
I downloaded the safari enhancer but the tabs don't work. it said you'd be able to use tabs but i can't get them. any ideas?

Did you enable the Debug menu? I'm pretty sure that Safari Enabler can do this for you, or if not, then just type this into a Terminal window:
defaults write com.apple.Safari IncludeDebugMenu 1

Anyway, once you have the Debug menu enabled, then there's an option near the bottom (I think) to enable tabs.

Once you have tabs enabled, then just hit Command-T to make a new tab.

--Fred

[jthrasher]

Yes I did both of those. i have the Debug menu but there is no option for tabs. apple-T doesn't work either. any other ideas?

[cnladd]

Double-check the version of Safari that you're running. It should say "1.0 Beta (v62)". Earlier versions, such as v60, won't work.

Note that v62 isn't a public release of Safari, so if you downloaded it from Apple's website (or from SUPP) then you have too early of a version.

[jthrasher]

I have version 1.0 i downloaded it just today

[cnladd]

Originally posted by jthrasher
I have version 1.0 i downloaded it just today

Where did you download it from? The final version of Safari hasn't yet been released. The "About Safari" menu item should show a version of "1.0 Beta (v??)", where there is a number such as 58, or 60, or 62 in place of the "??". If it is anything less than 62 then your version isn't recent enough.

Again, if you received your version through Apple's website or through SUPP then you don't have the most recent version. v62 is only available to developers (though it has been made available to others over the 'net.)

[voyagerd]

Autofill works but it still needs some work