Official Microsoft Vs> Apple Debate

[UNIVSOUTHFLA]

Let The Debate Begin!!!

[j26]

Mapplesoft rules!!!!!

[Blackheart]

Apples are fruity!

[someguy]

Before someone else says it (and I know they will)...

"Oh, great, another 'Official' thread started by someone who isn't an official". boo-****ing-hoo.

;)
That said, there truly is no comparison. The only time MS products are any good is when there are no similar Apple products to get the job done with. Many of us use software at work that isn't available for the Mac OS yet, and so we are forced (for now) to use Windows in order to do what we need to do.

[celebrian23]

In order to have a debate, both sides need representatives. It's not a fair fight if we don't have loyal PC users here too

[chrismccorkle]

BOOT CAMP! debate over

[Blue Velvet]

Let The Debate Begin!!!

Uh, that started some years ago, possibly before you were born. Can someone please explain what the point of this thread is?

[matthew24]

"I don't care if Bill Gates is the world's biggest philanthropist. The pain he has inflicted on the world in the past 20 years through lousy products easily outweighs any good he has done.":p :p :p :p :p

[matthew24]

In order to have a debate, both sides need representatives. It's not a fair fight if we don't have loyal PC users here too

OK, is anyone willing to represent a Windows sufferer? :D

[zakatov]

OK, is anyone willing to represent a Windows sufferer? :D


here ya go.

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/3861/picture13pp.png

take your best shot

[killuminati]

Yay, awesome idea for a debate.






:rolleyes:

[wonga1127]

OK, is anyone willing to represent a Windows sufferer? :D
Right here. :(

[ManchesterTrix]

Since the move to the NT Kernel, Windows is fine. It's pretty much down to personal preference and comfort at this point.

Though OS/2 Warp > all.

[JMG]

this thread should be locked. Stop stroking your egos.

[jamesi]

Let The Debate Begin!!!

this thread is such garbage, there are millions already out there and i by you not even stating your opinion im led to believe your doing this for some sort of lame fun

[UNIVSOUTHFLA]

ok heres my opinion...
The Mac is a great-system for-the most common of computing applications. For power-users and those who like-to multi-task, Windows wins hands-down. In-general, though, the Mac seems to-be more user-friendly.

First off, I originally used the Macintosh operating system (from here, “OS”) when I was in high school. I’m not sure of the version, but the years were 93-95. I didn’t touch the Mac until I decided to switch over in August of last year (2002). At the time, my 17” iMac shipped with Mac OS X 10.1 installed. However, it also included the “Jaguar” update, OS X 10.2. I updated the OS to 10.2.

In order to truly reflect my experience, I should note the hardware specifications of my Apple computer:

Motorola G4 processor operating at 800 megahertz, front side bus at 100 megahertz
1024 megabytes of SDRAM
80 gigabytes of internal hard drive storage, operating at 7200 RPM

So how’s my Mac experience going?

It’s going rather well, considering what I use it for. Then again, I could do more, and therein lies the problem.

I’m going to compare the usage of this system to that of a Windows computer, of which my family has in our home, in my father’s office. Following are the relevant specifications of that computer:

Windows 98SE (updated)
Intel Pentium 3 processor operating at 733 megahertz, front side bus at 100 megahertz.
256 megabytes of SDRAM
15 gigabytes of internal hard drive storage, operating at 7200 RPM

Another relevant point to arguments: my Internet access speed averages 1400 kbs.

I’ll start with simple, regular, typical computing applications.

Web surfing. Internet Explorer for the Mac is horrible. It takes, probably, 50 times slower to render (bring up) webpages. This is a very rough estimate, but considering that on the Windows machine, when it brings up webpages almost instantaneously, while on the Mac, I have to wait at least two seconds, I would say the comparison yields an outstanding victory for Windows. Then again, after Apple released its own Web browser, Safari, the results changed. Safari renders webpages just as fast as IE on Windows, and to me that was impressive. However, Safari is only in Beta stage, and the bugs are noticeable. Apple’s Safari needs a lot of work, as it is not compatible with a lot of online services, whereas its OS X counterpart, IE, does work with most online services (although sometimes this is an OS X issue – some services only work with Windows). All in all, the nod goes to Windows. Web surfing is faster, and with the multi-tasking debate on the table, Windows wins hands down (more on the “multi-tasking debate” later).

Email. POP3 email performs just as well as the Windows computer. There isn’t a thing to dispute this claim. POP3 is a matter of downloading, and the Mac performs just as well, in downloading or uploading information as a Windows computer, at least for this purpose. As for Webmail, which is more and more becoming the trend, I’ll refer you to the Web surfing points I made earlier.

Office applications. Word processing. Absolutely no complaints here. And by the way, I’m comparing Office XP for the Mac to Office 2000 on the Windows computer. As for Excel or PowerPoint, I haven’t used them, so I can’t comment. I imagine the experience is the same as with MS Word, for either platform. Since these are offline applications, if the system has enough power, which both do for these applications, performance isn’t an issue. However, I’ve had problems uploading data from Word on the Mac to the Web, in simple text format. Actually, for every review I write for Epinions, I have to compose it on my Mac, email the document to the Windows computer, and upload the text to Epinions from there. Simple copying and pasting hasn’t worked for me, to Epinions. Doing so results in illiterate characters embedded within the text, and that is embarrassing (and resulting in poor ratings). I’ve tried it three times, and it didn’t work on any attempt. However, composition of any Word document on the Mac, and emailing it to anybody, whether it’s a simple letter, a resume, or a piece or work, I haven’t had any compatibility problems. The text comes out on Windows just as I composed it on the Mac. Strange, but true.

Okay, now we get to general performance issues.

The Mac is pure and simple, slower than Windows. This is the biggest issue. Reliability comes in a close second. More on that later.

If I launch an application, it generally takes two-three seconds, if not more, to open up. This is very disappointing. The same applications, or like applications, on Windows, boot up almost instantaneously. Example: Word on Mac versus Word on Windows. On the Mac, probably three seconds. On Windows, one second. Boom. It’s there. Acceptable, but annoying.

Multi-tasking. Phew. Apple made a smart move by implementing the “dock.” The dock contains your most used applications. You can customize the dock to contain whatever you want. In many ways, it is a lot like Windows’ “quick launch” bar (within the task bar). If it weren’t for the dock, multi-tasking on the Mac would be very difficult, compared to Windows. Even as it is, multi-tasking is a major pain. Example: just the other nite, I was playing poker with some people on Yahoo. I had some instant messages coming up, and iTunes playing. Every time I wanted to go back and forth to the instant message windows, I had to minimize, maximize, back and forth, and so on. And of course, in the middle of it, if my play list quit on iTunes, I had to put a virtual halt on whatever I was doing, simply to start up another play list. With Windows, everything is in the taskbar, and that is very convenient. Apple must improve on the dock function to compete with Windows. If you want to get things done, Windows beats OS X every time.

The mouse problem. Bundled with any Apple computer is a one-button mouse. I gave up trying to use that thing after six weeks. Spent $20 and bought a Logitech Mac-compatible two button, wheel, optical mouse. The best $20 I ever I spent. Sorry Apple, but right clicking is a must, especially for simple Web surfing. Yikes. Then there is the matter of copying and pasting. In general, with the Mac, it doesn’t work. That’s right; if you want to copy, say, a URL (web address), you have to highlight, go up to Edit, select Copy, select New Window, highlight the open URL, and then paste it in. Phew. With Windows, right-click, copy, go up, double-click on open URL, and paste. The difference? Probably 20 seconds. Sorry, but in my world, that’s a long time for such a simple function. The whole copy and pasting function is a nuisance on the Mac. It takes several more clicks, on average. On Windows, the right-click menu offers far more options than on the Mac. On the Mac, the right-click menu is very limited, and it actually varies, from situation to situation, noticeably. The inconsistencies of this all-important function on today’s applications should not be understated.

The “proprietary” problem. Apple doesn’t believe in open standards, this much is obvious. Example: one of my good friends is certified and computer knowledgeable beyond belief, on Windows, Linux, Unix, and Apple. I wanted to upgrade the RAM on my iMac. It was shipped with 512 – two 256 modules. I guess “anybody” can upgrade one of the modules, but the other is buried inside the machine, beneath about three sets of screws. If you go far enough, the warranty is void. To make it short, his know-how aside, I had to take the machine to an Apple dealer to fill out the maximum allowable memory on this machine – 1024 gigs. Another example – the power cord. What happens if that fails? Unlikely, but I would probably have to pay Apple $50 for a replacement, while on Windows PC, I could probably pick one up for $10 (new or used). This machine does not have PS/2 connectors for old mice or keyboards. Everything is USB, as far as the mice and keyboard.

I guess this is my rant for Mac OS X. I could go on further, no doubt.

You should take from this review the following points:

* Windows is faster and better for multi-tasking
* Windows computers use “standard” equipment, minimizing costs for repairs, enhancements.
* The Mac is better in terms of reliability. Mac OS will not crash, and you will find, by far, fewer error messages in anything that you do.
* Gotta say it, Mac OS is “prettier.” Enough with the blah. The graphical interface of the Mac OS simply brightens your day, compared to the stone cold Windows look.

There, take that and smoke it. This thread is no joke!

[ntrsfrml]

not another stoopid m$ Vs apple thread.. and why is it in the hardware section?? mods please move or close it.

[bbrosemer]

Apple makes hardware and software Microsoft makes software... its that simple...

[Paimon]

We need to thank MS for Menus that stay down when the mouse is clicked, and also for the joy of contextual menus.

While we're at it, imagine how badly things would suck if Apple won the PC wars. They would have a total hardware and software monopoly and we'd be paying outrageous sums of money for stagnent technology.

Anyway who cares? It's like comparing a screwdriver to a hammer, you gotta use the right tool for the job. If you live for online games, you buy a PC.

[EndSession]

If you turn the screwdriver over, you can use it like a hammer.

[mduser63]

* Windows is faster and better for multi-tasking
* Windows computers use “standard” equipment, minimizing costs for repairs, enhancements.
* The Mac is better in terms of reliability. Mac OS will not crash, and you will find, by far, fewer error messages in anything that you do.
* Gotta say it, Mac OS is “prettier.” Enough with the blah. The graphical interface of the Mac OS simply brightens your day, compared to the stone cold Windows look.

Uh...you spent all that time typing a comparison of OS X 10.2 Jaguar and Windows 98SE in June of 2006?!? Upgrade to OS X 10.4 Tiger and Windows XP then learn how to actually use the Mac and try again. Safari is not in beta, it's version 2 for one thing. Most anyone you ask will agree that the Mac is better for multitasking than Windows, if for no other reason than Exposé (introduced in Panther), etc, etc. There are a TON of other inaccuracies in your review (ever hear of a keyboard shortcut for copy/paste?) but I'm not going to go into them.

[balamw]

Uh...you spent all that time typing a comparison of OS X 10.2 Jaguar and Windows 98SE in June of 2006?!?
I didn’t touch the Mac until I decided to switch over in August of last year (2002).
Nah, looks like we fell through a wormhole and emerged in 2003.

B

[deputy_doofy]

And, as always, I am a big Doofy! :D

[bbrosemer]

Windows is so so much better for taking a half hour of your time to make it run faster, and to get the Ram usage at boot down to 80megs

[Blackheart]

I think someone has a case of the troll.

[bbrosemer]

I think someone has a case of the troll.
Troll...?

[yellow]

Nah, looks like we fell through a wormhole and emerged in 2003.

Awesome! I'm going to win the lottery!!!

This machine does not have PS/2 connectors for old mice or keyboards. Everything is USB, as far as the mice and keyboard.

I think this is my favorite part.

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Ultimately, UNIVSOUTHFLA, I think your arguments are a little out of touch, and therefore, rather pointless.

I mean, I could compare Windows 3.11 and System 7.. but why the **** would I?

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[afornander]

setting the computer up when you buy it...

mac, open the box plug it in connect the keyboard and mouse.

Windows, open the box connect the display, connect the speaker, connect the mouse and keyboard, plug it all in. plus, spend and hour+ to update it for antivirus, adware, and drivers.

[bbrosemer]

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Ultimately, UNIVSOUTHFLA, I think your arguments are a little out of touch, and therefore, rather pointless.

I mean, I could compare Windows 3.11 and System 7.. but why the **** would I?

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Wo there u mean System 7 with a Windows Logo on it that is all that Windows 3.11 was , damn theives.

[stunna]

Anything that can be done on a Mac can also be done on a PC

I don't see what makes the Mac better, can someone explain.

[mduser63]

Wo there u mean System 7 with a Windows Logo on it that is all that Windows 3.11 was , damn theives.

No, Windows 3.11 wasn't nearly as good as System 7. Windows 95 is where MS really started ripping System 7 off.

[mduser63]

Anything that can be done on a Mac can also be done on a PC

The question is how long will it take, and how frustrated will you be in-process?

[kretzy]

This is honestly one of the most inane threads I have ever read on MacRumors.

[bbrosemer]

Everything you can do on a mac can be done on a PC.
Everything that was ever done in Windows was already done in OS whatever.

[wonga1127]

You know what I found to be the easiest way to get Windows working on a Wintel? Format the harddrive.

[koratnia]

The Powermac is the most powerful mac computer, right?

I went to the apple store online, and I beefed up the POwermac (16 gigs of RAM, all the rest), and it cost over 22,000 USD.


I went to check the statistics on the computer, and it ran at 2,5 GHertz. The dell I am running right now, cost a total of 700 dollars and runs 2.8 Gigahertz.


Granted, Mac's OS is 64 bit, allowing them to have 16 Gigabytes of RAM, but I could switch in this tell for a Dell that cost $400 dollars more and have the same capabilities, even more, actually: On microsoft xp 64 bit, you can have up to 128 Gigabytes of RAM installed on a single, non-server system.

I'm not going to try and make an arguement for the OSes. Its obvious to me that Apple OSX 10 is superiour. But the thing is, Windows has all the new games I want to play, and Apple has consistently been a couple of years at least behind in the majority of games it has published that are workable on OSX. The case with windows is that all PC games come out, on, well, PCs first. Things like this don't just change over night. Stop dreaming.

if you're going to make the arguement that Macs can now run Windows, well, by much less costly system right here, can, too, and make my games run faster.

[mcarnes]

Ahhh, now we get to meet all the hidden negative voters. Hello windows users, welcome to MR.