Switching BACK!!

[aceguitarslingr]

So, after all the praise in my other post, let me just make it clear. Nothing changes, the macsters on this forum are supernice.

BUT

Two days ago the UPS van arrives at my house. Delivers three boxes. One (unexpectedly light) contains a 15.4" MacBook Pro with a 100gig 7200rpm drive, 2 gig RAM and a matte display. All at 20% education discount.

After excitedly unpacking - we all know the beauty of Apple's packaging, I glance at the machine. Granted, many friends who've convinced me to switch have one, and all the aluminium notebooks look as good as each other, but now for the first time I could hold it and inspect it. There is no question that this is the most beautiful computer out there. Period. Fantastic design.

I open it up. Wow. Not sure about the screen dimensions, will take some getting used to, but what a beauty. And I feel ashamed here, for I am only talking about technology...

Anyway, I notice the eject key is not straight. Read about this on here, and it's really out of line with the other keys, higher, slanting from left to right - and wiggling won't fix it. But oh well, having just sat down in front of the most beautiful computer I've ever owned (it's been many, all at the top end of things), I won't let this spoil it.

So, to a Windows user, I mean no question - total no brainer, OSX is the finest thing ever. I am still shocked at the possibility that a startup sequence could be beautiful and make as much sense - coming from Win, it's unheard of. The thing asks you which network you use!!! And then just connects - XP? What is the port number of your uncle Bob - please enter it backwards. Then download the genuine disadvantage tool... you know where I'm coming from.

Now, it's downloading all the updates. It's been on 7 mins at most, and it is HOT. I mean, uncomfortable to the touch. I am beginning to worry. And then I notice it. The case is not shut properly. In the corner on the right next to the mousepad, it's open. I can easily slide my nail under it and lift it. And now that I am looking closely it's also weird on the left, the dark grey strip is not applied properly. Now we are definitely into baaad quality territory. It is now so hot that there is no way I can use this for the next four years constantly.

So I check out the whine situation. Switch off my other machine and sure enough, different programme activity on the Mac, power in or not, all affect the varying buzzing / whining sounds it emits. It's only silent when running on battery, but even then there is a kind of buzzing inside. Might be normal, but definitely uncomfortable. And when I finally work out how to turn the display brightness all the way up, a high pitched squeal comes out, unbearable even for someone (like me) who has serious tinnitus.

Software wise, whilst it is the most beautiful operating system ever, it cannot do one mission critical thing - which I was ensured time and time again it would be able to do - insert hyperlinks into e-mail (so that I can put headings at the top and articles below). Now I'm sure there is some wizzkid solution, but don't tell me, I've tried - entourage cannot do this. Why?? And Mail? Forget it. And btw, Boot Camp does not count, for the whole idea is to use the beauty of OSX to make the multitasking required to compose those mails smoother... ...and don't kill me for saying this, but - I guess it's natural - Office is nicer in Windows. This is not a Rosetta thing - my specs took care of that easily - it almost ran better than on my VAIO, but the comparable size of the teams putting together Office and Office:Mac shows IMHO (and only IMHO).

So tomorrow the nice man from TNT is coming to take the most beautiful computer I've ever owned away again. It's a shame, but the build quality, niggling problems - and who cares how rare or frequent or bad or annoying or whatever they are, when you have the top-of-the range machine from the supposed 'reliable' manufacturer, you expect the case to be assembled properly and it not to have very serious issues. And I am NOT of a nitpicking nature. I would gladly accept some MINOR faults, but believe me, this was a joke.

It has baaad reminiscience with my iPods. I LOVE the interface / iTunes. It is up and away - and we all know this - the best app for music. But I'm on my fith (or sixth, lost count) iPod. Second paid for, after the first one broke (again) within days of the warranty expiring. All my friends (everyone and their dog has an iPod) have the same issues, and the UPS guy who always comes to deliver the little box and take the thing away says that he spends all day, every day, doing this (delivering iPod service boxes).

Beautifully designed shoddy hardware. Apple. Form and function over functionality (or something).

I tell you, I bought a (admittedly very expensive) top of the range VAIO 4 years ago. It is running XP Proffessional. It has never crashed. It does not get hot. It certainly does not buzz whine, moo or baaah for that matter. It is not even that ugly. It is the best computer I've ever had, and I will happily admit that its operating system is not the greatest, but it's ok. It is a better computer (in terms of running rather than specs) than my new Mac. No question about it. And I bet there are an awful lot of people out there making ideological sacrifices at the alter of OSX and burnt wrists...

I wanted OSX so bad. I still do. But frankly, I was always sceptical. The latest ads just added to that... I'm not the 'Apple wanker' - though it might work on my Mom... but guys, thanks for your time, here's one guy who is switching back - eager for Vista's cheap OSX imitation - but heart a little lighter now that I know what I am not missing!!

Have a nice iLife!!!;) And don't take it badly...

[yellow]

ok. Thanks for coming out.

[njmac]

see ya. Thanks for coming.

[celebrian23]

I agree with a lot of your complaints. Don't get me wrong, I love my mbp, but I agree it is "shoddy hardware". I hope apple is taking note and makes some changes in rev. B.

[Macmaniac]

Curious why you did not ask a few questions here before sending it back. I am sure some people here could have helped you out with some of your problems.

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

Bye-bye... if a straight exchange isn't good enough then get a machine you're comfortable with. Who cares?

Just one thing on the way out:

In a new mail message (rich text format), try this

52118

...or this

52119

...to get to this menu

52120

...and voila

52121

Will you look at that? A link in a mail message. Was that what you meant by a "wizzkid solution"?

[SpookTheHamster]

To be honest, I couldn't care less if you're switching back. It's your loss, after all. What do I, as a Mac owner, gain from you also owning a Mac? Diddly squat.

I feel sorry for you that you got a bad computer, but I don't care that you're leaving.

[milo]

Buh bye.

[atiffarooq]

see ya

[aceguitarslingr]

Ohhhhh, I see, now you're starting to show your true colours. So much bitterness from such a friendly crowd. Come on now. I am being perfectly reasonable...

Curious why you did not ask a few questions here before sending it back. I am sure some people here could have helped you out with some of your problems.

This is a fair point though. Someone else also said something about a replacement. It's simple. I've waited over two weeks for this one (and I understand why... so that's ok). I require a tip top reliable working laptop, like yesterday. I simply haven't got time, nerve, nor interest in waiting - or asking you guys for help - despite the fact that it would be kind and forthcoming. And again. Come on. This was a top class machine. It's a joke. Now don't be mean to me. Afterall I will suffer in the WIn world.

[aceguitarslingr]

Bye-bye... if a straight exchange isn't good enough then get a machine you're comfortable with. Who cares?

Just one thing on the way out:

In a new mail message (rich text format), try this

52118

...or this

52119

...to get to this menu

52120

...and voila

52121

Will you look at that? A link in a mail message. Was that what you meant by a "wizzkid solution"?

No it wasn't. It also wasn't what I need it to do. Thanks though...

[Macmaniac]

Bye-bye... if a straight exchange isn't good enough then get a machine you're comfortable with. Who cares?

Just one thing on the way out:

In a new mail message (rich text format), try this

52118

...or this

52119

...to get to this menu

52120

...and voila

52121

Will you look at that? A link in a mail message. Was that what you meant by a "wizzkid solution"?
I think he means just straight copy and paste. For instance if I were to copy this thread address into this message, or into any other program it is instantly hyper-linked, without doing what you showed above. Although that is a good way of doing it.

[netdog]

I think that my MacBook is the most beautiful portable ever built, but I am glad that you feel the same way about your MacBook Pro. Apple makes some really elegant hardware.

As for your switching back, don't flatter yourself that anyone is going to take it badly. Nobody cares if you would rather get a Windows machine. That's your call. I switched in January, and having played with Vista on an old laptop since, I am only more convinced that the Mac is now for me, and I haven't even seen Leopard yet. As for what you use? I don't think you'll find that it bothers anyone one way or the other.

As for the things that you think OS X can't do, you are wrong only because you are a newbie. The people on this board brought me up to speed really fast though. I still have to ask the occassional really dumb question, but my teachers here really empowered me to use my Mac in very short order.

[QCassidy352]

sorry you got one bad machine, but IMO it doesn't make much sense to give up so easily. Do you see how many happy mac owners there are on this board (and elsewhere)? You got off on the wrong foot with macs... too bad you don't have the patience to make it work.

[yellow]

I require a tip top reliable working laptop, like yesterday. I simply haven't got time, nerve, nor interest in waiting - or asking you guys for help - despite the fact that it would be kind and forthcoming.


You've had the computer for 2 days..

You've not had any problems with it other than cosmetic ones..

And suddenly this computer is "unreliable"??

I don't quite follow your reasoning.

[CanadaRAM]

This is a fair point though. Someone else also said something about a replacement. It's simple. I've waited over two weeks for this one (and I understand why... so that's ok). I require a tip top reliable working laptop, like yesterday. I simply haven't got time, nerve, nor interest in waiting - or asking you guys for help - despite the fact that it would be kind and forthcoming. And again. Come on. This was a top class machine. It's a joke. Now don't be mean to me. Afterall I will suffer in the WIn world.
Interesting question:
What happens if the next Win machine arrives with some kind of a defect? There is a 10 - 15% chance (my estimate) that it will.
Are you going to write off each manufacturer in turn, if they blow their one and only chance to deliver a perfect product?

The thread is a cutting off my nose to spite my face one - "I really, really wanted a Mac and now that Apple has mistreated me, I will punish myself by never getting a Mac in noble protest to their misdeed". The thread is not asking for help, it's a F-U-All-on -the-way-out-the-door to the Mac users on the board, the only reason for posting it is to get either sympathy or an argument. It got the predictable response.

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

I think he means just straight copy and paste. For instance if I were to copy this thread address into this message, or into any other program it is instantly hyper-linked, without doing what you showed above. Although that is a good way of doing it.If you paste a whole address (i.e. URL), with appropriate protocol, it will be "clickable" on the receiving end in most decent mail clients, like Mail:

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[njmac]

aceguitarslingr, why are you still here? Trolling perhaps :rolleyes: Or did you sincerely want to hear the farewell's from people you don't know?

[aceguitarslingr]

Interesting question:
What happens if the next Win machine arrives with some kind of a defect? There is a 10 - 15% chance (my estimate) that it will.
Are you going to write off each manufacturer in turn, if they blow their one and only chance to deliver a perfect product?

The thread is a cutting off my nose to spite my face one - "I really, really wanted a Mac and now that Apple has mistreated me, I will punish myself by never getting a Mac in noble protest to their misdeed". The thread is not asking for help, it's a F-U-All-on -the-way-out-the-door to the Mac users on the board, the only reason for posting it is to get either sympathy or an argument. It got the predictable response.


Interesting. I generally tend not to tell people I do not know F U. Particularly when I've repeatedly spoken of my admiration for the way they talk to one another in their forums. But I take your point. Apple has not mistreated me though, that would be far to personal for a computer manufacturer. As a Demi-G-d you may have the patience and interest to engage with these things, but the first part of your post is rubbish. It is highly unlikely that the Windows machine will have a defect. Maybe a small chance, but nothing like the well documented problems at Apple. Not that I wish to flame Apple, despite my experience.

I accept that many of you would have tried again, sent it back, laboured out of love for Apple. I cannot find the time to do this, nor should I have to. I repeat again. This was a top class machine. And the quality is a joke. I mean, come on. The top of the case is not properly joined to the bottom. That's a cosmetic problem that shouldn't be there. OK. Makes you wonder who inspected it, but ok. But different kinds of whines - burning heat. All well documented. I simply haven't got time to deal with it. It is not up to scratch, however much mud you throw my way.

Let me emphasise again that I am not saying F U to any Macsters on here. QUite on the contrary, CanadaRAM. i am envious but nice. It didn't work out for me. THought I'd share it. Fairly, praise where it deserves, criticism where not. It just so happens there was a lot of cause for criticism. Get real.

[jemeinc]

Wow !!! Why kill the guy? His points are valid- Apple has hardware problems, they have for awhile now... I always work through them because of the OS, and the fact that I feel the many positives of using a Mac far outweigh the negatives that comes with the hardware issues... But that's the choice I made- this user made the choice that he wasn't willing to put up with any hardware issues... I can understand that- he's the customer, and he got a unit with some significant problems... I'm surprised more people don't make that same decision- but Apple certainly has a loyal customer base- which they are relying on heavily during these hardware issues that keep coming up with their products... I'm a Mac user, and my family insists I should work for them because I'm always singing their praises, but they're certainly NOT perfect...

[GFLPraxis]

Ohhhhh, I see, now you're starting to show your true colours. So much bitterness from such a friendly crowd. Come on now. I am being perfectly reasonable...


Don't take it personally. A lot of the people around here are used to trolls posting threads similar to this (only usually a bit ruder and more anti-Mac) and trying to get people angry, so they immediately have a hostile reaction when they see it.

Some people around here are being overly rude.

And believe me, your experience is rather uncommon. These new first-gen Intel MacBook Pros have had a lot of problems- previous PowerBooks were usually quite reliable, and MacBooks and Apple's desktops are incredibly sturdy,

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

It is highly unlikely that the Windows machine will have a defect. Maybe a small chance, but nothing like the well documented problems at Apple. Not that I wish to flame Apple, despite my experience.Troll! I wasn't sure, I figured you might just be disappointed by getting a lemon, but now I guess you're just posting here to p*** other people off...

[Rantipole]

You've gone through how many iPods? Something doesn't smell right here.

[JohnyMac]

I have had great luck, thankfully, with all my Mac products.
I can understand the frustration at getting a bad egg delivered.
But, I can tell you, as an IT type, I have spet more time resolving spyware, mal-ware (**), BSOD issues on a WinTel machine than the time it would take to switch the bad machine for another :eek: .
I am sorry that you were unable to wait it out, as you sure seem like you wanted to.
But, 'twas not to be.
So, go forth into the world, work hard, and do good.
Windows world and Mac worlds will both go on, regardless of which machines any of us use.
JMHO
Jm

** For now, at least, we are not afflicted by this stuff:)

[aceguitarslingr]

Don't take it personally. A lot of the people around here are used to trolls posting threads similar to this (only usually a bit ruder and more anti-Mac) and trying to get people angry, so they immediately have a hostile reaction when they see it.

Some people around here are being overly rude.

And believe me, your experience is rather uncommon. These new first-gen Intel MacBook Pros have had a lot of problems- previous PowerBooks were usually quite reliable, and MacBooks and Apple's desktops are incredibly sturdy,

I DO NOT EVEN KNOW WHAT A TROLL IS!! Hahahahaha this is hilarious. Read my posts, guys. Come on now, I'm being totally reasonable and nice.

About this post quoted above. you're definitely right. And I understand that there are many ENtourage users looking for the same functionality I need (see I did put some time in trying to stick with my Mac), and I shall consider Mac again - no doubt. But I need a new computer immediately. And it has to last, so not for a while. Good to see some of you are keeping your hats on...

[Macmaniac]

Troll!
I think we as a community need to calm down a bit.
Frankly people are going to have problems with their Macs, and some may choose that Macs are not right for them. Thats life as a consumer, sometimes people are not as patient as we would hope but oh well, life goes on.

[aceguitarslingr]

You've gone through how many iPods? Something doesn't smell right here.

Hmmm. Let's see. Like I said, five or six, two of which were paid for. First one had to be sent in twice (= 3) and I cannot remember if the last time the second one was replaced was the first or second (= 5/6)

Check your nose...

[Diatribe]

Interesting question:
What happens if the next Win machine arrives with some kind of a defect? There is a 10 - 15% chance (my estimate) that it will.
Are you going to write off each manufacturer in turn, if they blow their one and only chance to deliver a perfect product?

The thread is a cutting off my nose to spite my face one - "I really, really wanted a Mac and now that Apple has mistreated me, I will punish myself by never getting a Mac in noble protest to their misdeed". The thread is not asking for help, it's a F-U-All-on -the-way-out-the-door to the Mac users on the board, the only reason for posting it is to get either sympathy or an argument. It got the predictable response.

Great post. Exactly what I was going to say, you get what you ask for. ;)

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

I think we as a community need to calm down a bit. I'm fairly calm...
Frankly people are going to have problems with their Macs, and some may choose that Macs are not right for them. Thats life as a consumer, sometimes people are not as patient as we would hope but oh well, life goes on.If you come to a Mac centric site and explaining that you've received one Mac that might or might not have had issues and that you just cannot be bothered to learn even basic functions, and then concluded that all Macs are sh...pooh, without even trying to get help with/advice for your problems, then you're either fairly stupid or looking for trouble. I never assume someone's stupid, so I call troll...

[Sutekidane]

Raise your hand if you care!
<looks around>

[GFLPraxis]

I DO NOT EVEN KNOW WHAT A TROLL IS!!

Trolls are people who deliberately post stuff to get people angry.
A lot of them show up here, so people are usually on their guard when they see thread titles like "Switching BACK!!".


Hahahahaha this is hilarious. Read my posts, guys. Come on now, I'm being totally reasonable and nice.

I know, I'm sorry about the people who were rude :)


About this post quoted above. you're definitely right. And I understand that there are many ENtourage users looking for the same functionality I need (see I did put some time in trying to stick with my Mac), and I shall consider Mac again - no doubt. But I need a new computer immediately. And it has to last, so not for a while. Good to see some of you are keeping your hats on...

Well, I hope your next Mac doesn't have any hardware defects. I'm sorry you're going to be missing out. My mother's PowerBook works perfectly, we've had a great experience with it, as with my old Pismo- I'm saving for an iMac now :)


I want to point out though, about Apple's "well documented" problems. Apple's ratio of defective products is not much more than other companies. In fact, Sony is famous for defective hardware- but sometimes people just happen to get a good system, such as my VAIO or your VAIO. Then again, I've talked to dozens of people who purchased Sony hardware and had it break down.

Things just happen. The difference is that Apple has a bigger fan following and community so such defects are more heard of.

[Macmaniac]

I'm fairly calm...
If you come to a Mac centric site and explaining that you've received one Mac that might or might not have had issues and that you just cannot be bothered to learn even basic functions, and then concluded that all Macs are sh...pooh, without even trying to get help with/advice for your problems, then you're either fairly stupid or looking for trouble. I never assume someone's stupid, so I call troll...
Nothing wrong with posting about a poor experience, some people are impatient. I work in retail people expect things to work right away or they give up, its completely normal behavior. You may question the OP's motives, but from what I have read he does not appear to be trolling.

[GFLPraxis]

Raise your hand if you care!
<looks around>

Not. Helping.

Nothing wrong with posting about a poor experience, some people are impatient. I work in retail people expect things to work right away or they give up, its completely normal behavior. You may question the OP's motives, but from what I have read he does not appear to be trolling.

Agreed.

[njmac]

Hmmm. Let's see. Like I said, five or six, two of which were paid for. First one had to be sent in twice (= 3) and I cannot remember if the last time the second one was replaced was the first or second (= 5/6)

Check your nose...

WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE? Honest question.

[Macmaniac]

WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE? Honest question.
Maybe he wants to explain problems he has with other Apple products he has owned. This is a forum designed to help people who are having problems with stuff they own.....

Just because his 'Pods break does not make him a troll...

[njmac]

Maybe he wants to explain problems he has with other Apple products he has owned. This is a forum designed to help people who are having problems with stuff they own.....

Just because his 'Pods break does not make him a troll...

I guess so, but he has 12 posts. 6 of them are in this thread. If he needs help, he should feel free to come back. To start a thread with Switching Back!!!! list his problems THAT HE NEVER asked for help about. I could see if he wanted help with his issues, but he doesn't own a mac anymore. Did he really think with 6 posts up his sleeves we would miss him?????

[aceguitarslingr]

I'm fairly calm...
If you come to a Mac centric site and explaining that you've received one Mac that might or might not have had issues and that you just cannot be bothered to learn even basic functions, and then concluded that all Macs are sh...pooh, without even trying to get help with/advice for your problems, then you're either fairly stupid or looking for trouble. I never assume someone's stupid, so I call troll...


Now. No need to turn this into a questioning of the OP's motive. Mitthrawnuuodo - Demi-G-d no less for what it's worth - if you read my posts, not only will you find me entirely reasoned and full of praise for that which is praiseworthy - again, until you came on here I had no idea what a troll is, and it is certainly a funny concept - remarkable people should devote time to and get pleasure from this... but honestly, act your status.

What on earth do you mean 'might or might not have had issues' do not insult my intelligence. Neither did I forgoe to learn basic functions. Remember how easy OSX is? Right. What I did however miss - and most of you berating me are missing the point, is a (easy?) way to compose a document with 'internal' hyperlinks (i.e. a heading clickable to a bookmark further down - or 'Back to Top') as / or pasted as - the body of an e-mail.

To all of you who are being reasonable and nice, thanks.

Again, if you read my posts back, you will find nothing unreasonable or ill willed in them.

[aceguitarslingr]

WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE? Honest question.


you know what, dude? Now that the nice people on here - who hear reason - have explained what a troll is, you might just make me want to try it out. As far as you're concerned, that is why I am still here.

There, I've cracked. Such good intentions. So much praise (read my first ever post...) and nothing unreasonable, but come on, read this guys posts. WTF is his beef?

Again, for those that hear past dogma. Read my posts. I make many praising statements, explain thing that are wrong (many), and nowhere do I exhibit anything unreasonable (except this post and you can hardly blame me)

So, njmac, why are YOU still here?

[bluebomberman]

Geez, if Apple Mail sucks so much, just use something else. Like Thunderbird (http://www.mozilla.com/products/download.html?product=thunderbird-1.5.0.4&os=osx&lang=en-US). Or Entourage (http://www.microsoft.com/mac/products/entourage2004/entourage2004.aspx?pid=entourage2004). Or Eudora (http://www.eudora.com/). Or check this thread (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=200169) (the first couple of posts, anyway) for more email programs for OS X. Or use a web email client.

It's not like we all pray to the Gods of Kobol...er, Apple every night. I use Firefox instead of Safari. Just because I hate Safari for the most part doesn't mean I'm going to throw my Mac into the ocean and buy a Dell ASAP.

Besides, any switcher from one platform to the next needs to budget at least a day or three to learn the ropes. It took me two to three days to relearn what I had learned from using PCs for a dozen years.

[SteveRichardson]

I don't get it.

Why does this thread exist? What point is it making?

[njmac]

Ok. I'm sorry you had a bad experience with a mac. If you ever get a mac again or need help with your iPod, we are here for you.

I'm sure if you google, you may be able to find a windows based forum if you should need it. I'm sorry, I don't know of one off the top of my head.


Good luck with your new computer.

[andiwm2003]

................................................ What I did however miss - and most of you berating me are missing the point, is a (easy?) way to compose a document with 'internal' hyperlinks (i.e. a heading clickable to a bookmark further down - or 'Back to Top') as / or pasted as - the body of an e-mail.
..................................

interesting feature. what program can do that? i'm on outlook 2003 at work. does it work there and how do i do it?

sorry that your mac had problems. apple's quality is unfortunately in no way better (or worse) than any other manufacturer. maybe you try again later with a revision b or c product.

[aceguitarslingr]

Ok. I'm sorry you had a bad experience with a mac. If you ever get a mac again or need help with your iPod, we are here for you.

I'm sure if you google, you may be able to find a windows based forum if you should need it. I'm sorry, I don't know of one off the top of my head.


Good luck with your new computer.

If this is genuine, once again I am impressed with the character of the people on here...

[njmac]

I honestly want to know what you expected of this thread?

I AM NOT trolling you, and not trying to be argumentative. I edited this post because I don't want to put words in your mouth but I am just curious.


And yes, its genuine. If you ever buy a mac again, or need help PLEASE come back and post. If you like the people here, then join in the community discussion. Everyone is welcome there... even PC users ;-)

You may have never heard of a troll before, and you are probably not trolling. The fact is they post negative things just to get attention and have nothing to gain by doing it (except attention). That's why sometimes motives are questioned.

[aceguitarslingr]

interesting feature. what program can do that? i'm on outlook 2003 at work. does it work there and how do i do it?

sorry that your mac had problems. apple's quality is unfortunately in no way better (or worse) than any other manufacturer. maybe you try again later with a revision b or c product.

Outlook uses Word to compose mail - compose you document in word, and paste it into outlook. All formatting will work.

I will definitely look into a mac again in a while.

And I understand why some of you are upset. Perhaps I chose the wrong title / forum. Not sure what the convention is. I am not asking a question, that is correct, and may be why you question my motives. I am sharing my experience, and I was neither expecting sympathy nor flak, but a couple of comments, perhaps constructive (as some have been). So sorry if some of you are upset at the title / post!

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

Now. No need to turn this into a questioning of the OP's motive. Mitthrawnuuodo - Demi-G-d no less for what it's worth - if you read my posts, not only will you find me entirely reasoned and full of praise for that which is praiseworthy - again, until you came on here I had no idea what a troll is, and it is certainly a funny concept - remarkable people should devote time to and get pleasure from this... but honestly, act your status. [...]
Again, if you read my posts back, you will find nothing unreasonable or ill willed in them.My "status", which you seem a bit preoccupied with, has nothing to do with this. And yes, I find this, from your OP, fairly unreasonable:
Software wise, whilst it is the most beautiful operating system ever, it cannot do one mission critical thing

What on earth do you mean 'might or might not have had issues' do not insult my intelligence. I never insulted your intelligence. I did, however, question your credibility. That has to do with what I mention above: You never asked for help, just came on with a long rant about how terrible, though beautiful, Macs are.

Neither did I forgoe to learn basic functions. Remember how easy OSX is? Right. What I did however miss - and most of you berating me are missing the point, is a (easy?) way to compose a document with 'internal' hyperlinks (i.e. a heading clickable to a bookmark further down - or 'Back to Top') as / or pasted as - the body of an e-mail.What...? :confused:

[aristobrat]

The MacBook Pro's LCD buzz, processor whine, and heat have been [blogged about, forum posted, mentioned in numerous online and print reviews] to such a degree that I can't figure out how someone as computer saavy as your post makes you sound wouldn't be *dead embarassed* to come in here NOW and complain about.

Did you honestly think that your MBP would be the magical one that Apple made that didn't have those issues? :eek: :rolleyes:

There's no excuse for the physical problems that your MBP had, but from reading around here and other places, that's hardly normal. Just like how your precious Sony VIAO arrived to you in perfect condition, the vast majority of MBPs arrive in perfect physical condition to their lucky owners.

[celebrian23]

I've never seen peoole act like such ignorant jerks before. Someone goes back to PCs and now you're going to act horrible towards them? He has only been extremely respectful, and here tons of people are acting like idiots. I care about his problems. I think it's important information for any switcher to know. He shouldn't HAVE to fix these problems, they shouldn't be there in the first place. Some of you should grow up and start acting like adults instead of 13 year olds. Do you think everyone researches their purchase to the point of obsession over a forum? NO. You are a small minority. I'm ashamed of all of you.

[aristobrat]

I am sharing my experience, and I was neither expecting sympathy nor flak, but a couple of comments, perhaps constructive (as some have been).
For future experiences that you want to share, you might want to drop the passive/agressive op-ed part.

[MovieCutter]

What a waste of bandwidth...

"I don't like my computer, I sent it back...just thought you all should know"

Find something better to do with your time...

I've never seen peoole act like such ignorant jerks before. Someone goes back to PCs and now you're going to act horrible towards them? He has only been extremely respectful, and here tons of people are acting like idiots. I care about his problems. I think it's important information for any switcher to know. He shouldn't HAVE to fix these problems, they shouldn't be there in the first place. Some of you should grow up and start acting like adults instead of 13 year olds. Do you think everyone researches their purchase to the point of obsession over a forum? NO. You are a small minority. I'm ashamed of all of you.

Sorry mom...

[aceguitarslingr]

My "status", which you seem a bit preoccupied with, has nothing to do with this. And yes, I find this, from your OP, fairly unreasonable:


I never insulted your intelligence. I did, however, question your credibility. That has to do with what I mention above: You never asked for help, just came on with a long rant about how terrible, though beautiful, Macs are.

What...? :confused:

Don't question my credibility.

Frankly, if you still do not understand what the issue with the hyperlinks is - and I would have been happy to somehow deal with this and keep my mac, if it weren't for the littany of other problems - then I cannot help you.

Nor was I ranting. Having said that, I find it hard to believe that it is anything but dogma on your part that you can't hack what my OP says.

A lot of other people have been normal about it. And I accept - it is NOT a question, nor does it have a good title. But it is 'bying discussion'.

[aristobrat]

Do you think everyone researches their purchase to the point of obsession over a forum? NO. You are a small minority. I'm ashamed of all of you.
OMG, you're joking, right?

Do you honestly run out and drop $2000 on a machine before you research it?

Take a look at the Apple support forums, or other Apple forums that are more techy than MacRumors. It doesn't require more than looking at the first page of threads to see the MacBook Pro issues. HARDLY obsessive.

[aceguitarslingr]

I've never seen peoole act like such ignorant jerks before. Someone goes back to PCs and now you're going to act horrible towards them? He has only been extremely respectful, and here tons of people are acting like idiots. I care about his problems. I think it's important information for any switcher to know. He shouldn't HAVE to fix these problems, they shouldn't be there in the first place. Some of you should grow up and start acting like adults instead of 13 year olds. Do you think everyone researches their purchase to the point of obsession over a forum? NO. You are a small minority. I'm ashamed of all of you.

Thnx. This happens everywhere. It's only human (I work in diplomacy...)

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

Do you think everyone researches their purchase to the point of obsession over a forum? But still s/he found the way into this forum to complaint afterwords. Not to ask for help or even sympathy, mind you, both of which s/he would have gotten an abundance of, but just to say: Based on my experience with this one Mac for a very limited time, Macs suck! Ok, they are beautiful, but I'm going back to the PC world because I cannot get it to do whatever I want on my first (unaided) try.

[aristobrat]

But still s/he found the way into this forum to complaint afterwords. Not to ask for help or even sympathy, mind you, both of which s/he would have gotten an abundance of, but just to say: Based on my experience with this one Mac for a very limited time, Macs suck! Ok, they are beautiful, but I'm going back to the PC world.
I agree totally with your paraphrasing of the OP, which coming from someone who works in diplomacy, stricks me as hardly diplomatic.

[Tanglewood]

What...? :confused:

I think he wants PDF table of contents functions (with links) in his email program.

The OPs claim that Apple is notorious for hardware issues. I have a iMac G3 from 2001 and it is running strong with not even the slightest hiccup.

[annk]

Ohhhhh, I see, now you're starting to show your true colours. So much bitterness from such a friendly crowd. Come on now. I am being perfectly reasonable...


You've come to a Mac forum after owning your Mac for about 5 minutes, to tell us you are sending it back. True colors?? What on earth were you expecting? :confused:

[Sutekidane]

I'm surprised this thread hasn't been locked by now. Mods?
Anyway, it's nice to know your experience I suppose but as you can see, many people here are not interested in hearing about it. Can you blame them?

[manic]

Dont listen to this joker. He claims hes so busy he must be the CEO of some corporation before a public offering. Dude, if youre so out of time, how come you keep finding it to come troll on this forum?

I dont even own a mac yet, but i find you to be such a loser. you desguised your fanboy rants as unbiased report but are nothing more than a troll seeking for attention. get lost

[4God]

...<snip>....Have a nice iLife!!!;)

Right back atcha.....;)

[Blue Velvet]

Storm in a teacup. Let them go back to Windows... it matters not.

The sweeping and misinformed generalisations about Apple hardware we've all heard before. The inability to resolve a small technical problem with software as the basis for returning a machine says more about the OP than it does about Macs.

[dpaanlka]

Why didn't you take your broken keyboard into AppleCare. You know, there is a one year warranty.

Also, you obviously must not have tried very hard to learn anything, I cannot believe somebody is returning a computer because they cant figure out how to insert a hyperlink into an email.

You know, simply copy + pasting only copies the text. Besides, once you SEND the email via Entourage, it automatically makes it a hyperlink anyway, it just doesn't do it in real time while you are composing the email.

Stupidest thread I've ever seen.

[Tanglewood]

apple's quality is unfortunately in no way better (or worse) than any other manufacturer. maybe you try again later with a revision b or c product.

I agree

[4God]

Newbie with posts like this? Go figure....
I usually don't post these kind of comments,
but I guess even trolls can try to disguise themselves.

[aceguitarslingr]

I'm surprised this thread hasn't been locked by now. Mods?
Anyway, it's nice to know your experience I suppose but as you can see, many people here are not interested in hearing about it. Can you blame them?

I can blame them for twisiting my words. I was very broad in my postives and concise in my - utterly no brainer reasonable - negatives.

Let me ask you though, if a lot of them are not interested - and I of course do not blame them for this, why are they posting such bitter invective?

I'll just take it that my post has attracted the 'candidates'. I was, again, offering reasoned, balanced, truthful bying discussion.

SOmebody tell me how to lock this thread and delete my account - and I shall make you all (in this thread anyway - my continued respect to the way you talk to each other generally) very happy.



BTW, dpaanlka - get wise. Read the previous posts.
4G-d - same as...

Cool, learnt what a troll is, and am about to find out how to commit cyber suicide, in one day!! hahahaha

Sorry, had to add this, it's just hilarious: from manic:

I dont even own a mac yet, but i find you to be such a loser. you desguised your fanboy rants as unbiased report but are nothing more than a troll seeking for attention. get lost

WTF?????? I may be a loser - nothing to do with macs though - but fanboy rants??? HAHAHAHAHAHA Yes, and you did read the OP? I believe you are what they call 'more mac than the macsters' I suggest you get a life before you get a Mac. Nice One...

[4God]

Sshhhhh.......I think I hear the Mods coming........

[dpaanlka]

The OPs claim that Apple is notorious for hardware issues. I have a iMac G3 from 2001 and it is running strong with not even the slightest hiccup.

To the original poster: After owning over 75 macs in the last 6 years, I've only had one die, and it was very old to begin with. In modern terms, two PowerBook G4s, one MacBook Pro, one G4 AGP tower, five iMac G3s, a Blue & White G3 tower, a PowerBook G3 all continue to serve flawlessly. Every manufacturer will send out defective units now and then, and its a simple matter of going back to the store to get AppleCare.

[GFLPraxis]

I've never seen peoole act like such ignorant jerks before. Someone goes back to PCs and now you're going to act horrible towards them? He has only been extremely respectful, and here tons of people are acting like idiots. I care about his problems. I think it's important information for any switcher to know. He shouldn't HAVE to fix these problems, they shouldn't be there in the first place. Some of you should grow up and start acting like adults instead of 13 year olds. Do you think everyone researches their purchase to the point of obsession over a forum? NO. You are a small minority. I'm ashamed of all of you.

Thank you.

[Blue Velvet]

Beautifully designed shoddy hardware.

Yes, so balanced.

[dpaanlka]

I was, again, offering reasoned, balanced, truthful bying discussion.

Sending back what you described as "the most beautiful computer ever" becase you couldn't figure out how to use one feature of a third party software title is as far from reasonable as you can possibly get.

[celebrian23]

OMG, you're joking, right?

Do you honestly run out and drop $2000 on a machine before you research it?

Take a look at the Apple support forums, or other Apple forums that are more techy than MacRumors. It doesn't require more than looking at the first page of threads to see the MacBook Pro issues. HARDLY obsessive.

I didn't say not research, but if you drop 2 grand on a computer, you shouldn't have to go to an online forum. This is for the people who want to know every detail of their computer. Most people research a ton, but not to the point of many of you. Maybe you should try opening your eyes to someone else's way of thinking.

[4God]

I've never seen peoole act like such ignorant jerks before. Someone goes back to PCs and now you're going to act horrible towards them? He has only been extremely respectful, and here tons of people are acting like idiots. I care about his problems. I think it's important information for any switcher to know. He shouldn't HAVE to fix these problems, they shouldn't be there in the first place. Some of you should grow up and start acting like adults instead of 13 year olds. Do you think everyone researches their purchase to the point of obsession over a forum? NO. You are a small minority. I'm ashamed of all of you.


I'll say a prayer for you. ;)

[dpaanlka]

I didn't say not research, but if you drop 2 grand on a computer, you shouldn't have to go to an online forum. This is for the people who want to know every detail of their computer. Most people research a ton, but not to the point of many of you. Maybe you should try opening your eyes to someone else's way of thinking.

But your issues aren't even the "common" ones like mooing. You have a broken key on your keyboard, big freakin whoop. Take it to AppleCare? NO! RETURN IT!!!!

Purely reactionary and clearly not very well thought out.

In fact, I don't even believe your entire story now. It's so ridiculolus.

[4God]

I didn't say not research, but if you drop 2 grand on a computer, you shouldn't have to go to an online forum.


Right, that's what applecare and apple stores are for....:rolleyes:

Maybe you should try opening your eyes to someone else's way of thinking.

And so should you...:)

[Macmaniac]

Dont listen to this joker. He claims hes so busy he must be the CEO of some corporation before a public offering. Dude, if youre so out of time, how come you keep finding it to come troll on this forum?

I dont even own a mac yet, but i find you to be such a loser. you desguised your fanboy rants as unbiased report but are nothing more than a troll seeking for attention. get lost
Wow, the attitudes of some posters towards the OP have been shall I say it disheartening...
I though the flame war was over, but some people seem to insist on stirring the pot.

Come on folks MR is better then this.

[Tanglewood]

SOmebody tell me how ... delete my account
There is a little button towards the top right of the page called 'log out'. Do you really need to go to that extreme.

Maybe the site (http://www.wininsider.com/news/?1465) will interest you more.

Every take a deep breath...and relax. Its almost the weekend for petesake!

[4God]

...<snip>...I though the flame war was over, but some people seem to insist on stirring the pot.

Come on folks MR is better then this.


My bad, you're right. I'm done here. :)