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actripxl

Mar 5, 2003, 09:09 PM

Get a GC, I have an Xbox aswell and right now you can't go wrong with a GC. Definitely get Metroid Prime, RE and RE 0 are great if your into survival horror. Zelda should kick butt, and if you pre order it you get copies of the two 64 versions. As for the amount of games, just look at the situation with PC and Mac's, who cares about the amount of software if most of it is crap, so don't belive the hype about the ps2 I didn't that's why I skipped over it and got an xbox instead.

andrewlandry

Mar 5, 2003, 09:49 PM

i have a gamecube and an x-box. since getting the gamecube, i sold almost all of my gamecube games (except for Super Monkey Ball II).

The selling point on the x-box aside from graphics was the HD and being able to play the best looking version on Tony Hawk 4 while listining to my own songs from the HD. Also, the S-Controller that the x-box now comes with is quite good in my opinion.

What really made me mad at the GameCube was when I bought Mortal Kombat. It requires you to use the d-pad the whole time. I don't know if you've seen how small the d-pad is on a GameCube controller, but it really hurt my fingers and was difficult to control. Same goes for Tony Hawk although they give you the option of using to analog stick to control. I did that until I got the x-box version of the game and it was a lot harder that way.

Also, I like playing NBA2k3 on x-box live. Very fun - and now Capcom vs. SNK is on x-box live.

I bought the GameCube first, because I really like Nintendo and their philosophy. Unfortunately, their unique controller doesn't work well on many cross-platform games and the only quality exclusives are being made by Nintendo. That said, I'm looking forward to Zelda.

Actually though, you might be better off getting a Gamecube if that's what your friends have - because you can share games.

Hmmm, if you are really against getting an x-box, you might get a PS2. Because all cross-platform games are designed around the PS2 controller and optimized more carefully for PS2 hardware. That's why some gamecube games I had (Tony Hawk, TimeSplitters 2) had framerate and/or stutter problems that were absent in the PS2 versions.

I don't know if this helps at all. Like I said, it's really a tough choice. And as much as I hate to say it, I would probably say to avoid the GameCube.

MacAztec

Mar 5, 2003, 10:05 PM

GamCube- Nice system, not THAT many games. Looks cool, plays good.

PS2- LOTS and LOTS of games. The graphics arent that great, and it isnt that well designed, but there are lots of games.

xBox- Not that many games, but whatever game it has is GOOD. GREAT GRAPHICS. Has a hardrive for music storage. ONLINE GAMING! Looks nice, plays great.

I think you should go with the xBox. Dont even gimme the crap about supporting microsoft. This console is badass, I own one. I have Ghost Recon, Moto GP, and Mech Assault. All 3 games are online compatible, and kick ass. I love playing ghost recon with 12 other people...no lag, and talking to them with strategies.

Oh, and our xBox does hook up to the HDTV, and it looks friggin amazing. Dolby 5.1 sound, I can hear people coming up behind me in Moto GP and stuff!

My order...

xBox- 9.5
PS2- 8
Gamecube- 7.5

howard

Mar 5, 2003, 10:35 PM

gamecube rocks...love the controls and the graphics. plus it has super monkey ball 2.

andrewlandry

Mar 5, 2003, 10:40 PM

right on. x-box really is awesome.

i guess i was shy to say it because everyone here is so anti-MS, but it has the coolest features and all of the cross platform games look best on x-box. Mech Assault is good and I'm really looking forward to MidTown Madness and Halo 2, both of which will be x-box live enabled. If anyone wants to add me to thier buddy list, my gamertag is andrewlandry. My favorite thing to play is NCAA2K3, although I also have Mech Assault and will probably get Capcom vs. SNK soon.

But I have to admit that Super Monkey Ball 2 is great :) The mini-games are the best. I visited my 13 year old sister for a week over x-mas and we logged over 27 hours on the story mode in a week. That doesn't include the hours we wasted playing the mini-games. My girlfriend wouldn't let me sell the GameCube because Monkey Pool is the only game she likes to play. :)

Rower_CPU

Mar 5, 2003, 10:54 PM

The next Zelda game will be on its way soon to the GC...if you care about that...:)

sparkleytone

Mar 6, 2003, 09:21 AM

why?

lets see, I work at EB Games with three really hardcore gamers. They all own all three systems. Their favorite?? All say GameCube so far this year. Its got a few games that are just amazing.

Personally, I am a Nintendo fanboi. Always have been, always will be. That being said, I had been out of gaming for a while. I bought the GameCube the day it came out, but it was essentially relegated to being my g/f's toy. Then she bought me Metroid Prime two weeks ago for my birthday. Wow. Wow. Wow. It makes me have that itch to game again. Now I am playing through that and the Ocarina Master Quest. When Zelda Wind Waker comes out in three weeks, I will get the first copy.

Mario is really good, just not earth shattering.

The Monkey Ball games are unparalleled in multiplayer madness.

Eternal Darkness is one of the freshest, most immersive games I have ever played.

If you like the Resident Evil series, the Gamecube is for you.

All the sports titles are inexpensive.

The load time is almost NONE. Even in games such as Metroid.

pyrotoaster

Mar 6, 2003, 10:13 AM

Get a Gamecube!

The graphics are great, the games are great, the controller (while it might initially feel akward) is great. My personal choice is to sacrafice the rumble feature and use a Wavebird wireless controller with my Cube. It's lightweight and comfortable, although it tends to eat batteries.

Also, the Cube has the connect feature with Gameboy Advance, which I use frequently in Animal Crossing (great game, playing it is like relaxing therapy), and it has Metriod Prime (also, great game) compatability, too (you need Metriod Fusion).

Gamecube has some great games coming, and it has online gaming capabilities, although I only know one game that uses it. I know I'm going to have a great time playing Zelda: Windwaker later this month, and I can't wait for Harvest Moon: It's a Wonderful Life to come out in September.

One last thing, the Cube is compact and cool (reminds me of a certain Apple design...), and if you have an extra $100 or $150, you can buy a small screen for taking the system just about anywhere.

MacBandit

Mar 6, 2003, 10:19 AM

Originally posted by andrewlandry
right on. x-box really is awesome.

i guess i was shy to say it because everyone here is so anti-MS, but it has the coolest features and all of the cross platform games look best on x-box.

Sure they do, go check out MGS2. Too much particle effect for the XBox engine. The PS2 emotion engine deals with it like a champ though.

On another note. I can't believe anyone would say the PS2 graphics aren't very good. I have played all the consoles and I have to say that the first couple rounds of games for the PS2 could have been better but that's not to say they don't have good graphics. The very latest games coming out for the PS2 are the only ones so far to fully take advantage of the PS2 programing language. YES, it's taken them 3 years to figure it all out. I have to say that the latest games will and do rival anything the XBox is capable of. It's all in the coding.

Jaykay

Mar 6, 2003, 10:32 AM

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
The next Zelda game will be on its way soon to the GC...if you care about that...:)

Excellent, Zelda games rock, but i saw some screenshots for this new version and it looks very childish (i refuse to believe the older ones were childish).

Originally posted by MacBandit
Sure they do, go check out MGS2. Too much particle effect for the XBox engine. The PS2 emotion engine deals with it like a champ though.

Yeah, there is a version of MGS 2 on its way to the xbox, its the full game plus a load of extras.

MacBandit

Mar 6, 2003, 10:34 AM

Originally posted by Jaykay
Excellent, Zelda games rock, but i saw some screenshots for this new version and it looks very childish (i refuse to believe the older ones were childish).

Yeah, there is a version of MGS 2 on its way to the xbox, its the full game plus a load of extras.

MGS2 is already available for the XBox and if you ever play it you will understand what I said. When are outside on the deck of the ship all the particle effects(rain) cause the system to drag really bad.

The new version of MGS2 with all the extras is already available and on the store shelves for the PS2.

If you want to play lots and lots of games get a PS2 you will never run out of great games.

Rower_CPU

Mar 6, 2003, 10:36 AM

Originally posted by Jaykay
Excellent, Zelda games rock, but i saw some screenshots for this new version and it looks very childish (i refuse to believe the older ones were childish).

Yeah, they're going with the trendy cell shading look for this one...so it does seem more cartoon like.

Link still seems to be about the same age as in Majora's Mask, etc.

job

Mar 6, 2003, 12:49 PM

Originally posted by sparkleytone
Eternal Darkness is one of the freshest, most immersive games I have ever played.

what's it about? i've never heard of it.

i'd also like to pick up a good rpg. i've heard lots about the zelda line of games, but since i'm a console n00bie, i don't really know much about the franchise.

if i do pick up a GC, i can get metroid for free and i'll spend a little extra to pick up another game. anyone know a good fps/rpg for 2 or more players (my brother will want to play too.)

i'm considering red faction2 or medal of honor for multiplayer action.

sparkleytone

Mar 6, 2003, 12:52 PM

http://cube.ign.com/articles/363/363071p1.html

Kid Red

Mar 6, 2003, 01:27 PM

Playstation! All The Way!

Biggest feature for me was backward compatibility with PS1. Who company on the face of the earth guarantees new systems play your old games!!? Nintendo? haha, Sega? ahaha X-Box? (does'nt have any old or new games for that matter) ahaha

I'm also fairly comfortable feeling that when P3 comes out ALL your games you buy now will play on it. Then there's the HUNDREDS of games and a lot of exclusive games. The controller is the best of the bunch too. The X-Box, well it's designed by M$ so no wonder) and I've always hated the feel of nintendo's. I disagree that the graphics or gameplay lacks, whatever, I have no issues with Navy Seals, Grand Theft Auto, Solid metal Gear2, Spiderman among others.

Put it this way, go to BolckBuster and look at your rental choices. The PS2 has like 3 isles, X-Box is the small wall in the bathroom and then the GC. It's a no brainer for me.

Aslo, not sure about X-Box and GC, but the PS2 has a component out adapter and Digital Optical Sound out so I play it on my HDTV with digital surround sound. Very sweet with Grand Theft Auto Vice City's hot sound tracks.

agreenster

Mar 6, 2003, 01:53 PM

One minute of gameplay, and your negativity about the cell shading will completely dissapate. (playable at most video game dealers)

I cant hardly wait. I am also working through the mater quest.

#1 Zelda fan here as well. I play through Zelda I about once a year, both quests just for the nostalgia and fun of it.

I only bought the GC for zelda, but picked up Simspon's Road Rage because its funny and is a good time killer.

Jaykay

Mar 6, 2003, 04:53 PM

Originally posted by MacBandit
MGS2 is already available for the XBox and if you ever play it you will understand what I said. When are outside on the deck of the ship all the particle effects(rain) cause the system to drag really bad.

The new version of MGS2 with all the extras is already available and on the store shelves for the PS2.

Now thats a great comeback if ever i heard one....:eek:

bousozoku

Mar 6, 2003, 09:08 PM

GameCube.

I bought one about 3 weeks ago. I got Metroid Prime free with it. I also bought the Sonic Mega Collection and Defender. They're all so well done. It's quality that you don't see on the other boxes.

Maybe the PS3 will be great but it's going to be late. I would not buy an Xbox simply because its future is so unstable.

Jaykay

Mar 7, 2003, 04:25 AM

Originally posted by hitman
i'd also like to pick up a good rpg. i've heard lots about the zelda line of games, but since i'm a console n00bie, i don't really know much about the franchise.

The Zelda games were excellent. Ocaina of Time and Majora's Mask on the N64 were some of the best games of their time (Not to mention Links Awakening among a load of others). Im not so sure about this new one though, looks fishy but then again it is Zelda.

(in case you didnt know, i like zelda games. :))

MacBandit

Mar 7, 2003, 09:54 AM

Originally posted by bousozoku
I would not buy an Xbox simply because it's future is so unstable.

I agree how can they continue to promote a product that they lose money on every sale.

job

Mar 7, 2003, 11:42 AM

Originally posted by Kid Red
Put it this way, go to BolckBuster and look at your rental choices. The PS2 has like 3 isles, X-Box is the small wall in the bathroom and then the GC. It's a no brainer for me.

But is it really all about quantity?

You've got Metroid and Rogue Squadron, et al on the GC.

From what I've seen on the GC it's more about quality than quantity.

The PS2 may have more games, but how many of them are you really going to play/going to buy?

Does anyone know any good MP shooters for the GC. It's a major point for my purchase. I'm also considering the online RPG developed by Sega since it has off-line MP as well.

I also heard that Splinter Cell was coming to the GC soon, along with the next installment of the Medal of Honor series.

Jaykay

Mar 8, 2003, 02:59 PM

Originally posted by hitman
I'm also considering the online RPG developed by Sega since it has off-line MP as well.

Are you talking about Phantasy Star Online 2 cos i didnt know that was coming to GC. (Had 1 on the DC, it rocked)

peterjhill

Mar 8, 2003, 04:58 PM

Nintendo definitely has the edge on the franchises. I love zelda and mario games. I would get a game cube but am not sure my wife would approve. She calls my Tibook, my mistress or my other wife.

The X-Box is very nice, 5.1 is great, Halo is freakin awesome.

andrewlandry

Mar 8, 2003, 06:25 PM

yeah, i saw how sad Metal Gear Solid looked on the x-box - pretty sad.

there are cross-platform games that look worse on x-box because they don't spend enough time optimizing them for x-box hardware (because the market share is nothing compared to PS2), i just meant usually. :) My examples are Tony Hawk 4, Medal of Honor: Frontline, Sega Sports games - from my personal experience.

But you are right. It's not just how good the hardware is, but how much the developers put into the system's games.

As for uncertainty about x-box's future. It doesn't seem too uncertain to me. They are selling more units than Nintendo in the U.S., and this is their first console ever. They sold more x-box live subscriptions than Sony has sold network adapters. They are They've bought up a few good developers such as Rare. And this is considering that it's their first console attempt and it came out a full year after the PS2 was released. From the numbers I've read, they seem to be gaining momentum in many countries rather than fizzeling out as Nintendo appears to be doing in every country except Japan.

That said, any of the consoles will be fun. They all have enough good games to keep a normal person happy. I just didn't really buy the uncertain future thing as a reason to go one way or the other.

MacBandit

Mar 8, 2003, 06:29 PM

Originally posted by andrewlandry
As for uncertainty about x-box's future. It doesn't seem too uncertain to me. They are selling more units than Nintendo in the U.S., and this is their first console ever. They sold more x-box live subscriptions than Sony has sold network adapters. They are They've bought up a few good developers such as Rare. And this is considering that it's their first console attempt and it came out a full year after the PS2 was released. From the numbers I've read, they seem to be gaining momentum in many countries rather than fizzeling out as Nintendo appears to be doing in every country except Japan.

That said, any of the consoles will be fun. They all have enough good games to keep a normal person happy. I just didn't really buy the uncertain future thing as a reason to go one way or the other.

As for the Sony network adaptor comparrison it's purely Sony's fault for being behind. They totally misjudged the demand and haven't produced enough of them.

The question about the X-Box is two fold. Firstly every X-Box sold is a loss of like $50 for Microsoft. They cost more to make then people are willing to pay for them. Second the only place in the world that the X-Box out sells anything is in the US. Everywhere else in the world they can't give them away.

Jaykay

Mar 8, 2003, 07:09 PM

Originally posted by MacBandit
As for the Sony network adaptor comparrison it's purely Sony's fault for being behind. They totally misjudged the demand and haven't produced enough of them.

The question about the X-Box is two fold. Firstly every X-Box sold is a loss of like $50 for Microsoft. They cost more to make then people are willing to pay for them. Second the only place in the world that the X-Box out sells anything is in the US. Everywhere else in the world they can't give them away.

Hey, i live in Irealnd and i wish they were giving them away here..... From what i can see they are'nt doing that well over here, few have XBoxes, nearly everyone has a PS2 and nobody has a GC.

job

Mar 8, 2003, 07:22 PM

Originally posted by Jaykay
Are you talking about Phantasy Star Online 2 cos i didnt know that was coming to GC. (Had 1 on the DC, it rocked)

Yep, that's the one.

The GC version comes with the first one and the sequel.

I've read some fairly good reviews and watched some in game movies.

One of the better games out for the GC right now.

MacBandit

Mar 8, 2003, 07:22 PM

Originally posted by Jaykay
Hey, i live in Irealnd and i wish they were giving them away here..... From what i can see they are'nt doing that well over here, few have XBoxes, nearly everyone has a PS2 and nobody has a GC.

From what people have posted that live in the UK the XBox went to $200 a quite a while before the PS2 did just to try to move them. Even that didn't work. That was back when every XBox made cost $400 to produce. From what I understand now the current price to build the XBox with there current facilities and volume parts and everything is around $250.

job

Mar 8, 2003, 07:23 PM

does the weaker hardware on the ps2 affect gameplay at all?

i looked at several comparison charts of raw power with the x-box and gc coming out on top.

but then as we mac users know....raw speed ain't everything. ;)

MacBandit

Mar 8, 2003, 07:40 PM

Originally posted by hitman
does the weaker hardware on the ps2 affect gameplay at all?

i looked at several comparison charts of raw power with the x-box and gc coming out on top.

but then as we mac users know....raw speed ain't everything. ;)

Once again in actual practice it truly isn't weaker if the developer takes advantage of everything and properly optimizes there code. The system is more efficient in utilizing what it has. If real world terms the difference is negligible in my oppinion. I have used XBoxs and PS2s and the only problems I have ever had with any game with either system was with MGS2 on the XBox. Other then that the PS2 and XBox seem farily well matched with the developers create good code for the PS2. You can't use any game produced befor this year as a proper comparrison between the XBox and PS2 as it has only been recently that developers are truly utilizing the emotion engine and the development software provided by Sony. I have never ever had a stutter or a slow down with my PS2 for any reason even when playing 4 player.

MacFan25

Mar 8, 2003, 07:58 PM

I have had my PS2 for a little over a year. I really like it.

As for the controllers, I think that the Gamecube controllers are all right, but I really like the PS2 controllers. I've never tried the Xbox controllers, though.

There seems to be a ton of games out for PS2.

MacBandit

Mar 8, 2003, 08:36 PM

Originally posted by MacFan25
I have had my PS2 for a little over a year. I really like it.

As for the controllers, I think that the Gamecube controllers are all right, but I really like the PS2 controllers. I've never tried the Xbox controllers, though.

There seems to be a ton of games out for PS2.

I stood in line the day the PS2 was released and have had no problems with mine and I use it every day for games and as my main system DVD player. I use it on end and I make sure to keep it clean of dust. The end of all these CD/DVD based game units is dust gets in them and destroys the laser guide.

dynamicd

Mar 9, 2003, 01:51 PM

I've had a ps2 since day 1 and I still love it. True, there quite a few bad games but it was the same for NES. There are still many great games that come out for it and theres always at least one or two titles each month that are worth buying. Also, I've used each system and the GC and xbox controllers can't compare to sony's.

Jaykay

Mar 10, 2003, 08:19 PM

Originally posted by MacBandit
Once again in actual practice it truly isn't weaker if the developer takes advantage of everything and properly optimizes there code. The system is more efficient in utilizing what it has. If real world terms the difference is negligible in my oppinion. I have used XBoxs and PS2s and the only problems I have ever had with any game with either system was with MGS2 on the XBox. Other then that the PS2 and XBox seem farily well matched with the developers create good code for the PS2. You can't use any game produced befor this year as a proper comparrison between the XBox and PS2 as it has only been recently that developers are truly utilizing the emotion engine and the development software provided by Sony. I have never ever had a stutter or a slow down with my PS2 for any reason even when playing 4 player.

Yeah, i agree, for instance take a look at something like destruction derby on the PS1 and compare it to FF9. It just goes to show that when developers get used to making games on a console, there only going to get better (visually anyways)

markjones05

Mar 10, 2003, 08:52 PM

Ive had a ps2 and an xbox and a game cube. My favorite is xbox i dont know why your against it! Its so awsome however i sold my game cube on ebay because it was definately my least favorite. Get the ps2 but if you were smart youd get xbox.

MacBandit

Mar 10, 2003, 10:14 PM

Originally posted by markjones05
Ive had a ps2 and an xbox and a game cube. My favorite is xbox i dont know why your against it! Its so awsome however i sold my game cube on ebay because it was definately my least favorite. Get the ps2 but if you were smart youd get xbox.

I'm just against a company that has the potential to totally screw you. Like I have said before they have yet to show a single cent of profit on the sale of XBox units.

Kid Red

Mar 10, 2003, 10:41 PM

Originally posted by hitman
But is it really all about quantity?

You've got Metroid and Rogue Squadron, et al on the GC.

From what I've seen on the GC it's more about quality than quantity.

The PS2 may have more games, but how many of them are you really going to play/going to buy?

Does anyone know any good MP shooters for the GC. It's a major point for my purchase. I'm also considering the online RPG developed by Sega since it has off-line MP as well.

I also heard that Splinter Cell was coming to the GC soon, along with the next installment of the Medal of Honor series.

A lot more the thew GC has in total. And who's to say it's quanity over quality? The PS has more hits then the GC or Xbox. Maybe it depends on the type games you like. I don't like little kiddie mario toy animal games so I guess that's why I'm not fond of the GC. I'm more the resident evil, silent hill, tombraider, SMG1 & 2, spiderman, grand theft auto, navy seals type of game player. Bouncing animals up and down shooting green gamma rays at other toy dragins just isn't my cup of tea. If I was more free with my spending cash I'd but more games. I have about 20 or so now. I'm so busy lately with work and parenting that I don't play that often. Of course, in April I'm getting the new tombraider release :)

MacAztec

Mar 10, 2003, 10:51 PM

You guys really need to get an xBox.

Play Live, thats what its all about. I played Ghost Recon earlier today, it was sweet.

I was telling my team to split up, with 2 guys on the way outside, i would stay back and snipe. At night i just slap on my night vision goggles and crawl. Graphics kick ass on this game. Guns are sweet too.

Unreal Championship is killer on xBox too. Its HDTV and Dolby Digital. This game looks AWESOME. Its fun to play live to. You can taunt people and whoop their ass.

Moto GP is great. Its a sweet racing game. Mech assault is cool, good for blasting stuff.

Lots of sports games on xBox. Maybe there aren't 15 versions of MLB or NBA games, but there are good ones.

PS2 has like "MLB 2003", "MLB 2003 GOLD!" "MLB 2003 All-Starts" "MLB 2003 Sluggers"

Im like wtf, thats pretty stupid. xBox has just straight up good games. Good graphics too.

MacBandit

Mar 11, 2003, 01:33 AM

Originally posted by MacAztec
You guys really need to get an xBox.

Play Live, thats what its all about. I played Ghost Recon earlier today, it was sweet.

I was telling my team to split up, with 2 guys on the way outside, i would stay back and snipe. At night i just slap on my night vision goggles and crawl. Graphics kick ass on this game. Guns are sweet too.

Unreal Championship is killer on xBox too. Its HDTV and Dolby Digital. This game looks AWESOME. Its fun to play live to. You can taunt people and whoop their ass.

Moto GP is great. Its a sweet racing game. Mech assault is cool, good for blasting stuff.

Lots of sports games on xBox. Maybe there aren't 15 versions of MLB or NBA games, but there are good ones.

PS2 has like "MLB 2003", "MLB 2003 GOLD!" "MLB 2003 All-Starts" "MLB 2003 Sluggers"

Im like wtf, thats pretty stupid. xBox has just straight up good games. Good graphics too.

I haven't explored the networking world with the PS2 yet though I know it's off to a slow start due to a lack of judgement about demand of the network adaptors on Sony's part.

I personally have a networkable gaming machine already. It's called my computer. Also Moto GP for the XBox is a port of the PS2 game. Oh, and there are about 4 good Mech games on the PS2. I happen to agree that it's not quantity over quality it's quality in quantity.

maka

Mar 11, 2003, 05:45 AM

I like Nintendo Games because they are usually very polished and detailed (both in graphics and gameplay). This is something that I haven't seen in lots of other console game companies. For example, I don't really care that M$ bought Rare. Fox Adventures was so hyped and the only good thing it has is the graphics, which are excelent, but that's it. No gameplay, linear story, it looks unfinished. And it's not the first time...

Nintendo also has some challenging original games like Pikmin, that you cannot find anywhere else, they just seem to really care about the games. Mario is the best platform game ever, Zelda the best adventure (and look at all the bad quality ripoffs it has generated) Metroid managed to add something new to the FPS, etc.. Also, the GC still feels like a console, I don't need a HD, a keyboard, an internet connection, etc... on my console, I have a mac for all that :)

Ah! and Squaresoft is developing again for Nintendo, which is good news if you like RPGs

Nintendo GC is the minority, so what? :) apple is the minority too...

MacBandit

Mar 11, 2003, 10:33 AM

Originally posted by maka
Nintendo also has some challenging original games like Pikmin, that you cannot find anywhere else, they just seem to really care about the games. Mario is the best platform game ever, Zelda the best adventure (and look at all the bad quality ripoffs it has generated)

This kind of proves the point about how some people like the goofy animated looking bright colors child type games. Nothing against them I just don't personally like them. I prefer the more serious, harder, more cutting edge look personally. Nintendo definitely has the corner on kid oriented games and graphics.

markjones05

Mar 11, 2003, 10:46 AM

Originally posted by MacBandit
I'm just against a company that has the potential to totally screw you. Like I have said before they have yet to show a single cent of profit on the sale of XBox units.

Using an OS from microsoft is one thing. If you do the research Xbox is truly the superior system. Best graphics, 4 players, dvd, and a hard drive, plus high speed online gaming capabilities. I mean common, dont let the microsoft label scare yoou away. Obviously they arn't out to screw you since they havnt made a dime on his console. The only reason PS2 holds a flame to the Box is because it has more games, but if you look at the list of new games comming out within the year youll see that it wont even be an issue anymore.

MacBandit

Mar 11, 2003, 10:54 AM

Originally posted by markjones05
Using an OS from microsoft is one thing. If you do the research Xbox is truly the superior system. Best graphics, 4 players, dvd, and a hard drive, plus high speed online gaming capabilities. I mean common, dont let the microsoft label scare yoou away. Obviously they arn't out to screw you since they havnt made a dime on his console. The only reason PS2 holds a flame to the Box is because it has more games, but if you look at the list of new games comming out within the year youll see that it wont even be an issue anymore.

The reason I mentioned that they haven't made any money is that they could really screw everyone by dropping the XBox all togethere as it hasn't been a money maker. The XBox II specs haven't been set yet. Why? It's not because it isn't easy to build a newer better one. It's just a PC you know. It's because maketing is pushing to kill it.

Oh, by the way I play 4 players on my PS2 regularly. It cost me $30 bucks for the multi-tap. Also PS2 can have hard drive and network adaptor also and I can run linux and many other things computer based programs on it.

bousozoku

Mar 11, 2003, 04:15 PM

MacBandit

Mar 12, 2003, 01:29 AM

Originally posted by bousozoku
It's a PC with a lean-and-mean Windows on top.

They lose $200-$250 on each Xbox they sell. Of course, it's better than PS2. Sony isn't losing nearly as much. :D

The sale of Sony PS2s is actually the largest source of revenue from a single product that Sony has. It's measured in Billions.

andrewlandry

Mar 12, 2003, 01:55 AM

just curious here...

i agree that MS is pretty evil, but don't you think Sony is too?

Seriously, i know people that have worked for Sony. There are easily as evil as MS. They've been screwing musicians like there's no tomorrow for a long time. Are you just not as aware of Sony's shadiness, or is it just because Bill Gates is so creepy? Any thoughts on this?

maka

Mar 12, 2003, 02:00 AM

Originally posted by MacBandit
This kind of proves the point about how some people like the goofy animated looking bright colors child type games. Nothing against them I just don't personally like them. I prefer the more serious, harder, more cutting edge look personally. Nintendo definitely has the corner on kid oriented games and graphics.

If you look past the kiddy graphics, Those games I mentioned offer cutting edge gameplay, and originality. I don't care so much about what kind of graphics a game uses, I grew with the ZX Spectrum and learned that graphics aren't the most important feature in a game. (That's also why I like http://www.nethack.org :) )

BTW, have you played Metroid for the GC? Maybe you'd like it, it doesn't have kiddy graphics...

MacBandit

Mar 12, 2003, 02:13 AM

Originally posted by maka
If you look past the kiddy graphics, Those games I mentioned offer cutting edge gameplay, and originality. I don't care so much about what kind of graphics a game uses, I grew with the ZX Spectrum and learned that graphics aren't the most important feature in a game. (That's also why I like http://www.nethack.org :) )

BTW, have you played Metroid for the GC? Maybe you'd like it, it doesn't have kiddy graphics...

I personally like racing games and therefore graphics are big part of it. Also I find that I have a serious advantage as the level of graphic detail goes up due to my very very good eye site.

Yes, Metroid is very good and is one of the true teen/adult oriented games on the Nintendo.

maka

Mar 12, 2003, 02:31 AM

Originally posted by MacBandit
I personally like racing games and therefore graphics are big part of it. Also I find that I have a serious advantage as the level of graphic detail goes up due to my very very good eye site.

Well, I agree with you about the racing games... but also, with Nintendo, it's not usually about the level of detail, it's more about what kind of detail. Look at the new Zelda, yes, it looks cartoonish, but have you seen the level of detail they have archieved? it's amazing. I guess it has to be played to be truly appreciated...

Anyway, each person has different tastes... so I'm not going to try to convince you :) I just feel Nintendo cares for their games, and doesn't release "unfinished" products, they release polished games, with nice gameplay, usually good graphics with good detail and quite original concepts.

MacBandit

Mar 12, 2003, 02:46 AM

Originally posted by maka
Well, I agree with you about the racing games... but also, with Nintendo, it's not usually about the level of detail, it's more about what kind of detail. Look at the new Zelda, yes, it looks cartoonish, but have you seen the level of detail they have archieved? it's amazing. I guess it has to be played to be truly appreciated...

Anyway, each person has different tastes... so I'm not going to try to convince you :) I just feel Nintendo cares for their games, and doesn't release "unfinished" products, they release polished games, with nice gameplay, usually good graphics with good detail and quite original concepts.

I have and never will bash Nintendo on there quality. As long as they keep up what they have been doing. I am in fact planning on buying a Gameboy Advance SP as soon as they become available. I think Nintendo really makes a great product they just don't tend to be adult oriented.

If you want racing games if you want surealisticly rendered environments with lots of clouds, rain, smoke, fog, blood, etc. then get something besides a Nintendo. I'm more of a Doom III type of guy. I really like the type of graphics it will be using. Just to give you an example of what my tastes are. I like all sorts of animation but am truly awe struck by the graphics in Final Fantasy the Spirits within. As for games Final Fantasy X was a bit too cartoonish for my taste.

maka

Mar 12, 2003, 03:06 AM

But I don't want to play it in any console :) I hope I'll be playing it in a Mac with the PPC 970 in it ;)

job

Mar 12, 2003, 08:01 AM

I've pretty much decided what I'm going to get.

I'm going to get a GC here in the next week or so. I'm going to get Metroid Prime for free and Rogue Squadron for $20.

I can understand the benefits of purchasing a PS2, however the price of the console is a deciding factor for me. I need something relatively cheap, yet fun. I cannot spend $200 dollars for a console that is soon to be replaced.

chrisfx811

Mar 12, 2003, 08:57 AM

ps2 games keeping up with x box games?:confused:
compare splinter cell? ps2's lack of network adapter availability is an obvious problem, but the fact remains that most consumers aren't interested in peripherals. the other point is xbox provides an all-in-one online gaming solution which is the better solution for the vast majority of us. i am not a fanboy of any particular system, but between myself and my 2 brothers we own all the systems, and my bro who had a ps2 sold it because he was tired of coming over my house all the time to play xbox. the gc is a sweet system for the games it does have, however i believe sega sports has already backed out of making quite a few of their titles for the cube in 2k4.
as for losing money... microsoft loses money on the xbox like i lose change in my sofa: it is inconsequential in the bigger picture that ms sees for it's console venture. from the beginning ms knew it had an uphill battle in taking market share. the gaming industry comtinues to explode and reach new heights in terms of revenue, and ms is aware that they are just positioning themselves for a more equal-footed battle between ps3 and xbox2 and perhaps some other upstart company. 2 consoles can survive, but 3 will drive competition to the point that one will die out.

MacBandit

Mar 12, 2003, 09:53 AM

Originally posted by hitman
I've pretty much decided what I'm going to get.

I'm going to get a GC here in the next week or so. I'm going to get Metroid Prime for free and Rogue Squadron for $20.

I can understand the benefits of purchasing a PS2, however the price of the console is a deciding factor for me. I need something relatively cheap, yet fun. I cannot spend $200 dollars for a console that is soon to be replaced.

Sounds cool. I definitely understand the money thing as my job is going away at the end of the month.

MacBandit

Mar 12, 2003, 09:54 AM

Originally posted by maka
But I don't want to play it in any console :) I hope I'll be playing it in a Mac with the PPC 970 in it ;)

I would be happy to play it on my Dual/GHz/DDR with a ATI9700 and maybe a CPU upgrade.

tjwett

Mar 12, 2003, 10:07 AM

i've been looking into getting a console too and i think the Gamecube is coming out on top for me as well. the selling point for me is the exclusives and the fact that quality seems to take priority over quantity regarding games. when it was first released i thought it would never make it, there always has to be one system that dies. but now it's looking pretty strong. after trying all three my opinion is; i don't like the graphics on the PS2, or most of the games. i'm not into drive-around-and-shoot-people games. and the build quality of it seems to be kind of cheap. the xbox is tempting with the hard drive and horsepower but i don't have much faith in it at the moment(microsoft aside). the Cube looks solid and the option for online gaming is there. plus, they released Phantasy Star online which is sick. i spent many hours playing it on my Dreamcast(an awesome system that died, shame). now all i need is Worms Armageddon and it would be perfect.

job

Mar 12, 2003, 10:51 AM

Originally posted by tjwett
plus, they released Phantasy Star online which is sick. i spent many hours playing it on my Dreamcast(an awesome system that died, shame).

I want that game too. :)

But I'm on a budget, so it will have to wait until next paycheck. ;)

I'm getting it more for the off-line play though. It seems with the majority of the GC RPGs that they have extremely cartoonish graphics. This one seems aimed more towards teens/adults. Besides, I'm not up to spending $10 a month to play an online console.

I need to save for the 970s... ;)

scem0

Mar 12, 2003, 11:44 AM

I've always preferred computers to game consoles, which, to me,
are just less powerful computers, which are capable of less.

MacBandit

Mar 12, 2003, 11:45 AM

Originally posted by scem0
I've always preferred computers to game consoles, which, to me,
are just less powerful computers, which are capable of less.

Yes, but they are capable of much much much more gaming due to the large volumes of games available for them.

tjwett

Mar 12, 2003, 02:40 PM

Originally posted by MacBandit
Yes, but they are capable of much much much more gaming due to the large volumes of games available for them.

i agree. plus as Mac users we have to wait forever for the ports, which rarely even come. i'm still playing deus ex and heroes 3. quake 3 is the newest game i have for mac. and there's no installing to do. plus i spend about 90% of my day on the computer so it would be nice to get away from it, if you call playing video games in fromt of a t.v. "getting away". i'm gonna go find an old person and ask them what they used to do for fun.

bousozoku

Mar 12, 2003, 02:50 PM

Originally posted by scem0
I've always preferred computers to game consoles, which, to me,
are just less powerful computers, which are capable of less.

If Macintosh hardware had a mode where it could be used as a game console, I would be happy not to have a separate box. This isn't, and won't likely, be the case. Unforunately, the operating system gets in the way. It's not lean-and-mean and slows games down a lot. Maybe if BeOS had become an operating system for games, Mac hardware would have sold more quickly. The fact that BeOS was so much lighter and quicker that Mac OS gave it great promise but sometimes, promises are broken.

FelixDerKater

Mar 12, 2003, 03:05 PM

If you want the ultimate in graphics, sound, and playability, then get an XBox. I am not a fan of Microsoft, but the XBox completely flattens the competition. Games such as Splinter Cell, which are available on all three consoles just simply look better on an XBox. If you want the Mario/Zelda/Metroid/Sonic bunch, then get a GameCube.

MacBandit

Mar 13, 2003, 12:44 AM

Originally posted by FelixDerKater
If you want the ultimate in graphics, sound, and playability, then get an XBox.

Okay you need to state this as a personal oppinion rather than fact. The only part about it that is fact is that the graphics could have a leg up because of HD output not because of processing power. It's just not proven due to poor optimization and porting there are some games that look better on a PS2 and others on an XBox. The PS2 has digital optical output how can the audio be better then that? Playability is the most judgemental of the 3 I'll just leave that one alone.

vniow

Mar 13, 2003, 04:23 PM

Originally posted by MacBandit
The only part about it that is fact is that the graphics could have a leg up because of HD output not because of processing power. It's just not proven due to poor optimization and porting there are some games that look better on a PS2 and others on an XBox. The PS2 has digital optical output how can the audio be better then that?

As far as I know, the PS2's digital output is Dolby Pro-Logic II which isn't true 5.1 sound like the Xbox's digital output, Pro Logic II is simulated (and it works rather well a lot of the time) 5.1 sound while the Xbox's output is true 5.1.

It's a software issue really, a couple of the well known software DVD players on the PC side (WinDVD and PowerDVD) have a Pro Logic II option where you can play ordinary two channel sound in simulated 5.1 and that's what the PS2 (and Gamecube?) does, the Xbox has full support for true surround sound.

Another nice little thing about the Xbox is a hack for progressive-scan playback of DVDs, it's not activated by default and none of the other consoles have it at all.

For just sheer hardware specs and modular capability the Xbox beats the crap out of every console out there and that's not including all the little mods and hacks floating around for it.

I've strongly considered getting one (and I would buy it used, MS will not see another cent from me) not for games, but to be used as a little media centre hooked up to a TV and a stereo, networked to my other computers so I could grab files off of them and play them in the front room or something. I'd also run Linux on it so I could do other computing related stuffs on it.

Now I just need ca$h......

Rower_CPU

Mar 13, 2003, 04:27 PM

Originally posted by vniow
As far as I know, the PS2's digital output is Dolby Pro-Logic II which isn't true 5.1 sound like the Xbox's digital output, Pro Logic II is simulated (and it works rather well a lot of the time) 5.1 sound while the Xbox's output is true 5.1.

It's a software issue really, a couple of the well known software DVD players on the PC side (WinDVD and PowerDVD) have a Pro Logic II option where you can play ordinary two channel sound in simulated 5.1 and that's what the PS2 (and Gamecube?) does, the Xbox has full support for true surround sound.

Another nice little thing about the Xbox is a hack for progressive-scan playback of DVDs, it's not activated by default and none of the other consoles have it at all.

For just sheer hardware specs and modular capability the Xbox beats the crap out of every console out there and that's not including all the little mods and hacks floating around for it.

I've strongly considered getting one (and I would buy it used, MS will not see another cent from me) not for games, but to be used as a little media centre hooked up to a TV and a stereo, networked to my other computers so I could grab files off of them and play them in the front room or something. I'd also run Linux on it so I could do other computing related stuffs on it.

Now I just need ca$h......

Nope. Digital Optical out is Digital Optical out.

Some games (Metal Gear 2, for instance) have cut scenes in full 5.1. DVDs have it as well.

vniow

Mar 13, 2003, 04:39 PM

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
Nope. Digital Optical out is Digital Optical out.

You're absolutely right which is why I said it's a software issue that the games on a PS2 or Gamecube don't have true 5.1 sound, the capability is there it's just not being used to its full potential.

chrisfx811

Mar 13, 2003, 04:50 PM

the only cross-platform games that look better on ps2 than xbox are the ones that are 1st developed on the ps2 then quickly ported and not optimized for the xbox. even some that are quickly ported still look better on the xbox. games that are built from the ground up to utilize xbox specs look substantially better than games built from the ground up for ps2.
splinter cell vs mgs 2
nfl fever2002 vs madden 2002
nfl2k3 vs any football game on ps2
panzer dragoon vs ???? nothing comparable
ps2 is a great system in it's own right but sony rammed their proprietary technology down everyone's throats when the ps2 came out because they were the market leader and the only challenge out there was dreamcast.

Rower_CPU

Mar 13, 2003, 05:34 PM

Originally posted by vniow
You're absolutely right which is why I said it's a software issue that the games on a PS2 or Gamecube don't have true 5.1 sound, the capability is there it's just not being used to its full potential.

Except for the cases I mentioned above.

Is every Xbox game full 5.1?

job

Mar 13, 2003, 05:41 PM

I have an honest, sincere, no-flamebait question.

Why on earth would anyone pay to play over X-Box Live, when they can already play the same games (i.e. Ghost Recon) online for free*?

*excluding the obvious monthly charges for the ISP.

vniow

Mar 13, 2003, 05:41 PM

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
Except for the cases I mentioned above.

Is every Xbox game full 5.1?

No, most of them are regular stereo I think but the ones that are have full support for 5.1 sound, not Pro Logic II which is the case for most (not all) GC and PS2 games.

chrisfx811

Mar 13, 2003, 05:48 PM

Originally posted by hitman
I have an honest, sincere, no-flamebait question.

Why on earth would anyone pay to play over X-Box Live, when they can already play the same games (i.e. Ghost Recon) online for free*?

*excluding the obvious monthly charges for the ISP.
well xbox live is a yearly subscription, and you can play any game that is live capable as part of the fee. it provides an easy to access environment, easy to find buddies, etc. i dunno maybe 50 bux is alot, but i don't play pc games and the fee seems cheap to me for what is involved. i can almost smell the capitalism when i'm playing:D

job

Mar 13, 2003, 06:30 PM

I guess $50 a year isn't that bad, but for MP gaming I'd still tend to look to my computer.

More servers, more players, and in most cases, better mods. ;)

tfox_31

Mar 13, 2003, 06:57 PM

PS2 two is your best choice if you want the best all around system personally i loved nintendoes but i had to get ps2 for the games
best controller is easily gamecubes dont get me started on either of xbox's
my friend has gc and i am thouroghly impressed and will buy for metroid and rougue squadran:) :) :) :) :)

MacBandit

Mar 13, 2003, 07:05 PM

Originally posted by vniow
You're absolutely right which is why I said it's a software issue that the games on a PS2 or Gamecube don't have true 5.1 sound, the capability is there it's just not being used to its full potential.

I have played a couple PS2 games that have 5.1 out as recognized by my THX receiver. I don't recall the exact one but they are out there.

Sol

Mar 23, 2003, 05:04 AM

I have never owned a Nintendo console but I would definitely choose the GameCube out of the three. My incentive are the exclusive titles like F-Zero, Pimkin & the latest Resident Evils.

While technically X-Box may be more powerful than the rest, I do not think technology is enough to make games fun. The issue of graphics is further complicated when you see titles that are optimized for supposedly less capable systems. Even today, a game like Crash Bandicoot on the original PlayStation looks great.

As for the Mac, say what you will about it, I still prefer to play my games on it. Aliens Vs Predator on GameRanger has had me hooked for several months and I am looking forward to playing racing games on it with a Force Feedback steering wheel.

By the way, a hand-held console might also be a good option. That new GameBoy Advance SP is great and those 2D games on the little screen look so charming. It can also do 3D with games like F-Zero and Duke Nukem.

markjones05

Mar 23, 2003, 04:32 PM

Originally posted by scem0
I've always preferred computers to game consoles, which, to me,
are just less powerful computers, which are capable of less.

If apple would release the quantity and quality of games that the consoles or even pc's do i wouldnt need a console or a pc. I know mac gaming has come along way the past year, but they are still pretty far behind and definately need to step it up a notch.

Riko19

Mar 25, 2003, 08:45 AM

ok some poeple need to be slapped witha wet fish! hehe

i am an ownr of all systems got rid of them all part from cube and crossbox.

right point 1. remeber how the price of a gamecube here in the uk has gone down(cube fans check ur mags it has gone down in price) due to not selling at the numbers expected.

ok point 2. the playstation never kicked off properly anyway, while working at GAME inc, i went to most of the ea games meetings on forthcoming games xbox will sell itself due to the extent of poeple getting broadband new titles like hitman, toca proffesional championship new halo , (which halo was boss and when halo 2 comes out watch out while ur online with the shear scale of the maps and the new selection of weapons (although still in sketch look cool) imagine 32v32 online with crystal clear voice activated team chat, its now out XBL, its worth investing in.

point 3. microsoft have a rather stable industry due to microsoft being a massive company willing to spend the money out there.

and if i remember when ps2 came out all those ps fans forgot about their petty ps and bought ps2s short indutry and PS is only in the mists, although they are still going well today.

I will summurise this up and say dont underestimate the future of xbox it still has a big future ahead of it in gaming.

Lists of forth coming games :

Hitman
midtown madness 2
indiana jones
matrix unleashed
loads of fighting games which i cant pronuonciate.
ninja kaiden
mech games are coming soon as well
crimson skies 2
loads of stuff coming soon and most of it XBL enabled.

although i still mainly use powerbook g4 17"er for games etc soo powerful.
hope this helps.
:D

markjones05

Mar 25, 2003, 04:37 PM

Originally posted by vniow
I've strongly considered getting one (and I would buy it used, MS will not see another cent from me) not for games, but to be used as a little media centre hooked up to a TV and a stereo, networked to my other computers so I could grab files off of them and play them in the front room or something. I'd also run Linux on it so I could do other computing related stuffs on it.

Now I just need ca$h......

How do u do all that stuff??