[PS3] It all makes sense now [Archive]

Dagless

Jul 17, 2006, 05:08 PM

Kutaragi is interested only in consoles and technology. He does not care about the market. Some SCE officers disagree with his approach, feeling that the company should be more market sensitive. Kutaragi does not care. Nintendo has shown that it isn't only about powerful technology and graphics, but the PS3 isn't geared for that market at all and is intended for a very specific customer.
Within Sony, the different divisions have discordant views on what the PlayStation 3 actually is. Some divisions view the machine as a game machine, while other divisions view it as a home electronic device (like a TV or a video player). Some SCE officers are worried about hitting the console's target consumer. As a game machine, it's very expensive for many players and not exactly something parents would buy for their children. As an electronic device, the inclusion of a game player could be off-turn for those only interested in electronics and Blu-ray. There's concern within Sony that both groups could be alienated.

It's not possible for most developers to calculate the cost of making PS3 games. And it doesn't help that even last month, Sony kept delaying development tools. Many small and medium-sized developers are not making PS3 games, because costs are astronomical. Instead, they are switching to the Wii, the DS and the Xbox 360. Everyone sees developing for the PlayStation 3 as a risk.

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/top/kutaragi-obsessed-with-tech-internal-sony-strife--ps3-seen-as-risk-187680.php

As the Kotaku guy says "Some of it is obvious a, some is surprising".

Bolded what I considered the more interesting bits. Funny though, the Playstation series always felt like they had no magic, I've mentioned before. They just generally produced lacklustre games barring a few gems, aimed more at people who don't care. And we all knew about studios dropping Sony for the dev cost so chalk that on to the obvious list.

XNine

Jul 17, 2006, 05:19 PM

More FUD from the Nintendo Camp I see. Never a postive thing to say about the emmerging technologies that are invested into the PS3.

Dagless

Jul 17, 2006, 05:26 PM

More FUD from the Nintendo Camp I see. Never a postive thing to say about the emmerging technologies that are invested into the PS3.

Well seemingly some guys at Sony don't have interest in these emerging technologies either, worried that they will disrupt the system.
and interestingly, have a read through Kotaku or Joystiq. or you might be living under a rock what with all the negative press pouring from Sony and the (mostly) good press from Nintendo. though I could just be lying, or you could just browse other news sites.

plus I thought it might be interesting to know the internal affairs of Sony and where this negative press is coming from. a boss who doesn't care? theres the problem.

XNine

Jul 17, 2006, 05:34 PM

Oh, I've read quite a bit, but no magic wand controller is going to get me to say it's way cooler than a 25 Gig disc, or a processor that has incredible abilities to process large AND small bits of information at the same time. These are going to be awesome technologies despite what the lame ass bloggers say.

The fact is there's some awesome games in development (see the new FF XIII games, the WALL, COD 3, MGS 4, and others) that will be incredible, breath taking games.

Ever play Ico? The graphics in that game hands down beat most PS2/Xbox games for YEARS, and it was an excellent game to play. There are developers that know what people want, and the last thing I want is to prance around my living rooom with a baton.

paddy

Jul 17, 2006, 05:38 PM

Why keep bringing this up, you've posted before about how dev. cost is too high. You keep bringing up the obvious and recycling things you've said before. Of course the I'm not much of a Playstation fan to be honest (more of a Nintendo man myself) but this constant anti sony bashing is getting tedious.

Of course Kutaragi cares about the market! You really think a multi billion dollar company would leave a man would no knowledge or interest about the market in charge of what is probably their most important division. Does the article mention that there could be pressure on Kutaragi to put blu-ray in to make blu-ray standard? No. If I was a betting man I'd bet he would given the choice he'd leave the whole drive out altogether to drive cost down to 360 levels and shift a ton of Ps3's.

Like I said above I'm more of a Nintendo man but this constant sony bashing is getting annoying.

Dagless

Jul 17, 2006, 05:38 PM

Ever play Ico? The graphics in that game hands down beat most PS2/Xbox games for YEARS, and it was an excellent game to play. There are developers that know what people want, and the last thing I want is to prance around my living rooom with a baton.

I haven't played Ico. couldn't get hold of it here, and my PS2 was sold way before I could get my hands on it.
Fair play you don't want to prance around your living room with a baton, I'll be sat down tilting my hands instead. You don't need to prance to use your arms :) it only needs your arms, not legs.
now prancing, as in EyeToy? what about DDR? They're very popular. though limited.

Dagless

Jul 17, 2006, 05:40 PM

Like I said above I'm more of a Nintendo man but this constant sony bashing is getting annoying.

And like I said, some might find the internal affairs interesting, I'm getting into the industry now so it's just interesting to me to know about the consoles I'll end up developing for :) sorry to have offended you.

Lines like "Everyone sees developing for the PlayStation 3 as a risk." is interesting. The N64 and Cube were bashed for having lack of 3rd party support when it looks like the PS3 is going into the exact same waters.

paddy

Jul 17, 2006, 05:45 PM

And like I said, some might find the internal affairs interesting, I'm getting into the industry now so it's just interesting to me to know about the consoles I'll end up developing for :) sorry to have offended you.

There was no offense caused but you've said before the cost for developing is too high. We've gotten that point. You dont need to keep bringing it up.

Don't camp me in with Onizuka he's anti Nintendo I'm not but I just don't think constant bashing is doing anyone any good.

If its new news fair enough but not recycled news please.

XNine

Jul 17, 2006, 05:49 PM

And like I said, some might find the internal affairs interesting, I'm getting into the industry now so it's just interesting to me to know about the consoles I'll end up developing for :) sorry to have offended you.

Lines like "Everyone sees developing for the PlayStation 3 as a risk." is interesting. The N64 and Cube were bashed for having lack of 3rd party support when it looks like the PS3 is going into the exact same waters.

Lack of third party support? Look at Nintendo now, man. It still has jack **** for support. There are still more Devs for other consoles than there is for Nintendo. When Nintendo used to have what? 90% of devs?

The point is, the constant Sony bitching is repetetive and has driven quite a few people from posting in the gaming forum, because that's all they see.

I stay because I like to piss on these topics that just keep getting spun around like a broken record. But then I'm labeled a troll or a fanboy because I'm one realist in front of a bunch of propaganda spewing Nintendo apologists. :rolleyes:

paddy

Jul 17, 2006, 05:51 PM

But then I'm labeled a troll or a fanboy because I'm one realist in front of a bunch of propaganda spewing Nintendo apologists. :rolleyes:

To be fair you could be considered a troll just because of your sig! :p

Dagless

Jul 17, 2006, 05:55 PM

I stay because I like to piss on these topics that just keep getting spun around like a broken record. But then I'm labeled a troll or a fanboy because I'm one realist in front of a bunch of propaganda spewing Nintendo apologists. :rolleyes:

And a signature saying "Nintendo sucks balls" helps this fanboy image?

At least I tried Sony. and actually, the DS has pretty much a plethora more developers than the PSP, and if the analysts are right that the handheld market will echo the console market then :)

Ps. If Nintendo sucks balls then where does that put Sony? I mean... since the turn of the millennium Nintendo is in more homes than Sony (Playstation). What with the GBA (more sold than PS2), DS (more sold than anything) and the Cube. hmm. just being realistic is all.

edit: I'm off for the night now. I'm sorry for Onizuka, and sorry if this thread sounds like a broken record. but its in the record bit that makes this important. if all we're hearing is doom and gloom then what are we supposed to think? Sony has problems manufacturing BluRay, does that mean we can't report on the Cell low yield figures?

XNine

Jul 17, 2006, 05:58 PM

To be fair you could be considered a troll just because of your sig! :p

Yeah, but that's mainly why I did it. If I'm going to be labeled because I'm the only guy that stands up anymore, then might as well have fun with it at the same time. ;)

paddy

Jul 17, 2006, 05:59 PM

Yeah, but that's mainly why I did it. If I'm going to be labeled because I'm the only guy that stands up anymore, then might as well have fun with it at the same time. ;)

Thats actually quite a good reason. :cool:

XNine

Jul 17, 2006, 06:01 PM

And a signature saying "Nintendo sucks balls" helps this fanboy image?

At least I tried Sony. and actually, the DS has pretty much a plethora more developers than the PSP, and if the analysts are right that the handheld market will echo the console market then :)

Ps. If Nintendo sucks balls then where does that put Sony? I mean... since the turn of the millennium Nintendo is in more homes than Sony (Playstation). What with the GBA (more sold than PS2), DS (more sold than anything) and the Cube. hmm. just being realistic is all.

edit: I'm off for the night now. I'm sorry for Onizuka, and sorry if this thread sounds like a broken record. but its in the record bit that makes this important. if all we're hearing is doom and gloom then what are we supposed to think? Sony has problems manufacturing BluRay, does that mean we can't report on the Cell low yield figures?

Jimmi, this is the last time I'm responding to you in this thread, simply because your provocation is just as jilted as your "I'm a game developer view."

But, seriously, get over it. Not everyone likes or loves or has sex with Nintendo. There are many other platforms/consoles out there that have a fan base. And yes, it is a broken record. I bet I could list 20 or more posts by you with the exact same content.

Core Trio

Jul 17, 2006, 06:09 PM

And a signature saying "Nintendo sucks balls" helps this fanboy image?

At least I tried Sony. and actually, the DS has pretty much a plethora more developers than the PSP, and if the analysts are right that the handheld market will echo the console market then :)

Ps. If Nintendo sucks balls then where does that put Sony? I mean... since the turn of the millennium Nintendo is in more homes than Sony (Playstation). What with the GBA (more sold than PS2), DS (more sold than anything) and the Cube. hmm. just being realistic is all.

the gamecube should basically be considered a flop by nintendos sales standards. I think that should be noted. No console of this past generation can touch the PS2, in sales and gaming library.

But honestly who cares. Buy what you want, play what you like, do you really think you're going to convert someone who likes playstation over to nintendo? And even if you could...do you really have that much time on your hands that you want to try?

These are the threads I come to the gaming forum for when Im at work. They make me remember my life really isnt all that boring.:)

paddy

Jul 17, 2006, 06:13 PM

the gamecube should basically be considered a flop by nintendos sales standards. I think that should be noted. No console of this past generation can touch the PS2, in sales and gaming library.

But honestly who cares. Buy what you want, play what you like, do you really think you're going to convert someone who likes playstation over to nintendo? And even if you could...do you really have that much time on your hands that you want to try?

These are the threads I come to the gaming forum for when Im at work. They make me remember my life really isnt all that boring.:)

Your the voice of sanity in this thread.

chairguru22

Jul 17, 2006, 06:21 PM

PS3 moreso than the 360 seems to be moving away from videogaming and into multimedia. so when it comes to multimedia, i want a full-featured device, not a device that says 'eh... it plays games, and plays movies, and does other stuff too.'

i want my technology seperate. my computer will be a computer, my mp3 player will be an mp3 player, and my videogame console will be a videogame console. put those things together and you get a gizmondo... or slightly better, a psp...

to say you could watch movies, listen to music, and surf the web on a psp is well true. but is it really great to do those things? not really. sony would just have been better to leave those things out and focus more on gaming. same idea crosses over to the console market. videogames are still 'toys' and are for enjoyment and fun and sony seems to be taking the play out of PlayStation.

Mackilroy

Jul 17, 2006, 08:05 PM

No console of this past generation can touch the PS2, in sales and gaming library.

You mean no console can match the number of PS2s that have had to been replaced in this past generation. ;)

Seriously. While I hear many stories about PS2s working fine, I see a vast percentage more of PS2s that failed for various reasons and had to be replaced – some as many as 6-7 times. That was using proven hardware. The PS3 will be using a lot of unproven hardware (Cell, Blu-ray) and if that stuff begins failing it will be extremely expensive to replace (note: I'm not referring to the consumer – hopefully Sony will replace the inevitable broken PS3s for free).

I'm betting that this generation, Sony will tie for second at best.

MJK37

Jul 17, 2006, 08:23 PM

This thread has forced me to sign up to post on these forums.

I think it is hillarious just how many threads like this are all over the web with someone pointing out some news and then everyone taking sides and defending there favorite company.

First of all I have owned many Video Game consoles over the years and never once have I bought or not bought one because of what someone else has said I picked the one I liked the most and bought it. I suspect many of you will do the same.

Chances are that none of your minds will be changed because of what someone on the internet had to say about this or that system, or because of some news story about the internal problems at this or that company.

Bottom line is there are good arguments for all systems.

Wii has one of the most inovative controllers ever made and some of the largest franchises in the world of Video Games

PS3 is a Bluray Player out of the box and considering that a stand alone bluray player is $1000.00 or more this is great news for anyone thinking of upgrading to a Bluray or HD system Sony also has great franchises in place.

Xbox 360 has an HD Drive coming some excellent games already and more to come also Xbox Live is a great system for online gaming.

No Matter where you get your game fix just figure out what kind of games you like, find out which console you can play those games on, and buy that system.

Rather than slam anyone who wants to buy a system other than the one you are getting why not just spend time in forums that have news on your desired product.

Sorry but I had to get that off my chest. :D

michaelltd

Jul 17, 2006, 08:35 PM

Well put.

Thank you.

.Andy

Jul 17, 2006, 08:37 PM

Lots of cool stuff
Welcome to Macrumors MJK37 and I couldn't agree with you more (although I'm afraid it usually falls on deaf ears). I think we're up to 3 PSP vs DS penis size threads. Seems people will go to any lengths to justify their purchasing habits. Anyway hope you stick around and add some quality discussion to the gaming forums :).

The end of this year should be fantastic for gamers of all persuasions...

technocoy

Jul 17, 2006, 08:58 PM

but, this remark:

"the gamecube should basically be considered a flop by nintendos sales standards. I think that should be noted. No console of this past generation can touch the PS2, in sales and gaming library."

is flat out wrong. the nintendo should be considered the only sales success out of the three consoles. IF we're talking consoles. nintenedo is happier with their number than anyone else... they made more profit on the gamecube than sony and xbox. because for most of the life of the gamecube it's been sold at a profit. the xbox and playstation2 were sold at a loss for most of theirs.

numbers can be moved around as many times as you want, but to call success as strictly selling the most systems would be a mistake as far as economics go. last time i checked nintendo was turning profits and sony was going in the crapper.

personally I hope to own all three systems at some point. I can't wait for the wii, i may finally buy a microsoft product, and when the PS3 drops in price and brings FF, I'll hope to pick it up. If i can sell my car to buy it ;-)

crachoar

Jul 17, 2006, 08:58 PM

Stop.
Posting.
These.
Stupid.
Threads.

G'night.

Core Trio

Jul 17, 2006, 09:07 PM

Your the voice of sanity in this thread.

if that wasnt sarcasm then thank you haha

DarkNetworks

Jul 17, 2006, 09:13 PM

Your the voice of sanity in this thread.

:D

AlmightyG5

Jul 17, 2006, 09:15 PM

GFLPraxis

Jul 17, 2006, 09:55 PM

RaggedJimmi, Stop posting all this PS3 ****. We all know that you love Nintendo...GREAT! Love it all you want. Just because Sony and its PS3 don't float your boat doesn't give you the right to constantly post Anti-PS3 topics. Personally I don't Like Microsoft and the 360. But do I post every negative article that circulates the net about the 360. No. Because it is pointless. If you don't like the PS3 then shove it down the drain and don't post about it. Don't argue over it. Don't compare the PS3 to anything else if you have no interest in it. You can love Nintendo and Hate Sony as much as you like without letting all of us know. Onizuka, Power to ya brother. We seem to be the only people optimistic about the PS3 and don't constantly bash other consoles at the same time. Good Night.

Let's get something straight.

A) I like PS3 and Wii, and if I could afford the PS3 I would honestly buy both at launch.

B) If Jimmi hadn't posted this article, someone else would. There's a lot of stupid anti-PS3 propoganda going around.

C) Just because Onizuka is on the same side as you in this one thread does not mean you should be blatantly supporting him. Onizuka flames Nintendo in virtually any thread and is far more of a troll than RJ is- jimmi complains about the PS2 a lot but he can admit the system is good, other than hardware troubles. Onizuka runs around screaming, "Nintendo sucks! Nintendo sucks! You're all a bunch of raving Nintendo-loving fanboys!" and being a troll in general.

That said- Jimmi, you are posting way too many anti-PS3 threads, I can see why people might get annoyed, even if you're not speaking abusively about the PS3 in said threads.

Haoshiro

Jul 17, 2006, 10:08 PM

Oh come on people, lay off the OP.

These forums have been pretty dry of any discussion at all lately and jimmi wasn't even flaming Sony. He was just reposting an article on Kotaku.

I for one found it interesting, and if it had of been about Nintendo, Microsoft, or even Phantom I'd have still found it of interest.

We don't actually even know the legitimacy of the claims, but any company that has internal contention (ie: is divided) is doing something wrong. Has anyone stopped to think Sony is causing it's own bad press? A lot of the news reports aren't fabrications as far as we know. Sure, they might be blown out of proportion - and that is likely what a lot of you are tired of.

The problem is that nobody seems to be able to reply objectively or discuss almost any topic with civility or neutrality.

Onizuka can blame himself for a lot of the Nintendo fanboy-isms that float around. I'm sure we've all seen him and others purposefully and maliciously cause flamewars in the name of "defending" Sony. Well that is rubbish. You get accused of being a troll for acting like one, and when that accusation happens it is not suddenly an excuse to get even worse and cause more trouble.

Honestly, does it even matter anyway? No. It sure doesn't. If positive press comes out about Sony/PS3 then post it, add some validity to the defense. In the end, if the PS3 succeeds and crushes it's competition you'll have all the material you want to shut up the haters and naysayers.

But perhaps everyone just wants to be right... that way when this or that happens they can shout "hah! I was right!" - and that certaintly can be fun, but you can predict and defend intelligently, rather then purely flamebaiting for the fun of it... way to make yourself look better and encourage intelligent discussion.

I'll wrap off with some quotes I feel are appropriate:

"Too Many Cooks Spoil the Broth" ~ Unknown
In response to the OP as an alternate look at what the quoted article suggests of Sony.

"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." ~ Friedrich Nietzsche
In response to people that insist on fighting the "fanboys" and "haters", good job, you're better then them!

GFLPraxis

Jul 17, 2006, 10:46 PM

Thank you.

maxi

Jul 17, 2006, 11:12 PM

I don't get all the bashing towards the OP. It's a pretty interesting article, which paints SONY as having serious internal problems (the kind of problems I wouldn't want to be having before launching a huge product like the PS3).
If the article is rubish or not, that's another question, but leave the guy alone... we all know that all the outraged sony guys in the forum would be salivating at the opportunity of bashing nintendo if they found out something like this.

I'm not a nintendo or sony fanboy, the last console I owned was a N64 over 8 years ago... but I believe that there's a reason we are seeing all this bad press about the PS3, stuff like this is not just invented out of thin air (specially if you are the current market leader).

chairguru22

Jul 17, 2006, 11:17 PM

the thing costs $600. youd be kidding yourself if you think it sells as well as the PS2 did.

steamboat26

Jul 17, 2006, 11:22 PM

the thing costs $600. youd be kidding yourself if you think it sells as well as the PS2 did.

I do admit that it is over-priced compared to the competition, but a premium XBOX 360 plus the cost of that massive external HD-DVD must be at least $500. Also, wasn't the PS2s launch price of $299 considered high for its time?
Also, don't forget that Sony has a huge fan base in Japan, and is probably guarenteed to outsell the 360 by alot.

Prom1

Jul 18, 2006, 01:00 AM

Onizuka;

It seems you choose to piss on repetitive threads - i'm not gonna quote.

now of course you choose the PS3 over the Nintendo ... now when it debuts are you gonna have the cash in hand or in bank via Debit to purchase it new (not off the back of a truck)? Are you gonna have the dollars to purchase 2 of the games avail during launch day? furthermore 25GB of memory on a BlueRay Disc .. . do you want to keep forking the dollars for NEW releases at that premium media pricing? Lastly, do you have a huge wide screen TV that supports HDTV resolutions? Just curious if you've considered this. Economies of scale will not help the game media since the estimated initial qtr purchase of the PS3 & games wont help. Furthermore its the only system this generation that uses BlueRay technology, home media players have been delayed.

I dont doubt its great technology but at that premium there up a creak especially since M$ is able to take a loss on a system price thats somewhat fair for these times ... and can make the difference on gaming systems & on accessories and online services.

Lastly, dont make fun of the Wii's 'magic wand' because even Sony decided motion control was essential to new games with the new controller!:eek:

seenew

Jul 18, 2006, 01:54 AM

^^Yeah, I was beginning to get annoyed by people using the PS3 and X360's HDTV compatibility as a strength over the Wii. Just because it's supported doesn't mean the system comes with an HDTV. I mean, probably more than 95% of gamers DON'T own an HDTV, and probably won't for a while. Why pay extra for technology you're not going to use?

Same thing with BluRay or HDDVD.. How long until you see actual BluRay or HDDVDs for sale in stores? A while, I'd say. And even then, how much are they going to cost?
A game system is a game system. When the manufacturers lose sight of that, they fail to produce quality software to match their highly developed hardware. Two or three good games is not enough to warrent the purchase of an expensive system. I learned that when I bought an Xbox for Halo 2 and PGR2.
Nintendo has produced a sleek system with a whole new way to play, and has already shown at least a dozen top-notch games.

GFLPraxis

Jul 18, 2006, 01:59 AM

Same thing with BluRay or HDDVD.. How long until you see actual BluRay or HDDVDs for sale in stores? A while, I'd say. And even then, how much are they going to cost?

They're already out, $500 for HD-DVD, $1000 for Blu-ray- those are the cheapest players.

GFLPraxis

Jul 18, 2006, 02:08 AM

I do admit that it is over-priced compared to the competition, but a premium XBOX 360 plus the cost of that massive external HD-DVD must be at least $500. Also, wasn't the PS2s launch price of $299 considered high for its time?
Also, don't forget that Sony has a huge fan base in Japan, and is probably guarenteed to outsell the 360 by alot.

The PS3 is guaranteed to outsell the XBox 360 in Japan, only because the *GameCube* some weeks outsells the XBox 360 in Japan, and the GameBoy Advance SP significantly outsells it and the PS2 outsells it by ten times regularly.

http://www.nintendoplayers.com/article.php?articleID=394

This last week the PS2 outsold the XBox 360 by over a dozen times, capturing 0.75% of the Japanese game sales market for the week. The XBox sold 13 units, capturing 0.01%...for a total of...

http://www.nintendoplayers.com/images/articles/394.gif

Ew.

Anyway, I recently watched a documentary on the Sega Saturn and Dreamcast. It was interesting. Sony is making *every* mistake they listed the Sega Saturn as having made, as well as several of the Dreamcast, but at the same time doing all the same things right that the PS2 did.

The Saturn sold at $400, compared to competitors priced at $300 (Playstation) and $200 (N64). The games targetted the very hardcore crowd, with very few games that appealed to casual gamers. A bunch of bad rumors circulated just prior to launch, and despite it having some very important franchises to Japanese gamers (Virtua Fighter = HUGE in Japan), it failed miserably.

On the other hand, the reason the PS2 succeeded so well was that it was the cheapest DVD player on the market- compared to the Dreamcast (at $200), people said, "Well, the $300 PS2 is a game console too, but it also is a DVD player, which costs a lot more than $300, and it is supposed to be way more powerful according to Sony's hype machine".

Sony is repeating the main reason the PS2 succeeded (cheap next gen movie format, hype machine), but blundering in all the same categories the Sega Saturn did (high price, low yeilds, bad rumors, launch titles too hardcore and not enough casual)

seenew

Jul 18, 2006, 02:25 AM

They're already out, $500 for HD-DVD, $1000 for Blu-ray- those are the cheapest players.

No, that's not my point, I'm talking about the discs themselves, with feature films on them.
If you buy a PS3 or X360, you'll have the player already..

GFLPraxis

Jul 18, 2006, 02:33 AM

So far, from Wikipedia, the current titles available for HD-DVD are:

30 GB

* The Last Samurai
* The Phantom of the Opera
* Serenity
* Million Dollar Baby
* Apollo 13
* Doom (Unrated version)
* Goodfellas
* Swordfish
* Assault on Precinct 13
* Cinderella Man
* Jarhead
* Training Day
* Full Metal Jacket
* Unforgiven
* Blazing Saddles
* Bourne Supremacy
* Chronicles of Riddick (Unrated version)
* The Fugitive
* U-571
* Van Helsing
* Constantine
* The Perfect Storm
* A View From Space with Heavenly Music
* Happy Gilmore
* The Rundown
* Syriana
* Lethal Weapon
* Guitarscape Planet
* Dukes of Hazzard
* Enter the Dragon

15 GB/9GB Hybrid

* Rumor Has It
* Firewall
* 16 Blocks
* Kiss Kiss Bang Bang

I love the idea of a Hybrid disk that plays in regular DVD players and HD-DVD.

Blu-ray:
25 GB/MPEG2

* Lord of War
* Terminator 2: Judgment Day
* 50 First Dates
* Basic Instinct 2
* Ultraviolet
* House of Flying Daggers
* Saw
* Hitch
* The Fifth Element
* The Terminator
* Crash
* Underworld: Evolution
* XXX
* The Punisher

Not that many...

BestBuy.com has the list price for Phantom of the Opera (HD-DVD) at $28, and "our price" at $25.. Same for XXX on Blu-ray.

MacRumorUser

Jul 18, 2006, 05:57 AM

I thought the OP was interesting :rolleyes:

Seems like others in this thread twisted it to be a slamming / flaming of Sony.

Lets face it, if Sony is getting bad publicity of late, then it really is just reaping what it's sowed.

If we cant see what direction they are firing at with the PS3 (which is pretty obvious since were told it's something different every other day) then it makes sense that internally the different divisions will also be concerned.

At the end of the day - no matter what debacle Sony continue to make of the PS3, it probably will still come out on top, if not with a very much deflated percentage of market share.

BUT... if the damage Sony (not Jimmi or any other user on MacRumors) continues and persists a couple years into the life-span, then the very real danger of them ******** on their own doorstep will happen when we look at the next next gen. People don't like having their fingers burned twice.

It will be the consumer and importantly 3rd party developers who decide the future of the console, and Sony's marketing and PR throughout its entire company rather than sub division - needs to get it's ***** together, put a muzzle on Ken 'I really am a bit of a nob' Kutagari mouth and have ONE focus - ONE - direction - ONE games console (to rule them all) - not some supped up over inflated home-entertainment nonsense that were currently being sold.

Mac Rules

Jul 18, 2006, 06:28 AM

I honestly don't know why everyone feels compelled to rip the ****** outta Playstation 3. I mean yeah its only go the biggest catalogue of games from PS1 + 2, but also a huge amount of games being developed, ar more than the XBOX360 had. And yes I know the price is astronomical, but you are getting a blu-ray player included, whereas you get nothing with the Wii, and you have to wait for a HD-DVD upgrade. I do believe you also get a much bigger HDD, memory card readers and bluetooth support...
So when you consider that the Wii yes it will be cheap, but will have a lwoly 6 titles from EA, doesn't sound too appealing..
And the SmegBOX360, well consider paying £280, then add wireless controllers, and a HD-DVD drive, and you're already getting close to £400, so the PS3 doesn't sound like such an investment after all...

Cheers:D :D

MacRumorUser

Jul 18, 2006, 06:48 AM

As long as Sony has its fanboys like you clearly are sir, then surely it has no reason to worry at all ;) :D :D

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Here are MY personal reasons for deciding to turn around and walk away from Sony this GEN.

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Seriously, the concern now isn't so much the price (though that does play a good part) - but the seemingly confused direction they are taking.
I want a games console. I don't care about HD-DVD or BluRay as I think both formats stand a higher chance of failing than succeeding.

By including BluRay as standard Sony force me to choose, something I don't appreciate as a consumer is having my hand forced.

But its not just a console - its a super computer we all hear. But then I already have 2 generic pc's. An ibook, a powermac G5, a MacBook, an Imac Core Duo, an Imac 20" G4 and a mac mini - so I'm pretty good for computers thanks Sony, besides I need an OS with more software and support than Linux and not a crippled variety like you are bundling with it Sony.

But isn't it all about the games? Yes, yes it is. Unfortunately what I have seen so far has persuaded me that €625 or $800 here, is worth that kind of investment. Singstar ? Great. F1 Brilliant :rolleyes:

Besides with conflicting opinions and evidence from developers stating that the CELL is not really geared up to video games at all, and with more and more supposed PS3 exclusives quietly moving multi-format (probably because of developer and publisher fears over PS3) then there is even less of a reason why I should get a PS3 (over or with) any of the other consoles.

With BluRay games still reportedly set to cost around €85 here in Ireland (a staggering $108) it's got a big big job to convince ME or average mum and dad to buy one. Period, especially if rival formats sell the exact same game for €15-20 less.

Sony has let me down, I bought a Playstation, a PS2, a PSP and a Slim PS2 all at their respective launches. BUT....... for the first time in 11 years, Sony has convinced me not to bother. And I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels like that.

I'm old enough to remember all the consoles come and gone, and the ones that failed - NeoGeo,Saturn,Jaguar, 3D0, CDi - I've bore witness to them all and I can see so many similarities between the PS3 current marketability and all these failures.

XNine

Jul 18, 2006, 08:26 AM

Onizuka;

It seems you choose to piss on repetitive threads - i'm not gonna quote. Only the ones that have been spewed out time and time and time and time again, such as this one. I've said many times before that I've owned every Nintendo console before, and the GC was the worst of them all. I turned on Nintendo when it turned on its gamers with that particular console.

now of course you choose the PS3 over the Nintendo ... now when it debuts are you gonna have the cash in hand or in bank via Debit to purchase it new (not off the back of a truck)? Are you gonna have the dollars to purchase 2 of the games avail during launch day? furthermore 25GB of memory on a BlueRay Disc .. . do you want to keep forking the dollars for NEW releases at that premium media pricing? Lastly, do you have a huge wide screen TV that supports HDTV resolutions? Just curious if you've considered this. Economies of scale will not help the game media since the estimated initial qtr purchase of the PS3 & games wont help. Furthermore its the only system this generation that uses BlueRay technology, home media players have been delayed.

I will have the cash to purchase one, in hand, yes.

I will probably purchase three games, just as I did for the 360 on launch.

Price is of no concern to me for valuable entertainment. The price of
Blurady discs does not concern me. What concerns me are games with depth, story, and gameplay. Smash Bros has no depth in it's fighting, DOA does. Metroid is awful as far as FPS goes. Halo isn't too bad. And MGS 4 is going to be excellent, just like all of the Metal Gears (the 2nd one WAS pretty kooky).

No, I do not YET have an HDTV but that is in the works. I plan on getting at least a 52" rear projection TV with full HD compatibility (my receiver that I purchased last year already has the I/O for this).

So, my point? Not everyone here has the same attitude toward all other consoles as RaggedJimmi does. There are people that love the 360, like myself, and are looking forward to the PS3, again, like myself.

I can name 3 people that no longer come into the gaming forums, off the top of my head, because of these stupid Sony threads. It gets tiresome. Hell, I'm tired of it. But I'd rather fight than leave, just because it doesn't give the satisfaction to the nay-sayers.

MacRumorUser

Jul 18, 2006, 08:32 AM

Only the ones that have been spewed out time and time and time and time again, such as this one. I've said many times before that I've owned every Nintendo console before, and the GC was the worst of them all. I turned on Nintendo when it turned on its gamers with that particular console.

I respect you for your opinion Oni, and whilst I wont be buying one - it doesnt bother me that others will and have no reason to try and make you change your mind.

Only thing I can pick you up on in that post was the comment about nintendo. That's pretty much EXACTLY how i'm feeling (and others) NOW with Sony. It feels like they a sticking two fingers up at me and dictating to me, rather than pursuading me to buy into PS3. I feel they've got so complacent with their position (as did nintendo) and have turned on the very hand that feeds them.

But to each their own :)

atari1356

Jul 18, 2006, 08:32 AM

So when you consider that the Wii yes it will be cheap, but will have a lwoly 6 titles from EA, doesn't sound too appealing..

How many EA titles do you need? There's only one I'm interested in... but then, I'm not much for sports games.

ChrisK018

Jul 18, 2006, 09:32 AM

I have a HDTV, and as much as I know that Blu-Ray discs should be better (in terms of storage capacity vs. HD-HVD). Sony's track record with Betamax, Mini Discs, and now UMD is not so hot. I have a Sony receiver HD tuner, and TV, so it's not like I'm an anti-Sony hater either. I KNOW that the PS3 will have the FPS and all the other stuff that will make it all swell, but I am really worried that their approach with the PS3 is going to screw them up and send them to Sega land.

I really liked Ico tons, but lost interest in the MGS franchise, DOA, and even the Final Fantasy series is getting a little tired for me, so right now I'm just sort of waiting for the killer app that appeals to my tastes.

That list of Blu Ray discs that are availible? Ugh. Most of that is crap. There might be one or two movies on there that I'd like to see, but usually when the latest and greatest audio & video technology comes they parade the same awful movies. How many Terminator 2 special editions can a person own? It usually takes 2-3 years for the movies I like to make it to a new format.

I don't want Sony to fail at all. I want another Katamari, more innovation and some cool RPGS. More good platforms mean more ideas. I want the Wii and Nintendo to do well so I can play more good games. Right now, with the price tag I'm worried about how well the PS3 will do besides the built-in fanbase.

2nyRiggz

Jul 18, 2006, 09:37 AM

I'm not surprised by this thread....its old at least for me...same s*** different day.

Bless

yellow

Jul 18, 2006, 10:12 AM

Haoshiro

Jul 18, 2006, 10:17 AM

****. I don't know why I even click on the links to read these threads.

Hate hate hate hate hate hate hate.
OK, we get it.
PS3 sucks.
Wii isn't for children.
Xbox 360 iz da ****. It r0xx0rs my s0x0rs.
We get it.
Move ON already.

Sometimes it seems like a giant Sony came to your house, kicked your cat, **** on your pillow, and beat you up.

That wasn't what this thread was about, that is what the replies (like yours) made it about.

If you want to "move on" then don't read the threads, and if you happen to, don't reply to them.

yellow

Jul 18, 2006, 10:19 AM

I'm just curious when the madness will stop.
Thread after thread after thread after thread about how much the PSP, PS3, Blu-Ray, and Sony sucks.
Maybe it's time to take a vacation and play your Wii/Xbox 360/DS Lite/whatever?

2nyRiggz

Jul 18, 2006, 10:20 AM

That wasn't what this thread was about, that is what the replies (like yours) made it about.

Thats the basic of these threads....Sony bad, Look at what Nintendo is doing!, Xbox Rules!....

Bless

ChrisK018

Jul 18, 2006, 10:49 AM

I tried to make it clear with my post (at least) that I'm not hatin' on Sony. Worried? Yes, but I'd be happy if they sell a zillion units and come out with the best games ever. I feel the same way about the Wii and 360.

Mackilroy

Jul 18, 2006, 11:49 AM

Somehow Sony now seems like the Microsoft of the consoles, which is ironic because MS now makes consoles…

Sdashiki

Jul 18, 2006, 12:09 PM

I aint no fanboy, you aint no fanboy.

If you feel the need to spout praise or bile about a specific console, consider yourself a fanboy, and probably a person who should stay the hell away from threads like this.

I play GAMES, I dont play the console.

Nintendo has a lockdown on some of the best games, IMO, like Zelda and SSMB and all that crap.

Sony has a lockdown on the RPG market.

Microsoft has a lockdown on, um, Halo?

If a game is being released that I like, I immediately look at who is offering this game....will it be PS2 strictly or will it port to the XBOX etc?

Honestly, I dont care what its released on, all I care about is whether I actually own the console this game is being released on.

In RPG terms, it means I must buy a PS2 to play any decent RPGs in the past few years. but do I think PS2 rocks because it has all the best RPGs?

Hells no, I think it sucks because of that.

I want to play a specific game, not a specific console.

FPS are a major money maker for consoles. And with that comes ease of interactivity in terms of the controller.

Sony seems content with their double-stacked-SNES-mutation controller.

XBOX seems content with their Dreamcast inspired monstrosity.

Nintendo seems to be not satisfied with anything and tried something new.

IMO Nintendo will have the next lock down on FPS, ease of play doesnt get better than Point and Shoot (without a light gun).

I dont care who puts out the game, if its good Id buy it.

now if its for a console I dont have, Im out of luck. which is what drives the market, especially with console specific games (Nintendos' bread and butter). But if I had all the money in the world, and every console, I wouldnt give a **** about all trash thrown about in these threads and instead focus on the friggen GAMES.

So, in the end are you a fanboy? Do you care what console you own, or do you care what GAMES you own?

ps: a modded original XBOX is the best console IMO...arguements?

Haoshiro

Jul 18, 2006, 12:26 PM

Thats the basic of these threads....Sony bad, Look at what Nintendo is doing!, Xbox Rules!....

Except that no other console was mentioned by the OP! Yes, there was mention of some in the quoted text, but the OP did not even touch on that.

yellow

Jul 18, 2006, 12:36 PM

Except that no other console was mentioned by the OP! Yes, there was mention of some in the quoted text, but the OP did not even touch on that.

We're look at the historical perspective here.

Mackilroy

Jul 18, 2006, 01:04 PM

Perhaps we are, but in the context of this thread it was the Sony fanboys who brought it up, not the Nintendo & Xbox fanboys.

yellow

Jul 18, 2006, 01:10 PM

Perhaps we are, but in the context of this thread it was the Sony fanboys who brought it up, not the Nintendo & Xbox fanboys.

What exactly is "it" in this context?

Mackilroy

Jul 18, 2006, 02:21 PM

yellow

Jul 18, 2006, 02:38 PM

You don't even know your own point?

The OP's topic was to point out that Sony was basically screwing it's developers over the PS3.
My point was to try and ask the OP to give the PS3/Sony bashing a rest for just a little while.

Apparently that makes me a fanboy.

So you win. I'm out. Bash away. Love away. Fanboy away. Anti-fanboy away.

GFLPraxis

Jul 18, 2006, 03:02 PM

Actually, the Sony fanboys who brought it up are...well, Onizuka. I don't know why Mackilroy said it plurally.

Haoshiro

Jul 18, 2006, 03:25 PM

Actually, the Sony fanboys who brought it up are...well, Onizuka. I don't know why Mackilroy said it plurally.

Surely he (Oni) marked this off as another perfectly fine thread that he ruined... sometime he should tell us his count for the week/month/year.

XNine

Jul 18, 2006, 03:35 PM

Actually, the Sony fanboys who brought it up are...well, Onizuka. I don't know why Mackilroy said it plurally.

DING DING DING DING! That's the 18,000th time GFLPRaxis has used the word 'Fanboy' in a sentence! Tell him what he wins Bob!

"He gets exclusive rights to be a nazi anytime he wants to because he's part of an elitist fashion statement. Also, a trip to the city of IDon'tGiveA**** with an all expenses paid shopping trip to the Mall of NoOneCares, dinner for two at Children's Entertainment World, and gets a once in a lifetime picture taken with a monkey named Seymore!"

Excellent Bob! Now tell me how does one miss the entire point of a post, and push it into something else?!

"Well, they usually come in and get all defensive because they know they're beloved brethren are being called out. So they make up silly things, statements, and ideas and such, and say that the opposer made them."

Fascinating Bob.

Well,that's all for now folks. Join us next time when the next flame-war begins!

2nyRiggz

Jul 18, 2006, 03:43 PM

You don't even know your own point? Very well, I'll spell it out. The OP was about Sony. It didn't even mention Nintendo or Microsoft. So, the Sony fanboys bring the other consoles in here to start attempting to prove the PS3 is better, when the fanboys for the other consoles didn't. That clear?

:confused: ......Look its this simple ladies & gents...most post here that include sony on MR is about sony ********* up and then everyone jumps on board to talk about the same S*** over and over again.

The thread was indeed directed to start sony bashing no matter if the thread starter just wanted to talk about it....ALL threads with sony in the name is bashed all the way to wasteland.

Its old now and leave the damn horse alone.

Bless

GFLPraxis

Jul 18, 2006, 03:44 PM

Meh. I'm just ignoring Oni at this point.

This is getting so old.

XNine

Jul 18, 2006, 03:45 PM

This is getting so old.

Finally. Some sensible talk.

TheMonarch

Jul 18, 2006, 03:56 PM

Careful about using projection TVs for videogames... Unless you think permanent life bars give your brand new HDTV character.

paddy

Jul 18, 2006, 03:58 PM

....ALL threads with sony in the name is bashed all the way to wasteland.

I agree. Lets start off by wastelanding this, its gotten a bit out of hand now.

bobber205

Jul 18, 2006, 04:06 PM

hahahaah. Good for sony. ;)

Man. Are they going to regret this...

7on

Jul 18, 2006, 04:24 PM

I think this thread is about Sony employees from their various divisions saying they didn't have high hopes for the PS3. Regardless whether or not Jimmi is a Nintendo fan or not - it does not change the fact that these SOny employees said this. If Oni wants to post a story on how Nintendo employees think the wii will fail then by all means go ahead.

The simple fact why we are seeing all the negative posts about the PS3 is that there IS NO POSITIVE NEWS ABOUT THE PS3! If maybe there was a story about them dropping the price $100 or if it was coming out next month or maybe you get a free baby when you pre-order then we'd get some positive posts about Sony.

If you want positive news about the PS3, you can create new threads here too. Jimmi doesn't have totalitarian control over the gaming forums.

paddy

Jul 18, 2006, 04:32 PM

The simple fact why we are seeing all the negative posts about the PS3 is that there IS NO POSITIVE NEWS ABOUT THE PS3! If maybe there was a story about them dropping the price $100 or if it was coming out next month or maybe you get a free baby when you pre-order then we'd get some positive posts about Sony.

If you want positive news about the PS3, you can create new threads here too. Jimmi doesn't have totalitarian control over the gaming forums.

I think whats bothering people though is the fact that this is old news, development costs too high, rifts within Sony and all that. We've heard it all so much before. If it was new news then I and I'm sure many others would have no problem in seeing it posted.

MacRumorUser

Jul 18, 2006, 05:09 PM

I think at this stage all of you should go and sit in the corner.

Nothing but a bunch of children squabbling in the play ground.

FFS GROW UP :mad:

You post about threads being ruined and then continue to pile post after post of ranting and raving.

Sick & Tired of the Sony bashing? Well I'm sick and tired of all of you at this stage. Nothing but a bunch of kiddies having a pisssing contest :rolleyes:

MJK37

Jul 18, 2006, 05:12 PM

I wonder how all the Nintendo fanboys would feel if the company were purchased by Sony or Microsoft.

I mean you slam Sony at every turn about everthing next you will be saying that the placement of the rubber feet on the bottom of the unit isnt symetrical or something ridiculous like that.

I will admit I find the Wii very interesting but just because the PS3 and Xbox 360 are a different animals that doesnt make them crap. In fact I dont even see Nintendo in Direct competition with Sony and Microsoft I think they are going after 2 different demographics. And no I dont mean Kids and Adults

I think Nintendo has a lot to prove with this console and depending on the games they have for the console they just might prove it.

Once again buy the console you want I dont see the need to justify your purchase with the world when you havent even seen 2 of the 3 consoles yet!

And lets not forget the PC. Direct X 10 I mean have you seen Crysis

This next year should prove to be a good one for gamers everywhere why not enjoy it.

Bottom line instead of bit**ing about a console you dont like and wont buy why dont you spend some time researching the one you do want?

Just a thought

XNine

Jul 18, 2006, 05:13 PM

That's a mighty large location you have there, MRU. I never knew you could fit that many characters in to that box.

MacRumorUser

Jul 18, 2006, 05:28 PM

LOL! :) It's the lyrics to an Inspiral Carpets record :)

bobber205

Jul 18, 2006, 06:22 PM

Nintendo will this generation have the best selling next gen console. Period.

Nintendo, I think, would rather go out of business they be bought by anyone, especially Sony.

I would LOVE to have an xbox 360 for Halo 3 and other online games like Oblivion.

it's a great machine. But the Wii, with my limited time for games, will provide the most bang for my limited buck.

Dagless

Jul 18, 2006, 06:24 PM

LOL! :) It's the lyrics to an Inspiral Carpets record :)

And I truly love that track too. Incidentally I fell in love with the Inspiral Carpets when on holiday in Ireland... have I said before? I copied Devil Hopping to my Sony Minidisc player and enjoyed great music on a great device.

I originally posted this because, as I think I already said (look at thread topic); it all makes sense now. This makes all this crazy nonsense the Sony exec guy has been saying, explains the problems behind the hardware and also cements the rumours and echoes that development for the system has dropped from SNES/PS2 popular to N64/GC popular. does that mean the games for the system will be bad? no. Just like it isn't for the N64 or Gamecube now.

and before people start flinging around the fanboy label (though it seems to have already done it's rounds). I had a PSP, I embraced it's expensive-ness with open arms. I also loved my PS1. the PS2 is the only console of this gen that I have passed on because I found the games and controller bad, IMO of course. I even planned to buy a PS3 in the early days but have been put off myself through the price and the countless bad news spilling from Sony HQ, oh and Kutagari's lies. Other than that I embrace any games device. I'm not picky. I go where the games are, in the early 90's I was with the Amiga, shunning the NES and SNES, I then got a Mega Drive/Genesis, then I got a 64 and PS1. etc. Or is that not what you wanted to hear?

OutThere

Jul 18, 2006, 06:35 PM

The point is, the constant Sony bitching is repetetive and has driven quite a few people from posting in the gaming forum, because that's all they see.

True dat.

I used to frequent the games forums, reading mostly, but posting as well (118 posts here).

Now I'm done...as long as it's "OMG Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!!!!!!!!!!!1 PS3 SUXXXXXX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1"

That gets old.

2nyRiggz

Jul 18, 2006, 07:40 PM

Yvan256

Jul 18, 2006, 08:50 PM

the gamecube should basically be considered a flop by nintendos sales standards. I think that should be noted. No console of this past generation can touch the PS2, in sales and gaming library.

For a long time, the Gamecube was ahead of the Xbox in world-wide sales. They may be 3rd now, but they're still pretty close behind the Xbox.

And unlike Microsoft, Nintendo didn't lose money by selling its consoles.

evangelion-01

Jul 18, 2006, 09:24 PM

ps3 is going down son! viva la wii60!

DarkNetworks

Jul 18, 2006, 09:47 PM

ps3 is going down son! viva la wii60!

lame...

bobber205

Jul 18, 2006, 10:53 PM

ps3 is going down son! viva la wii60!

Awesome! :D

Prom1

Jul 19, 2006, 01:02 AM

With BluRay games still reportedly set to cost around €85 here in Ireland (a staggering $108) it's got a big big job to convince ME or average mum and dad to buy one. Period, especially if rival formats sell the exact same game for €15-20 less. ....I'm old enough to remember all the consoles come and gone, and the ones that failed - NeoGeo,Saturn,Jaguar, 3D0, CDi - I've bore witness to them all and I can see so many similarities between the PS3 current marketability and all these failures.

Well said! inflation on property taxes or lifestyle of living for the middle income family's or bachelor hasnt gone up that fast to justify 85 British pounds for 1 game (probably a single player anyway).

We've all heard it before with the great graphics, more power before ... but the graphics that I see in Metroid Prime 2 Echoes impress me more than the any World of Warcraft I've seen. Just take a walk through the venting pipes or come up from a lagoon and see how the water clings to the visor. But its more FUN to play this game than I've seen other 1st person shooters, REGARDLESS of button layout - I can adjust I'm human - but the ideal reason for any gaming system is ENTERTAINMENT, enjoyment of playing not the 1st 3 weeks of ooh and ahh of the graphics. I just finished MP2 Echoes and I gaurantee that if I play it again from the beginning I'm gonna be SHOCKED all over again & startled in some scenes; that is enticing yet FUN to me.

Dont mention movies currently available on Blu-Ray because NO MOVIE EVER made is capable of utilizing that kind of resolution. Most actors boycott films that are predestined to be in HD-DVD format from filming because it brings out the pox worse than current make-up (even airbrushing techniques) can cover up; that means sexy stars that you think are hot wont look that great. I can think of ONLY 2 movies that would woo me on Blu-Ray format (Underworld2 & that new one with that supermodel gone actress - the one where her hair changes color; just came out on DVD with the gemafobe dude).

Nintendo has bar none MORE fanchises and more games in its vault history than ANY other company; rest assured. Their bringing that back with old & new titles from Sega as well - they now own those licenses. Many PS3/2 fans will back at it. I'm not talking about playing PONG to have fun ... but I bet ALL of us would know the tune for SuperMario 1; or Donkey Kong, or even CONTRA! Now I bet if we stopped over at a pals house and 3 of our buds was playing ANY of those games either buzzin on boos or sober just having a ball we'd wanna join in too.

Nintendo has NEVER forgotten this arena of playing for fun. This is why the GameBoy Classic outsold teh Sega Gamegear, why the DS outsells the PSP in Japan. Why their the first to natively support wireless controllers, go to a smaller disc; something I heard was the original project of the PS3 originally. Nintendo is the FIRST game maker to make a learning experience from a study into a game that is actually FUN - NEW CONCEPT! Their doing daring things that work that expand their TARGET Market & appeal to the MASS market; for profits and market share. They fight for the fanbase not lock them in with exclusive titles - unless its a franchise they themselves created.

BTW, EAS isnt gonna be the top tear for long ... there's always newcomers to break the mold.

jamesi

Jul 19, 2006, 01:35 AM

i think its obvious that sony is going for the bleedin edge here. they may encounter problems selling the product, but at least they will go down in gaming history that they really did the best they could to further the development of hardware for video games. let the ppl chose what they want, if you dont want a ps3 then dont get one.

jamesi

Jul 19, 2006, 01:38 AM

ddrueckhammer

Jul 19, 2006, 02:06 AM

i also think it should be said that nintendo is hiding behind their former glory and should be coming up with some new ideas. being able to play all of the classic games is cool and all but....i think nintendo can do better than that.

I'll agree that they overuse Mario a bit too much but they are coming up with new ideas. Lets see, on GC there were games like Eternal Darkness and Pikmin 2 (which is fairly new compared to Mario). And the Wii has, Project H.A.M.M.E.R., Disaster: Day of Crisis, Wii Sports, Wii Music, and Excite Truck (Ok so its a rehash of Excite Bike but I can give them the benefit of the doubt). Who knows if any of these will sell but Nintendo does develop new ideas. Of course they will continue to put out new Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Smash Brothers,and Resident Evil games. This is their bread and butter and they are all excellent franchises. I bet Square will continue to make Final Fantasy games and in a few years we will be seeing Halo 9 from Microsoft....

Also, from reading articles on IGN and elsewhere publishers like Activision and EA are already embracing the new control schemes in their titles. For Example, Madden 2007 and CoD3. Nintendo is trying to bring more of these developers to their platform by lowering developer fees and development costs and increasing the user base by keeping hardware and software costs down. Also, there are some interesting third-party titles such as Trauma Center (DS and Wii) which embrace Nintendo's new technologies that would have never worked on another system.

Dagless

Jul 19, 2006, 06:18 AM

As predicted everyone sees the critical messages but nobody reads my diplomatic ones :rolleyes:

Haoshiro

Jul 19, 2006, 07:25 AM

At this point I think what we are being told is nobody (Onizuka and 2nyRiggz?) wants a thread that even has the word "Sony" in it because it will attract bashers, heh.

Yes, fanatics do emerge when you name a console brand, but people don't seem to realize that blindly defending them doesn't actually improve the thread... at least not when the defense is just more bashing.

Let's think about what happens here:
- Thread gets posted
- Someone sees thread and thinks "oh no! this thread is going to be full of CompanyX bashing!!!"
- Reply gets posted: "You suck! CompanyY sucks! Hater! Fanboy!"
- Someone sees reply and thinks "oh no! Someone and CompanyY is being bashed! What a hater! What a fanboy!"
- Reply gets posted: "You suck! CompanyX sucks! Hater! Fanboy! CompanyZ is the best anyway!"
- ... rinse, wash, repeat.

Now as you can see the initial reply is actually what caused the war, because the poster seemed to want to be pre-emptive, but in the end caused what he/she was reacting too.

It's silly, if you think about it.

maxi

Jul 19, 2006, 09:15 AM

Dont mention movies currently available on Blu-Ray because NO MOVIE EVER made is capable of utilizing that kind of resolution. Most actors boycott films that are predestined to be in HD-DVD format from filming because it brings out the pox worse than current make-up (even airbrushing techniques) can cover up; that means sexy stars that you think are hot wont look that great. I can think of ONLY 2 movies that would woo me on Blu-Ray format (Underworld2 & that new one with that supermodel gone actress - the one where her hair changes color; just came out on DVD with the gemafobe dude).

Actually, that's plain wrong. Film has much, much more resolution than any of these digital formats. You can transfer film to pretty much whatever resolution you want. I'm not sure about the limit resolution in which grain begins to really show, but it surely isn't 1080p.
Now, the way sony is handling Blu Ray right now is not pretty: they are only using the smaller (1 layer) capacity discs cause they can't get large enough yields of the others, and are using the older MPEG-2 encoding AND horrible transfers. The result: cheaper HD-DVD is mopping the floor with BluRay quality-wise, and the bad news are that in a best case scenario Blu Ray movies will be of the same quality as the HD-DVD ones, not any better (more extras, maybe... but both the resolution and the available bandwidths will be on par).
This format war will be interesting... :)

ChrisK018

Jul 19, 2006, 09:16 AM

Let's think about what happens here:
- Thread gets posted
- Someone sees thread and thinks "oh no! this thread is going to be full of CompanyX bashing!!!"
- Reply gets posted: "You suck! CompanyY sucks! Hater! Fanboy!"
- Someone sees reply and thinks "oh no! Someone and CompanyY is being bashed! What a hater! What a fanboy!"
- Reply gets posted: "You suck! CompanyX sucks! Hater! Fanboy! CompanyZ is the best anyway!"
- ... rinse, wash, repeat.

You forgot:

-Diplomatic "it's about the games" posts.
-Non-diplomatic games posts (ie. the classic "Nintendo games are for kiddies")
-Please be civil about this debate posts.
-Stop arguing about the same ***** over and over again posts.
-You misunderstood what I meant posts.

I still like the game forum more than finding out about the latest iTunes updates and rumors about the latest processor Ghz speed bump.