r u mad at Sony for bringing death to Sega?

[sam10685]

i was just watching video's at youtube and some really hate sony for killing sega. (i know sega is not completely dead... only in the hardware business.) i was just wondering what ur thoughts are. from what i hear, nintendo is going to wipe out sony this round. will u be mad at nintendo now or will it be a case of "you deserved it."?

[supremedesigner]

i was just watching video's at youtube and some really hate sony for killing sega. (i know sega is not completely dead... only in the hardware business.) i was just wondering what ur thoughts are. from what i hear, nintendo is going to wipe out sony this round. will u be mad at nintendo now or will it be a case of "you deserved it."?

Well, not mad but a bit disappointed. SEGA had a good hardware business and great games, too. (Crazy Taxi, Soul Calibur, and triple A games, etc.) It's just that EA don't support SEGA and that's how SEGA got hurt and lost the battle against PS2.

No I won't be mad at Nintendo though. They have something cool to offer what PS3 don't have. :D

[mkaake]

As long as there's more than 1 console producer, I'm okay with it *shrugs shoulders*. Spent more time with the SNES and NES than anything Sega, until I picked up a genesis last year. It's okay, but I'm not mad that they're software now either...

[xli_ne]

nintendo isn't going to knock out sony.

[paddy]

nintendo isn't going to knock out sony.

Maybe not knock them out but they'll deal them a few hefty blows.

[Killyp]

I don't think Sony have what it takes to get them through this 'round' (generation) of games warfare. The PS3 is hugely overpriced, and the released screenshots aren't too impressive. The damn thing also looks like a bad rip off of a B&O design...

Nintendo have their own market, and I may get a Wii myself, as they seem quite good fun (when I have space in my room to prance around).

Microsoft seem to be the only group who have a firm hold of their market. XBox users want more of the same (Halo, Fable etc...) and that's what the 360 does really well. It's not that expensive, the games are much the same as the original XBox (which is what I along with everyone else I know who has an XBox wants) and they also got ahead of everyone else and released the 360 quite a bit earlier than Sony or Nintendo release their consoles.

[XNine]

It was Sega's fault, not Sony's. If sega's console wasn't a piece of junk (yes, i owned a dreamcast), and the games were decent (they had some good titles, but not many), then they wouldn't have failed. Ever play Gun Valkyrie? The controls were simply awful, and I found that to be true of a lot of the Dreamcast games, regardless of developer.

[Haoshiro]

While I do believe Sony's false hype-machine surrounding the PS2 (read: lies) did help facilitate the demise of the Dreamcast I don't think it is 100% there fault.

The problems that likely really kept it from competing, to me, are:
- Very poor anti-piracy measures. There was a HUGE amount of DC pirating once an easy way was figured out to do it. Looking up "Dreamcast" on the internet back then pretty much yielded only piracy resources. If someone said this wasn't large enough to hurt the DC, they'd be lying.
- No DVD-ROM drive. If they had of went with DVD over GD-ROMs there would not have been the "PS2 is a DVD player too" advantage for Sony. The PS2 was released at the perfect time to catch the growing DVD craze. If DC had DVD support *it* could have capitalized on this more then PS2.

So in general Sony's direct lies upset me, but I'm not going to dillute myself into thinking that is the sole reason my "favorite" console died.

Plus, I rather like the multi-platform Sega we have now, being able to pickup Sega games on other systems, and have Sonic Adventure sitting next to Super Mario Sunshine both for GameCube is something I'd never have thought would happen.

[DarkNetworks]

i'm not mad at sony and i'll never be...it's not worth it...;)

[flyfish29]

I agree, the DVD issue noted above, piracy, and EA's lack of support really made the hard blow to Sega. I also think the DVD player part had a big role in helping many more people get into gaming consoles. I know many people who convinced their significant other that they could kill two birds with one stone getting a PS2. (I know I was one of them!) My wife took the bait and off I went buying a PS2 at launch. It was my first DVD player (and really my only one to date. I have DVD on both my Macs but no real true DVD only player still. I watch most of my Tv on TIVO anyway now.

Sega didnt' have a niche really like Nintendo so they couldn't compete as well with Sony.

[greatdevourer]

nintendo isn't going to knock out sony. Precisely - Sony shot themselves in the foot more than enough times for anyone to need to do it for them :)

[Natsus]

Onizuka is correct. It is Sega's own fault for its failure. If you look at Sega's history, they have great ideas but made poor business decisions. Just look at their voltron like console back in the 90's. There's the Genesis (the actual system) plus the 32x, sega cd.. all at the price of one system for each add-on. Who in their right mind came up with that idea!?

The Dreamcast was a step in the right decision but only a small one. Sega unfortunately dropped the ball again. They released the system at an odd time. Some say it was too early, some say it was too late. They also didn't have any protection against piracy. Sure, you could pirate the PS2, but rarely were you able to play pirated games right out of the box like the Dreamcast could.

So sure. The PS2 was one of the causes, but it certainly wasn't the only cause. It was only one of the nails in Sega's coffin. In fact, if you want to put the blame on anyone other than Sega, it would be the Xbox and Gamecube. It was their impending release that made Sega realize that they could not compete with all these companies with large pockets.

[Core Trio]

So much hate for Sony on this forum

I dont know about you guys but my PS2 has been going strong since launch and I have no gripes about it or sony. After the initial craze dies down, I intend to get a PS3

[2nyRiggz]

Sega Did themselves in...wish it didn't happen but yeah. PS2 came in and did what it had to....sell and become the best. Nope I'm not mad at any company for trying to be the top of the game.

Would wish Sega was still in it though....always liked them except that damn sega CD.


Bless

[poppe]

Those people are youtube are just ignorant most likely. If you have G4 and can see Game Makers, once and awhile they show the history of Sega. If you want to see shooting yourself in the foot... They kinda just kept making one wrong decision after another (from what I can tell after watching that show)...

I dont think sony will get knocked down. I believe they could eventually hurt themselves, but those japenese love their products to much for it to ever die down now that its so big...

Let alone, Sony has fanboys like Apple does. Defend it to the death. I mean really if Xbox 360 charged as much and had a blue ray in it, while the Sony was cheaper and had HD-DVD, do you really think all the semi loving XBOX 360 people would be defending it to the death. Sony has a backing that even with its PS2 DVD hardware issue, and there CD putting crap on your computer, and now the Blue Ray laser being in shortage - people still defend it like their new born.

[mattcube64]

Woah, gotta defend my beloved Dreamcast here. First off, Sony's lies destroyed the Dreamcast. Anything the PS2 can do, minus play DVDs (which was to be an add-on for the DC), the DC can do. I personally think the DC was just as powerful, if not more so, than the PS2. The only reason PS2 games look as well as they do now, is because developers have been working for the console for 6+ years. I vividly remember playing my friend's launch PS2, and thinking, "Boy, my DC looks BETTER than this!"

Also, the PS2 couldn't do everthing the DC could out of the box, either.

Four controller ports
Built-in modem
web browser
not get DREs, lol, I'm just throwing that in for fun

The Dreamcast was an exceptional system, that was WAY ahead of its time, especially for the price. However, I really can't see 4 companies competing, and someone had to go. Personally, in the end, no matter how you slice it, the Sega systems were sure to someday fade away.

However, I truly believe we will see another Sega system in the three console generations after the PS3/360/Wii generation.

[MovieCutter]

No, but I'm a little embarrassed that you can't type complete three letter words...:rolleyes:

[celebrian23]

I loved my original sega genesis...actually I still have it and use it :) It's awesome. :p

[Dagless]

Am I mad at Sony for helping bring the death of Sega? not really.

Sega had it coming themselves. I was a huge fan of Sega back in the day, the Mega Drive being my console of choice. Spent many days/years playing only a handful of games including Streets of Rage 2, Sonic 1 and Sonic 2. But as they grew up and transitioned to 3D they lost the magic. No 3D Sonic game can match a 2D Sonic game. There just wasn't this continuation, something Nintendo kept running.

Old Sega and New Sega are such different entities, it changed after the Mega Drive.

I say this as a huge fan of Dreamcast though. Certainly in my 2nd tear of consoles alongside the PS1 and NES. There were just such "japanese" games, such crazy little games like Rival Schools, some Gem fighting game, Chu Chu rocket etc that really lit up the machine for me. I really enjoy it and frequently jump back for some fighting games. Which I think is really where the Dreamcast highlighted IMO.

[Haoshiro]

...and EA's lack of support really made the hard blow to Sega.

Perhaps it's just me but I don't think that was really a problem worth noting. I, personally, enjoyed the Sega Sports/Visual Concepts sports games much more then any of the EA games at the time.

I really think their own sports games beat out EA's offerings when they were released. The EA games are stronger now, but back then I didn't think so (originally that would have been comparing PS1 to Dreamcast sports games, with the DC the clear winner in my book).

[greatdevourer]

The Dreamcast was a step in the right decision That, however, was not. Step in the right direction. Alongside the thread title and the constant use of "there" instead of "their" has made this thread language-retarded

[BoyBach]

r u mad at Sony for bringing death to Sega?."?

Yeah I am, the bastards! ;)

Seriously though, Sega killed themselves as a hardware manufacturer, and the signs were there with release of the MegaCD that they weren't going to last much longer.

As for Nintendo bringing down Sony this generation, maybe, nothing last's forever.

[Dagless]

...As for Nintendo bringing down Sony this generation, maybe, nothing last's forever.

Exactly. Nintendo took a blow after the NES and SNES with the PS1, and now Sony are following exactly in Nintendo's footsteps into another N64.

[ChrisK018]

How fun. Let's spread some more blame around.

Who can we blame for killing Coleco-vision, Intellevison and Atari?

Capitalism? Poor pricing and business planning? Bad Luck?

[flyfish29]

So much hate for Sony on this forum

I dont know about you guys but my PS2 has been going strong since launch and I have no gripes about it or sony. After the initial craze dies down, I intend to get a PS3
I agree- my Rev. 1 PS2 is doing great- considering it doubles as my only dvd player for my tv!


Perhaps it's just me but I don't think that was really a problem worth noting. I, personally, enjoyed the Sega Sports/Visual Concepts sports games much more then any of the EA games at the time.

I really think their own sports games beat out EA's offerings when they were released. The EA games are stronger now, but back then I didn't think so (originally that would have been comparing PS1 to Dreamcast sports games, with the DC the clear winner in my book).

You make a very valid point- I never said EA was making the best games- I said they didn't support Sega's console- big difference. The casual gamer didn't realize Sega's sports games had so much to offer- therfore the casual gamer just looked at Sega and said wow, they don't have the best sports games(because most casual gamers thought EA was the best). In fact, they weren't the best, just the biggest. But when the best known name doesn't support a console the console struggles with the casual gamer (and parents who are purchasing the console for thier child as a present.)

[Natsus]

That, however, was not. Step in the right direction. Alongside the thread title and the constant use of "there" instead of "their" has made this thread language-retarded
whoops.. that was a bad mistake. I apologize as I do hate it when I see the constant misuse of their and they're, however I think you need to cut some people some slack. Despite the typo, I think I made a valid point.

[greatdevourer]

whoops.. that was a bad mistake. I apologize as I do hate it when I see the constant misuse of their and they're, however I think you need to cut some people some slack. Despite the typo, I think I made a valid point. Sorry bout that :p

[sk1985]

No, sega hasn't been cool since the genesis. The saturn had a hand full of good titles and so did the dreamcast. I will say the few titles liked on both systems were pure gold. Those few games are some of the best games made for their respected generations of gaming (some I'd rank on my 10 ten favorites list of all time!). The last really good sega games to come out (at least in my mind) would be shenmue 2 for the Xbox and dreamcast, Jet Set Radio Future and maybe even GUNVALKYRIE. I also can't forget Panzer Dragoon Orta (one of the best rail-shooters ever and maybe the last great sega game to come out). Why sega disbanded smilebit and all their other studios is beyond me. They only kept their lame Sonic Team around. Seriously smilebit pumped out way better games then the sonic team has in the last 5 years. At least they kept AM2 around.

Seriously sega is lame now. No one killed sega. They just put out lame titles and got bought out by some lame ass company. The dreamcast was a cool system, but it simply wasn't competitive enough. They'd have too many long streaks without any killer apps and desirable games. Being a one time loyal sega fan I can say no one killed sega other then their poor management and horrible up keep of their key franchises (sonic has gone down the toilet and so has shinobi). Nintendo at least has it right and they baby their key franchises and make sure they don't bring super inferior products out on the market.

[sam10685]

No, but I'm a little embarrassed that you can't type complete three letter words...:rolleyes:

dude-- R and U... they're easier to type.

edit: yeah... u could save thousands of man-hours just typing R or U insted of ARE or YOU. and everybody still knows what u mean.

[Haoshiro]

No, sega hasn't been cool since the genesis. The saturn had a hand full of good titles and so did the dreamcast. I will say the few titles liked on both systems were pure gold. Those few games are some of the best games made for their respected generations of gaming (some I'd rank on my 10 ten favorites list of all time!). The last really good sega games to come out (at least in my mind) would be shenmue 2 for the Xbox and dreamcast, Jet Set Radio Future and maybe even GUNVALKYRIE. I also can't forget Panzer Dragoon Orta (one of the best rail-shooters ever and maybe the last great sega game to come out). Why sega disbanded smilebit and all their other studios is beyond me. They only kept their lame Sonic Team around. Seriously smilebit pumped out way better games then the sonic team has in the last 5 years. At least they kept AM2 around.

Seriously sega is lame now. No one killed sega. They just put out lame titles and got bought out by some lame ass company. The dreamcast was a cool system, but it simply wasn't competitive enough. They'd have too many long streaks without any killer apps and desirable games. Being a one time loyal sega fan I can say no one killed sega other then their poor management and horrible up keep of their key franchises (sonic has gone down the toilet and so has shinobi). Nintendo at least has it right and they baby their key franchises and make sure they don't bring super inferior products out on the market.

When you consider the short lifespan of the Dreamcast, I don't think this is a very valid point.

The reason I say this is because I don't believe many consoles have ever had that much "pure gold" within the first year of the system life.

Depending on who you talk to, Dreamcast had as many great games in it's couple years then the Xbox had in its entirety. I loved my Xbox, but there was only a handful of exclusive games that were must-have for me. Being a Halo fan, that was pretty much enough to keep the system alive for me.

So all I'm saying is that only have a handful of good/great games is pretty normal, successful console or not. Dreamcast, though, did tend to be more Arcade oriented (as Sega is really an arcade company) so there is that contrast with other systems. Some people love arcade, some don't.

[greatdevourer]

dude-- R and U... they're easier to type.

edit: yeah... u could save thousands of man-hors just typing R or U insted of ARE or YOU. and everybody still knows what u mean. Man whores? :eek:

[BoyBach]

How fun. Let's spread some more blame around.

Who can we blame for killing Coleco-vision, Intellevison and Atari?

Capitalism? Poor pricing and business planning? Bad Luck?


No, 'twas the Romans what did them in! :D

p.s. Atari is still going, it's just the new brand name/front for the French company Infrogames

[sam10685]

Man whores? :eek:

oops. man-hours. i need to learn to type.

[GFLPraxis]

I don't think Sony really 'killed' Sega, they just cut the last lifeline.


The Sega Genesis did well. The Sega 32X and CDX addons failed miserably. The Game Gear failed. The Sega Saturn failed horribly. Sega's last shot at survival, the Dreamcast, was the only one affected by Sony, and EA delivered half of the death blow by refusing support.

[GFLPraxis]

dude-- R and U... they're easier to type.

edit: yeah... u could save thousands of man-hours just typing R or U insted of ARE or YOU. and everybody still knows what u mean.

But you sound like a moron when you type that way. On the internet, the only judge people have of you is what you type and how you type it.

[BurtonCCC]

I'd just like to say that, in my opinion, Sega Sports games absolutely blew games like Madden out of the water.

Daniel.

[Foxglove9]

It's completely Sega's fault, though I still love Sega deep down and maybe even more than I love Nintendo.

The only thing I hate Sony for is killing the 2-D platform genre on the console.

[Dagless]

It's completely Sega's fault, though I still love Sega deep down and maybe even more than I love Nintendo.

The only thing I hate Sony for is killing the 2-D platform genre on the console.

Not really their fault, and they did have SotN. But yea... I miss 2D. thats why I love handhelds so much.

[Jovian9]

I'd just like to say that, in my opinion, Sega Sports games absolutely blew games like Madden out of the water.

Daniel.

Agreed! I was amazed at how much more "realistic" sports games on the Dreamcast were than EA games on other systems. Plus a majority of my Sega Genesis playing was actually sports games which were EA b/c they played so much better than on the SNES.

I haven't liked EA games as much since the Dreamcast b/c I actually felt like the Sega Sports games actually were competitive in a realistic way whereas the EA games will just make you fumble 3X in a row to make the game seem competitive (gotta love how bad Madden has gotten over the years). :)

[Jovian9]

I don't think Sony really 'killed' Sega, they just cut the last lifeline.


The Sega Genesis did well. The Sega 32X and CDX addons failed miserably. The Game Gear failed. The Sega Saturn failed horribly. Sega's last shot at survival, the Dreamcast, was the only one affected by Sony, and EA delivered half of the death blow by refusing support.

I agree. Sega really hurt themselves with all the add-ons/systems b/t Genesis and Dreamcast. I would lay the blame as:

65% Sega's fault for their blunders

10% Sony's fault for using DVD's instead of cd's or what the Dreamcast used and for the "hype" machine that is Sony Playstation marketing

10% Microsoft's fault for adding another player into the mix that could afford to buy their way in

5% Nintendo's fault for releasing such a good/cheaper system and for always battling Sega

5% EA's fault for not working with the Dreamcast

5% gamers fault for not realizing how good of a system the Dreamcast was


There is no room for 4 consoles/companies. Everyone thinks the GC did poorly but even though sales were not as strong as the PS2/Xbox it made money. Sega would not have been able to compete with the deep pockets of Nintendo/Sony/Microsoft.

But I did love all my Sega systems. I only got rid of them and my Nintendo systems so that I could buy the iMac G4 when it was first released :)

[sk1985]

There is no room for 4 consoles/companies. Everyone thinks the GC did poorly but even though sales were not as strong as the PS2/Xbox it made money. Sega would not have been able to compete with the deep pockets of Nintendo/Sony/Microsoft.

The Xbox and the GC have been neck to neck since the start. They've both sold around 20 to 22 million consoles. Both are pretty successful. The only reason why peeps think the XBOX is so huge is from it's aggressive marketing.

[greatdevourer]

The Xbox and the GC have been neck to neck since the start. They've both sold around 20 to 22 million consoles. Both are pretty successful. The only reason why peeps think the XBOX is so huge is from it's aggressive marketing. And because a lot of Americans think that the American market reflects the world market. While there are far more XBs than GCs, the situation is reversed in the east

[Dagless]

The Xbox and the GC have been neck to neck since the start. They've both sold around 20 to 22 million consoles. Both are pretty successful. The only reason why peeps think the XBOX is so huge is from it's aggressive marketing.

I've been constantly amazed at how well Nintendo have done considering they never advertise. It's only recently with the DS that I've seen actual adverts. Now Microsoft. they were everywhere. yet they only managed to scrape above the Cube with viscous advertising and the only real online system for consoles. without them, where would the Xbox be?

I trust Nintendo will advertise the Wii like mad. Just to get their new message across to non-gamers.

[Mackilroy]

I r not mad at Sony for killing Sega

I never really cared about Sega – never owned a single Sega system or game, so if they vanished off the face of the Earth tomorrow, other than the jobs that would be lost, I wouldn't bat an eye.

[GFLPraxis]

I've been constantly amazed at how well Nintendo have done considering they never advertise. It's only recently with the DS that I've seen actual adverts. Now Microsoft. they were everywhere. yet they only managed to scrape above the Cube with viscous advertising and the only real online system for consoles. without them, where would the Xbox be?

I trust Nintendo will advertise the Wii like mad. Just to get their new message across to non-gamers.

Never advertise? What do you think this is?
http://gameads.gamepressure.com/tv_game_commercial.asp?ID=2713
Or the thousand other nintendo adverts on that website?

[paddy]

I r not mad at Sony for killing Sega

I never really cared about Sega – never owned a single Sega system or game, so if they vanished off the face of the Earth tomorrow, other than the jobs that would be lost, I wouldn't bat an eye.

Your loss.

[Mackilroy]

Your loss.

Not really – a lot of my friends had Sega games that I would try from time to time and they just didn't hold my interest. ;)

[Dagless]

Never advertise? What do you think this is?
http://gameads.gamepressure.com/tv_game_commercial.asp?ID=2713
Or the thousand other nintendo adverts on that website?

never seen that. The only Cube advert I ever saw was the original Gaming Cubed one, with the X-Wing flying around some office block, or something. Oh and for a handheld the last advert I remember was the Mario World "96 levels above your friends".

All changed with the DS though. I'm seeing DS sponsored TV shows (they practically sponsor Channel 4's evening comedy) and TV ads very often.

[m3notyou]

Damn sony killing my favorite console...:(

f*&(ing bastards I hope ps3 flops...(and it will)

[MacRumorUser]

Public apapthy, bad history with sega 32x, mega cd and saturn failures, and a heap of bull **** from Sony are all to blame.

Ironically some things come back to bite and Sony faces many of the problems with public apathy, people not believing the bull **** anymore and poor history of home entertainment/console hybrid - the il fated and very poorly received psx in Japan

I still love my dreamcast though, i play it at least once a week, and i'm saddly addicted to Wetrix +, and love that game so so so so much.....

The sequel Aqua Aqua on the ps2 destroyed the franchise.

[GFLPraxis]

Damn sony killing my favorite console...:(

f*&(ing bastards I hope ps3 flops...(and it will)

Sony is only one of the various factors. The successions of flops (Game Gear, Sega CD, 32X, Saturn) hurt them a lot and the crippling blow was probably EA refusing to support the system. Sony just delivered the finishing move.

Blame EA, really. Everyone knew Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sega were competitors by default and would fight to the death. EA is the one that had a choice, and chose to hang Sega out to dry.

Oh, and this thread is a month old. Why'd you bring it back up?