Leopard WWDC DVD Leaked [Archive]

AJ Muni

Aug 12, 2006, 02:23 PM

I'm not implementing any type of piracy or illegal activities, but I was on digg.com, and read these forums (http://forum.insanelymac.com/index.php?showtopic=24341&st=0&p=162005&#entry162005) and it seems that the install dvd has been leaked. I wonder how stable it is..

amacgenius

Aug 12, 2006, 02:27 PM

Most of the torrents are no longer working, so I don't know how good of a story this is.

Still searching for my copy ;). I uhh...lost the disc somewhere.

LoveMacMini

Aug 12, 2006, 03:25 PM

umm why is this news, ofcourse it's going to get leaked lol

welcome to piracy in the real world

Peace

Aug 12, 2006, 03:27 PM

Most of the torrents are no longer working, so I don't know how good of a story this is.

Still searching for my copy ;). I uhh...lost the disc somewhere.

Apple knows about these torrents..I'm guessing they are being shut down as we type.

pianodude123

Aug 12, 2006, 03:38 PM

oh well...

Cannot find it...

A linky would be helpful.

Ja Di ksw

Aug 12, 2006, 03:50 PM

oh well...

Cannot find it...

A linky would be helpful.

A link to the software? Please don't ask for anything illegal on these boards.

Soulstorm

Aug 12, 2006, 03:55 PM

LoveMacMini

Aug 12, 2006, 04:02 PM

Mr. Dee

Aug 12, 2006, 04:46 PM

I really never understood why some people are so eager to lay their hands on a product, that will risk the integrity of the system just to be able to see something that the rest of the world will see anyway in a few months!!

If you install it on a dedicated partition, it will not risk the integrity of your existing system, thats how most developers are doing it now, even the guy from techpedia. You just need to know what you are doing.

projectle

Aug 12, 2006, 04:58 PM

I dont know what the big deal is.

Remember, Apple's Legal Department will be working mondo overtime today and for the next week or so sending out letters and e-mails to everyone on the planet threatening legal action for distribution.

Given how big Leopard is, I seriously doubt that you would be able to download it before the site is shut down.

zap2

Aug 12, 2006, 05:05 PM

I'd LOVE one, but i could never steal it.. the hassle of a stolen OS.. my whole computer would depend on something that was stolen.. i just don't like it

viccles

Aug 12, 2006, 05:16 PM

Wow cant they wait for the new OS? Its not too long now.

LoveMacMini

Aug 12, 2006, 05:21 PM

sigh, i already have it

waiting for the patches so i can install it on my thinkpad

steve_hill4

Aug 12, 2006, 05:26 PM

From those that have a copy and have used it, it appears to have some minor bugs with it, but nothing major to report.

I think when people want to get their hands on a copy of an upcoming OS, it's more out of curiosity and wanting to learn about the product than anything malicious. If I were to obtain a copy, it would purely be for learning and it wouldn't replace my current system on my main machine. I'd still be eager to get it as soon as it was released too.

If I were Apple, I would be more interested in going after the developer that leaked this in the first place anyway.

lamina

Aug 12, 2006, 05:28 PM

I bet Steve is crying to his therapist right now.

Also, I can't see Apple releasing something like a beta OS to developers without putting some sort of tracking app in it. I just can't picture Apple not wanting to have ultimate control or knowledge of use of the beta. They must know it will be leaked.

slooksterPSV

Aug 12, 2006, 05:42 PM

I wish regular ADC members (free membership) could get a copy of it. :( I want to try it out, but I can wait =D, there'll be more and better stuff in the actual release, who knows, maybe they'll combine iLife 07 and Mac OS X Leopard for those of us who have to buy Leopard hehe.

LoveMacMini

Aug 12, 2006, 05:50 PM

See that would make too much sense, letting everyone test out a beta operating system and getting more feedback is just insanity. :rolleyes:

AvSRoCkCO1067

Aug 12, 2006, 06:01 PM

See that would make too much sense, letting everyone test out a beta operating system and getting more feedback is just insanity. :rolleyes:

Right...because clearly, that's helped Vista come so far so fast in recent months...:p

(I actually agree with you - but you've got to admit, it's not doing much for Microsoft at the moment...)

viccles

Aug 12, 2006, 06:14 PM

Ok for someone whos used it...whats it like?

projectle

Aug 12, 2006, 06:53 PM

It is pre-release software that is still 7 months away from shipping.
It has issues, you will have problems, do not use it on anything that you need to remain remotely stable 1 out of every 471 minutes.

Fine, I have not tried it, however hopefully in the next few days I will as Apple will hopefully be posting it to ADC.

Either way, I have no intention of putting it on my personal computer or work computer... It will go in the testing enviroment where it belongs for the forseeable future.

slooksterPSV

Aug 12, 2006, 08:42 PM

puckhead193

Aug 12, 2006, 08:47 PM

Wow cant they wait for the new OS? Its not too long now.
yes it is a long time. I would love to see these features but it not worth screwing up your machine. I can't wait to see more new features. Apple is going to kill my credit card over the next few months. :D

ReanimationLP

Aug 12, 2006, 10:46 PM

I have one word for you.

Arr.

That is all. :D

projectle

Aug 12, 2006, 11:02 PM

Arr matie, I be feelin' the urge to get me that fuzzy cat!

All this talk about Leopards in the wild is really upsetting because us Devs that pay our $500 per year still can't download it from connect.apple.com, and probably woln't have access until next Friday.

If only I could somehow morally justify stealing something that I no doubt should have access to and will have in the next few days...

Apple, I do not want to do something bad, so hurry up and post your fuzzy cat to ADC so us developers do not have to result to drastic measures to get our next fix!

LoveMacMini

Aug 13, 2006, 12:53 AM

Look, the beta is free, and there are no serial numbers to enter.

If you're a developer, or a curious user, and want to get it by any means necessary then you shouldn't feel bad about it. It's just a bloody DVD of a beta OS.

Now if you wanted to steal the final OS then I would poo poo on you, but this is just a beta guys.

iMeowbot

Aug 13, 2006, 01:04 AM

Look, the beta is free, and there are no serial numbers to enter.
The free ADC memberships don't include access to prerelease operating systems, that's only for paying customers. The terms don't really allow discussion of the software details, much less redistribution.

LoveMacMini

Aug 13, 2006, 01:11 AM

I'll shut up now since this thread is less about Leopard and more about ethics.

I don't have any so yarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

shadowmoses

Aug 13, 2006, 03:27 AM

I have thought about downlaoding this and trying it out, but there are 2 things putting me off,

1. Can't be bothered to mess up my MB running an apparently buggy Pre-Alpha standard OS release
2. I am looking forward to the surprise of trying out all new final release Leopard in 2007 and this would somewhat ruin the experience.....

Saying this it would be fun to give it a go on an external disc, :D but i'm going to resist,

SHadoW

Sky Blue

Aug 13, 2006, 07:04 AM

Obviously you'll need a dual layer DVD burner to copy this to DVD.

majorp

Aug 13, 2006, 07:47 AM

Obviously you'll need a dual layer DVD burner to copy this to DVD.

arggg, so the 3.2gb is fake......great

waste of time

macg4

Aug 13, 2006, 09:11 AM

i figured it would be only a matter of time before it was leaked out somewhere

slooksterPSV

Aug 13, 2006, 02:41 PM

I could give those people who released the 3.2GB Fake one a hug right now. Don't steal software!

lamina

Aug 13, 2006, 07:58 PM

Its 4.3 gigs, but I read somewhere that once the .dmg is mounted, it expands to something over 5gb. So yes, you will need a dual-layer DVD.

projectle

Aug 13, 2006, 08:25 PM

No, the compressed RAR archive is 4.3 GB, the full installation Disc is 5.3 GB.

ReanimationLP

Aug 13, 2006, 11:31 PM

Its 5.05 GB.

You can fit it onto a Single Layer DVD probably by removing all of the excess languages and printer drivers.

Its installing. Will post a screenie when done. :)

slooksterPSV

Aug 13, 2006, 11:35 PM

Sounds illegal - mods, *whistles* oh mods, where are ya? Be careful with what you post, right now I'm reading as you have an illegal version.

SiliconAddict

Aug 13, 2006, 11:53 PM

whatever. It would be like stealing a trailer to a move. Only people with some messed up sense of ethics would get into a tiff over this. This is all about geeking out and since Apple doesn't let the common person download and play with it; geeks will go out of their way to try out something new. There are better things in their world to get one's panties in a bind over then someone pirating Beta software. war, murder, theft that really does effect an individual, disease, the environment, etc, etc, etc. If someone wants to download some buggy piece of software. I say more power to em.

PS- I also occasionally drive 35 in a 30MPH zone. I'm going to hell for that one I'm sure.

SiliconAddict

Aug 13, 2006, 11:54 PM

Sounds illegal - mods, *whistles* oh mods, where are ya? Be careful with what you post, right now I'm reading as you have an illegal version.

Who cares. As long as they don't point people to where they can download it the thread is fine. :rolleyes:

ReanimationLP

Aug 14, 2006, 12:31 AM

Geez, some people are rather anal.

All I'm running it for is to tinker around. I'm not going around and selling it am I? I'm not posting where to get it am I? Who the hell am I hurting.

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/8887/picture3wr7.th.png (http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture3wr7.png)

http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/5777/picture2me1.th.png (http://img154.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture2me1.png)

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/7461/picture4fz3.th.png (http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture4fz3.png)

I'll see how far it gets on my iBook.

Thanks SiliconAddict for sticking up for me. Its a piece of BETA software. Whoopie-freakin-doo. I fully intend to purchase Leopard when its out. If you could buy the Beta, I would.

On another note, it runs rather decent even on this 466MHz G4. Its rather stable. No Front Row. Or I'm not doing something right, its Command + Escape right? Photobooth is there.

Classic got the axe.

ReanimationLP

Aug 14, 2006, 12:47 AM

It does NOT support the G3 at ALL.

"This software is incompatible with your computer."

Sucks for all us iBook G3 owners. :(

Lollypop

Aug 14, 2006, 01:03 AM

It does NOT support the G3 at ALL.

"This software is incompatible with your computer."

Sucks for all us iBook G3 owners. :(

When does it say this exactly? The apple website does say that the G3 is supported?

ReanimationLP

Aug 14, 2006, 01:06 AM

When does it say this exactly? The apple website does say that the G3 is supported?

As soon as it actually gets into the Setup program, at the Welcome to Mac OS X Installer screen.

It works in a G3 if it was installed on a G4 then the hard disk was swapped, well sort of, I've had lots of crashes with apps.

Sequence

Aug 14, 2006, 01:11 AM

I've been using it for about 36 hours very intensively and it only crashed once so far... The current major bugs I've found (with my Macbook) is that the 3.5mm output doesn't work anymore (so no more headphones / ext. speakers) but it is not a problem with me because I use AirTunes for music and AirFoil for everything else. Also, the eject button in the finder doesn't work anymore for CD (but works fine for USB / FW drive, etc). Finally, the Bluetooth icon stays bold black, even if disabled ; the icon shows "enabled" even if "disabled". It's only a cosmetic issue tho.

All the apps I had on Tiger works fine with it so far, exept Candybar and Adium. Everything feels faster too, except Spotlight, which seems to lag a bit.

Time Machine works like a charm, as well as Spaces.

Every features we've seen in the Keynote ARE included exept one: Backdrops and tabbed iChat. We're able to apply Photo Booth effects in iChat tho, and share screens / do Keynote presentations, etc.

Feel free to ask me any question... And yes, I will buy it once it comes out.

Project

Aug 14, 2006, 01:18 AM

Sounds illegal - mods, *whistles* oh mods, where are ya? Be careful with what you post, right now I'm reading as you have an illegal version.

Jesus..... lighten up man

Sequence

Aug 14, 2006, 01:20 AM

Everything is allowed, exept direct linking. As far as I'm concerned, I haven't signed any NDA. If I was Apple, I'd be more concerned with the developers that leaked it.

liketom

Aug 14, 2006, 01:51 AM

If it's not a Public Beta then it's under NDA - and anyone who uses it is breaking the law.

The Dev who dropped this into Bittorrent should be developing for Microsoft not Apple - o and he or she should be sued by Apple to the full extent of the law.

If you have downloaded it - delete it

janey

Aug 14, 2006, 02:19 AM

Everything is allowed...
Actually, for any ADC member free and paid, you can read the following after signing on to connect.apple.com.
Warning: Pre–release software is Apple confidential information. Your unauthorized distribution of pre–release software or disclosure of information relating to pre–release software (including the posting of screen shots) may subject you to both civil and criminal liability and result in immediate termination of your ADC Membership.

By the way, the current big torrent that actually works (not the fake one that made the rounds the first few days, and not the one upped to the tracker that doesn't want it (site owner banned it explicitly for at least a week)) is on a private tracker, and hasn't been taken down in a while, which is sort of surprising. Methinks Apple Legal might be slacking a bit, although the tracker I'm talking about (think pink) definitely wasn't the first to have it up..

iZac

Aug 14, 2006, 03:57 AM

You could just install this via target disk mode, could you not?

My mac pro arrives in a few days, and my mini will be laying around gathering dust ...

netdog

Aug 14, 2006, 04:12 AM

Despite the fact that I am not going to download the 10.5 beta, I wonder how hard Apple will actually crack down on this. Even if they make moves to seemingly stop distribution, they may actually see it as beneficial to have the beta being passed around and discussed. It doesn't sound as if there is anything in it that they wouldn't want Redmond to see, and it isn't as if anyone would choose to use the beta as their primary OS.

To tell the truth, my feeling is that this isn't what Leopard is going to look like in the end, but is more a Tiger+ release, with some apps bundled in that will be part of the Leopard release. I am sure that Apple has some refinements to the UI coming, and a whole mess of features that we won't see until MW07. My guess is that Front Row isn't included because their new media manager is going to be radical, and will almost definitely support an Apple media center. I also expect iChat to integrate VOIP, and for that and a number of other features to hook into the iFon. I was actually wondering yesterday if the iFon, in conjunction with my broadband connection, my allow me to finally get rid of all my landline phones. Could be.

Lollypop

Aug 14, 2006, 04:24 AM

To tell the truth, my feeling is that this isn't what Leopard is going to look like in the end, but is more a Tiger+ release, with some apps bundled in that will be part of the Leopard release. I am sure that Apple has some refinements to the UI coming, and a whole mess of features that we won't see until MW07. My guess is that Front Row isn't included because their new media manager is going to be radical, and will almost definitely support an Apple media center. I also expect iChat to integrate VOIP, and for that and a number of other features to hook into the iFon. I was actually wondering yesterday if the iFon, in conjunction with my broadband connection, my allow me to finally get rid of all my landline phones. Could be.

I completely agree, I dont think apple is going to go hectic about stoping the leaked version, this is nothing more than a Tiger+, with the + being the new API's for developers, if more people get it so what, its not the real leopard, nobody will be able to copy anything and the few newby developers might also get a chance to make a nice app for leopard.

MacsRgr8

Aug 14, 2006, 05:10 AM

IIRC this is the first time Apple really made a real effort to stop the sharing of the Beta of the new OS. Panther Beta's, as Tiger Beta's were pretty easy to find, but this one has actually been deleted from sites, where the uploader would be banned from the site if he tried again.

I am inclined to try it on a "spare" G4, just to find out what it's like. After seeing the keynote I always get excited and want to try it out for myself... and if one accidentally stumbles across the software.... well... one has a hard time not downloading it... :o

Soulstorm

Aug 14, 2006, 05:25 AM

you're not a geek i guess
Depends on what you mean by the word "geek".

I always use the latest software, but I like to play it safe, so I won't use anything that important (such as an OS or a developer tool) that is in beta stage.

MacsRgr8

Aug 14, 2006, 07:10 AM

Depends on what you mean by the word "geek".

A geek would have a partition ready made for the Loepard preview DVD right after Steve's keynote speech.
A real geek has a spare Mac ready for trying out the beta.
:D

Sky Blue

Aug 14, 2006, 08:22 AM

Feel free to ask me any question... And yes, I will buy it once it comes out.

What version is Safari? It seems like it didn't really get much of an upgrade?

iZac

Aug 14, 2006, 09:39 AM

Thanks SiliconAddict for sticking up for me. Its a piece of BETA software. Whoopie-freakin-doo. I fully intend to purchase Leopard when its out. If you could buy the Beta, I would.

I believe that before Apple shipped 10.0 you could buy the Beta and they would mail you a copy. subsequently, when these people bought the final shipping OS, they got a big discount / rebate.

Warbrain

Aug 14, 2006, 09:56 AM

I would go searching and download it, but I don't even want to try. I'm fine with waiting for the OS to be released.

However, if it doesn't support G3s, then I don't know if it'll be worth it for me to buy it. My iMac would be sitting back on Panther without it.

erikistired

Aug 14, 2006, 09:58 AM

A geek would have a partition ready made for the Loepard preview DVD right after Steve's keynote speech.
A real geek has a spare Mac ready for trying out the beta.
:D

geek != pirate. well maybe these days it does. a real geek would be figuring out a way to get into the beta program to get that shiny beta dvd, not a pirated dmg file.