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hvfsl

Mar 20, 2003, 04:27 AM

The US fired some missiles at the leadership of Iraq today, but was Sadam among them? There is evidence to say he might be.

News reporters were not allowed to see the damage, maybe becuase they would see his body.

The broadcast by Sadam today did not look like him, his body language etc was different, he also had a different hair cut from the broadcast I saw from Sadam on Wednesday.

iWantAMac

Mar 20, 2003, 04:39 AM

Originally posted by hvfsl
The US fired some missiles at the leadership of Iraq today, but was Sadam among them?
I doubt it.

groovebuster

Mar 20, 2003, 05:33 AM

You don't think that he is just sitting in one of his palaces like a duck, when he knows that an attack is probable any minute, do you?

Probably it wasn't him on TV, but I bet he left Baghdad hours before and was on the way to a secret and safe place nobody knows besides in his inner circle. They'll have a hard time to get him anyway... They also didn't get Osama so far and maybe never will...

groovebuster

Mr. Anderson

Mar 20, 2003, 06:54 AM

They really won't know for sure for a while. Even though he came on afterwards, CIA intel thinks there's a chance he might have been hit and we all saw a double.

In their first urgent review, U.S. analysts were said to be uncertain whether the man on the screen was in fact Hussein, or was speaking live. One official said the case against the broadcast's authenticity included that Hussein has several body doubles and his glasses looked nothing like the ones he normally wears. Though Hussein mentioned yesterday's date in the broadcast, that corresponded to Bush's ultimatum for war and could have been recorded. He said nothing specific about the bomb and missile strike. On the other hand, an official said, "the rhetoric is not unlike rhetoric he has used in other speeches."

U.S. officials cautioned that it would be some time before intelligence could assess with certainty what the U.S. strike had hit, and who had been there. But it was already clear, as it never had been entirely in 1991, that the man in the White House intended to find the Iraqi president and kill him.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A58177-2003Mar20.html

Only time will tell.

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iWantAMac

Mar 20, 2003, 07:43 AM

I'm watching TV at the moment... All netwroks are now saying that he is believed to be alive.

groov'

Mar 20, 2003, 10:34 AM

it/he was probably no robot - he wore specs as he read his comment from paper (wasn't wearing them never before).

Dressing up a robot with specs would be the ultimate disguise and prove the intelligence of the Iraqui leadership.

wdlove

Mar 20, 2003, 11:07 AM

I'm sure thet he pre-tapped some messages, they can do alot with editing. Then there is a matter of his body doubles. If true it would be quit a moral victory. Confirmation would be with dental records and DNA!

Mr. Anderson

Mar 20, 2003, 11:24 AM

confirmation will be available eventually, and it would truly be an amazing thing to have happened so soon, openning shot of the war. Almost to much to ask for.

I want to know more about the people helping us inside Iraq - but that's not something we'll probably ever know. ;)

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jelloshotsrule

Mar 20, 2003, 11:26 AM

Originally posted by wdlove
I'm sure thet he pre-tapped some messages, they can do alot with editing.

like what? just curious what you think they did with the editing in this type of a situation.....

Mr. Anderson

Mar 20, 2003, 11:30 AM

Originally posted by jelloshotsrule
like what? just curious what you think they did with the editing in this type of a situation.....

Well, if you think about it, they could have planned for it. So there might be dozens of tapes, all done before the war started, laying out speaches for any occassion to make it seem like he's still around. It'd be a smart move in this case.

For all we know he's in the Iraqi Mission to the US on P Street in DC....;)

I'll have to go by there and take a pic or two and post it.

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jelloshotsrule

Mar 20, 2003, 11:46 AM

yeah, but what does editing have to do with that is my point....

jefhatfield

Mar 20, 2003, 01:54 PM

i recognized the field marshall type insignia on the speaker's uniform, but it did not look like saddam hussein to me

the moustache seemed too light and the shape of the head looked different...my wife laughed and thought that was him for sure...no doubt

the body language was quite strange

peter jennings/abc just mentioned that the cia believes it to be the leader and that the "issue has been put to bed for now"

Mr. Anderson

Mar 20, 2003, 04:32 PM

Originally posted by jelloshotsrule
yeah, but what does editing have to do with that is my point....

Maybe all the video was done on a blue/green screen, so they can put new, uptodate info in the background so it looks more timely?

That would suck....

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jelloshotsrule

Mar 20, 2003, 04:34 PM

Originally posted by dukestreet
Maybe all the video was done on a blue/green screen, so they can put new, uptodate info in the background so it looks more timely?

That would suck....

and they recorded it for everyday ever?

i think it's more likely it was recorded prior to the strikes. or that he is in fact alive

the blue/green screen thing is pushing it beyond what i could believe. though i'm assuming you said it somewhat jokingly....

Mr. Anderson

Mar 20, 2003, 04:37 PM

Originally posted by jelloshotsrule
the blue/green screen thing is pushing it beyond what i could believe. though i'm assuming you said it somewhat jokingly....

yeah, forgot the 'smilies'

but it made me stop for a second. Given the right talent and equipment, it could be done. That would be scary.

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wdlove

Mar 20, 2003, 04:43 PM

The "Shock and Awe Phase" has been put on hold. According to CNN the Iraqi leadership is in question. Some in the Iraqi military may at the present be working on plans to overthrow the current government.

Dont Hurt Me

Mar 20, 2003, 05:03 PM

Originally posted by wdlove
The "Shock and Awe Phase" has been put on hold. According to CNN the Iraqi leadership is in question. Some in the Iraqi military may at the present be working on plans to overthrow the current government. This would be terrific, as long as we can account for Mr Evil Saddam, Meanwhile Chiroc is lifting his eyebrows and saying all those deals we made with the killer Saddam are now down the tubes. I sure hope we dont let this guy take over the negotiations of a post Saddam Iraq.

wdlove

Mar 20, 2003, 05:19 PM

Originally posted by Dont Hurt Me
This would be terrific, as long as we can account for Mr Evil Saddam, Meanwhile Chiroc is lifting his eyebrows and saying all those deals we made with the killer Saddam are now down the tubes. I sure hope we dont let this guy take over the negotiations of a post Saddam Iraq.

I also would not want to see France get the fruits of war. Hope the GW will remember how France, Germany, & Russia treated us. To the victor goes the spoils.

jelloshotsrule

Mar 20, 2003, 05:25 PM

Originally posted by wdlove
To the victor goes the spoils.

what?? i thought this was "for the iraqi people"? to liberate them?

your true reasonings, though hopefully not our country's (though i have my doubts), seem to be coming out.

NavyIntel007

Mar 20, 2003, 05:27 PM

Originally posted by groov'
it/he was probably no robot - he wore specs as he read his comment from paper (wasn't wearing them never before).

Dressing up a robot with specs would be the ultimate disguise and prove the intelligence of the Iraqui leadership.

Hey it's possible. I mean, that's what the Republicans did with Dick Cheney right?

NavyIntel007

Mar 20, 2003, 05:28 PM

spony

Mar 20, 2003, 05:43 PM

I also would not want to see France get the fruits of war. Hope the GW will remember how France, Germany, & Russia treated us. To the victor goes the spoils.

So war, exploitation and death is your thing? This isn't one of your computer games. "fruits of war", "preventive warfare", "axis of evil". No wait this is my favorite "now is the time to move in". Are you brainwashed or am i paranoid?

CNN "The ware on iraq" splash sceen. It's almost like watching NFL, what's the differance?

The means doesn't justify the method. Your insecurity cannot be repaired by further instability.

what will you do without allies?

bennetsaysargh

Mar 20, 2003, 05:54 PM

if he is dead, i am hapy because i am heavily anti-war. but what would happen is the US will just take the oil, put up a mcdonald's, and make a wal-mart. the us is only there for oil.
i am sorry if this may be a little out of line, but his seemed like the place to put it.

Dont Hurt Me

Mar 20, 2003, 06:01 PM

Originally posted by bennetsaysargh
if he is dead, i am hapy because i am heavily anti-war. but what would happen is the US will just take the oil, put up a mcdonald's, and make a wal-mart. the us is only there for oil.
i am sorry if this may be a little out of line, but his seemed like the place to put it. The president of your United States has allready gone on public tv and stated the oil is the Iraqi's peoples and not Saddams. He has said this several times and also stated thats its wealth was for the Iraqi people. why do you choose to ignore that.

NavyIntel007

Mar 20, 2003, 06:11 PM

Actually the Oil will be used partly to fund the development of the New Iraq. Now as far as mcdonalds and walmarts, as far as I know, they're all over Kuwait...

Besides what's wrong with Walmart?

spony

Mar 20, 2003, 06:14 PM

The president of your United States has allready gone on public tv and stated the oil is the Iraqi's peoples and not Saddams. He has said this several times and also stated thats its wealth was for the Iraqi people. why do you choose to ignore that.

At what price will the oil sold to the US? How high will the US stockmarket clime after securing the second largest oil reserve in the world and being able to distribute it as it pleases at a price it sets. "to the victor goes the spoils" as someone just said, right?

But wait, ofcourse you're right:

The president of your United States has allready gone on public tv and stated the oil is the Iraqi's peoples and not Saddams.

There's nothing in the real world, called spin. Sure this is ofcourse for the greater bennifit of the iraqi people. 12 years is aparently some sort of magic number in which sanctions don't work anymore. Or wait, that's right it's because of a link to Al Qaida. But I just can't seem to remember the link, funny.

How conveniate the timing of this war is.

jelloshotsrule

Mar 20, 2003, 06:19 PM

Dont Hurt Me

Mar 20, 2003, 06:26 PM

Spoony asks questions as if someone can see into the future, dont ignore Saddam never lived up to the cease fire or the 17 resolutions, dont spin what we dont know is going to happen in the future. Be glad another murderer will be brought to justice. Be Glad the wealth of the Iraqi country will be given to the Iraqi people instead of buying and making chemical/nuclear/bio weapons or building another palace for Saddam. If you hate George bush because he is a republican then say it. If you Hate America as we free another nation then say so. But stop saying this wont be good for the Iraqi people or us because that is a lie.

spony

Mar 20, 2003, 06:48 PM

funny the UN did an analysis of what a war on iraq might cost a year or two ago. The paper came to the conclussion that 400000 or so refugees would flee iraq to naboring contries and possibly thousands might die under such an attack. Will this happen? I'm not saying it will, I'm just saying this is what educated analysist guessed. So bush says the war will be over in 4 days. Maybe it will, maybe it'll be months of bloody warefare in bagdad, I don't know. You say I ask questions, I act as if I have hindsight. What makes you so sure everything will go without a qaurm? What makes you so sure this won't inflame the mideast? What makes you sure radical islamists won't be attacking the US again in 10 years because now the US not only has bases in saudi arabia but also Iraq, not to mention afghanistan? What makes you think this is security? What makes you think a sound foreign policy is based on ignoring the world, UN, and even 50 years worth of allied partnership? What gives you this hindsight?

Yeah I ask questions, what do you do?

wdlove

Mar 20, 2003, 08:22 PM

Originally posted by jelloshotsrule
what?? i thought this was "for the iraqi people"? to liberate them?

your true reasonings, though hopefully not our country's (though i have my doubts), seem to be coming out.

Was referring to not allowing France to come in once the war is over and dictate any terms. They fought us all the way, therefore they have no say. Iraq belongs to the Iraqi people. Some of the oil proceeds should to to America to repay us for their liberation. The rebuilding will be a long term proposition.

bennetsaysargh

Mar 21, 2003, 02:50 PM

sorry.
im just pissed that we are now at war.

Stelliform

Mar 21, 2003, 03:20 PM

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Moxiemike

Mar 21, 2003, 03:23 PM

all i can say is "SHOCK AND AWE!"

what a horrid name

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hvfsl

Mar 21, 2003, 03:23 PM

Bush said the war COULD be over in 4 days, he was making the point that it is imposible to exactly know.

Dont Hurt Me

Mar 21, 2003, 03:26 PM

i have never heard him say 4 days. And in fact he is careful not to make this kind of statement.

bennetsaysargh

Mar 21, 2003, 03:38 PM

im paying close attention to bush, and he never said anything about 4 days at all

redAPPLE

Mar 21, 2003, 04:17 PM

hvfsl

Mar 21, 2003, 04:41 PM

Originally posted by bennetsaysargh
im paying close attention to bush, and he never said anything about 4 days at all

Well someone said it, maybe it was Tony Blair.

bennetsaysargh

Mar 21, 2003, 04:43 PM

ok just checking this cold isn't getting to my head

wdlove

Mar 21, 2003, 04:44 PM

"Shock and Awe" is meant to be scary, the purpose is to put fear in the Iraqi leadership & military. The timing now depends on how soon a person that has the legal authority will indeed surrender!

jefhatfield

Mar 21, 2003, 09:20 PM

Originally posted by Dont Hurt Me
The president of your United States has allready gone on public tv and stated the oil is the Iraqi's peoples and not Saddams. He has said this several times and also stated thats its wealth was for the Iraqi people. why do you choose to ignore that.

halliburton, in connection with dick cheney, america's current vice president, stands to be named as a contractor, as it already has, and you make a statement like you just did

what is this world coming to?

btw...nixon had nothing, i mean nothing to do with watergate, and bill clinton did not have sex, with that woman, monica lewinsky

oh, and santa claus, he really does, truly, exist:p

AmbitiousLemon

Mar 21, 2003, 10:34 PM

Just a word of warning about these kind of threads. The moderators have been shutting down lots of threads and banning lots of members lately for offensive behavior towards other members.

This thread hasn't degraded into such pettiness, and I just wanted to remind all of you to be kind to one another no matter what your views are.

Stelliform

Mar 21, 2003, 11:00 PM

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AmbitiousLemon

Mar 21, 2003, 11:04 PM

hopefully with the worst of the 'rable rousers" banned we can look forward to many more civil discussions.

kylos

Mar 21, 2003, 11:11 PM

STRONG BAD!!!

Sorry to interrupt the conversation, but, ...

I love your 'tar MoxieMike!:D

jefhatfield

Mar 22, 2003, 01:52 PM

Originally posted by Dont Hurt Me
i have never heard him say 4 days. And in fact he is careful not to make this kind of statement.

basra (sp) fell and there have been more surrenders than expected

nbc news has reported that there are secret negotiations for the surrender of the elite republican guard

it is indeed truly possible that this could be another 100 hour ground war

as extremely successful as this was has been up to now, perhpaps with greater precision than the first gulf war, i still do not agree with going into iraq without full un support

bush sr had a consensus and i wish his son would have worked harder for it...with saudi arabia and turkey and others

anyway, this war is probably set to be over soon, unless there are some diehards on the iraqi side who just want to extend it when the us troops arrive in baghdad